Hello everyone! I'm the ole "Blue Shirt Guy" from Marina's Eurovision video! Truly enjoyed the astute analysis and I have a feeling that Marina and Greece are going to win!
Excellent work! I bet your daughter is super proud. I hope to see you in the green room at Malmö, just strolling around in the background taking pictures of everybody.🧦🩴
Being greek, I have been in the proximity of persons whose lives and careers were ruined after the crisis of 2008. I won't deny the first verse "I am falling and rolling like dice" hit a nerve. This is not a gambler's throwing of a dice, we were the dice that were thrown around to fall as they may. I loved the analysis, btw.
The dice/gambling metaphor (both throwing and being the dice) really works on so many levels. On a personal relationship level it works as gambling on getting back together with an ex, but also being dependent on other circumstances for that to work. As a political metaphor it works as the Greek people being the dice thrown around by politicians in a game that is fundamentally rigged, as any gambling game is. The house (ECB/Troika) always wins. It also makes me think of the lottery ticket sellers and gambling shops. When you have nothing the smallest chance at everything is impossible to resist. Anyway love the analysis, and love Marina Satti's blend of modern and traditional music sang in her own language. It are the kind of submissions that I've always found the most interesting about Eurovision.
@@VasilisEmmanouilidis I've been to both countries so I'm speaking from experience. We are actually cool with Croats. Why do you think we give each other 12p each year at eurovision? 😀
@@thalassophile_artist this year I will give my 12 points to Switzerland, sorry. 😁 I don't know when it was the last time that you came to Greece, but it has become insanely expensive lately.
I was 21 years old when I first moved from Norway to Greece in 2017. I knew little about the history, and less about the politics back then. Honestly, I was young and Norwegian - naive, if you will. With that said, my family have regurlarly travelled to Greece during my upbringing, so I still knew a little bit of what kind of culture I was getting into. And what I will say is: I never regret moving to Athens! I love the liveliness of the city and the people. I love the food and how they keep family, friends and neighbours close. I love how honest they are if you ask the Greeks absolutely anything - they don’t hold back. And I love how Marina is showing the rest of the world the Greece that I fell in love with. The perfect mixture of art, architecture and history, and the messiness of the aftermath of the economic crisis and skewed politics and the Greek people trying to work for a better life for themselves and their future. I will always love Greece for what it is when you see beyond the tourist photos, and I feel incredibly lucky and thankful to be able to experience both sides of the tourism «issue», being a western expat in Greece. ❤️
@@DemosthenesKar because we all want to feel superior to non-Western immigrants. This is the sad truth and the reason why I insist on saying that I was an "Italian immigrant" when I lived in UK and Germany. And this was the way I was viewed, too. Even though I was studying at University on a scholarship, my German colleagues would ask me if I would stay in Germany and work in an Italian restaurant as a waitress. No joke. This Norwegian woman is as much of an immigrant to Greece as I was to Germany, but accepting that we are all equal on an individual basis is too humbling for some people.
@@mimmiblu6138 Hellenes (Greeks) have been through a lot with wars, invasion, genocide, occupation, civil war, all caused by foreigners. And we have been betrayed by our 'friends and allies' several times. We have fought and lost many people to have our country, our language, our religion, our ethnos in general, so foreigners can come and enjoy themselves, live in our free country, and some come in illegally and collect their benefits. So it is insensitive for foreigners not to call themselves immigrants or 'expats' as if they are part of the indigenous population, but with a different title.
As an Athenian and major fan of this channel I am so impressed with your thesis on our 2024 Eurovision entry.. it is totally on point and should be taught at university 🥰
I d say it was more like the American blues, they even had some joint blues/rebetiko concerts in the past.Both of em were born from pain and suffering.
Agree completely. But then Eurovision has become increasingly more interesting too over the years. Showing off the diversity and blending (yes, new fav word) that is Europe.
That's actually downtown center, like most cities in the world every major city has a couple of seedy neighborhoods. Southern and Northern Athens is definitely not like that, because middle class and upper class live there.😅
@@chamberv5261 i don't know what her true intentions were with that comment but it still rings true because the center of são paulo is probably the most fucked up place in latin america right now. you're lucky if you get out of there without being stabbed
As a Greek, once I grasped the purpose of ZARI's videoclip, I thought it was a wonderful serving of reality to some of my compatriots that can be extremely pretentious.
@christosliakis519 we are not pretentious. we know what the video is showing is real. and we want to showcase the beautiful aspects of our country, not the ugly.
@@nickb1156 Both aspects are there, though. We shouldn't want to lie our asses off to visitors that Greece is this ideal place, oh here see the acropolis, have some choriatiki. Greece is also chaotic and very Balkan.
OH. MY . GOD. Who are you??? How did you manage to put in so much depth and very accurate nuances into this analysis? First time in your channel, you tube gave it in my feed. I am mesmerised, and totally hooked! Will be bonge watching ALL your videos! Well done!
As a greek living abroad, I always get people asking me what to do in Greece. I have heard so many times other Greeks of diaspora to draw a picture of a dreamy greek experience with ancient monuments and good food. I am so tired of this, like trying to hide what they run away from but this is not the real image of Greece. And when the foreigners come back having experienced real greek life, they are even more impressed. This is what we are and that's why I love Marina so much! I hope she wins because she is an amazing artist!
@@Marios_Gr agree but in this case Marina didn't present an endless mess. Judging from the reactions of non Greeks, the images and the atmosphere presented in the music video is very familiar to anyone that has been to Greece at least once. Marina did a great job with combining the touristic cliché and the real urban life
@@tkalafata I disagree, she is promoting a certain folkloric, even decadent, aspect of the Greek society. Yes, this is a part of Greece, but it's not the only part. Showing all the time only that is a certain choice.
Well, what Marina is showing in the video is nothing you have to be proud of! And not all tourists agree with you! They choose to see monuments and sites! Because that is Greece! A whole country of history and civilization! Anything else is just for fun and... discrase!
@@A.Man.From.Cyprus what Marina shows in the video is part of everyday life in Athens. The food, the traffic, the tourists, the crazy car rides, the tavernas with old people and the old lady sitting outside. What is not true from all this? Who said anything about pride? Showing the everyday life in Athens is a choice Marina and her team made instead of showing again just monuments. Greece is history and monuments and beaches but it's also this. Fun, crazy, boring, beautiful and ugly reality. Also don't forget that this is actually what Marina and her team chose to show, so it has to do with their artistic aesthetic as well. It's not a documentary it's just a music video!!
Our Greek State owned TV organization done well for choosing Marina, And I really don't care if Our song comes first or in whatever position. All I care about is the fact that we are represented by a girl with message for our future, in other words YES ! Culture doesn't care about political borders and I am happy because our Country does something in order to make the world remember that.
The work behind this video is impressive. All the information are on point and well researched. Kudos to the team. Also the pronunciation of Greeks names is also impressively good.
What a great analysis!! I'm very disconnected of Eurovision this year, but Zari and Marina Satti is definitely one of my highlights already. I *LOVED* the video because it represented so well my own perception of the country when I visited. When I went I was expecting something like Rome, and what I found was a sheer contrast between the carefully curated (albeit still chaotic, like we see on the video) tourist streets and more run down and depressed streets. It was a continuous contrast that really enriched my whole experience. I felt like a tourist all the time and still lived through many experiences that felt more like an authentic touch of the actual life of Greece and how complex modern Greece is. I really hope Marina wins!!
As a greek overthinker, thank you for taking the time to create such a thorough video. By the way, Zari contains several easter eggs in the rythm and the lyrics, hinting Marina's old songs. Say what you wish about her work but she knows exactly what she's doing!
as a girlie who was born and raised in izmir to an ethnically greek mom and a local turkic dad, and currently living in varna, i just felt at home when i saw the music video of zari as i did when i first moved into varna. it is always going to be so fascinating to me how a place where people don't speak your language can feel like 'home' and look like your entire childhood. i was so shocked when i saw greek people didn't like it, as probably turkish people would do too lol,, our people are always so anxious about looking ''european'' enough which is kinda stupid to me, we are never going to be like them no matter how much we try and simply we don't have to. i was complaning about a lot of things about our culture and people as marina did but growing up and realizing your roots, embracing and becoming more of it is a part of today's generational experience i think.
@@havocgr1976 exactly, music has no borders indeed but for our case it is even more special, i think. we have a saying in turkish ''same shit but in a different color'' to refer to a thing which is kinda same but slightly different and i said it while i was talking to my greek friend about cultural stuff and she told me ''girl our color isn't even different, WE ARE THE SAME SHITT!!!'' and i kinda agree with her. despite some ethnical and religious background differences and propagandas of stupid politicians, we are no different than siblings fighting but still loving each other. i will not forget the memories of me bonding with balkanians in a room full of western europeans, dancing to chalga and traumatising poor westerns 😂
As a greek who was raised in Athens and who currently lives for the first time abroad (in Germany), I feel astounded by things that are not so engraved in our culture the same way they are in central Europe, such as bike mentality or even the way recycling is done. When I get asked about my home country and why I like it being here since 'I speak the Language of Plato and was raised where he once stood and that should be enough', I sometimes reveal some of the not so perfect aspects of Greece that totally represent modern times. Its funny how people believe that our motherland is just a living museum, a dead country that lives through its past and just exists to share its best ancient qualities with the rest of the world while being completely inactive. Showing our imperfections and everyday lives is to me like showing our truth, we are far from perfect and also we are so much more than our great ancestors. We are blessed with the sun and sceneries with rare beauty, but they dont belong to us. I feel odd feeling proud solely due to the fact that I was born greek. We, my generation and the next to come, admire and love our cultural heritage, but we also live for today and try to wear our national flag with pride for todays achievements while we continue writing history. Marina really shocked the world with how true she is and thats why, in my opinion, that is the best type of marketing and advertisement she could have done. Thank you for all the journey, Marina. Best of luck in Malmö!
Επική ανάλυση! Με εκφράζει απόλυτα. Πολλοί μορφωμένοι κ έξυπνοι Έλληνες εκτός Ελλάδας δυστυχώς... Φοβάμαι ότι το μέλλον δεν είναι λαμπρό για την Ελλάδα, δεν μπορούμε να μείνουμε Ελλάδα κ να συντονιστούμε. Μόνο έτσι κάνεις πολιτισμό, με σεβασμό σε αυτά που κληρονόμησες
Still, downtown center of Athens is not the entire city, we all know that middle class, upper class and rich folks,live in northern and southern Athens and life there is very different. Not to mention the fact that Athens is not the entire country, rural Greece is a quite beautiful actually.
I saw some video reactions for Marina Satti's song. Few have bothered about whether there is any meaning behind the video clip or the lyrics of the song, as well as whether the mixing of different musical sounds means anything. Even fewer were those who really understood what Marina Sati wanted to give and what exactly she wanted to indicate. Many thanks for the explanations you gave. I dare to say that it almost looked like a mini documentary, unfolding multiple levels of understanding, about what Marina wanted to say about Greece and the Greeks.
Είδα το βίντεο και παρόλο που λατρεύω τη Μαρίνα εδώ και χρόνια, έμαθα τόσα πολλά. Σ' ευχαριστούμε πολύ για την δουλειά σου και που μας δείχνεις τι σημαίνει ρεπορτάζ ❤
I'm a born and raised Greek that used to be obsessed with leaving Greece and in certain instances I was ashamed of stating ny nationality while living abroad. I returned to Greece 2012 and I have shifted my mindset so much as regardless of the economic situation and the corrupted government, I find the life quality here much much better than let's say some of the Western European countries that I lived in and are undeniably way more developed and financially stable. That being said, I have loved Marina from Koupes onward and I love what she does with her videos. Some Greeks that have my old mindset (of shame) find this an offensive depiction of Greece but what I see in her videos is the pride and confidence to say "THIS is who we really are, take it or leave it". And I love her for it. We have to stop pretending that we are "Europeans" because of geography. Our culture is SO old and colorful and mixed...in a way, I feel that some Greeks try to export an image of the all white statues and marbles forgetting that they only look this way because their vibrant colors have been washed away by the years and the weather trials. This is us. We have been here for yeard, we have been through one shit storm after the other but we're still colorful and vibrant and to my fellow Greeks who don't want to admit it let me say one thing. Be proud of who you are, not of who you want to be. GO Marina, win or no win, I'm 💯 in! Maybe the first time I'm interested in Eurovision....
Some of us don't like the state of our country though, which is why we hate it. She took the worst elements from modern greek pop and rap and mushed them together to create something even more horrible. Absolutely, apprehensible. And no, this isn't us trying to look "European" (whatever that means). Greece has a lot things to be proud of with its rich history and culture, the degradation of the last decades is nothing to be proud of though. We should try to improve our nation, not revel in its pathetic current state.
@@NickStrife well, that's just, like, your opinion man xddd You are exactly what is being criticized here. This is like being ashamed of your son because he works in a burger joint while studying in college. If you don't love your son, or your country as it is, at their lows, you don't really love them.
@@ZoeSensei92 I am free to express my opinion like you do. Your irrelevant parallels are no real arguments btw. My point still stands, and the fact most juries ignored this song speaks volumes of how bad it was. Loving my country doesn't mean liking its lackluster music industry as well.
I remember how disappointed I was as a teenager visiting Athens in the 90s, as someone completely obsessed with Greek mythology and architecture. I still go to Greece as much as I can. It's in my blood, just like it's in the blood of about a quarter of the world's population 🥰
This channel should be required viewing for every person and jury member before they can vote. I always learn new things that make me appreciate the entries even more. This post is no exception! (Thanks for the tip that the song could be about Greece itself and not a lover - that makes the lyrics so much more meaningful!)
If I was a stage creative director for Greece this year: When the song goes to that part where Marina stops the video saying “Opa opa opa” almost like something interrupting her dance routine, in that part the tourist does a cameo on stage LIVE interrupting the performance just by crossing it. Almost as if he is lost and accidentally ended up on stage. It could also be a reference to a few cases when other Eurovision contenders had a similar experience, a stranger interrupting their performance live on stage. We first saw that In 2010 when Jimmy Jump interfered the Spanish Eurovision act as he went on stage during Daniel Diges’ performance. Also Vitaly Sedyuk aka Eurovision’s Naked Butt Guy stage bombed Jamala at the Eurovision Grand Final 2017 during her interval performance. Lastly, during SuRie’s performance for the UK in 2018 in Lisbon, where a stage invader Dr ACactivism grabbed her microphone to scream “Nazis of the UK media, we demand freedom” before he was wrestled from the stage. I think it would be a clever idea to include the German tourist but also make a statement and create a viral sensation. It will help the song with the Televoting for sure.
i also though it could be interesting if in that part she grabbed the camera like if she was doing a vlog (similar to what she does in the music video). idek if they could pull that off but it would be funny
@@cookiemonster3066 her choreographer has done a small reel on his Instagram account showing a dance routine for this specific part and he slaps the camera.
Not only did she show how we really are but, crucially, how we sell ourselves to the outside, because we’ve convinced ourselves tourism is all we have, and that we need to be more like Western Europeans or US-ians. We even get embarrassed to use Greek in international spaces because we think we “should” be speaking English. She did a brilliant not just showing what (part) of what the country is really about, but also satirizing how (we let) tourists see us. Μπραβο της! Ένα πόντο και να μην πάρει έχει κάνει εξαιρετική δουλειά.
As a Greek, I can assure you aswell that the blue shirt tourist guy is indeed what we usually see here in Greece from many Germans, in other words, a stereotypical German tourist in Greece xd. I have taken a photo with that Mickey Mouse, it actually came up and pretty much forced me to take a picture which then I had to pay for xd. Mantissa was the song that made Marina Satti known to most of Greece. It became viral pretty quick. The song, or specifically, the video, indeed triggered a lot of fuss in Greece, which we haven't seen for many years. It's the first time since 2005 that our Eurovision participation is being discussed by the media soooo much. And people forget that Zari may not be likable by many Greeks, but it's what the rest of the world will decide to vote or no. And Zari depicts indeed what Greece is actually, for those who haven't come to Greece. There are tourist traps indeed, but there are also places with important history aswell but are neglected due to not being profitable enough for the archaeology service/state... Thank you for this video. Great job.
Oh, and what the modern Greece is, the image that the video depicts, is in my opinion what some other countries have aswell, not so unique. It's subjective though, but it's the combination of climate, the people you meet, that makes your time in Greece, or any other country, great or no. So, even if the tourism is the main industry of Greece, the popular things like ancient monuments and beaches and stuff, isn't necessarily the only things that a tourist should look for. And I know for sure many tourists who come to Greece for a, what could be called, alternative tourism.
I’m speechless with your analysis. You gave us ,an absolutely perfect one. When the song came out , I saw many reactions from people and I truly couldn’t understand why some of them were against it and they couldn’t react by using their brains first than their tongues… Greece had almost 2 terrible decades with the crisis , we lost many of us especially from committing suicides , also some of our dignity mostly, from what our friends from North Europe said about us (in general) and they didn’t specify their opinion (about our corrupted politics and their policies)..( they said that the majority of us are lazy , that we don’t pay our taxes etc).. As I said we lost some from our dignity yes , but we never let them make us believe that they know us better than us. Greece is what Marina gives you in our song , is our people in our streets is our Mediterranean happiness and hospitality, is our sadness for our stolen Marbles of Parthenon and many other things in our everyday life . But our culture and our dna always forgives but never forgets. For that reason Marina gave some donuts to our ( German friend) and at the end “ it doesn’t even matter” we tried so hard … and here we are again. Good vibes only❤Love from Greece 🙏
It really caught my eye at the first listen but now i heard the acoustic version and this went from my fifth place to my first. This captures what eurovision is supposed to be, people coming together celebrating their culture
This video is incredible, so well researched and analyzed. Absolutely fascinating take on Zari. As a proud Athenian, it actually made me a little emotional to think that for the first time an artist so lovingly presented the aspects of our city that we find embarrassing and would rather hide from foreigners.
Congratulations for this fantastic review! Outstanding, well informed, thouroughly researched, utterly enjoyable, witted presentation! I almost run out of worlds trying to describe what i just watched! Probably the best video I have seen in a very very long time on the topics of travel , music and culture of Greece and all this being inspired by a......Eurovision song! Well done, i am genuinely impressed!
I'm amazed at your research and accuracy. One could say that the information on this video could have been only shared by a Greek but you really did your research and you are accurate 100%
@@questmarq7901 back then the law for the conseting age for two people have sex was 18 plus one day with a person over 18 . After 2019 the law gotten edit and the and 18 plus one day changed to 15 plus one day. Back then when he ( Michael) was in the voice music talent show he mentioned that were gossip about those two were having an affair. He refused it on camera.
I live in a part of Florida that gets tons of tourists/snowbirds and I really related to her video. There really is this push and pull between the visitors and the locals. A little poking fun is always warranted, but Marina shows it needn’t be mean-spirited. Our experiences aren’t totally analogous, but there’s a lot in common and I’ve watched this music video about 3000 times. 😅
I loved it! What a superb analysis! So insightful! What can I say? Kudos! This is the good thing about Eurovision, which I very much enjoy. It can create a much larger audience for artists who have a lot to say and offer the world, like Marina Satti. This year, Greece is offering a controversial but very true to our own identity song and a complementing video. So many times we've experienced things on our journeys that had nothing to do with the idyllic images promoted by tourist authorities. But if we take a closer look at the real place and roll the dice with optimism, then, we end up with good memories. That said, Marina rolled the dice and, staying true to herself, she produced some amazing work. We look forward to the competition and hope that she wins, because this kind of work is really so unusual. It's the very definition of "out of the box". Marina is suffering the loss of her father and this is real turning point for her, but we send her our positive thinking and wish the best for her!
I love this channel so much. It makes our eurovision watching party always better with knowing all the trivias behind the artists and their songs. Also it makes me appreciate them more and with deeper connection. Thank you for your work. ♥☺
There is the Pegasus and then there is the Chimera. Both of them are hybrids. The first is an auspicious creature, the latter is a monster. Not every "mixing" is the same. For those with an essential level of perspicacity. . .
Congratulations for your open minded approach to the song, what it represents and the message it conveys. I am Greek who lived abroad and travelled the world 🌍 Came back to my beautiful country and saw all these changes after the economic crisis… we are still battling with the same problems but with a lipstick on and our kind hearts. This will never change. We love people. We appreciate each and every one who visits Greece.💙 We want to enjoy life with all of you! The sense of brotherhood lives in our hearts🇬🇷
She is a true artist. And art has people that love it or hate it. And she is an artist because she is the first to express a side of modern culture in Greece speaking to the generation of 35-45 in a way that its not diminishing it but uplifting it. It is exciting for me to follow her work because she expresses this familiar memory, image and experience that my generation lives everyday. 😊
Why hasn't anyone else made the connection with "Love Actually" so far? It was the first thing that came to my mind when I watched this video clip for the first time. My friend, your research was excellent and your comments right on point. Even most of the Greek commentators cannot grasp the meaning of the song and the video, yet you made it all sound so clear and deep. Thank you! Marina gets 12 points!✌
lol the tourist in his socks and sandals is me! I wore socks and Birkenstocks my entire time I visited New Zealand 😂😅 it's super comfy and supportive for those day walks
@@ar50000 And a minister was speaking about "the tofu eating wokerati," thus throwing Chinese cuisine under the bus. I've also heard people say that certain foodstuffs or music "wasn't for the likes of them" & Angela Rayner was criticised for going to watch opera. Seriously, you guys *need* to get over those insensible "class distinctions" that dictate which foods you can eat or which performance you can enjoy.
You are so right, Marina is so right, and I was so mistaken when I heard ZARI for the first time. This analysis is so true, I got emotional, over my first coffee on Sunday morning. I didn't think I'd watch all 23 minutes of you video, but I did. It was captivating. Thank you. God bless.
I'm just glad the conversation is not about how the Greeks are lazy and broke anymore!!! I moved abroad 7 years ago and didn't want to share my origin just to avoid having the same conversation! Good luck Marina🤟
Greek people are definitely not lazy, I think most people now are aware that Greek people are overworked underpaid and overqualified, and the ones that's still use this negative stereotype just want to be mean, nothing else.
The flute like instrument is traditional and iscalled "Zournas". It is used in other countries as weli. Neighboring to Greece, and even further. "Zournas" isn't only traditional but derives from Greek Antiquity as well !!! In Ancient times it was called "Oxyavlos". From "Oxys" meaning "Sharp", after. the sound it produced, and "Avlos" meaning "Flute".
Knowing that Marina is an M.I.A. fan makes a lot of sense but especially because of her use of car stunts. It reminds me so much of M.I.A.'s video for bad girls. I think Marina has a lot of raw talent and creativity so I hope she goes far.
I nominate your video for a Grammy! As a person living in Germany often travelling around the world, I felt kind of caught in the act. I appreciate Marina's song even more now.
This is such an interesting and in depth analysis. After the initial "shock" of the first listen, I also got the feeling that this song is all about the different images that co-exist in the same geographical areas in different groups of people. Your donut theory really gave me another much deeper perspective into it. I always appreciated Marina's work and I love how she manages to pass serious messages in a satirical way. The fact is that Marina gave us Greeks a mirror to our modern society and culture, and a lot of people didn't like what they saw. These people should use this anger/disgust as fuel for thought and not as means of anger.
My besties are from Finland and USA and have been living in Greece for the last decade. My Finnish bestie lives in Athens and the other one lives in Thessaloniki. They are both married with Greek husbands. They love Greece,the truly enjoy the country, they rarely visit their homelands. They see Greece in a completely different perspective, maybe that's what we need after all.❤ I would also like to mention that downtown Athens is not the entire city. Every city in the world has some seedy neighborhoods and Athens is no exception, yet Southern and Northern Athens where middle class, upper class and rich folks live, is completely and entirely different.😅 Not to mention the fact that Athens is not the entire country and rural Greece is actually quite beautiful and humane. I left Athens a decade ago and have been living my best life ever since.
Beautifully written, edited and presented video. You have done a lot of research! As a Greek, enjoying Marina's music now and then, I did not know all these information about her.
★★★★★ This video shall be shown on ERT Channel, or even better on every Greek TV station. And if I see the tourist on stage, your overthinking would be absolute.
Αυτό το τραγούδι έχει πολλές ακόμα αναγνώσεις κι αυτό που με εκπλήσσει είναι ότι μιλάμε για τον αρχαίο ελληνικό πολιτισμό αγνοώντας ότι η η Ελλάδα εξακολουθεί να παράγει πολιτισμό. Αυτό το τραγούδι σπάει τις παραδοσιακές φόρμες και ενσωματώνει το τωρινό κοινωνικό γίγνεσθαι μέσα απο την τέχνη. Θα μπορούσαν να γίνουν πολλές συγκριτικές μελέτες (με τον ομηρικό ανθρωπο, τη σχέση του πολιτισμού με το πολιτιστικό προϊόν, τις ετεροτητες κ.ο.κ.). Και η Τσεχία περισυ είχε ένα επίσης πολύ ενδιαφέρον τραγούδι. Νιώθω περήφανη που συμμετοχές σαν αυτές πάνε τον σκεπτόμενο κόσμο ένα βήμα μπροστά. Δε περιμένω το ευρωπαϊκό κοινό να μπει σε όλη αυτή τη διαδικασία σκέψης αλλά χαίρομαι που βλέπω όμορφους ανθρώπους, όμορφες τοποθετήσεις, μουσικές "μικρό επαναστάσεις" και την ιδέα "άνθρωπος" σε μια από τις εξοχες στιγμές του.
Marina is an amazing weaver of music and you are a true fan of hers...and we love her very much too....Thanks for the perfect presentation. We win tsipouro, let the kids drink ouzo.....🥰💗💗🌺💗💗🥰
You need to add up just how many Eurovision singers and national final singers have done the foreign language dubs of Disney films. There are more Disney princesses than all Disney theme parks combined!
I am really surprised with your research! I mean OMG! I could guarantee that your content comes from a Greek citizen. GREAT work, GREAT POV. I am now a subscriber for sure.
This was an incredibly insightful video as always, I’m so impressed with Marina and the story and emotion behind this entry…I just wish that sonically I liked it more 😩 I was blown away by some of the clips of her other music you shared and I’m definitely going to check those other songs out, but their sound was really delightful to me and Zari just sounds a bit too chaotic for my ears - even though I know that’s kind of the point and I respect it, it’s not something that has clicked for me yet, not something I actively am excited to listen to. I totally can see why other people have gravitated towards it and I really hope this does super well for Greece and promotes future entries with a similar meaningful context, I just wish I liked the sound of the song more than I do. I can see myself becoming a Marina fan though from some of her other music.
I am a fan of Marina's music and of her personality, and Greek too, but yes, Zari is disappointing acoustically. And no, I am not "offended" like others, I even found the clip amusing. But I strongly believe that Marina could do much better than this patchwork of music styles. Do you want to see how different music styles can be harmoniously combined and accompanied by a brilliant video too? Look at Nemo's Code, which will actually be this year's winning song.
We live in an era that cultures fade away. Subcultures flourish. Marina, loyal to the mandates of her image making, promotes a very specific subculture that flourished in Greece during the crisis era. No wonder the lifo magazine is mentioned. They are masters of the subcultures, like the vice conglomerate. When we analyze enough subcultures, we'll might begin discussing about cultures. That run deep.
From an Eurovision song to its artist Marina Satti, then from ancient Greece to Heidegger, technical reproduction and mutual gaze, I must say that I really enjoyed this video, especially knowing most of the references (because of my profession). I love Eurovision, but I didn't think it could be analysed this way! So cheers to you and good luck to Marina 🍀🎉
How just how! How did you find all this information about Greek music, culture etc. I am Greek, I know most* of the info mentioned but I had never made those connections!! You are amazing! (*I knew nothing about her for sure)... Thank you so so so so so much for this, from someone from the lost Greek generation!!!! PS I did not work on this song and yes, I did not like it, it's not my cup of tea, and thought it was kitsch and full of clichés. It is growing on me for sure though.
It's unbelievable how stupid you make some 'experts' look with your deep dives. Your videos are awesome and should be mandatory viewing for commentary channels.
What an amazing video, there were small elements you mentioned, like about how the song isn't necessarily just about a partner which I thought myself but hadn't seen anywhere else. Just a really enlightening video essay from start to finish about the past, present and future of Greek culture and about well just how smart and talented Marina Satti really is. I hope many many people can see this video!! And yes they should definitely bring the tourist onto the stage, that was a fascinating explanation of the 'mutual gaze', something which can be seen with tourists and locals all around the world.
I was stunned from your analysis. You did some serious work here sir and I would like to thank you for making it much deeper than it seems at first glance. That was awesome. The allegory is expressed as it should. Kudos to you for that brilliant work!!! ❤
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Hello everyone! I'm the ole "Blue Shirt Guy" from Marina's Eurovision video! Truly enjoyed the astute analysis and I have a feeling that Marina and Greece are going to win!
Excellent work! I bet your daughter is super proud. I hope to see you in the green room at Malmö, just strolling around in the background taking pictures of everybody.🧦🩴
@@overthinkingit Thank you Sir!
Thank you ❤❤❤ by Greece ❤
Thank you 🎉 what an excellent part in the great video 😊
@@driadkathank you!!!
Hi, I think I just listened to a PhD Thesis about Marina's Zari !
το τερμάτισε ο φίλος 😂
Me too😂
Being greek, I have been in the proximity of persons whose lives and careers were ruined after the crisis of 2008. I won't deny the first verse "I am falling and rolling like dice" hit a nerve. This is not a gambler's throwing of a dice, we were the dice that were thrown around to fall as they may.
I loved the analysis, btw.
The dice/gambling metaphor (both throwing and being the dice) really works on so many levels. On a personal relationship level it works as gambling on getting back together with an ex, but also being dependent on other circumstances for that to work. As a political metaphor it works as the Greek people being the dice thrown around by politicians in a game that is fundamentally rigged, as any gambling game is. The house (ECB/Troika) always wins. It also makes me think of the lottery ticket sellers and gambling shops. When you have nothing the smallest chance at everything is impossible to resist.
Anyway love the analysis, and love Marina Satti's blend of modern and traditional music sang in her own language. It are the kind of submissions that I've always found the most interesting about Eurovision.
Modern Greece is awesome. Why do you think all Serbs are there every summer? It's like my 2nd home. Much love Hellas, see you soon
Because you don't get along with Croatians. 😀
@@VasilisEmmanouilidis *because Croatia is insanely expensive lol
@@thalassophile_artistmore expensive than Greece? I can hardly believe it.
@@VasilisEmmanouilidis I've been to both countries so I'm speaking from experience. We are actually cool with Croats. Why do you think we give each other 12p each year at eurovision? 😀
@@thalassophile_artist this year I will give my 12 points to Switzerland, sorry. 😁
I don't know when it was the last time that you came to Greece, but it has become insanely expensive lately.
I was 21 years old when I first moved from Norway to Greece in 2017. I knew little about the history, and less about the politics back then. Honestly, I was young and Norwegian - naive, if you will. With that said, my family have regurlarly travelled to Greece during my upbringing, so I still knew a little bit of what kind of culture I was getting into. And what I will say is: I never regret moving to Athens! I love the liveliness of the city and the people. I love the food and how they keep family, friends and neighbours close. I love how honest they are if you ask the Greeks absolutely anything - they don’t hold back. And I love how Marina is showing the rest of the world the Greece that I fell in love with. The perfect mixture of art, architecture and history, and the messiness of the aftermath of the economic crisis and skewed politics and the Greek people trying to work for a better life for themselves and their future. I will always love Greece for what it is when you see beyond the tourist photos, and I feel incredibly lucky and thankful to be able to experience both sides of the tourism «issue», being a western expat in Greece. ❤️
i don't get why people use the word expat and not immigrant
You literally left your country to come here and see all the brown illegal immigrants 😂😂 nice... WHY
@@DemosthenesKar because we all want to feel superior to non-Western immigrants. This is the sad truth and the reason why I insist on saying that I was an "Italian immigrant" when I lived in UK and Germany. And this was the way I was viewed, too. Even though I was studying at University on a scholarship, my German colleagues would ask me if I would stay in Germany and work in an Italian restaurant as a waitress. No joke. This Norwegian woman is as much of an immigrant to Greece as I was to Germany, but accepting that we are all equal on an individual basis is too humbling for some people.
@@mimmiblu6138 Hellenes (Greeks) have been through a lot with wars, invasion, genocide, occupation, civil war, all caused by foreigners. And we have been betrayed by our 'friends and allies' several times. We have fought and lost many people to have our country, our language, our religion, our ethnos in general, so foreigners can come and enjoy themselves, live in our free country, and some come in illegally and collect their benefits. So it is insensitive for foreigners not to call themselves immigrants or 'expats' as if they are part of the indigenous population, but with a different title.
The word you're looking for is immigrant καλή μου 🥺
As an Athenian and major fan of this channel I am so impressed with your thesis on our 2024 Eurovision entry.. it is totally on point and should be taught at university 🥰
I totally agree!!!
society is sick and rotten , highest recorded depression rate in the world , Greece is not booming you bot , its dying
Athenians are Greeks. Οι Αθηναίοι είμαστε Έλληνες.🇬🇷
12 points from Italy
Una faccia, una razza
grazie amico !!
esattoo!! marina satti la queen della grecia hagaga
my guy
this didn't age well
@@deggho5877 La queen della Grecia??? Assolutamente no! Questo e' derisione!
Rebetiko was the rap music of Greece's 1920s-30s, the street's music
I d say it was more like the American blues, they even had some joint blues/rebetiko concerts in the past.Both of em were born from pain and suffering.
I cant believe this channel isnt so much bigger!!!! Such high quality videos, i get more and more amazed every year!
Agree completely. But then Eurovision has become increasingly more interesting too over the years. Showing off the diversity and blending (yes, new fav word) that is Europe.
ZARI enchanted me since I first saw it. I never imagined that Athens would be so similar to the center of São Paulo, I felt connected right away.
That doesn't sound good for Athens 😐
As a greek I also feel a huge connection to brazil, after getting to know the country
@@zoebaggins90your reply definitely holds a racist undertone 🥱
That's actually downtown center, like most cities in the world every major city has a couple of seedy neighborhoods. Southern and Northern Athens is definitely not like that, because middle class and upper class live there.😅
@@chamberv5261 i don't know what her true intentions were with that comment but it still rings true because the center of são paulo is probably the most fucked up place in latin america right now. you're lucky if you get out of there without being stabbed
As a Greek, once I grasped the purpose of ZARI's videoclip, I thought it was a wonderful serving of reality to some of my compatriots that can be extremely pretentious.
Yianna Terzi (2018) was robbed.
Proof Eurovision often sacrifices style.
@@RHope7i hated the entry
@marios1861 🙁 Nothing wrong with rescuing a bird from the toxic.
@christosliakis519 we are not pretentious. we know what the video is showing is real. and we want to showcase the beautiful aspects of our country, not the ugly.
@@nickb1156 Both aspects are there, though. We shouldn't want to lie our asses off to visitors that Greece is this ideal place, oh here see the acropolis, have some choriatiki. Greece is also chaotic and very Balkan.
OH. MY . GOD.
Who are you???
How did you manage to put in so much depth and very accurate nuances into this analysis?
First time in your channel, you tube gave it in my feed.
I am mesmerised, and totally hooked! Will be bonge watching ALL your videos!
Well done!
This channel has been my original review and analysis goto for a while now! They have been my
Eurovision "partner" for years love em!
She’s a genius and I love her she deserves to win all the way. And Greece finally deserves a win after all those years of struggle
If this is the win we get after all these years ... yea thanks, I will pass ... next! (no offense, I know you mean well)
As a greek living abroad, I always get people asking me what to do in Greece. I have heard so many times other Greeks of diaspora to draw a picture of a dreamy greek experience with ancient monuments and good food. I am so tired of this, like trying to hide what they run away from but this is not the real image of Greece. And when the foreigners come back having experienced real greek life, they are even more impressed. This is what we are and that's why I love Marina so much! I hope she wins because she is an amazing artist!
All countries have positive and negative aspects. Presenting Greece as a dreamy land is equally annoying with presenting it like an endless mess.
@@Marios_Gr agree but in this case Marina didn't present an endless mess. Judging from the reactions of non Greeks, the images and the atmosphere presented in the music video is very familiar to anyone that has been to Greece at least once. Marina did a great job with combining the touristic cliché and the real urban life
@@tkalafata I disagree, she is promoting a certain folkloric, even decadent, aspect of the Greek society. Yes, this is a part of Greece, but it's not the only part. Showing all the time only that is a certain choice.
Well, what Marina is showing in the video is nothing you have to be proud of! And not all tourists agree with you! They choose to see monuments and sites! Because that is Greece! A whole country of history and civilization! Anything else is just for fun and... discrase!
@@A.Man.From.Cyprus what Marina shows in the video is part of everyday life in Athens. The food, the traffic, the tourists, the crazy car rides, the tavernas with old people and the old lady sitting outside. What is not true from all this? Who said anything about pride? Showing the everyday life in Athens is a choice Marina and her team made instead of showing again just monuments. Greece is history and monuments and beaches but it's also this. Fun, crazy, boring, beautiful and ugly reality. Also don't forget that this is actually what Marina and her team chose to show, so it has to do with their artistic aesthetic as well. It's not a documentary it's just a music video!!
So cool to see Americans genuinely enjoying Eurovision.
😅 we will be happy to enjoy it from afar. We even have a pretty good commentary person in Johnny Weir.
It is the coolest thing because it is like being the only person around you who has access to amazing music
Eurovision feels like such an American thing that I am thinking that we only invented in to poke America in the eye
Proud New Yorker here who loves Eurovision for 10yrs!!😍
This is my favourite Greek entry I've ever heard! 12 points for Marina 🎲🇬🇷🫶🏽
Ι'm Greek and it's the worst song I've ever heard
As an Argentinian who lived in Greece for a very short time in the early 2000s, i loved your analysis. Thanks
These videos make Eurovision so much better, thank you for your deep analysis again!
Our Greek State owned TV organization done well for choosing Marina, And I really don't care if Our song comes first or in whatever position. All I care about is the fact that we are represented by a girl with message for our future, in other words YES ! Culture doesn't care about political borders and I am happy because our Country does something in order to make the world remember that.
The work behind this video is impressive. All the information are on point and well researched. Kudos to the team. Also the pronunciation of Greeks names is also impressively good.
What a great analysis!! I'm very disconnected of Eurovision this year, but Zari and Marina Satti is definitely one of my highlights already. I *LOVED* the video because it represented so well my own perception of the country when I visited. When I went I was expecting something like Rome, and what I found was a sheer contrast between the carefully curated (albeit still chaotic, like we see on the video) tourist streets and more run down and depressed streets. It was a continuous contrast that really enriched my whole experience. I felt like a tourist all the time and still lived through many experiences that felt more like an authentic touch of the actual life of Greece and how complex modern Greece is. I really hope Marina wins!!
Athens and Athenians do not represent all of Greece
I imagine, Greece is a big country with a lot of different subcultures inside. In fact my best experiences and memories are from Thessaloniki ^^
I cannot believe the amount of work you did for this. WOW! WOW, WOW. Really, wow!
This video should go VIRAL!
As a greek overthinker, thank you for taking the time to create such a thorough video. By the way, Zari contains several easter eggs in the rythm and the lyrics, hinting Marina's old songs. Say what you wish about her work but she knows exactly what she's doing!
as a girlie who was born and raised in izmir to an ethnically greek mom and a local turkic dad, and currently living in varna, i just felt at home when i saw the music video of zari as i did when i first moved into varna. it is always going to be so fascinating to me how a place where people don't speak your language can feel like 'home' and look like your entire childhood. i was so shocked when i saw greek people didn't like it, as probably turkish people would do too lol,, our people are always so anxious about looking ''european'' enough which is kinda stupid to me, we are never going to be like them no matter how much we try and simply we don't have to. i was complaning about a lot of things about our culture and people as marina did but growing up and realizing your roots, embracing and becoming more of it is a part of today's generational experience i think.
Love your comment 👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️
Finally someone said it! Thank you for this comment 🙌
This is common and great with serious musicians.Music does NOT have borders.And in the case of Greek/Turkish/Balcan music this is even more the case.
@@havocgr1976 exactly, music has no borders indeed but for our case it is even more special, i think. we have a saying in turkish ''same shit but in a different color'' to refer to a thing which is kinda same but slightly different and i said it while i was talking to my greek friend about cultural stuff and she told me ''girl our color isn't even different, WE ARE THE SAME SHITT!!!'' and i kinda agree with her. despite some ethnical and religious background differences and propagandas of stupid politicians, we are no different than siblings fighting but still loving each other. i will not forget the memories of me bonding with balkanians in a room full of western europeans, dancing to chalga and traumatising poor westerns 😂
Man I'mpressed by your thorough and documented job, Want more
As a greek who was raised in Athens and who currently lives for the first time abroad (in Germany), I feel astounded by things that are not so engraved in our culture the same way they are in central Europe, such as bike mentality or even the way recycling is done. When I get asked about my home country and why I like it being here since 'I speak the Language of Plato and was raised where he once stood and that should be enough', I sometimes reveal some of the not so perfect aspects of Greece that totally represent modern times. Its funny how people believe that our motherland is just a living museum, a dead country that lives through its past and just exists to share its best ancient qualities with the rest of the world while being completely inactive. Showing our imperfections and everyday lives is to me like showing our truth, we are far from perfect and also we are so much more than our great ancestors. We are blessed with the sun and sceneries with rare beauty, but they dont belong to us. I feel odd feeling proud solely due to the fact that I was born greek. We, my generation and the next to come, admire and love our cultural heritage, but we also live for today and try to wear our national flag with pride for todays achievements while we continue writing history. Marina really shocked the world with how true she is and thats why, in my opinion, that is the best type of marketing and advertisement she could have done. Thank you for all the journey, Marina. Best of luck in Malmö!
Επική ανάλυση! Με εκφράζει απόλυτα. Πολλοί μορφωμένοι κ έξυπνοι Έλληνες εκτός Ελλάδας δυστυχώς... Φοβάμαι ότι το μέλλον δεν είναι λαμπρό για την Ελλάδα, δεν μπορούμε να μείνουμε Ελλάδα κ να συντονιστούμε. Μόνο έτσι κάνεις πολιτισμό, με σεβασμό σε αυτά που κληρονόμησες
Το θεμα είναι το όραμα που έχουμε και οχι τα απομεινάρια της αποτυχημένης μεταπολίτευσης.
Still, downtown center of Athens is not the entire city, we all know that middle class, upper class and rich folks,live in northern and southern Athens and life there is very different. Not to mention the fact that Athens is not the entire country, rural Greece is a quite beautiful actually.
I saw some video reactions for Marina Satti's song.
Few have bothered about whether there is any meaning behind the video clip or the lyrics of the song, as well as whether the mixing of different musical sounds means anything.
Even fewer were those who really understood what Marina Sati wanted to give and what exactly she wanted to indicate.
Many thanks for the explanations you gave. I dare to say that it almost looked like a mini documentary, unfolding multiple levels of understanding, about what Marina wanted to say about Greece and the Greeks.
Είδα το βίντεο και παρόλο που λατρεύω τη Μαρίνα εδώ και χρόνια, έμαθα τόσα πολλά. Σ' ευχαριστούμε πολύ για την δουλειά σου και που μας δείχνεις τι σημαίνει ρεπορτάζ ❤
I'm a born and raised Greek that used to be obsessed with leaving Greece and in certain instances I was ashamed of stating ny nationality while living abroad. I returned to Greece 2012 and I have shifted my mindset so much as regardless of the economic situation and the corrupted government, I find the life quality here much much better than let's say some of the Western European countries that I lived in and are undeniably way more developed and financially stable. That being said, I have loved Marina from Koupes onward and I love what she does with her videos. Some Greeks that have my old mindset (of shame) find this an offensive depiction of Greece but what I see in her videos is the pride and confidence to say "THIS is who we really are, take it or leave it". And I love her for it. We have to stop pretending that we are "Europeans" because of geography. Our culture is SO old and colorful and mixed...in a way, I feel that some Greeks try to export an image of the all white statues and marbles forgetting that they only look this way because their vibrant colors have been washed away by the years and the weather trials. This is us. We have been here for yeard, we have been through one shit storm after the other but we're still colorful and vibrant and to my fellow Greeks who don't want to admit it let me say one thing. Be proud of who you are, not of who you want to be. GO Marina, win or no win, I'm 💯 in! Maybe the first time I'm interested in Eurovision....
Some of us don't like the state of our country though, which is why we hate it. She took the worst elements from modern greek pop and rap and mushed them together to create something even more horrible. Absolutely, apprehensible.
And no, this isn't us trying to look "European" (whatever that means). Greece has a lot things to be proud of with its rich history and culture, the degradation of the last decades is nothing to be proud of though. We should try to improve our nation, not revel in its pathetic current state.
@@NickStrife well, that's just, like, your opinion man xddd
You are exactly what is being criticized here. This is like being ashamed of your son because he works in a burger joint while studying in college. If you don't love your son, or your country as it is, at their lows, you don't really love them.
@@ZoeSensei92 I am free to express my opinion like you do. Your irrelevant parallels are no real arguments btw.
My point still stands, and the fact most juries ignored this song speaks volumes of how bad it was.
Loving my country doesn't mean liking its lackluster music industry as well.
Marina will be such an iconic winner
We wish we could win but it’s highly unlike… There are countries that will get much more support
Its actually not that unlikely i think you have a pretty good chance of winning this year @@CodeCompani
Yes,i totally agree with you
I remember how disappointed I was as a teenager visiting Athens in the 90s, as someone completely obsessed with Greek mythology and architecture. I still go to Greece as much as I can. It's in my blood, just like it's in the blood of about a quarter of the world's population 🥰
This channel should be required viewing for every person and jury member before they can vote. I always learn new things that make me appreciate the entries even more. This post is no exception! (Thanks for the tip that the song could be about Greece itself and not a lover - that makes the lyrics so much more meaningful!)
That was a really, really, really detailed analysis of Greece's Eurovision song and artist entry!!
If I was a stage creative director for Greece this year: When the song goes to that part where Marina stops the video saying “Opa opa opa” almost like something interrupting her dance routine, in that part the tourist does a cameo on stage LIVE interrupting the performance just by crossing it. Almost as if he is lost and accidentally ended up on stage. It could also be a reference to a few cases when other Eurovision contenders had a similar experience, a stranger interrupting their performance live on stage. We first saw that In 2010 when Jimmy Jump interfered the Spanish Eurovision act as he went on stage during Daniel Diges’ performance. Also Vitaly Sedyuk aka Eurovision’s Naked Butt Guy stage bombed Jamala at the Eurovision Grand Final 2017 during her interval performance. Lastly, during SuRie’s performance for the UK in 2018 in Lisbon, where a stage invader Dr ACactivism grabbed her microphone to scream “Nazis of the UK media, we demand freedom” before he was wrestled from the stage.
I think it would be a clever idea to include the German tourist but also make a statement and create a viral sensation. It will help the song with the Televoting for sure.
Alternatively, you can have Windows 95 Man walking across the stage in his socks and sandals: saves money.
You completely spoke my mind.
i also though it could be interesting if in that part she grabbed the camera like if she was doing a vlog (similar to what she does in the music video). idek if they could pull that off but it would be funny
@@cookiemonster3066 her choreographer has done a small reel on his Instagram account showing a dance routine for this specific part and he slaps the camera.
Not only did she show how we really are but, crucially, how we sell ourselves to the outside, because we’ve convinced ourselves tourism is all we have, and that we need to be more like Western Europeans or US-ians. We even get embarrassed to use Greek in international spaces because we think we “should” be speaking English. She did a brilliant not just showing what (part) of what the country is really about, but also satirizing how (we let) tourists see us. Μπραβο της! Ένα πόντο και να μην πάρει έχει κάνει εξαιρετική δουλειά.
As a Greek, I can assure you aswell that the blue shirt tourist guy is indeed what we usually see here in Greece from many Germans, in other words, a stereotypical German tourist in Greece xd.
I have taken a photo with that Mickey Mouse, it actually came up and pretty much forced me to take a picture which then I had to pay for xd.
Mantissa was the song that made Marina Satti known to most of Greece. It became viral pretty quick.
The song, or specifically, the video, indeed triggered a lot of fuss in Greece, which we haven't seen for many years. It's the first time since 2005 that our Eurovision participation is being discussed by the media soooo much.
And people forget that Zari may not be likable by many Greeks, but it's what the rest of the world will decide to vote or no. And Zari depicts indeed what Greece is actually, for those who haven't come to Greece. There are tourist traps indeed, but there are also places with important history aswell but are neglected due to not being profitable enough for the archaeology service/state...
Thank you for this video. Great job.
Oh, and what the modern Greece is, the image that the video depicts, is in my opinion what some other countries have aswell, not so unique. It's subjective though, but it's the combination of climate, the people you meet, that makes your time in Greece, or any other country, great or no. So, even if the tourism is the main industry of Greece, the popular things like ancient monuments and beaches and stuff, isn't necessarily the only things that a tourist should look for. And I know for sure many tourists who come to Greece for a, what could be called, alternative tourism.
thank you for explaining what we Greeks go through for almost half of the year
I have never heard a more established and well-supported opinion than this one on youtube! Well done! Your references are amazing!
I’m speechless with your analysis. You gave us ,an absolutely perfect one. When the song came out , I saw many reactions from people and I truly couldn’t understand why some of them were against it and they couldn’t react by using their brains first than their tongues…
Greece had almost 2 terrible decades with the crisis , we lost many of us especially from committing suicides , also some of our dignity mostly, from what our friends from North Europe said about us (in general) and they didn’t specify their opinion (about our corrupted politics and their policies)..( they said that the majority of us are lazy , that we don’t pay our taxes etc)..
As I said we lost some from our dignity yes , but we never let them make us believe that they know us better than us.
Greece is what Marina gives you in our song , is our people in our streets is our Mediterranean happiness and hospitality, is our sadness for our stolen Marbles of Parthenon and many other things in our everyday life .
But our culture and our dna always forgives but never forgets.
For that reason Marina gave some donuts to our ( German friend) and at the end “ it doesn’t even matter” we tried so hard … and here we are again. Good vibes only❤Love from Greece 🙏
Thats exactly how I felt. Greek songs in general that hit the grounds always carrying a "secret" philosophical message
It really caught my eye at the first listen but now i heard the acoustic version and this went from my fifth place to my first. This captures what eurovision is supposed to be, people coming together celebrating their culture
This video is incredible, so well researched and analyzed. Absolutely fascinating take on Zari. As a proud Athenian, it actually made me a little emotional to think that for the first time an artist so lovingly presented the aspects of our city that we find embarrassing and would rather hide from foreigners.
Congratulations for this fantastic review! Outstanding, well informed, thouroughly researched, utterly enjoyable, witted presentation! I almost run out of worlds trying to describe what i just watched!
Probably the best video I have seen in a very very long time on the topics of travel , music and culture of Greece and all this being inspired by a......Eurovision song!
Well done, i am genuinely impressed!
I'm sure this has been said many times before but the amount of research these guys do is insane... They legit take Eurovision to a whole new level.
I'm amazed at your research and accuracy. One could say that the information on this video could have been only shared by a Greek but you really did your research and you are accurate 100%
Fun fact: michalis kouinelis (mentioned towards the start of the video) is ivi adamou (cyprus 2012)‘s husband
They are not married. They are spouses. They have a child together as well.
Fun Fact: Michalis Kouinelis was recording songs with Ivi Adamou since she was underage, in his house for 2 weeks, when he was above 30... 😉🤫🤭😏
@@questmarq7901 back then the law for the conseting age for two people have sex was 18 plus one day with a person over 18 . After 2019 the law gotten edit and the and 18 plus one day changed to 15 plus one day.
Back then when he ( Michael) was in the voice music talent show he mentioned that were gossip about those two were having an affair. He refused it on camera.
@@grgamer8470 i hope u didnt believe that haahahahah btw this what we call "Grooming"
@@questmarq7901 thanks for the correction! I was in dilemma in my mind because the " groups" for the bands felt like more reasonable term.
I live in a part of Florida that gets tons of tourists/snowbirds and I really related to her video. There really is this push and pull between the visitors and the locals. A little poking fun is always warranted, but Marina shows it needn’t be mean-spirited. Our experiences aren’t totally analogous, but there’s a lot in common and I’ve watched this music video about 3000 times. 😅
Your best video of the 2024 season, imo. I actually cried a little at the end. What a thoughtful and beautiful analysis of this song and its context.
Thanks so much! But the season ain't over yet and I'm gonna try and top this. -MB
I loved it! What a superb analysis! So insightful! What can I say? Kudos! This is the good thing about Eurovision, which I very much enjoy. It can create a much larger audience for artists who have a lot to say and offer the world, like Marina Satti. This year, Greece is offering a controversial but very true to our own identity song and a complementing video. So many times we've experienced things on our journeys that had nothing to do with the idyllic images promoted by tourist authorities. But if we take a closer look at the real place and roll the dice with optimism, then, we end up with good memories. That said, Marina rolled the dice and, staying true to herself, she produced some amazing work. We look forward to the competition and hope that she wins, because this kind of work is really so unusual. It's the very definition of "out of the box". Marina is suffering the loss of her father and this is real turning point for her, but we send her our positive thinking and wish the best for her!
I love this channel so much. It makes our eurovision watching party always better with knowing all the trivias behind the artists and their songs. Also it makes me appreciate them more and with deeper connection. Thank you for your work. ♥☺
There is the Pegasus and then there is the Chimera. Both of them are hybrids. The first is an auspicious creature, the latter is a monster. Not every "mixing" is the same.
For those with an essential level of perspicacity. . .
Congratulations for your open minded approach to the song, what it represents and the message it conveys.
I am Greek who lived abroad and travelled the world 🌍 Came back to my beautiful country and saw all these changes after the economic crisis… we are still battling with the same problems but with a lipstick on and our kind hearts. This will never change. We love people. We appreciate each and every one who visits Greece.💙 We want to enjoy life with all of you! The sense of brotherhood lives in our hearts🇬🇷
WOW...!!!😮 What an accurate and detailed analysis....!!! 👏👏👏
She is a true artist. And art has people that love it or hate it. And she is an artist because she is the first to express a side of modern culture in Greece speaking to the generation of 35-45 in a way that its not diminishing it but uplifting it. It is exciting for me to follow her work because she expresses this familiar memory, image and experience that my generation lives everyday. 😊
Splendid analysis. Thanks for this. Ευχαριστούμε για την έξοχη κι εύστοχη ανάλυση του τραγουδιού της Μαρίνας
Why hasn't anyone else made the connection with "Love Actually" so far?
It was the first thing that came to my mind when I watched this video clip for the first time.
My friend, your research was excellent and your comments right on point.
Even most of the Greek commentators cannot grasp the meaning of the song and the video,
yet you made it all sound so clear and deep.
Thank you!
Marina gets 12 points!✌
lol the tourist in his socks and sandals is me! I wore socks and Birkenstocks my entire time I visited New Zealand 😂😅 it's super comfy and supportive for those day walks
In the UK, you would be considered a member of the Liberal Democrat Party. Get the cous cous ready!
@@ar50000 And a minister was speaking about "the tofu eating wokerati," thus throwing Chinese cuisine under the bus. I've also heard people say that certain foodstuffs or music "wasn't for the likes of them" & Angela Rayner was criticised for going to watch opera.
Seriously, you guys *need* to get over those insensible "class distinctions" that dictate which foods you can eat or which performance you can enjoy.
@@LeafHuntress I thought the "tofu" was more about dissing vegans and trendy, faddy (left wing) eaters.
You are so right, Marina is so right, and I was so mistaken when I heard ZARI for the first time.
This analysis is so true, I got emotional, over my first coffee on Sunday morning. I didn't think I'd watch all 23 minutes of you video, but I did. It was captivating. Thank you. God bless.
This video is such a great analysis of Marina Satti as a singer
I'm just glad the conversation is not about how the Greeks are lazy and broke anymore!!! I moved abroad 7 years ago and didn't want to share my origin just to avoid having the same conversation! Good luck Marina🤟
Ούτε καν. Στο εξωτερικό ειναι πιο τεμπέληδες.
Greek people are definitely not lazy, I think most people now are aware that Greek people are overworked underpaid and overqualified, and the ones that's still use this negative stereotype just want to be mean, nothing else.
@beebeeq1514 this is true! If you are not Greek then this comment is even more appreciated! Thank you!🙏
@@sofiae123 I am Greek and believe me when I say to you that many many Greeks did not appreciate what happened.
The flute like instrument is traditional and iscalled "Zournas". It is used in other countries as weli. Neighboring to Greece, and even further. "Zournas" isn't only traditional but derives from Greek Antiquity as well !!!
In Ancient times it was called "Oxyavlos". From "Oxys" meaning "Sharp", after. the sound it produced, and "Avlos" meaning "Flute".
Ty so much for this amazing video we Greeeks feel honored from you ❤ 🥰🇬🇷
Wow, this was such an accurate and in depth analysis, that pointed out aspects I hadn't thought about yet. Bravo from Greece!
Wow! Coming from Greece, I found this analysis very moving. Thank you!
Finally a video i can actually share about ZARI. You might be one of the few people that got it.. Both domestic and international..
ΜΑΝΤΙΣΣΑ???? I love that song!!! guess I knew her this whole time wow
Greece is a potential dark horse in this year's competition, for me !
Best thesis and analysis so far - incredibly on point and even further! Efharisto 🙂
Knowing that Marina is an M.I.A. fan makes a lot of sense but especially because of her use of car stunts. It reminds me so much of M.I.A.'s video for bad girls. I think Marina has a lot of raw talent and creativity so I hope she goes far.
It's part of our everyday lives in Greece too, Greeks love to fix up and race or drift cars. It's just an element we share.
I nominate your video for a Grammy!
As a person living in Germany often travelling around the world, I felt kind of caught in the act. I appreciate Marina's song even more now.
Another great video and deep dive. My mind is thoroughly blown
Amazing analysis! So to the point and so true!Most of all so well justified!
Marina video made me actually want to go to Greece, 10/10 turism add
I am shocked at how accurate this video is. Probably the best analysis I have heard, including Greek critiques. Kudos to you !
I’m Greek and I didn’t know some of the facts spotted. Wow what a perfect survey for marina 🔥
This is such an interesting and in depth analysis. After the initial "shock" of the first listen, I also got the feeling that this song is all about the different images that co-exist in the same geographical areas in different groups of people. Your donut theory really gave me another much deeper perspective into it. I always appreciated Marina's work and I love how she manages to pass serious messages in a satirical way.
The fact is that Marina gave us Greeks a mirror to our modern society and culture, and a lot of people didn't like what they saw. These people should use this anger/disgust as fuel for thought and not as means of anger.
My besties are from Finland and USA and have been living in Greece for the last decade. My Finnish bestie lives in Athens and the other one lives in Thessaloniki. They are both married with Greek husbands. They love Greece,the truly enjoy the country, they rarely visit their homelands. They see Greece in a completely different perspective, maybe that's what we need after all.❤ I would also like to mention that downtown Athens is not the entire city. Every city in the world has some seedy neighborhoods and Athens is no exception, yet Southern and Northern Athens where middle class, upper class and rich folks live, is completely and entirely different.😅 Not to mention the fact that Athens is not the entire country and rural Greece is actually quite beautiful and humane. I left Athens a decade ago and have been living my best life ever since.
Beautifully written, edited and presented video. You have done a lot of research! As a Greek, enjoying Marina's music now and then, I did not know all these information about her.
Brilliant analysis! It deeply resonates with my take on the song and video clip. Thank you for so excellently voicing it.
★★★★★
This video shall be shown on ERT Channel, or even better on every Greek TV station. And if I see the tourist on stage, your overthinking would be absolute.
💗M I N D B L O W N 💗
didn't think I could love this song anymore, but here we are
Αυτό το τραγούδι έχει πολλές ακόμα αναγνώσεις κι αυτό που με εκπλήσσει είναι ότι μιλάμε για τον αρχαίο ελληνικό πολιτισμό αγνοώντας ότι η η Ελλάδα εξακολουθεί να παράγει πολιτισμό. Αυτό το τραγούδι σπάει τις παραδοσιακές φόρμες και ενσωματώνει το τωρινό κοινωνικό γίγνεσθαι μέσα απο την τέχνη. Θα μπορούσαν να γίνουν πολλές συγκριτικές μελέτες (με τον ομηρικό ανθρωπο, τη σχέση του πολιτισμού με το πολιτιστικό προϊόν, τις ετεροτητες κ.ο.κ.). Και η Τσεχία περισυ είχε ένα επίσης πολύ ενδιαφέρον τραγούδι. Νιώθω περήφανη που συμμετοχές σαν αυτές πάνε τον σκεπτόμενο κόσμο ένα βήμα μπροστά. Δε περιμένω το ευρωπαϊκό κοινό να μπει σε όλη αυτή τη διαδικασία σκέψης αλλά χαίρομαι που βλέπω όμορφους ανθρώπους, όμορφες τοποθετήσεις, μουσικές "μικρό επαναστάσεις" και την ιδέα "άνθρωπος" σε μια από τις εξοχες στιγμές του.
Marina is an amazing weaver of music and you are a true fan of hers...and we love her very much too....Thanks for the perfect presentation. We win tsipouro, let the kids drink ouzo.....🥰💗💗🌺💗💗🥰
You need to add up just how many Eurovision singers and national final singers have done the foreign language dubs of Disney films. There are more Disney princesses than all Disney theme parks combined!
I am really surprised with your research! I mean OMG! I could guarantee that your content comes from a Greek citizen. GREAT work, GREAT POV. I am now a subscriber for sure.
This was an incredibly insightful video as always, I’m so impressed with Marina and the story and emotion behind this entry…I just wish that sonically I liked it more 😩 I was blown away by some of the clips of her other music you shared and I’m definitely going to check those other songs out, but their sound was really delightful to me and Zari just sounds a bit too chaotic for my ears - even though I know that’s kind of the point and I respect it, it’s not something that has clicked for me yet, not something I actively am excited to listen to. I totally can see why other people have gravitated towards it and I really hope this does super well for Greece and promotes future entries with a similar meaningful context, I just wish I liked the sound of the song more than I do. I can see myself becoming a Marina fan though from some of her other music.
I am a fan of Marina's music and of her personality, and Greek too, but yes, Zari is disappointing acoustically. And no, I am not "offended" like others, I even found the clip amusing. But I strongly believe that Marina could do much better than this patchwork of music styles. Do you want to see how different music styles can be harmoniously combined and accompanied by a brilliant video too? Look at Nemo's Code, which will actually be this year's winning song.
This analysis gave me goosebumps 🥹
We live in an era that cultures fade away. Subcultures flourish.
Marina, loyal to the mandates of her image making, promotes a very specific subculture that flourished in Greece during the crisis era.
No wonder the lifo magazine is mentioned. They are masters of the subcultures, like the vice conglomerate.
When we analyze enough subcultures, we'll might begin discussing about cultures. That run deep.
oooh the setup of how she used the donuts symbol over three videos sooo good
Yeah when I saw the donuts in multiple videos it was like the moment at the end of The Usual Suspects where it all comes together. -MB
A large part of the microplastics polluting our waters is from cars tires. Doing that deliberately seems insane to me.
From an Eurovision song to its artist Marina Satti, then from ancient Greece to Heidegger, technical reproduction and mutual gaze, I must say that I really enjoyed this video, especially knowing most of the references (because of my profession). I love Eurovision, but I didn't think it could be analysed this way! So cheers to you and good luck to Marina 🍀🎉
How just how! How did you find all this information about Greek music, culture etc. I am Greek, I know most* of the info mentioned but I had never made those connections!! You are amazing! (*I knew nothing about her for sure)... Thank you so so so so so much for this, from someone from the lost Greek generation!!!!
PS I did not work on this song and yes, I did not like it, it's not my cup of tea, and thought it was kitsch and full of clichés. It is growing on me for sure though.
It's unbelievable how stupid you make some 'experts' look with your deep dives.
Your videos are awesome and should be mandatory viewing for commentary channels.
What an amazing video, there were small elements you mentioned, like about how the song isn't necessarily just about a partner which I thought myself but hadn't seen anywhere else. Just a really enlightening video essay from start to finish about the past, present and future of Greek culture and about well just how smart and talented Marina Satti really is. I hope many many people can see this video!! And yes they should definitely bring the tourist onto the stage, that was a fascinating explanation of the 'mutual gaze', something which can be seen with tourists and locals all around the world.
I was stunned from your analysis. You did some serious work here sir and I would like to thank you for making it much deeper than it seems at first glance. That was awesome. The allegory is expressed as it should. Kudos to you for that brilliant work!!! ❤
Wow - that was amazing. Fantastic research and presentation. Thank you.
Again, you lot.
Insane research, you guys are an immense pleasure to watch ❤️
Excellent work on this, really impressed of all these sources, bravo
Omg this entire analysis just blew my mind. New sub right here!!