Drag race: V8 LandCruiser 70 v 4-cyl LandCruiser 70 v 4-cyl HiLux, roll race and 1/4 mile times
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2024
- It’s time to settle the bet - how much quicker or slower is the new V8 Toyota LandCruiser 70 Series against both the 4-cylinder and the trusty HiLux it shares its engine with? Only one way to find out!
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LandCruiser 70 Series V8 v 4-cylinder towing stress test & drag race! Is Toyota's V8 dead?
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Race 1: 00:48
Race 2: 03:16
Race 3: 04:48
Rolling Race: 06:19
1/4 Mile Test: 08:33
Verdict: 10:21
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#toyota #landcruiser #hilux - Авто та транспорт
I used to think Australia’s speed limits were too low. Then I drove a Hilux.
What year though? They aren’t as gutless after the 2020 model.
@@rsoul7282 oh no, it wasn’t that it was gutless, it was that it handled like a shopping trolley on crack and had brakes like a bar of soap on wet tiles. Dynamically a bag of shit was was superior. Just a dangerous rig. 2.8l of pure bullshit. Who buys that crap? Everyone apparently!
True I drove a 2023 base model hilux and it was the worst car I’ve driven. Suspension was rough and had 0 traction in the paddocks
yes they are hard to get to the speed limit as underpowered crap
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Whats shocking is the UAE land cruiser 70 series have bigger screens, leather interior reversing cameras, while Australia and South Africa spec get those poverty spec small screen 😢
Dont worry, with the new Emissions rules coming, we will finally get the better versions
Less stuff to break
@hi9580 but it's a Toyota and you know how hot the UAE is
It is the UAE’s dealer not Toyota and all these options are made in china
Left hand drive only design. From memory you guys get the tub version as well
The real surprise is not that the V8 is slow, it’s that the 4-cylinders are so dam fast! Plus, I would imagine that the V8 is pretty heavy on the fuel consumption.
There’s no much difference with a load I use about 17l/100 on 79/200 and Hilux
What’s more concerning is are they just pushing more out of the 2.8 L and is the V8 very detuned?
@@FoLlOwThEwHiTeRaBbIt1v8 is extremely outdated so it’s detuned to pass emissions.
There's more headspace on the V8 for upping the power, with Unichip and remap, bigger intercooler etcetera. That said, my 2013 D4-D Hilux achieved a 44% power increase with just a Unichip and DPF delete. It transformed the vehicle. Either way, if you do a Unichip + remap, put in an Exhaust Gas Temperature Sensor and guage.
@@nickgood8166 DPF delete?
Are you sure you want to be advertising that and does a 13 Hilux even have a DPF?
Well done Paul, great video. You certainly know what ppl want and you think outside the square which places you above everyone else! Well done mate.
should do Hilux, Prado, Fortuner and the new 79 as they all have the same motor now
plus hiace😆
Fortuner wins
Man That V8 is just fucking Turd of an engine bloody hell.
You have no idea what you’re talking about.Put an auto in the v8 to make it an even playing field.
@@barcrusherthose engines are still rubbish they are so over rated
Haha if they see a puddle off😂 in the distance the alternator shits itself.
@@ashdell4493 I agree the engines are very slow but calling the engine rubbing you have know idea what your talking about.
If you want right, reliability toyota is the only way to go.
@@FoLlOwThEwHiTeRaBbIt1 yeah ok 😂😂 they are RUBBISHHHHH
The only drag race I've ever been interested in. Well done.
I think what most people forget is when I was growing up our light truck was a 2.8 naturally aspirated diesel with glow plugs that had to be heated to start. Gearing and a well built motor go a long way to handling weight and the demands of towing.
Well to be fair Paul, these days more people drag race and speed in utes rather than people in sports cars, so this is why it’s now common and popular to have ute drag races on many UA-cam channels, you’re right these vehicles aren’t designed to be speed demons but people will still flog them off the lights and gun it down the freeway anyway.
Especially in South Africa. We have “bakkie” (UTE’s) drag racing events on private farms. There is one I’m attending in April with my N70 (hybrid turbo and mapping)
@@jdventer1954 in Australia these vehicles were very common for tradies, but nowadays many consumers buy them, they have become a very popular and common theme here, it’s almost impossible now not to see some guy in a Toyota HiLux or Ford Ranger etc… zigzagging through traffic and flooring the crap out of it, funny thing is these guys in utes would race anyone on the road thinking they can outpace a sports car in a 2 ton 4cyl diesel, I do race them (when it is safe to do so in a straight line highway road) just to settle their ego’s down a notch.
@@russell3436 same here in SA. Was originally meant for the "working man" or for farmers but that's no longer the case. I know I don't have a sportscar and that's why when I race it's against other utes I rarely try it with any other smaller/faster vehicles.
This is a great way to show torque and it’s advantage because they all have the same HP.
Paul, it may be a joke, but it was a lot of fun to watch. Great idea Paul .
Thanks for watching…and laughing! 😂
@@CarExpertAus hey Paul I'd be interested to see a comparison with a modified/tuned V8, to see how much quicker it actually makes it in the real world instead of just dyno sheet numbers haha
@@CarExpertAus I think it’s a big scam the more gears you have in a toe rig the better so why put a 5 speed in a v8 toeing vehicle I find that stupid and if the v8 had a proper gearbox or say a zf trans the 2.8 6 speed would be behind the v8 6speed
Thanks for taking the time to make this happen
Great video for us 2.8 owners 😂
You nailed it Paul...c'mon c'mon. Well done.
Thank you.
V8 has a broader torque curve. The 4 cylinders have more peak power and torque. So from stand start the 4 cylinder rev out 1st and drop into its peak power band going into 2nd and so on. Plus the 4 cylinders are automatic so no time lost during shift.
I'd argue the time lost is kinda same as this Toyota 6 speed slush box is extra slushy and soft and doesn't lock the converter fast
@arunps7719 back in the 80s and 90s auto is only 4sp so manual wins. Nowadays the crappiest 6sp auto will still win.
@@mclongkock6678My Dad's early 80s top spec Ford Granada auto had 3 forward ratios.
The V8 is down on torque too.
@d15z1sux it comes in sooner. For example the v8 has 450nm from 1200rpm to 3000rpm, The 2.8 has 500nm from 2000rpm to 3500rpm. The v8 has more torque at lower rpm and peak at 450nm for longer range. The 2.8 only has more torque only from 2000rpm on wards. The 2.8 has to rev and be in its power band to beat the v8. Peak number on power and torque is one thing the other is where it's at and how long it last. Diesel normally don't like to rev high so really that v8 will tow all day at 2000rpm all day long. It's in it peak torque at that rev. Like my 200 series, shell seat at 2000rpm towing up hill all day long sometimes 2600rpm n that's going 110km up a hill pulling a boat.
I still love the v8
Hahahahaha, that thing is so bad, that 0-100 time was terrible in the 60's and 1/4 mile time is laughable. Look, if Toyota had the 200 LC V8 with the auto, now you are talking, but this setup is a joke.
@Renegade040 yep it a sound thing. Also alot of room to modify. I have a 200. I can't understand why thy didn't use that set up.
@@anthonykhalil70 agree, they do sound great, would be even better with the 200 LC setup. Their is still too many parts that need replacing with the 70 series LC's, stick with your 200.
Remember a corvette in 1982 had only 220hp. My wife's outback has about the same as a 4 cylinder. I know which one I prefer.
Can someone do a comparison on the manual Hilux sr vs a Land Cruiser 70 v8 they are more similar in torque and power. And it will be more apple to apple to see if displacement really comes into play in real world situation.
As there’s a saying there’s no replacement for displacement.
Finally a screenshot that accurately portrays the size of Paul's head!
😂 big brains, bro!
Thank you
First time a lux has won anything
Apart from being the most popular vehicle in Australia for about 11 or 12 out the last 15 years...😎
@@garrygraham7901 Popular doesn't mean good!
@@garrygraham7901😂👍
@@mickeynismocat compared to what?
@@42cuba Popular SUV's, are you blind?!
Why don’t you use more of the rev range in the v8 especially in 1st? I know from my 79 the v8 drops off a bit at about 3600 - 3700 but I have found best acceleration when going to about 4200 -4300 in 1st.
I think the v8 was faster in the rolling race because the 76 mades more power down low and the 2.8 has to rev more? Or maybe its the gearing?
Can't beat the Australian lingo jack up the back all good to go let's get cracking 😂✌️
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Questions would be. What is the final drive and transfer high range gearing on the V8 vs the 4 pots? Also does the V8 use any kind of torque limiting in lower gears. Lots of vehicles do, in 1st/2nd it might be making 50hp less. Which would explain the poor performance off the line, but able to match speeds from a 3rd gear roll. Last question would be aimed at Toyota. What development haven't they done to the V8 to have such a poor power output compared to the 4 pot engines?
3 snails with whiplash
Lol, I'm still trying to even see the point of dragging 3 deisels. They are not made for drag racing full stop. The guy who made this video should have loaded 4.5 ton on trailers to tow and see which 1 is fastest. This bloke obviously lives in the city and wants to get to work quick on pathed roads
The funny part is I won't even waste time watching this video. The title turned me right off cause there's so many vids on the same subject
@@markpacker6951 they've already made a video previously doing weight/towing comparison tests. This video was just for fun and some people are curious for the results.
@@craigsampson3386 he is just hurt because these are TOYs
@@markpacker6951*diesel
Just need to run an imported 70 series with the 1grfe V6 petrol
Still take the V8 any day. Mosty for the beautiful sound they can produce.
Yeah they are great for turning fuel into noise and heat, nothing else
Anyone who thinks the v8 sounds good has rocks in their head. What an absoloute slug. Loud doesn't mean good.
Me too love the sound
Torque converter can help with up to double the torque on full slip. It would be good to see the 2.8 with the old manual that the 70 series has that would be a fair test. We all know an auto is better in drags. If they have the torque limiting removed that’s as about as fair as you can get. Not bias as I don’t have one but do drive a n80 for work and have driven the others and there’s more to it than just a drag.
Autos are utter shit off-road loaded. Constant gear changing and no ability to bump start. We use the 79 loaded to nearly 4t as fire units off-road. God help them if HO inflict those buzzy engines and poo jabber box on us in the future
Would love to see this again with a modified v8 added to the mix given it’s so undertuned, and the 4 bangers are highly tuned. I’ve owned both so always curious.. also the v8 used less fuel for me.
I would love to see a stock Jimny in the mix here 😂
Jimny has 100hp and 0nm of torque. Poor little Jim, he is so cool though I still love them
@@curlcurllocal and would still beat that V8 cruiser to 100.......
@@S9RUT We have a Jimny, there’s absolutely no way it’s beating anything to 100.
@@curlcurllocal me too, 13 seconds to 100.
I often dropped that v8 at the traffic light with my donkey 3.2 everest. Donkey power since day one in my opinion.
Remember the Hilux has better aerodynamics than the 70 series. Drag coefficient of the hilux is roughly 40% greater also the downforce from the windscreen. Hence there's more turbulence attack on the 70 series frame(both). Same kurb weight but aerodynamics speaks louder in this test.
Keep it up brother Paul. Cheers all the way from Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea
Just stop.
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Would be interesting to see the new 79 4 pot using haul mode!
"I'm really not that far behind..."
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Hey Nice comparisson , hey folks a question: do you think better hilux aerodynamics it´s an important factor to get better times (0-100km/h) and (1/4 mile)? We think that the weight difference between Hilux and LC79 must be unsprung weight (the front live axle) vs IFS of the Hilux that is more lighter another question: Do you Think 50Kg unsprung weight makes the difference to the hilux get better times? Hey Folks Thaks for your attention, please be in touch.
The next test should be on what is the arch nemesis of all three of these trucks....a gentle curve.
When Aus was still making cars this test would not have happened😅.
Why not? Were we taking falcon and commodore utes 4wding then?
Were all cars on the exact same tyre?
Be great to see a 79 V8 with an auto and then seeth
Same result
Be better if they all went to a diesel tuning shop and got a tune put through them would the results vary.... and why was he's taking the V8 past its power curve before changing gears, its a turbo diesel there is no power in the top end you can't expect it to pull if you change gears at the redline.
You should do the same test but towing a 2000kg van.
Can u try the 1/4 mile again cause a 1/4 mile is only just over 400 metres
Is that Oil Temp or Oil Pressure on the Dash? I see the 4-cylinder is quite higher when compared to the V8.
It’s oil pressure
Give the v8 more revs when launching in second will help with the lag
What about the amount of fuel? That concerns the overall weight. Does not it?
Battle of the gutless shit boxes.
Like watching bald men fighting over a comb.
Keep saving mate.
We get it, you overspent on something that you cant make money on now with the sink rate they're going. Especially embarrasing for you, is the gwm cannon is a better car with better tech 😮🤯🤫
@@markconnell6268 GWM better?
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Seriously?
I'm no fan of Toyota but this is one of the dumbest comments I've seen in a long time tbh.
I have a Mitsi. but can afford whatever I like for the record.
@@markconnell6268 ahahahahaa GWM isnt the top of anything except which car will be scrapped at the tip first
Soccer mums (who only use these vehicles for city driving) will be interested in these results 🤷
For the hilux, older model, you can used 4H to launch then once you hit 50km, you switch to 2H
That would create more inefficiency.
I don't understand the meaning behind drag racing these ute. Aren't these ute bought for work horses
Yes, but the whole argument at the moment with these cars is the introduction of the 4 cyl.
All the V8 pompous idiots think the V8 is the best thing since sliced bread and immediatly started shit talking the 4cyl, but the V8 has 1 more hp , but the 4cyl has way more torque. This is why this video had to be made!
@@ppppw2 I understand that but let's see what will still be running after half a million kms Is what the test should be. If you want to drag race buy a skyline or a supra. These things a built for longevity not for a 400mtr race. You got to be nuts to compare these car for a race car
People aren't in the right head space if you are comparing these car for a quarter mile.
@@richardnguyen5321 Seen what happens if you dust the V8?
Carwow inspired, they race everything.
It's hilarious how slow the V8's are I often have them pull out behind me when in a roadtrain and they are towing its very slow process.
Are these new 4 cylinder land cruisers going to tun into similar problems that the 2ltr bi turbo ranger has/had. Loaded up that little motor is going to work so much harder and on a high strung engine with weight will it lead to premature failure. Id love to see the 4 cylinder 79 with a round hay bail in the back of it over 12 months in some what hilly terrain. Is the transmission upto it will it hunt gears like the 2ltr ranger?
The Ranger is a 10 speed that's why it chases gears you drive it in sport when under load. The 4 cylinder hilux motor has always had issues anyway but I think it will be fine in the Cruiser. It's the luck of the draw with all diesels now.
I don't get it. The white LC is a V8?
It looks the exactly the same as the 2024. Has the front been changed?
The 2024 facelift has the V8 option
You can choose v8 or 4 cyl now, why anyone would pick the v8 is beyond me haha
How about towing 3ton drag race?
a guy dod that on another channel-The V8 got smoked.
Anyone else notice how high that oil temp was on the 79 ute
Those lock into 3rd roll races are a waste of time when there are different engines and gearing
The Hilux driver was on the throttle early in every run.
Any chance you do a drag race of them under load with like a 2 tonne trailer or something like that
Did you not watch the video haha
@@Bigsoot7393 Yes but they didn’t do a side by side video comparison which would have been nice
Why don't you test the Hilux 4.0 V6?
Add the time to wind the windows up too
These guys do great reviews, however, all this stuff on the LC70 is simply a comparison between an automatic and manual transmission.
HAHA love this! Fun to see non-race cars racing haha
Love to see the same race with 3t hooked to the back...
One of our 4wders did just that with his V8 modified for towing and the 4 cyl still ate it.
Look up Ronny Dahl on here if you're interested.
V8 would be even further behind the rest
Watch the longer video they did with these three vehicles. The V8 gets flogged every single test they do. Pig of a thing.
We did that in our last video.
4 cylinder smashes it
I wish they had Isuzu Dimax to compare the difference in acceleration.
Paul, next time, try the hilux, prado , cruiser and the fortuner who all have the same engine, i think the fortuner is quicker
Based on the 0-100 test on their individual video review, the SUV is always slower than the ute it's based on.
And hiace coasters and Hino
Even if you put just a full 3 inch exhaust on the v8 I would be surprised with the results be a lot closer I would think as it can breathe my factory v& struggled to rev due to exhaust
Injectors and remove the emission regulations
Makes bugger all diference, what you think is additional power is just a placebo affect because your hearing the engine more
With a diesel, fuel is power and unless you add fuel you wont make more hp, i ran a test on my ute where i kept the rail pressure and injector duration the same for both runs, on the first run i adjusted the wastegate on the turbo to 26psi and on the second run i adjusted it to 38 psi and did a 0-100 on both settings and the difference was that negligible that you could rule no difference
Only difference i documented was significantly lower EGTS on the high boost run
Check out Ronny Dahls test with his modified V8 against a stock 4 cyl pulling a big van.
Quite the eye opener.
@@chipchip48you are 100% correct, people often tend to think of tuning diesels in the same terms as turbo petrol engines. You don’t get more power from a diesel without adding more fuel.
Diff ratios in the cruiser vs the hilux will play a huge part in how the power and torque is put to the ground.
So it’s still an uneven match.
You made the absolute most crucial comment. A totally unstressed V8.
The v8 will kill the 4 cylinder for life span.
Tume the V8 of give the same minimum specs of the 200 or 300 series, then give it a drag race
I would still prefer the old 79 series. Reliability and durability in Papua New, Guinea
are these 1990 models, or 2023 models?
2024
2027 models
2024 models designed in 1990.
Is there any difference between the 1990 and the 2023 models? 😅😅😅😅
1981 models
Paul, as a lol can we have every 1GD 2.8L powered Toyota in a drag race? HiLux, Fortuner, Prado, LC70, Coaster (don’t forget Coaster!) etc.
That would be hilarious
😂 now that would be funny!
Where is de nissan navara
Why would you bother buying the 70 series ute now that it has the Hilux engine. The Hilux has more tech and comfort to the dinosaur 70 series.
This is even more proof that the 4 cylinder 70 is so usless man why would you ever buy it
Why don't they update the v8 and then do the test
Battle of the diesel slugs😆😆😆
Given a reasonable curve/delivery, 500Nm should always be faster than 430Nm all else equal. Toyota's truly amazing achievement isn't that the 4 cylinder if faster. It is the mind bending ability to get so little power and torque out of such a large engine. Kinda reminds me of sub 200hp large capacity American pushrod V8s shortly after emission controls came in.
Toyota should fit side and curtain airbags in the Land Cruiser 76 wagon.
Toyota not taking orders on V8 70 series and never will again. My dealer gave me news yesterday.
Paul your gear changes tho lol
When they do these tests i just dont understand why they never use the same variation of vehicle. You've got a 4 door ute, a 2 door ute and a wagon!
Which motor will get to 1 million kays , which ones will get half that and will be worn out
What's the point in buying the 2.8 cruiser at this point? Why not just buy the hilux if it has the same motor and is cheaper?
Landcruiser 70 are still made in Japan , have a solid front axle ,bigger payload and 130L fuel tank
The 4 cylinder is basically a parado motor
Man, listening to that V8 during the drag race is torture... shame, it's not made for racing.
Both 4 cylinder identical
The brick shape is its handicap
The problem is the 70 series should have been redesigned years ago with the drive train of the 200 series, then your 4 cylinders would be miles behind
Users knew well that Hilux was better than the landcruiser v8 .It's good Toyota listens and improved it with the inline 4cyclinder
After 10 yrs & 300,000km I’d be happy in the land cruiser
if the V8 was an automatic that would have been a hell of a race.. The problem with V8 is gear conversion ratio, automatic is faster when it comes to gear conversion ratio. The Hilux is lighter in weight compared to its counter part, the 4 cylinder Landcruiser.
Sooo what’s the point in the 4 cylinder 70 series?
Because it’s better than the v8 in every single way?
@@Bigsoot7393 buy a hilux
I think the three of them is 4 cylinder Paul your driving a 4 cylinder 😊 sorry if I'm wrong maybe try and check 😊
Toyota manufacturers are just making a mockery with those 2.8 diesel engines those are too expensive in maintenance and they have made a vast majorities of the 2.8 - 4 cylinders to believe that they have changed the world 🌎 to buy that engines- years ago the land cruiser lc 70&79 didn't easily carry the same engines as other various models Toyota vehicles..
The V8 would last longer if towing 3.5 tonne often. big 4 cylinder motors are cheaper to build than 3-4 liter straight 6's but they are better if ya have to tow.
For the quarter mile time, the v8 had a full tank of fuel vs the others had half a tank? Wondering if they were the same weight for the drag races based on purely fact sheet numbers or if current fuel tank levels were taken into consideration as that could be 60-70L of fuel difference between the land cruisers and 90L between the v8 and the hilux. Just out of curiosity
Diesel is 84kg/100L. It would make SFA difference.
Yep they all weighed the same for the matched weight tests.
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It depends on the man behind the wheels.
How? Plant the pedal faster?
@@mitchell5064 More like plant the accelerator down and whipp your legs off the cluth pedal and off you go.
And the hilux is towards the end of the performance for its class. Ouch
Lol keep saving mate
Tune the V8 with a G350 and do it again!! 300 rwhp and 900nm for $10k!
The V8 is underpowered, it has a shit load more potential
Sick of these reviews stock vs stock, we get it
racing farmtrucks in 2024
But the land cruiser V8 SUV performs way better than that of a V8 land cruiser wagon is it the gear box or different in weight,educate me here guys
Was the Hilux a manual? if not thats so unfair!!!!!