The History of Paganism in Finland 🇫🇮

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  • Опубліковано 27 вер 2024

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  • @TheWisdomOfOdin
    @TheWisdomOfOdin  10 місяців тому +8

    Want more information on Paganism as it survives in Finland today? Check out my video filmed with Noiduin! 🇫🇮
    ua-cam.com/video/ibEWt_znpC8/v-deo.htmlsi=GWjh8MJL7M_nHE3y

  • @betmo
    @betmo 10 місяців тому +35

    paganism makes so much sense...whichever incarnation one believes in...it's about connection...to place, people, ancestors, nature...it's what the modern world needs but doesn't have...connection...thank you for connecting with us and connecting us all with each other ❤

    • @kittycatwithinternetaccess2356
      @kittycatwithinternetaccess2356 4 місяці тому +1

      christ is the onlu truth

    • @memewhale1676
      @memewhale1676 4 місяці тому

      how come​@@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356

    • @CarlVonFinland-u5t
      @CarlVonFinland-u5t 2 місяці тому

      The problem with paganism is that there is no coherent general organization, meaning the religion can never engage large groups of people. People like organized religions, and most of all ONE GOD!

    • @spoonysmalls
      @spoonysmalls 25 днів тому +1

      ​@@CarlVonFinland-u5ti think the lack of an organzation telling us how and why to commune with the gods is an attraction

    • @CarlVonFinland-u5t
      @CarlVonFinland-u5t 24 дні тому

      @@spoonysmalls Definitely, nut it's not enough to engage large crowds

  • @GramaSagefeather
    @GramaSagefeather Місяць тому +4

    This was so well researched and beautifully filmed. The museum artifacts are wonderful. The yellow leaves in the Forrest behind you are just gorgeous. Thank you Jacob❤

    • @TheWisdomOfOdin
      @TheWisdomOfOdin  Місяць тому

      Thank you for your kind words 🙏

    • @fuelflownormal
      @fuelflownormal 11 днів тому

      I had to listen to the beginning several times because I couldn’t help but focus on the trees and the beautiful fall leaves.

  • @xEloiseKerryx
    @xEloiseKerryx 10 місяців тому +12

    LOVING these videos! I’m so passionate about Finland and paganism and learning about both at the same time has been healing to my soul , keep up the great work xxxx

    • @TheWisdomOfOdin
      @TheWisdomOfOdin  10 місяців тому +1

      Glad you are enjoying my Finnish videos!

  • @informationstream6513
    @informationstream6513 Місяць тому +2

    Finnish stone age actually has some of the largest cemeteries and earliest naturalistic statues of that age. this video didn't mention the findings of finnish moose head statues from around 6000BC and probably one of the most important archeological site in any part of the world from that time: Peurasaaren kalmisto/Yuzhny Oleny cemetery which is still one of the largest mesolithic cemeteries if not the largest in the world with massive amounts of artifacts and stuff. I'd say that Mesolithic Finnish/Karelian stone age is the most interesting part since the neighboring world of that time didn't have as much comparable stuff... especially since Finnish soil that is more acidic than almost any other corrodes almost everything away.

  • @alpovratia6488
    @alpovratia6488 Місяць тому +1

    Thanks, J.T. for your endeavours and nice “exposé” with terrific graphics on early Finnish paganism! With so much evidence lost (or even covered up?), it’s difficult to reconstruct or “model” historical and geographical developments. It’s understandable that Swedish and Anglo-Saxon investigators emphasize “Scandinavian” connexions. However, historically speaking these seem to be from a later period overlaying earlier Mesolithic populations, cultures and interactions in the region, followed by Sami immigrations, and then Gothic immigrations to Sweden and Finnic immigrations to Finland. Roman historian Tacitus attests the existence of Sami and Proto-Norse names in (southern) Sweden by 98 CE. According to some historical reconstructions Finland and 2/3 of Sweden were still populated as late as 800 CE predominantly by Finno-Ugrians (Sami and Finns) - not Swedes (Sveas and Goths). Moreover, an adjoining expanse of East Baltic Finnic populations (Finns, Estonians, Karelians, Livs, Veps, etc., etc) spread over northwest European Russia. I mention only in passing further Volga-Finnic (Mari etc) and Perm-Finnic (Komi etc) ethnic regions. Hopefully western investigators and scholars will in future make better use of Finnish and Russian sources and expertise! The Finnish Literature Society in Helsinki houses a large archives and library including folklore and ethnographic materials, incidentally including Elias Lönnrot’s collection of “Ancient incantation poems of the Finnish people”.

    • @alpovratia6488
      @alpovratia6488 Місяць тому +1

      Wikipedia’s fresh article on ”Finnish mythology” (18 July 2024) begins by stating: “Finnish mythology commonly refers to the folklore of Finnish paganism, of which a modern revival is practiced by a small percentage of the Finnish people. It has many shared features with Estonian and other Finnic mythologies, but also with neighbouring Baltic, Slavic and, to a lesser extent, Norse mythologies.” // The above statement on closer relations with other Finnic mythologies and even eastern Baltic ones than with Norse ones is in line with my understanding and lends further credence to my note above. Although not primarily a Finno-Ugrist, years ago I worked at the Karelian Language Archives in Helsinki and also translated Karelian folkore, myths, spells, etc. to English. I’ve lived over 15 years in the States, over 10 years in Sweden, as well as in other countries. I’ve travelled extensively in the E Baltic states and have good friends there as well as in neighboring Russia. // Is it mere coincidence that In my experience the mentality of Finns (esp. in the countryside) resembles Latvians’ and northern Russians’ mentality more closely than that of more distant Scandinavians? Finns are more in tune with nature. This is an observation and not meant to belittle in any way our good western neighbors.

  • @richardcooper3254
    @richardcooper3254 10 місяців тому +5

    Thank you for introducing me to paganism i never thought i would have so much in common with paganism i can't get enough of it really appreciate your time and effort you put into your videos

  • @alabaster2163
    @alabaster2163 10 місяців тому +1

    I have been devouring everything I can find about this very topic!! Perfect timing!! Thank you!!

  • @higgaroc
    @higgaroc 8 місяців тому +8

    Really great, thank you! I was in Finland for one month last summer at an artist residency, and I came upon information about the väki. I started to paint portraits of them, and now that I’m back in the US, I continue to explore Finnish paganism and other types of pre-Abrahamic religions and spiritual practices in my artwork. Finland completely changed the trajectory of my work, and I am so grateful!

  • @erikhoff5010
    @erikhoff5010 10 місяців тому +1

    Very interesting and informative. Thanks for your efforts and hard work. Skal

  • @kev1734
    @kev1734 10 місяців тому +2

    Another awesome video! Great work on this one. So much information along with great footage from the museum and of course the beautiful forests and lakes. Thanks jacob!!

  • @jbbburg8633
    @jbbburg8633 10 місяців тому +1

    Very informative learned a ton Thank you sir.

  • @JPK-o5j
    @JPK-o5j 10 місяців тому +6

    also, i would love to learn more about Celtic paganism from you in the future, enjoy

  • @SK-nw4ig
    @SK-nw4ig 9 місяців тому +1

    Lalli is still today very known and LIKED character in Finland. He is seen as one of the greatest finnish characters, real or fictional, and represents finnish identity against foreign powers. And it is a male name, I know one Lalli.

  • @michaelmichelsson
    @michaelmichelsson 10 місяців тому +3

    Really great stories from Finnish mythology, you know I would be very happy if you ever took it upon yourself to tell about Finnish mythology that is written in Icelandic sagas, there are a lot of them and it's a wonder they aren't talked about much in Finland, I don't know why, but i would like you to tell them, there are some pretty wild stories and it has been thought that maybe some of them are real events in Finland's ancient history.
    this subject has been studied very little in Finland, I only found one narrow university study at the University of Oulu, and even in that one it was not possible to say whether the stories have factual truth or not.
    and the Icelandic sagas are much older than the Kalevala

    • @morghe321
      @morghe321 6 місяців тому +1

      Agree. The stories in the Islandic sagas are very unferrated when it comes to researching ancient Finland. I understand that it is difficult to know what is fictious and what is based on real events, but I find it very hard to believe it's all fiction.

  • @tychestarot1035
    @tychestarot1035 10 місяців тому

    Great video! Didn't know too much about the Finns, so I'm enjoying the little series that you are doing on them :)

  • @ladyann5778
    @ladyann5778 10 місяців тому +1

    Love to hear more

  • @Aethuviel
    @Aethuviel 10 місяців тому +6

    I absolutely hate it when Christian crusader-larpers yell at you "You follow your ancestors? YOUR ANCESTORS CONVERTED!!!" as if they sat down peacefully over a cup of tea, had a religious discussion, and the native pagans said "Oh, this Jesus thing makes a lot more sense. Our old beliefs are stupid. We're Christian now! Hallelujah!" Rather than what it actually was, which was hundreds of years of warfare, kidnapping, torture and murder, oppression and banning of all traditional practices.
    I tend to ask them, "So, Christianity is not doing too well in the west today. Some westerners are converting to Islam, which is spreading rapidly. If your children or grandchildren convert, and your country in the future becomes Islamic, would you say well 'duh, Islam must be right, because they converted everyone'? Of course not" That tends to shut them up.

    • @MrChristianDT
      @MrChristianDT 10 місяців тому +1

      I have an easier explanation, being from the US. So far, all the ancestors I know of include two different tribes of Native American, a little bit of black, Irish, English, Welsh, Dutch, German, French, Norwegian & Jewish. I think my ancestors flip-flopped on what they believed enough over the last 1000 years to justify it as a family tradition.

  • @au9parsec
    @au9parsec 10 місяців тому +7

    I am from the United States, and when studying my family history, I eventually discovered that I did have ancestors from Finland who came to the United States during the 17th century, which makes me interested in studying Finnish mythology far more so even though the amount of Finnish DNA I have is probably very insignificant.

    • @carisballing
      @carisballing 10 місяців тому +1

      Wow, so they came to New Sweden by the Delaware River? Interesting that the records go back to there.

    • @au9parsec
      @au9parsec 10 місяців тому

      @@carisballing yes I discovered that I have ancestors from both Sweden and Finland who came to New Sweden by the Delaware river.

  • @adalbertoruiz7651
    @adalbertoruiz7651 10 місяців тому +7

    I can't help but notice how nosy Christians were (and sometimes still are). Everywhere they touched there are stories of torture, killing and suppression of local traditions, whether it's with the northern people; in India (Goa); Christian groups with different beliefs like Waldenses, Albigenses and Cathars; Free thinkers like Giordano Bruno; Native people from South, Central and North America; Burning of books of French Spiritism. And those are just the ones I heard naturally while reading about these subjects and people, I can imagine it also happened in Asia and Africa. And even today we hear of atrocities covered by the church, like child abuse. With all the evidences in so many different situations, still some people want to defend the innocence and authority of such institutions (specially the Catholic Church). On the other side, pagans aren't worried about defending institutions and covering atrocities, they just want to live and practice spirituality in harmony with nature, animals, and other people - while acknowledging the right and validity of other religious practices. It's a very contrasting difference, one with dogmatism and intolerance, the other with flexibility and acceptance, yet people still insist in labeling the latter as "evil". Thank you for your work!

    • @adalbertoruiz7651
      @adalbertoruiz7651 10 місяців тому +3

      @@oaktaylor7400 would gladly do if the video made any reference to Islam. Just because they also have done horrible things, it doesn't make Christianity any better.

    • @kev1734
      @kev1734 10 місяців тому

      Well said!

  • @PaganRyan29
    @PaganRyan29 10 місяців тому

    inspirational videos you make

  • @kevinspaganjourney2593
    @kevinspaganjourney2593 10 місяців тому

    Very interesting. I've always been interested in the religious beliefs of ancient hominid so the section about the "cave paintings" was fascinating

  • @fineza1607
    @fineza1607 Місяць тому +2

    The lack of roman influence is also seen in the modern Finnish youth as you are more likely to see a rising sun or a church boat graffiti than a graffiti phallus

  • @byronbreese3454
    @byronbreese3454 10 місяців тому +3

    Love your work. If I may though, it is "shaMAHNic" not "shaMINic." Like I said, love your work, and seeing an enthusiastic young man who's decolonizing his mind from Christianity, doing the work needed for his generation, is good. Pronunciation that isn't so starkly idiosyncratic lends more credibility to your hard work. Sincerely, an elder colleague on the path.

  • @finnishculturalchannel
    @finnishculturalchannel 10 місяців тому

    There was this documentary on TV today, which had something on that vulva symbolism: "Karl Skartveit Fremmed blod". This one is about bear worshiping and tools: "Joseph Campbell - Cave Bears and the Birth of Mythology" And here's about use of figurines: "Downfall of the Ket People". Spiritual usage of tools: "Karelian Magic - 1920".

  • @Johanna-op5jn
    @Johanna-op5jn 10 місяців тому +1

    For those understanding finnish, i would recommend Kaari Utrio books. Idk if they are translated in other languages or not

  • @annelirantala8689
    @annelirantala8689 7 місяців тому

    Here in Finland Kemi area we had have giants about 5500years ago. Nothests giantchurch is in Keminmaa. And we have several giantstonerings caled Jatulintarha.

  • @MikhailTravels
    @MikhailTravels 10 місяців тому

    Привет 🙋🏼‍♂️ ☕️ Превосходное интересное видео 📹👍🏻✅️🔝🙂

  • @DJTheMetalheadMercenary
    @DJTheMetalheadMercenary 10 місяців тому +1

    Mahtava! Good stuff.

  • @joeysparks336
    @joeysparks336 7 місяців тому

    We love going to both Kentucky and Ohio but Michigan has a good one too! We’re in Indiana

  • @Johanna-op5jn
    @Johanna-op5jn 10 місяців тому +2

    Ah yes, the power of vulva 😅 The weird thing is in old age, they were talking about "vitun väki". Straight translation would be "people of c*nt" or "people with c*nt". As its nowadays very much swear word, i cant put my mind, wether it was seen "good" or "bad" magic. Maybe it wasnt meant bad at the time, sence the word meanings are changing trough the history.

    • @companyjoe
      @companyjoe 2 місяці тому

      I've never heard that expression but the word "väki" originally meant "power". That gives an interesting meaning to "vitun väki".

  • @polhokustaa4989
    @polhokustaa4989 10 місяців тому +1

    Well the time of Sweden's control of Finland is exaggerated for political reasons. The dating begins from unrealiable source and even that considers just a small fraction of the area in the south-west. It proceeded in stages but still some of Finnish areas were actually never under the Swedish rule. It's often told in a way that entire Finland just went under Swedish rule over night :)

  • @MrChristianDT
    @MrChristianDT 10 місяців тому +1

    That kind of pagan superstition, like the women scaring bears away by flashing them, is kind of a funny thing in some cultures. There was a similar one amongst east coast Algonquian speaking peoples in the US- women flashing scared away storms, because the winds had made an agreement with the Great Spirit to not mate with human women, so the correct thing to do when they see a vagina is turn the other way. Lol

    • @silkenaria
      @silkenaria 10 місяців тому

      ❤ this comment. That's some serious feminine power, shooing away storms and bears.

  • @Josephmalenab
    @Josephmalenab 3 місяці тому

    When did the uralic people's come to Finland

    • @duhni4551
      @duhni4551 Місяць тому +1

      About 4-5 thousand years ago. Finland has been inhabited 11-12 thousand years.

  • @bullvinetheband7260
    @bullvinetheband7260 7 місяців тому

    😂when I was ill I thought the runes of the kalavala would heal me I think it did something 😂 if you want to laugh think of odin and vandermonten having a rap battle

  • @nightangel486
    @nightangel486 10 місяців тому

    All of the best fights in these northern tales happen on frozen lakes 😂

  • @noahtylerpritchett2682
    @noahtylerpritchett2682 10 місяців тому

    3:20 doesn't even reference Loki's net

  • @blackstonewielder19
    @blackstonewielder19 10 місяців тому

    Modern-day Finns (along with Estonians) are the people genetically the most like the original Mesolithic European hunter-gatherers, but most Finnish men descend from Chinese migrants who introduced pottery to Northern Europe (their genetic marker is called 'haplogroup N1'). Finns have a bit of East Asian admixture because of this, but it seems the Chinese migrants were assimilated into the local hunter-gatherers.

    • @Aethuviel
      @Aethuviel 10 місяців тому

      The original haplogroup of Europe was "I", which is the strongest today in Sweden. As you said, Finns are haplogroup N, which came in just a few thousand years ago from the east.

    • @blackstonewielder19
      @blackstonewielder19 10 місяців тому

      @@Aethuviel Indeed, though there's a mystery around the most common variety of I among Germanic peoples (and Finns): I1, because it was very rare in the Stone Age and only became common after R1 moved into Scandinavia. Most Mesolithic Europeans carried I2 instead.

  • @TingTingalingy
    @TingTingalingy 10 місяців тому

    Who dat black man in your thumbnail?

  • @Aethuviel
    @Aethuviel 10 місяців тому

    Finland was literally a part of Sweden - not a colony, not "that other place", but just Sweden! - for all those centuries you mentioned. :)

  • @bht96
    @bht96 10 місяців тому

    This is unrelated. I’ve come across A LOT of negative stuff about you. But, I found them to be incredibly unfair to you. Ocean Keltoi and his little group are the ones. But, I’ve found your videos FAR more helpful to me than Ocean’s WOKE cabal. So, for anybody that comes across that BS, don’t let them dissuade you from Jacob.

    • @TheWisdomOfOdin
      @TheWisdomOfOdin  10 місяців тому

      My only crime is keeping politics out of my content, and I will always keep it that way 👍 Glad you enjoy the videos!

  • @alisonwilliams-bailey3561
    @alisonwilliams-bailey3561 10 місяців тому +12

    The Sami have the Bear as the core of the esoteric ritual in ancestry. So the relation between the Finns and Sami has been acknowledged. I did MA and Mphil amongst Sami in Finland, Norway, Sweden and Russia.

    • @TheWisdomOfOdin
      @TheWisdomOfOdin  10 місяців тому +7

      I was originally going to have a section in the video about the Sami, however my information at the moment is too little to pay the proper amount of respects to the Sami and their beliefs. I hope one day to learn more 🙏 But yes the Finnish and Sami appear to have many markers of spiritually commonalities.

    • @alisonwilliams-bailey3561
      @alisonwilliams-bailey3561 10 місяців тому +1

      @@TheWisdomOfOdin My son is quarter Sami and I love it there. Super to hear more re the Finns as spent almost half my research time there. 😊

    • @MrChristianDT
      @MrChristianDT 10 місяців тому

      Yeah, I would also point a bit more to the remaining pagan peoples in places like Estonia & the parts of Russia immediately adjacent to Finland.

  • @Aethuviel
    @Aethuviel 10 місяців тому +2

    Have you seen/heard of the book "Holy Europe" or "Pyhä Eurooppa" by Aki Cederberg? I really want to get hold of the English translation, which is supposed to be finished, but I can't find it yet. Aki is a Finnish pagan who first delved into eastern spirituality before "coming home", as it were, and this book is a work on the native spiritualities/religions of Europe.

  • @mathias2410
    @mathias2410 День тому

    Great work! Very interesting to learn about paganism me being from the Åland Islands. The calm I feel walking into the rare old forests we have left here is fantastic. The tree farms people think are forests make me sad. I implore eveyone in the nordic countries to visit the old nature reserves and feel the energy old forests possess. Instead of the dikes and trenches of the tree farms you find a natural order that water and wind have created.

  • @robcreel4257
    @robcreel4257 10 місяців тому +1

    Interesting what was important to the Pagan Finns as opposed to the Romans.

  • @joeysparks336
    @joeysparks336 7 місяців тому

    I’m %1 Finish!lol😂

  • @ilovebacon304
    @ilovebacon304 10 місяців тому +1

    Keep up the good work Jacob! 👍🏻

  • @SidneyOcean
    @SidneyOcean 3 місяці тому

    I have only learned in the last couple years how much Finnish heritage I have and I am so excited to take in all the information you have gathered! Thank you so much!

  • @JPK-o5j
    @JPK-o5j 10 місяців тому +8

    hi Jacob, i have chosen which pagan to convert to, its CELTIC so that's what i chosen so thank you and thank Dagda that you have a good day

    • @badchadb33
      @badchadb33 10 місяців тому +1

      I've felt a real personal connection to Celtic as well and to Lugh! I do have Welsh and Celtic ancestry.

    • @Aethuviel
      @Aethuviel 10 місяців тому +1

      You don't convert to any type of paganism, you just return to your ancestral roots.

    • @JPK-o5j
      @JPK-o5j 10 місяців тому

      i am Canadian but i have Spanish and Dutch background

    • @JPK-o5j
      @JPK-o5j 10 місяців тому

      i am Canadian but actually have Spanish and Dutch ancestry but i do love to be in a paganistic religion

  • @riverside6836
    @riverside6836 10 місяців тому

    So well made. Kippis!!

  • @brainspatula
    @brainspatula 10 місяців тому

    STRAIGHT OUTTA OULU

  • @newandoldtech5634
    @newandoldtech5634 8 місяців тому

    Have you done a video on Bock-saga?

    • @TheWisdomOfOdin
      @TheWisdomOfOdin  8 місяців тому +1

      Ah yes, here it is.
      "Bock-saga is made up bullshit" 👍

  • @danielgraham-scott3994
    @danielgraham-scott3994 10 місяців тому +1

    The 'vulv' stones.. in the case the two metal items bellow them look very simular to 15th century 'fire strikes'. The stones would fit nicely in the hand, and the groove.. Notice different depths.. may have been made by the repeated strike from the fire strike iron (seen below the stones) to set sparks to light fires.. would be good to know if these items were found together.

    • @MrChristianDT
      @MrChristianDT 10 місяців тому

      Archeologists can make mistakes, so who knows. I know they regularly regarded a common Eastern Woodlands petroglyph as a vagina that was actually the sign for a door into the spirit world & small, perfectly spherical stones were regarded as mortar & pestle aids. Turns out they are literally just marbles- like the children's game.

  • @kinder4468
    @kinder4468 10 місяців тому

    I'm from Poland but my ancestors came from Norway so I'm a viking

  • @BorderGuardJaegerFinlandia
    @BorderGuardJaegerFinlandia 6 місяців тому

    We Finns are more Neanderthal than the the rest of Europe. Thats why we are so different 🇫🇮🫣🙏

  • @LandofNodnuts
    @LandofNodnuts 10 місяців тому

    YT changed how the like button counts likes