This is seriously my main build! I absolutely love the utility I have when I play with my wife so she can go ham in wild shape! Happy you made this build! If anyone wants a few more spell slots to summon stuff or supplement more utility you CAN forgo the aura skills at paladin 6 and 7 and take 2 wizard levels for spell learning and more spell slots
I really appreciate how you sit down, break down each step thoroughly and your not over-hyping anything or bouncing all over the place. Well done and I plan on changing my Devotion Paladin into this build. :)
I initially subscribed because of your build videos and how you structure them - but now I enjoy watching your live streams because you’re just a chill dude. Keep up the great work
Great timing! I just started the game a couple weeks ago, and I tried as a Barbarian with little luck. I started again as a Paladin, and I feel it's been a vast improvement. As a newcomer to D&D, it feels simple and accessible, but I can already see some of the depth and possibilities as I get deeper into the game.
@@acuyra yeah paladin is a little more straightforward also helps that in baldurs gate 3 you choose your subclass at level 1. Barbarians have to wait the longest level 3. Your subclass choices can have quite the impact on how you play even within the same class.
I had a similar expirence. Starting out Paladin gave me a pretty good feel for melee combat aswell as spells. Right now I'm running a light domain cleric/paladin with the luminous armour. With Spirit guirdians and some radiat smites it's practically soling act 2.
Quite similar to mine, certainly I did; 2 cleric light domain for the dawn burst ability 4 paladin for smites 6 wizard having 6 in wizard will give me a few things. Higher level spells and the ability to learn spells. 3 spells are important to the build. Sunbeam, globe of invulnerability, and summon diva. Having the sunbeam spell allows you to concentrate on it as opposed to the blood of lathander, allowing you to cast sunbeam in succession. Globe of invulnerability explains itself. And summon diva because I wont be 11 levels in cleric.. I'm missing out on a extra attack, but I feel those 3 spells makes up for it.
@@leonlacroix2638 Oh nice one other question if you dont mind how did you deal with your stats being so spread out INT for Wizard, WIS for Cleric, CHA for Paladin etc.
@@Fletchling863 equipment. I'm wearing the circlet of intelligence bringing my 8 int to 17 Gauntlet of hill giant strength bringing my strength from 8 to 23 (I think its 23) My wisdom and Chrisma and constitution were naturally high stats. I believe my dex is 8 aswell.
Love the vid. I’m still having a hard time multiclassing out of my pure paladin build. I may not be using mine right, but I use mine as a tanky damage dealer with heavy armer, rather than last line of defense😂
There's a weird mechanic around your default "spellcasting ability" that might be a handicap when running this build. You probably want to change the levelling order because you are going to get stuck with your low Wisdom score setting the save DCs for all the effects from your gear (instead of Charisma, which you would want.) Whenever you use magic items, scrolls, or powers not tied to a class (like illithid powers, or Arabella's Shadow Entangle, etc.) the game chooses the spellcasting ability from the "last new" class added to your character. So, when you level in the order of Paladin --> Cleric, or Paladin --> Cleric --> Paladin, the "last new" class is Cleric, and Wisdom is the the "default" SA. You should start with at least one level of Cleric, or alternatively, flip your WIS and CHA scores.
WELL SHIT! That's super gamey, but I really like that - I thought it was the LAST class, but I thought that class-specific spells were bound to the class SA, that's really fucking cool man. Thank you! I'll adjust some future builds with that in mind!
@@italianspartacus Sorry, to be clear: You were right about the Class SA part. All of your spells and powers that come from a class do use the SA from that respective class. Paladin spells use CHA, and Cleric spells use WIS, as you'd expect... It's the spells and powers that do *not* come from any class, like all your gear effects, that have to use the "last new class" SA. The game does need a way to pick one SA from all your classes for these things - it is just not obvious at first how it chooses.
@@christinehede7578 Agree. Don't know why they decided on the method they chose. Guessing here, but I think that they must be triggering the update to a character's default "spellcasting ability" field when we choose the "Add a class" option, but not every other time we level up.
Great build! there is never enough paladin builds, I would love to see an inquisitor/retribution paladin build probably with oath of vengeance that deals big damage and can use cleric just for the RP element of the deity.
Nice build, I have struggled a lot with this combination. Cleric and Paladin seem like a match made in heaven in terms of RP, but in truth, they kinda step on each other's toes. They share similar spells on their respective spell lists, but one casts with Wisdom and the other casts with Charisma. Unless you're going Nature Cleric for Shillelagh, you're going to be spread thin between STR, CON, WIS, and CHA. The truth of the matter is that both classes would really like to have more levels in themselves, rather than pairing with one another. If I were in the mindset of fully optimizing a Cleric/Paladin, I'd probably go 1 War Cleric / 11 Paladin for War Priest attacks + Improved Divine Smite. But there is nothing wrong with playing the game with a focus on roleplay. I do agree with the 7/5 split Again this build is definitely a RP win! Spirit Guardians at Cleric 5 is good, Cleric spell list is good in general, Channel Divinity adds a new dimension to the build, and taking 7 Paladin gives you an aura. You could go 7 Cleric / 5 Paladin for Extra Attack and more cleric spellcasting, but that loses Aura of Protection. Ironically Aura of Hate and Spirit Guardians pair well together. Outside of RP my most significant con is on the side of game mechanics there is not a lot of synergy between the 2 classes. It is a very MAD (Multiple Attribute/Ability Dependent) build. I'd personally focus on STR and CHA, with WIS 3rd. If you went with 7 Cleric / 5 Paladin, swap the priority on CHA and WIS. You want to dump Dex (put into WIS) since you can wear Heavy Armor but then you going last very oftendo not want to act last. Could get Alert but that costs you a feat. Taking DEX mean you WIS is low. Lower WIS than pure Cleric means preparing fewer Cleric spells and Cleric spell save DC will be lower.
There's reasons to do it and reasons not to do it. For example Knowledge can get you bonuses on skills. If you really want to do some skills it can let you have them. Life can get disciple of life. If you intend to use healing spells its good. Light cleric can get you warding flare. Makes you harder to hit. Nature domain - really doesn't do anything for you. You are better off multiclassing druid Tempest can get wrath of the storm. Can do damage back when enemies attack you. War cleric can get you war priest for more attacks.😢
if you are going that deep into cleric for spirit guardians, 10 levels into any bard will get you secrets and let you pick it up at 12th level. Pretty tasty capstone for playing a paladin bard. If you are playing paladin swords bard you can actually stack level five slot smite with a flourish and get 10d8 extra damage! Then what you do is spec as a dex paladin flourish with bows aswell. If you ever wanted to feel like an op fighter/mage/thief from second edition. This is the path for you.
I'm starting to think this guy makes better character build guide videos than wolfheartFPS....which is saying a lot. These are actually advanced builds good for experienced players. This may be attributed to the fact that Wolfy has been making lets plays and streams a lot more lately. Either way, bravo and thank you for these guides!
Amazing video as always! Your content is so comprehensive and informative. Currently running a life cleric/vengeance pally and would love to see the build you've come up with for this multiclass combo! Thanks for all you do!
Always a good build from Sparty! I had this idea too for Shadowheart after some spoiler-y events, go 5 light cleric, 6 ancients pally, and 1 sorc - you go 8-10-15-8-16-16 on stats and use the STR pot that sets it to 21, you get shield and tempestuous from storm sorc when you need to cast a spell and disengage, you get a fifth level spell slot for upcasting smite or spirit guardians, and with cha at 16 you get +3 saves and good conversation skills (though really she'd be decent at a lot skill-wise). You start pally for heavy armor and first feat you take resilient with the point in con to give you con, wis, and cha saves, and then second feat you take +2 wis. You can forgo the sorc level and grab pally 7 for the half damage on spells, but you lose the 5th and a 4th level spell slot. You can also tweak this to 6 war cleric/5 vengeance pally/1 storm sorc for similar, but more melee offensive minded. War cleric gives you some very useful low level spells (shield of faith, spiritual weapon, spirit guardians) for free, and the +10 to hit on your swing or someone else's, 2x per short rest, for that hit you absolutely need to have. Note that sometimes the bonus cleric attack is wonky with your extra attacks, but blowing your bonus action on something else will generally help (potion, jump, etc). Gear-wise you get the adamantine splint and shield, which gives reeling when your hit for 3 turns, and reeling for 2 turns if they miss. This is not QUITE as strong as the radiant orb chest in the underdark, imo, because you can cause that and its an aoe, but against a single target big bad its great. Side note on the STR pot: at the start, once you reach the druid grove, auntie will sell 3x 21 str elixirs, AND after every long rest this will refresh. You can stock up on extras of these and walk out of A1 with 15+, especially because you don't really need them until you start putting Shadowheart in melee. And that's before you start getting materials to manufacture these with the halfling hireling you can spec as transmutation/medicine check passer to make a bunch more to last the game. This does eat the elixir slot but you can satisfy the MAD requirements this way and I think is the best use for a tanky character to add some damage when able.
I personally really enjoyed my brief time as a lvl 2 Paladin, and lvl 8+ Life Cleric, for radiant strike, healing and max spell slots at max lvl. Light Cleric radiant spells are also awesome, but no extra weapon damage. War Priest for extra physical dmg and war priest attacks. A fun multiclass.
Great build and I agree, Paladin may be the most powerful and diverse class. I do have a challenge for you though, and maybe Paladin is a good start class. I know you need to get Withers for this to work, so the goal is to get him ASAP. Once you do, change your party to 1 single class. So a party of 4 Paladins with different builds to round out the party. I think maybe a limit of a minimum of 8 levels in the single class before (if) you multiclass and do a play-through like this. I like the idea of trying this for all classes.
The ability to tank, spank, and heal is always a golden trio. All the Paladin is missing is some form of Crowd Control, and it's perfect. I think that's why I like Oath of Conquest so much
Completely unrelated but I want as may people to know as possible. If you want long rest benefits without long resting, then respec. Respec with Withers (pick same class, attributes etc) will give you all your spell slots back and all your health back and refresh all traders items and won't progress story. This will obviously only work for the character that has respecced.
I used this build for a "good side" shadowheart build. I ended up doing a bunch of testing and figured that the infernal rapier, that you can get from wyll's story if you go down the route of being a good guy, scales with the highest spellcasting modifier. So I ended up going 8 stregnth, 12 dex, 14 con, 12 int, 16 wisdom, 14 charisma. The charisma still gives me +2 on all saves with aura of protection, but then I was able to scale my healing spells and my melee damage off of wisdom by using ASI from there. She was a crazy support character and definitely one of my favorite act 3 builds on higher difficulties.
it also just happens that all of my favorite classes are the charisma classes (sorcerer, paladin, warlock, bard) and so I wanted this one to be less charisma focused and I wanted it to still feel true to Shadowheart as a cleric. A+ build fr.
My main in BG3 is a Paladin 8/Cleric 4, Oath of Ancients/Life. Half-Elf (Wood) for that sweet little bit of extra movement. Slightly different to what you’ve led with but dayum its a beast!
Great vid... one tip... the FOM ring and boots are a waste, all you have to do is make one of your companions or a hireling into a cleric....works best with Gale if you don't use him because you can hit him when he is out of spells and he will regen to full spells.... Cast all your buffs (longstrider, aid, Poison resist, FOM, Death ward, bond) and then replace him with whichever party member you dropped to add him. Takes a few minutes after every long rest, but your full party gets buffed without using your offensive spells... and if you have summons, can buff them too.
I like cleric and paladin multiclass because my favorite race is dwarf and it let's me role play the elite holy warrior of Moradin, member of the Hammers of Moradin
Something i want to do on tabletop or BG3 if they ever add more sublclasses is Paladin /Divine soul sorc. You get Spirit guardians and Spirit weapon from sorc while keeping it charisma based spell atttack! That would be the dream for a pally
Paladin 2 Swords or Valor Bard 10 with magic secrets or Pal 5-6 Lore Bard 6-7 gets you both Spirit Guardians and Spiritual Weapon with Cha spell rolls -- not until lvl 12 and it might not fit with your head cannon.
I was looking for exactly this! I wanted the flavor of a holy knight in shining armor Paladin of Selune (for some fun Shadowheart/Shar opposition and romance) and I am so bored with every frontline build being 2h greatsword. Also constantly “multiclass into fighter” ugh, so boring! This feels right and flavorful
If a certain character dies during a certain fight in "her house" she drops a 4 ac shield, but if kept alive she drops a really nice monk gloves, but the ac is the only thing on it.
I would love more Paladin build videos and other Class-specific videos. Great work! Oh and can someone explain why the player character is called a “Tav”.
The main reason for life domain that I think you missed -- the base +6 healing to all your casts makes casting heals at lower level *FAR* more efficient. It's like a 3x+ average healing on your level 1 heals. In your demonstration here, you showed it on the highest level heal you could cast, but where it really shines is making all those level 1 spell slots worth a damn.
Also I think combo builds could be cool, idk how many there are but for example oath breaker paladin build mixed with a necromancer build for a companion. Stuff like that
@@FutureOverYou that’s what I had in mind when I made that comment lol. Gale is just so fun as evocation dropping fireballs on whoever without worrying about allies.
I got to disagree regarding the "It won't deal the best damage" take on this. If you're going down the Life Domain path of cleric and spec enough into it to unlock Spirit Guardians, then also use Blood Of Lathander as a weapon, you will indeed deal the most damage overall, although your single target dmg might be sub par. I respecced Shadowkitty into Life Domain and pure Cleric and she just rips through endgame encounters at a rate that neither Rogue-Barb Karlach nor Fighter-Barb Tav can compete with. Karlach and Tav are still the ones that are taking out the high helath HVTs but by the time Tav and Karlach have taken out 2 or 3 HVTs, Shadowkitty has taken out 10 of the adds *g*
As someone who started war cleric i only needed 10 cha to get 4 spell slots from paladin (7 cleric/5 paladin) all of which I only needed for smites and now even with the smites that use action and a bonus action i still can swing again if i haven't run out of war preist charges
Been looking for a good paladin/cleric build for awhile now, thanks for the guide! Also, what armor dye did you use? That blue and silver look is really stylish!
I think getting cleric 5 so late at level 10 is a mistake when spirit guardians is most impactful in Act 2, plus you miss a lot of cleric RP options in Act 1 if you don't take your first level of cleric until after 5 levels of Paladin.
Hrmmm. Been thinking about that trade off for that last level as that Aura of warding vs blessed healer (6/6 pal/cleric vs 7/5 pal/cleric) hrmm? Time to do some test on what work better in honor mode or me
A little late to the vid. My older runs wer emainlt Palalock multi class builds. This cleric Paladin build looks fun and im thinking of going with Selune as the god to have the unique interactions with Shadowheart as i turn her towards the light and romance.
I really think your BG3 builds are so good! Fun to play and very strong. I like this build for Shadowheart and think it fits! She starts as a Cleric and she got this warrior look to her. I know lore wise maybe Paladin isnt exactly for her. But not gonna let that restrict me, plus it fits appearance wise.
you can dump charisma as a paladin cleric because paladins really only want the smites, which scale off weapon damage rather than casting ability. so dump charisma and put those points into wisdom for the cleric abilities
I built and I am currently playing a Crusader Paladin/Cleric and made the Dex 8. Do not want to take the Alert Feat on this build so would appreciate thoughts on how I could maximize the "going last" in combat approach. Not sure if it's better to be a table Setter or Last Strike character. Appreciate any feedback, thanks.
Going early rather than later can really dictate the flow of combat, but if you know you’re about to enter a large fight, I’d throw Sanctuary on the character who’s moving last so they don’t get beat down before having the chance to act. Unless they have another reliable means to avoid damage/being targeted in the first round. Some items/armors also give bonuses to initiative.
Is there any tips if i wanted to change this to oath of devotion / war domain? I'm trying to build out a character that is an arbiter of justice who worships Tyr
I started a dark urge campaign with oathbreker+warlock but this video gave me an idea with my oathbraker, if i use war domain cleric+animated dead ill get that kinda deathkight vibe that is good at summoning a tiny bit and a monster at melee. thing is what do i need to consider when i spent my points when it comes to wisdom. do i need to invest into it? or just do like a 12 and ill be good to go? and on top of that spirit guardian with the necro damge is even more thematic. please let me know if this could be a new take on DK or should i stick to original warlock+paladin
If you aren’t going to use attack roll/saving throw spells from cleric like guiding bolt, the 12 wisdom is enough. You just won’t be able to slot many cleric buff spells until you get your cleric level up a bit. If you want to melee and use paladin spells I’d take charisma to 16 or 17 at the start and put the rest into CON and STR while dumping INT entirely and deal with having lower DEX around 10-14 depending on whether I wanted heavy or medium armor. Warlock gets the stacked extra attack and Hunger of Hadar, so you’d probably do a bit more damage reliably with the stacked extra attacks without worrying about War Priest Charges, but both can be good. Spirit Guardians and other saving throw spells probably won’t hit very hard unless you swap Charisma for higher Wisdom, but paladin typically wants to conserve spell slots for smite.
Sorry to sound dumb here…you said Smite was a concentration spell, I don’t get why it is or how it could be a problem? You cast it to hit an enemy and there’s no lingering damage over time? Can someone explain this to me? Thanks
I think I misspoke - there are specific smites that are like that, NOT DIvine Smite - the Paladin specific Smite ability. BUT Searing Smite, for example, does persistent damage every turn AFTER you do the Smite. Branding Smite brands them so that they can't go invisible as long as you have the concentration up. Does that help?! :)
Love all your BG3 content! I think you’re the only person I’ve ever heard put the concise info upfront and then did a deep dive on the topic in each video. I’m looking for the deep dive, so thank you.
Not seeing a +2 for Longsword Duelling .........is it a UI issue and it actually does add the damage but donest show it? Or does it not actually work with Duelling
definitely!! just be careful in honor mode because of the no save, but you'll be VERY tanky, VERY early. i'd say use a 2h weapon until maybe 5 or 7, then respec and switch to sword/shield :)
bro me and few of my friends are on a honor run and i have to play paladin cleric so i can heal and not die while our bard has good heals but die wery easily
@christinehede7578 bummer but bless is a good spell. Helps with landing attacks and making saving throws. Effectively its + 2 attack and + 2 to saves for all affected. If you use it on the character who cast it concentration is easier to keep.
@@barcster2003 Not really you can just take 2 levels in paladin for the smite and then just rest cleric. Dump charisma and put everything on Wisdom/Strenght and then the gloves that gives dex so you get decent initiative. So you can dump Dex also. You take Paladin for the smite the other spells you just use cleric for.
I like this cuz you can rp as a paladin of Tyr for example, cuz as a cleric you can also choose what deity you pray to
And the game recognises the multiclass as well and gives you specific responses aside the cleric one as paladin of x.
you only search a reason to kill Karlach bro
@@nunkAnminhe only seeks to call their bullshit out in front of Karlach
The real one
@@nunkAnminthe “paladins of tyr” hunting karlach are fakes
@@nunkAnmin Recite the left hand creed.
This is seriously my main build! I absolutely love the utility I have when I play with my wife so she can go ham in wild shape! Happy you made this build! If anyone wants a few more spell slots to summon stuff or supplement more utility you CAN forgo the aura skills at paladin 6 and 7 and take 2 wizard levels for spell learning and more spell slots
The Paladin Aura's are the main reason people pick Paladin, lol. That's like going Barbarian, but not getting Rage.
I really appreciate how you sit down, break down each step thoroughly and your not over-hyping anything or bouncing all over the place. Well done and I plan on changing my Devotion Paladin into this build. :)
I initially subscribed because of your build videos and how you structure them - but now I enjoy watching your live streams because you’re just a chill dude. Keep up the great work
Great timing! I just started the game a couple weeks ago, and I tried as a Barbarian with little luck. I started again as a Paladin, and I feel it's been a vast improvement. As a newcomer to D&D, it feels simple and accessible, but I can already see some of the depth and possibilities as I get deeper into the game.
You just got to understand what the class does.
@@barcster2003 yeah, I'm getting a lot of mileage out of Karlach as a berserker. I just feel like Paladin was a comfy fit for a starter like me.
@@acuyra yeah paladin is a little more straightforward also helps that in baldurs gate 3 you choose your subclass at level 1. Barbarians have to wait the longest level 3.
Your subclass choices can have quite the impact on how you play even within the same class.
I had a similar expirence. Starting out Paladin gave me a pretty good feel for melee combat aswell as spells.
Right now I'm running a light domain cleric/paladin with the luminous armour. With Spirit guirdians and some radiat smites it's practically soling act 2.
I remember that time I one shot Ansur with a lv 5 Crit-Smite + Perilous stakes combo. I yelled "Feel the THUNDER!" at the screen like an idiot
The only truly idiotic thing would be to restrain those awesome lines.
Quite similar to mine, certainly I did;
2 cleric light domain for the dawn burst ability
4 paladin for smites
6 wizard having 6 in wizard will give me a few things.
Higher level spells and the ability to learn spells.
3 spells are important to the build.
Sunbeam, globe of invulnerability, and summon diva.
Having the sunbeam spell allows you to concentrate on it as opposed to the blood of lathander, allowing you to cast sunbeam in succession.
Globe of invulnerability explains itself.
And summon diva because I wont be 11 levels in cleric..
I'm missing out on a extra attack, but I feel those 3 spells makes up for it.
How did you get sunbeam with only 6 Wizard
@@Fletchling863 scroll
@@leonlacroix2638 Oh nice one other question if you dont mind how did you deal with your stats being so spread out INT for Wizard, WIS for Cleric, CHA for Paladin etc.
@@Fletchling863 equipment.
I'm wearing the circlet of intelligence bringing my 8 int to 17
Gauntlet of hill giant strength bringing my strength from 8 to 23 (I think its 23)
My wisdom and Chrisma and constitution were naturally high stats.
I believe my dex is 8 aswell.
Love the vid. I’m still having a hard time multiclassing out of my pure paladin build. I may not be using mine right, but I use mine as a tanky damage dealer with heavy armer, rather than last line of defense😂
There's a weird mechanic around your default "spellcasting ability" that might be a handicap when running this build. You probably want to change the levelling order because you are going to get stuck with your low Wisdom score setting the save DCs for all the effects from your gear (instead of Charisma, which you would want.)
Whenever you use magic items, scrolls, or powers not tied to a class (like illithid powers, or Arabella's Shadow Entangle, etc.) the game chooses the spellcasting ability from the "last new" class added to your character.
So, when you level in the order of Paladin --> Cleric, or Paladin --> Cleric --> Paladin, the "last new" class is Cleric, and Wisdom is the the "default" SA. You should start with at least one level of Cleric, or alternatively, flip your WIS and CHA scores.
WELL SHIT! That's super gamey, but I really like that - I thought it was the LAST class, but I thought that class-specific spells were bound to the class SA, that's really fucking cool man. Thank you! I'll adjust some future builds with that in mind!
@@italianspartacus Sorry, to be clear: You were right about the Class SA part. All of your spells and powers that come from a class do use the SA from that respective class. Paladin spells use CHA, and Cleric spells use WIS, as you'd expect... It's the spells and powers that do *not* come from any class, like all your gear effects, that have to use the "last new class" SA. The game does need a way to pick one SA from all your classes for these things - it is just not obvious at first how it chooses.
@@jtirri8842the smart thing would have been to make those spells scale of your highest offensive stat.
@@christinehede7578 Agree. Don't know why they decided on the method they chose. Guessing here, but I think that they must be triggering the update to a character's default "spellcasting ability" field when we choose the "Add a class" option, but not every other time we level up.
I’m going through a bunch of your videos and really like your builds. Thank you for the content!
Of course bro! Thanks for watching!
Great build! there is never enough paladin builds, I would love to see an inquisitor/retribution paladin build probably with oath of vengeance that deals big damage and can use cleric just for the RP element of the deity.
Nice build, I have struggled a lot with this combination. Cleric and Paladin seem like a match made in heaven in terms of RP, but in truth, they kinda step on each other's toes. They share similar spells on their respective spell lists, but one casts with Wisdom and the other casts with Charisma. Unless you're going Nature Cleric for Shillelagh, you're going to be spread thin between STR, CON, WIS, and CHA. The truth of the matter is that both classes would really like to have more levels in themselves, rather than pairing with one another. If I were in the mindset of fully optimizing a Cleric/Paladin, I'd probably go 1 War Cleric / 11 Paladin for War Priest attacks + Improved Divine Smite.
But there is nothing wrong with playing the game with a focus on roleplay. I do agree with the 7/5 split
Again this build is definitely a RP win! Spirit Guardians at Cleric 5 is good, Cleric spell list is good in general, Channel Divinity adds a new dimension to the build, and taking 7 Paladin gives you an aura.
You could go 7 Cleric / 5 Paladin for Extra Attack and more cleric spellcasting, but that loses Aura of Protection. Ironically Aura of Hate and Spirit Guardians pair well together.
Outside of RP my most significant con is on the side of game mechanics there is not a lot of synergy between the 2 classes. It is a very MAD (Multiple Attribute/Ability Dependent) build. I'd personally focus on STR and CHA, with WIS 3rd. If you went with 7 Cleric / 5 Paladin, swap the priority on CHA and WIS.
You want to dump Dex (put into WIS) since you can wear Heavy Armor but then you going last very oftendo not want to act last. Could get Alert but that costs you a feat. Taking DEX mean you WIS is low. Lower WIS than pure Cleric means preparing fewer Cleric spells and Cleric spell save DC will be lower.
There's reasons to do it and reasons not to do it.
For example
Knowledge can get you bonuses on skills. If you really want to do some skills it can let you have them.
Life can get disciple of life. If you intend to use healing spells its good.
Light cleric can get you warding flare. Makes you harder to hit.
Nature domain - really doesn't do anything for you. You are better off multiclassing druid
Tempest can get wrath of the storm. Can do damage back when enemies attack you.
War cleric can get you war priest for more attacks.😢
if you are going that deep into cleric for spirit guardians, 10 levels into any bard will get you secrets and let you pick it up at 12th level. Pretty tasty capstone for playing a paladin bard. If you are playing paladin swords bard you can actually stack level five slot smite with a flourish and get 10d8 extra damage! Then what you do is spec as a dex paladin flourish with bows aswell. If you ever wanted to feel like an op fighter/mage/thief from second edition. This is the path for you.
You didn’t mention thief until the end. Was that just for flavor? Or does that come from your background? Thanks in advance.
I'm starting to think this guy makes better character build guide videos than wolfheartFPS....which is saying a lot. These are actually advanced builds good for experienced players. This may be attributed to the fact that Wolfy has been making lets plays and streams a lot more lately. Either way, bravo and thank you for these guides!
Amazing video as always! Your content is so comprehensive and informative. Currently running a life cleric/vengeance pally and would love to see the build you've come up with for this multiclass combo!
Thanks for all you do!
Always a good build from Sparty! I had this idea too for Shadowheart after some spoiler-y events, go 5 light cleric, 6 ancients pally, and 1 sorc - you go 8-10-15-8-16-16 on stats and use the STR pot that sets it to 21, you get shield and tempestuous from storm sorc when you need to cast a spell and disengage, you get a fifth level spell slot for upcasting smite or spirit guardians, and with cha at 16 you get +3 saves and good conversation skills (though really she'd be decent at a lot skill-wise). You start pally for heavy armor and first feat you take resilient with the point in con to give you con, wis, and cha saves, and then second feat you take +2 wis. You can forgo the sorc level and grab pally 7 for the half damage on spells, but you lose the 5th and a 4th level spell slot. You can also tweak this to 6 war cleric/5 vengeance pally/1 storm sorc for similar, but more melee offensive minded. War cleric gives you some very useful low level spells (shield of faith, spiritual weapon, spirit guardians) for free, and the +10 to hit on your swing or someone else's, 2x per short rest, for that hit you absolutely need to have. Note that sometimes the bonus cleric attack is wonky with your extra attacks, but blowing your bonus action on something else will generally help (potion, jump, etc). Gear-wise you get the adamantine splint and shield, which gives reeling when your hit for 3 turns, and reeling for 2 turns if they miss. This is not QUITE as strong as the radiant orb chest in the underdark, imo, because you can cause that and its an aoe, but against a single target big bad its great.
Side note on the STR pot: at the start, once you reach the druid grove, auntie will sell 3x 21 str elixirs, AND after every long rest this will refresh. You can stock up on extras of these and walk out of A1 with 15+, especially because you don't really need them until you start putting Shadowheart in melee. And that's before you start getting materials to manufacture these with the halfling hireling you can spec as transmutation/medicine check passer to make a bunch more to last the game. This does eat the elixir slot but you can satisfy the MAD requirements this way and I think is the best use for a tanky character to add some damage when able.
Loved your video, very informative. I have seen lots of videos but none of them explain the stats as well as you do.
Thank you so much! that's very kind!
I personally really enjoyed my brief time as a lvl 2 Paladin, and lvl 8+ Life Cleric, for radiant strike, healing and max spell slots at max lvl. Light Cleric radiant spells are also awesome, but no extra weapon damage. War Priest for extra physical dmg and war priest attacks. A fun multiclass.
Great build and I agree, Paladin may be the most powerful and diverse class. I do have a challenge for you though, and maybe Paladin is a good start class. I know you need to get Withers for this to work, so the goal is to get him ASAP. Once you do, change your party to 1 single class. So a party of 4 Paladins with different builds to round out the party. I think maybe a limit of a minimum of 8 levels in the single class before (if) you multiclass and do a play-through like this. I like the idea of trying this for all classes.
The ability to tank, spank, and heal is always a golden trio. All the Paladin is missing is some form of Crowd Control, and it's perfect. I think that's why I like Oath of Conquest so much
I think 4 Clerics are more powerful personally, an all Paladin team will have a big range weakness, even with Vengeance misty step
Completely unrelated but I want as may people to know as possible. If you want long rest benefits without long resting, then respec. Respec with Withers (pick same class, attributes etc) will give you all your spell slots back and all your health back and refresh all traders items and won't progress story.
This will obviously only work for the character that has respecced.
Will definitely be using this build on my Honor mode playthrough.
I used this build for a "good side" shadowheart build. I ended up doing a bunch of testing and figured that the infernal rapier, that you can get from wyll's story if you go down the route of being a good guy, scales with the highest spellcasting modifier. So I ended up going 8 stregnth, 12 dex, 14 con, 12 int, 16 wisdom, 14 charisma. The charisma still gives me +2 on all saves with aura of protection, but then I was able to scale my healing spells and my melee damage off of wisdom by using ASI from there. She was a crazy support character and definitely one of my favorite act 3 builds on higher difficulties.
it also just happens that all of my favorite classes are the charisma classes (sorcerer, paladin, warlock, bard) and so I wanted this one to be less charisma focused and I wanted it to still feel true to Shadowheart as a cleric. A+ build fr.
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Definitely planning doing a second playthrough with some points with a cleric since it’s the most underplayed class.
Thats because of shard she Stands allways in my Party 😅
@@gambbit1I just played as a cleric with shadow also as one very fun
@@Flippohoyyy yeah cleric is very versatile with there subs
@@gambbit1 Yes it really is, that playtrough was alot of fun especially the dialouge with Shadow being a Selune cleric
Cleric has alot of possibilities.
My main in BG3 is a Paladin 8/Cleric 4, Oath of Ancients/Life. Half-Elf (Wood) for that sweet little bit of extra movement. Slightly different to what you’ve led with but dayum its a beast!
Nice! That is the build I went with! I am going with six levels of life Cleric so I can heal myself when ever I heal.
Great vid... one tip... the FOM ring and boots are a waste, all you have to do is make one of your companions or a hireling into a cleric....works best with Gale if you don't use him because you can hit him when he is out of spells and he will regen to full spells.... Cast all your buffs (longstrider, aid, Poison resist, FOM, Death ward, bond) and then replace him with whichever party member you dropped to add him. Takes a few minutes after every long rest, but your full party gets buffed without using your offensive spells... and if you have summons, can buff them too.
Great videos. I have tried several of your builds and enjoyed them all. Here's a comment to help the algorithm of your channel.
Thanks brother!
I like cleric and paladin multiclass because my favorite race is dwarf and it let's me role play the elite holy warrior of Moradin, member of the Hammers of Moradin
Nice work. Paladin can def have so many builds. I still love the Paladin/Warlock build and take advantage of the devil sight while casting darkness.
Sadly all paladin build feels the exact same
Something i want to do on tabletop or BG3 if they ever add more sublclasses is Paladin /Divine soul sorc. You get Spirit guardians and Spirit weapon from sorc while keeping it charisma based spell atttack! That would be the dream for a pally
There is a mod on nexus mods for divine soul sorcerer. And it uses cleric as a source file or something because I had cleric lines in dialog.
Paladin 2 Swords or Valor Bard 10 with magic secrets or Pal 5-6 Lore Bard 6-7 gets you both Spirit Guardians and Spiritual Weapon with Cha spell rolls -- not until lvl 12 and it might not fit with your head cannon.
@gwibbles1625 i was thinking that but thats a huge bard investment :(
@@eddiefannin2296 i was thinking of checking out some mods. Good idea!
Just got BG3! Appreciate the guides
Loving this channel. Loving the builds. Keep them coming.
I was looking for exactly this! I wanted the flavor of a holy knight in shining armor Paladin of Selune (for some fun Shadowheart/Shar opposition and romance) and I am so bored with every frontline build being 2h greatsword. Also constantly “multiclass into fighter” ugh, so boring!
This feels right and flavorful
love watching these builds good work man
All the paladin build videos. Paladins >>>
Half orcs as frontliners is super useful. As a tanky build for my group, the Relentless Endurance is INSANELY useful.
If a certain character dies during a certain fight in "her house" she drops a 4 ac shield, but if kept alive she drops a really nice monk gloves, but the ac is the only thing on it.
gr8 vid tho, keep up the good work :)
Amazing build. Very clever.
Glad you like it!
I would think the proficency in polearms would be useful - there are some excellent pikes & halbards available early act 2.
I would take 8 in paladin and 4 in cleric, I would play with moonbeam and smite, I would probably take Selune as a deity.
amazing tips and tricsk. justy started paladin and needed this
Can you make a video on your take on the best class to take on honor mode?
ACTUALLY! I'm working on like.. "MOST OP BUILDS FOR HONOR MODE" :)
I would love more Paladin build
videos and other Class-specific videos. Great work!
Oh and can someone explain why the player character is called a “Tav”.
This can also make a good evil build if one follows an evil deity, a shame Shar was removed as an option for release, and Oathbreaker Paladin.
Gonna use this for my paladin/cleric of selune
Make those Paladin videos! I haven't deviated from any classes on my characters, but I am looking into doing it for some of my characters!
The main reason for life domain that I think you missed -- the base +6 healing to all your casts makes casting heals at lower level *FAR* more efficient.
It's like a 3x+ average healing on your level 1 heals.
In your demonstration here, you showed it on the highest level heal you could cast, but where it really shines is making all those level 1 spell slots worth a damn.
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Also I think combo builds could be cool, idk how many there are but for example oath breaker paladin build mixed with a necromancer build for a companion. Stuff like that
True. I plan to run an Oathbreaker Paladin with Gale as a Necro Wizard.
@@FutureOverYou that’s what I had in mind when I made that comment lol. Gale is just so fun as evocation dropping fireballs on whoever without worrying about allies.
There's alot possible. Just depends on what you want.
Baldurs gate 3 multiclassing being relaxed on stats added a couple that normally don't work.
I got to disagree regarding the "It won't deal the best damage" take on this. If you're going down the Life Domain path of cleric and spec enough into it to unlock Spirit Guardians, then also use Blood Of Lathander as a weapon, you will indeed deal the most damage overall, although your single target dmg might be sub par.
I respecced Shadowkitty into Life Domain and pure Cleric and she just rips through endgame encounters at a rate that neither Rogue-Barb Karlach nor Fighter-Barb Tav can compete with. Karlach and Tav are still the ones that are taking out the high helath HVTs but by the time Tav and Karlach have taken out 2 or 3 HVTs, Shadowkitty has taken out 10 of the adds *g*
Great stuff!
Step 1: Equip 2-hander
Step 2: Great Weapon Master
Step 3: Divine Smite
I personally will likely to get 18 or 20 charisma as Paladin because I like Aura of Protection so much
there's a third Underdark Race: Deep Gnomes (Svirfneblin)
As someone who started war cleric i only needed 10 cha to get 4 spell slots from paladin (7 cleric/5 paladin) all of which I only needed for smites and now even with the smites that use action and a bonus action i still can swing again if i haven't run out of war preist charges
Love the videos man! Keep it up!!🤘
Been looking for a good paladin/cleric build for awhile now, thanks for the guide! Also, what armor dye did you use? That blue and silver look is really stylish!
I think getting cleric 5 so late at level 10 is a mistake when spirit guardians is most impactful in Act 2, plus you miss a lot of cleric RP options in Act 1 if you don't take your first level of cleric until after 5 levels of Paladin.
You ever thought about doing a hand written guide as well love the build think about running it on honor difficulty
You should do a bard video next I feel like I rarely see anyone play as bards because they’re not considered “main character class”
You can just make such a solid bard build by purely going knowledge bard, they're so strong!
I'd be interested in seeing a full dmg focused paladin.
Yes all of your paladin build ideas please 😊
Hrmmm. Been thinking about that trade off for that last level as that Aura of warding vs blessed healer (6/6 pal/cleric vs 7/5 pal/cleric) hrmm? Time to do some test on what work better in honor mode or me
A little late to the vid. My older runs wer emainlt Palalock multi class builds. This cleric Paladin build looks fun and im thinking of going with Selune as the god to have the unique interactions with Shadowheart as i turn her towards the light and romance.
I really think your BG3 builds are so good! Fun to play and very strong. I like this build for Shadowheart and think it fits! She starts as a Cleric and she got this warrior look to her. I know lore wise maybe Paladin isnt exactly for her. But not gonna let that restrict me, plus it fits appearance wise.
you can dump charisma as a paladin cleric because paladins really only want the smites, which scale off weapon damage rather than casting ability. so dump charisma and put those points into wisdom for the cleric abilities
Yep it's best to do this for min maxing unless you use other paladin spells. Unless you really like to be great in conversations with persuasion ect.
Could we in theory go ahead at level 2 put a level into cleric so we have the roleplaying options for them?
Absolutely!!
when we gonna get that classic D&D staple the Barbarian x Wizard Multiclass?
Thoughts on 11 War Claric, for lots of spell slots, 1 Paladin to upcast lots of smites? Haven't tried it, but seems cool in theory?
You would need a level 2 paladin in order to get the ability to smite, and Devine smite can only be up casted up to a level 4 spell slot.
@ajnelson1975 Gotcha. Oh well. My dreams of 6th level smites doing like 80 damage weren't meant to be I guess. Thanks!
I built and I am currently playing a Crusader Paladin/Cleric and made the Dex 8. Do not want to take the Alert Feat on this build so would appreciate thoughts on how I could maximize the "going last" in combat approach. Not sure if it's better to be a table Setter or Last Strike character. Appreciate any feedback, thanks.
Going early rather than later can really dictate the flow of combat, but if you know you’re about to enter a large fight, I’d throw Sanctuary on the character who’s moving last so they don’t get beat down before having the chance to act. Unless they have another reliable means to avoid damage/being targeted in the first round. Some items/armors also give bonuses to initiative.
You don't need to. Focus on doing other things if you want to dump dex.
Can you make a guide for a land druid /cleric build please.
Is there any tips if i wanted to change this to oath of devotion / war domain? I'm trying to build out a character that is an arbiter of justice who worships Tyr
I started a dark urge campaign with oathbreker+warlock but this video gave me an idea with my oathbraker, if i use war domain cleric+animated dead ill get that kinda deathkight vibe that is good at summoning a tiny bit and a monster at melee. thing is what do i need to consider when i spent my points when it comes to wisdom. do i need to invest into it? or just do like a 12 and ill be good to go?
and on top of that spirit guardian with the necro damge is even more thematic.
please let me know if this could be a new take on DK or should i stick to original warlock+paladin
If you aren’t going to use attack roll/saving throw spells from cleric like guiding bolt, the 12 wisdom is enough. You just won’t be able to slot many cleric buff spells until you get your cleric level up a bit. If you want to melee and use paladin spells I’d take charisma to 16 or 17 at the start and put the rest into CON and STR while dumping INT entirely and deal with having lower DEX around 10-14 depending on whether I wanted heavy or medium armor.
Warlock gets the stacked extra attack and Hunger of Hadar, so you’d probably do a bit more damage reliably with the stacked extra attacks without worrying about War Priest Charges, but both can be good. Spirit Guardians and other saving throw spells probably won’t hit very hard unless you swap Charisma for higher Wisdom, but paladin typically wants to conserve spell slots for smite.
can you do jack of all trades achievements build. love your content
Offense only paladin? Adding sorcerer for that?
For the Paladin/Cleric build would War Domain work if you have a full Life Cleric in party? Wanting War Priest
Yup!!!
@@italianspartacus Thanks! Especially for the quick response!!
Sorry to sound dumb here…you said Smite was a concentration spell, I don’t get why it is or how it could be a problem? You cast it to hit an enemy and there’s no lingering damage over time? Can someone explain this to me? Thanks
I think I misspoke - there are specific smites that are like that, NOT DIvine Smite - the Paladin specific Smite ability.
BUT Searing Smite, for example, does persistent damage every turn AFTER you do the Smite.
Branding Smite brands them so that they can't go invisible as long as you have the concentration up.
Does that help?! :)
@@italianspartacus yes, this makes perfect sense! Thank you 🙏🏻
Love all your BG3 content! I think you’re the only person I’ve ever heard put the concise info upfront and then did a deep dive on the topic in each video. I’m looking for the deep dive, so thank you.
Not seeing a +2 for Longsword Duelling .........is it a UI issue and it actually does add the damage but donest show it? Or does it not actually work with Duelling
It doesn't work! It was changed in a patch
@@italianspartacus whomp whomp .
Thank you for clarifying. I keep seeing conflicting data online! Haha
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Why wouldn’t you go light domain??? Could you??
Is this build viable for tactician and honor mode?
definitely!! just be careful in honor mode because of the no save, but you'll be VERY tanky, VERY early. i'd say use a 2h weapon until maybe 5 or 7, then respec and switch to sword/shield :)
What was the armor at 12:15?
Vengeance build
what about 7 ancients pally/ 1 life cleric/ 4 lore bard
That'd definitely work too!! :)
bro me and few of my friends are on a honor run and i have to play paladin cleric so i can heal and not die while our bard has good heals but die wery easily
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My appreciation for your always continued support?!
Gonna drop mine here too then. Love your vids italian
As damage and tanking goes this seems weaker than a pure paldin build
its black guard
PC UI is so sexy 😭💔
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Shields are broken in the sense that they don't work.
Bless is a waste of a spell slot. Any time I have tried to use it Shadow gets hit really early in the encounter and bless is gone.
Bless is actually really good.
@@barcster2003 nearly every time I have used it it has been removed in the first round of combat. I no longer bother with it.
@christinehede7578 bummer but bless is a good spell. Helps with landing attacks and making saving throws. Effectively its + 2 attack and + 2 to saves for all affected.
If you use it on the character who cast it concentration is easier to keep.
@@barcster2003 yes it would be a good spell if it was possible to have it active for a bit longer than in my experience.
You need to spec Shadowheart alittle more into concentration and that issue will be mostly gone, believe me.
Anyone got a good build for level 5 and if need be at most 6 😅
duelling does not work with versatile weapons
It does if you have a shield in your off hand. Despite it's poor wording on the discription. It does not work if you 2 hand it.
Putting stat points into STR when the Flasks of Giant Strength are so plentiful feels like a waste.
I love my 10 char paladin. I dgaf about dialogue options.
You'd want max charisma because of the other abilites.
@@barcster2003 Not really you can just take 2 levels in paladin for the smite and then just rest cleric. Dump charisma and put everything on Wisdom/Strenght and then the gloves that gives dex so you get decent initiative. So you can dump Dex also. You take Paladin for the smite the other spells you just use cleric for.
Mace on paladins is super gay