The one+HP does get 30% more power in terms of longevity but if that's all we're noticing then buy the 2 pack for 20 dollars less and have a 70% cut increase for 20% less money out. I appreciate all Ryobi is doing though. Great tools and battery compatibility.
I have 8 year old battery's that still work and charge fine. Ran fans and lights during the last hurricane here in florida. Ran all night. Thanks ryobi !
You got 89 cuts from the regular battery, and you got 125 cuts from the lithium+ HP battery. But that difference in capacity has nothing to do with the HP battery or even the brushless tools. The performance difference between those two batteries is not between HP and non-HP, it's in that little "+" symbol. The black batteries that do not say lithium+ use crappy Sony lithium cells. The lithium+ batteries use much higher quality Samsung lithium cells which hold their voltage much better under load. Not many people know about that, and I hardly hear anybody talking about that. It's Ryobi's Dirty Little Secret, and why they can sell the black batteries for so much less money.
Very nice review! A basic multimeter on my Ryobi batteries didn't tell me much so I like seeing real results like here. I'm an early adopter of the 18v system and one piece of advice for anyone with older chargers is don't rely on them when trying to charge a battery. I've been able to charge batteries with a newer charger when one of my older chargers couldn't (it would flash the lights showing defective/fault). Charger itself has technology that matters.
The 4.0 ah High Performance batteries are on sale at Home Depot right now in a 2 pack for $99.95 The standard 4.0 2 pack is $79.95 For $20 difference they are well worth it. 👍
If I was a contractor using my tools all day everyday I might spring for the HP battery as not having to change batteries so often might be a time saver. Also he did the bog down test with two fully charged batteries so they were the same. Try it again after both batteries have made 70 cuts. The regular battery would be close to discharged and bog down while the HP battery could power through. As a homeowner that only uses my tools occasionally I’d definitely would get the regular batteries.
Hahaha , you were very funny watching in the beginning of the video , another good video , I agree , don't think I would pay that extra for the slight difference.
Great stuff! And compared to the regular circular saw, A brushless circular saw and hp battery combo is king! One thing. I don’t think pinching the saw blade is considered bog down. I think the bog down they refer to is when cutting through a hard wood. The hp battery will provide more power to the saw to cut through the higher density.
Kite Army I’m pretty sure that’s what they were referring to. I own the 40 V lawnmower and I noticed that when I run over a thicker patch of grass, the motor suddenly increases its power to cut through it. Then, once I have cleared the patch it slows down to a normal pace.
I wondered about that "bog down" term also. I thought it referred to going through some really tough wood and the HP battery would release extra power to make it through the cut. I could get any saw, including my corded circular saw, to "pinch the saw blade" and shut down if I went as fast as in this video. I have the Ryobi Brushless Circular Saw + HP battery and it is more powerful than my Ryobi brushed circular saw when cutting wood at a "normal" speed.
I was thinking the same thing. Also, buying two of the standard lithium batteries, you still have one if one goes bad. And you can charge one as you use the other battery.
thank you friend for showing us the difference of each battery. actually thought the HP would be the better long lasting pick. But thanks for your time in showing us which batery would be better in the long run. will be waiting for more videos in the future!
I currently own a 6hour battery, a 4hour a regular hp and two standard. I can power through any job. I recently mowed a full acre with my Ryobi weed wacker on 2 1/2 batteries!!!!!
Interesting demonstration! I never did quite understand the claim that the battery 'senses' a bog-down and sends a 'burst' of power to compensate. Unless the circuit board is artificially limiting the output of power, the battery's output is already limited by the discharge rate of the actual cells. I also find it interesting that both batteries are advertised as '4Ah', which is a very clear claim of power over time (4 amps per hour in this case). If the draw from the saw was identical/similar, then based on the claim, they should both run out of juice at about the same time. I'd love to see AVE do a tear-down of these batteries to compare them!
Great Video, perfect timing as I need to replace batteries and was wondering what to buy. You convinced me for the standard vs HP. Not even considering aftermarket.!!
@@Kitearmy maybe so, but imaging the output they would have. Back then they were 2.5 ah per single cell. Im sure by now they could get them up to 5 or 6.
That was a GREAT video! I've been buying Ryobi for years. Pointing out those two new contacts on the HP battery, I very much doubt that my old tools ( still going strong ) have those contacts.
My only problem with Ryobi is the battery form factor. I have had issues with even minor drops with that extended "tower of pisa " when it hits the ground. But I love the amount of supported devices
Great presentation! The real cost tradeoff for the "HP" is still a mystery though, let me 'splain. If both batteries are truly 4Ah then what is the HP doing to get more yield? I suspect the individual cells inside the HP pack are better managed such that their useful capacity, or yield is closer to the 4Ah rating. (They may also use a better cell design that allows greater operation range.) Now I need to know the "life rating" of the packs. For example, would I expect the HP pack to provide more cycles of operation? I have many Hitachi 12V tools where the batteries have lasted 10 years. Their battery cells are Panasonic (made in Japan) and the cell charging management for the packs is excellent.
The HP or High Energy batteries use larger cells that have a higher discharge capacity. So they are larger I have High Energy battery RB18L30 and it sinks screws in wood more than twice the depth at the fast speed
Wow. Very interesting. I have and run my own business. We have mostly Ryobi 18volt tools and couldn’t be happier with them. They get the job dome the same and afford me the ability to buy more variety of tools. And if they get stolen or damaged it’s not that bad to replace them. I find that the battery perform very similar amd not worth the extra cost. I juts bought a pair of the 4ah standard batteries today. Great video. I find that adding a Diablo blade make these as any saw perform much better out of the box.
I totally agree with you, I've done the same thing but with the trimmer and blower, it's good for lighting also, with the 2 black batteries the timing is shorter but if you don't mind changing the batteries you'll get about 50% more time for the buck, but I have to see in the long run will the black batteries will resist like the grey batteries, that is the question ❓
Perfect for my needs. I don’t need more power, but more longevity will help when I’m in the field working on fences. That extra 30% could be the difference for me
just carry the second battery with you and you will get even more time than with the hp, unless you are old and arthritic like me and dont have the power in your fingers to switch out batteries
I was a ryobi guy for decades cause the low cost. Recently the cost is pretty close to Dewalt so i upgraded to Dewalt and WOW. YOU NEED TO UPGRADE LIKE I DID.
Base on review videos, the 3Ah High Performance is actually able to out perform even the new 4Ah High Performance due to the cell design. Unfortunately, Ryobi is planning to discontinue the 3Ah High Performance battery.
Be aware that both the P192 HP battery and the P197 Lithium battery uses the exact same Sony US18650VTC4 Lithium cells. So, the only difference appears to be the extra circuitry needed for the 2 additional HP terminals. Not sure if the HP is worth the extra money.
The HP batteries have a circuit that exists in the batteries for tools with the extra contacts. It definitely matters. The HP tools move this circuit to the tool, negating the need of the HP battery, as the special sauce is already in the tool and doesn’t need extra contacts or that circuit in the tool. To do a more comprehensive test, you’d need to do tests with a non-HP tool with each battery and HP tool with each battery. You’d see the HP battery affects the non-HP tools with extra contacts, and you’d see the HP tool perform about the same regardless of battery, because the HP “stuff” is in the tool now.
Thank you so much for doing this review/tutorial. I have just purchased a Ryobi drill/screwdriver and it is completely USELESS!! 1.5 battery. The screwdriver bit moves round and round but nothing happens. So I used my manual screwdriver and the screw was not difficult to unscrew and screw in???? I bought this drill/screwdriver because I am a woman!!! and I don't have that much strength!! It appears that I have more strength than the drill/screwdriver. WTF????? I am sending it right back, as I suspect the batteries do not have the strength to do the job. PS: the screwdriver bit went round and round and when I touched the screw - I burnt my fingers, the screw was actually shredded, there was no X left in order to get it out or drive it further in???????
I believe the tool has sensor that stops operation when to much force is exerted on tool to prevent damage to internal mechanism , as can seen in bog down test, good review, shows benefit of new battery & brushless tools.
The fancy battery looked weaker. Maybe it’s better protected against overload. Better for battery but means you need a bigger one to get the tough jobs done. Kerching.
Love your methodology and agree with your conclusions. Was quite disappointed that the drill and impact didn't even have the 'HP' contacts but if the whole 'won't bog down' claim is bogus I'm not sure why.
Cool video dude! Can you do a video on a ONE+ 18V Cordless Hybrid WHISPER SERIES? I’m skeptical about purchasing one of these because of the duration. I live in a hurricane zone so I don’t own any of these items with batteries.
Hey Andrew!! Awesome news again about Ego!! I know I am telling you this here in Ryobi review vídeo 😂 but check out the new three videos that Ego posted about the ZeroTurn Mower. Insane awesome. Cheers my friend from Wisconsin and can’t wait to see your video about it!!
I do not know if you have but would be interesting to see the internals of those batteries and what cells they are using because if both are 4Ah then they should both store the same amount of energy and should last the same amount of time, which makes me think the HP one might have a higher mAh cells and then under-rating it on the box, the other option is the cells could be the same mAh but be a better quality cell that is able to put out more amps at one time and so be more resistant to voltage sag that would trigger battery protection. My guess is with the first option and they simply slapped the anti bog marketing crap as a way to try and sell them as new and better.
Just the comparison I wanted. Was debating if it was worth it to get the top tier but seems to make no difference plus there is the added weight and cost. Need two batteries to keep a fresh one on stand by or charging while using the other. Thanks for the tests.
I watched this video and it took me to the end to realize who you (sort of) remind me of. It kept eating at me. You are the for adults version of Chad Wild Clay ;-) He could be your nephew.
All I see is you shoving the saw into the wood even an electric saw will bog down if you treat it like that I get that Ryobi may not be top notch but I have to stand up for them on this and I get that you are showing difference in the two types of batteries.
. That's good content. 👍 I like the Demonstration. I have Ryobi tools and I've been looking to buy new batteries. I needed this information. Thanks, Kite Army 👍
Thank you for the review with useful results. Base on the price point of view the regular model is a much better deal. 05/04/2022 - Update: Home Depot Canada is selling 2 pack on both the P145 regular High Capacity for $99.00 and the PBP2004 High Performance on sale for $139.00 which makes the 40% difference justifiable (125 cuts vs 88 cuts =42% difference) which just break even and not really beneficial unless the owner's tool is able to take advantage of producing more torque or/and take less time to complete the same task.
RE: Bog Down Test: I wonder if it was the saw that was shutting down and not the battery in which case both batteries would test the same. This is a possibility because the 7" saw is the one tool that can literally be stopped if cutting too hard. No other tool has to deal with that. A trim saw or grinder might reveal what R is claiming. RE: Missing Drill Contacts: The drills not having the extra contacts makes sense since drills are usually not bogged down - especially the little ones. If R makes a large HD drill, it might have the contacts.
I have a lawn mower that uses these. The HP battery allows me to cut for a much longer period of time before changing out. Worth the extra money? It depends on the project. I'm out in the hot sun mowing, I'll spend a bit more for a longer lasting battery.
What is the shelf life of each battery? What is recycle limit to each battery? My son in law buys Ryobi charges uses charges and then does not use again for 6 months to year. By then the battery seems to be dead. That is his story. I know at times he does leave the battery in charger for exteeeeeended periods of time.
The worst thing you can do to a battery is to leave it in a discharged mode for an extended period of time. I recharge mine as soon as I am done with them.
Are the ones used for the mower, Trimmer and other lawn tools that same? I hate that you don't get enough time to mow your own lawn in one battery. Not even two; and I have an average yard to mow.
The HP battery does in fact give more power and in fact last longer. I have put both to the test myself. Just a minor note the terminals are the point of contract the extra two on the back are for certain tools but they all work the same you will still get the same results
I have tested the 3Ah HP battery vs 4Ah non-HP battery on a brushless circular saw. You need to test it in longitudinal cuts of 2x woods. The non-HP battery was stuck several times and cannot complete the cut while the 3Ah HP battery can. If you don't see a difference in performance, you are not testing it right.
Thanks for that test! Results where unexpecting to say the least.. Are there any point to by their new HP series tools if they dont really benefit from those extra connectors?
How about the instant power vs. longevity though? On the ONE+ miter saw usage, that's some heavy duty usage and I'm wondering if the HP will do better (it comes with an HP). I guess your "bog down" test should be what addresses this.
I have the same saw and it doesn't really ever bog down, but I only use hp batteries. Maybe I'm cutting softer wood? It rips through everything I throw at it.
Kinda funny cause we've used brushless motors for years on RC planes and never had a need for monitoring the battery contra motor for more power 😆 just two terminals from the battery to the ESC and straight to the BL motor and POW you got full power on full throttle 🤭😂
Should try HP's strength test on an impact wrench vs non-hp batteries. Maybe HP batteries provide with only 35% more runtime. How about max torque output in your impact wrench?
So I have both of these batteries and I tore them apart to get the tech specs because I wanted to know the diff as well. Ryobi p108 18v 4ah 72 watt (silver/black housing) 18650 Battery Type Samsung INR18650-20Q Capacity 2000mAh Rated Voltage 3.60V Nominal Discharge 2.00V Cutoff voltage 15000mA (15Amps) Maximum draw Ryobi p197 18v 4ah 72 watt (Black housing) 18650 Battery Type Sony US18650VTC4 Capacity 2100mAh Rated Voltage 3.60V Nominal Discharge 2.5V Cutoff voltage 30000mA (30Amps) Maximum draw There are 10 batteries in each pack in a 2p5s setup 5 in serial times 3.6v = 18 volt total 2 strings of 5 are in parallel 2000mah x 2 = 4ah or in the case of the VTC4 is is actually 4.2Ah So to me the cheaper black battery has better specs by a tiny bit than the more expensive p108 Home Depot sells the p108 for 99.00 and the p197 for 69.00 but when they run specials around different holidays you can get the 2-pack of the p197 4ah black battery for 79.00 for both as seen here www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE-4-0-Ah-Lithium-Ion-Battery-2-Pack-P145/306703572 (currently not in stock) but they bring back this deal all the time. Just keep checking. Especially around Memorial day, Labor Day and before Christmas. I don't see why I would want to buy the more expensive battery or why either one is not almost identical in performance.
@@Kitearmy Well that is the real issue. I didn't go into that detail. The black packs are actually more powerful batteries and there are 2 strings in parallel in each so in reality you can actually pull a total of 30 amps continuous from the p108 and 60 amps from the p197 but obviously for a much shorter time since they are rated at 4ah pulling 60amps would drain them in 5-10 minutes. I own a a battery tab welder and have built several ebike battery packs in the 2000watt or more range. The issue here is the BMS board on top. It is what seems to be limiting the draw current making the p108 seem better. BOTH battery packs were built extremely well but the wires from the battery packs to the terminals where it would connect to the tool are not that big. Pulling 60amps through them would melt them pretty fast so that's why they probably limit the current draw. But why build such a great battery and use a smaller gauge wire I ask. I would imagine it has to do with the way the coupling contacts are made between the battery and the tool. With out hard wiring the battery to the tool there may be to much heat build up due to the resistance of the connectors to have the battery operate safely for long periods of use without over heating and causing a total meltdown. The 40volt batteries went with a different battery to tool connector and can handle much more current but ryobi can't go back and retro fit their entire 18v+ tool line and compatibility so they are just using what they have to deal with. Either way BOTH of these battery packs could put out way more power than they do. I retired early last year after working on electronics for 35 years, now that I am bored I may do some further testing on these and see where the limiting issues are. :)
The one+HP does get 30% more power in terms of longevity but if that's all we're noticing then buy the 2 pack for 20 dollars less and have a 70% cut increase for 20% less money out. I appreciate all Ryobi is doing though. Great tools and battery compatibility.
I have 8 year old battery's that still work and charge fine. Ran fans and lights during the last hurricane here in florida. Ran all night. Thanks ryobi !
Thanks for sharing
125 vs 90 = aprrox 30% more cuts. Seems to (sort of) match the claim. But 2 standards 180 vs 125 = approx 50% more cuts for 20% less money.
Right - in the end is the reason that I suggested going with the 2 standard batteries for $79
@@Kitearmy Yeah...I just thought I'd show the math :)
@EnuffsEnuff318 thanks mate...my teacher always said "show your math" 😀
@@Kitearmy but tool with standard batery dont have the power. It was testet
Thanks for the TLDR
You got 89 cuts from the regular battery, and you got 125 cuts from the lithium+ HP battery. But that difference in capacity has nothing to do with the HP battery or even the brushless tools. The performance difference between those two batteries is not between HP and non-HP, it's in that little "+" symbol. The black batteries that do not say lithium+ use crappy Sony lithium cells. The lithium+ batteries use much higher quality Samsung lithium cells which hold their voltage much better under load. Not many people know about that, and I hardly hear anybody talking about that. It's Ryobi's Dirty Little Secret, and why they can sell the black batteries for so much less money.
My grea battery looks the same as the genuine. I bought it for a leaf blower and clips in solid runs well. I'm buying another couple
So is it always about the batteries across the board?
I like channels like yours where there is a demonstration and not just an opinion. Good video!
This is EXACTLY the test I've been looking for. You just helped me make my buying decision. Thanks for a great and informative video.
Glad I could help!
Also, you can be charging one standard while using the second. "Cut for Buck" goes to the standard batterys.
I second that
@@Kitearmy 3rd
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Very nice review! A basic multimeter on my Ryobi batteries didn't tell me much so I like seeing real results like here. I'm an early adopter of the 18v system and one piece of advice for anyone with older chargers is don't rely on them when trying to charge a battery. I've been able to charge batteries with a newer charger when one of my older chargers couldn't (it would flash the lights showing defective/fault). Charger itself has technology that matters.
Great comment - thanks for the warning
i just discovered that the other day!
Thank you for showing us these very practical tests! Keep up the good work.
Yes sir!
The 4.0 ah High Performance batteries are on sale at Home Depot right now in a 2 pack for $99.95 The standard 4.0 2 pack is $79.95 For $20 difference they are well worth it. 👍
Awesome! You're the only one that tested realizing the two extra pins. Thanks for saving me a ton of money. Great job!
Glad I could help!
Thank you for confirming what I already suspected.
You're welcome
If I was a contractor using my tools all day everyday I might spring for the HP battery as not having to change batteries so often might be a time saver. Also he did the bog down test with two fully charged batteries so they were the same. Try it again after both batteries have made 70 cuts. The regular battery would be close to discharged and bog down while the HP battery could power through.
As a homeowner that only uses my tools occasionally I’d definitely would get the regular batteries.
Hahaha , you were very funny watching in the beginning of the video , another good video , I agree , don't think I would pay that extra for the slight difference.
Thanks mate - nothing is better than an informative video with a little humor sprinkled in
Great stuff! And compared to the regular circular saw, A brushless circular saw and hp battery combo is king! One thing. I don’t think pinching the saw blade is considered bog down. I think the bog down they refer to is when cutting through a hard wood. The hp battery will provide more power to the saw to cut through the higher density.
Yeah - the bog down thing is weird. I just pushed the saw as much as possible. Not sure that is what they meant in the Ryobi video....
Kite Army I’m pretty sure that’s what they were referring to. I own the 40 V lawnmower and I noticed that when I run over a thicker patch of grass, the motor suddenly increases its power to cut through it. Then, once I have cleared the patch it slows down to a normal pace.
@@chinzito I wonder if that is based on a communication with the motor and battery
I wondered about that "bog down" term also. I thought it referred to going through some really tough wood and the HP battery would release extra power to make it through the cut. I could get any saw, including my corded circular saw, to "pinch the saw blade" and shut down if I went as fast as in this video. I have the Ryobi Brushless Circular Saw + HP battery and it is more powerful than my Ryobi brushed circular saw when cutting wood at a "normal" speed.
@@gtaus1 Yeah - you could not see the extra power in the bog down test but in the cut quantity it was clear
What a refreshing tool video. New subscriber!!!
Thanks mate - welcome to the club
Good job.
Watching the ryobi video with popcorn:)
So funny 🤣
Thanks mate
1 for $100, or 2 for $80. I'll take 2 for $80 all day.
If I wanted more power, I wouldn't be using Ryobi.
That is true...but for people who want to by Ryobi it was an interesting test
I was thinking the same thing. Also, buying two of the standard lithium batteries, you still have one if one goes bad. And you can charge one as you use the other battery.
@@franzenders344 Right
Dude just wait for a deal. I GOT 2 9AH HP ryobi batteries for $150.
@@randybobandy9828 Still not a good deal. The non HP can get 4 for about the same price.
thank you friend for showing us the difference of each battery. actually thought the HP would be the better long lasting pick. But thanks for your time in showing us which batery would be better in the long run. will be waiting for more videos in the future!
Glad to help
Proper test video rather than arbitrary things. I appreciate it, bud.
I appreciate that!
I alpreciate how you kept stsrting to put the batrery in backwards on al your tools! Made me feel better about myself since i do that too! 😂
I currently own a 6hour battery, a 4hour a regular hp and two standard. I can power through any job. I recently mowed a full acre with my Ryobi weed wacker on 2 1/2 batteries!!!!!
Those bigger batteries go a long way
Interesting demonstration! I never did quite understand the claim that the battery 'senses' a bog-down and sends a 'burst' of power to compensate. Unless the circuit board is artificially limiting the output of power, the battery's output is already limited by the discharge rate of the actual cells. I also find it interesting that both batteries are advertised as '4Ah', which is a very clear claim of power over time (4 amps per hour in this case). If the draw from the saw was identical/similar, then based on the claim, they should both run out of juice at about the same time. I'd love to see AVE do a tear-down of these batteries to compare them!
me too
Great Video, perfect timing as I need to replace batteries and was wondering what to buy. You convinced me for the standard vs HP. Not even considering aftermarket.!!
Glad I could help!
Your video was very well done, thank you!
Thanks mate
I love how they say "Improved, Lithium ion Technology"! Milwaukee used 26650 in their V28 system from 2004! Where are those at now?
Sure - you mean 20 year old lithium technology
@@Kitearmy maybe so, but imaging the output they would have. Back then they were 2.5 ah per single cell. Im sure by now they could get them up to 5 or 6.
@@pointedspider I think the next breakthrough is going to be supercapacitors
@@Kitearmy I agree. I've done a lot of research on supercaps. If they can overcome the obstacles they will eliminate the battery.
Aren't V28 system runing on those A123 lithium phosphate battery ?, those where high power monsters back in the days !
Brilliant test. Thanks for your hard work.
Thank you! Cheers!
That was a GREAT video!
I've been buying Ryobi for years.
Pointing out those two new contacts on the HP battery, I very much doubt that my old tools ( still going strong ) have those contacts.
Glad it helped!
Great video as always!! So if a tool doesn’t have the contact points there will be no advantage to the HP?
@@RonRova
Correct
Thanks for the test, I've been wondering about this exact battery, now I know and it's a no brainer, awesome job
Glad to help
Thanks for the info, that's why I buy the aftermarket batteries and they perform very good!
Thanks, this is exactly the information I needed!
Glad it was helpful!
Love your videos, they are real and objective and help us a lot to pickup the right power tools, thanks for a great labor !! ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️
Thanks mate - love to help
I Love it! Thank You!!!
I'm glad you like it
Solid video. Can't argue with this one.. good job
Thanks mate
Thanks for clearing up the terms HP & regular for 4ah batteries
You bet!
You do a nice job. 👍 Was impressed by the cordless blower test too.
Thank you!
My only problem with Ryobi is the battery form factor. I have had issues with even minor drops with that extended "tower of pisa " when it hits the ground. But I love the amount of supported devices
And it takes a lot more room in the tool box... or anywhere.
I caught myself eating popcorn while watching you eat popcorn watching the promo.
LOL - I was eating popcorn when I read your comment
Great presentation! The real cost tradeoff for the "HP" is still a mystery though, let me 'splain. If both batteries are truly 4Ah then what is the HP doing to get more yield? I suspect the individual cells inside the HP pack are better managed such that their useful capacity, or yield is closer to the 4Ah rating. (They may also use a better cell design that allows greater operation range.) Now I need to know the "life rating" of the packs. For example, would I expect the HP pack to provide more cycles of operation?
I have many Hitachi 12V tools where the batteries have lasted 10 years. Their battery cells are Panasonic (made in Japan) and the cell charging management for the packs is excellent.
The HP or High Energy batteries use larger cells that have a higher discharge capacity.
So they are larger
I have High Energy battery RB18L30 and it sinks screws in wood more than twice the depth at the fast speed
As usual, very informative and entertaining video. I am curious about how long it took to test the cuts on both of those batteries.
Thanks mate....about 15 seconds in high speed
thanks for your effort and patience to make the video .
Your welcome - Super nice for you to say
I power through the toughest jobs with my corded saw and angle grinder.
That's a good idea
I like marmite on my toast.
@@1967AJB Vegemite
What batteries do you use on your corded saw and grinder
@@ATO19657 5Ah
Wow. Very interesting. I have and run my own business. We have mostly Ryobi 18volt tools and couldn’t be happier with them. They get the job dome the same and afford me the ability to buy more variety of tools. And if they get stolen or damaged it’s not that bad to replace them. I find that the battery perform very similar amd not worth the extra cost. I juts bought a pair of the 4ah standard batteries today. Great video. I find that adding a Diablo blade make these as any saw perform much better out of the box.
Speaking of Diablo blades - check this out: ua-cam.com/video/9tOL4-CELFM/v-deo.html
Note that they package the brushless 18v mower with the regular battery. I was blown away that you can mow a lawn with 18v, but it works.
finally, a real review that tests the battery... how hard was that?
I guess it was hard
VCG construction did it years ago
@@rh3309 Couldn't find it
I solved the Ryobi tool/battery issues and.
I bought all new Milwaukee tools
good fix
I totally agree with you, I've done the same thing but with the trimmer and blower, it's good for lighting also, with the 2 black batteries the timing is shorter but if you don't mind changing the batteries you'll get about 50% more time for the buck, but I have to see in the long run will the black batteries will resist like the grey batteries, that is the question ❓
The drill and impact you show are part of their compact series I think. Maybe the regular hp tools do benefit from the batteries.
Perfect for my needs. I don’t need more power, but more longevity will help when I’m in the field working on fences. That extra 30% could be the difference for me
just carry the second battery with you and you will get even more time than with the hp, unless you are old and arthritic like me and dont have the power in your fingers to switch out batteries
And I thought Cody's lab was crazy when he used real gold for experiments. You bring it to a whole new level cutting up that priceless Lumber
that's how the big guys roll
Hah! That was funny! The ad break came on right during the ryobi advertisement that was a part of your video was for Konalt 24 Volt tools! Lol
Gotcha
I was a ryobi guy for decades cause the low cost. Recently the cost is pretty close to Dewalt so i upgraded to Dewalt and WOW. YOU NEED TO UPGRADE LIKE I DID.
I have noticed the price creeping up - I would go Milwaukee over Dewalt
@@Kitearmy Milwaukee is a good choice too
"Ya got city hands, Mr. Hooper....been counting money all your life."
"I don't need this working class hero crap"
Very glad you did this. Thanks 👍
Glad you liked it
I do notice the difference on my saw, when using a 3Ah high energy battery, it performs much better than my standard 5Ah batteries,
Base on review videos, the 3Ah High Performance is actually able to out perform even the new 4Ah High Performance due to the cell design. Unfortunately, Ryobi is planning to discontinue the 3Ah High Performance battery.
Great info. Thanks
Excellent video!!!
Thank you very much!
Be aware that both the P192 HP battery and the P197 Lithium battery uses the exact same Sony US18650VTC4 Lithium cells. So, the only difference appears to be the extra circuitry needed for the 2 additional HP terminals. Not sure if the HP is worth the extra money.
If that is true, I would say the Ryobi video was very misleading
The HP batteries have a circuit that exists in the batteries for tools with the extra contacts. It definitely matters. The HP tools move this circuit to the tool, negating the need of the HP battery, as the special sauce is already in the tool and doesn’t need extra contacts or that circuit in the tool.
To do a more comprehensive test, you’d need to do tests with a non-HP tool with each battery and HP tool with each battery. You’d see the HP battery affects the non-HP tools with extra contacts, and you’d see the HP tool perform about the same regardless of battery, because the HP “stuff” is in the tool now.
Working on another test right now
Thank you so much for doing this review/tutorial. I have just purchased a Ryobi drill/screwdriver and it is completely USELESS!! 1.5 battery. The screwdriver bit moves round and round but nothing happens. So I used my manual screwdriver and the screw was not difficult to unscrew and screw in???? I bought this drill/screwdriver because I am a woman!!! and I don't have that much strength!! It appears that I have more strength than the drill/screwdriver. WTF????? I am sending it right back, as I suspect the batteries do not have the strength to do the job. PS: the screwdriver bit went round and round and when I touched the screw - I burnt my fingers, the screw was actually shredded, there was no X left in order to get it out or drive it further in???????
yeah it's a Ryobi
I believe the tool has sensor that stops operation when to much force is exerted on tool to prevent damage to internal mechanism , as can seen in bog down test, good review, shows benefit of new battery & brushless tools.
Thanks mate
The fancy battery looked weaker. Maybe it’s better protected against overload. Better for battery but means you need a bigger one to get the tough jobs done. Kerching.
The HP battery has a little bit more power - but not much more
Love your methodology and agree with your conclusions. Was quite disappointed that the drill and impact didn't even have the 'HP' contacts but if the whole 'won't bog down' claim is bogus I'm not sure why.
Because they think they can get away with it
Thank you for the video definitely helps
Glad it helped
Great testing. New subscriber here.
Thanks for the sub!
Cool video dude! Can you do a video on a ONE+ 18V Cordless Hybrid WHISPER SERIES? I’m skeptical about purchasing one of these because of the duration. I live in a hurricane zone so I don’t own any of these items with batteries.
The real question is what flavor of popcorn was it? My vote is caramel! Hahah honestly amazing video I see an improvement even from the last one.
Thanks mate - happened to be a fun video to make
It's cheddar smartfood....party size!
Raise your hand if you have killed an entire bag in a single sitting.... *Hand up*
@@drwheycooler8423 it's addictive stuff - after you raise your hand don't forget to lick your fingers
Great call on what is the real value in batteries.
Thanks mate
Hey Andrew!!
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Thanks mate...they wait will not be long
Very informative. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Agreed, doesnt seem to be worth the expense for the more expensive battery.
right
Very nice. Pretty heavily and happily invested in the Ryobi line of tools for my projects. Thank you for the video
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the video!
I'm always confusing about their battery line up
Glad to help
Great video. Thanks.
Glad you liked it!
I do not know if you have but would be interesting to see the internals of those batteries and what cells they are using because if both are 4Ah then they should both store the same amount of energy and should last the same amount of time, which makes me think the HP one might have a higher mAh cells and then under-rating it on the box, the other option is the cells could be the same mAh but be a better quality cell that is able to put out more amps at one time and so be more resistant to voltage sag that would trigger battery protection. My guess is with the first option and they simply slapped the anti bog marketing crap as a way to try and sell them as new and better.
Very informative! :)
Thanks mate!
Good call..been wondering how big is the difference...get 2 and get more run time!!
glad to help
Just the comparison I wanted. Was debating if it was worth it to get the top tier but seems to make no difference plus there is the added weight and cost. Need two batteries to keep a fresh one on stand by or charging while using the other. Thanks for the tests.
Glad I could help
I watched this video and it took me to the end to realize who you (sort of) remind me of. It kept eating at me. You are the for adults version of Chad Wild Clay ;-) He could be your nephew.
Strange thing is - he is
@@Kitearmy I can’t tell if you are joking or not ;-). You’re video was super helpful though!
Also another thing this guy didn't consider is after 90 cuts that blade must be pretty dull you should have put a new blade on after each battery.
Good point
All I see is you shoving the saw into the wood even an electric saw will bog down if you treat it like that I get that Ryobi may not be top notch but I have to stand up for them on this and I get that you are showing difference in the two types of batteries.
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That's good content. 👍
I like the Demonstration.
I have Ryobi tools and I've been looking to buy new batteries.
I needed this information.
Thanks, Kite Army 👍
glad it was useful :)
Thank you for the review with useful results. Base on the price point of view the regular model is a much better deal.
05/04/2022 - Update: Home Depot Canada is selling 2 pack on both the P145 regular High Capacity for $99.00 and the PBP2004 High Performance on sale for $139.00 which makes the 40% difference justifiable (125 cuts vs 88 cuts =42% difference) which just break even and not really beneficial unless the owner's tool is able to take advantage of producing more torque or/and take less time to complete the same task.
I'm with you....the HP in my opinion is not worth over double the cost
RE: Bog Down Test: I wonder if it was the saw that was shutting down and not the battery in which case both batteries would test the same. This is a possibility because the 7" saw is the one tool that can literally be stopped if cutting too hard. No other tool has to deal with that. A trim saw or grinder might reveal what R is claiming.
RE: Missing Drill Contacts: The drills not having the extra contacts makes sense since drills are usually not bogged down - especially the little ones. If R makes a large HD drill, it might have the contacts.
I have a lawn mower that uses these. The HP battery allows me to cut for a much longer period of time before changing out. Worth the extra money? It depends on the project. I'm out in the hot sun mowing, I'll spend a bit more for a longer lasting battery.
good case
For bogdown test should have used a spring or a rope and weight to have same constant pull thru the cut!!!
yep - that is true
What is the shelf life of each battery? What is recycle limit to each battery? My son in law buys Ryobi charges uses charges and then does not use again for 6 months to year. By then the battery seems to be dead. That is his story. I know at times he does leave the battery in charger for exteeeeeended periods of time.
I have Ryobi batteries that still work well that are about 5 years old - though I don't leave them on the charger long
The worst thing you can do to a battery is to leave it in a discharged mode for an extended period of time. I recharge mine as soon as I am done with them.
You didn't show how much the batteries were charged on your very first cuts to stall out the saw.
Would be interesting to see if the impact version of this would in fact output more torque with the HP vs. standard pack?
I will do more testing
Good video. The circular saw will cut better if you extend the teeth of the blade only a little over the bottom.
Thanks mate - someone else suggested that too
Are the ones used for the mower, Trimmer and other lawn tools that same? I hate that you don't get enough time to mow your own lawn in one battery. Not even two; and I have an average yard to mow.
The HP battery does in fact give more power and in fact last longer. I have put both to the test myself. Just a minor note the terminals are the point of contract the extra two on the back are for certain tools but they all work the same you will still get the same results
I have tested the 3Ah HP battery vs 4Ah non-HP battery on a brushless circular saw. You need to test it in longitudinal cuts of 2x woods. The non-HP battery was stuck several times and cannot complete the cut while the 3Ah HP battery can. If you don't see a difference in performance, you are not testing it right.
cool
The HP tools have the chip installed inside the tool itself. So, yes it does “talk” to the battery.
Thanks for that test! Results where unexpecting to say the least.. Are there any point to by their new HP series tools if they dont really benefit from those extra connectors?
I really have not figured that out
How about the instant power vs. longevity though? On the ONE+ miter saw usage, that's some heavy duty usage and I'm wondering if the HP will do better (it comes with an HP).
I guess your "bog down" test should be what addresses this.
I have the same saw and it doesn't really ever bog down, but I only use hp batteries. Maybe I'm cutting softer wood? It rips through everything I throw at it.
yeah - I pushed them hard
Kinda funny cause we've used brushless motors for years on RC planes and never had a need for monitoring the battery contra motor for more power 😆 just two terminals from the battery to the ESC and straight to the BL motor and POW you got full power on full throttle 🤭😂
agreed
Should try HP's strength test on an impact wrench vs non-hp batteries. Maybe HP batteries provide with only 35% more runtime. How about max torque output in your impact wrench?
I hope they improve the torque
@@Kitearmy test it with hp battery vs no hp battery the torque.
So I have both of these batteries and I tore them apart to get the tech specs because I wanted to know the diff as well.
Ryobi p108 18v 4ah 72 watt (silver/black housing)
18650 Battery Type Samsung INR18650-20Q
Capacity 2000mAh Rated
Voltage 3.60V Nominal
Discharge 2.00V Cutoff voltage
15000mA (15Amps) Maximum draw
Ryobi p197 18v 4ah 72 watt (Black housing)
18650 Battery Type Sony US18650VTC4
Capacity 2100mAh Rated
Voltage 3.60V Nominal
Discharge 2.5V Cutoff voltage
30000mA (30Amps) Maximum draw
There are 10 batteries in each pack in a 2p5s setup
5 in serial times 3.6v = 18 volt total
2 strings of 5 are in parallel 2000mah x 2 = 4ah
or in the case of the VTC4 is is actually 4.2Ah
So to me the cheaper black battery has better specs by a tiny bit than the more expensive p108
Home Depot sells the p108 for 99.00 and the p197 for 69.00 but when they run specials around different holidays you can get the 2-pack of the p197 4ah black battery for 79.00 for both as seen here
www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE-4-0-Ah-Lithium-Ion-Battery-2-Pack-P145/306703572 (currently not in stock) but they bring back this deal all the time. Just keep checking. Especially around Memorial day, Labor Day and before Christmas.
I don't see why I would want to buy the more expensive battery or why either one is not almost identical in performance.
Great info - looks like the draw rating is the real difference
@@Kitearmy Well that is the real issue. I didn't go into that detail. The black packs are actually more powerful batteries and there are 2 strings in parallel in each so in reality you can actually pull a total of 30 amps continuous from the p108 and 60 amps from the p197 but obviously for a much shorter time since they are rated at 4ah pulling 60amps would drain them in 5-10 minutes. I own a a battery tab welder and have built several ebike battery packs in the 2000watt or more range.
The issue here is the BMS board on top. It is what seems to be limiting the draw current making the p108 seem better. BOTH battery packs were built extremely well but the wires from the battery packs to the terminals where it would connect to the tool are not that big. Pulling 60amps through them would melt them pretty fast so that's why they probably limit the current draw. But why build such a great battery and use a smaller gauge wire I ask. I would imagine it has to do with the way the coupling contacts are made between the battery and the tool. With out hard wiring the battery to the tool there may be to much heat build up due to the resistance of the connectors to have the battery operate safely for long periods of use without over heating and causing a total meltdown. The 40volt batteries went with a different battery to tool connector and can handle much more current but ryobi can't go back and retro fit their entire 18v+ tool line and compatibility so they are just using what they have to deal with. Either way BOTH of these battery packs could put out way more power than they do. I retired early last year after working on electronics for 35 years, now that I am bored I may do some further testing on these and see where the limiting issues are. :)
@@jamescole6846 I'm sure with your expertise you would do a bang up job