They need to put the 3.3 TTDV6 in other models and not just the LC300. But it's Toyota so you know they won't. They'll boost up a hamster with methamphetamine under the hood instead of just putting that engine in.
Well I am very happy with my LC 150 2.8 diesel. Plenty of pulling power, very comfortable and will go anywhere. On the motorway at 120kph its ticking over at a leisurely 1700rpm in 6th gear, which it will stay in even going up hill. You hear people complaining that the 2.8 isnt powerful enough. They either haven't driven an lc with the 2.8 or they are expecting it to out accelerate a porsche, or they simply don't know what they are talking about. This was a great comparison video by the way.
Bring back an upgraded 7 bearing inline 6 cylinder 1HDFTE 24 valve turbo diesel modified to meet Euro 5 spec I say, most reliable diesel Toyota ever produced, stump pulling torque from 1400 rpm to 3200 rpm, easy to work on and easily capable of 700,000 klm, some have achieved a 1,000.000klm if well serviced. Even though this engine originally only had 1kw more power than the 2.8 litr (150kw)and 70nm less torque, at 430 nm, vs 500nm the spread of torque is spectacular. And a lot easier to service and replace a starter motor! Jus sayin'
Considering as of next year the grubberment want emissions on diesels cut by 65% that will never happen. Isuzu has pulled out, and Toyota already got caught cheating this year with the 2.8 to meet emissions as it is so they're bailing and possibly going hybrid. You won't see anything close to a 1HDFTE again unfortunately.
Love your work Matt. Your reviews are going from strength to strength: informative, engaging and huge fun. My V8 Troopy with the stock 225 95 R16 tyres (33") keeps the revs down at highway speed where I average c. 11.5 l/100km and under 2000 rpm cruising at 100km/h. On the Canning Stock Route I averaged 12.3 l/100km. This said, I don't tow and no roofrack. From a longevity and purist point of view, V8 hands down as there's no replacement for cubic centimetres.
Nice video! I have a 2021 Hilux 2.8. Bought it brand new and strangely enough, the oil consumption was not a issue at all, no need to top up the oil, just followed the service intervals. I have driven it just over 40000km. But the DPF-regen happens often, every 200-250km. All in all, no issues with the engine. And yes, the towing capacity is great too! 3500kg heavy trailer is no problem for the engine and driveline to pull. Such a shame that we cant buy this Land Cruiser new here in Norway though :(
The turbo device is not suitable for hot countries. People love simple, uncomplicated engines. Whenever the engine becomes more complicated, it becomes a prisoner of the workshops.
I think you’ve reached a very sensible and accurate conclusion. I’ve finally received my 76 V8 after a 21 month wait. After getting used to the feel of it, I’d love to take the four pot for a test drive to feel the difference.
Ronny Dahl tested his 2013 tuned v8 vs the new 4cyl auto(not tuned), the 4cyl convincingly beat the v8 when towing a large caravan up a steep hill The v8 was on 35" tires tho so that has to be taken in to account.
I absolutely LOVE the 70 series CRUISERS. I don’t give af what anyone says! People spend millions on cars so debunk the its overpriced argument. I’ve gone around Aus in my 79 V8 and plan to do it again :D
Great review! Pity, we don't get the 2-Door Land Cruiser here as seen in the Middle East. It costs roughly $70k and has the 1GR-FE, V6 with a 5-speed manual...That would be awesome! Check out Mawater Arabia for a look at the 2024 model.
@@Andrew-hu1bx yeah I did, I can work with the V8 and modify + tune it to my liking better than the other one. You clearly liked the 2.8 Hilux engine? DGAF bout the warranty.
At the company where I work (mining in Papua), they chose the 2024 version with a 4.5L V8 engine (Troop Carrier) and there are already several units arriving.
This is a very stupid comment, “it has to be the V8” No mate it doesn’t, the V8 is actually the worst landcruiser engine that they’ve built. What you need is a turbo diesel inline 6
Maximum power and torque are factors auto journalists always want to talk about most. A Land Cruiser is more than that. This legendary status was not aquired for it's power or torque but for it reliability, low cost and ease of maintenance. From 2007, Toyota Land Cruiser has moved properly into the era of electronic, only time will tell if this bread of Land Cruiser will match the durability and duration of the legend. Land Cruise inline six cylinder diesel engines are part and parcel of this legend. The reason the four cylinder engine has limited tuning upgrades is it is stressed to the max from the factory, where as the V8 is built for longevity. If you use all the four cylinder has to offer the service life will fall short of expectation. A good rule of thumb for anything machinical use only 70% of it capacity and it will serve you well. Of forty-eight years of Land Cruiser ownership it would be a hard sell to down grade into this generation. Cheers
When a die hard v8 toyota lover like Ronny Dalh puts out a video showing the stock 2.8 trouncing his tuned v8 in a tow test you just cant argue the point the v8 can lay down some dyno numbers but its so inefficient in actually putting that torque to work.
@@danefrancis9191 The tyres alone make a huge difference, even when tuned. If both vehicles were stock, the 4 would win anyway, as 500Nm trumps 430Nm any day, especially in a lighter vehicle that's an auto with an extra gear.
I've got the new V8 troopy, only done 500ks and my fuel economy is at 10.4 per 100 and that's half highway and the rest short runs down the beach or onto the salt flats and around town. I'd like to see a side by side fuel consumption between the 4 and V8, according to my result the V8 is better on fuel?
Thanks for the video. After all the hustle and bustle, the V8 is the clear winner. It's nonsensical to prioritize getting from 0 to 100 km/h in an off-road truck. Why would I need an automatic gearbox in mud or sand? And how can I push start my car with an automatic gearbox? Bigger tires compensate for the lack of a 6th gear; you can legally fit 33-34" tires on this vehicle. Also, if I were looking for the luxury or comfortable style of driving, it's completely far from what the 70 series offers. But, if you're looking to build a true off-road and expedition truck for enjoying off-road and long-distance trips, a V8 is the only option for me.
I did 800,000 kms on my old hiace 2.4lt on LPG and that's carrying half to 1 ton loads 6 days a week for 11 years. Now I have a 2.7lt LPG hiace and is 14 years old with 320,000kms, still runs like new. I am proof that Toyota makes reliable engines. If I get those kms out of a petrol/lpg engine, diesel should be even better.
Nice video.. although one thing that’s often missing from comparison videos is what it feels like to own and drive these vehicles. I’ve driven both and it’s true the 2.8 has great road performance in comparison to the V8 and works well off road too. BUT, the 2.8 lacks the character and feel of the VDJ, it feels like Toyota’s answer to a mass of employees with auto only licences, and if you want to drive a 4 cylinder auto Toyota buy a Prado or a Hilux.
I am getting [buying] both of them this month because of my varying tasks from professional to personal!! Yeah! But thanks for this important updates buddy❗️🤝🏾
It would have been nice if you were able to compare two vehicles with the same body style for the purpose of aerodynamics and how they would affect the fuel economy. Also the truck will be lighter than the wagon.
The 4.5L V8 actually made about 286HP and 650Nm in the Land Cruiser 200. I'm guessing Toyota toned it down because of the lower quality fuel in AUS, or, the manual transmission which surelly can't take the 650Nm of torque...
Slightly different engine. LC200 had a twin turbo version. The 70 has a single turbo. The name code is a bit different I'm too tired to look it up right now.
@@Agent.K. it's the same engine dude... the peripherals, like the turbo and other auxilary components are different. Same block, same head, same internals, make it the same engine. Just like any other manufacturer that has an engine in many different power levels and configurations...
Legendary car, it’s not meant to be quiet, comfortable or refined get a hilux, prado or 300 series. Go to the harshest & most dangerous parts of the world you’ll see these cars everywhere not meant for driving to coles in
Love my single cab 79, and I 100% agree people don't understand until they owned a LC then again not a lot of people can afford an LC so they just hating tbh
@@zestyzestsand you'll go on loving it until you actually give in and agree it's really not a nice thing to drive on road, pathetic off road, and whilst possibly reliable, maybe not always unbreakable. Yes, I know what their actually like, as I got caught up in the hype, lashed out and purchased one. Knew from the moment I did I'd made a mistake. Yes I told everyone how great it was, only briefly but then I learned to despise the bloody thing, desperately despise it. Sold it easily, thank goodness. Should I ever be in the market and had to choose, the auto 4 banger key will hang on my wall rather than the V8's. But that's where the keys would probably stay, on the wall. I'd elect to stick to my Patrol for on & off road use. Christ, we opted back into our old 4 pot auto Jackaroo over the 76 V8. You'll one day discover likewise, it's really not that good once you elect to let yourself be guided by your true desire to have a capable vehicle and not the hype around these things.
Thats good. The older model did 2400rpms at 100. Go any less than 2000rpm at 100 it wouldn't pull it towing or carrying a load. It doesn't need a faster 5th gear if used for purpose.
@@aussiefarmer6012 I thought so mate. I actually got it down to 11.2 yesterday but it’s back up to 11.4 now. Stock tyres etc. bull bar, side-rails and heavy duty alloy tray. Not carrying or towing anything atm so I expect the figures to dramatically change when that happens. Absolutely loving it though 👌
How much do you weigh about 2.7t? Because that's pretty good for the rpm really. My Adventra (basically an AWD SS) weighs around 2100kg, sits around 2000rpm at 110, through the slushbox 4 speed I get between 7-10L/100km.
Are you talking about the 2nd hand market? I don't think it's going to be possible to buy a new V8 at this point. New orders have stopped, the only V8 2024s are going to people who have been on the waiting list for 2 years and they are given the option of the V8 or 2.8. For someone walking in off the street to a Toyota dealer today, the only option is the 2.8.
I'll receive my car from the dealer next month. for my trophy project, I'll go for the v8. 35-inch tyres, front rear bull bar, water tank, roof rack, winch .... etc. the 4 cyl will be underpowered especially while towing a 23 feet RV. stage 3 tuning will solve the power issues.
Automatic gear in that landcruiser ute is a must for a better stopping system otherwise front will become overheat or gets caught on fire think twice while carrying heavy load or towing! Do your maths over 2.8lt and 4.5lt diesel . I have kept hearing news about new landcruiser every time I go on UA-cam and no one’s ever wanted anyone to know about something that they’ve hidden whatever you know !
I think realistically, using the land cruiser like most of its customers which is banging around on a farm and gravel roads, then the 2.8 just makes so much more sense. Take tuning out of the equation, because most farmers don't consider it, just as most of them won't watch this.
I service & repair for a living, we / I service many Hilux s , we have a customer with a 2018 2.8 that’s done 586000km, service about every 2/3 weeks.. we have changed brake pads/ rotors/ filters, serviced all diffs / Auto/ transfer case etc etc, on time it entire life. Runs like a clock, Auto great, engine etc etc. We will see, I recon the owner will probably get a Million K at this rate 👌. Honestly I see lots of Hilux 3.0/2.8 , Auto / Manual, looked after, they will do big KM. 👌
@@rollyb5061 no, they have a standard cooler, but if you are towing a big trailer/Caravan or lots of beach work, a second cooler would probably be advisable.
Hi thx for the video but my question is as the new 2.8 basically has the Hilux engine how does or would the 2.8 Cruiser actually compare the the Hilux... and more to the point on fuel consumption can one put aHilux 2.4 TDi DC 4×4 2019 or 2.8 into say a 2013 Toyota Land Cruiser 76 Troopy. Why? Because I love the Troopy body but would prefer the fuel consumption of the 2.8 $$$ thx
If you bump up the V8's power, count on an HD clutch replacement, and trust the gearbox holds together. And put some wheel spacers on the rear axle to match the front axles track. Manual window winders, very average seating for 2 and lack of space in cab of utility, maybe 3 at a pinch if the middle passenger straddles the gearbox hump and gear lever, very uncomfortable, ask me how I know. And pay the excessive "Toyota tax" for the priviledge. A Cummins 6 cylinder 6.7 in a Dodge 2500 has 276 KW and 1152 nm standard, 4.5 L Cruiser 151KW 430nm standard. I wonder which one pulls a load better?
So basically if you own a landcruiser to impress others buy the 4 cylinder, if you want one to use it for what it was designed for ( based on the 1970s) get the v8
Here in europe all the Toyotas sre the 4cyl 2.4 oder 2.8 And everybody‘s usually really happy with their engines. They‘re even used in some militaries as utilities vehicles.
Interesting how owners of V8 that have elected to replace with 2.8 are so bloody impressed by the 2.8. They are towing their existing work/tradie trailers, caravans much easier, retaining speed and not guzzling fuel. Only V8 die hard warriors are slamming the 2.8 but those who update are quickly converted to 2.8's true ability.
In south africa, I've been on forums for Hilux owners, & a lot of complaints about Hilux is the shocks, side shafts & gearbox. Anything like that in Australia?
Ive got the 2024 petrol V6. Anyone else here with the same? Was wondering if it's possible to tune it and get more zip from the engine. Would you consider that over the diesel?
Hello, this is a strange question, but I'm trying to find the headlights for this car. I tried contacting Toyota, but they require the model's vin number in order to provide new headlights. Since they are 7 inches, I want to try installing them in another vehicle because we're trying to recreate a vintage Jeep from the 1970s. Could you please help me in any way?
@@LAMethWitch Toyota Australia has paused order-taking for the LandCruiser 70 4.5L turbo-diesel V8 as a customer-focused measure, due to supply and demand factors that have resulted in extended wait times for customers.
The 4cyl is running 27psi of boost and the 8cyl is only 8 psi. A redesign of the 8cyl would blow the 4cyl out of the water. I will still take the 4.5 in line 6.
The question i have is: is the 2.8L tuned to the tits and does it therefore have a shorter life expectancy? I’m under the impression the 4.5L will last 25-30 years. But I’m a non expert.
What people never, ever, consider... You can't get a tray back 4wd single cab in the Hilux, Ranger, etc at any of the higher specs anyway - so comfort levels aren't comparable with those dual cabs. I seriously can't see the benefit of a dual cab over a large SUV for the vast majority of people... The tray is tiny.
Great review, I would however point people to look at Ronnie Dahls video, where he puts his stock 76, against his performance moded V8, set up for towing, the 2.8 blows it out of the park on fuel, speed and ability...
@@christurner68 On this video or ronny's? His had both cars towing the same route, the same 2.9T van, the 2.8 killed the Tuned V8, I am a little confused by your reply, could be I am just old.
Tyre sizes and weight of accessories on Ronnie's is the flaw V8 running 35s hugh difference in rolling resistance and weight yet to see a 2.8 in a cruiser on 35s
IMO I can’t see it selling all that well.. having said that though i didn’t think the new ranger raptor would do that well either with no diesel option. But you see plenty of them around so I could be wrong 🤷
Does that mean the Hilux is as powerful as the 4 cylinder, given its the same engine? Does that mean the Hilux is a better buy? Its lighter too and has more comfort?
The heavier motor has a greater utility factor. When max loaded with trailer, driving down hill on an off chamber track. Or top heavy loads in the same scenario. Each model. More bling less utility.
I am having sr5 hilux 2023, everybit is satisfying, though i made mistake of upgrading tyre to 265 65 r18 bfg (31.6) from stock 265 60 r 18 (30.5), though their is almost no power loss i observed, but on stock tyre i am easily getting b 7l/100km not its taking aroun 8.5l/100km. (P.s. most of Indian roads have speed limit under 100kmph only).
The 2.8 needs the imax hybrid system from the new Tacoma. A turbo diesel hybrid would be fucking epic. Then have the 2.8 come from the factory with the ecu reflash for good measure.
They need to put a 6-speed manual transmission behind the V8, and that would correct the gearing issue.
That would be amazing, but almost certainly not happening ☹️
They needed to put an auto behind it
Yep. Its going @@CarSauce
They need to put the 3.3 TTDV6 in other models and not just the LC300. But it's Toyota so you know they won't. They'll boost up a hamster with methamphetamine under the hood instead of just putting that engine in.
@@nathansharma87 The 3.3 TTD V6 will surely eventually be offered although most likely in the 70-series replacement which will happen at some point.
Well I am very happy with my LC 150 2.8 diesel.
Plenty of pulling power, very comfortable and will go anywhere. On the motorway at 120kph its ticking over at a leisurely 1700rpm in 6th gear, which it will stay in even going up hill. You hear people complaining that the 2.8 isnt powerful enough. They either haven't driven an lc with the 2.8 or they are expecting it to out accelerate a porsche, or they simply don't know what they are talking about.
This was a great comparison video by the way.
I'm happy to keep my 2021 SR Hilux . Half the price , same power , better comfort and less noise as well as proper coffee cup holders.
As well as better safety, easier to get into, cheaper insurance, better sound system...
And you load up a family of 4 in it and you are at gvm
Don't forget Better maintenance in the long term + lower parts prices
absolutely some are claiming 2.8 70s series is more comfortable than the Hilux 😂
I'm happy to keep my 2013 Citizen Eco Drive watch. No batteries to replace and the band is comfortable.
I'll stick with the 4.0litre straight six, Thanks ...I'll stick with the 4.0litre straight six, Thanks ... because I can work on it myself!
Oh, the venerable HZ….!!
It needs a Straight Six engine, not a 4 cylinder.
Bring back an upgraded 7 bearing inline 6 cylinder 1HDFTE 24 valve turbo diesel modified to meet Euro 5 spec I say, most reliable diesel Toyota ever produced, stump pulling torque from 1400 rpm to 3200 rpm, easy to work on and easily capable of 700,000 klm, some have achieved a 1,000.000klm if well serviced.
Even though this engine originally only had 1kw more power than the 2.8 litr (150kw)and 70nm less torque, at 430 nm, vs 500nm the spread of torque is spectacular.
And a lot easier to service and replace a starter motor!
Jus sayin'
Considering as of next year the grubberment want emissions on diesels cut by 65% that will never happen. Isuzu has pulled out, and Toyota already got caught cheating this year with the 2.8 to meet emissions as it is so they're bailing and possibly going hybrid. You won't see anything close to a 1HDFTE again unfortunately.
Mate 100% agree go the FTE
Totally agree FTE Best motor ,I have 2 of them .
agreed
1hdft or fte, both just run and last...
Love your work Matt. Your reviews are going from strength to strength: informative, engaging and huge fun. My V8 Troopy with the stock 225 95 R16 tyres (33") keeps the revs down at highway speed where I average c. 11.5 l/100km and under 2000 rpm cruising at 100km/h. On the Canning Stock Route I averaged 12.3 l/100km. This said, I don't tow and no roofrack. From a longevity and purist point of view, V8 hands down as there's no replacement for cubic centimetres.
Nice video! I have a 2021 Hilux 2.8. Bought it brand new and strangely enough, the oil consumption was not a issue at all, no need to top up the oil, just followed the service intervals. I have driven it just over 40000km. But the DPF-regen happens often, every 200-250km. All in all, no issues with the engine. And yes, the towing capacity is great too! 3500kg heavy trailer is no problem for the engine and driveline to pull. Such a shame that we cant buy this Land Cruiser new here in Norway though :(
I'm coming up to 500k km, 20 years old in the V8. I do long distance driving, virtually no city driving. I live & work in the bush.
Don’t remember anyone asking you a question? Or are you just insecure about your V8
@@Andrew-hu1bxhe’s giving his own opinion you muppet .
@@Andrew-hu1bxWho ask your mum not to swallow ya? It’s not your dads UA-cam video so relax mate, everyone got freedom of choice spinner 😂😂
Awesome! My 1992 GXL with a 1HD-T has 485000 kms on it. Landcruisers are the best!
@@fredfred4086 I'll say around $30k in parts has gone into the vehicle to keep it reliable.
The turbo device is not suitable for hot countries. People love simple, uncomplicated engines. Whenever the engine becomes more complicated, it becomes a prisoner of the workshops.
I think you’ve reached a very sensible and accurate conclusion. I’ve finally received my 76 V8 after a 21 month wait. After getting used to the feel of it, I’d love to take the four pot for a test drive to feel the difference.
I only had to wait 4.5 months, and I love my V8
‘Underpowered and under stressed so it lasts for ever”. That is the point.
Ronny Dahl tested his 2013 tuned v8 vs the new 4cyl auto(not tuned), the 4cyl convincingly beat the v8 when towing a large caravan up a steep hill
The v8 was on 35" tires tho so that has to be taken in to account.
And his V8 weighs substantially more than the stock 4 he bought. Gearing different, 76 vrs 79 many differences it all depends what you want it for.
How about a head to head with the 79 4 banger and a Hilux 4 banger? Is a 79 worth the extra?
Can the Hilux do everything the 79 can?
I prefer the V8, but I would bolt a 6 speed manual transmission to it
That’ll cost a few extra $$$
Bigger tyres solve the problem
I dont give a shit what anyone says the V8 everyday of the week
The v8 is so cool. Impossible to have it in Europe 😢 enjoy it...
Happy with my 2001 3.0D 4 cyl Isuzu Trooper, thanks. 33-35mpg on a run. 160,000 miles and running sweet. Have to fight off the women, it’s so kool.
I absolutely LOVE the 70 series CRUISERS. I don’t give af what anyone says! People spend millions on cars so debunk the its overpriced argument. I’ve gone around Aus in my 79 V8 and plan to do it again :D
This is the best review so far, as the old saying goes “if you want fuel economy, don’t buy a V8”
Very well done comparison with great research!
Thank you!
Great review! Pity, we don't get the 2-Door Land Cruiser here as seen in the Middle East. It costs roughly $70k and has the 1GR-FE, V6 with a 5-speed manual...That would be awesome! Check out Mawater Arabia for a look at the 2024 model.
Excellent work with the video lads. You literally solved all my confusion on which one to buy. I’m going for the V8 with some mods option
Bhahaha, did you even listen at all!
@@Andrew-hu1bx yeah I did, I can work with the V8 and modify + tune it to my liking better than the other one. You clearly liked the 2.8 Hilux engine? DGAF bout the warranty.
At the company where I work (mining in Papua), they chose the 2024 version with a 4.5L V8 engine (Troop Carrier) and there are already several units arriving.
I would like the V8, with automatic transmission from the factory please 😊
If I'm getting a Land Cruiser it has to be a V8 can't wait for those idles/growls of the 8pot
God, that is NOT why people need a LandCruiser. What the actual fuck is wrong with you.
This is a very stupid comment, “it has to be the V8”
No mate it doesn’t, the V8 is actually the worst landcruiser engine that they’ve built. What you need is a turbo diesel inline 6
@@Andrew-hu1bx respect, please!
Maximum power and torque are factors auto journalists always want to talk about most. A Land Cruiser is more than that. This legendary status was not aquired for it's power or torque but for it reliability, low cost and ease of maintenance. From 2007, Toyota Land Cruiser has moved properly into the era of electronic, only time will tell if this bread of Land Cruiser will match the durability and duration of the legend. Land Cruise inline six cylinder diesel engines are part and parcel of this legend. The reason the four cylinder engine has limited tuning upgrades is it is stressed to the max from the factory, where as the V8 is built for longevity. If you use all the four cylinder has to offer the service life will fall short of expectation. A good rule of thumb for anything machinical use only 70% of it capacity and it will serve you well. Of forty-eight years of Land Cruiser ownership it would be a hard sell to down grade into this generation. Cheers
Spot on
Interesting dictionary, indeed.
When a die hard v8 toyota lover like Ronny Dalh puts out a video showing the stock 2.8 trouncing his tuned v8 in a tow test you just cant argue the point the v8 can lay down some dyno numbers but its so inefficient in actually putting that torque to work.
Didn’t use the same size tyres so the comparison was flawed
@christurner68 flawed maybe but completely valid none the least
The v8 was fully tuned, should compensate for tyres. 2.8 is an amazing engine, Toyota claim its the best diesel engine they ever built
@@danefrancis9191 The tyres alone make a huge difference, even when tuned. If both vehicles were stock, the 4 would win anyway, as 500Nm trumps 430Nm any day, especially in a lighter vehicle that's an auto with an extra gear.
@@christurner68Ronny Dahl has had both diffs regeared for tyre size
I've got the new V8 troopy, only done 500ks and my fuel economy is at 10.4 per 100 and that's half highway and the rest short runs down the beach or onto the salt flats and around town. I'd like to see a side by side fuel consumption between the 4 and V8, according to my result the V8 is better on fuel?
Ours is similar , May 2024 Troopy V8 6000ks average Highway and City driving and we are averaging 10.2 ltrs per 100 ks. 😊
Thanks for the video.
After all the hustle and bustle, the V8 is the clear winner. It's nonsensical to prioritize getting from 0 to 100 km/h in an off-road truck. Why would I need an automatic gearbox in mud or sand? And how can I push start my car with an automatic gearbox? Bigger tires compensate for the lack of a 6th gear; you can legally fit 33-34" tires on this vehicle. Also, if I were looking for the luxury or comfortable style of driving, it's completely far from what the 70 series offers. But, if you're looking to build a true off-road and expedition truck for enjoying off-road and long-distance trips, a V8 is the only option for me.
Reminds me when the 4 cylinder turbo Ford Seria came on the scene against Aussie V8’s.
Who cares!!!!! We want our V8 grunt!!!
I did 800,000 kms on my old hiace 2.4lt on LPG and that's carrying half to 1 ton loads 6 days a week for 11 years. Now I have a 2.7lt LPG hiace and is 14 years old with 320,000kms, still runs like new. I am proof that Toyota makes reliable engines. If I get those kms out of a petrol/lpg engine, diesel should be even better.
Nice video.. although one thing that’s often missing from comparison videos is what it feels like to own and drive these vehicles. I’ve driven both and it’s true the 2.8 has great road performance in comparison to the V8 and works well off road too. BUT, the 2.8 lacks the character and feel of the VDJ, it feels like Toyota’s answer to a mass of employees with auto only licences, and if you want to drive a 4 cylinder auto Toyota buy a Prado or a Hilux.
On the V8 you need to upgrade the clutch even on Stage-1 tune. That is more money down drain.
I am getting [buying] both of them this month because of my varying tasks from professional to personal!!
Yeah! But thanks for this important updates buddy❗️🤝🏾
It would have been nice if you were able to compare two vehicles with the same body style for the purpose of aerodynamics and how they would affect the fuel economy. Also the truck will be lighter than the wagon.
I am guessing the 4cyl is being thrashed a bit to get it too outperform the v8.
The 4.5L V8 actually made about 286HP and 650Nm in the Land Cruiser 200. I'm guessing Toyota toned it down because of the lower quality fuel in AUS, or, the manual transmission which surelly can't take the 650Nm of torque...
Slightly different engine. LC200 had a twin turbo version. The 70 has a single turbo. The name code is a bit different I'm too tired to look it up right now.
@@Agent.K. it's the same engine dude... the peripherals, like the turbo and other auxilary components are different. Same block, same head, same internals, make it the same engine. Just like any other manufacturer that has an engine in many different power levels and configurations...
Legendary car, it’s not meant to be quiet, comfortable or refined get a hilux, prado or 300 series. Go to the harshest & most dangerous parts of the world you’ll see these cars everywhere not meant for driving to coles in
Yeah and you will find they have a 1hz under the bonnet not a 1vd
Love my single cab 79, and I 100% agree
people don't understand until they owned a LC
then again not a lot of people can afford an LC so they just hating tbh
@@zestyzestsand you'll go on loving it until you actually give in and agree it's really not a nice thing to drive on road, pathetic off road, and whilst possibly reliable, maybe not always unbreakable.
Yes, I know what their actually like, as I got caught up in the hype, lashed out and purchased one.
Knew from the moment I did I'd made a mistake. Yes I told everyone how great it was, only briefly but then I learned to despise the bloody thing, desperately despise it.
Sold it easily, thank goodness.
Should I ever be in the market and had to choose, the auto 4 banger key will hang on my wall rather than the V8's.
But that's where the keys would probably stay, on the wall. I'd elect to stick to my Patrol for on & off road use. Christ, we opted back into our old 4 pot auto Jackaroo over the 76 V8.
You'll one day discover likewise, it's really not that good once you elect to let yourself be guided by your true desire to have a capable vehicle and not the hype around these things.
my innova came with the 2.8L very reliable engine after 200000km you need to clean up the EGR and still running with the original timing chain
I have the new 79 single cab utensils in 4.5ltr. I’m getting 11.4ltrs per 100kms bit highway and around town driving. Sits at 2000rpm at 100km/hr.
Thats good. The older model did 2400rpms at 100. Go any less than 2000rpm at 100 it wouldn't pull it towing or carrying a load. It doesn't need a faster 5th gear if used for purpose.
@@aussiefarmer6012 I thought so mate. I actually got it down to 11.2 yesterday but it’s back up to 11.4 now. Stock tyres etc. bull bar, side-rails and heavy duty alloy tray. Not carrying or towing anything atm so I expect the figures to dramatically change when that happens. Absolutely loving it though 👌
How much do you weigh about 2.7t? Because that's pretty good for the rpm really. My Adventra (basically an AWD SS) weighs around 2100kg, sits around 2000rpm at 110, through the slushbox 4 speed I get between 7-10L/100km.
Unfortunately we do not get these in Europe. Would like to own one with the 4-cyl engine.
Are you talking about the 2nd hand market? I don't think it's going to be possible to buy a new V8 at this point. New orders have stopped, the only V8 2024s are going to people who have been on the waiting list for 2 years and they are given the option of the V8 or 2.8. For someone walking in off the street to a Toyota dealer today, the only option is the 2.8.
I'll receive my car from the dealer next month. for my trophy project, I'll go for the v8. 35-inch tyres, front rear bull bar, water tank, roof rack, winch .... etc. the 4 cyl will be underpowered especially while towing a 23 feet RV. stage 3 tuning will solve the power issues.
Toyota designers usually get it right. plenty of 1HD owners said the 1VD was crap. I have a V8 and love it. but it has its down sides.
Have a 2021 79. Decent tune and exhaust. Wouldn’t change it for the world.
Untill it drops a valve 😂
Automatic gear in that landcruiser ute is a must for a better stopping system otherwise front will become overheat or gets caught on fire think twice while carrying heavy load or towing! Do your maths over 2.8lt and 4.5lt diesel . I have kept hearing news about new landcruiser every time I go on UA-cam and no one’s ever wanted anyone to know about something that they’ve hidden whatever you know !
This 4 cylinder over grown Hi-lux, has any of them done a 1,000,000 km????? When it has then compare it to the V8
Have they up graded the hand brake or is that still a future thing 🤔
I think toyota should have put the v6 f33a-ftv engine that comes in the land cruise 300 series instead of the 2.8 v4.
I wonder why they didnt do that?
Been towing a big trailer for ten years we will see how the 2.8 & it’s gearbox goes being loaded all the time
No replacement for displacement. Eager to see the same test on a 10 year old 2.8 4Cylinder
Why the Four cylinder is not manual. I think you must compare manual to manual.
Plz do a review of the 2gd ftv engine, the 2.8L diesel's lil brother. It's diesel reliability @ its best
14 seconds for a 1/4 mile. It's almost unbelievably slow. Would it beat a Morris Minor?
Nice video!
You saucy devil…I think you nailed it
Both LandCruisers are not a 20 year 4wd but my1hzj79r is so I will keep it running 😅
I think realistically, using the land cruiser like most of its customers which is banging around on a farm and gravel roads, then the 2.8 just makes so much more sense. Take tuning out of the equation, because most farmers don't consider it, just as most of them won't watch this.
What would you pay for a 5 year old 4cyl with 150,000 Km, vs a 5 year old V8 version with 150,000 Kms?
Hi Matt, just wondering how long will these autos last in the 2-8?
It is afaik, the same Aisin unit as in Hilux/Prado/DMAX/MU-X/BT-50/Pajero Sport.
I service & repair for a living, we / I service many Hilux s , we have a customer with a 2018 2.8 that’s done 586000km, service about every 2/3 weeks.. we have changed brake pads/ rotors/ filters, serviced all diffs / Auto/ transfer case etc etc, on time it entire life. Runs like a clock, Auto great, engine etc etc. We will see, I recon the owner will probably get a Million K at this rate 👌. Honestly I see lots of Hilux 3.0/2.8 , Auto / Manual, looked after, they will do big KM. 👌
@@benlondon8467 Hi, do these autos need a cooler?👌
@@rollyb5061 no, they have a standard cooler, but if you are towing a big trailer/Caravan or lots of beach work, a second cooler would probably be advisable.
Hello, very informative video!
Question:
Where do you get a new ratio, which company does that?
Yeah I want to know as well. Maybe terrain tamer ?
Say what you want. V8 sheer bullet proof reliability. Love from Papua New Guinea 🇵🇬
Hi thx for the video but my question is as the new 2.8 basically has the Hilux engine how does or would the 2.8 Cruiser actually compare the the Hilux... and more to the point on fuel consumption can one put aHilux 2.4 TDi DC 4×4 2019 or 2.8 into say a 2013 Toyota Land Cruiser 76 Troopy. Why? Because I love the Troopy body but would prefer the fuel consumption of the 2.8 $$$ thx
Sort of unrelated question: Do you have any inside info on the new 2025 Hilux? Still with the 2.8L engine? Any chance of a V6?
Thanks - David
If you bump up the V8's power, count on an HD clutch replacement, and trust the gearbox holds together.
And put some wheel spacers on the rear axle to match the front axles track.
Manual window winders, very average seating for 2 and lack of space in cab of utility, maybe 3 at a pinch if the middle passenger straddles the gearbox hump and gear lever, very uncomfortable, ask me how I know.
And pay the excessive "Toyota tax" for the priviledge.
A Cummins 6 cylinder 6.7 in a Dodge 2500 has 276 KW and 1152 nm standard, 4.5 L Cruiser 151KW 430nm standard.
I wonder which one pulls a load better?
So basically if you own a landcruiser to impress others buy the 4 cylinder, if you want one to use it for what it was designed for ( based on the 1970s) get the v8
V8 with auto would be my pick
Better have some coin
The 200 series exists
Yep the 2.8 is the sensible choice. Lifes all about being sensible.......
First gear should be short, Just received my 79 V8 and loving it
Tried towing with Prado 4cyl blew no.3 piston $16000 new engine. Use 8 cyl
I bet it was the older 1KD which is shit
Damn that’s a lot of money 😭
That would be a 1kd it blew up because it's a 1kd not because it's a 4cyl
Here in europe all the Toyotas sre the 4cyl 2.4 oder 2.8
And everybody‘s usually really happy with their engines.
They‘re even used in some militaries as utilities vehicles.
Interesting how owners of V8 that have elected to replace with 2.8 are so bloody impressed by the 2.8.
They are towing their existing work/tradie trailers, caravans much easier, retaining speed and not guzzling fuel.
Only V8 die hard warriors are slamming the 2.8 but those who update are quickly converted to 2.8's true ability.
Iam waiting for delivery of my 300 series Sahara. The wait is agonizing.
In south africa, I've been on forums for Hilux owners, & a lot of complaints about Hilux is the shocks, side shafts & gearbox. Anything like that in Australia?
Ive got the 2024 petrol V6. Anyone else here with the same? Was wondering if it's possible to tune it and get more zip from the engine. Would you consider that over the diesel?
Hello, this is a strange question, but I'm trying to find the headlights for this car. I tried contacting Toyota, but they require the model's vin number in order to provide new headlights. Since they are 7 inches, I want to try installing them in another vehicle because we're trying to recreate a vintage Jeep from the 1970s. Could you please help me in any way?
Since you cant order a new 4.5 l, does it really matter. With Euro 6 Emmissions rules in 2025, the V8 is probably gone.
u can order v8
@@LAMethWitch Toyota Australia has paused order-taking for the LandCruiser 70 4.5L turbo-diesel V8 as a customer-focused measure, due to supply and demand factors that have resulted in extended wait times for customers.
I wish these were available in the U.S., thanks for the info.
I'm surprised they didn't put the 3litre D4d engine rather than the 2.8
The V8 version is muuuuuuuuch more fun, period!!!!!!!! 😉👍🏻
How is it more fun? What part of less power is more fun.
The 4cyl is running 27psi of boost and the 8cyl is only 8 psi. A redesign of the 8cyl would blow the 4cyl out of the water. I will still take the 4.5 in line 6.
hie the big engine would def outlast that GD6 ,is that what you saying
I wish they could do extended cabs for the Toyota land cruisers.
Got a 200 series that V8 is a beast love it
The question i have is: is the 2.8L tuned to the tits and does it therefore have a shorter life expectancy?
I’m under the impression the 4.5L will last 25-30 years. But I’m a non expert.
What people never, ever, consider... You can't get a tray back 4wd single cab in the Hilux, Ranger, etc at any of the higher specs anyway - so comfort levels aren't comparable with those dual cabs. I seriously can't see the benefit of a dual cab over a large SUV for the vast majority of people... The tray is tiny.
That was a really good saucy video !
Glad you liked it!
Great review, I would however point people to look at Ronnie Dahls video, where he puts his stock 76, against his performance moded V8, set up for towing, the 2.8 blows it out of the park on fuel, speed and ability...
Flawed comparison as the true size were not the same, big difference.
@@christurner68 On this video or ronny's? His had both cars towing the same route, the same 2.9T van, the 2.8 killed the Tuned V8, I am a little confused by your reply, could be I am just old.
@@bobkats the sizes were different, it make a big difference. Ronny’s test.
Tyre sizes and weight of accessories on Ronnie's is the flaw V8 running 35s hugh difference in rolling resistance and weight yet to see a 2.8 in a cruiser on 35s
@@MrThebrownie72 exactly 👍
I still love the sound of straight 6 😍🥰
IMO I can’t see it selling all that well.. having said that though i didn’t think the new ranger raptor would do that well either with no diesel option. But you see plenty of them around so I could be wrong 🤷
Are there any aftermarket turbocharging options for the V8 ?
Does that mean the Hilux is as powerful as the 4 cylinder, given its the same engine? Does that mean the Hilux is a better buy? Its lighter too and has more comfort?
Why they change from the 1HZ straight 6 i will never understand, it beats these 2 in reliability and longevity
The heavier motor has a greater utility factor. When max loaded with trailer, driving down hill on an off chamber track. Or top heavy loads in the same scenario.
Each model. More bling less utility.
I am having sr5 hilux 2023, everybit is satisfying, though i made mistake of upgrading tyre to 265 65 r18 bfg (31.6) from stock 265 60 r 18 (30.5), though their is almost no power loss i observed, but on stock tyre i am easily getting b 7l/100km not its taking aroun 8.5l/100km. (P.s. most of Indian roads have speed limit under 100kmph only).
The 2.8 needs the imax hybrid system from the new Tacoma. A turbo diesel hybrid would be fucking epic. Then have the 2.8 come from the factory with the ecu reflash for good measure.
Makes me want to put a 2.8 small pot in my 80series so I can be a V8 killer 4 once 😅
just an update for you guys, avoid the new vehicle that has got a lot of engine issues and not reliable.
it's a moot point in Canada as they are not available to us neither is Hilux.😢
You say to buy a V8, you cannot order a V8 in any model so we are all stuck with the 4 cylinder at this stage.
No replacement for displacement on the long term
Great bro 👌