@Hilda Oak Faith can be a "gift" only in the context of freedom, the freedom to believe. In an idealized Islamic society, faith is a burden and hardly a "gift".
@Danjou Skeptic You are conflating freedom with poor judgement and self-destruction. We are wired and organized to do what is best for ourselves, and most of us achieve this: that is, we don't self-destruct. We are also wired to rear our young with the expectation that they will choose freely what is good for them upon maturity. These "caveats" don't reduce freedom. They actually enhance it, because we must be taught how best to use freedom through trial and error. The majority of people in France and Italy drink wine regularly; is mass drunkenness looming on the horizon for these cultures? No. This one-rule-fits-all or blanket ban where effects can be mitigated and consequences are radically different depending on the individual (ie alcohol is bad for humans and human societies, period) is an utter impediment to human well-being.
Great discussion, amazing hearing some rationale on the matter, always admirable seeing Daniel discuss these matters openly and genuinely, not diluting and staying strong on the truth, any plans on more videos? I think discussions on other topics that oppose the liberal behemoth with Daniel Haqiqatjou in the future would be extremely useful and informative such as the flaws, contradictions and lies in liberalism, secularism, feminism etc.
@ Absolutely. Forget faith for a moment, just intellectual freedom is a No-Go in Islam and idealized Islamic society. One word Daniel avoids constantly is DOGMA.
@@jantheslovakmuslimask mufti Abu layth to come on and discuss this. Or if you want a "traditional" scholars take on apostasy look up Taha Jabir Alalwanys book Apostasy in Islam...Daniels "take" is far off the mark, and unfortunately the truths err half truths that he does mention in the video he misrepresents.
@@engineered.mechanized to be honest, no, I dont think he is traditional orthodox scholar, and thats why I added the caveat in the very next sentence "if you want a traditional scholars take" when I recommended Sheikh Alwanis book. However, Mufti Abu Layth does a good job at summarizing Alwanis approach to apostasy and deconstruction of past scholars stance, even tho Alwanis book goes more into detail and dismantles the generally accepted position on apostasy point by point methodically. Just because Abu Layth isn't traditional or orthodox doesn't mean he isn't an Alim and not qualified to make judgement. Many great scholars throughout time weren't considered "traditional orthodox" scholars at the time of their work, like Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Hazm for instance.
Salaam all, Good talk between two young warriors on UA-cam. One of the greatest things is that learning no longer available at high educational institutions. Beautiful thing is that we can become students. Lifelong learning.
Jazakallah khair for the podcast brother jan, im new to your channel n so far im loving it. We should not be shy on talking about this matter with muslims or non muslims, keep it up bro!
Salaam, as I am from a muslim nation And the people I live with are mostly practicing.. (but people in power are trying to promote liberalism) we wont exchange our deen and harmony for anything.. Only when a person get to live in a muslim society a person will understand the ni’mah of islam.. we have lived our life so happily and peacefully ( not in worldly materialistic terms. In most islands, the living standards are medium or lets say its low) but we lived our childhood with no real non-muslim threats but now its changing slowly.. when I watch every video I feel truly blessed to be a muslimah and specially to live in a muslim society Al hamdhulillah for Islam
Last time when brother Daniel spoke with Paul, he mentioned that feminists do not have a monopoly on women's rights and protection. I would like to learn from Daniel on how democracy do not have a monopoly on the rights and peace and justice. In other words the limitation of democracy (in the perspective of a Muslim)
Subhan'Allah the point brother Daniel made about conversion therapy was very profound. May Allah preserve him, he is waking up a lot of the world alhumdullilah. Great conversion Mash'Allah may Allah bless you both ameen
I think this is a very sensitive issue. I will say this is Daniel's understanding of the issue. I would like to add another point which is -in my opinion- more important; Emaan has three parts. Believing by heart, the announcement by word, and the declaration by action. The fatwa of Apostasy by the Islamic government is declared in these cases; -If someone has clearly announced it, by word. -If someone has acted in a certain way, such as going to war against the state, or espionage, or worship of idols. An Aalim will know this part more. -The fatwa of apostasy is not declared in case of hypocrisy. This is because no one can know what's in someone's heart. That's just my understanding of the issue,
the modern nation state system, developed after ww2, is secular in nature where the binding force of people of a state is the constitution of the country If someone goes against the constitution, he gets arrested, fined, imprisoned etc. ... In an Islamic state, the constitution is Islam itself ... Secular constitution is written by some people (usually racists, colonizers, slave-owners etc.) Our constitution is defined by the Creator Himself
@@jantheslovakmuslim yeah youre correct I meant to say that it was adopted by the rest of the world after ww2 Before that, there used to be Empires with rough borders
@@jantheslovakmuslim Daniel living comfortably in the West a place that promotes freedom of speech and religion that allow him to say the nonsense he is saying, is trying to tell you the West liberal is brutal against defectors and that is a equivalent to Islam KILLING someone just for disbelief Bro I know you're smarter than that. Don't fall for this bullshit
There is no law to force/compulse a non-muslim to accept Islam. This is prohibited in Islam. Quran says: "There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion." (2:256) But there is law for apostasy. An apostate is not killed without warning. Even though his crime is so great, he is given a last chances, days and time to think, reflect and repent. If he repents, he is left alone; if he insists and does not repent, then it is command of God to execute him. Bible also has laws of executing apostates. This cannot be done by individuals and can only be done in an Islamic state, by an Islamic ruler who follows Islamic sharia (law). Leaving God's religion and leaving your job at McDonald's is not the same thing. By leaving Islam, the apostate opens the way for everyone who wants to leave the faith, thus spreading apostasy and encouraging it. This is law of God to show that religion of God is not something to mess around and play games with. To take God, his religion and the eternal afterlife seriously. To stop the spread of atheism in society which caused the most death in history. You or I being a speck of creation cannot comprehend all knowledge and wisdom behind God's laws and actions. If God exists then his laws have wisdom behind it and are objective. And man made laws are fallible and subjective.
@@Ashantia35 No, it should not be rejected if it's true religion from God and atheism and other religions should be rejected that caused the most death.
@@AdrianMuslim True God will not Do this So if any person or religion do this unjust and immoral Act then it's from a False God delusional person Will believe on that unjust God What's your response to this popular objection used by both non Muslims and Modernist Muslims
Though we’ll refer to ridda as apostasy for the sake of convenience, as in so many cases, the heart of the matter lies in the simple act of translation. In the time of the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ and the early Muslim community, the Arabic noun ridda and the verb for engaging in it were understood not as meaning a personal choice of changing one’s religion but as the public act of political secession from the Muslim community. Interestingly, this dimension of apostasy as betraying and opposing one’s community, missing in the normal usage of the English word ‘apostasy,’ is actually recovered in sociological studies of apostasy. Many studies looking at those who leave religious groups as well as communities defined by secular ideologies show that what distinguishes apostates from those who simply leave is that apostates become active opponents of their previous identity, more renegades than mere dissenters. Along the same lines, the problem with ridda in Islam was not that a person was exercising their freedom of conscience and choosing to no longer follow the religion. The problem was when such a decision became a public act with political implications. But also there is no compulsion in the religion and God told us clearly in the Quran so many places, such as Quran (chapter 2:256), (Quran 109:1-6) and other places that we can’t force. By the way it’s good topic keep going may God bless you both.
Alhamdulillah, your channel is growing. Hope you make revert story series next year. Muslims love revert stories. Always inspiring to hear. Please keep up your good work.👍
Brilliant discussion, its important to say things like they are because if Muslims don't hear it from Muslims they will hear it from non-Muslims and will think it was being hidden or they were being lied to. Abu Bakar fought wars because of tribes apostatizing it's not a small matter. Also as long apostasy is kept to yourself people will assume you are just a bad Muslim its only when you start sharing it that it becomes known.
@@jantheslovakmuslim it seems that way*. You see in the youtube community anyways, that the people who are against islamic laws/Islam, often are more informed on then islamic issues than your average Muslim. Although, a lot of them are wrong in their understanding, but you'll see they are more knowledgeable on oslamic issues and when they ask muslims, often muslims do not have a response or are unaware... conversations like these are what helps eliminate all of these issues/misconceptions because it is better to have a correct knowledge from inslamic paradigm available than for there to be nothing left and room for speculation.
Hi brother, I think you should invite Abdullah Al Andalusi, he is also a traditionalist but has different view on Apostasy Law. But I think he is quite busy though. Apostasy Law in general is very vagued and subjective even in Islamic Schools. Like I am Hanafi, most of the Islamic Empires were following Hanafi School as it was more nuanced and advanced for state. Apostasy in Hanafi Law is seen different. There are records that Imam Abu Hanifa used to give open public challenges to Atheists and debate them. Also interestingly, the Ottommon Empire, which was based on Hanafi Jurisprudence, used to maintain detail records of crimes, civil matters, evictions and so on, its called the ' Siggeel', and its even available in an online computerised record form. Surprisingly, if you check the number of Apostasy cases found guilty in that record in centuries were less than 10. I found it mind-blowing!
Nope Muslim by name never makes someone true Muslim. So we don’t care 🤷♀️ Islam will always win with or without you but without Islam we are lost.” Islam is the fastest growing religion the truth. Alhamdulillh for the beauty and the blessing of our beautiful religion Islam ❤️
@@alhamdulillhforislam458 maybe he was. I get the same feedback from Christians who tell me that I was never a Christian..its not correct because you dont know so don't judge.
*We read in many Books of Sunni sect that once Caliph Umar RA planned to write a Book of Sunnah but before that, he did one month Istakhaara (meditation upon God) in order to seek help from Allah Azza wa Jal that he should write Book of Sunnah or not! Then one day: Caliph Umar RA came out and addressed Muslims: By Allah: In Islam, I will not permit any other book beside Book of Allah. Nations before you were gone astray because they abandoned Book of Allah and Stuck to other books*
*We read in all Famous Books of Sunni sect that Caliph Umar RA banned and Burned all extra-Quranic Hadiths but still Three Companions of Prophet (Sahaba) were spreading Hadiths. Caliph Umar RA called those three, and said: what are those Hadiths of Rasool-Allah which you are spreading among People! Then Caliph Umar RA placed those Three Companions under HOUSE ARREST FOR LIFE due to their Hadith Mongering. Dhahabi is King of Hadith Literature, and he has graded that report as SAHIH.*
A book you might be interested in: God is Watching You: How the Fear of God Makes Us Human by Dominic Johnson. Although it’s written from a Darwinist view, it outlines the superiority of Divine Authority and Punishment. Joseph de Maistre is also very good on these subjects.
We read in Tazkara of Dhahabi and in other books that after death of Prophet: Caliph Abu Bakr RA addressed Muslims, and said: O People: Those people who worship Mohammad, must know that Mohammad is dead now, and those people who worship Allah, must know that Allah is living and HE will never die, then Abu Bakr recited Quranic verse 3:144. Later Abu Bakr told Muslims "La Tuhadithu". Do not narrate Hadiths from Rasool but decide all matters according to Quran. What its makes Halal is Halal and what its makes Haram is Haram. We also read from oldest history book of Islamic history of Ibn Is'haq and in many other books too that on the day of death, just before his death: Rasool addressed People and said: *_"O men! Fire is kindled and like the parts of a dark night the mischief got nearer. I swear by God that there is nothing of which you can accuse me; I have not declared lawful anything other than those mentioned in the Quran, nor have I declared unlawful anything than those mentioned in the Quran"._* Darimi was Teacher of Bukhari. He writes in his book Masnad Darimi that Prophet said: Do not write from me any thing except Quran, and any one who have already written down from me any thing except Quran MUST erase it. We also read in Darimi, Tirmidhi and in many other books that some Sahaba (companions) approached to Prophet and asked Permission to write his hadiths but Prophet turned down their request. We read in Musannaf Ibn Shaybah and in many other books that Caliph Ali RA told Muslims to erase all hadiths. We read in one book of Ibn Kathir: That Caliph Umar RA met a group of Hadith-Spreaders, and he told them: Your talks are lies and your hearsay Hadiths are lies which you narrate like I heard from this and that etc. I Say to you: stop this and stand only with Book of Allah. We read that one day Prophet came to deliver Sermon and he said: I have heard that some people are writing my hadiths but I am just a mortal man like you all (same in Quran 18:110). So People burned their already written hadiths. Caliph Umar RA once sent one Team of Muslim-Preachers to Iraq lead by Qarza bin Kab. During journey, Caliph Umar RA accompanied that group to a town ISRAR, and he addressed team: Do you know why have I come with you so far? They answered: In order to encourage and honor us: Caliph Umar RA said: You are also right but I came to remind you that when you reach there; do not entangle people in hadiths. Qarza said: after that date: he never narrated any hadith. This reports us graded as Authentic. *We read in famous book Tabaqaat al-Kubra of Ibn S'ad: that One person narrated that he stayed with Great Sahabi Ibn Masoud (used to live in house of Prophet as servant) for several years, and I never saw him narrating any Hadith except one day when he said: And Rasool-Allah said, and then he immediately paused and bent forward taking support of his staff which was now vibrating, and he said InshaAllah, and sweat-drops were flowing down from his forehead. Because Ibn Masoud was aware that Prophet forbade to narrate his hadiths* We do not talk in vain. You can read all original scanned book References in our page TRUE HISTORY OF HADITHS AND SUNNAH
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But an individual internally apostatizing can still 'liquefy Islam as they would if done openly, as Daniel put it because then you just have people teaching their friends/family/community members the negative about Islam underground. For example, i apostatize, i stop praying, fasting, giving zakat and then i start telling my young kids that all this religion is nonsense, Muhammad(pbuh) was x,y,z and now ive instilled this negative thought into my kids who will teach their kids, who will teach their kids, who will teach their kids, until you have such a huge amount of people 'fake' believing in Islam. However, Daniel makes an excellent point in using Afghanistan and modern liberalism! Even, i used to think this but never linked it to apostatizing. For example, i used to think if most people in Afghanistan want to have Shariah and be ruled by Taliban then who cares what the few think about having a liberal state, they lost the elections and that is how democracy works, but still USA/West bomb the heck and starve Afghanistan. MADNESS! This is technically Afghan people 'apostatizing' from the norm(liberalism) and then being punished for it which DOES lead to death(mass murder in fact) On the contrary, i wonder how Daniel would coincide the verses from the Quran which state, religion is not a compulsion and that the Muhammad(pbuh) is nothing more than a warner and its not his job to change anyone's faith. I do feel this hard apostacy law to be quite unfair too, 3 days to think, if not then killed? This doesn't show that the religion is not compulsory but the opposite. Also, from what i remember, if any executions did take place was because people were 'reverting' to Islam to get into gatherings, collect secret information and hand it back out to the pagans who at that time were the enemies in a sense they were in battle. So, this would put the whole ummah which was a small number under threat and open to ambushes/attacks and therefore this apostacy law was strict in order to protect Islam/Ummah from harm. And that is how we should see the apostasy law today, if one leaves Islam and continues normally then cool but if they start to put Islam/muslim's lives at risk then apostacy should be applied. Regardless, a very insightful discussion. Loved it.
I kinda disagree with Daniel that there isn't a distinction between major or minor apostasy. Jabir reported: A bedouin came to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and gave the pledge of allegiance for embracing Islam. The next day he came with a fever and said, “Please cancel my pledge.” The Prophet refused three times and he said: الْمَدِينَةُ كَالْكِيرِ تَنْفِي خَبَثَهَا، وَيَنْصَعُ طَيِّبُهَا Medina is like a furnace. It expels its impurities and collects what is pure. Source: Sahih Bukhari 1784, Grade: Sahih In this example, a man rejected Islam after embracing it but the Prophet did not apply legal punishment to him. Regarding the major apostasy, the Prophet was clear in advising us that legal punishment is not applied to a minor apostate, but only a major apostate. Also how does one reconcil with this narration. Ibn Abbas reported: كَانَ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ سَعْدِ بْنِ أَبِي سَرْحٍ يَكْتُبُ لِرَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَأَزَلَّهُ الشَّيْطَانُ فَلَحِقَ بِالْكُفَّارِ فَأَمَرَ بِهِ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ أَنْ يُقْتَلَ يَوْمَ الْفَتْحِ فَاسْتَجَارَ لَهُ عُثْمَانُ بْنُ عَفَّانَ فَأَجَارَهُ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ Abdullah ibn Sa’d ibn Abi Sarh would write to the Messenger of Allah but the devil deceived him and he joined the unbelievers. The Messenger of Allah ordered that he should be killed on the day of liberation, but Uthman ibn Affan sought protection for him, so the Messenger of Allah granted him protection. Source: Sunan Abu Dawud 4358, Grade: Sahih In this example, a man embraced Islam and then rejected it by joining the idolaters of Mecca who at the time were waging war against the Muslims. When Mecca surrendered to the Prophet without a fight, Uthman ibn Affan sought protection for this apostate and the Prophet honored this covenant. This is because, as a general rule, the protection granted by a single Muslim should be honored by all Muslims.
"Jabir reported: A bedouin came to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and gave the pledge of allegiance for embracing Islam. The next day he came with a fever and said, “Please cancel my pledge.” The Prophet refused three times and he said: الْمَدِينَةُ كَالْكِيرِ تَنْفِي خَبَثَهَا، وَيَنْصَعُ طَيِّبُهَا Medina is like a furnace. It expels its impurities and collects what is pure. Source: Sahih Bukhari 1784, Grade: Sahih" This is about that companion having severe fever. This pledge of leaving medina
2:28 Let's say hypothetically that the Slovak government had capital punishment for anyone who converted to Islam which was the death penalty not those who were born Muslim only those who accepted Islam and became Muslim and if the authorities found out that you had converted to Islam then you would be given three days to leave Islam if you didn't then you are liable to the death penalty for converting to Islam your kids and your family will be separated from you now tell me how would you feel at that very moment I know what you are going to say thats how it exaclty feels like under Islamic sharia when you leave Islam and become murtad.
Well of course Daniel is not an authority on apostasy but I think his perspective is interesting, however I also don't agree with him on every point :)
@@jantheslovakmuslim Yes, I agree you will very rarely have found such a punishment implemented. The Ottomans were the largest (Islamic) dynasty in history and you will seldom find they implemented this punishment. What I doike about Daniel is is understanding of modernity, western civilisation and liberalism. He is very articulate and a gem when it comes to debates.
44:15 Yes, it is true that Christian traditions aren't preserved but I don't think Islamic traditions are preserved either its ironic when Muslims say so confidently our tradition is preserved and our religiion is perfect and suprior then any religion but if you do some real research the truth comes to you.
Just to remind everyone, in many masonic and judaic communities, capital punishment for apostasy is still a thing. Not mentioning other communities around the world.
Read Article 18 from the Declaration of Universal Human Rights. It says that everybody is free to choose a belief-system or religion and practice and profess it. It adds that people are free to change to another religion and be free to practice and profess that. Why does it explicitly add that one is allowed to change and practice and profess the new religion? Well because some religions try to take believers who want to leave in an emotional stranglehold by adding conditions for after the separation. Judge for yourself what message Islam sends about apostates: Are they citizens who just exercise their right and are equally respected? No: In Islam the leadership declares apostates guilty of something that is so heinous that it deserves capital punishment. The vigilante attacks on apostates are directly linked to the leadership declaring apostates deserving of capital punishment. At about 20:40 Daniel H. with a confident air states that All communities punish defectors. is this true? If you think about it: no you can leave the Abba-fanclub, the fan-club of your local sports-team without being punished as a defector. You can also leave most major churches without repercussions. Catholicism, many bigger protestant churches. The groups that shun apostates are usually smaller protestant groups. But the rest do not. Islam is like a bad husband that when the relationship does not work and you file for divorce goes to the judge and says that you signed a contract that considers leaving treason, and that therefore considers the leaver worthy of capital punishment. The judge asks: "and who decides on whether the leaver committed treason"? To which the husband replies: "Me".
@@jantheslovakmuslim There is not one caliphate with one government. There are just a bunch of states that ave Shariah at the core of their legal system. And all of those countries have significant deviations from pure Sharia. The simplest example is Slavery which was held on to by Mauritania the longest, but is now abandoned even there. So capital punishments for apostates is only law in a limited number of countries and not implemented the same. Vigilante murders of apostates are much more common, Bangladesh sees many cases. The UK has seen a number of attacks. (check the legalizeapostasy site ) Don't forget that in Iraq svereal clerics where captured on camera still marrying minor girls because "God's Law is more important than man's law". So the concept that the religion supersedes what the countries laws may say, is not uncommon in Islam. Fact remains that if multiple religions want to live together peacefully in one state it is easiest to accept all religions as equally important and give citizens the right to switch religion and profess/practice. There is a "streetinterviews palestine sharia" clip where you see some palestinians agree that sharia should be the bases, but also several who ay that peaceful coexistence with the jews and christians and others means citizens should have equal rights under the law or there will never be peace. I think Islam is just plain wrong on Apostasy. It makes Islam the agressor who cannot let go respectfully. Daniel omits to explicitly state that his assumption of one Caliphate sounds nice, but the theology is not clear and the Ummah is divided. A caliphate can simply declare "deviancy" apostasy. Shias and "deviant" Sunnis were both executed by Isis on those grounds. Ibn Baaaz (former influential Saudi cleric) had a fatwa that declared anyone promoting the deviant idea that the earth rotated around the sun was to be declared apostate and executed. The assumption that there is one law of God is poppycock. There are widely varying interpretations and orthodox Muslims have had no qualms about executing those that switched to different Muslim belief systems as apostates.
@@kingsentertainment786 it is not a religion. So I am not sure you can have apostisy from Universal Human Rights. i do think it is best to give all citizens equal rights under the law. But I do not see a divinity or divine purpose behind it. So I do not think one can be an apostate from it. How do you imagine apostasy from the idea that equal rights under the law for all citizens removes many problems/causes of conflict?
@@ohana_is_family I think you are weak in your definitions. Religion is a set of values and beliefs. To explain quick, whats the difference between killing a man and dismantling a doll? They are just different arrangements of carbon atoms. You might say well it pains, but we can reduce it down to simple chemical processes. So from a secular physical atheistic view, every value we ascribe to a human or anything is purely a metaphysical imagination of human being (acc to naturalists or atheists) So any ideology that deals with, thus, be it Islam, Christianity, Communism, Capitalism, Humanism and all isms-schisms are just subjective human perpectives that have no objective reasoning. In 21st century, it is the hegemony of eurocentricism, thus any third world ideology succumbs to it. In past, it was Islam so any non Muslim would scuccumb and use Islam as its yard stick.
11:10 I think brother Daniel should think about the question again. You can't say ' those Muslims assume previous scholars were wrong". Not all Muslims believe previous scholars were wrong. How can you know what people are thinking? Many Muslims are like myself, are students. Some are complete beginners. They are just asking questions about those hadiths that mentioned people were not punished for leaving Islam. It is not about Cherry picking hadiths. They are there. So many wants to why? Are you saying those Hadiths pardoning people who are leaving Islam wrong? Does not this show that punishing people who left Islam are situational? They were punished in some cases and in other cases they were excused? Maybe it is not straightforward. May ALLAH bless us with pure knowledge of Islam. Ameen!!!
I understand brother. Salam, may ALLAH guide us all! I shared a video of another person explaining this subject. In sha ALLAH, you don't mind. Many people are confused. Of course, it is created by evil non Muslims(not all non Muslims are evil), but ma sha ALLAH and alhamdulillah. So far we have answers for their evil claims and it will make Muslims stronger if we can answer those questions. Let's face it, not everyone's iman level is the same. We should help those people who are seeking answers, not level them as "weak Muslims" and say terrible things about them. We should pick them up.
Ok cool. Your comments are also a bit harsh. Why are you so aggressive? Of course, it's not comfortable - we're talking about death here. So think before you write, please.
@@jantheslovakmuslim Brother, be based, of course this is not a topic to be taking lighly, but I hate how many people are shy, and want to justify anyway possible, suddenly they have become scholars, As if that wasnt enough they are asking for modernists to be on your channel. In my opinion sometimes harshness is not that bad. When there is to much softness we need smt to balance it. I may not be the best one for that, but I will still do it... We need more based comments...
How is killing someone justifiable when they’re guilty of treason but not when they treason against God people are so outraged by the punishment. Let’s not be hypocrites!
And again brother Jan., You should put more emphasis on the other 99% simple to comprehend issues in Islam rather than the 1% controversial. This is a trap of the anti-islamic speakers. They conveniently ignore all Islamic goodies and rather keep shouting on few controversial issues.
That's exactly the reason we should talk about it right? :) If we don't then you let other people own your narrative. It doesn't make sense to be quiet about this.
Takže podľa Daniela by mali mať ľudia v nemoslimských krajinách právo konvertovať zo svojho pôvodného náboženstva na islam, ale zároveň by ľudia v moslimských krajinách nemali mať právo konvertovať z islamu na iné náboženstvá. Som zvedavý ako by sa tomuto mudrlantovi páčilo keby v napríklad v Brazílii zriadili trest smrti pre ľudí ktorý opustia v katolícke kresťanstvo, v takomto prípade by on vyplakával nad tým, že Brazílska vláda je extrémne netolerantná k ľuďom ktorí by chceli konvertovať na islam. Náboženský fundamentalizmus je asi tá najhoršia duševná porucha aká existuje.
No trochu miesate lebo Brazilska vlada je sekularna a nema v ustave zakotvene ze sa bude riadit Bibliou. Islam je v tomto iny ze tam nie je oddelenie cirkvi od statu a moslimske krajiny maju Islamske ustavy. A inak to co Daniel hovori nie je oficialne stanovisko moslimov ale jeho nazor. Krestanstvo nie je politicky system ale Islam je. V nasom kontexte to nedava zmysel riesit lebo na Slovensku ani nikde na svete takato vlada neexistuje - dokonca ani v moslimskych krajinach. Takze nepozerajte na to ako debatu o individualnej potrebe nabozenstva ale skor ako systeme vlady. Ak je spolocnost a pravo zalozene na Islame tak je to trochu ine ako ked je vsetko sekularne ako u nas v Europe. Na Slovensku je nabozenstvo vnimane len ako nejaka doplnkova vec v zivote skor kultura ako realna pravda. Pre moslimov je nabozenstvo Islam vsetko. A vsetko sa toci okolo tohto konceptu. Takze radsej sa treba pozriet na to preco si to moslimovia myslia a ake maju tvrdenia na podlozenie ich viery.
@@jantheslovakmuslim chápem, že to nie je oficiálne stanovisko moslimov, preto sa nesťažujem na islam, ale na náboženský fundamentalizmus a to nie len moslimský, ale akýkoľvek druh náboženského fundamentalizmu. Nemám nič proti tomu keď človek konvertuje na islam, ale vadí mi, keď takýto ľudia ako Daniel sa rozčuľujú nad tým, že v dnešnej dobe nie je v poriadku ľuďom násilne vnucovať náboženstvo.
From this answer he doesn't understand anything he think he's answering y he was talking about external things but nothing about Islam because the law for the
I don't agree with brother Daniel. There is no support from Quran or hadiths for death penalty. Scholars were not wrong but in their time religion was like nationality today. The hadith that say " who ever change his religion kill him" that will mean also who ever convert to Islam should be killed. That makes sense only in time of war. You don't want to have people of your enemy claiming to be Muslim. Brother Daniel dismissed " there is no compulsion in religion " it's not about non Muslims. The verse was a response to a sahabi his son converted to Judaism. He went to the prophet asking what to do.
There is a major difference between someone who has a difference of opinion based on his knowledge, and someone who has a difference of opinion based on his whims and desires. You seem to be the former, therefore I respect your difference of opinion even If I may disagree with it, unlike another particular individual in this comment section. If I may ask, can you bring me evidence for your claim about a companion's son converting to Judaism?
@@jantheslovakmuslim But it's important to agree on religious matter if anyone disagree on Matter of Religion like Disagreeing with Prophets, Shahaba,Majority of Scholars then that person disbelieve on a matter of religion
…and that is one of the reasons I don’t like fundamentalist Islam, or Christianity. It’s not supportive of critical thinking, it conflicts with modern scientific understandings of the world (which weren’t touched upon here), and like many other religions, it’s a fear-based belief system. I think it’s all well and necessary to criticize Western interventionism, but if hindsight is worth anything, I can see so many problems with a system where people who leave that system are to be executed. There is not a single system in history where this idea has been consistently upheld. At the very least, if you don’t care about human lives in a general sense, one has to question the effectiveness of this approach. 34:06 As cynical as he is, I don’t think his characterization here is true. America seems to have left Afghanistan by its own choice. If America wanted to stay in Afghanistan, it seems like it easily could have done so. The problem that I have with Haqiqatjou’s framing is that it seems as though the real reasons the countries have been occupied really has little if nothing to do with any sort of humanitarian issue. It seems like it’s a matter of realpolitik, it’s a matter of extracting resources or making financial gain. The human rights argument is just a guise used to justify occupation, it’s an effective PR move, but it doesn’t make sense that wealthy countries would occupy and kill foreigners because they want to spread same-sex marriage or have women go to school, LOL. How do you think these countries became wealthy? 51:40 What is he talking about, has he read or been familiar with Alfred Kinsey’s work at all? His whole work about sexual fluidity is well-regarded in the LGBT+ community. The idea of “born this way” is not completely settled in science, neither is the idea that people are not. Also Jan, correct me if I’m wrong but this conversation seems to have gone beyond the scope of what you had prepared for!
@@jantheslovakmuslim Hell? Hell is one of the secrets of success to the three Abrahamic religions, it strikes fear in the believer and is used as a cognitive tool to get people afraid of leaving or questioning the religion. You can go on UA-cam and find many ex-Muslims and ex-Christians who said it took years and they are still going through their anxieties of eternal damnation, images of their skin being burned off only to grow back forever as they burn with their families. That sounds pretty fear-based to me, and it’s even harder if you’re born into those religions and have the religion hammered into you and your society every day because you are very much aware that the threat of leaving the religion is more than just Hell, but potentially execution, even though you had no meaningful choice to believe because you grew up being told that the religion was true.
@@potts995 but if Helll is real then it's irrelevant that there's also fear. If you don't believe in Hell then what's your problem? 😀 Faith is based on logic, arguments and spiritual experiences. The revelation however keeps telling us about judgement and then hell or heaven. It's part of the religion. It's not the reason why I believe in Islam or God.
@@jantheslovakmuslim IF it’s real, it’s understandable, but if it’s not, then a religion is basically just inflicting trauma on people based off of falsehoods, and that’s one helluva wager!
*People who have read and understood whole Quran without superimposing on Quran any man-made book, know well that Punishment for an Apostate among Muslims has Political Base. It does not have any base in Islamic Law which is valid ONLY and ONLY from Quran only 6:114. In Islam, Authority for Islamic law is only BOOK of Allah, not School of Thoughts, not Imams, not even Prophet Mohammad who was warned by God in Quran 66:1 not to make his own laws but follow the Divine Law which are given in Quran 6:114, 10:15, 6:19, 16:116, 10:59-60.* *Politically, Muslim Rulers thought that apostasy is concomitant to Treason, so they made its punishment as Capital Punishment. Just like For woman; Niqab, Burqa, or even head cover is not Islamic Law=Quranic law but is mere optional Culture. In the same way: Beard is not an Islamic Law but a Optional Culture. Five Namaz Rituals are not Islamic but made by Sunni and Shia Clergy. Quranic Salat is absolutely not Five Rituals. Rituals of Funeral. Rituals of two Eids, and non-Quranic Rituals at the time of Hajj are not part of Islam.*
In more than one place, the Qur'an enjoins obedience to the Prophet and makes it a duty of the believers to submit to his judgment and his authority without question. The following ayat are all explicit on this theme, all of which are quoted by al-Shafi'i in his renowned work, Al-Risalah (P. 47ff): And whatever the Messenger gives you, take it, and whatever he forbids you, abstain from it (al-Hashr, 59:7). Obey God and obey the Messenger and those who are in charge of affairs among you. Should you happen to dispute over something, then refer it to God and to the Messenger (al-Nisa', 4:58-59). To refer the judgment of a dispute to God means recourse to the Qur'an, and referring it to the Messenger means recourse to the Sunnah.[22. Shatibi, Muwafaqat, IV, 7.] In another passage, the Qur'an emphasizes: 'Whoever obeys the Messenger verily obeys God' (al-Nisa 4:80). And finally, the Qur'an is categorical to the effect that the definitive rulings of the Qur'an and Sunnah are binding on the believers in that they are no longer at liberty to differ with the dictates of the divine will or to follow a course of their own choice: 'Whenever God and His Messenger have decided a matter' it is not for a faithful man or woman to follow another course of his or her own choice' (al-Ahzab, 33:36). In yet another place the Qur'an stresses that submission to the authority of the Prophet is not a matter of mere formalistic legality but is an integral part of the Muslim faith: 'By thy Lord, they will not believe till they make thee a judge regarding disagreements between them and find in themselves no resistance against accepting your verdict in full submission' (al-Nisa', 4:65). It is concluded from these and other similar passages in the Qur'an that the Sunnah is a proof next to the Qur'an in all shar'i matters and that conformity to the terms of Prophetic legislation is a Qur'anic obligation on all Muslims. 'The Companions have reached a consensus on this point: Both during the lifetime of the Prophet and following his demise' they eagerly obeyed the Prophet's instructions and followed his examples regardless as to whether his commands or prohibitions originated in the Qur'an or otherwise. The first two Caliphs Abu Bakr and Umar; resorted to the Sunnah of the Prophet whenever they knew of it.
Sunnah al-Nabi (or Sunnah al-Rasul), that is, the Prophetic Sunnah, does not occur in the Qur'an as such. But the phrase uswah hasanah (excellent conduct) which occurs in sura-al-Ahzab (33:21) in reference to the exemplary conduct of the Prophet is the nearest Qur'anic equivalent of Sunnah al-Nabi.[4. The ayah in question addresses the believers in the following terms: 'Certainly you have, in the Messenger of God, an excellent example' (al-Ahzab, 33:21).] The uswah, or example of the Prophet, was later interpreted to be a reference to his Sunnah. The Qur’an also uses the word 'hikmah' (lit-wisdom) as a source of guidance that accompanies the Qur'an itself. Al-Shafi'i quotes at least seven instances in the Qur'an where 'hikmah' occurs next to al-kitab (the Book). In one of these passages, which occurs in sura Al-Jum'ah (62:2), for example, we read that God Almighty sent a Messenger to educate and to purify the people by 'teaching them the Book and the hikmah'. According to al-Shafi'i's interpretation' which also represents the view of the majority, the word 'hikmah' in this context means the Sunnah of the Prophet.[5. Shafi'i, Risalah, pp. 44-45; Siba'i, Al-Sunnah, p.50.] Both the terms 'Sunnah' and Sunnah Rasul Allah' have been used by the Prophet himself and his companions. Thus when the Prophet sent Mu'adh b. Jabal as judge to the Yemen, he was asked as to the sources on which he would rely in making decisions. In reply Mu'adh referred first to the 'Book of Allah' and then to the 'Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah'.[6. Abu Dawud, Sunan (Hasan's trans.), III, 1019, Hadith no. 3585.] In another Hadith, the Prophet is reported to have said, 'I left two things among you. You shall not go astray so long as you hold on to them: the Book of Allah and my Sunnah (sunnati).[7. Shatibi, Muwafaqat, III, 197;
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Very good discussion, we don't need to be shy about our religion for anyone, especially Non-Muslims.
Thanks 😊
Faith is a gift and not everyone will have it.
yep
@Hilda Oak
Faith can be a "gift" only in the context of freedom, the freedom to believe. In an idealized Islamic society, faith is a burden and hardly a "gift".
@Danjou Skeptic You are conflating freedom with poor judgement and self-destruction. We are wired and organized to do what is best for ourselves, and most of us achieve this: that is, we don't self-destruct. We are also wired to rear our young with the expectation that they will choose freely what is good for them upon maturity. These "caveats" don't reduce freedom. They actually enhance it, because we must be taught how best to use freedom through trial and error. The majority of people in France and Italy drink wine regularly; is mass drunkenness looming on the horizon for these cultures? No. This one-rule-fits-all or blanket ban where effects can be mitigated and consequences are radically different depending on the individual (ie alcohol is bad for humans and human societies, period) is an utter impediment to human well-being.
Great discussion, amazing hearing some rationale on the matter, always admirable seeing Daniel discuss these matters openly and genuinely, not diluting and staying strong on the truth, any plans on more videos? I think discussions on other topics that oppose the liberal behemoth with Daniel Haqiqatjou in the future would be extremely useful and informative such as the flaws, contradictions and lies in liberalism, secularism, feminism etc.
Maybe we'll see. Thank you
@ Absolutely. Forget faith for a moment, just intellectual freedom is a No-Go in Islam and idealized Islamic society. One word Daniel avoids constantly is DOGMA.
Both the speakers were respectful towards eachother. Need more discussions like this one, really enjoyed! 🌻
thanks
Jan i think we need a scholar to actually understand this with the proof, because it's very sensitive issue...hope you can reach out one of them
Yes of course. Take this as Daniels take on this issue
It s only sensetive for previously brainwashed people ...
@@jantheslovakmuslimask mufti Abu layth to come on and discuss this. Or if you want a "traditional" scholars take on apostasy look up Taha Jabir Alalwanys book Apostasy in Islam...Daniels "take" is far off the mark, and unfortunately the truths err half truths that he does mention in the video he misrepresents.
@@bradchilders5546 Why Abu Layth? You think he is a traditional orthodox scholar of Islam?
@@engineered.mechanized to be honest, no, I dont think he is traditional orthodox scholar, and thats why I added the caveat in the very next sentence "if you want a traditional scholars take" when I recommended Sheikh Alwanis book. However, Mufti Abu Layth does a good job at summarizing Alwanis approach to apostasy and deconstruction of past scholars stance, even tho Alwanis book goes more into detail and dismantles the generally accepted position on apostasy point by point methodically. Just because Abu Layth isn't traditional or orthodox doesn't mean he isn't an Alim and not qualified to make judgement. Many great scholars throughout time weren't considered "traditional orthodox" scholars at the time of their work, like Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Hazm for instance.
Salaam all,
Good talk between two young warriors on UA-cam.
One of the greatest things is that learning no longer available at high educational institutions.
Beautiful thing is that we can become students.
Lifelong learning.
I'm not a warrior but thanks
Good work brother Jan. If one person is guided because of you, your mission is accomplished.
Thanks
Jazakallah khair for the podcast brother jan, im new to your channel n so far im loving it. We should not be shy on talking about this matter with muslims or non muslims, keep it up bro!
thx
Salaam,
as I am from a muslim nation And the people I live with are mostly practicing.. (but people in power are trying to promote liberalism)
we wont exchange our deen and harmony for anything..
Only when a person get to live in a muslim society a person will understand the ni’mah of islam.. we have lived our life so happily and peacefully ( not in worldly materialistic terms. In most islands, the living standards are medium or lets say its low) but we lived our childhood with no real non-muslim threats but now its changing slowly.. when I watch every video I feel truly blessed to be a muslimah and specially to live in a muslim society
Al hamdhulillah for Islam
Nice
Last time when brother Daniel spoke with Paul, he mentioned that feminists do not have a monopoly on women's rights and protection. I would like to learn from Daniel on how democracy do not have a monopoly on the rights and peace and justice. In other words the limitation of democracy (in the perspective of a Muslim)
Of course. Good topic for the next time
SUBHANALLAH ❤️🤍❤️
Very Insightful and Informative Discussion 👍🏻👌🏻
_May Allah ﷻ bless you and accept your efforts._
Beautiful closing message Brother Daniel, many thanks on behalf of the muslim Ummah
جمعة مباركة لكل المسلمين في كل أنحاء العالم
Ma Sha Allah, that was very beneficial and eye-opening❤.
thx
Subhan'Allah the point brother Daniel made about conversion therapy was very profound. May Allah preserve him, he is waking up a lot of the world alhumdullilah. Great conversion Mash'Allah may Allah bless you both ameen
I think this is a very sensitive issue. I will say this is Daniel's understanding of the issue. I would like to add another point which is -in my opinion- more important;
Emaan has three parts. Believing by heart, the announcement by word, and the declaration by action.
The fatwa of Apostasy by the Islamic government is declared in these cases;
-If someone has clearly announced it, by word.
-If someone has acted in a certain way, such as going to war against the state, or espionage, or worship of idols. An Aalim will know this part more.
-The fatwa of apostasy is not declared in case of hypocrisy. This is because no one can know what's in someone's heart.
That's just my understanding of the issue,
Yes I agree this is a sensitive topic and this is one of many interviews on this issue that I wanna have.
@@jantheslovakmuslim invite Yasir Qahdi or Sabir Ali
IT S ONLY SENSETIVE FOR PREVIOUSLY BRAINWASHED PEOPLE, you feel uncomfortable with this bc u grew up with another understanding, another worldview
@@Hello-vz1md No, never take those deviants
@@aymanus04 but he is a Muslim he grew up with Islamic worldview he is just using logic and morality
يا رب وفقنا لما تحبه وترضاه
the modern nation state system, developed after ww2, is secular in nature where the binding force of people of a state is the constitution of the country
If someone goes against the constitution, he gets arrested, fined, imprisoned etc.
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In an Islamic state, the constitution is Islam itself
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Secular constitution is written by some people (usually racists, colonizers, slave-owners etc.)
Our constitution is defined by the Creator Himself
Not really but ok. Modern state started in 1648, not after WW2. And not "some" people but elected officials write the constitution.
@@jantheslovakmuslim yeah youre correct
I meant to say that it was adopted by the rest of the world after ww2
Before that, there used to be Empires with rough borders
@@jantheslovakmuslim
Daniel living comfortably in the West a place that promotes freedom of speech and religion that allow him to say the nonsense he is saying, is trying to tell you the West liberal is brutal against defectors and that is a equivalent to Islam KILLING someone just for disbelief
Bro I know you're smarter than that. Don't fall for this bullshit
There is no law to force/compulse a non-muslim to accept Islam. This is prohibited in Islam. Quran says: "There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion." (2:256)
But there is law for apostasy.
An apostate is not killed without warning. Even though his crime is so great, he is given a last chances, days and time to think, reflect and repent. If he repents, he is left alone; if he insists and does not repent, then it is command of God to execute him. Bible also has laws of executing apostates.
This cannot be done by individuals and can only be done in an Islamic state, by an Islamic ruler who follows Islamic sharia (law).
Leaving God's religion and leaving your job at McDonald's is not the same thing. By leaving Islam, the apostate opens the way for everyone who wants to leave the faith, thus spreading apostasy and encouraging it. This is law of God to show that religion of God is not something to mess around and play games with. To take God, his religion and the eternal afterlife seriously. To stop the spread of atheism in society which caused the most death in history. You or I being a speck of creation cannot comprehend all knowledge and wisdom behind God's laws and actions. If God exists then his laws have wisdom behind it and are objective. And man made laws are fallible and subjective.
good point
Read Islamqa articles on Apostasy
Any organization, gang or religion that punish or kill you if you leave it is a cult and should be rejected
@@Ashantia35 No, it should not be rejected if it's true religion from God and atheism and other religions should be rejected that caused the most death.
@@AdrianMuslim True God will not Do this So if any person or religion do this unjust and immoral Act then it's from a False God delusional person Will believe on that unjust God
What's your response to this popular objection used by both non Muslims and Modernist Muslims
I love your attitude brother. You are very humble and have a great attitude for seeking knowledge.
Thx
Though we’ll refer to ridda as apostasy for the sake of convenience, as in so many cases, the heart of the matter lies in the simple act of translation. In the time of the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ and the early Muslim community, the Arabic noun ridda and the verb for engaging in it were understood not as meaning a personal choice of changing one’s religion but as the public act of political secession from the Muslim community.
Interestingly, this dimension of apostasy as betraying and opposing one’s community, missing in the normal usage of the English word ‘apostasy,’ is actually recovered in sociological studies of apostasy. Many studies looking at those who leave religious groups as well as communities defined by secular ideologies show that what distinguishes apostates from those who simply leave is that apostates become active opponents of their previous identity, more renegades than mere dissenters. Along the same lines, the problem with ridda in Islam was not that a person was exercising their freedom of conscience and choosing to no longer follow the religion. The problem was when such a decision became a public act with political implications.
But also there is no compulsion in the religion and God told us clearly in the Quran so many places, such as Quran (chapter 2:256), (Quran 109:1-6) and other places that we can’t force. By the way it’s good topic keep going may God bless you both.
we covered this point in podcast already
So you have become scholar now?
Alhamdulillah, your channel is growing. Hope you make revert story series next year. Muslims love revert stories. Always inspiring to hear. Please keep up your good work.👍
thx
Brilliant discussion, its important to say things like they are because if Muslims don't hear it from Muslims they will hear it from non-Muslims and will think it was being hidden or they were being lied to. Abu Bakar fought wars because of tribes apostatizing it's not a small matter. Also as long apostasy is kept to yourself people will assume you are just a bad Muslim its only when you start sharing it that it becomes known.
thanks
Non muslims know more about islam becuz they are not muslim.
@@nicktronson2977 how come? :)
@@jantheslovakmuslim it seems that way*. You see in the youtube community anyways, that the people who are against islamic laws/Islam, often are more informed on then islamic issues than your average Muslim. Although, a lot of them are wrong in their understanding, but you'll see they are more knowledgeable on oslamic issues and when they ask muslims, often muslims do not have a response or are unaware... conversations like these are what helps eliminate all of these issues/misconceptions because it is better to have a correct knowledge from inslamic paradigm available than for there to be nothing left and room for speculation.
Great discussion may Allah grant you jannah brothers
Nice and informative discussion.
Great efforts brother Jan, keep it up
Thanks
Keep up the good work mashallah
Thx
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Hi brother, I think you should invite Abdullah Al Andalusi, he is also a traditionalist but has different view on Apostasy Law. But I think he is quite busy though.
Apostasy Law in general is very vagued and subjective even in Islamic Schools. Like I am Hanafi, most of the Islamic Empires were following Hanafi School as it was more nuanced and advanced for state. Apostasy in Hanafi Law is seen different. There are records that Imam Abu Hanifa used to give open public challenges to Atheists and debate them.
Also interestingly, the Ottommon Empire, which was based on Hanafi Jurisprudence, used to maintain detail records of crimes, civil matters, evictions and so on, its called the ' Siggeel', and its even available in an online computerised record form. Surprisingly, if you check the number of Apostasy cases found guilty in that record in centuries were less than 10. I found it mind-blowing!
I know it's a complex topic. Wanna explore it further
@@SkillsFC24 read articles on Apostasy from Islamqa
@@SkillsFC24 No way. You are not correct brother. The right opinion is Daniel's opinion.
@@SkillsFC24 nope. I havent read/heard of any. Daniel pretty much follows the sound ahadith. If there are any hadith, do please point it out.
Great stuff, truly enjoyed this video!
Thanks
الحمد لله على نعمة الاسلام
MashaAllah great discussion 👍👍
Thx
Leaving islam is the best thing happened in my life.
How so?
Don't come to Islamic country and share this or you will face The punishment
@@jantheslovakmuslim ignore! Just another random troller.
Nope Muslim by name never makes someone true Muslim. So we don’t care 🤷♀️ Islam will always win with or without you but without Islam we are lost.” Islam is the fastest growing religion the truth. Alhamdulillh for the beauty and the blessing of our beautiful religion Islam ❤️
@@alhamdulillhforislam458 maybe he was. I get the same feedback from Christians who tell me that I was never a Christian..its not correct because you dont know so don't judge.
*We read in many Books of Sunni sect that once Caliph Umar RA planned to write a Book of Sunnah but before that, he did one month Istakhaara (meditation upon God) in order to seek help from Allah Azza wa Jal that he should write Book of Sunnah or not! Then one day: Caliph Umar RA came out and addressed Muslims: By Allah: In Islam, I will not permit any other book beside Book of Allah. Nations before you were gone astray because they abandoned Book of Allah and Stuck to other books*
Jan you're handling extremely well this issue,.
Really?
@@jantheslovakmuslim yes, it's a extremely "controversial" issue but I enjoyed it.
@@muzympls ha ha
*We read in all Famous Books of Sunni sect that Caliph Umar RA banned and Burned all extra-Quranic Hadiths but still Three Companions of Prophet (Sahaba) were spreading Hadiths. Caliph Umar RA called those three, and said: what are those Hadiths of Rasool-Allah which you are spreading among People! Then Caliph Umar RA placed those Three Companions under HOUSE ARREST FOR LIFE due to their Hadith Mongering. Dhahabi is King of Hadith Literature, and he has graded that report as SAHIH.*
Subhan Allah beautiful ☝🏻🌹
A book you might be interested in:
God is Watching You: How the Fear of God Makes Us Human by Dominic Johnson.
Although it’s written from a Darwinist view, it outlines the superiority of Divine Authority and Punishment. Joseph de Maistre is also very good on these subjects.
Thanks
We read in Tazkara of Dhahabi and in other books that after death of Prophet: Caliph Abu Bakr RA addressed Muslims, and said: O People: Those people who worship Mohammad, must know that Mohammad is dead now, and those people who worship Allah, must know that Allah is living and HE will never die, then Abu Bakr recited Quranic verse 3:144. Later Abu Bakr told Muslims "La Tuhadithu". Do not narrate Hadiths from Rasool but decide all matters according to Quran. What its makes Halal is Halal and what its makes Haram is Haram.
We also read from oldest history book of Islamic history of Ibn Is'haq and in many other books too that on the day of death, just before his death: Rasool addressed People and said:
*_"O men! Fire is kindled and like the parts of a dark night the mischief got nearer. I swear by God that there is nothing of which you can accuse me; I have not declared lawful anything other than those mentioned in the Quran, nor have I declared unlawful anything than those mentioned in the Quran"._*
Darimi was Teacher of Bukhari. He writes in his book Masnad Darimi that Prophet said: Do not write from me any thing except Quran, and any one who have already written down from me any thing except Quran MUST erase it.
We also read in Darimi, Tirmidhi and in many other books that some Sahaba (companions) approached to Prophet and asked Permission to write his hadiths but Prophet turned down their request.
We read in Musannaf Ibn Shaybah and in many other books that Caliph Ali RA told Muslims to erase all hadiths.
We read in one book of Ibn Kathir: That Caliph Umar RA met a group of Hadith-Spreaders, and he told them: Your talks are lies and your hearsay Hadiths are lies which you narrate like I heard from this and that etc. I Say to you: stop this and stand only with Book of Allah.
We read that one day Prophet came to deliver Sermon and he said: I have heard that some people are writing my hadiths but I am just a mortal man like you all (same in Quran 18:110). So People burned their already written hadiths.
Caliph Umar RA once sent one Team of Muslim-Preachers to Iraq lead by Qarza bin Kab. During journey, Caliph Umar RA accompanied that group to a town ISRAR, and he addressed team: Do you know why have I come with you so far? They answered: In order to encourage and honor us: Caliph Umar RA said: You are also right but I came to remind you that when you reach there; do not entangle people in hadiths. Qarza said: after that date: he never narrated any hadith. This reports us graded as Authentic.
*We read in famous book Tabaqaat al-Kubra of Ibn S'ad: that One person narrated that he stayed with Great Sahabi Ibn Masoud (used to live in house of Prophet as servant) for several years, and I never saw him narrating any Hadith except one day when he said: And Rasool-Allah said, and then he immediately paused and bent forward taking support of his staff which was now vibrating, and he said InshaAllah, and sweat-drops were flowing down from his forehead. Because Ibn Masoud was aware that Prophet forbade to narrate his hadiths*
We do not talk in vain. You can read all original scanned book References in our page TRUE HISTORY OF HADITHS AND SUNNAH
What's your point? State it clearly
*In order to know about the Distinction between Pristine Islam (existed before year 722 CE), and Counterfeited Religion of Sunni and Shia sects; please read our Page fully with an unbiased mind*
This statement is short on rational more on prejudice.
47:18 How do you know that Quran is preserved if other scriptures arnt?
But an individual internally apostatizing can still 'liquefy Islam as they would if done openly, as Daniel put it because then you just have people teaching their friends/family/community members the negative about Islam underground. For example, i apostatize, i stop praying, fasting, giving zakat and then i start telling my young kids that all this religion is nonsense, Muhammad(pbuh) was x,y,z and now ive instilled this negative thought into my kids who will teach their kids, who will teach their kids, who will teach their kids, until you have such a huge amount of people 'fake' believing in Islam.
However, Daniel makes an excellent point in using Afghanistan and modern liberalism! Even, i used to think this but never linked it to apostatizing. For example, i used to think if most people in Afghanistan want to have Shariah and be ruled by Taliban then who cares what the few think about having a liberal state, they lost the elections and that is how democracy works, but still USA/West bomb the heck and starve Afghanistan. MADNESS! This is technically Afghan people 'apostatizing' from the norm(liberalism) and then being punished for it which DOES lead to death(mass murder in fact)
On the contrary, i wonder how Daniel would coincide the verses from the Quran which state, religion is not a compulsion and that the Muhammad(pbuh) is nothing more than a warner and its not his job to change anyone's faith. I do feel this hard apostacy law to be quite unfair too, 3 days to think, if not then killed? This doesn't show that the religion is not compulsory but the opposite.
Also, from what i remember, if any executions did take place was because people were 'reverting' to Islam to get into gatherings, collect secret information and hand it back out to the pagans who at that time were the enemies in a sense they were in battle. So, this would put the whole ummah which was a small number under threat and open to ambushes/attacks and therefore this apostacy law was strict in order to protect Islam/Ummah from harm. And that is how we should see the apostasy law today, if one leaves Islam and continues normally then cool but if they start to put Islam/muslim's lives at risk then apostacy should be applied.
Regardless, a very insightful discussion. Loved it.
Yes there's more to unpack here and Daniel's focus is more on liberalism and modernity not the specifics of the apostasy law.
I kinda disagree with Daniel that there isn't a distinction between major or minor apostasy.
Jabir reported: A bedouin came to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and gave the pledge of allegiance for embracing Islam. The next day he came with a fever and said, “Please cancel my pledge.” The Prophet refused three times and he said:
الْمَدِينَةُ كَالْكِيرِ تَنْفِي خَبَثَهَا، وَيَنْصَعُ طَيِّبُهَا
Medina is like a furnace. It expels its impurities and collects what is pure.
Source: Sahih Bukhari 1784, Grade: Sahih
In this example, a man rejected Islam after embracing it but the Prophet did not apply legal punishment to him.
Regarding the major apostasy, the Prophet was clear in advising us that legal punishment is not applied to a minor apostate, but only a major apostate.
Also how does one reconcil with this narration.
Ibn Abbas reported:
كَانَ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ سَعْدِ بْنِ أَبِي سَرْحٍ يَكْتُبُ لِرَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَأَزَلَّهُ الشَّيْطَانُ فَلَحِقَ بِالْكُفَّارِ فَأَمَرَ بِهِ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ أَنْ يُقْتَلَ يَوْمَ الْفَتْحِ فَاسْتَجَارَ لَهُ عُثْمَانُ بْنُ عَفَّانَ فَأَجَارَهُ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ
Abdullah ibn Sa’d ibn Abi Sarh would write to the Messenger of Allah but the devil deceived him and he joined the unbelievers. The Messenger of Allah ordered that he should be killed on the day of liberation, but Uthman ibn Affan sought protection for him, so the Messenger of Allah granted him protection.
Source: Sunan Abu Dawud 4358, Grade: Sahih
In this example, a man embraced Islam and then rejected it by joining the idolaters of Mecca who at the time were waging war against the Muslims. When Mecca surrendered to the Prophet without a fight, Uthman ibn Affan sought protection for this apostate and the Prophet honored this covenant. This is because, as a general rule, the protection granted by a single Muslim should be honored by all Muslims.
I know it's a good opinion as well
"Jabir reported: A bedouin came to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and gave the pledge of allegiance for embracing Islam. The next day he came with a fever and said, “Please cancel my pledge.” The Prophet refused three times and he said:
الْمَدِينَةُ كَالْكِيرِ تَنْفِي خَبَثَهَا، وَيَنْصَعُ طَيِّبُهَا
Medina is like a furnace. It expels its impurities and collects what is pure.
Source: Sahih Bukhari 1784, Grade: Sahih"
This is about that companion having severe fever. This pledge of leaving medina
@@arifulkarim1935 "This pledge of leaving medina" actually it says "the pledge of allegiance for embracing Islam".
May Allah bless you brother.
thx
2:28 Let's say hypothetically that the Slovak government had capital punishment for anyone who converted to Islam which was the death penalty not those who were born Muslim only those who accepted Islam and became Muslim and if the authorities found out that you had converted to Islam then you would be given three days to leave Islam if you didn't then you are liable to the death penalty for converting to Islam your kids and your family will be separated from you now tell me how would you feel at that very moment I know what you are going to say thats how it exaclty feels like under Islamic sharia when you leave Islam and become murtad.
I love Daniel but disagree with him on this one. I think he even contradicts himself.
Still a great fan 💛
Well of course Daniel is not an authority on apostasy but I think his perspective is interesting, however I also don't agree with him on every point :)
@@jantheslovakmuslim Yes, I agree you will very rarely have found such a punishment implemented. The Ottomans were the largest (Islamic) dynasty in history and you will seldom find they implemented this punishment.
What I doike about Daniel is is understanding of modernity, western civilisation and liberalism. He is very articulate and a gem when it comes to debates.
@@abdullahk8691 Who told you the ottomons are right and 100% followed shariah, Stop following your whims and desires,
@@aymanus04learn to read or learn to articulate yourself better I suggest.
@@abdullahk8691 Whats your problem?
44:15 Yes, it is true that Christian traditions aren't preserved but I don't think Islamic traditions are preserved either its ironic when Muslims say so confidently our tradition is preserved and our religiion is perfect and suprior then any religion but if you do some real research the truth comes to you.
good discussion.
Just to remind everyone, in many masonic and judaic communities, capital punishment for apostasy is still a thing. Not mentioning other communities around the world.
maybe on paper right?
Only in OT but NT don't support that
If brother Daniel shared the link of this video in his telegram channel there would have been more views. He probably forgot to do that.
Read Article 18 from the Declaration of Universal Human Rights. It says that everybody is free to choose a belief-system or religion and practice and profess it. It adds that people are free to change to another religion and be free to practice and profess that.
Why does it explicitly add that one is allowed to change and practice and profess the new religion? Well because some religions try to take believers who want to leave in an emotional stranglehold by adding conditions for after the separation.
Judge for yourself what message Islam sends about apostates: Are they citizens who just exercise their right and are equally respected? No: In Islam the leadership declares apostates guilty of something that is so heinous that it deserves capital punishment.
The vigilante attacks on apostates are directly linked to the leadership declaring apostates deserving of capital punishment.
At about 20:40 Daniel H. with a confident air states that All communities punish defectors.
is this true? If you think about it: no you can leave the Abba-fanclub, the fan-club of your local sports-team without being punished as a defector. You can also leave most major churches without repercussions. Catholicism, many bigger protestant churches. The groups that shun apostates are usually smaller protestant groups. But the rest do not.
Islam is like a bad husband that when the relationship does not work and you file for divorce goes to the judge and says that you signed a contract that considers leaving treason, and that therefore considers the leaver worthy of capital punishment. The judge asks: "and who decides on whether the leaver committed treason"? To which the husband replies: "Me".
Do you know how this law is applied in Islam? We're talking about Islamic government by the way.
@@jantheslovakmuslim There is not one caliphate with one government. There are just a bunch of states that ave Shariah at the core of their legal system. And all of those countries have significant deviations from pure Sharia. The simplest example is Slavery which was held on to by Mauritania the longest, but is now abandoned even there.
So capital punishments for apostates is only law in a limited number of countries and not implemented the same.
Vigilante murders of apostates are much more common, Bangladesh sees many cases. The UK has seen a number of attacks. (check the legalizeapostasy site ) Don't forget that in Iraq svereal clerics where captured on camera still marrying minor girls because "God's Law is more important than man's law". So the concept that the religion supersedes what the countries laws may say, is not uncommon in Islam.
Fact remains that if multiple religions want to live together peacefully in one state it is easiest to accept all religions as equally important and give citizens the right to switch religion and profess/practice. There is a "streetinterviews palestine sharia" clip where you see some palestinians agree that sharia should be the bases, but also several who ay that peaceful coexistence with the jews and christians and others means citizens should have equal rights under the law or there will never be peace.
I think Islam is just plain wrong on Apostasy. It makes Islam the agressor who cannot let go respectfully.
Daniel omits to explicitly state that his assumption of one Caliphate sounds nice, but the theology is not clear and the Ummah is divided. A caliphate can simply declare "deviancy" apostasy. Shias and "deviant" Sunnis were both executed by Isis on those grounds. Ibn Baaaz (former influential Saudi cleric) had a fatwa that declared anyone promoting the deviant idea that the earth rotated around the sun was to be declared apostate and executed. The assumption that there is one law of God is poppycock. There are widely varying interpretations and orthodox Muslims have had no qualms about executing those that switched to different Muslim belief systems as apostates.
what about whe someone "apostasizes" the religion of eurocentric "declaration of human rights"
@@kingsentertainment786 it is not a religion. So I am not sure you can have apostisy from Universal Human Rights.
i do think it is best to give all citizens equal rights under the law. But I do not see a divinity or divine purpose behind it. So I do not think one can be an apostate from it.
How do you imagine apostasy from the idea that equal rights under the law for all citizens removes many problems/causes of conflict?
@@ohana_is_family I think you are weak in your definitions. Religion is a set of values and beliefs. To explain quick, whats the difference between killing a man and dismantling a doll? They are just different arrangements of carbon atoms. You might say well it pains, but we can reduce it down to simple chemical processes. So from a secular physical atheistic view, every value we ascribe to a human or anything is purely a metaphysical imagination of human being (acc to naturalists or atheists)
So any ideology that deals with, thus, be it Islam, Christianity, Communism, Capitalism, Humanism and all isms-schisms are just subjective human perpectives that have no objective reasoning.
In 21st century, it is the hegemony of eurocentricism, thus any third world ideology succumbs to it. In past, it was Islam so any non Muslim would scuccumb and use Islam as its yard stick.
11:10 I think brother Daniel should think about the question again. You can't say ' those Muslims assume previous scholars were wrong". Not all Muslims believe previous scholars were wrong. How can you know what people are thinking? Many Muslims are like myself, are students. Some are complete beginners. They are just asking questions about those hadiths that mentioned people were not punished for leaving Islam. It is not about Cherry picking hadiths. They are there. So many wants to why? Are you saying those Hadiths pardoning people who are leaving Islam wrong? Does not this show that punishing people who left Islam are situational? They were punished in some cases and in other cases they were excused? Maybe it is not straightforward. May ALLAH bless us with pure knowledge of Islam. Ameen!!!
Don't worry there are multiple interpretations of these laws and Daniel's view is his view on the view of the scholars.
I understand brother. Salam, may ALLAH guide us all! I shared a video of another person explaining this subject. In sha ALLAH, you don't mind. Many people are confused. Of course, it is created by evil non Muslims(not all non Muslims are evil), but ma sha ALLAH and alhamdulillah. So far we have answers for their evil claims and it will make Muslims stronger if we can answer those questions. Let's face it, not everyone's iman level is the same. We should help those people who are seeking answers, not level them as "weak Muslims" and say terrible things about them. We should pick them up.
MashAllah great podcast
The simpish uncomfortable and sensitive comments under this video makes me want to throw up
Ok cool. Your comments are also a bit harsh. Why are you so aggressive? Of course, it's not comfortable - we're talking about death here. So think before you write, please.
@@jantheslovakmuslim Brother, be based, of course this is not a topic to be taking lighly, but I hate how many people are shy, and want to justify anyway possible, suddenly they have become scholars,
As if that wasnt enough they are asking for modernists to be on your channel.
In my opinion sometimes harshness is not that bad. When there is to much softness we need smt to balance it.
I may not be the best one for that, but I will still do it...
We need more based comments...
How is killing someone justifiable when they’re guilty of treason but not when they treason against God people are so outraged by the punishment. Let’s not be hypocrites!
And again brother Jan., You should put more emphasis on the other 99% simple to comprehend issues in Islam rather than the 1% controversial. This is a trap of the anti-islamic speakers. They conveniently ignore all Islamic goodies and rather keep shouting on few controversial issues.
That's exactly the reason we should talk about it right? :) If we don't then you let other people own your narrative. It doesn't make sense to be quiet about this.
Why is it controversial again, stop being a simp and be based!!!
Everything from Allah ﷻ and Islam is good, deosnt matter what the non muslims think
Whaaat, this guy view hadiths as divine revelation? 😯
Takže podľa Daniela by mali mať ľudia v nemoslimských krajinách právo konvertovať zo svojho pôvodného náboženstva na islam, ale zároveň by ľudia v moslimských krajinách nemali mať právo konvertovať z islamu na iné náboženstvá. Som zvedavý ako by sa tomuto mudrlantovi páčilo keby v napríklad v Brazílii zriadili trest smrti pre ľudí ktorý opustia v katolícke kresťanstvo, v takomto prípade by on vyplakával nad tým, že Brazílska vláda je extrémne netolerantná k ľuďom ktorí by chceli konvertovať na islam. Náboženský fundamentalizmus je asi tá najhoršia duševná porucha aká existuje.
No trochu miesate lebo Brazilska vlada je sekularna a nema v ustave zakotvene ze sa bude riadit Bibliou. Islam je v tomto iny ze tam nie je oddelenie cirkvi od statu a moslimske krajiny maju Islamske ustavy. A inak to co Daniel hovori nie je oficialne stanovisko moslimov ale jeho nazor. Krestanstvo nie je politicky system ale Islam je. V nasom kontexte to nedava zmysel riesit lebo na Slovensku ani nikde na svete takato vlada neexistuje - dokonca ani v moslimskych krajinach. Takze nepozerajte na to ako debatu o individualnej potrebe nabozenstva ale skor ako systeme vlady. Ak je spolocnost a pravo zalozene na Islame tak je to trochu ine ako ked je vsetko sekularne ako u nas v Europe. Na Slovensku je nabozenstvo vnimane len ako nejaka doplnkova vec v zivote skor kultura ako realna pravda. Pre moslimov je nabozenstvo Islam vsetko. A vsetko sa toci okolo tohto konceptu. Takze radsej sa treba pozriet na to preco si to moslimovia myslia a ake maju tvrdenia na podlozenie ich viery.
@@jantheslovakmuslim chápem, že to nie je oficiálne stanovisko moslimov, preto sa nesťažujem na islam, ale na náboženský fundamentalizmus a to nie len moslimský, ale akýkoľvek druh náboženského fundamentalizmu. Nemám nič proti tomu keď človek konvertuje na islam, ale vadí mi, keď takýto ľudia ako Daniel sa rozčuľujú nad tým, že v dnešnej dobe nie je v poriadku ľuďom násilne vnucovať náboženstvo.
Hi Jan, I'm an ex-muslim, would it be possible to have a conversation with you?
Man: I have answered comments of an other person under this video but my comments stopped to appear under this video. Have you deleted my comments?
no
Mr Jan Sahib I love you but my English is very poor
Brother in this video, you look like Ronaldo 😀😀😀
Haha that's impossible 😂
@@jantheslovakmuslim No, I’m super serious bro and I’m telling you what I see or feel 😁😁😁
From this answer he doesn't understand anything he think he's answering y he was talking about external things but nothing about Islam because the law for the
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What?
I don't agree with brother Daniel. There is no support from Quran or hadiths for death penalty. Scholars were not wrong but in their time religion was like nationality today. The hadith that say " who ever change his religion kill him" that will mean also who ever convert to Islam should be killed. That makes sense only in time of war. You don't want to have people of your enemy claiming to be Muslim. Brother Daniel dismissed " there is no compulsion in religion " it's not about non Muslims. The verse was a response to a sahabi his son converted to Judaism.
He went to the prophet asking what to do.
Thank for the opinion
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There is a major difference between someone who has a difference of opinion based on his knowledge, and someone who has a difference of opinion based on his whims and desires. You seem to be the former, therefore I respect your difference of opinion even If I may disagree with it, unlike another particular individual in this comment section. If I may ask, can you bring me evidence for your claim about a companion's son converting to Judaism?
Dr Yasir Qadhi seems a lot more open minded
he is a modernist so yes
@@jantheslovakmuslim Hes not a full modernist
Hes in between orthodox and modernity
open minded = rejecting sharia which are based upon the Quran and sunnah agreed by all four madhabs?
@@jantheslovakmuslim I wouldn’t say modernist at all, I would use the term moderate in between traditionalism and modernist Islam
@@abdullahahmad9300 he is a deviant, no one to learn from
The man not the other way
What?
I don’t agree with Daniel in this topic of apostasy.
His view is the Majority traditional View
You dont have to agree, stay with baatil
That's ok we don't have to all agree.
@@jantheslovakmuslim But it's important to agree on religious matter if anyone disagree on Matter of Religion like Disagreeing with Prophets, Shahaba,Majority of Scholars then that person disbelieve on a matter of religion
@@Hello-vz1md 💯🔥💯 , but the brother means another thing,
"WE DONT HAVE TO MEET ALL IN JANNAH"
…and that is one of the reasons I don’t like fundamentalist Islam, or Christianity. It’s not supportive of critical thinking, it conflicts with modern scientific understandings of the world (which weren’t touched upon here), and like many other religions, it’s a fear-based belief system.
I think it’s all well and necessary to criticize Western interventionism, but if hindsight is worth anything, I can see so many problems with a system where people who leave that system are to be executed. There is not a single system in history where this idea has been consistently upheld. At the very least, if you don’t care about human lives in a general sense, one has to question the effectiveness of this approach.
34:06 As cynical as he is, I don’t think his characterization here is true. America seems to have left Afghanistan by its own choice. If America wanted to stay in Afghanistan, it seems like it easily could have done so.
The problem that I have with Haqiqatjou’s framing is that it seems as though the real reasons the countries have been occupied really has little if nothing to do with any sort of humanitarian issue. It seems like it’s a matter of realpolitik, it’s a matter of extracting resources or making financial gain. The human rights argument is just a guise used to justify occupation, it’s an effective PR move, but it doesn’t make sense that wealthy countries would occupy and kill foreigners because they want to spread same-sex marriage or have women go to school, LOL. How do you think these countries became wealthy?
51:40 What is he talking about, has he read or been familiar with Alfred Kinsey’s work at all? His whole work about sexual fluidity is well-regarded in the LGBT+ community. The idea of “born this way” is not completely settled in science, neither is the idea that people are not.
Also Jan, correct me if I’m wrong but this conversation seems to have gone beyond the scope of what you had prepared for!
It's not fear based at all but there's too much to cover in this response. Belief can't be based on fear.
@@jantheslovakmuslim Hell? Hell is one of the secrets of success to the three Abrahamic religions, it strikes fear in the believer and is used as a cognitive tool to get people afraid of leaving or questioning the religion. You can go on UA-cam and find many ex-Muslims and ex-Christians who said it took years and they are still going through their anxieties of eternal damnation, images of their skin being burned off only to grow back forever as they burn with their families. That sounds pretty fear-based to me, and it’s even harder if you’re born into those religions and have the religion hammered into you and your society every day because you are very much aware that the threat of leaving the religion is more than just Hell, but potentially execution, even though you had no meaningful choice to believe because you grew up being told that the religion was true.
@@potts995 but if Helll is real then it's irrelevant that there's also fear. If you don't believe in Hell then what's your problem? 😀 Faith is based on logic, arguments and spiritual experiences. The revelation however keeps telling us about judgement and then hell or heaven. It's part of the religion. It's not the reason why I believe in Islam or God.
@@jantheslovakmuslim IF it’s real, it’s understandable, but if it’s not, then a religion is basically just inflicting trauma on people based off of falsehoods, and that’s one helluva wager!
@@potts995 God use fear like mothers use it to guide her kids. Emotions ( fear, love..)is what makes people move not logic.
*People who have read and understood whole Quran without superimposing on Quran any man-made book, know well that Punishment for an Apostate among Muslims has Political Base. It does not have any base in Islamic Law which is valid ONLY and ONLY from Quran only 6:114. In Islam, Authority for Islamic law is only BOOK of Allah, not School of Thoughts, not Imams, not even Prophet Mohammad who was warned by God in Quran 66:1 not to make his own laws but follow the Divine Law which are given in Quran 6:114, 10:15, 6:19, 16:116, 10:59-60.*
*Politically, Muslim Rulers thought that apostasy is concomitant to Treason, so they made its punishment as Capital Punishment. Just like For woman; Niqab, Burqa, or even head cover is not Islamic Law=Quranic law but is mere optional Culture. In the same way: Beard is not an Islamic Law but a Optional Culture. Five Namaz Rituals are not Islamic but made by Sunni and Shia Clergy. Quranic Salat is absolutely not Five Rituals. Rituals of Funeral. Rituals of two Eids, and non-Quranic Rituals at the time of Hajj are not part of Islam.*
We have quranist here trying to reinvent Islam to fit liberal agenda and ideology. No 5 prayer no headscarf for women = no Islam.
In more than one place, the Qur'an enjoins obedience to the Prophet and makes it a duty of the believers to submit to his judgment and his authority without question. The following ayat are all explicit on this theme, all of which are quoted by al-Shafi'i in his renowned work, Al-Risalah (P. 47ff):
And whatever the Messenger gives you, take it, and whatever he forbids you, abstain from it (al-Hashr, 59:7).
Obey God and obey the Messenger and those who are in charge of affairs among you. Should you happen to dispute over something, then refer it to God and to the Messenger (al-Nisa', 4:58-59).
To refer the judgment of a dispute to God means recourse to the Qur'an, and referring it to the Messenger means recourse to the Sunnah.[22. Shatibi, Muwafaqat, IV, 7.] In another passage, the Qur'an emphasizes: 'Whoever obeys the Messenger verily obeys God' (al-Nisa 4:80).
And finally, the Qur'an is categorical to the effect that the definitive rulings of the Qur'an and Sunnah are binding on the believers in that they are no longer at liberty to differ with the dictates of the divine will or to follow a course of their own choice: 'Whenever God and His Messenger have decided a matter' it is not for a faithful man or woman to follow another course of his or her own choice' (al-Ahzab, 33:36).
In yet another place the Qur'an stresses that submission to the authority of the Prophet is not a matter of mere formalistic legality but is an integral part of the Muslim faith: 'By thy Lord, they will not believe till they make thee a judge regarding disagreements between them and find in themselves no resistance against accepting your verdict in full submission' (al-Nisa', 4:65).
It is concluded from these and other similar passages in the Qur'an that the Sunnah is a proof next to the Qur'an in all shar'i matters and that conformity to the terms of Prophetic legislation is a Qur'anic obligation on all Muslims. 'The Companions have reached a consensus on this point: Both during the lifetime of the Prophet and following his demise' they eagerly obeyed the Prophet's instructions and followed his examples regardless as to whether his commands or prohibitions originated in the Qur'an or otherwise. The first two Caliphs Abu Bakr and Umar; resorted to the Sunnah of the Prophet whenever they knew of it.
Sunnah al-Nabi (or Sunnah al-Rasul), that is, the Prophetic Sunnah, does not occur in the Qur'an as such. But the phrase uswah hasanah (excellent conduct) which occurs in sura-al-Ahzab (33:21) in reference to the exemplary conduct of the Prophet is the nearest Qur'anic equivalent of Sunnah al-Nabi.[4. The ayah in question addresses the believers in the following terms: 'Certainly you have, in the Messenger of God, an excellent example' (al-Ahzab, 33:21).]
The uswah, or example of the Prophet, was later interpreted to be a reference to his Sunnah. The Qur’an also uses the word 'hikmah' (lit-wisdom) as a source of guidance that accompanies the Qur'an itself. Al-Shafi'i quotes at least seven instances in the Qur'an where 'hikmah' occurs next to al-kitab (the Book).
In one of these passages, which occurs in sura Al-Jum'ah (62:2), for example, we read that God Almighty sent a Messenger to educate and to purify the people by 'teaching them the Book and the hikmah'. According to al-Shafi'i's interpretation' which also represents the view of the majority, the word 'hikmah' in this context means the Sunnah of the Prophet.[5. Shafi'i, Risalah, pp. 44-45; Siba'i, Al-Sunnah, p.50.] Both the terms 'Sunnah' and Sunnah Rasul Allah' have been used by the Prophet himself and his companions.
Thus when the Prophet sent Mu'adh b. Jabal as judge to the Yemen, he was asked as to the sources on which he would rely in making decisions. In reply Mu'adh referred first to the 'Book of Allah' and then to the 'Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah'.[6. Abu Dawud, Sunan (Hasan's trans.), III, 1019, Hadith no. 3585.]
In another Hadith, the Prophet is reported to have said, 'I left two things among you. You shall not go astray so long as you hold on to them: the Book of Allah and my Sunnah (sunnati).[7. Shatibi, Muwafaqat, III, 197;
@@abdar-rahman6965 You are too deluded, may Allah guide you to the right path is all I'm going to say to you.
this was a good discussion... many more to come in the future
Thanks