My Love for Europe's most Endangered Language, Livonian!

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  • @RJayLV
    @RJayLV 5 місяців тому +17

    Hey Driesipops! An actual Livonian here, my grandma speaks the language fluently and teaches it, I still sing in a Livonian folk ansamble and take part in all the mayor livonian activities and festivals. Just wanted to say you did an excelent job, it is an honor to see people dive in to the subject and make materials like this. And if you don't mind, I will show this video in my livonian culture lesson in a summer camp for kids this year! Great job! Subscribed.

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  5 місяців тому

      Thank you! I would be happy to have the video being shown for Livonian culture lessons.
      I plan on making another video about Livonian next year to talk more precisely about some of the unique ways the language and culture is being shared and how an international audience could learn some basic parts of the language so could you share the name of the folk ensemble you partake in?

    • @raccoonbilly7569
      @raccoonbilly7569 3 місяці тому

      At some point could you help teach me?

    • @puhistagram
      @puhistagram 2 місяці тому

      I would like to hear about these the mayor livonian activities and festivals, Jay!

  • @Markov092
    @Markov092 10 місяців тому +27

    Recently here in Latvia government implemented new policies for historical cultural regions. For example, they are adding town and city name road signs under original ones to specific cultural region. I.e. in municipal areas where Livonians used to live, they are adding road signs in Livonian language under original Latvian ones, like Tālsa mōgõn (Talsi municipality). Also, like Livonian flag, other historic cultural Latvian tribes now officially have their own respective flag.

  • @GaemingStudios
    @GaemingStudios 11 місяців тому +94

    as a finnish person i notice the words look very similar to finnish, i can even understand some sentences

    • @rasimovungernsternberg300
      @rasimovungernsternberg300 11 місяців тому +23

      It is part of the finno-ugric language family in which this very language is also in close proximity with estonian so it should make sense that you can understand basic phrases.

    • @GaemingStudios
      @GaemingStudios 11 місяців тому +2

      @@rasimovungernsternberg300 yep

    • @bkuu8924
      @bkuu8924 10 місяців тому +6

      I am a Estonian speaker and wanted to write the same comment as you 😂😂❤❤

    • @Heatwave679-OR10
      @Heatwave679-OR10 8 місяців тому

      Livonian and Finnish are both part of the Baltic-Finnic branch of the Uralic family

    • @DarkenedXPlayZS
      @DarkenedXPlayZS 8 місяців тому

      As an estonian, me too.

  • @CobraRedstone
    @CobraRedstone 10 місяців тому +26

    Latvian here:
    We are descended from the tribes you mentioned, the nuance however is that in the Baltic crusade, most of us were Pagans except for the Orthodox Christian Latgalians. The crusade was a bloody affair involving many massacres (chiefly made by the Germans), which depopulated the other tribes (except Latgalian) severely. After the crusades conclusion and the joining of all "Latvian" lands in one country under the Crusaders the Latgalians having a superior demography and social standing as Christians were established at the top of the Baltic social hierarchy which lead these local tribes to mix into and assimilate into them. For reference these Latgalians are "Old Latgalians", and the modern Latgalian dialect is descended from an already unified early form of Latvian from around 1500.
    Furthermore, the areas where the Livonians live tend to speak their own Livonian subgroup of Latvian which has its own words and generally simplified grammar (as result of ignorance as they adopted the Language).

    • @kraanz
      @kraanz 3 місяці тому

      Curonians and Zemgalians assimilated into Latgalians? What utter nonsense =D

    • @CobraRedstone
      @CobraRedstone 3 місяці тому +1

      @@kraanz in the past they spoke entirely different Baltic languages, these days they speak standard Latvian with a few different words and contracted grammer. The basis of modern Latvian comes from the Latgalians of 1000 years ago. Not the modern Latgalians of Latgale, whose dialect is only about 400, 300 years old.

    • @kraanz
      @kraanz 3 місяці тому

      @@CobraRedstone The basis of Latvian comes from Vidzeme, strangely enough.
      Beidz klausīties čangaļu murgus. Ja sāk dirst, ka Vidzeme arī bija pie Latgales, sūti uz poda.

    • @CobraRedstone
      @CobraRedstone 3 місяці тому

      @@kraanz muļķis

    • @UlmanistLatvia
      @UlmanistLatvia 2 місяці тому

      Most Latgalians, with the exception of Jersika, adhered to Baltic paganism, while Jersika itself exhibited a blend of Orthodoxy and pagan beliefs. Although the Crusades did impact demographics, the changes were not as pronounced as those in Pruthenia. When areas were depopulated, German settlers were typically preferred over locals, who, even if they were Orthodox Christians, were viewed by the zealous Catholic order as no different from pagans. While Latgalians likely had a more favorable demographic situation compared to other tribes, it was still insufficient to fully repopulate the rest of modern-day Latvia.
      The Semigallians, Selonians, and Latgalians spoke more or less the same language, with, of course, regional differences and dialects. The exception is Curonian, which possessed vocabulary unique to Western Baltic languages, leading linguists to conclude that Curonian was a Western Baltic language; however, this classification is still heavily debated. It’s worth noting that German sources themselves mentioned the Curonians as speaking a language that was very different from that of the other natives.

  • @twaago
    @twaago 9 місяців тому +8

    Tēriņtš! Dutchman living in one of those former fishing villages on the Livonian coast here! Very interesting video, thanks for helping share the story of the Livonians. One more factor contributing to the decline of the population speaking Livonian in the 20th century is the policies, actions and inactions of the first independent Latvian state in 1918-1940 where the aim of building a unified nation was prioritised over the interests of (linguistic) minorities. However in these years, the Livonian Union was formed and with aid from abroad it was quite successful in initiating events, education etc and building a community until the Soviet occupation took place. Later in the second half of the century much of this work slowly started to be picked up again and the same Livonian Union is very active along with other bodies such as the Livonian Institute of the University of Latvia. The resilience of the Livonian people is incredibly admirable!

  • @ItsC4veden
    @ItsC4veden 11 місяців тому +47

    this was REALLY good :D
    personally appreciate how the video flows, it kept me both entertained and engaged throughout
    shur up and take my like and subscription

    • @cerebrummaximus3762
      @cerebrummaximus3762 10 місяців тому +1

      Hi, new to this channel. Is the similarity to Blue's video style from OSP intentional? That's what made me click on the video

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  10 місяців тому +4

      It is indeed inspired from his work!

    • @cerebrummaximus3762
      @cerebrummaximus3762 10 місяців тому +2

      @@Driesipops That's really neat, I love OSP, and their artsyle, and it certainly attracted me to your video. However, currently it looks identical to Blue's content. Inspiration is good, but ripping the artsyle off 1-to-1 is a bit discouraging for all parties involved. Please don't take this comment negatively, more like a node to improvement to avoid plagiarism accusation.
      My advice is:
      • Carry on with Blue's exact style for a video or two to maximise attraction to an audience like me. However gradually change it a bit, you want to attract the fans, not make them angry or report to Blue for plagiarism.
      • Once you have completed those two video, start changing it up a slight bit. Maybe stay loyal to Blue's style, but switch the background to a different water texture, or the maps to another colour, or at the very least have a similar font or at least one that is not identical. Begin the switch as a gradual now-and-then, to make sure that all OSP fans you could have attracted you have done so successfully, but gradually start doing it more and more till all your videos are similar but slightly different.
      • Slowly make it more unique. Experiment with different techniques, aesthetics and styles in the same "every now-and-again" fashion from earlier. Prune away the features you dislike or are too similar to Blue's, and keep features you enjoy.

  • @rando-w5h
    @rando-w5h 3 місяці тому

    I always love when people from outside Latvia can talk about it and learn about our nation
    Thanks!

  • @lietuvospatriotasnr1678
    @lietuvospatriotasnr1678 11 місяців тому +144

    Not nearly as endangered as the curonian language that 4 people still speak in the curonian spit in lithuania

    • @olisomething
      @olisomething 10 місяців тому +17

      it's spoken by just over 30 people actually.

    • @lietuvospatriotasnr1678
      @lietuvospatriotasnr1678 10 місяців тому +7

      @olisomething Wow I did not know that, thank you.

    • @ilovecakecanihaveapiece
      @ilovecakecanihaveapiece 10 місяців тому +13

      wymysorys is also a very endangered language in Europe.

    • @naurisss
      @naurisss 10 місяців тому +12

      That is not Curonian! People stop spreading false information and educate yourself beforehand.
      You are talking about Kursenieki language, not Curonian. Curonian was a West Baltic language, that is extinct for couple of hundred years already, while Kursenieki is quite similar to Latgalian - a sociodialect. It’s a version of Latvian dialect from Courland with a strong Curonian, Lithuanian and Polish influences.

    • @yvavi6851
      @yvavi6851 9 місяців тому

      Stupid ass pfp

  • @michael_klaus
    @michael_klaus 10 місяців тому +12

    Thank you for making such a wonderful video about the Livonian language! This actually means a lot for someone like me who comes from Latvia

  • @Dacey_Wacey
    @Dacey_Wacey 11 місяців тому +20

    actually entertaining, you earned my like! ^^ keep going :3

  • @Zapadoslavist
    @Zapadoslavist 11 місяців тому +33

    Looking forward to more videos like this!
    Maybe Cornish? Manx? Or maybe Sorbian which you already mentioned?

    • @Zapadoslavist
      @Zapadoslavist 11 місяців тому +8

      One minor criticism I have is that you just compared it to Latvian, instead of also comparing it to its relatives (Finnish or Estonian)

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  11 місяців тому +11

      Sorbian will definitely be a future video!
      Cornish sounds fun as well.
      And for the criticism, It did not occur to me to include Finnish and Estonian comparisons but I should definitely do that if I make another video about Livonian in the future (which is probably going to happen at some point)

    • @PerfectBrEAThER
      @PerfectBrEAThER 11 місяців тому +3

      @@Zapadoslavist "Min izāmō" ("My Fatherland"; Latvian: Mana tēvzeme) is the ethnic anthem of the Livonians. The song was written by Kōrli Stalte (1870-1947), a poet and spiritual leader of Livonians, to a melody composed by Fredrik Pacius (the same melody used for the anthems of Finland and Estonia).
      līvõ kēļ 🇫🇮 🇪🇪
      Min izāmō, min sindimō, ūod ārmaz rānda sa,
      Mun isänmaa, mun synnyinmaa*, oot armas ranta sä,
      Mu isamaa, mu sünnimaa*, oled armas rand sa,
      kus lāinõd mierstõ vīerõbõd ja rāndan sūdõ āndabõd.
      miss’ laineet merest’ vierivät ja rannall’ suuta antavat.
      kus lained merest veerevad ja rannal suud annavad.
      Min ārmaz īlmas* ūod set sa, min tõurõz* izāmō!
      Mun armas ainut oot tääll’ sä, mun kallis isänmaa!
      Mu armas ainus oled siin sa, mu kallis isamaa!
      Min izāmō, min sindimō, ūod ārmaz rānda sa,
      Mun isänmaa, mun synnyinmaa, olet armas ranta sä,
      Mu isamaa, mu sünnimaa, oled armas rand sa,
      kus rāndanaigās kazābõd vel vanād, vizād piedāgõd.
      miss’ rannan ääress’ kasvavat viel wanhat, viisaat petäiköt*.
      kus rannaääres kasvavad veel vanad, viisas* petäjed*.
      Min ārmaz īlmas ūod set sa, min tõurõz izāmō!
      Mun armas ainut oot tääll’ sä, mun kallis isänmaa!
      Mu armas ainus oled siin sa, mu kallis isamaa!
      Min izāmō, min sindimō, ūod ārmaz rānda sa,
      Mun isänmaa, mun synnyinmaa, oot armas ranta sä,
      Mu isamaa, mu sünnimaa, oled armas rand sa,
      kus jelābõd īd kalāmīed, kis mīer pǟl ātõ pǟvad īed.
      miss’ elävät kalamiehet, jotk’ merellä ovat päivät, yöt.
      kus elavad kalamehed, kes merel on päevad, ööd.
      Min ārmaz īlmas ūod set sa, min tõurõz* izāmō!
      Mun armas ainut olet tääll’ sä, mun tyyris* isänmaa!
      Mu armas ainus oled siin sa, mu kallis isamaa!
      Min izāmō, min sindimō, ūod ārmaz rānda sa,
      Minun isänmaa, minun synnyinmaa, oot armas ranta sä,
      Mu isamaa, mu sünnimaa, oled armas rand sa,
      kus kūltõb um vel pivā kēļ - min amā tõurõz rāndakēļ.
      miss’ kuuluu vielä pyhä kiel’ - mun oma kallis liivinkiel’.(līvõ kēļ)
      kus kuulda veel püha keelt - min oma kallis Liivi keel. (rāndakēļ)
      Min ārmaz īlmas ūod set sa, min tõurõz izāmō!
      Mun armas ainut olet tääll’ sä, mun tyyris isänmaa!
      Mu armas ainus oled siin sa, mu kallis isamaa!
      *synnyinmaa native country (the country where one was born)
      *kodumaa / kotimaa homeland
      *Proto-Finnic/ilma, ilm, Livonian: īlma air sky weather
      From Proto-Finno-Ugric *ilma. The old religious sense "heaven" was mainly lost (save for the theonym *Ilmari)
      Derived terms *maailma
      * tõurõz *tiüris dear, precious Borrowed from Proto-Germanic *diurijaz.
      Finnish: tyyris, (dialectal) tiyris, tiuris
      * mänty pine (tree of the genus Pinus)
      From Proto-Finnic *mäntü, derived from mäntä (“archaic: mixing utensil made of the top of a young pine”); cognate of Estonian mänd; originally the word meant a young pine, and now relatively rare words petäjä and honka were used of the older trees.
      *(dialectal) tark
      *(dialectal) pedajas Proto-Finnic/*petägä, harilik mänd (Pinus sylvestris) pine tree

    • @beltransalasgarcia6005
      @beltransalasgarcia6005 10 місяців тому +3

      I would also love to see a video on the galician language

    • @marie_ee
      @marie_ee 10 місяців тому +2

      I agree

  • @rasimovungernsternberg300
    @rasimovungernsternberg300 11 місяців тому +3

    Finally a worthy and informative video with insights on the history of the Livonian Language (which I kinda knew through eu4) that really deserves to have a lot of views.

  • @realhawaii5o
    @realhawaii5o 10 місяців тому +6

    I am learning Estonian. This is interestingly similar!

  • @Emperor_Creeper
    @Emperor_Creeper 10 місяців тому +6

    Very nice video! Keep up the amazing work!

  • @paulwusteman9963
    @paulwusteman9963 11 місяців тому +3

    Congratulations on a fascinating video. I had tried to find out about Livonian and had absorbed the pessimistic view that the language would die out soon. So glad that enthusiasts are keeping it alive.

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  11 місяців тому +4

      I actually got in contact with someone from one of the Livonian preservation unions and there are some things they are doing that I didn't even mention in the video.
      There is a yearly Livonian summerschool where about 50 kids learn about the history and culture of Livonian and the basics of the language.
      This same union is also currently working on pdf documents to learn Livonian so it's easier to learn the language too!
      Also a pdf file with a compilation of Livonian songs with sheet music.
      I did not speak lightly when I said that the reviving is still in full swing! :)
      (there are still some more things I could mention but I think you get the gist)

  • @raphtehbigboss9701
    @raphtehbigboss9701 10 місяців тому +9

    Thank you for making me learn what "Ulzõ kuts politsijõ" means! I better be careful letting people in my basement roam free sometimes...

  • @_leaf
    @_leaf 11 місяців тому +11

    this was so entertaining, looking for more vids like this!!

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  11 місяців тому +2

      You might see more of them pop up towards the end of the year :)

  • @mahimaparmar304
    @mahimaparmar304 9 місяців тому +1

    Very well done! I'm loving the traction this video is getting.

  • @benvanzon3234
    @benvanzon3234 10 місяців тому +10

    Northern Sámi is also a very interesting language! About 25k speakers for Northern Sámi, sadly, the other Sámi languages have less than a thousand :(

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  10 місяців тому +6

      Maybe you'll find a video about Sami from me later in the year too!

  • @TheUnderscore0
    @TheUnderscore0 10 місяців тому +9

    As a latvian I appreciate this

  • @fbertiflipper2726
    @fbertiflipper2726 8 місяців тому +1

    It's cool seeing some kind of representation from these languages so people can be awared of their existence. What wraps my mind is the fact there's a whole bunch of hundreds of languages that fit in the endangered category and are simply bound to be forgotten.

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  8 місяців тому +2

      From what I've read around 9 languages fully go extinct each year, it is sad to know how many cultures and stories are going to be forgotten due to that

  • @adrianlopez5019
    @adrianlopez5019 10 місяців тому +3

    Hermoso video... yo mismo quisiera aprende Livonio... suena tan bello ese extraño idioma. Gracias por difundir... ¡tota cultura, toda lengua y todas las etnias deben ser respetadas!!! ❤ Saludos desde ARG. 🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷

  • @astrOtuba
    @astrOtuba 8 місяців тому +3

    Great job! It looks like I was listening Rikāz rānda for long enough so UA-cam recommended me this video. Also I like endangered languages so that also can be a reason.
    Anyway, I hope your channel will grow and we'll hear about other interesting topics from you in the future✨

  • @Enist1XD
    @Enist1XD 10 місяців тому +1

    As a Hungarian (from the finno-ugric subfamily, same as Livonian), there is not as much similarities compared to the northern languages, but the pronunciation does somewhat feel similar, almost even recognizable. Though if I were to learn the language, it may be harder to learn how to write, speech sounds very much possible to quickly pick up on.
    Even so, the video is extremely captivating! I love the style you have, the way you share information, how your jokes are extremely well-timed...
    Keep up the great quality, you def deserve more recognition :D

  • @joonashaav6531
    @joonashaav6531 11 місяців тому +16

    Good video my friend.

  • @moonshineman5691
    @moonshineman5691 5 місяців тому

    I'm looking forward to taking a course of Livonian in the spring!

  • @puhistagram
    @puhistagram 3 місяці тому

    Thank you for your important video, Driesipops.

  • @zarecht2968
    @zarecht2968 10 місяців тому +3

    I deadass thought you were gonna pull a "I am the last of my kind" thing lol.
    Would've been epic though.
    Also, Livonian is actually a language? Thats neat. I've always thought it was just the name of the baltic crusader state of the Livonian Order. The more you learn I guess!

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  10 місяців тому +4

      Well it would be logical that they would pick the name Livonian order when they had Livonian lands but afaik the actual Livonians didnt get much representation or rights aside from the name

  • @SirWigglebott0m
    @SirWigglebott0m 10 місяців тому +6

    As a (wannabe) language nerd and another person that loves languages and livonian this video was c r a z i l y underrated. How did you get the translations for words in livonian? And what languages are you actually just learning rn?(id hope not french aswell lmao). The livonian language is also just super underrated especially with its history and im so happy theres more content for it now, like seriously you deserve alot more subscribers

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  10 місяців тому +4

      There are a few websites that offer some basic Livonian words with English translations next to them and I used google translate for the Latvian words. I also contacted someone from one of the Livonian preservation unions and they looked over the list of words to make sure all of them were correct!
      Currently I'm surface level on Livonian but I do indeed have to learn French too ._.

  • @johanrosenberg6342
    @johanrosenberg6342 10 місяців тому +2

    I don't recall why, but I recently went down the rabbithole of how the Koskullskulle district in Gällivare got its name. The short version everyone there knows is that it was named after the statesman Koskull. But looking into it further I found his lineage to be from Livonia (though the livonian nobility were generally of german descent), and I suspect that's where the name originated - "kull" seems to be the germanised version of what in finnish/estonian would be "kylä"/"küla" (sorry, couldn't find the Livonian equivalent).
    All in all we have a lot of languages here to begin with, but it's always fun to see others make small appearances like this. Or see ours make similar appearances abroad.

    • @twaago
      @twaago 9 місяців тому

      See also en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uexk%C3%BCll

    • @twaago
      @twaago 9 місяців тому +1

      and the Livonian word for village is "kilā"

  • @houyi3982
    @houyi3982 11 місяців тому +2

    pretty damn based video. Thought my guy must have at least 150k+ subs with the quality of editing and jokes, but I guess I'm just early.

  • @Heatwave679-OR10
    @Heatwave679-OR10 8 місяців тому +1

    In the middle of the video i was heartbroken. At the end I was elated

  • @Befreie_mich
    @Befreie_mich 10 місяців тому +5

    0:15 He showed turkey a small language on the map

  • @Germany02
    @Germany02 10 місяців тому +3

    I only knew it threw the northern crusades but I didn't know much about it this helps allot

  • @Kerguelen.Mapping
    @Kerguelen.Mapping 10 місяців тому +4

    Great video about livonian!
    A video about Gagauz would be amusing

  • @andrisk2703
    @andrisk2703 5 місяців тому

    I come from a place in Latvia where eastern Livonians used to live. The name of my town (Vangazi) is a Livonian word meaning flooded field, but unfortunately only local history nerds know such an ethnicity even exists.

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  5 місяців тому +1

      Well one of the points of videos like these is to try and make more people aware of the presence Livonian had in their local cultures in order to spread the awareness

    • @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714
      @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 8 днів тому +1

      I think you mean etimology.

    • @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714
      @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 8 днів тому +1

      @Driesipops We latvieši know very well that livonians are one of the 5 tribes that formed our nation. Tho only us linguists know that you can speak latviski with like 15% livonian vocabulary.

  • @eriknoorvali
    @eriknoorvali 10 місяців тому +2

    I always appreciate a good Monty Python reference 2:44

  • @margustoo
    @margustoo 10 місяців тому +5

    As an Estonian, who knows a bit about Livonian, it did seem to me that your pronounciation was a bit off. Vowels with a line on top are long vowels. In Estonian they would be "aa", "ee", "ii", "oo" etc. Keep in mind that Livonians also use letter õ, that is not double "o", but a different sound (eventhough this letter õ looks similar to ō) and that letter (õ) can also have a line on top (ȭ).

  • @forgottenmusic1
    @forgottenmusic1 11 місяців тому +3

    Looking for the reasons why Livonian vanished, the crucial moment happened with the Reformation. The ruling Baltic Germans decided, that only Latvian and Estonian should be the church languages, thus banning Livonian. As Lutheran church demanded everyone knowing the main principles of the faith, people couldn't even marry without knowing Latvian.
    WWI was actually even more devastating, than WWII. In the beginning of WWI, Germany managed to occupy Courland quickly, but the people were evacuated first to Eastern Latvia or further to the territories remaining under Russian control for longer. It took at least 3 years, before they were able to return. Since then, they rarely passed the language to the next generation as L1 (though many were still learning it as L2).
    Reviving the language is not just as easy as that. That child has never heard any native speaker, and likely the parents have strong accent and they tend to replace the correct syntax with Latvian one. I've seen that with the attempts of keeping another language, Votic alive, even when there are a very few native speakers left. And, even the Modern Hebrew, though revived from a living cult language, has very strong influence from Yiddish, including using Germanic syntax.

  • @girtskazmins5154
    @girtskazmins5154 10 місяців тому +3

    there are people that idetify as Livonians - so if people are alive - language can be revived too.

  • @Frahamen
    @Frahamen 10 місяців тому +3

    As some one with an extremely limited amount of exposure to Estonian and a little more to Finish, I see how Latgalian is related. (it's mostly the spelling and Minä meaning you)

    • @SUUOOOMMIIIPERRKKEEELEEEEE
      @SUUOOOMMIIIPERRKKEEELEEEEE 10 місяців тому +2

      Minä means you, except it doesn't.

    • @Frahamen
      @Frahamen 10 місяців тому +1

      @@SUUOOOMMIIIPERRKKEEELEEEEE Oops. I told you I didn't knew anything lol. It means I, does it?

  • @malawidouglas6464
    @malawidouglas6464 8 місяців тому +1

    I met an older lady in Ventspils who was half Livonia and who could count in Livonia. It sounded like Finnish and Estonian to me.

  • @MemeAnt
    @MemeAnt 10 місяців тому +3

    Out of curiosity, is there anywhere an English speaker, like me, could go to learn Livonian? I’d at least like to see how it operates somewhat.
    Great video, thank you for teaching me something new!

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  10 місяців тому +2

      There are a few links in the description that go to livonian union websites one of which seems to be quite solid for learning!

    • @MemeAnt
      @MemeAnt 10 місяців тому +2

      @@Driesipops why thank you!

  • @itsmellsfishy3978
    @itsmellsfishy3978 10 місяців тому +3

    my step grangarnfather was one of the seven prueblooded livonians, also i want to corect that latvian merged from five languages, the for baltic and livoinian (in latvian language there are 3 main dialects, and one of them is the livonian which is infuenced strongly by the livonian language)

  • @arrunzo
    @arrunzo 6 місяців тому

    Great video! In a way, I still view Livonian as still being a "dead language" like Cornish because there wasn't a continuity of native speakers to pass on the language. In other words, it's kind of like Cornish, where it died and it was kind of revived, but I don't feel like it's the same thing as a language that survived all the way through. I guess Livonian is not too different from Estonian and Finnish, so it's not impossible to get a good idea of how to speak it, but I still feel like something was permanently lost.

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  6 місяців тому +1

      Well like I pointed out in the video, there are still likely some natives working in or with the Livonian unions.
      I can't name anyone or prove that they still exist because of privacy reasons but during my research I got the feeling that the whole "last native died" narrative has been a little bit oversensationalized.
      I do get your point though and I slightly agree however the effort that has been put into preserving the language including prunounciation seems to lessen that feeling of it having lost something permanently and gives more the feeling that they are preparing in case they lose it by giving people the tools and experience to find it back again

  • @midshipman8654
    @midshipman8654 10 місяців тому +6

    As a history guy, when I hear “Livonian” the first thing that pops to mind is the “Livonian Order”. which was a military catholic knightly order operating in the baltics at the beginning of the Northern crusades before it was broken and the teutonic order came to replace and absorb it.
    Though I remember the area being rather christianized by the 1200’s since it was largely under teutonic power, so the info about it being suppressed under religious grounds seems a bit odd for the early modern period. Could it be that they where more catholic (or lutheran) as opposed to the more eastern orthodox russians later on?

    • @a.v.j5664
      @a.v.j5664 10 місяців тому +1

      Iirc they were lutheran

    • @Markov092
      @Markov092 10 місяців тому +1

      Livonian order was one of branches of German Teutonic order's of Livonian confederation. Livonian order and Livonian tribe have nothing in common except historic interaction. Livonian language was also called "Rānda kēļ" (Coast language), because it was language spoken at Baltic shore, in result Finnic tribe, that lived at Baltic shore were called "Līvi" (by Latvian tribes) or "Liven" (by Germans), which means Sand folk. Livonian order probably picked up "Liiv" word and established their order based on Finnic tribe, that lived by Baltic shore.

  • @IC0C
    @IC0C 8 місяців тому +2

    Livonian isn't a dying language, it was just that little speakers.

  • @a.v.j5664
    @a.v.j5664 10 місяців тому +8

    I actually own a "Learn Livonian" discord server with quite a bit of resources and speakers

    • @Enist1XD
      @Enist1XD 10 місяців тому +2

      oh wow, could you send its link here?

    • @annasenesi6847
      @annasenesi6847 Місяць тому

      I´d like to join!

  • @roxxxydubois
    @roxxxydubois 10 місяців тому +1

    you should keep making videos about those other smaller languages

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  10 місяців тому

      There are a couple planned for later in the year

  • @volframs9
    @volframs9 11 місяців тому +4

    its great to hear livonian being revived but there are also other uralic languages like votic, enets and nganasan that need help in preserving their languages

    • @a.v.j5664
      @a.v.j5664 10 місяців тому +1

      Yukhagir isn't actually a uralic language

    • @volframs9
      @volframs9 10 місяців тому +1

      @@a.v.j5664 thanks ill correct my comment

  • @zasmirko100
    @zasmirko100 10 місяців тому +2

    Livonian is very similar to Estonian (almost twin languages), by the fact Estonians made efforts to revive Livonian language. In the past there was a great reluctance for that from Latvians who saw that as some "separatist movement", long time Livonian was prohibited in Latvian educational system. I hope now the attitude is changing, but as always people are discovering the charm of the some small nation only when they became extinct.

  • @javel114
    @javel114 4 місяці тому

    I love all the uralic languages, im a finn, not a pro at linguistics, but i also speak ingrian (tought by my grandma) a little bit of torneo saame (by other grandma) main dialects i speak are north bothnian and savonian, and lived in Turku so that dialect is known also, most my life in Helsinki, slang comes in too. Estonian is just as complex, livonian is a missing link with Saaremaa dialect

  • @mattiasjohannorglaan2967
    @mattiasjohannorglaan2967 8 місяців тому

    There's quite a few finno-uralic languages & cultures around the baltics that are in a similar state as Livonian. Some of them more wide spread in south-east Estonia/Russia border like Seto - other's almost forgotten & less than 100 speakers like Ingrian around the St.Peterburg area.

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  8 місяців тому

      I have definitely been thinking about some of those languages too, Veps is one I'm probably making a video about it at some point but I'd have to learn more about it first

    • @PerfectBrEAThER
      @PerfectBrEAThER 7 місяців тому

      @@Driesipops “Ja mikä juhlallinen tuntu tuossa vepsän kielessä, ei sitä Europaeus aikoinaan suotta kutsunut »suomen sanskritiksi»”
      (Kettunen 1945: 277).

  • @novactic-s9k
    @novactic-s9k 10 місяців тому +2

    Livonian looks pretty Uralic (reminds me of Finnish and Karelian; my actual native language and language which should be native to me), and Latvian seems pretty Polish. Or something like that. They do seem very different.

    • @Pepper98776
      @Pepper98776 10 місяців тому +1

      not even close to polish

  • @SiKedek
    @SiKedek 7 місяців тому +1

    You should look up my good friend Dr Uldis Balodis, who's done some intensive research on this language in recent years.

  • @herptek
    @herptek 2 місяці тому

    As far as I understand the death sentence for livonian language was ultimately the fact that under Soviet control the livonian coast was a border zone, the iron curtain against the west, where people were not free to live normally.

  • @eclipsion136
    @eclipsion136 9 місяців тому +4

    MY HOVERCRAFT IS FULL OF EELS🎉

  • @gabor6259
    @gabor6259 10 місяців тому

    Speaking of Uralic languages, a dive into Mansi and Khanti would be appreciated.

  • @Salt_and_Peroxide
    @Salt_and_Peroxide 10 місяців тому +2

    how do you rate the language that the cigáni speak or even the rench that they speak in Montreuil

  • @JohannStadlmann-x7f
    @JohannStadlmann-x7f 11 місяців тому +2

    This was such a good video and still you only have 360 Subs let me change that

  • @TheSourOnion
    @TheSourOnion 10 місяців тому +4

    I actually knew about this, lol. I just knew about it because of an EU4 mod though...

    • @Mattis06
      @Mattis06 9 місяців тому +2

      I knew about it before but i also played a eu4 mod where livonian was a thing.

    • @TheSourOnion
      @TheSourOnion 9 місяців тому +2

      @@Mattis06 Was it Ante Bellum?

    • @Mattis06
      @Mattis06 9 місяців тому +2

      @@TheSourOnionwhile I have played ante bellum I found it in the mod “Finno-Ugric World”

  • @GameyRaccoon
    @GameyRaccoon 11 місяців тому +2

    This feels inspired by Nativlang

  • @Maxzes_
    @Maxzes_ 7 місяців тому +1

    Turkish is such an endangered language ❤🙏 One day I hope the Rhomanian government would recognise it as an official language 😭

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  7 місяців тому +1

      On the verge of dying out completely if I recall correctly, sadly there isn't that much documentation about the turkish language to help preserve it

    • @Maxzes_
      @Maxzes_ 7 місяців тому

      @@Driesipops Can you tell me the history of Turkish and how it’s going extinct 🙏🙏

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  7 місяців тому +2

      no

  • @rhsmn2334
    @rhsmn2334 6 місяців тому

    omg and with such great videos you only have 600 subs???

  • @girtskazmins5154
    @girtskazmins5154 10 місяців тому +1

    Salaca is a river in the area - the c is Cz not K. Easter Livonians suffered Heavily from Black death in 17th centuary. Latvians have intermaried with Livonians so much that latvian language has stressed first silible like in Livonian and not fluid stress like in other baltic languages.

  • @astrogames8645
    @astrogames8645 11 місяців тому +1

    Coole video! Sowieso gaat ze viraal :D

  • @Pagan_0210
    @Pagan_0210 7 місяців тому +1

    I saw you on my recommended page and that profile picture feels familiar, have you ever happened to play on a certain worldbuilding Minecraft server...?

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  7 місяців тому

      Yes, and I also remember your pfp although I don't remember from what nation or who specifically... I presume Kyydrosil?
      (I was from Credia btw)

    • @Pagan_0210
      @Pagan_0210 7 місяців тому

      @@Driesipops omg no way, I was the Gdanyc guy

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  7 місяців тому

      Oh yeah!
      Well... uh my apologies for ending your nation again💀

  • @pho._
    @pho._ 6 місяців тому

    i only speak a little finnish but livonian looks quite similar

  • @Dahu_7
    @Dahu_7 4 місяці тому

    What bad experiences have you had with English and French if I may ask?

  • @mparksriga5186
    @mparksriga5186 6 місяців тому

    Nice! Thanks!

  • @syrupdogstudios
    @syrupdogstudios 11 місяців тому +2

    Please do a video about the lezgin language

  • @Thefrogbread
    @Thefrogbread 6 місяців тому +1

    Dayz?

  • @veeeen
    @veeeen 8 місяців тому +1

    where'd you get the scrolling flags animation in the intro from? or did you make it

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  8 місяців тому +3

      I fully made it myself!

    • @veeeen
      @veeeen 8 місяців тому +1

      @@Driesipops nice :D i wrote down all the languages represented by the flags i could identify:
      Galician, Sámi, Māori, Kurdish, Crimean Tatar, Maltese, Karakalpak, Greenlandic, Inuktitut, Uyghur, Basque, Berber, Iroquoian, Amami Ōshima, Luxembourgish, Rapa Nui, Esperanto, Navajo, Kashubian, Bashkir, Ainu, Armenian, Saterland Frisian, North Frisian, Ladin, Spanish, Cornish, Quebec French, German, West Frisian, Welsh, Livonian, Gagauz, Aromanian, Karelian

  • @wiel5908
    @wiel5908 8 місяців тому +1

    hating french (language) is pretty based.

  • @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714
    @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 8 днів тому +1

    Latviešu nation is made of 5 tribes. Latgaļu, zemgaļu, krušu, sēļu and līvu.
    Latviešu languages always stressing the first silible is a livonian feature, our more common word for house is livonian māja rather than baltic nams.
    Livonians are as much latvieši as any of the 4 baltic tribes.

  • @Schockmetamorphose
    @Schockmetamorphose 5 місяців тому

    Ry'n ni yma o hyd!
    Er gwaetha pawb a phopeth,
    ry'n ni yma o hyd!

  • @greensleevez
    @greensleevez 6 місяців тому +1

    Is the Wikipedia type set for readability and/or dyslexia purposes?

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  6 місяців тому

      I like the readability personally

  • @Ziano-ke8kq
    @Ziano-ke8kq 10 місяців тому +2

    Is ot just me or are you using the blue osp map technique

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  10 місяців тому +3

      The marble map is indeed inspired by his style

    • @Ziano-ke8kq
      @Ziano-ke8kq 10 місяців тому +1

      Yippie

  • @Jaqfie
    @Jaqfie 11 місяців тому +3

    what about sorbs?

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  10 місяців тому +3

      they are cool, would sorb again!

    • @Jaqfie
      @Jaqfie 10 місяців тому +2

      i mean sorbs in lusatia (germany) forgotten slavs@@Driesipops

  • @Weatheredcutcopperstairs
    @Weatheredcutcopperstairs 11 місяців тому +2

    Yo do a video about Manx language 🇮🇲

  • @ItsMrCringe
    @ItsMrCringe 11 місяців тому +7

    one more comment for the algorithm 💪

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  11 місяців тому +5

      I wonder if youtube automatically removes the value of any comments that include the word algorythm just to spite people that want to give a boost to a video

  • @SantiPowerShow26
    @SantiPowerShow26 3 місяці тому

    Hey make videos playing Minecraft on Livonian

  • @sanniks
    @sanniks 11 місяців тому +3

    The terrible demographics in Latvia will not allow the language to grow. is there any data on the demography of the Livonian speakers?

  • @mxmula
    @mxmula 6 місяців тому +1

    why dont you like english or french? i am very curious

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  6 місяців тому +1

      I have personal reasons for French but my disfavoring for english is based around the fact that english is having a massive effect on weakening the dutch language (and most other germanic languages) which I am not a fan of

    • @mxmula
      @mxmula 6 місяців тому +1

      ahh okay i see, that makes a lot of sense. thanks for sharing! also great video, i thoroughly enjoyed it

    • @arrunzo
      @arrunzo 6 місяців тому

      @@Driesipops Are you interested in the idea of a true Pan-Germanic language or do you think that would still weaken native Germanic languages? I know English is more of its own thing compared to other Germanic languages.

  • @Ligzdotajs
    @Ligzdotajs Місяць тому

    Tēriņtš! Technically Livonian (or Livish) is a demised language already in the course of the first half of the 20th century, but the heritage goes on - as shown by today's culture creating Latvians (with or without direct Livish ancestry) like this folk sing/dance group from the Eastern Baltic shore (where my grandma - presumably of Livish descent also came from): ua-cam.com/video/2wYY1fGw72o/v-deo.html

  • @dklimenok
    @dklimenok 10 місяців тому

    3:02 Not Sala[k]a Livonian, but Sala[ts]a Livonian,

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  10 місяців тому

      This mistake will haunt me for the rest of my life

  • @bananbananowy3552
    @bananbananowy3552 10 місяців тому +2

    i only know about livonia or livonian because of arma 3 lol

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  10 місяців тому +2

      I first learned of the Livonians from eu4 lol

  • @SUUOOOMMIIIPERRKKEEELEEEEE
    @SUUOOOMMIIIPERRKKEEELEEEEE 10 місяців тому +2

    It sickens me why some Americans defend the soviets just because how horrible Hitler was "in comparison".

  • @gfhsxdf5769
    @gfhsxdf5769 Місяць тому

    didnt the last native speaker die like few years ago?

  • @monkeeseemonkeedoo3745
    @monkeeseemonkeedoo3745 10 місяців тому +1

    Almost sounds like Robonia

  • @EnglishOrthodox
    @EnglishOrthodox 10 місяців тому +2

    Hating English is overrated

    • @SUUOOOMMIIIPERRKKEEELEEEEE
      @SUUOOOMMIIIPERRKKEEELEEEEE 10 місяців тому +5

      ☝️🤓

    • @ItsC4veden
      @ItsC4veden 10 місяців тому +5

      i love how this implies hating french is not lmao

    • @arrunzo
      @arrunzo 6 місяців тому +1

      I get why people can range from disliking to outright hating English, but to me, it is irrational in some sense. To be more specific, sometimes it seems like people dislike English because they don't understand it or they're not good at it, so calling English "less expressive" or "stupid" makes those people feel better about themselves. It seems like a good deal of the hatred of the English language is jealousy, I feel. What I'm saying is, it seems less like an actual concern for one language beating out all the others and more so "sour grapes", like they wish that Spanish or French (whatever native language) was the one pushing out other languages instead (makes them feel special). At the end of the day, as much as people can dislike English, a language is valuable because there are enough people and ideas that are valuable in said language. A lot of people speak Bengali, but how much do Bengali speaking people contribute outside their range compared to smaller languages like Korean worldwide? It's all about being valuable to others, is what I think. It's not just about imperialism. Russian, French and whatever else were all "imperialist" languages, but those didn't become the world's de facto international language, did they? That being said, no one should be expected to like English or any language. Sometimes a language just isn't appealing, and that's okay.

  • @adishoogendorp4194
    @adishoogendorp4194 4 місяці тому

    Why do you think child being the only native speaker of language to be sensationalized or tragic?

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  4 місяці тому

      There are doubts in regards to the fact that the parents not being fluent in Livonian might be hampering brain development because the child isn't able to learn a bigger vocabulary or sentence structure from their parents which depending on how the child is being treated might in the most tragic case make their life severely more difficult by (for example) making their social development with other children far more difficult.
      I hope it is sensationalized news because the alternative is very worrying to me

    • @adishoogendorp4194
      @adishoogendorp4194 4 місяці тому

      @@Driesipops What makes you think her parents are not fluent in Livonian ?

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  4 місяці тому

      I read about it somewhere back when I was working on this video

    • @adishoogendorp4194
      @adishoogendorp4194 4 місяці тому

      @@Driesipops Well father of Kuldi is Livonian language researcher, and Livonian and Finnish language private tutor.
      The misconception might be caused by the textbook they wrote "Kūldaläpš" the textbook designed to learn the Livonian language together with a child.
      It is not ABOUT learning the language, it is meant FOR learning the language.
      Even reading about this in Latvian it is somewhat easy to misunderstand what the purpose of the book is.

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  4 місяці тому

      Thanks for informing me!!

  • @wan1edguy382
    @wan1edguy382 11 місяців тому +1

    400th sub

  • @KameroonEmperor
    @KameroonEmperor 11 місяців тому +1

    change the font you use it reminds me too much of overly sarcastic production, on top of the fact that you got a similar style of editing which i love but both of those and my first though was "overly sarcatic productions rippof"
    otherwise this channel is a fuckin gem

    • @joonashaav6531
      @joonashaav6531 11 місяців тому +1

      It is a good font. Osp uses it as it is a good and striking font without looking too crazy. Also a channel hasn't got a claim on any font and i don't think they would even want to enforce that claim.
      So pretty much, they use the same font cause it is a good font.

    • @KameroonEmperor
      @KameroonEmperor 11 місяців тому +1

      @@joonashaav6531 yeah but just saying it can send the wrong message and ts their signature font other than that im all for it

  • @gfhsxdf5769
    @gfhsxdf5769 Місяць тому

    Livonians died when they sided with the Teutonic knights who where crusading baltics to take over other finnic tribes, their king perished in the fight and the Germans didnt care of them after the fact.

  • @siimtulev1759
    @siimtulev1759 8 місяців тому

    You could have said at least the last sentences correctly :D

  • @WhiteStarLineCo
    @WhiteStarLineCo 6 місяців тому

    comment for engagement :D

  • @moko561
    @moko561 11 місяців тому +2

    B

  • @MadCat9500
    @MadCat9500 10 місяців тому +2

    Don't like English post a video in English can't wait for your French video next lol.

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  10 місяців тому +2

      Now THAT would be silly! (*crosses french video from the list*)

  • @Didyouknowthatiexist
    @Didyouknowthatiexist 10 місяців тому

    Learn Livonian then

    • @Driesipops
      @Driesipops  10 місяців тому +2

      Definitely working on it