In my opinion Primordial Malzeno is the highest peak of the totality of SunBreak's Combat System. His moveset and progressive aggression transforming him through different phases throughout the fight forces you to play faster and harder as the fight continues until you are eventually throwing *_everything_* you have against him and he in turn is maniacally attacking you with everything *_he's_* got which includes causing you to juggle not just his crazy moveset but also _multiple_ different systems of the game all at once INSANELY hype and intense fight🔥
Perfect description…Rise provided us as Hunters more counters and tools than any other MH game and the boss puts you thru the test. I will be clear that I don’t think that Rise is the best combat in the series but it has the most complexity. “Normal/Average ” MH hard bosses wouldn’t work in Rise bc all the tools the hunter has at their disposal.
The hardest of fights in Rise are obnoxiously so if you ask me. The end of that game has gotten so fast paced that it stops feeling like Monster Hunter and more like a generic action game. I'm glad Wilds looks to be taking a step backwards on the pace because Rise was going too far. Spiribirds are trash though and the main reason I dislike Rise. Unrelated complaining.
Let’s keep telling them that it’s still too easy. We could use some more highly challenging monsters in the future games. And a chance to see those amateur players complain about being too hard like Iceborne’s Alatreon.
the problem is, Rise is too easy because the mechanics are too easy, wirebugs and the extremely heavy reliance on parries makes MHR a pretty subpar Mon Hun game
@@cobaltbluestickman5557 yes make it so hard and let's alienate casual, drooling players, make it progress back towards stone age and make it a niche game once again, so westerners will only get a Piece of sliced pie from future monster hunter releases like it used to be
I got that thing off a random item drop during the hunt but still lost lol. I have yet to actually beat this behemoth but I got it close to death with the icon showing up under the icon lol
@@Touktouksoans Oh I see, you should try getting yourself a private server or public server and get on the game! I've done a custom quest with 5 Musou Elze with a time of more than an hour and like 999 carts and it was crazy, cart festival here and there. But I learned a lot from that. fun days.
@@Triffyrose As hard as Arrogant is I defeated him far easier than I ever did Musou Elzelion, even with prayer songs I still find myself in dire trouble with elze. Arrogant Dure melts with ranged weapons. Nearly damn free in fact (bringing MOST melee weapons to dear dear shame to an extent its baffling). I also recall Upper Shiten Disufiroa being much more manageable on ranged, which is something I would normally not expect. Also yeah Upper Disu is right behind Arrogant. Elze is just far harder.
Well from your logic, IB Fatalis and AT Velkhana also have the equal difficulty causes those monsters are careful design to have a "counter" to the strongest mechanic hunter has in the game. I think 3 of them are all hard, but no mean the hardest.
Man now I kinda wanna see AT IB Black Dragons now Alatreon just has the pre nerf Escaton Judgement while he’s at it (But then again that just implies for me that Fatalis is either gone crimson or white and Alatreon really just going ham on that avatar of the elements like idk pulling moves that Namielle does but Alatreon can just freeze up the water during the that move instead)
people bringing up fatalis are silly that fight isnt actually that hard its just punishing and requires you to play aggressively. Molton Tigrex G rank is harder imo than iceborne fatalis
had 3 tries before i beat Risen Valstrax, was a great and enjoyable fight. I had 4 tries with Primordial Malzeno and I just gave up the game lol P. Malzeno's not even close to death whenever I fail. P. Malzeno literally made me quit and stopped playing the game. It's the only monster in MHR/SB that I have not slayed to this day. i know i just need to git gud but 4 failed tries is my threshold. Planning to try again before MH Wilds comes out
Honestly for me Risen Valstrax and Risen Shagaru carted me more than i’d like to admit but nothing and i mean nothing has angered me more than getting combo’d to death over and over by Malzeno for making only one mistake while dodging.
You probably were not willing to count frontier, but if you were, I'd give you without a shadow of doubt, Musou Elzelion. The Hardest Monster in the Franchise. Ofcourse that is my opinion, but also the general consensus for the game on people who played it. I've seen some minor groups disagree.... but most of the time... they were... not the brightest tools in the shed themselves, just people who wanted to cope.
Yah. But she is that challenging also because Frontier gives you a lot of tool and power. Great to see monsters like that. The stronger and advanced the guild are, the stronger monsters we have to fence off. . . . And there is freaking Fatalis who just overpowered everything with his sheer force of destruction....
i disagree musou nargacuga is harder than musou elzelion, elze is basically his normal version but faster with bigger aoes, you are equipped to handle fast af monsters in that game (i'm not saying musou elze is easy, hello no, don't get me wrong) but musou nargacuga has malzeno teleports on crack on top of most of his attacks hitting so many times that is barely humanly possible to parry a move because you have to press the parry button with e very specific timing about 6 times in a second, with the game going at 30 fps which sometimes causes input miss at that speed
Played the euphonium in middle in high school, so probably that Also I'd probably argue that bloodbath Diablos is a harder challenge than malzeno due to the player not having as many options to counter and move around and out of the way. However, saying that Zamtrios is the hardest just because you were walled by it when you started doesn't mean that it is more difficult. There is a difference between struggling with a monster and it inherently being hard, and I think there are many good examples of it. I struggled a bunch with pink rathian in 4u, but I know from an objective standpoint that it is not as hard as something like raging brachydios, which is a monster I struggle to put down even with 1000 hours in the franchise. If you as a new hunter were given endgame gear and told to go fight alatreon(world) you probably would quit the game after a few hours of getting beaten into the dirt. I do agree that perspective matters, but there will always be a reasonable objective standpoint to approach this from. Also music while talking about phase two is a little too loud, kinda masks your voice
Props on mentioning BloodBath btw, I personally do think he is a very hard fight but I have not quite gotten back to rise to compare Primordial to him, but you are certainly right on the fact that there's not many options left with his fight, especially on the EX version, but personally I might place Boltreaver above him. Edit: I played Euphonium once upon a time too 💀
@@joe_the_zombie Mainly I was comparing the EX's. no point at all in comparing their weaker forms. but this is probably because bloodbath diablos was the only monster I fought in that game ever since I decided to finally give that fight a try, a lot less of boltreaver.
@@joe_the_zombie You're missing out, they were the most fun. Some of the deviant quests were boring. A lot of the times they focused on other monsters or multiple monsters, or capturing them, and the G1s were way too weak.
the hardest monster in the franchise is the low rank Redhelm Arzuros that you can unlock before you even realize that Bherna armor has comically low defense 💀
It really depends on your weapon match up though? Primordial Malzeno is actually fairly easy if you play the counter heavy weapons like Long Sword, Bow, and Dual Blades. Actually he's trivially easy with elemental berserk sets by making you virtually invulnerable in blue scroll. Hit stun chain locks are also fairly easy in solo with Charge Blade saed style and Great Sword tcs counters. The trick is that wire bug recovering from the first Malzeno hit will get you wombo comboed so you just stay down or wire bug diagonally away. Also none of Malzeno's attacks actually one shot from full health unlike the Risen Valstrax super beam. IMO Iceborne Fatalis is by far the hardest fight not just because of his fast mechanics.....but simply because Capcom stupidly made his MR requirement really low so unlevelled players keep joining SOS's and triple cart all the time. By the time you get the level 300 Risens everyone's rocking elemental berserk sets or long swords so deaths are rare. Mechanically tough fights I found are the bad match up monsters like hammer against monsters whose heads are too high, armored, or too wobbly. I remember Lagiacrus being a huge pain back in MH Tri because his head is wobbles alot and Plesioth in MHFU since there wasn't an upswing in hammer yet.
Lance does well against Risen Crimsonglow and Primordial. Though like any weapon, you should probably be confident with the weapon's capabilities first of course.
He's not the hardest by any stretch. The fact that he is fought in a normal map with all the special tools available for you to use already makes him easier than any very hard arena fight that in turn restricts you. You also fight him with Fiorayne which doesn't scale up his HP but gives you more damage and utility overall I beat him first try without carting. That could never happen with something like Alatreon or Fatalis
mind you, the rematches, Fiorayne ain't with you unless you put her in the hunt. But yeah he isn't that hard, I believe the Hazard versions of him and Risen Shagaru are good contenders though
I personally don't think Primordial Malzeno is insanely difficult. In fact, I've never even triple carted. He is incredibly fast and has long combos, but he has a lot of moments of downtime. Usually after his ultimate or during his final phase. For actual difficulty, he would Barely scrape into my top 20 hardest monsters, but he is undoubtedly my 3rd most difficult hunt in Sunbreak. However, the reason I'm writing this is because, Primordial Malzeno would be downright stupid to fight in a Monster Hunter game without the movement of Rise and Sunbreak. The wirebug are your only saving grace from most of his attacks, and without them, you'd simply be wombo combo'd to death constantly. Primordial Malzeno's attacks are designed to punish mishandling of your wirebug usage, and if he was put in a game without wirebugs, he would probably be one of the most difficult hunts in the series. Now, I get that Capcom would nerf Primordial just so players could properly keep up, but it would still be insanely difficult to predict his teleporting, avoid getting hit by 3 attacks in a row, and have to deal with nonstop speed and aggression for an entire final phase. Old World players and even New World players would all have a hellish time trying to keep up.
have you beaten world fatalis solo? It's way harder imo. Rise gives you so many ways to elevate the difficulty through wirefalls, silkbind attacks and followers. World fatalis have cannons and ballistae but its overall way more difficult. There's also world alatreon that gives you nothing and have a hard elemental damage check every 12 minutes.
Zamtrios has an cousin named "Tetranadon", another Amphibian that is Kappa-like. Tetranadon was my first wall before I realized to hit his belly when he goes "Sumo Mode". Other than *that one Barroth* , Narwa, and Apex Diablos, everybody was relatively easy
primodial to me gave the memory of old gen tactics, (I suck at Counter, wirebug counter cuz i am used to dodge far and don't get hit) it is reminder that no matter how improved the combat style went, (hate the debate of claw and wirebug), you still have to learn dodges and timing like a dance to grab every chance to attack
@@CALAMITY0FHYRULE easier to dodge and dies quicker, technically hits harder but you have less defense in gu + no health boost so it ends up being the same or more for gu.
rise was my first monster hunter game I played, and primo malzeno was probably the hardest thing I've ever fought in a game since I'm a casual gamer, but I loved the intricacies. Learning how to dodge his complex moveset was an exhilerating experience,
I remember when Primordial gave me a VERY hard time when I first fought him. But after getting to fight him many times and learn his movement patterns, he easily became one of my favorites in Sunbreak.
this was a crazy fun fight to master. "master." (to this day, i still can't turn my brain off and let muscle memory take over like with some monsters.) Primordial Malzeno is one of the best monsters in recent memory at truly making me feel like a hero when i beat him, which is arguably the best part of Monster Hunter, period.
I'm confused, isn't Primordial Malzeno the qurio free Malzeno? the one at the end of Rise? I believe the one we know as the "regular" Malzeno is the vampire like one with the qurio "risen" status.
Brachy’s first G rank in MH4u almost made me quit the series. I’ve still never beaten an brachydios so I hope that I get to see one in Wilds. So the improved version of me can smack it around.
There is no way u think primal is the hardest mh monster there is no justification or rationale for this. He isnt even remotely the hardest. He has alot of pressure but there are many many monsters in the franchise that are harder and apply far more pressure esp in frontier alone. And there are multiple in mainline as well
The answer is no. Play Frontier. All the hardest monsters reside there. Edit: And not just hardest MH monsters, but some of the hardest bosses in videogames, period.
To me Primezeno isnt the hardest. To me, risen valstrax will always be my bane. That thing hits like a truck despite not having multiple chained attacks like primezeno.
This question was easy when you decided to show the easiest pattern to recognize of a dying elder dragon, and the fact that risen shagaru and valstrax are also in this game, and even then they still aren't the hardest unless we're talking rise in specific.
There are actually four phases. The phase 2 you mentioned have an enraged phase where its moveset changes. But tbf if you can read the first phase, the remaining three phase are relatively easily readable too. Wouldn’t say it’s the hardest boss, tho, given sunbreak hunter is too op. Cough in Boltreaver Astalos cough cough bloodbath Diablo cough cough
Dude up until primordial malzeno came into the game, my wall was Shara Ishvalda from iceborne. It took me several weeks before I finally took it down. And monster hunter world was my debut in the monster hunter games. I got over 330 hours in there and roughly around 400+ in rise from both switch and xbox. I got close to beating primordial malzeno yesterday at least twice once he hit the final phase of the fight but most times I got carted quick.
Nergigante was my first proper wall, I actually quit World because I just wasn't good enough at the time to beat him. My friend found that the lbg was safer to use against him so he actually beat him for me. The funny thing is he didn't end up playing much Iceborne because he didn't enjoy the difficulty, whereas I kinda did. Nergigante & Ruiner ended up being two of my favourite monsters in World; both of which I ended beating with multiple weapons. Originally I would pull out the lbg if a monster was proving difficult, now I use Great Sword on everything. Recently got into Sunbreak & Primordial Malzeno definitely feels like a wall.
You see for Nergy it was the opposite, he gets utterly destroyed when he grows his white spikes and falls over when you break them. Then again i did have MH4U and MHGU under my belt when i played World so i already knew the general mindset to have when fighting a new monster. I just wish Nerg didnt fall over when you broke his Spikes cuz it can lead to stunlocking the poor guy
Re: More HP =/= difficulty I think it does, but not in the traditional sense most people will think of. There are many types of difficulty and attention calibration is one of them, something that's not overly engaging but has a tonne of HP is boring, because it's too easy whilst simultaneously requiring all your attention. However a difficult fight that also has a lot of HP, taps into a different aspect of difficulty that focuses more on your preparation (how well you design your build for the fight) and your ability to optimise exploiting the small windows you're given to get the maximum damage in, which comes from a deep understanding of your weapon and the monsters moveset beyond just reacting to the monster. It becomes more about predicting it in advance, and lining yourself up in advance. The higher HP pool forces you to get really good at this because you'll otherwise run out of time, or your attention/focus will gradually deteriorate, making you more likely to make mistakes, get complacent and punished for it. This is why the special investigation monsters (after research level 300) are so difficult.
Nah, that honor (or dishonor) goes to Iceborne Alatreon for me since his fight is pure BS. Is Primordial one of the hardest? Yes but not THE hardest. At least you can retreat from Primordial.
My first wall was brachydios. It took me so much grinding to just not *time out* on the quest. I was terrified. The only similar experiences ive had are mhworld fatalis and primordial. They nearly broke me. It was AMAZING.
I've beat everything in GU, all of World Iceborne, but I still can't beat Primordial Malzeno, at this point, I think I have to blame my controller. The stick drift is so bad that my character moves when im not even touching the controller. If I bought a new one I'd probably beat PM first try since I've memorized his moveset .
I hate this fight. I’ve been playing since Freedom Unite and beat most of the games aside from 4U and i can honestly say this fight has pissed me off the most. If you make just one mistake dodging or guarding you’re basically carting guaranteed.
P.Malzeno is the only monster that has given me any trouble so far. Had to switch to lance and patiently learn his moves and counter accordingly. Ironic how the less mobile and stoic styled weapon made Malzeno's erratic movement more manageable. For me at least.
I breezed through rise and most of sunbreak until I hit Amatsu, which is actually my favorite monster. It beat my ass so hard it took me two days before I managed to beat it once. Then i unlocked Primordial and proceeded to laugh-cry at how difficult it was. It reminded me of Elden Ring SOTE Radahn, overwhelming I bashed my head against it for three days until i finally beat it, only to hear later that youre meant to progress anomaly investigations first
Monster hunter rise was my first monster hunter game. I had….some difficulty with primal malenzo but it wasn’t so hard. But dual blades kinda counters him as being in the air makes it so you can ignore attacks for a while, and the mobility helps too
Primordial Malzeno is certainly one of the hardest monsters me and my good friend have fought so far one reason is because of that God damn teleport he can do which unlike normal Malzeno who only does that in one animation, Primordial can do it during basically any attack he feels like and he can do it back-to-back-to-back sometimes in junction with another attack or he'll teleport three times then attack in a spot you have no idea of! And since he usually teleports to the side or behind you it makes him super difficult to actually defend against...
The first major wall I hit in MH was 4U Rajang. I thought I was pretty good until I stared a Super Saiyan in the face. The fight I struggle most with now is the Ancient Leshen in world because I hate getting one hit killed and I think the fight's kinda boring.
>calls video hardest boss >isnt a special investigation risen shagaru (special investigations biggest difficulty spike is actually the sheer size of the monster making the attacks larger making you need to be pinpoint at dodging) >isnt a 140 guild quest >isnt frontier >isnt even hazard primordial malzeno which has some mixups and is bigger than normal also primordial malzeno's got 4 phases people always forget about the real phase 3 where he powers up a second time and gets access to a nuke if he stays in it for too long you can still depower em to phase 1 but if they nuke they power down to phase 2. also you say you cant rely on counters and yet here i stand my blades brandished with the power of the magala's and kushala's wind on my back, Wind mantle and frenzied bloodblust, nigh infinite couters. parry this. i've beaten a special investigation primordial malzeno before but risen shaggy when it enters hazard mode(at about 276 in anomaly investigation levels) and has 3 phases(at about 5% health they randomly add slams to its moveset) its just aaaaaaaaaaaa. but basically you can make builds for every monster different weapons work better on differet monsters, it's why i've got different elemental res builds in world it helps. its not just individual weapons individual builds change a fight as well. an example being my first sunbreak rathalos i returned to the series after a long time. pretty easily went through base rise. and as soon as i went to master rank i went to fight gore magala early in event quests for armor.., challenging but fun i treat it like killing jho or bazel early if you got the skill you earned that gear and once again the choice in armor made rathalos hurt really bad due to low fire res and rathalos became a mini wall for me dude got a glowup in sunbreak. everytime rathalos just roflstomps gore magala armor due to poor fire res. it happened in 4u for me as well. Elemental defence matters and i think to the magala armor as a reminder of this, tempered stygian zinogre hurts fatalis armor but alatreon armor is decently fine against it as another example i've personally experienced. but i can agree your first zamtrios hunt is always a hard one sucks that rise brought zamites in but not zamtrios itself dude would've been fuun. also fun fact a mr 1 person can access other people's expeditions. you can take a mr 1 person to fight primordial malzeno due to this. also you can have rajang invade someone else's investigations in world as well so you can do a little bit of cheese after i looked at mr requirements in 4u you can as soon as you get to high rank hub fight a powered up kushala on the tower. way before you are supposed to i thinks its fun a skillcheck. i've played these games too much help.
Personally, i think that Primordial malzeno is my favorite monster by design. It's fast. it's crazy, and it looks absolutely stunning. But i beat it second try and then was able to beat it consistently afterward getting the full set. Id say that for me the hardest monster is fatalis from world which took me 2 years to beat.[on and off playing but still probably around 100 attempts at least] I like watching videos like this just so i can learn how people perceive the game. Thank you for making it.
well in mainline yes BUT FRONTIERS IS ANOTHER THING i barelly were able to beat a hr5 frontier monster WHILE PRIME ZENO I BEAT ON THE FIRST TRY granted i faited once or twice BUT I STILL BEAT HIM WITHOUT FAILING A QURST
Whenever a hunter fights Prime Malzeno, treat it as a dance of swords. Tango with him and you'll survive. Eh, not sure how you would dance with P Mal when he's in his 'Risen' form cuz man's just ballin' at that point (Speaking from personal experience when fighting him for the first time, pain)
Honestly this feels like too much glazing. Half these clips you have shown are the hunter being slammed by the wing smashes from different angles that anybody with a brain that isn't filled with grey matter can figure out how to evade and punish.
This something that different from weapon to weapon since almost everyone who not play lance will say this but this fight is fun when you using lamce because i can defnd and attack at the same time. Day 1 i was wondering why everyone find this monster hard meanwhile i just spam leaping thrust The only problem is only malzeno lazer that cant be guarded somehow by guard up which can be solved just by dodge it
Fatalis and alatreon were both harder, by the simple fact that your hunter in rise is beyond broken. P malzeno is still up there, but his only difficulty is that last stage, which is mainly an issue with slower weapons like CB. Riseb shagaru magala in my opinion is slightly more difficult and also in my opinion a more fun fight (speakint as a CB main).
This boss is hard until you beat it once then bringing 2 followers like hinoa and minoto make this an easy peasy fight the healing both them do with 2 hunting horns make you pretty much invincible.
Hyper Deviljho from MHGU is my hardest fight. That pickle boi got infinite stamina and lick me to death. Forced me to change my playstyle from valor longsword to valor light bowgun.
On my first time hunting P. Malzeno...kind a medium level since I have farmed Malzeno many times and my go to weapon if there's a monster that I have not hunted yet is Dual Blade because of the Shrouded Vault...
I don’t see any world where Primordial is the hardest, you simply have too many tools to invalidate his moveset in Sunbreak. Also while his super combo is crazy at first, it’s fairly easy to dodge and he’s left open for a long ass time afterwards.
I've always thought putting a snow rajang with insane staggers, 2 shot levels of damage and good mobility in a room full of tinier rajangs as your very first urgent quest was a horrific fate to put players through with like less than 10 hours of playtime, just to.. hit low rank HR2???? 😂...so yeah, Blagonga in MHGU/MHXX as a new player to the franchise is the hardest fight to me period 😌 i might've grown up to solo bully fatalis and alatreon regularly for fun in newer games but I'll NEVER forget how younger me was forever bullied by just a mere low rank urgent quest... good times fellas 😌
My first Great Wall in monster hunter was 4U's Silver Rathalos. Still don't believe it to actually be good game design. In World I never saw the good in Lunastra. And I found Alatreaon and Fatalis difficult (like everyone) but still relatively fair. In RiseBreak I HATED vanilla magnamalo. Its movements were completely nonsensical to me (why is it flying?), and I always found Teostra to be too much in that game. But strangely I never really sweated too hard with primordial. Probably because lance can deal with it quite well. Probably also because I always found Malzeno quite endearing anyway. But also when it's the big bad... the final encounter... I expected it to be a lot.
well im MR 80 with the best gear possible and around 850 base armor and i tryed him today for the first time and lets say it non of my 4 trys did go longer than 5 min because everything is nearly oneshotting me and i have no cluse how tf i can even do this, like tf i did Velkhana, MR C-Valsrax and Amatsu solo first try but this fucker... i dont know
Genuinely, while I think Primordial Malzeno is ridiculously cool, I don't think he's very hard. Although he does have a 16 hit combo, the combo is extremely predictable becauese it never changes. Ever. At all. Same with other combos of his. He exists in set combos, and he really can't leave them. The only attack I get caught out by is the teleport wing-charge, which is hard to i-frame if you don't know where he's coming from. Also, it's extremely fast, but the followup tail stab is quite easy when using the wirefall i-frames. Based on your gameplay, you're not dodging Primordial Malzeno's attacks right (mostly from how you don't deal with the diving wing chop), and I don't think you're actively trying to memorize or recognize his attack patterns. You seem too caught up in the fact that "he's immune to CC, and has a long combo coming", and haven't thought about "how do I efficiently not get hit, and still weave in hits safely." You should be trying to find ways to dodge his attacks without superman diving, and usually, it's from rolling in one specific direction, which honestly I think is an excellent thing P.Mal has, since normally, you have a lot of rolling freedom. He's squishy and has good hitzones all over the front, so it's you do more damage to it than it does to you. The hardest fight in Sunbreak I found was Risen Shagaru. Even discounting his ridiculous power, he also guards his head, moves around, and doesn't really let you CC him either. He also has lots of "jab" attacks that aren't too hard to dodge, but they're punishing because they allow him to follow up. He also ironically has some terribly long combos.
Ok, I hear your opinion but... no! Primordial Malzeno is the hardest Monster in Rise: Sunbreak, but do to the combat system of Rise: Sunbreak the fight is nowhere near as challenging as you make us believe. You are right about the variety and the personal influence of what actually feels the hardest, but Rise/Sunbreak combatsystem (even when its fun) took a lot if not all challenge out of the game. I started the Series with World, then Iceborn then rise and sunbreak and its pretty simple: Every monster version is harder to fight in world then in Rise and the bosses dont even compare. Hazard Primordial Malzeno and Risen Shigaru are the only 2 bosses even worth mentioning when it comes to difficulty. And it all comes down to the insanly overtuned combatsystem of Rise and the lack of actual skillchecks in the fights. Wirebugs and Counters make basically every fight in Rise trivial as long as you are a somewhat decent player. If you want to you can cheese every fight in Rise/Sunbreak with some weapon, yes that needs weaponknowledge of every weapon in theory but in reality you only need 3: Longsword, Lance, Bow. If you are decent with those 3 you can make insanely OP builds with very very low playerskill input and win. Are the fights still hard? Yes they are, especially for the first 10 times. Are the Monsters the hardest in the series? No, not even close. Alatreon, Fatalis, Archtempered Nergigante, Archtempered Velkana are all harder than Primordial Malzeno. If you would put Primordial Malzeno into World/Iceborn of heall yeah he would be the hardest boss by far, but he is Rise/Sunbreak. Get Guard 10, Constitution, Guardup and Quicksheath, Pick up the lance and of you go. Will it be fast? no. Will it work within 3-4 tries as a casual player? 99%yes. I know i sound harsh, but its just that the weapon mecanic in Rise is just so out of balance, that its not even funny. I mean I won vs Hazard Primordial Malzeno on my second try when I came back to the game because he got realeased. All I had to do is Sakura slash into sheath and hit. The rest was running or counter. And before anyone says:" But you could cheese fatalis with smokebombs, that made the fight also trivial", fight him now and try it... There is a reason why capcom fixed that. Abusing a buggy mecanic that is not supposed to be there doesnt count. Otherwise perma Riding would count in Rise too and then you arent even fighting the monster yourself
Primal Malz doesn’t hold a candle to fatalis or even Alatreon Even if we ignore that IB fatalis combos you out easily in maxed defense (i.e. full upgraded, def 7, fire res 3) and Primordial Malz becomes a pushover with better set (e.g. his own) - Primal malz is rough, but he’s not IB fatalis rough Maybe IB Rajang tier - Still not easy (unlike a first area monster like Zamtrios) but nowhere near the worst (esp if you bother to slot dragon res and defense)
Even if I manage to avoid carting the entire hunt (which is rare), successfully killing primordial malzeno feels more like luck than skill. I hunt primarily online and there always someone that gets caught in one of primordial's Nova's. And he has like 3. Risen valstrax is easier than primordial malzeno. And that's insane because risen valstrax fells like you tried to challenge Goku himself
AT Velkhana is the hardest still imo, AT Velkhana cannot be cheesed so easily since even with maxed out Guard, it takes more than half your HP. Also given the fact that World's mechanics weren't meant to be as fast paced as Rise/Sunbreak it makes the fight even more difficult. This fight took me only 2 tries to beat compared to AT Velkhana which took over 10
Primordial Malzeno is not even top 10 hardest fights, its true most people over rely on switch skills and wirebugs to fight on sunbreak, hence many people lose crucial skills due to this, iceborne fatalis, iceborne arch tempered velkhana, apex rajang, apex deviljho, bloddbath diablos, molten tigrex, abyssal lagiacrus, the lists goes on
I have played every monster Hunter game that came out and monster Hunter rides is kind of the hardest console game because of the monsters tracking when the monsters is about to attack you they are going to attack you so get the hell out the way
"HP is not a test of skill" my brother in Christ, do you realise what the EX deviants are? - they are a test of consistency. If one mistake doesn't get you carted, then 2 will. Primordial isn't even the hardesr monster in Rise imo, Risen Strax or Shaggy meet that criteria.
damn it, so my hardest monster is GYPCEROS? i refuse that! lol but i would argue that Primordial, IB Fatalis and AT Velk is around the same level in term of difficulty depend on weapon match up
I recently made the point that Primordial Malzeno is harder than Fatalis and got a little bit of push back. At his core Fatalis has a very simple move set, while punishing, once you learn openings he becomes a lot easier. Add in his incredibly high hp pool and attack damage and I think that for most players hes more of a war of attrition than a mechanicaly tricky fight. Primordial Malzeno however is incredibly complex and leaves little to no breathing room, of course in Rise you also have more tools to deal with that complexity but I personally feel that this is part of learning curve and adds to the difficulty. Just my opinion I suppose, difficulty will always be greatly subjective. Great video mate! :)
Indeed, the fatalis moveset is so limited and people tend to forget fatalis just hit hardand nothing more. Don't get me wrong, fatalis is also a big challnge but for different reasons
My issue with this logic is that a monster is at its hardest when u are first attempting to defeat it and master it. Players do this all the time every subsequent time u fight it, it becomes easier u cant speak of difficulty from that space its not valid. THE VAST majority of the mh player base COULD NOT defeat fatalis on release for a long time in a group MUCH LESS solo him. Top players struggled for the first few hours on his release. You guys forget about this stuff. Once players started to figure out how to beat him which that charge was lead by the most skilled players in the player base then ppl started winning and started saying he was easy no no no thats not how that works lol. Malzeno was NOT causing such strife on release. To say he is harder than Icebourne fatty because u are now super familiar with his moveset is disingenuine at best. How u handled the monster on your first meeting and fighting it is a far better measure of difficulty. Some monsters are so challenging they REQUIRE u know their moveset in order to stand a chance at winning many frontier monsters are like that so the gap between initial & mastery is much smaller in order to win. U do not need to have mastery over primals moveset to win or even close. Its hardest form can be baited and waited and u get a big opening to dish out dmg once exhuasted. Move set complexity is not the only aspect of difficulty either, how hard they hit, how quick they are, the time limit allowed etc all these parameters define a hunt and its difficulty
For me, Primezeno isn't the hardest since I beat him in first fight. Hazard Primezeno on the otherhand.... I would say Alatreon... But the only thing that's hard in Alatreon is his elemental dmg check and supernova Fatalis is also hard, but the hard part on him is his insane damage, other than that, his moveset are mostly telegraph
Hardest fight goes to leshen. The single most annoying monster in any game I've played made all the worse by it not even being a real monster, cause its from a crossover. My desire to not torture myself rapidly outweighed my desire to get the annoying alert off of my screen every time I booted up the game.
Mine is Violin, that is why I felt almost abducted by Lindsey Stirling when I discovered "Shadows" on YT. BTW I not only did pause, I needed to rewind and slowly forward pause ni 2 attempts.
The hardest boss is actually the plesioth deviant namely Leg Day Plesioth
Uuuuuuuu that fucking Plesioth still gives me nightmares, like Cinthya from Pokemon or The Flood in the library, OMFG
Peak MH boss
Fun fact: plesioth is apperently safi’jiva sized… largest not elder dragon comfirmed!
My friends: suffering against P. Malzeno
Me with my lance: *tink* *tink* *tink* *tink*
Lance vs Big lance
Try gun lance pal
@@kannonlewis4183 nah, you thought one giant shield was enough for my lust of immortality?
@@apersoninaplace6331 we GL’s fly faster then Valstrax and can turn a magnamalo asunder. Yes my fellow hunter
Lancers and Gunlancers laughing as everyone else's suffering
In my opinion Primordial Malzeno is the highest peak of the totality of SunBreak's Combat System.
His moveset and progressive aggression transforming him through different phases throughout the fight forces you to play faster and harder as the fight continues until you are eventually throwing *_everything_* you have against him and he in turn is maniacally attacking you with everything *_he's_* got which includes causing you to juggle not just his crazy moveset but also _multiple_ different systems of the game all at once
INSANELY hype and intense fight🔥
Perfect description…Rise provided us as Hunters more counters and tools than any other MH game and the boss puts you thru the test. I will be clear that I don’t think that Rise is the best combat in the series but it has the most complexity. “Normal/Average ” MH hard bosses wouldn’t work in Rise bc all the tools the hunter has at their disposal.
@@BookkeeperGaming well said
The hardest of fights in Rise are obnoxiously so if you ask me. The end of that game has gotten so fast paced that it stops feeling like Monster Hunter and more like a generic action game.
I'm glad Wilds looks to be taking a step backwards on the pace because Rise was going too far.
Spiribirds are trash though and the main reason I dislike Rise. Unrelated complaining.
Dev saw the comment Rise is too easy and just say FUCK IT WE BALL *Added Primo Mal
Let’s keep telling them that it’s still too easy. We could use some more highly challenging monsters in the future games.
And a chance to see those amateur players complain about being too hard like Iceborne’s Alatreon.
the problem is, Rise is too easy because the mechanics are too easy, wirebugs and the extremely heavy reliance on parries makes MHR a pretty subpar Mon Hun game
@@cobaltbluestickman5557 yes make it so hard and let's alienate casual, drooling players, make it progress back towards stone age and make it a niche game once again, so westerners will only get a Piece of sliced pie from future monster hunter releases like it used to be
@@gigahertz7352 Hell yeah!
As a lancer still too ez
Flexing the Primordial Bloodstone on the ground while also having the third phase transformation haha nice!
I got that thing off a random item drop during the hunt but still lost lol. I have yet to actually beat this behemoth but I got it close to death with the icon showing up under the icon lol
*Laugh in Monster Hunter Frontier ZZ*
Hello, fellow man of culture.
@@utsugixragon9999 Sadly, I didn't even played it, but I know it has many of the hardest fights in the series
@@Touktouksoans Oh I see, you should try getting yourself a private server or public server and get on the game! I've done a custom quest with 5 Musou Elze with a time of more than an hour and like 999 carts and it was crazy, cart festival here and there. But I learned a lot from that. fun days.
@@Touktouksoanswould you like to?
I just wish Hunting Horn wasn't gen 2 in that game. What weapon would you tell a Hunting Horn main to play.
Musou Eruzerion in Frontier is the hardest monster in the franchise. This isn't even a question or debate.
Yeah you can hear the general population of Magnet Spike users screaming as we speak.
That alongside Arrogant Duremudira. Both are painstakingly hard.
@@Triffyrose As hard as Arrogant is I defeated him far easier than I ever did Musou Elzelion, even with prayer songs I still find myself in dire trouble with elze.
Arrogant Dure melts with ranged weapons. Nearly damn free in fact (bringing MOST melee weapons to dear dear shame to an extent its baffling).
I also recall Upper Shiten Disufiroa being much more manageable on ranged, which is something I would normally not expect.
Also yeah Upper Disu is right behind Arrogant.
Elze is just far harder.
Truth be told, Frontier is exempt from usual MH difficulty standards.
pretty sure he is just talking about the mainseries
Well from your logic, IB Fatalis and AT Velkhana also have the equal difficulty causes those monsters are careful design to have a "counter" to the strongest mechanic hunter has in the game. I think 3 of them are all hard, but no mean the hardest.
IB Fatalis is such a mechanic check its crazy, AT Velkhana as well was challenging 🫡
@@azukimindauki the fact that both of them are not that flashy but rather grounded and simple are the best.
@@minhtruongnhat9986 oh 100% cause you spend most of world/ib fighting these fantasical monsters and then plop, just a dragon, goodluck 👍
Man now I kinda wanna see AT IB Black Dragons now Alatreon just has the pre nerf Escaton Judgement while he’s at it (But then again that just implies for me that Fatalis is either gone crimson or white and Alatreon really just going ham on that avatar of the elements like idk pulling moves that Namielle does but Alatreon can just freeze up the water during the that move instead)
@@Albert_Lecter03 monsters and game of IB are too good we dont want it to end ya
people bringing up fatalis are silly that fight isnt actually that hard its just punishing and requires you to play aggressively. Molton Tigrex G rank is harder imo than iceborne fatalis
As much as I wanted to agree with this, I still think that Risen Valstrax still poses the most struggle.
i kinda agree, the hardest i think not, but the most surprising and the most awesome fight in sunbreak. i will agree on that
had 3 tries before i beat Risen Valstrax, was a great and enjoyable fight. I had 4 tries with Primordial Malzeno and I just gave up the game lol P. Malzeno's not even close to death whenever I fail. P. Malzeno literally made me quit and stopped playing the game. It's the only monster in MHR/SB that I have not slayed to this day. i know i just need to git gud but 4 failed tries is my threshold. Planning to try again before MH Wilds comes out
Honestly for me Risen Valstrax and Risen Shagaru carted me more than i’d like to admit but nothing and i mean nothing has angered me more than getting combo’d to death over and over by Malzeno for making only one mistake while dodging.
You probably were not willing to count frontier, but if you were, I'd give you without a shadow of doubt, Musou Elzelion. The Hardest Monster in the Franchise. Ofcourse that is my opinion, but also the general consensus for the game on people who played it. I've seen some minor groups disagree.... but most of the time... they were... not the brightest tools in the shed themselves, just people who wanted to cope.
Yeah, I also pointed this out. Musou Eruzerion is the hardest by far. No contest.
@@EliteWizzerd946 I swear, I go to bed with his combo's at the back of my mind, scared that they're the monster under my bed.
Yah. But she is that challenging also because Frontier gives you a lot of tool and power.
Great to see monsters like that. The stronger and advanced the guild are, the stronger monsters we have to fence off.
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And there is freaking Fatalis who just overpowered everything with his sheer force of destruction....
i disagree
musou nargacuga is harder than musou elzelion, elze is basically his normal version but faster with bigger aoes, you are equipped to handle fast af monsters in that game (i'm not saying musou elze is easy, hello no, don't get me wrong)
but musou nargacuga has malzeno teleports on crack on top of most of his attacks hitting so many times that is barely humanly possible to parry a move because you have to press the parry button with e very specific timing about 6 times in a second, with the game going at 30 fps which sometimes causes input miss at that speed
@@robertomacetti7069 You're joking right? This has to be bait lmao.
Honestly, I don’t find Primordial to be the hardest monster in Sunbreak. Risen Valstrax and Shagaru KO my teammates more often.
Played the euphonium in middle in high school, so probably that
Also I'd probably argue that bloodbath Diablos is a harder challenge than malzeno due to the player not having as many options to counter and move around and out of the way. However, saying that Zamtrios is the hardest just because you were walled by it when you started doesn't mean that it is more difficult. There is a difference between struggling with a monster and it inherently being hard, and I think there are many good examples of it. I struggled a bunch with pink rathian in 4u, but I know from an objective standpoint that it is not as hard as something like raging brachydios, which is a monster I struggle to put down even with 1000 hours in the franchise. If you as a new hunter were given endgame gear and told to go fight alatreon(world) you probably would quit the game after a few hours of getting beaten into the dirt. I do agree that perspective matters, but there will always be a reasonable objective standpoint to approach this from.
Also music while talking about phase two is a little too loud, kinda masks your voice
Props on mentioning BloodBath btw, I personally do think he is a very hard fight but I have not quite gotten back to rise to compare Primordial to him, but you are certainly right on the fact that there's not many options left with his fight, especially on the EX version, but personally I might place Boltreaver above him.
Edit: I played Euphonium once upon a time too 💀
@@utsugixragon9999 gu Astalos is a fight that I've nearly mastered, so boltreaver(at least his early ones) was kind of a bit of a pushover
@@joe_the_zombie Mainly I was comparing the EX's. no point at all in comparing their weaker forms. but this is probably because bloodbath diablos was the only monster I fought in that game ever since I decided to finally give that fight a try, a lot less of boltreaver.
@@utsugixragon9999 I haven't fought either ex , so I just compared their regular g rank iterations
@@joe_the_zombie You're missing out, they were the most fun. Some of the deviant quests were boring. A lot of the times they focused on other monsters or multiple monsters, or capturing them, and the G1s were way too weak.
the hardest monster in the franchise is the low rank Redhelm Arzuros that you can unlock before you even realize that Bherna armor has comically low defense 💀
It really depends on your weapon match up though? Primordial Malzeno is actually fairly easy if you play the counter heavy weapons like Long Sword, Bow, and Dual Blades. Actually he's trivially easy with elemental berserk sets by making you virtually invulnerable in blue scroll. Hit stun chain locks are also fairly easy in solo with Charge Blade saed style and Great Sword tcs counters. The trick is that wire bug recovering from the first Malzeno hit will get you wombo comboed so you just stay down or wire bug diagonally away. Also none of Malzeno's attacks actually one shot from full health unlike the Risen Valstrax super beam.
IMO Iceborne Fatalis is by far the hardest fight not just because of his fast mechanics.....but simply because Capcom stupidly made his MR requirement really low so unlevelled players keep joining SOS's and triple cart all the time. By the time you get the level 300 Risens everyone's rocking elemental berserk sets or long swords so deaths are rare.
Mechanically tough fights I found are the bad match up monsters like hammer against monsters whose heads are too high, armored, or too wobbly. I remember Lagiacrus being a huge pain back in MH Tri because his head is wobbles alot and Plesioth in MHFU since there wasn't an upswing in hammer yet.
long sword is the easy in monster hunter so it's not surprising, same with dual baldes
Lance does well against Risen Crimsonglow and Primordial. Though like any weapon, you should probably be confident with the weapon's capabilities first of course.
True, I can solo Primo Multiple times but still carts on Alatreon Multiplayer
I feel like double level 140 apex rajang in 4u to me was a harder hunt especially solo.
He's not the hardest by any stretch. The fact that he is fought in a normal map with all the special tools available for you to use already makes him easier than any very hard arena fight that in turn restricts you. You also fight him with Fiorayne which doesn't scale up his HP but gives you more damage and utility overall
I beat him first try without carting. That could never happen with something like Alatreon or Fatalis
mind you, the rematches, Fiorayne ain't with you unless you put her in the hunt.
But yeah he isn't that hard, I believe the Hazard versions of him and Risen Shagaru are good contenders though
The hardest one was Yian Kut-ku on MH Freedom ;-;
So nobody isnt talking about Risen Shagaru Magala
I personally don't think Primordial Malzeno is insanely difficult. In fact, I've never even triple carted. He is incredibly fast and has long combos, but he has a lot of moments of downtime. Usually after his ultimate or during his final phase.
For actual difficulty, he would Barely scrape into my top 20 hardest monsters, but he is undoubtedly my 3rd most difficult hunt in Sunbreak.
However, the reason I'm writing this is because, Primordial Malzeno would be downright stupid to fight in a Monster Hunter game without the movement of Rise and Sunbreak. The wirebug are your only saving grace from most of his attacks, and without them, you'd simply be wombo combo'd to death constantly. Primordial Malzeno's attacks are designed to punish mishandling of your wirebug usage, and if he was put in a game without wirebugs, he would probably be one of the most difficult hunts in the series.
Now, I get that Capcom would nerf Primordial just so players could properly keep up, but it would still be insanely difficult to predict his teleporting, avoid getting hit by 3 attacks in a row, and have to deal with nonstop speed and aggression for an entire final phase.
Old World players and even New World players would all have a hellish time trying to keep up.
have you beaten world fatalis solo?
It's way harder imo.
Rise gives you so many ways to elevate the difficulty through wirefalls, silkbind attacks and followers. World fatalis have cannons and ballistae but its overall way more difficult.
There's also world alatreon that gives you nothing and have a hard elemental damage check every 12 minutes.
Mentally deficient fivers man. Did you even watch the video?
For me the wall was tigrex from freedom united...
Zamtrios has an cousin named "Tetranadon", another Amphibian that is Kappa-like. Tetranadon was my first wall before I realized to hit his belly when he goes "Sumo Mode". Other than *that one Barroth* , Narwa, and Apex Diablos, everybody was relatively easy
primodial to me gave the memory of old gen tactics, (I suck at Counter, wirebug counter cuz i am used to dodge far and don't get hit)
it is reminder that no matter how improved the combat style went, (hate the debate of claw and wirebug), you still have to learn dodges and timing like a dance
to grab every chance to attack
its called bloodblight, not bloodlust. Bloodlust is a shagaru magala thing, he makes players self inflict frenzy through the bloodluat skill on armor
"hardest boss in monster hunter" when mhgu event alatreon.
EX bloodbath diablos
Wasn't worlds ala way wayyy harder and faster than any other.
@@CALAMITY0FHYRULE easier to dodge and dies quicker, technically hits harder but you have less defense in gu + no health boost so it ends up being the same or more for gu.
okay but TRI alatreon
rise was my first monster hunter game I played, and primo malzeno was probably the hardest thing I've ever fought in a game since I'm a casual gamer, but I loved the intricacies. Learning how to dodge his complex moveset was an exhilerating experience,
I remember when Primordial gave me a VERY hard time when I first fought him. But after getting to fight him many times and learn his movement patterns, he easily became one of my favorites in Sunbreak.
this was a crazy fun fight to master. "master." (to this day, i still can't turn my brain off and let muscle memory take over like with some monsters.) Primordial Malzeno is one of the best monsters in recent memory at truly making me feel like a hero when i beat him, which is arguably the best part of Monster Hunter, period.
I'm confused, isn't Primordial Malzeno the qurio free Malzeno? the one at the end of Rise? I believe the one we know as the "regular" Malzeno is the vampire like one with the qurio "risen" status.
my favorite instrument is the bass
Brachy’s first G rank in MH4u almost made me quit the series. I’ve still never beaten an brachydios so I hope that I get to see one in Wilds. So the improved version of me can smack it around.
There is no way u think primal is the hardest mh monster there is no justification or rationale for this. He isnt even remotely the hardest. He has alot of pressure but there are many many monsters in the franchise that are harder and apply far more pressure esp in frontier alone. And there are multiple in mainline as well
please actually watch the video before commenting 👍
The answer is no.
Play Frontier.
All the hardest monsters reside there.
Edit: And not just hardest MH monsters, but some of the hardest bosses in videogames, period.
To me Primezeno isnt the hardest. To me, risen valstrax will always be my bane. That thing hits like a truck despite not having multiple chained attacks like primezeno.
bloodbath is my most hardest monster I've ever faced, especially when reaching the EX quest
Primordial is hard.... but alatrion took me way longer to beat
All the comments about Frontier Z make me wanna play it but I have no idea how
This question was easy when you decided to show the easiest pattern to recognize of a dying elder dragon, and the fact that risen shagaru and valstrax are also in this game, and even then they still aren't the hardest unless we're talking rise in specific.
We all know the hardest boss is bullfango stop lying smh.
Still nothing compared to duremudira or eruzerion variant
White Nargacuga from Frontier Z: cute
There are actually four phases. The phase 2 you mentioned have an enraged phase where its moveset changes. But tbf if you can read the first phase, the remaining three phase are relatively easily readable too. Wouldn’t say it’s the hardest boss, tho, given sunbreak hunter is too op. Cough in Boltreaver Astalos cough cough bloodbath Diablo cough cough
Dude up until primordial malzeno came into the game, my wall was Shara Ishvalda from iceborne. It took me several weeks before I finally took it down. And monster hunter world was my debut in the monster hunter games. I got over 330 hours in there and roughly around 400+ in rise from both switch and xbox. I got close to beating primordial malzeno yesterday at least twice once he hit the final phase of the fight but most times I got carted quick.
Nergigante was my first proper wall, I actually quit World because I just wasn't good enough at the time to beat him. My friend found that the lbg was safer to use against him so he actually beat him for me. The funny thing is he didn't end up playing much Iceborne because he didn't enjoy the difficulty, whereas I kinda did. Nergigante & Ruiner ended up being two of my favourite monsters in World; both of which I ended beating with multiple weapons. Originally I would pull out the lbg if a monster was proving difficult, now I use Great Sword on everything. Recently got into Sunbreak & Primordial Malzeno definitely feels like a wall.
You see for Nergy it was the opposite, he gets utterly destroyed when he grows his white spikes and falls over when you break them. Then again i did have MH4U and MHGU under my belt when i played World so i already knew the general mindset to have when fighting a new monster. I just wish Nerg didnt fall over when you broke his Spikes cuz it can lead to stunlocking the poor guy
Fatalis is the hardest. It’s still common to fail that hunt as a group in MHW. Honestly you fail it more than you pass it💀
The biggest enemy is your own skill
Re: More HP =/= difficulty
I think it does, but not in the traditional sense most people will think of.
There are many types of difficulty and attention calibration is one of them, something that's not overly engaging but has a tonne of HP is boring, because it's too easy whilst simultaneously requiring all your attention.
However a difficult fight that also has a lot of HP, taps into a different aspect of difficulty that focuses more on your preparation (how well you design your build for the fight) and your ability to optimise exploiting the small windows you're given to get the maximum damage in, which comes from a deep understanding of your weapon and the monsters moveset beyond just reacting to the monster. It becomes more about predicting it in advance, and lining yourself up in advance. The higher HP pool forces you to get really good at this because you'll otherwise run out of time, or your attention/focus will gradually deteriorate, making you more likely to make mistakes, get complacent and punished for it.
This is why the special investigation monsters (after research level 300) are so difficult.
This is the best monsters for Longsword 😂
Burning freezing Elzelion wants to know your location
Laughs in Iceborn Fatalis and Alatreon and all Frontier endgame
Alatreon is way easier than malzeno 😂
Alatreon and Fatalis are easy. It would be more correct that they are poorly designed fights 😂
@@sephatu6521 same could be said about Malzeno AND the wirebugs
@@Drakromdemonah yes hiding behind wall for the scripted flamenovas are fun 😂
@@Drakromdemon hahahaha Malzeno poorly designed fight? Either you are just a world fanboy or never played rise, maybe both.
So my hardest monster was Lagiacrus :3
Risen val and risen shaggy is hard to be honest
My favorite instruments the guitar :)
Nah, that honor (or dishonor) goes to Iceborne Alatreon for me since his fight is pure BS. Is Primordial one of the hardest? Yes but not THE hardest. At least you can retreat from Primordial.
i eat primordial malzeno for breakfast. but plesioth still gives me nightmares.
My first wall was brachydios. It took me so much grinding to just not *time out* on the quest. I was terrified.
The only similar experiences ive had are mhworld fatalis and primordial. They nearly broke me. It was AMAZING.
I've beat everything in GU, all of World Iceborne, but I still can't beat Primordial Malzeno, at this point, I think I have to blame my controller. The stick drift is so bad that my character moves when im not even touching the controller. If I bought a new one I'd probably beat PM first try since I've memorized his moveset .
I hate this fight. I’ve been playing since Freedom Unite and beat most of the games aside from 4U and i can honestly say this fight has pissed me off the most. If you make just one mistake dodging or guarding you’re basically carting guaranteed.
I like the piano too, but I kind of fell in love with the Cello after seeing what some people can do with it
P.Malzeno is the only monster that has given me any trouble so far. Had to switch to lance and patiently learn his moves and counter accordingly.
Ironic how the less mobile and stoic styled weapon made Malzeno's erratic movement more manageable. For me at least.
I breezed through rise and most of sunbreak until I hit Amatsu, which is actually my favorite monster. It beat my ass so hard it took me two days before I managed to beat it once.
Then i unlocked Primordial and proceeded to laugh-cry at how difficult it was. It reminded me of Elden Ring SOTE Radahn, overwhelming
I bashed my head against it for three days until i finally beat it, only to hear later that youre meant to progress anomaly investigations first
Monster hunter rise was my first monster hunter game. I had….some difficulty with primal malenzo but it wasn’t so hard. But dual blades kinda counters him as being in the air makes it so you can ignore attacks for a while, and the mobility helps too
Primordial Malzeno is certainly one of the hardest monsters me and my good friend have fought so far one reason is because of that God damn teleport he can do which unlike normal Malzeno who only does that in one animation, Primordial can do it during basically any attack he feels like and he can do it back-to-back-to-back sometimes in junction with another attack or he'll teleport three times then attack in a spot you have no idea of! And since he usually teleports to the side or behind you it makes him super difficult to actually defend against...
The first major wall I hit in MH was 4U Rajang. I thought I was pretty good until I stared a Super Saiyan in the face. The fight I struggle most with now is the Ancient Leshen in world because I hate getting one hit killed and I think the fight's kinda boring.
>calls video hardest boss
>isnt a special investigation risen shagaru (special investigations biggest difficulty spike is actually the sheer size of the monster making the attacks larger making you need to be pinpoint at dodging)
>isnt a 140 guild quest
>isnt frontier
>isnt even hazard primordial malzeno which has some mixups and is bigger than normal
also primordial malzeno's got 4 phases people always forget about the real phase 3 where he powers up a second time and gets access to a nuke if he stays in it for too long you can still depower em to phase 1 but if they nuke they power down to phase 2.
also you say you cant rely on counters and yet here i stand my blades brandished with the power of the magala's and kushala's wind on my back, Wind mantle and frenzied bloodblust, nigh infinite couters. parry this. i've beaten a special investigation primordial malzeno before but risen shaggy when it enters hazard mode(at about 276 in anomaly investigation levels) and has 3 phases(at about 5% health they randomly add slams to its moveset) its just aaaaaaaaaaaa. but basically you can make builds for every monster different weapons work better on differet monsters, it's why i've got different elemental res builds in world it helps.
its not just individual weapons individual builds change a fight as well. an example being my first sunbreak rathalos i returned to the series after a long time. pretty easily went through base rise.
and as soon as i went to master rank i went to fight gore magala early in event quests for armor.., challenging but fun i treat it like killing jho or bazel early if you got the skill you earned that gear and once again the choice in armor made rathalos hurt really bad due to low fire res and rathalos became a mini wall for me dude got a glowup in sunbreak. everytime rathalos just roflstomps gore magala armor due to poor fire res. it happened in 4u for me as well. Elemental defence matters and i think to the magala armor as a reminder of this, tempered stygian zinogre hurts fatalis armor but alatreon armor is decently fine against it as another example i've personally experienced.
but i can agree your first zamtrios hunt is always a hard one sucks that rise brought zamites in but not zamtrios itself dude would've been fuun.
also fun fact a mr 1 person can access other people's expeditions. you can take a mr 1 person to fight primordial malzeno due to this.
also you can have rajang invade someone else's investigations in world as well
so you can do a little bit of cheese after i looked at mr requirements
in 4u you can as soon as you get to high rank hub fight a powered up kushala on the tower. way before you are supposed to
i thinks its fun a skillcheck. i've played these games too much help.
Dont tell him about Frontier Z
Personally, i think that Primordial malzeno is my favorite monster by design. It's fast. it's crazy, and it looks absolutely stunning.
But i beat it second try and then was able to beat it consistently afterward getting the full set.
Id say that for me the hardest monster is fatalis from world which took me 2 years to beat.[on and off playing but still probably around 100 attempts at least]
I like watching videos like this just so i can learn how people perceive the game. Thank you for making it.
well in mainline yes
BUT FRONTIERS IS ANOTHER THING
i barelly were able to beat a hr5 frontier monster
WHILE PRIME ZENO I BEAT ON THE FIRST TRY
granted i faited once or twice BUT I STILL BEAT HIM WITHOUT FAILING A QURST
Whenever a hunter fights Prime Malzeno, treat it as a dance of swords. Tango with him and you'll survive. Eh, not sure how you would dance with P Mal when he's in his 'Risen' form cuz man's just ballin' at that point (Speaking from personal experience when fighting him for the first time, pain)
Honestly this feels like too much glazing. Half these clips you have shown are the hunter being slammed by the wing smashes from different angles that anybody with a brain that isn't filled with grey matter can figure out how to evade and punish.
This something that different from weapon to weapon since almost everyone who not play lance will say this but this fight is fun when you using lamce because i can defnd and attack at the same time. Day 1 i was wondering why everyone find this monster hard meanwhile i just spam leaping thrust
The only problem is only malzeno lazer that cant be guarded somehow by guard up which can be solved just by dodge it
Fatalis and alatreon were both harder, by the simple fact that your hunter in rise is beyond broken. P malzeno is still up there, but his only difficulty is that last stage, which is mainly an issue with slower weapons like CB. Riseb shagaru magala in my opinion is slightly more difficult and also in my opinion a more fun fight (speakint as a CB main).
This boss is hard until you beat it once then bringing 2 followers like hinoa and minoto make this an easy peasy fight the healing both them do with 2 hunting horns make you pretty much invincible.
Hyper Deviljho from MHGU is my hardest fight. That pickle boi got infinite stamina and lick me to death. Forced me to change my playstyle from valor longsword to valor light bowgun.
On my first time hunting P. Malzeno...kind a medium level since I have farmed Malzeno many times and my go to weapon if there's a monster that I have not hunted yet is Dual Blade because of the Shrouded Vault...
I don’t see any world where Primordial is the hardest, you simply have too many tools to invalidate his moveset in Sunbreak. Also while his super combo is crazy at first, it’s fairly easy to dodge and he’s left open for a long ass time afterwards.
All the Lance and Gunlance user out there smirking at our suffering, and then you have the samurai who farmed that thing.
I've always thought putting a snow rajang with insane staggers, 2 shot levels of damage and good mobility in a room full of tinier rajangs as your very first urgent quest was a horrific fate to put players through with like less than 10 hours of playtime, just to.. hit low rank HR2???? 😂...so yeah, Blagonga in MHGU/MHXX as a new player to the franchise is the hardest fight to me period 😌
i might've grown up to solo bully fatalis and alatreon regularly for fun in newer games but I'll NEVER forget how younger me was forever bullied by just a mere low rank urgent quest... good times fellas 😌
My first Great Wall in monster hunter was 4U's Silver Rathalos. Still don't believe it to actually be good game design. In World I never saw the good in Lunastra. And I found Alatreaon and Fatalis difficult (like everyone) but still relatively fair. In RiseBreak I HATED vanilla magnamalo. Its movements were completely nonsensical to me (why is it flying?), and I always found Teostra to be too much in that game. But strangely I never really sweated too hard with primordial. Probably because lance can deal with it quite well. Probably also because I always found Malzeno quite endearing anyway. But also when it's the big bad... the final encounter... I expected it to be a lot.
well im MR 80 with the best gear possible and around 850 base armor and i tryed him today for the first time and lets say it non of my 4 trys did go longer than 5 min because everything is nearly oneshotting me and i have no cluse how tf i can even do this, like tf i did Velkhana, MR C-Valsrax and Amatsu solo first try but this fucker... i dont know
Genuinely, while I think Primordial Malzeno is ridiculously cool, I don't think he's very hard.
Although he does have a 16 hit combo, the combo is extremely predictable becauese it never changes. Ever. At all. Same with other combos of his. He exists in set combos, and he really can't leave them.
The only attack I get caught out by is the teleport wing-charge, which is hard to i-frame if you don't know where he's coming from. Also, it's extremely fast, but the followup tail stab is quite easy when using the wirefall i-frames.
Based on your gameplay, you're not dodging Primordial Malzeno's attacks right (mostly from how you don't deal with the diving wing chop), and I don't think you're actively trying to memorize or recognize his attack patterns.
You seem too caught up in the fact that "he's immune to CC, and has a long combo coming", and haven't thought about "how do I efficiently not get hit, and still weave in hits safely."
You should be trying to find ways to dodge his attacks without superman diving, and usually, it's from rolling in one specific direction, which honestly I think is an excellent thing P.Mal has, since normally, you have a lot of rolling freedom.
He's squishy and has good hitzones all over the front, so it's you do more damage to it than it does to you.
The hardest fight in Sunbreak I found was Risen Shagaru. Even discounting his ridiculous power, he also guards his head, moves around, and doesn't really let you CC him either.
He also has lots of "jab" attacks that aren't too hard to dodge, but they're punishing because they allow him to follow up. He also ironically has some terribly long combos.
Ok, I hear your opinion but... no! Primordial Malzeno is the hardest Monster in Rise: Sunbreak, but do to the combat system of Rise: Sunbreak the fight is nowhere near as challenging as you make us believe. You are right about the variety and the personal influence of what actually feels the hardest, but Rise/Sunbreak combatsystem (even when its fun) took a lot if not all challenge out of the game.
I started the Series with World, then Iceborn then rise and sunbreak and its pretty simple: Every monster version is harder to fight in world then in Rise and the bosses dont even compare. Hazard Primordial Malzeno and Risen Shigaru are the only 2 bosses even worth mentioning when it comes to difficulty. And it all comes down to the insanly overtuned combatsystem of Rise and the lack of actual skillchecks in the fights. Wirebugs and Counters make basically every fight in Rise trivial as long as you are a somewhat decent player. If you want to you can cheese every fight in Rise/Sunbreak with some weapon, yes that needs weaponknowledge of every weapon in theory but in reality you only need 3: Longsword, Lance, Bow. If you are decent with those 3 you can make insanely OP builds with very very low playerskill input and win. Are the fights still hard? Yes they are, especially for the first 10 times. Are the Monsters the hardest in the series? No, not even close. Alatreon, Fatalis, Archtempered Nergigante, Archtempered Velkana are all harder than Primordial Malzeno. If you would put Primordial Malzeno into World/Iceborn of heall yeah he would be the hardest boss by far, but he is Rise/Sunbreak. Get Guard 10, Constitution, Guardup and Quicksheath, Pick up the lance and of you go. Will it be fast? no. Will it work within 3-4 tries as a casual player? 99%yes.
I know i sound harsh, but its just that the weapon mecanic in Rise is just so out of balance, that its not even funny. I mean I won vs Hazard Primordial Malzeno on my second try when I came back to the game because he got realeased. All I had to do is Sakura slash into sheath and hit. The rest was running or counter.
And before anyone says:" But you could cheese fatalis with smokebombs, that made the fight also trivial", fight him now and try it... There is a reason why capcom fixed that. Abusing a buggy mecanic that is not supposed to be there doesnt count. Otherwise perma Riding would count in Rise too and then you arent even fighting the monster yourself
I'm gonna say it, redirection is one of the most underrated skills in this game, this is one of the fights in which it shines the most
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Primal Malz doesn’t hold a candle to fatalis or even Alatreon
Even if we ignore that IB fatalis combos you out easily in maxed defense (i.e. full upgraded, def 7, fire res 3) and Primordial Malz becomes a pushover with better set (e.g. his own) - Primal malz is rough, but he’s not IB fatalis rough
Maybe IB Rajang tier - Still not easy (unlike a first area monster like Zamtrios) but nowhere near the worst (esp if you bother to slot dragon res and defense)
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Even if I manage to avoid carting the entire hunt (which is rare), successfully killing primordial malzeno feels more like luck than skill. I hunt primarily online and there always someone that gets caught in one of primordial's Nova's. And he has like 3. Risen valstrax is easier than primordial malzeno. And that's insane because risen valstrax fells like you tried to challenge Goku himself
As a longsword user primordial malzeno is easy I actually hate CG Valstrax and Gala Magala
AT Velkhana is the hardest still imo, AT Velkhana cannot be cheesed so easily since even with maxed out Guard, it takes more than half your HP. Also given the fact that World's mechanics weren't meant to be as fast paced as Rise/Sunbreak it makes the fight even more difficult. This fight took me only 2 tries to beat compared to AT Velkhana which took over 10
5:27 but you can fully rely on quick sheathe, it’s the only thing that matters
Primordial Malzeno is not even top 10 hardest fights, its true most people over rely on switch skills and wirebugs to fight on sunbreak, hence many people lose crucial skills due to this, iceborne fatalis, iceborne arch tempered velkhana, apex rajang, apex deviljho, bloddbath diablos, molten tigrex, abyssal lagiacrus, the lists goes on
I have played every monster Hunter game that came out and monster Hunter rides is kind of the hardest console game because of the monsters tracking when the monsters is about to attack you they are going to attack you so get the hell out the way
"HP is not a test of skill" my brother in Christ, do you realise what the EX deviants are? - they are a test of consistency. If one mistake doesn't get you carted, then 2 will.
Primordial isn't even the hardesr monster in Rise imo, Risen Strax or Shaggy meet that criteria.
damn it, so my hardest monster is GYPCEROS? i refuse that! lol
but i would argue that Primordial, IB Fatalis and AT Velk is around the same level in term of difficulty depend on weapon match up
I recently made the point that Primordial Malzeno is harder than Fatalis and got a little bit of push back.
At his core Fatalis has a very simple move set, while punishing, once you learn openings he becomes a lot easier. Add in his incredibly high hp pool and attack damage and I think that for most players hes more of a war of attrition than a mechanicaly tricky fight. Primordial Malzeno however is incredibly complex and leaves little to no breathing room, of course in Rise you also have more tools to deal with that complexity but I personally feel that this is part of learning curve and adds to the difficulty.
Just my opinion I suppose, difficulty will always be greatly subjective. Great video mate! :)
Indeed, the fatalis moveset is so limited and people tend to forget fatalis just hit hardand nothing more. Don't get me wrong, fatalis is also a big challnge but for different reasons
My issue with this logic is that a monster is at its hardest when u are first attempting to defeat it and master it. Players do this all the time every subsequent time u fight it, it becomes easier u cant speak of difficulty from that space its not valid. THE VAST majority of the mh player base COULD NOT defeat fatalis on release for a long time in a group MUCH LESS solo him.
Top players struggled for the first few hours on his release. You guys forget about this stuff.
Once players started to figure out how to beat him which that charge was lead by the most skilled players in the player base then ppl started winning and started saying he was easy no no no thats not how that works lol.
Malzeno was NOT causing such strife on release. To say he is harder than Icebourne fatty because u are now super familiar with his moveset is disingenuine at best.
How u handled the monster on your first meeting and fighting it is a far better measure of difficulty. Some monsters are so challenging they REQUIRE u know their moveset in order to stand a chance at winning many frontier monsters are like that so the gap between initial & mastery is much smaller in order to win. U do not need to have mastery over primals moveset to win or even close. Its hardest form can be baited and waited and u get a big opening to dish out dmg once exhuasted.
Move set complexity is not the only aspect of difficulty either, how hard they hit, how quick they are, the time limit allowed etc all these parameters define a hunt and its difficulty
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For me, Primezeno isn't the hardest since I beat him in first fight. Hazard Primezeno on the otherhand....
I would say Alatreon... But the only thing that's hard in Alatreon is his elemental dmg check and supernova
Fatalis is also hard, but the hard part on him is his insane damage, other than that, his moveset are mostly telegraph
Hardest fight goes to leshen. The single most annoying monster in any game I've played made all the worse by it not even being a real monster, cause its from a crossover.
My desire to not torture myself rapidly outweighed my desire to get the annoying alert off of my screen every time I booted up the game.
Mine is Violin, that is why I felt almost abducted by Lindsey Stirling when I discovered "Shadows" on YT. BTW I not only did pause, I needed to rewind and slowly forward pause ni 2 attempts.