I expected a bigger gap than that. Not that I thought it’d run with the flex on the hp batteries, but for that much more money, I thought it’d have been closer to the Flex time than the regular batteries. I appreciate your integrity sir. 👊
I agree I was expecting more for twice the cash. One thing I should have mentioned in this version= using speed setting 1 with its slow torque is taxing. After 3 holes my arm was happy we were done. The Flex on high speed is effortless. Home owner grade tools can get the job done but I would take a Flex/DeWALT/ M18 any day for that job. Thank you for the comment. You made this a better, more accurate video. 👊
If you don't have hp brushless ryboi it won't make a difference your not well informed... it's sad you have a voice with so little work your like CNN msnbc
I started my Ryobi collection in 2022 after my Craftsman drill/driver, purchased in 2003, battery could no longer hold a charge, and Craftsman no longer made batteries to support that tool. I went with the Ryobi HP Compact Brushless line of tools. I use them around the house and on the car. I have no complaints.👍🏽 The only difference among batteries is that the larger batteries will work/last longer, otherwise I can't tell any other difference among batteries, HP or regular.✌🏽
Perfect simple straight test, the Smaller Channels always make the best videos. I bought a kit that came with 2x 2ah HP batteries, Now i know 100% that my plan to buy the on sale 4ah and 6ah HP is a good choice, because the 2ah will reduce the power a lot.
Great video, im a huge ryobi fan myself but i mainly do light woodworking and around the house stuff, perfect tools for what i do. but you're right about the regular batteries vs the high performance, i mainly only see the difference in my ryobi lawn tools, such as my weed wacker and leaf blower, weedwacker doesnt bog down as much in the thicker stuff with the hp, and the blower seems to blow more on high performance rather than the regulars, i dont notice much of a difference with my drills/drivers or my other woodworking tools that are ryobi
I like your thought process. But they are 18V from beginning to end. So that is how much power they should put out at 1 time. What I think should be tested is how long one will last over another before needing to be recharged. That is where I think you would see the difference.
It should maintain 18 volts nomial yeah, but the amperage should be higher. Higher amps same volts leads to higher wattage, or a higher level of power in the tool.
Aside from the $200 battery package elevating you into the brushless versions of their tools that you get free, the 2 4ah batteries for $99 is the better value in my opinion - and this video is evidence of that. Good video 👍
Thanks for taking a look into this! The Torque Test Channel has a two-part video on the P262. In the first part, they tried the regular battery and the results were very inconsistent. In part two, they tried the HP batteries (particularly the 3ah one, which had 21700 cells, but it performs similarly with the 4ah one) and the P262 basically becomes a Milwaukee 2962. Personally, I'd splurge (and in fact I did) on the $199 combo, since the tools are better than the ones you get with the $99 combo and non-HP batteries.
Thanks for the input Nicolas. I agree the free tool makes a difference on which kit makes more sense. Im surprised there isn't a drill or 1/4 driver offered with the $99 kit. Thanks for watching!
I have used Ryobi professionally for years. use the right tool for the job and dont abuse it. I have a drill and 2 of my batteries are over 10 years old, which is more than I can say when I tried Dewalt. The HP battery is how quickly it can put out the power for the power hungry tools like circular saws and you wont see much of a difference on a drill. Using a 24v flex at the end of the test, what did you expect against an 18v Ryobi. It makes me wonder who is the one flexing the drill or you
The price difference in the two tier options had more to do with the tools your getting with the batteries and the total amp hours in the packs. That’s the $100 difference. The HP packs will also output more power to certain tools that have the extra contacts like the circ saw and the recip saw. Also your getting the high end HP brushless tools with the $199 vs the brushed tools for $99
As I understand it, and I'm still learning, is that the Ryobi HP batteries allow the tool to override and control the battery directly, instead of the battery to control the battery. This allows tools to demand more without the battery cutting out. As such I believe most of the extra comes at the lower end of battery life, when a standard battery perhaps on 2 bars gets a excessive load it may shut you down and flash the light at you, while the HP batteries can override that and have the battery keep producing. Perhaps a test to show its merit would be to see how long each battery can sustain it's function on high load devices. As you saw during high load applications the battery can appear initially more depleted than it really is (the bound back that you mentioned), I believe the tools that communicate with the batteries take that bounce back into account and will allow the batteries to get to a lower voltage under load without tripping the cutout.
I use Ryobi tools professionally and have had no issues with them. As far as aftermarket batteries go, I've found that those batteries will cause the tool to stop when the tool is bogged down. That leads me to believe that any aftermarket battery cannot handle the voltage drop, and therefore the tool stops. Based on that, I can only assume that the high performance battery's probably handle voltage drop much better than the regular ones, and deliver power more adequately, similarly to a higher C rating (power delivery) on lipo batteries for RC cars. And as far as amp hour goes... Just like another commenter said, amp hour only has to do with runtime.
I have been using the regular 4ah batteries for about 6 years. I removed a very difficult flywheel from a riding mower, lug nuts, ...... I have no complaints, because they work fast and well enough for the few tough jobs I've thrown at the regular batteries.
I agree! Those 2 regular batteries have served me well for 3 years. I think a beginner might benefit from 2 sets of the regular with 2 chargers and 2 free tools. They’d be set for quite a while. Thanks for watching!
Observation (not an expert but). The 2, 4, and 6 Ah on the batteries is a measure of the capacity and duration of the batteries; a bit like the capacity of the tank in your truck? ... The rate of work and the ability of the tool is dependent on the Wattage of the tools motor, it will only draw as many Watts as it can use, regardless of the 'size' (capacity) of the battery ??? Perhaps you're asking the wrong question? ... Love your channel by the way.
You are correct Ah is a measure of capacity. Higher Ah and higher performance batteries do tend to hold higher voltages longer under load. In the hobby battery world its batteries C rating that measures its discharge speed. There isn't a rating like that for tools to my knowledge so we have to rely on the manufactures generic "high performance" label hoping were getting something better. That's my opinion but Im also not a battery expert. Thanks for watching!!
That nail gun in the $199 kit is a great gun. Nice precision point tip compared to my older cheaper air guns and I've already put a few thousand nails through it putting up T&G and other various things. You can shoot a lot of nails before the battery starts to go down. I wouldn't be surprised if you got at least 3-4k nails from the 6AH before it died but can't say for sure since I usually charged it at the end of the day which was down about 1 bar. If I was just buying batteries I would likely get the cheaper ones but with the price of the nail gun the 3 HP batteries were nearly free. None of the other tools really interested me since I hate giving up performance and already have plenty of Dewalt 20v and plan to get some Milwaukee soon. But their brushless nail gun really does a great job. People seem to really like their cheaper nail gun as well. One last thought - perhaps the batteries performance differences are more noticeable in certain tools. I wouldn't go buy their entire line up just to test it out but it wouldn't surprise me if some benefit more then others.
I was really tempted to get the nail gun but I figured the impact would benefit the channel more. I also have four Porter Cable guns and a Paslode framer so not a ton of need. Would be nice to not fire up that noisy pancake compressor though. Both the impact and hammer drill have the extra contacts to benefit from the HP batteries but I didn't see a ton of improvement except for the 6Ah which probably holds a higher voltage under load. A straight up beginner would probably get the most out of 2 $100 sets and 2 free tools. Having four 4Ah batteries would set them up for a long time. Thanks for watching!
Mike, another good one. I'm not in the platform and would have no use (except to entertain myself) with a 17" auger bit anymore. It's always been hard for me to detect the difference between the batteries as I have done it for the yellow and black brand.
I returned all my regular batteries from my Ryobi Days combos. I planned to return the HP batteries i got with the stick vacuum as well, but wanted to give them a try to see if the HP vac would perform better with the HP batteries. I should have just waited for someone to test it for me like this. I'm regretting keeping them now.
I had a sad day at work today. I use Ryobi but it just wasnt strong enough. This video confirms my doubts. I put screws in all day and I used my friends drill at the end of the day and his drill was much stronger
I use Ryobi myself, just a DIYer, and I can tell the difference when using saws for sure. Also I'm shocked that it can drill in speed 2, I haven't had any issues with my drill, I may get that bit just to try for my self.
From my experience, I don't really see a difference except on my miter saw where it is not enough difference on run time but cut with more power. I like Ryobi and for price you can go wrong. For average DYI'ers which I include myself in, they do the job. For bigger projects though I go with another tool line mostly because of the performance of the batteries. Ryobi is good but that 17" auger I would used something different.
What I have found these batteries good for is to run my fish finder on my kayak with a converter. The basic tools do great for small jobs around the house.
Avid DIYer here and have quite a few of the Ryobi and find Best bang for buck I find to be regular 4ah and 2ah. The 6ah or any HP ones do not give an increase in performance to match increase in price.
Anything to do with the fact you are using both battery types in a HP drill, would it make any difference in an none HP drill? Might be just the fact that instead of getting say 300 holes out of a normal battery, you get 400 out of a HP battery?
This is my question still... I can't seem to find the answer in any of the reviews. Pretty disappointed in Ryobi to market HP with AND without the extra connector.
please do a follow up video comparing standard battery and HP battery on brushed tools. Would like your opinion if using HP battery can get more out of the entry level tools
I think the battery just gives each tool more life, not so much power. I was using the regular batteries for the lawn mower and when I bought the higher value batteries, I only noticed that I’d have to do less charging during my lawn cutting
Well Mike this video may have saved me a nickel for sure but I don’t use them enough to pay for those in my shop as much as I use mine! Thanks for another great video my friend!
Technically speaking 6Ah is supposed to last longer and does not mean it provides more power. 6Ah means, if you draw 1A from the battery it is supposed to last 6 hours. It does not mean it provides 6A instead of 2A or 4A. The amount of power (voltage x amps) that the device takes depends on the device (drill). So I’m not sure why you are expecting a larger battery to provide more torque or faster speed.
I think the non-hp have different electronics in the battery to prevent it from unleashing too much. The HP batteries probably have a bit less protection, or different electronics. They are all 18650 cells and the HP actually use cheaper versions from EVE instead of Samsung, Panasonic, etc. I also think there's a max limit to the benefit of "HP" batteries. You might see a big benefit driving small/medium lags, but little to no benefit when the task is exceeding the ability of the tool's motor. All this is to say the regular 4ah and HP 4ah are pretty much the same. Ultimately the HP tools themselves are significant step ups from regular Ryobi, and you can only get it with the $199 HP battery set which is well worth it imo.
The only reason in my mind to get the HP batteries is to get one of the premium brushless tools for free during Ryobi days. Otherwise they are not at all worth it.
@robertbachelder9587 You’re exactly right man. I’ve been using Ryobi tools since the mid to late 90s and I’ve worked everything from residential to commercial which includes small home repairs to large commercial projects. From my experience and what I do the batteries are the most part because they fit in all of Ryobi tools. Make the old blue tools back to sell there on steroids lol. But for sure, I get all the batteries all the time and pick up the free tools on the way.
Ryobi guy through and through but I’m not gonna lie, when I saw the Flex tools being used on a different homebuilder channel I follow I did some research and really like what I see.
@@GoRams-WR_DB-21why? Pricing looks about the same as Milwaukee comparing batteries and tools. Much rather have an established brand with more tool selection than an unproven ??? For that kind of money.
The HP batteries really only shine in the larger AH or in combination with the HP tools that have the extra contacts to take advantage of the HP functionality. If the tools dont have the extra contacts then its close to a wash.
For the first couple of months this year, you could get a 2 pack of the brand new Ryobi 6AH high performance batteries for $135. Ain’t gonna hang with pro tools but that’s still a good price. Sadly that same 2 pack now costs twice as much, I should bought more of them.
So they have the HP high capacity batteries and the High Performance batteries now.... which is weird that the one called high Performance wouldn't be called the HP one. The HP one says high capacity on it while the one called High Performance doesn't have the HP on it. Maybe the high Performance one is the newest version since it is a bit more?
I have some old 2ah ryobi batteries that need replacing. Homedepot has a deal for both a 6ah high performance and a 4ah high performance battery for $99. I think think they are worth it for that price for both batteries. I'm only using these occasionally.
My test with the 6amp hr was to rotate all the tires on my car...or two cars will make the batteries run almost to a stop....I keep the p262 in my truck incase of a flat along with a tire inflator (power from the truck DC accessory).
I just purchased a ryobi cultivator/tiller which comes standard with 4AH battery. for the extra $$ would you recommend a high AH? I don't believe it's anything other than 4.0 Ah battery. since I'd be working in a garden - would I be better off to purchase a couple of the standard ones (4.0) instead of one with a higher Ah? do they all use the same charger? I'm looking for power but also for how long they go without needing a charge. the cultivator has 3 speeds.
I'm not sure why Ryobi came out with a lesser line of batteries, unless it was to compete with Amazon knockoffs. I have have a pair of RYOBI's 3Ah HP ONE+, and they're each better than the 4Ah plane janes. The 6Ah and 8Ah Amazon knockoffs will run with them and actually last 5 to maybe 15 minutes longer, depending on the job, but I'm mostly getting away from my Ryobi brushed stuff in favor of brushless. I'm also on both Milwaukee FUEL lines/battery platforms. For the money though, I'm really looking at FLEX or SKIL. Being that they each are making jumping to another platform far more appealing with complete kits, and SKIL 2 battery platforms with better options for the tools I use the most, compared to Ryobi.
Have tons of tools that i use regularly. The 4ah and 4ah-HP batteries, you'll never really notice a difference when using. The HP looks better, but the normal one has the nice rubber trim. So get the ones that are cheaper when you need them. HOWEVER! Do NOT get the 1.5ah or 2ah black nom HP batteries, they are usually the ones thag come woth kits, and wvery single one of them (about 6) that i have had die within 2 years with very little use on them. Any time i get one now i just throw it away. Nwver had this problem with the black 4ah though, have 4 and used the absolute shit out of all of them. And ofc all my hp batteries wven the small ones are doing great. I am intested to see how the EDGE series will impact the normal and HP availability and pricing.
I don't see how there could be any real difference since they appear to be using the same battery cells in each battery. Do they somehow use "better" 18650 cells in the HP batteries? 4ah of 18650 should equal 4ah of 18650. More contacts to use the power more efficiently or more contacts to draw more power? I don't know. I would think if they were able to draw more power they would run out of charge faster. Non-HP tools aren't able to take advantage of the HP features of the battery regardless, so if someone is using the HP batteries on non-HP tools, I don't think they get any benefit at all.
Ryobi HP tool line is the brushless motor tools. Being brushless there is nothing rubbing the motor causing friction. This makes them a little more powerful and efficient. There are also different quality, capacity and discharge rates on 18650 battery and the differences between them can be drastic. For instance I forgot to mention in the vid that the HP 4 and 6 are the exact same size and only about an ounce difference in weight. I’ll probably pop a short vid taking them all apart because I’m curious which cells they used. Thanks for watching!
You need to use the hp tool with the hp battery it has 2 more prongs on the back off the battery and on the tool. It doesn't work with normal ryobi tools
My understanding from watching another review is that the HP batteries are best if you are working in a cold climate. Other than that, they offer little performance improvements.
I did a runtime test with the latest black 4ah battery and the hp 4ah with a fan and turns out the hp did provide that much longer. Probably only about 15 to 20 minutes. The only thing hp batteries are good for are the two tabs on the back and the tools they go for. In ryobi days I cam get 4 4ah batteries for 198$ or 3 hp batteries for 199$ and each one is smaller and smaller.
I agree. If I was a beginner and had the option I’d get 4 regular batteries with 2 free tools and 2 chargers. I’d be set with batteries for a long while. Thanks for watching!
I’m a Ryobi user myself have about 11-12 various tools, where I think the HP batteries shine are on the outdoor items, weed eater, blower , vacuum , and probably sprayer though I don’t have one to say for sure, anyway, I do notice a difference with the grinder when I use the 6Ah battery, I am very curious to get a hold of the new 8ah and 12 ah batteries and see that difference, but I do think overall the power difference will differ from tool to tool, good video man
Flex sent me that drill/driver for free for the review but if it was stolen I’d go over to Lowe’s and buy another one the next day. Im looking forward to checking out more Flex tools. Thanks for watching Bradley!
I’ve owned the reg two batteries about 3 years and have been happy with the performance. I used one to inflate a large end loader tire. It ran Ryobi’s inflator for 30 mins if I remember correctly and had power to spare. Thanks for watching!
@@ProjectsForAllReviews I can’t believe I forgot that I also have the inflator. I used mine to blow up pool floats and to deflate them. I figured there was no sense in buying the dewalt for twice the money and I don’t use it that much so I couldn’t justify it Hearing that you blew up a loader tire makes me happy I got the one i did.
I'll I can say very lame .I am very disappointed.ive had 3 batteries fail in the 1st year of ownership and brand new 6 mo brushless drill.im very disillusioned by batter powered tools over all .I need to bust out my 9 volt Makita drill .I buy a new generator with the money I save using corded tools.😂
I don’t think I call it a scam. Definitely a little underwhelming. You do get a third bat, 50% more Ah and a 6Ah that does outperform the others. Also you get to pick a more expensive free tool. Thanks for watching!
You completely missed the point if you thought this was the takeaway from this video. He is attempting to demonstrate the difference between the various batteries. The longer the test, the easier it is to measure variance between runs. Not to mention, since he is trying to determine power differences, it would make sense to try to push the tools and batteries to their limits to see where those limits are. Drilling 1/8" holes 2" deep would not be enough to show any sort of difference between the tools or batteries.
Never been a fan of ryobi. theyll make one or two good products to get you in their eco systems and then you find out everything else is hot garbage. Oh lets not forget missing or deceptive marketing. PS, I never liked their battery technology. I cant tell the difference from ryobi or cheap Chinese knockoff batteries. I actually prefer black and decker or skill to ryobi. I bought my son a lot of Milwaukee products in their m18 lineup and none of them have disappointed. expensive and at my age I don't need them, but for him, their legacy tools he can pass on to my grandson's. I envy all that red Milwaukee branding in his shop. I hope they stop making new tools because my credit card cant take this kind of abuse...lol just bought the MILWAUKEE'S 2729-20 M18 Fuel Deep Cut Band Saw and the SWAG V4.0 Portaband Table - MADE IN USA. its for Christmas. great video, I also enjoy the knowledge. Take care.
Milwaukee has a lot of my money too! The only one that didn’t overly impress me was the Fuel 7-1/4 circ saw. That said I’m also getting to a point in my life where the crazy price tags no long makes a ton of sense. I’ve had good luck with Ryobi and been pretty happy with them for the money. I do really like everything Skil has sent and for the money I think they’re close to the best you can get for the cash. Hopefully Skil keeps expanding the lineup. Thanks for watching!
Milwaukee and Ryobi are owned by the same company, in fact a lot of Milwaukee tools come from Ryobi's R&D development team. I have Chinese knockoff batteries and Ryobi originals and I can tell the difference even when you weigh the batteries the Ryobi are a lot heaver at equal ah. Ryobi is targeted at the DIY market not the everyday contractor user and I think most of their products are well within that market.
WAY, WAY TOO MANY FAN BOY POSTS. I have spent 35 years as a contractor, I'm retired, but most of the posts here are FANBOYISM! Really, you are being used. TRUTH!
@Projects For All The way I understand it from Ryobi's literature on the different available battery series and tool series is that the supposed main advantage will be realized when you use their BRUSHLESS tools with the "Lithium+HP" batteries. The "+HP" batteries have an additional built-in IC control chip that monitors the real-time performance of any of their BRUSHLESS tools. And AFAIK, the "+HP" batteries don't really have any other significant advantages if you are not using their BRUSHLESS tools. Whether or not this is actually true in Real-World performance, I do not know and have not tested. However, your P262 Impact Driver is supposedly a BRUSHLESS tool, designated by the "ONE+" followed by "HP" on the side. You also conducted this test with the one "regular" or standard 4AH battery that was at least 3 years old, which will no doubt have diminished performance compared to a much newer battery. All testing between the different series of batteries should be done with NEW batteries so that each one doesn't have wildly different charge/discharge cycles. Li-Ion batteries also degrade over time, especially if they sit for long periods uncharged or in a low state of charge, and due to overheating. They are less susceptible to "memory" effects, but not completely "memory free". The ideal maintenance charge level for prolonged "shelf life", and to extract the largest number of healthy charge cycles for Li-Ion battery cells is around 80%...not too low, and not too high. Some laptop PCs, smartphones, and tablets have an option in the "Battery & Charging" menu to enable this 80% charge limitation. Constant high current draw tools such as cordless vacuums and leaf blowers really tax these batteries...and, of course, your impact driver with big, long lag bolts and the circular saws. QUESTIONS REGARDING THE DIFFERENT RYOBI BATTERIES: My father has some Ryobi "Lithium+" 18v batteries, and then a few newer "Lithium+HP" batteries...i.e. "High Performance". But I'm curious, because his "Lithium+HP" batteries don't spell out the full "HIGH PERFORMANCE" logo anywhere on the battery...they are just labeled as "Lithium+HP" with "18V" below it. While YOUR batteries are labelled "18V Lithium" AND also spell out "HIGH PERFORMANCE" below it. In addition, your batteries are Not labelled with the "+" after "Lithium". So does this "+" designation make any difference??? For example: My pop's Battery says: "Lithium+HP 18V" Your Battery says: "18V Lithium High Performance" So is there any significance to the addition of the "+" after "Lithium"??? So confused, now, LOL. Luckily, my own cordless tools are either Bosch 18V Core or the Makita LXT.
The entire point is that the HP batteries are designed to be able to deliver more current. Of course 4Ah = 4Ah regardless of what tech we are discussing, but the claim is that the HP batteries will allow more current to flow if they deem it safe to do so. Whether the claim holds up in real-life tests or not, understanding the claim itself is super easy and there is no reason why you should struggle with that.
I have a boatload of Ryobi tools. I love them. I don't build things for money. I fix stuff around the house and I make custom desks and racks for my recording studio. Made some end tables here recently that kind of thing. I'm just a hobbyist at most but what I have figured out for the most part is that Ryobi's brushless series is awesome for what I do, and never buy anything they make that plugs in to the wall. My table saw and miter saw are both not Ryobi.
For the price and for the average person Ryobi is tough to beat. They have the largest selection of tools of any budget brand and that adds a lot of value if you ask me. Thanks for watching!
Mike I’m totally with you as I love the Ryobi Brand myself, but I guess it would depend on what free tool comes with each deal, depending on how I would go at it, the extra 100.00 dollars might be worth it for a tool I don’t have and possible could use to add to my collection. Thanks for the insight on the awesome battery comparison
@randywilson4529 I agree the free tool is really the deciding factor here. I do wish I could have shown a little better battery performance for the money though. Thanks for watching!
Not all tools are compatible with high performance batteries! You’ll see there are extra electrical contacts on high performance batteries, and matching contacts on compatible high performance tools! High performance batteries don’t make any difference on regular tools.
Speed one slower rpm higher torque. Speed 2 higher rpm. Lower torque. The other thing is does the tool have the extra 2 contacts inside the tool. The HP batteries have 2 extra contacts to communicate with the tool for more power. Some HP branded tools don't have the extra 2 contacts in the tool. So battery matters not.
Right now I can buy 2 regular 4 amp hour batteries for $79.99. I've been using these batteries for years and they've worked great for all my projects. As a homeowner, this is the biggest bang for my buck.
I do agree based on what I experienced in this video. Although if you were planning to get a tool that's now free with that kit it may make sense. At least you get 50% more Ah, a third battery and the 6Ah does perform a little better. Thanks for watching
It's not double the price for just the batteries. The $99 deal, you get 2 4ah batteries and the free tool options are all brushed. Where the $199 HP battery deal, the free tools offered are all brushless. So you're getting a better tool.
The tool (itself) could be a bigger difference when combined with the HP batteries - nothing wrong with using any combination but the results may be a bit more if it's a HP Brushless tool with a HP battery. If you're in a situation where you really need the better performance it's probably time to upgrade to another brand though.... Keep in mind that I AM a Ryobi Fan Boy and I think that some of the HP stuff is hype and marketing. Where you can go brushless for the tool and just buy another "regular" battery with the difference in price between the HP batteries - switching batteries takes less time than waiting to charge ;-)
Should have included a heat test ...see how much the hp heats up compared to the normal one ...heat is the enemy, cant charge a hot battery also hot batteries have a shorter life.
Use them in Other tools and come back to me. Look at the same size. You can see the 6 is always a bit faster. The difference may be the fact its consistency as well and longevity of the battery. Compact blower/Power scrubber, both like the HP batteries. Definitely gotta play with the line up. I think if you can get HP battery deals or package deals with HP batteries. Youre still better off then the regular outdated batteries.
Great Video! I purchased 3 of the $99 Battery Kits (4ah and 2ah and Charger) and got 3 free tools. 40% discount on the battery kit and an average of 40% off the tools. Very High value utility for the tools. and apparently solid batteries with the kits. The battery kit can be returned to get $60 back. Based upon your review I'm going to keep the battery kits. I also picked up the $200 with free tool deals. Pairing a $200 vacuum in one kit and returning it for $107 cash back. (high cost tool lowers the cost of the batteries) My other deal was a lower cost tool and returned the batteries for a larger refund. (got the tool for 70% off) The "den of tools" and the "Tool Boss" discuss the how to. It can only be done with online purchase.. Thanks again. 😎👍
The annoying thing is Ryobi doesn't make a high capacity regular battery. They sell a bunch of fans and lights that just don't need high power but would benefit with higher capacity like a 8,19, or 12ah.
I think some tools benefit from other batteries, but seems like this drill and impact does not. I know torque test channel has seen some tools perform better based on the battery. Some of that though I think is batteries with 18650's vs 21700's. Thank you for doing this test, great video.
I saw the chicago electric worm drive saw at harbor freight and haven't found any reviews of it. I'm guessing most don't want to spend $130 on a skilsaw knock-off from harbor freight, but i would be interested to see if it's any good. Maybe you could get one to review
Wow! It's one thing to see graphs of torque measurements like on Torque Test Channel, but see a practical example of how much faster the Flex is than the Ryobi is really impressive.
Most part is length of run time so when you are doing a lot of work over along time the bigger batteries dobetter also I have killed a couple of the regular batteries using a brushed impact wrench, you are much less likely to do that on the hp batteries
As far as I understand it with the impact, they will all work at lower torque, but you get the full 600 ftlbs with the 6 ah hp. It's more noticeable on the higher draw tools, rip saw and circular saw
I could see a big difference between the 2 contact standard batteries and the HP's with the additional contacts on the back of the stem on the products that use those contacts. My newer circular saw is a very different beast when mated to the newer batteries.
I expected a bigger gap than that. Not that I thought it’d run with the flex on the hp batteries, but for that much more money, I thought it’d have been closer to the Flex time than the regular batteries. I appreciate your integrity sir. 👊
I agree I was expecting more for twice the cash. One thing I should have mentioned in this version= using speed setting 1 with its slow torque is taxing. After 3 holes my arm was happy we were done. The Flex on high speed is effortless. Home owner grade tools can get the job done but I would take a Flex/DeWALT/ M18 any day for that job. Thank you for the comment. You made this a better, more accurate video. 👊
If you don't have hp brushless ryboi it won't make a difference your not well informed... it's sad you have a voice with so little work your like CNN msnbc
All HP brushless tools with the extra contacts….🙄
I started my Ryobi collection in 2022 after my Craftsman drill/driver, purchased in 2003, battery could no longer hold a charge, and Craftsman no longer made batteries to support that tool.
I went with the Ryobi HP Compact Brushless line of tools. I use them around the house and on the car. I have no complaints.👍🏽
The only difference among batteries is that the larger batteries will work/last longer, otherwise I can't tell any other difference among batteries, HP or regular.✌🏽
Perfect simple straight test, the Smaller Channels always make the best videos. I bought a kit that came with 2x 2ah HP batteries, Now i know 100% that my plan to buy the on sale 4ah and 6ah HP is a good choice, because the 2ah will reduce the power a lot.
Great video, im a huge ryobi fan myself but i mainly do light woodworking and around the house stuff, perfect tools for what i do. but you're right about the regular batteries vs the high performance, i mainly only see the difference in my ryobi lawn tools, such as my weed wacker and leaf blower, weedwacker doesnt bog down as much in the thicker stuff with the hp, and the blower seems to blow more on high performance rather than the regulars, i dont notice much of a difference with my drills/drivers or my other woodworking tools that are ryobi
I like your thought process. But they are 18V from beginning to end. So that is how much power they should put out at 1 time.
What I think should be tested is how long one will last over another before needing to be recharged. That is where I think you would see the difference.
It should maintain 18 volts nomial yeah, but the amperage should be higher. Higher amps same volts leads to higher wattage, or a higher level of power in the tool.
Aside from the $200 battery package elevating you into the brushless versions of their tools that you get free, the 2 4ah batteries for $99 is the better value in my opinion - and this video is evidence of that. Good video 👍
I agree Tony it’s all about the free tool! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for taking a look into this! The Torque Test Channel has a two-part video on the P262. In the first part, they tried the regular battery and the results were very inconsistent. In part two, they tried the HP batteries (particularly the 3ah one, which had 21700 cells, but it performs similarly with the 4ah one) and the P262 basically becomes a Milwaukee 2962.
Personally, I'd splurge (and in fact I did) on the $199 combo, since the tools are better than the ones you get with the $99 combo and non-HP batteries.
Thanks for the input Nicolas. I agree the free tool makes a difference on which kit makes more sense. Im surprised there isn't a drill or 1/4 driver offered with the $99 kit. Thanks for watching!
I have used Ryobi professionally for years. use the right tool for the job and dont abuse it. I have a drill and 2 of my batteries are over 10 years old, which is more than I can say when I tried Dewalt.
The HP battery is how quickly it can put out the power for the power hungry tools like circular saws and you wont see much of a difference on a drill.
Using a 24v flex at the end of the test, what did you expect against an 18v Ryobi. It makes me wonder who is the one flexing the drill or you
The price difference in the two tier options had more to do with the tools your getting with the batteries and the total amp hours in the packs. That’s the $100 difference. The HP packs will also output more power to certain tools that have the extra contacts like the circ saw and the recip saw. Also your getting the high end HP brushless tools with the $199 vs the brushed tools for $99
I only use the their High Torque. The HP makes a large difference there. The 12AH battery is phenomenal, matching it close to my Milwaukee.
As I understand it, and I'm still learning, is that the Ryobi HP batteries allow the tool to override and control the battery directly, instead of the battery to control the battery. This allows tools to demand more without the battery cutting out. As such I believe most of the extra comes at the lower end of battery life, when a standard battery perhaps on 2 bars gets a excessive load it may shut you down and flash the light at you, while the HP batteries can override that and have the battery keep producing. Perhaps a test to show its merit would be to see how long each battery can sustain it's function on high load devices. As you saw during high load applications the battery can appear initially more depleted than it really is (the bound back that you mentioned), I believe the tools that communicate with the batteries take that bounce back into account and will allow the batteries to get to a lower voltage under load without tripping the cutout.
I use Ryobi tools professionally and have had no issues with them. As far as aftermarket batteries go, I've found that those batteries will cause the tool to stop when the tool is bogged down. That leads me to believe that any aftermarket battery cannot handle the voltage drop, and therefore the tool stops. Based on that, I can only assume that the high performance battery's probably handle voltage drop much better than the regular ones, and deliver power more adequately, similarly to a higher C rating (power delivery) on lipo batteries for RC cars.
And as far as amp hour goes... Just like another commenter said, amp hour only has to do with runtime.
That flex drill looks fantastic. And yes, the Ryobi tool are decent and reliable tools for home owners. I’m surprised at the HP performance.
I have been using the regular 4ah batteries for about 6 years. I removed a very difficult flywheel from a riding mower, lug nuts, ...... I have no complaints, because they work fast and well enough for the few tough jobs I've thrown at the regular batteries.
I agree! Those 2 regular batteries have served me well for 3 years. I think a beginner might benefit from 2 sets of the regular with 2 chargers and 2 free tools. They’d be set for quite a while. Thanks for watching!
Observation (not an expert but). The 2, 4, and 6 Ah on the batteries is a measure of the capacity and duration of the batteries; a bit like the capacity of the tank in your truck? ... The rate of work and the ability of the tool is dependent on the Wattage of the tools motor, it will only draw as many Watts as it can use, regardless of the 'size' (capacity) of the battery ??? Perhaps you're asking the wrong question? ... Love your channel by the way.
You are correct Ah is a measure of capacity. Higher Ah and higher performance batteries do tend to hold higher voltages longer under load. In the hobby battery world its batteries C rating that measures its discharge speed. There isn't a rating like that for tools to my knowledge so we have to rely on the manufactures generic "high performance" label hoping were getting something better. That's my opinion but Im also not a battery expert. Thanks for watching!!
That nail gun in the $199 kit is a great gun. Nice precision point tip compared to my older cheaper air guns and I've already put a few thousand nails through it putting up T&G and other various things. You can shoot a lot of nails before the battery starts to go down. I wouldn't be surprised if you got at least 3-4k nails from the 6AH before it died but can't say for sure since I usually charged it at the end of the day which was down about 1 bar.
If I was just buying batteries I would likely get the cheaper ones but with the price of the nail gun the 3 HP batteries were nearly free. None of the other tools really interested me since I hate giving up performance and already have plenty of Dewalt 20v and plan to get some Milwaukee soon. But their brushless nail gun really does a great job. People seem to really like their cheaper nail gun as well.
One last thought - perhaps the batteries performance differences are more noticeable in certain tools. I wouldn't go buy their entire line up just to test it out but it wouldn't surprise me if some benefit more then others.
I was really tempted to get the nail gun but I figured the impact would benefit the channel more. I also have four Porter Cable guns and a Paslode framer so not a ton of need. Would be nice to not fire up that noisy pancake compressor though.
Both the impact and hammer drill have the extra contacts to benefit from the HP batteries but I didn't see a ton of improvement except for the 6Ah which probably holds a higher voltage under load. A straight up beginner would probably get the most out of 2 $100 sets and 2 free tools. Having four 4Ah batteries would set them up for a long time. Thanks for watching!
Mike, another good one. I'm not in the platform and would have no use (except to entertain myself) with a 17" auger bit anymore. It's always been hard for me to detect the difference between the batteries as I have done it for the yellow and black brand.
Thanks for watching Meat!
I returned all my regular batteries from my Ryobi Days combos. I planned to return the HP batteries i got with the stick vacuum as well, but wanted to give them a try to see if the HP vac would perform better with the HP batteries. I should have just waited for someone to test it for me like this. I'm regretting keeping them now.
I had a sad day at work today. I use Ryobi but it just wasnt strong enough. This video confirms my doubts. I put screws in all day and I used my friends drill at the end of the day and his drill was much stronger
I use Ryobi myself, just a DIYer, and I can tell the difference when using saws for sure.
Also I'm shocked that it can drill in speed 2, I haven't had any issues with my drill, I may get that bit just to try for my self.
The Ryobi can only run that huge bit in speed 1 but it will run it. Thanks for watching!
From my experience, I don't really see a difference except on my miter saw where it is not enough difference on run time but cut with more power. I like Ryobi and for price you can go wrong. For average DYI'ers which I include myself in, they do the job. For bigger projects though I go with another tool line mostly because of the performance of the batteries. Ryobi is good but that 17" auger I would used something different.
I agree! I’ve been mostly happy with Ryobi for lesser used tools. The yard tools not as much though. Thanks for watching!
What I have found these batteries good for is to run my fish finder on my kayak with a converter. The basic tools do great for small jobs around the house.
The $100 difference is only something I'd pay to get the 6ah battery. Looking forward to their 12ah beast, which probably weighs as much as the tools.
I'll see if I can get my hands on those new big batteries. Looks worth checking out! Thanks for watching Frank!
Avid DIYer here and have quite a few of the Ryobi and find Best bang for buck I find to be regular 4ah and 2ah. The 6ah or any HP ones do not give an increase in performance to match increase in price.
Anything to do with the fact you are using both battery types in a HP drill, would it make any difference in an none HP drill?
Might be just the fact that instead of getting say 300 holes out of a normal battery, you get 400 out of a HP battery?
That drill doesn't have the extra contacts for the hp battery does it? I think only certain tools have the additional power
This is my question still... I can't seem to find the answer in any of the reviews. Pretty disappointed in Ryobi to market HP with AND without the extra connector.
Does the Drill have the extra two contacts that make it the latest drill?
This makes no sense. The higher AH batteries wont drive the device any harder, just longer.
Ryobi claims 30% more power. That’s the reason for the comparison. Thanks for watching!
please do a follow up video comparing standard battery and HP battery on brushed tools. Would like your opinion if using HP battery can get more out of the entry level tools
I think the battery just gives each tool more life, not so much power. I was using the regular batteries for the lawn mower and when I bought the higher value batteries, I only noticed that I’d have to do less charging during my lawn cutting
Maybe the benefit would show up in a test on how long a charge lasts
I agree. I have the brushed grinder an that thing kills batteries fast. Might make a good short vid. Thanks for watching!
Well Mike this video may have saved me a nickel for sure but I don’t use them enough to pay for those in my shop as much as I use mine! Thanks for another great video my friend!
Thanks for watching Michael!
Technically speaking 6Ah is supposed to last longer and does not mean it provides more power. 6Ah means, if you draw 1A from the battery it is supposed to last 6 hours. It does not mean it provides 6A instead of 2A or 4A. The amount of power (voltage x amps) that the device takes depends on the device (drill). So I’m not sure why you are expecting a larger battery to provide more torque or faster speed.
There are plenty of tests showing otherwise. TTC and PF have pretty good videos showing that the higher capacity batteries also have higher output.
I think the non-hp have different electronics in the battery to prevent it from unleashing too much. The HP batteries probably have a bit less protection, or different electronics.
They are all 18650 cells and the HP actually use cheaper versions from EVE instead of Samsung, Panasonic, etc.
I also think there's a max limit to the benefit of "HP" batteries. You might see a big benefit driving small/medium lags, but little to no benefit when the task is exceeding the ability of the tool's motor.
All this is to say the regular 4ah and HP 4ah are pretty much the same. Ultimately the HP tools themselves are significant step ups from regular Ryobi, and you can only get it with the $199 HP battery set which is well worth it imo.
The tools are probably the limiting factor. Bigger battery just goes longer.
The only reason in my mind to get the HP batteries is to get one of the premium brushless tools for free during Ryobi days. Otherwise they are not at all worth it.
Is this guy testing with a regular (not HP brushless) drill?
@robertbachelder9587 You’re exactly right man. I’ve been using Ryobi tools since the mid to late 90s and I’ve worked everything from residential to commercial which includes small home repairs to large commercial projects. From my experience and what I do the batteries are the most part because they fit in all of Ryobi tools. Make the old blue tools back to sell there on steroids lol. But for sure, I get all the batteries all the time and pick up the free tools on the way.
Ryobi guy through and through but I’m not gonna lie, when I saw the Flex tools being used on a different homebuilder channel I follow I did some research and really like what I see.
@@GoRams-WR_DB-21why? Pricing looks about the same as Milwaukee comparing batteries and tools. Much rather have an established brand with more tool selection than an unproven ??? For that kind of money.
Shoulda used three individual drills, for a more accurate telling. I figure the drill heating up would affect certain factors in the time results
The HP batteries really only shine in the larger AH or in combination with the HP tools that have the extra contacts to take advantage of the HP functionality. If the tools dont have the extra contacts then its close to a wash.
For the first couple of months this year, you could get a 2 pack of the brand new Ryobi 6AH high performance batteries for $135. Ain’t gonna hang with pro tools but that’s still a good price. Sadly that same 2 pack now costs twice as much, I should bought more of them.
I’ll save a $100 and go with the regular batteries. Not enough upgrade in performance, if any at all, to justify twice the cost. Thanks for the vid.
Thanks for watching John!
Thanks
I was looking to upgrade my 4 amp battery for a 4 amp high performance one but....
I'm not upgrading!!!
If is not broken don't fix it!!
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Why are the 4 Ah and 6 Ah batteries the same volume?
Also, what's the weight of these? I can't find the information.
So they have the HP high capacity batteries and the High Performance batteries now.... which is weird that the one called high Performance wouldn't be called the HP one. The HP one says high capacity on it while the one called High Performance doesn't have the HP on it. Maybe the high Performance one is the newest version since it is a bit more?
I have some old 2ah ryobi batteries that need replacing. Homedepot has a deal for both a 6ah high performance and a 4ah high performance battery for $99. I think think they are worth it for that price for both batteries. I'm only using these occasionally.
My test with the 6amp hr was to rotate all the tires on my car...or two cars will make the batteries run almost to a stop....I keep the p262 in my truck incase of a flat along with a tire inflator (power from the truck DC accessory).
I just purchased a ryobi cultivator/tiller which comes standard with 4AH battery. for the extra $$ would you recommend a high AH? I don't believe it's anything other than 4.0 Ah battery. since I'd be working in a garden - would I be better off to purchase a couple of the standard ones (4.0) instead of one with a higher Ah? do they all use the same charger? I'm looking for power but also for how long they go without needing a charge. the cultivator has 3 speeds.
I'm not sure why Ryobi came out with a lesser line of batteries, unless it was to compete with Amazon knockoffs.
I have have a pair of RYOBI's 3Ah HP ONE+, and they're each better than the 4Ah plane janes. The 6Ah and 8Ah Amazon knockoffs will run with them and actually last 5 to maybe 15 minutes longer, depending on the job, but I'm mostly getting away from my Ryobi brushed stuff in favor of brushless. I'm also on both Milwaukee FUEL lines/battery platforms. For the money though, I'm really looking at FLEX or SKIL. Being that they each are making jumping to another platform far more appealing with complete kits, and SKIL 2 battery platforms with better options for the tools I use the most, compared to Ryobi.
How about the cheap hp batteries from ebay? Do they work good? I've seen videos but they are very old
i dont think the amp hours should make any difference in the power output or torque. just a matter of runtime, no?
Have tons of tools that i use regularly. The 4ah and 4ah-HP batteries, you'll never really notice a difference when using. The HP looks better, but the normal one has the nice rubber trim. So get the ones that are cheaper when you need them. HOWEVER! Do NOT get the 1.5ah or 2ah black nom HP batteries, they are usually the ones thag come woth kits, and wvery single one of them (about 6) that i have had die within 2 years with very little use on them. Any time i get one now i just throw it away. Nwver had this problem with the black 4ah though, have 4 and used the absolute shit out of all of them. And ofc all my hp batteries wven the small ones are doing great. I am intested to see how the EDGE series will impact the normal and HP availability and pricing.
I don't see how there could be any real difference since they appear to be using the same battery cells in each battery. Do they somehow use "better" 18650 cells in the HP batteries? 4ah of 18650 should equal 4ah of 18650. More contacts to use the power more efficiently or more contacts to draw more power? I don't know. I would think if they were able to draw more power they would run out of charge faster. Non-HP tools aren't able to take advantage of the HP features of the battery regardless, so if someone is using the HP batteries on non-HP tools, I don't think they get any benefit at all.
Ryobi HP tool line is the brushless motor tools. Being brushless there is nothing rubbing the motor causing friction. This makes them a little more powerful and efficient. There are also different quality, capacity and discharge rates on 18650 battery and the differences between them can be drastic. For instance I forgot to mention in the vid that the HP 4 and 6 are the exact same size and only about an ounce difference in weight. I’ll probably pop a short vid taking them all apart because I’m curious which cells they used. Thanks for watching!
You need to use the hp tool with the hp battery it has 2 more prongs on the back off the battery and on the tool. It doesn't work with normal ryobi tools
My understanding from watching another review is that the HP batteries are best if you are working in a cold climate. Other than that, they offer little performance improvements.
Would be interesting to test. I would need another set of the same batteries though. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for this video.
Hope it helped. Thanks for watching!
You may get a different with a 3ah hp or a 9ah hp, but they don't make the 3 anymore, and the 9 is expensive.
I did a runtime test with the latest black 4ah battery and the hp 4ah with a fan and turns out the hp did provide that much longer. Probably only about 15 to 20 minutes. The only thing hp batteries are good for are the two tabs on the back and the tools they go for. In ryobi days I cam get 4 4ah batteries for 198$ or 3 hp batteries for 199$ and each one is smaller and smaller.
I agree. If I was a beginner and had the option I’d get 4 regular batteries with 2 free tools and 2 chargers. I’d be set with batteries for a long while. Thanks for watching!
Great video, thank you
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching!
I’m a Ryobi user myself have about 11-12 various tools, where I think the HP batteries shine are on the outdoor items, weed eater, blower , vacuum , and probably sprayer though I don’t have one to say for sure, anyway, I do notice a difference with the grinder when I use the 6Ah battery, I am very curious to get a hold of the new 8ah and 12 ah batteries and see that difference, but I do think overall the power difference will differ from tool to tool, good video man
I think I’d buy the flex what a beast.
Flex sent me that drill/driver for free for the review but if it was stolen I’d go over to Lowe’s and buy another one the next day. Im looking forward to checking out more Flex tools. Thanks for watching Bradley!
@@ProjectsForAllReviews it’s a hard one to get here in Australia and your right it is a great drill
The only thing I power with ryobi batteries are my fans and work lights. So I got 4 4ah batteries on the $99 deal.
I’ve owned the reg two batteries about 3 years and have been happy with the performance. I used one to inflate a large end loader tire. It ran Ryobi’s inflator for 30 mins if I remember correctly and had power to spare. Thanks for watching!
@@ProjectsForAllReviews I can’t believe I forgot that I also have the inflator. I used mine to blow up pool floats and to deflate them. I figured there was no sense in buying the dewalt for twice the money and I don’t use it that much so I couldn’t justify it Hearing that you blew up a loader tire makes me happy I got the one i did.
Is that an HP drill? If not, you might not get much performance increase with HP batteries.
Yeah it says HP right on it.
The 262 is more like mechanic dyi
They're less than $100 now
I prefer the poor performance batteries.
its NOT worth twice the money if you have to keep buying a new one every 2.5 years after they burn out.
Customer service wont help either. sad stuff
HP IS FOR BRUSHLESS.
I'll I can say very lame .I am very disappointed.ive had 3 batteries fail in the 1st year of ownership and brand new 6 mo brushless drill.im very disillusioned by batter powered tools over all .I need to bust out my 9 volt Makita drill .I buy a new generator with the money I save using corded tools.😂
Ryobi costs too much. It’s not lipo4….which is longer lasting.
Just a another way to get people to spend more money on something they don't need
Thanks for watching!
Test them with a chainsaw.
Ryobi scam... Maybe 🤷
I don’t think I call it a scam. Definitely a little underwhelming. You do get a third bat, 50% more Ah and a 6Ah that does outperform the others. Also you get to pick a more expensive free tool. Thanks for watching!
How often does the average guy drill a hole in a 8x8 lol.
You completely missed the point if you thought this was the takeaway from this video. He is attempting to demonstrate the difference between the various batteries. The longer the test, the easier it is to measure variance between runs. Not to mention, since he is trying to determine power differences, it would make sense to try to push the tools and batteries to their limits to see where those limits are. Drilling 1/8" holes 2" deep would not be enough to show any sort of difference between the tools or batteries.
Never been a fan of ryobi. theyll make one or two good products to get you in their eco systems and then you find out everything else is hot garbage. Oh lets not forget missing or deceptive marketing. PS, I never liked their battery technology. I cant tell the difference from ryobi or cheap Chinese knockoff batteries. I actually prefer black and decker or skill to ryobi. I bought my son a lot of Milwaukee products in their m18 lineup and none of them have disappointed. expensive and at my age I don't need them, but for him, their legacy tools he can pass on to my grandson's. I envy all that red Milwaukee branding in his shop. I hope they stop making new tools because my credit card cant take this kind of abuse...lol just bought the MILWAUKEE'S 2729-20 M18 Fuel Deep Cut Band Saw and the SWAG V4.0 Portaband Table - MADE IN USA. its for Christmas. great video, I also enjoy the knowledge. Take care.
Milwaukee has a lot of my money too! The only one that didn’t overly impress me was the Fuel 7-1/4 circ saw. That said I’m also getting to a point in my life where the crazy price tags no long makes a ton of sense. I’ve had good luck with Ryobi and been pretty happy with them for the money. I do really like everything Skil has sent and for the money I think they’re close to the best you can get for the cash. Hopefully Skil keeps expanding the lineup. Thanks for watching!
Milwaukee and Ryobi are owned by the same company, in fact a lot of Milwaukee tools come from Ryobi's R&D development team. I have Chinese knockoff batteries and Ryobi originals and I can tell the difference even when you weigh the batteries the Ryobi are a lot heaver at equal ah. Ryobi is targeted at the DIY market not the everyday contractor user and I think most of their products are well within that market.
@@DJsnowy1 Sincerely, I wish you luck, but my experience is very different from yours. Take care.
@DJsnowy1 Thanks for watching!
WAY, WAY TOO MANY FAN BOY POSTS. I have spent 35 years as a contractor, I'm retired, but most of the posts here are FANBOYISM! Really, you are being used. TRUTH!
@Projects For All
The way I understand it from Ryobi's literature on the different available battery series and tool series is that the supposed main advantage will be realized when you use their BRUSHLESS tools with the "Lithium+HP" batteries.
The "+HP" batteries have an additional built-in IC control chip that monitors the real-time performance of any of their BRUSHLESS tools. And AFAIK, the "+HP" batteries don't really have any other significant advantages if you are not using their BRUSHLESS tools. Whether or not this is actually true in Real-World performance, I do not know and have not tested.
However, your P262 Impact Driver is supposedly a BRUSHLESS tool, designated by the "ONE+" followed by "HP" on the side.
You also conducted this test with the one "regular" or standard 4AH battery that was at least 3 years old, which will no doubt have diminished performance compared to a much newer battery.
All testing between the different series of batteries should be done with NEW batteries so that each one doesn't have wildly different charge/discharge cycles.
Li-Ion batteries also degrade over time, especially if they sit for long periods uncharged or in a low state of charge, and due to overheating. They are less susceptible to "memory" effects, but not completely "memory free".
The ideal maintenance charge level for prolonged "shelf life", and to extract the largest number of healthy charge cycles for Li-Ion battery cells is around 80%...not too low, and not too high. Some laptop PCs, smartphones, and tablets have an option in the "Battery & Charging" menu to enable this 80% charge limitation.
Constant high current draw tools such as cordless vacuums and leaf blowers really tax these batteries...and, of course, your impact driver with big, long lag bolts and the circular saws.
QUESTIONS REGARDING THE DIFFERENT RYOBI BATTERIES:
My father has some Ryobi "Lithium+" 18v batteries, and then a few newer "Lithium+HP" batteries...i.e. "High Performance". But I'm curious, because his "Lithium+HP" batteries don't spell out the full "HIGH PERFORMANCE" logo anywhere on the battery...they are just labeled as "Lithium+HP" with "18V" below it.
While YOUR batteries are labelled "18V Lithium" AND also spell out "HIGH PERFORMANCE" below it. In addition, your batteries are Not labelled with the "+" after "Lithium". So does this "+" designation make any difference???
For example:
My pop's Battery says: "Lithium+HP 18V"
Your Battery says: "18V Lithium High Performance"
So is there any significance to the addition of the "+" after "Lithium"???
So confused, now, LOL.
Luckily, my own cordless tools are either Bosch 18V Core or the Makita LXT.
This makes no sense. The higher AH batteries wont drive the device any harder, just longer.
The entire point is that the HP batteries are designed to be able to deliver more current. Of course 4Ah = 4Ah regardless of what tech we are discussing, but the claim is that the HP batteries will allow more current to flow if they deem it safe to do so.
Whether the claim holds up in real-life tests or not, understanding the claim itself is super easy and there is no reason why you should struggle with that.
I have a boatload of Ryobi tools. I love them. I don't build things for money. I fix stuff around the house and I make custom desks and racks for my recording studio. Made some end tables here recently that kind of thing. I'm just a hobbyist at most but what I have figured out for the most part is that Ryobi's brushless series is awesome for what I do, and never buy anything they make that plugs in to the wall. My table saw and miter saw are both not Ryobi.
For the price and for the average person Ryobi is tough to beat. They have the largest selection of tools of any budget brand and that adds a lot of value if you ask me. Thanks for watching!
Mike I’m totally with you as I love the Ryobi Brand myself, but I guess it would depend on what free tool comes with each deal, depending on how I would go at it, the extra 100.00 dollars might be worth it for a tool I don’t have and possible could use to add to my collection. Thanks for the insight on the awesome battery comparison
I agree completely. Ryobi has this very well marketed with the way they split up the tool selections.
Mike without guys like you doing these live reviews... How many people would be taken ❓... Thanks for all you do 👍
@randywilson4529 I agree the free tool is really the deciding factor here. I do wish I could have shown a little better battery performance for the money though. Thanks for watching!
Not all tools are compatible with high performance batteries! You’ll see there are extra electrical contacts on high performance batteries, and matching contacts on compatible high performance tools! High performance batteries don’t make any difference on regular tools.
Speed one slower rpm higher torque. Speed 2 higher rpm. Lower torque.
The other thing is does the tool have the extra 2 contacts inside the tool. The HP batteries have 2 extra contacts to communicate with the tool for more power. Some HP branded tools don't have the extra 2 contacts in the tool. So battery matters not.
Thanks for watching!
Right now I can buy 2 regular 4 amp hour batteries for $79.99. I've been using these batteries for years and they've worked great for all my projects. As a homeowner, this is the biggest bang for my buck.
Seems like a clear-cut answer to me. HP Ryobi batteries not worth double the price. I'll stick to the non-HPs, thanks!
I do agree based on what I experienced in this video. Although if you were planning to get a tool that's now free with that kit it may make sense. At least you get 50% more Ah, a third battery and the 6Ah does perform a little better. Thanks for watching
It's not double the price for just the batteries. The $99 deal, you get 2 4ah batteries and the free tool options are all brushed. Where the $199 HP battery deal, the free tools offered are all brushless. So you're getting a better tool.
I've bought a few of those specials. I return the batteries and keep the tool. I got the HP vacuum for $100. I got the high end HP blower for $75.
My Ryobi 1/2” impact won’t even power on with anything less than 3ah battery.
The tool (itself) could be a bigger difference when combined with the HP batteries - nothing wrong with using any combination but the results may be a bit more if it's a HP Brushless tool with a HP battery. If you're in a situation where you really need the better performance it's probably time to upgrade to another brand though.... Keep in mind that I AM a Ryobi Fan Boy and I think that some of the HP stuff is hype and marketing. Where you can go brushless for the tool and just buy another "regular" battery with the difference in price between the HP batteries - switching batteries takes less time than waiting to charge ;-)
I have only HP tool and HP battery 3 years of hard work and no issue or problems.Don't buy regular Ryobi tools
Says the guy with a A flex stack in rhe video in the background. You people amaze me another not recommended channel
UPDATE ... None of the above ... EDGE!
Should have included a heat test ...see how much the hp heats up compared to the normal one ...heat is the enemy, cant charge a hot battery also hot batteries have a shorter life.
just got 2 6AH HP and 1 4AH HP for $150 on HD website
Use them in Other tools and come back to me. Look at the same size. You can see the 6 is always a bit faster. The difference may be the fact its consistency as well and longevity of the battery. Compact blower/Power scrubber, both like the HP batteries. Definitely gotta play with the line up. I think if you can get HP battery deals or package deals with HP batteries. Youre still better off then the regular outdated batteries.
Great Video! I purchased 3 of the $99 Battery Kits (4ah and 2ah and Charger) and got 3 free tools.
40% discount on the battery kit and an average of 40% off the tools. Very High value utility for the tools.
and apparently solid batteries with the kits. The battery kit can be returned to get $60 back.
Based upon your review I'm going to keep the battery kits.
I also picked up the $200 with free tool deals. Pairing a $200 vacuum in one kit and returning it for
$107 cash back. (high cost tool lowers the cost of the batteries)
My other deal was a lower cost tool and returned the batteries for a larger refund. (got the tool for 70% off)
The "den of tools" and the "Tool Boss" discuss the how to.
It can only be done with online purchase.. Thanks again. 😎👍
The annoying thing is Ryobi doesn't make a high capacity regular battery. They sell a bunch of fans and lights that just don't need high power but would benefit with higher capacity like a 8,19, or 12ah.
Is he using brushless or brushed I can't tell. If brushed I don't think they take advantage of hp battery
Both the drill and impact are brushless with the extra contacts to use the HP batteries. Thanks for watching!
I think some tools benefit from other batteries, but seems like this drill and impact does not. I know torque test channel has seen some tools perform better based on the battery. Some of that though I think is batteries with 18650's vs 21700's.
Thank you for doing this test, great video.
I saw the chicago electric worm drive saw at harbor freight and haven't found any reviews of it. I'm guessing most don't want to spend $130 on a skilsaw knock-off from harbor freight, but i would be interested to see if it's any good. Maybe you could get one to review
Wow! It's one thing to see graphs of torque measurements like on Torque Test Channel, but see a practical example of how much faster the Flex is than the Ryobi is really impressive.
Most part is length of run time so when you are doing a lot of work over along time the bigger batteries dobetter also I have killed a couple of the regular batteries using a brushed impact wrench, you are much less likely to do that on the hp batteries
As far as I understand it with the impact, they will all work at lower torque, but you get the full 600 ftlbs with the 6 ah hp.
It's more noticeable on the higher draw tools, rip saw and circular saw
I got 4 4hour batteries for $100, can’t beat that
@13Jrey if you looked online, you could buy 2 batteries and the free tool had a option for 2 more batteries
I could see a big difference between the 2 contact standard batteries and the HP's with the additional contacts on the back of the stem on the products that use those contacts. My newer circular saw is a very different beast when mated to the newer batteries.
Thanks for the insight Rick and thanks for watching!
Thanks for the insight Rick and thanks for watching!