How Indian Makes 43% More Power than Harley-Davidson
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2020
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Metallurgy? Keto diet? Liquid cooling? Red Bull? What’s the secret behind Indian's huge power advantage over Harley-Davidson?
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I once heard Harley Davidson described as the most efficient way to convert fuel into noise without the side effect of horsepower.
😂😂😂😂😂
It's true 😁
Power is dangerous and most of the people buying Harleys haven't ridden a motorcycle in 26 years so it's really for the best.
@@aluisious hahaha shit man that just made me laugh out loud because it’s actually so true.
🤣🤣🤣
My wife's on an Indian Scout. I asked the salesman why it didn't have a gas gauge to which he replied "Indian is trying to keep the bike nostalgic." I was met with a blank stare when I asked "then why does it have a USB port and LED lights?"
❤😂
"Thats our 'have your cake and eat it, too' package!"
Edit - But seriously, that's a nice bike. Have any problems with it?
Usb port is pretty hidden isn’t it? I’d still take the led light 😂. I do like the look of the speedometer on mine.
Don't worry, I asked the same thing for my sportster. The dealer told me that I'd know when I'm out of gas. Not even 1 month into owning it I got stranded. I learned up on my riding habits and the fuel mileage and from then on, it was never an issue.
Moral of the story, It's probably the test of temperament that combats convenience. Dealerships also seem to think so too since that's how it's always been.
I top my Scout off every 100 miles or so. I have pushed my top off to 130 and still have just under half gallon in the tank when I do. Use the trip meter.
As I have always said, Harley is 119 years of tradition, unhampered by progress.
Weird comment after Harley released a new liquid cooled engine that outperforms Polaris' offering across the entire rev range by a significant margin with similar displacement (~10HP at most ranges, only narrowing between 7500-8000RPM) for the Sportster S vs FTR S.
@@caffynated552 This is the first I'm hearing of this, but I do want to say that if they've just released it, then we'll have to wait to see how well it sells, & consequentially, how long they continue to produce it. It certainly wouldn't be the first time Harley released a brilliant, innovative new machine only for it to flop at market because their target audience won't touch anything new, & younger riders are hung up on Harley's own bad reputation.
@@SeraphimCramer I would assume the Pan-America (motorcyle of the year 2021) and Sportster S (they have stopped production of the normal Sportster line) are here to stay. We'll see about the Nightster as it wasn't as well received.
@@caffynated552 welcome to the 1990's vmax would like a word with you.
The Porche- designed V- Rod V4 was the best engine HD stopped making..
I always loved the way the scout looked, but this review teaching me about how it worked was the biggest driver behind me wanting a scout more than anything and ultimately buying one. Its been a super enjoyable ride
Would you consider it a reliable bike?
@@AntonioMartinez-kg3zmthat's a damn good question right there.
@@AntonioMartinez-kg3zm I bought it with 6k miles and I've put about 5k miles on it since and it hasn't had any problems
@AntonioMartinez-kg3zm I have a two year old scout 60 with 30,000 miles on it and I ride it hard. So far just regular maintenance and tires.
But as the video said, it sucks because it's too low
The problem that people have with Harley is not that they are trying to sell last century tech but that they are trying to sell last century tech for next generation tech price...
And there's the problem with the fan club that goes with them. 55 year old dentists dressed like pirates with a faux badass attitude.
Agree man ...definitely not a working persons bike any more , you need to be cashed up
@@lena19191 Not to sound pompous but I could afford one (the normal one's, not the 40k extra man glitter edition), but no way I'm joining the HD cosplay club. Indian, yeah maybe. I'm not a cruiser fan usually but that Springfield is beautiful.
@@rslover65 I love that description so much.
Thats exactly the problem and they dont get it, they keep saying the same thing its like a classic muscle car, NO IT ISNT, because its being produced in 2020, if the OG Mustang was still being produced, it wouldnt cost 40 grand... its cheap technology, iconic but cheap
I still can't believe I'm not paying for this.
Hilario Javier Hernández jiménez I know! It’s better than 90% of the shit I see on TV..
The amount of work they put in their videos is incredible. It's evident on the likes to dislike ratio, currently 400 likes and 0 dislikes.
Don't give them ideas
Exactly. Amazing 👏
@@Ganesh_Wadhwa 2100 to 8 now
It was nice to see the FTR so casually not mentioned as the bike of revelation! Neat touch!
I think he's also done a FTR video.🙂
This video, this production quality is amazing. Besides of great content, genius explanations it’s just great picture. Well done!
Except that weird frame rate at the start, where the audio is out of sync
@@Daniel-vu4qu its intentional, at 3:03 the same happens but reversed where the video is sped up but the talking kept at normal speed, its genius im still stunned
This
Whoever your editor is, needs an award
Aneesh Shivanekar
It's award enough that people gush over every video, every time. This is 2021, seems everything in the USA demands a trophy, even for participating. Meh. It cheapens the actual folk who actually accomplish miles above everyone else. There will always be inequality; to believe otherwise demands everyone slump to the lowest common denominator. That would be lame. The overachievers make life better for everyone else.
@@lifted_above I understood what you were saying at first but then you went on a whole tangent he did a really good job give him credit
@@lifted_above dude it’s not that deep, lmao you didn’t need to provide a whole paragraph of your view on the world
@@italkgory99 And you certainly didn't need to laugh, take the time to attempt to silence opinion on the internet. You're only making yourself look like a fool using your own freedom to stop someone else's freedom.
That Slo-mo lip sync tho!!...
ഇവിടെയും വന്നോ 😨😅
.ശരിയാ, ഞാനും അത് ശ്രദ്ധിച്ചു, പിന്നെ fast paced lip sync um.
@@nithulnath9331 haha njan pandu muthale F9 subscriber aanu😄
Write the script, record the script, speed script to 200%, shoot 60fps, lip sync to sped up script, slow down in post. Damn, this moto youtuber is using music video technique under our very noses. Talk about production quality!
@@dictionaryofwords1108 .. Thanks for detailing that process, mate. That could be useful
@@ArunPradeepMusic Nice. അപ്പോൾ moto enthusiast ആണ് അല്ലെ 🤝🤝
This is the best explanation of the benefits and downsides of undersquare vs oversquare ive ever seen. Ive always loved indian for their willingness to do what Harley refuses to because "tradition"
Harley is simply doin what its buyers want, thats all. They brought out the v rod, wasn't exactly a huge success and I predict the same for these new liquid cooled sportsters. Harley brought a great performer in the 2009-12 (usa production years) XR1200, it handled, it stopped and had plenty of power. Harley guys hated em lol
@@billwilliamson9842Those Harley guys are really stupid!
Where is Indians adventure bike
I'm a huge Indian motorcycle fan actually. Love em! Will own one soon.
Did u buy one?
We have three. 16 Scout 60, a ‘17 Roadmaster Icon and a ‘22 Super Chief Limited 116. Love em
I’ve got a Scout Twenty. I’d definitely recommend getting an Indian!!! Lots of fun and beautiful bikes. I get a lot of lean and knee down out of it.
@@hectichive889 I’m amazing by how good my scout handles. I swear it handles better then some sport bikes
I ended up with a BSM Scout Rogue a couple months ago. Excellent bike, even better with some upgrades though.
I don't even have my motorcycle license let alone own a bike and I've watched almost every one of your videos. That shows how good they are. If you can captivate someone who doesn't even know how to ride a motorcycle to watch all your helmet reviews, then its got to be good.
Motorcycle license? In my country(Philippines) we only have drivers license that will allow you to drive either a car, motorcyle or a truck
Same, buddy. Same.
@@jbarral6509 you can opt out to have both a car and a motorbike license man, I'll do that in the near future after I finish college
Same. This quality of content is *chefs kiss* 👌
You should definitely change that and learn to ride a motorcycle
This is how u make a better comercial than 99% of all firms that spend bilions of dollars
You are right.
@@Pokkarix ua-cam.com/video/XnBBT87eAhI/v-deo.html :)
My thoughts exactly
@@o1e4a That’s funny 🤣👍
So glad you mentioned Victory in your presentation! My first serious bike was a Victory and I'll never let go of it. On the flip side, I never actually recognized Harley Davidson's nostalgia factor until I started riding. As I discovered the rider subculture for myself, I noticed real quick that everyone riding a relatively older Harley had something I didn't despite their idiosyncrasies. I just couldn't quite identify or articulate what it was...
I think that this isn't right. You get this feeling with every Chopper or Bobber. Doesn't care which brand. HD is just WAAAAY to overpriced for nothin,
first $20 word to come to mind is 'panache' [pah NASH, noun, flamboyant confidence of style or manner]. harley riders' mentation: 'we cool, baby !!!'
Huh?
Ive always wanted a Harley since I was little, I'm 45 and I still want at least 1. Started riding in 2012, on an xv250 (absolute ripper of a little bike, I still missi it), 2014 I bought my first big bike, I got my harley... except its japanese. I've even had 2 HD riders think it was one. My Yamaharley Bolt is absolutely perfect for me.
That nostalgia factor you were looking for is called being lame
I’ve never owned a street bike before, I saw this video for the first time about 7 months ago. Just got my 2022 scout bobber. I fell in love and I bought my bike because of this video.
i got one too last year. i love it haha. sadly havnt rode in a couple months due to cold weather but it’s getting warmer
These production values makes 43% more power than most Hollywood films. #tooSlickForUA-cam.
Absolutely agree. Incredible editing and effects with some original tricks thrown in too!
had my jaw open all the time... its so refreshing seeing someone being a master at his art.
And that’s something to be proud of.
that did make me laugh 😂😂
Continually impressed by the production quality.
That reverse play is *insain!* bio...
Apart from the bad dubbing over himself.
Indeed!
Say this every time this guy and his team could easily have there own show on /Netflix /amazon
@@iamthemobey that was done on purpose
That transition with the overlay of the old Scout over the new Scout was clean.
Like your username! 😂
I’ve watched this video so many times. It never ceases to impress. The sheer intelligence and clarity of vision, shared by all the team at fortnine is a sight to behold!
This is ART!
No, THIS is ART.
@@artrendon6101 No, This IS art.
@@artrendon6101 Wait, YOU are art too! :O
This is Earth!!! Now stfu😂
Deidara?
HD "Nostalgia pushes back on Ability"
- Ryan 2020
Great stuff as usual, please make one for the FTR 1200s
That's where we need a compromise. I believe we'll find one. Yamaha and especially Kawasaki are well on their way. Although Kawasaki thinks people who want a sexy looking cafe racer also want detuned performance. Big mistake. I'll wait.
I think a big factor for the increased horsepower of an oversquare engine, (or, for that matter, using more cylinders) was missed. The bigger the bore, the more area you have for valves. The more area you have for valves, the more air you can take in. The more air you can take in, the more fuel you can burn. The more fuel you can burn, the more power you can get out of your engine.
So, after a few years of no motorcycle ownership, I retired and jumped back in. I initially started riding Yamaha twins in the 1970s - the kick ass and take names performance bikes of the time. Since then I've owned Yamaha inline triples, Honda inline twins, inline V-twins, Goldwing 4 pots and 6 pots, and landed recently, after retirement, with an Indian Scout 69. What a great machine. But, I had never owned a Harley anything. The noise and vibration just seemed to be nothing I would want. But, a few weeks ago I found a 2007 Harley Fatboy with low miles and a good sound, so I added it to the stable. After a few weeks of ownership I can now say I get it. Regardless of HP, the torque of this 96 C.I. motor is intoxicating. The Scout is fun 90% of the time. The Fatboy is more fun than than that. If you've never tried a Harley . . . you should.
not how an engine works, the discplacment is equal meaning each revolution at given rpm both bring in that amount of air. the main reason indian makes more power is from head design and flow. its all in the heads.
@@Joebauers2505 By same amount, do you mean same mass or same volume?
@@AndrewUnruh it would be "volume" of air pulled into the cylinders per revolution.Each full revolution of a given cc/ci engine displaces that amount or air so a harley 96ci/1584cc engine will displace or pull in and exhaust out 96ci/1584cc of air per complete revolution and as rpm increases the fast and more air that be moved its harleys biggest downfall is lack of head design as with most Dohc or Sohc simpler for better more efficient air flow. concept is same principle for auto engines as well.
also this all changes once you use a alt fuel/ nitro, meth, eth. or move towards boost because at that point you forcing more air into the combustion chamber than what it is designed for effectively increasing the dynamic compression ratio.
Just found this channel and I'm impressed by both the content and the production values. Keep it up!
The fact that you changed the FPS between “slow” and “fast” for the difference between engines then and engines now, really shows how much attention to detail and creativity you have...you really deserve a tv deal Ryan
No TV going backwards he has his own channel on the Internet, Uncontrolled , for now anyway 😎👍
You know this is a company and he is just the shows host right I mean he may have created it but I dont think he owns it
@@nuno.g.pereira I mean...he goes all the way back to the beginning does he not? There may be a silent partner or something but id imagine he’s got a controlling stake and/or creative lead...I highly doubt this is like revzilla or something
@@nuno.g.pereira the "show's host"... Just so you know it's only him and one other person (Aneesh) that make these. They have limited budget but free reign creatively.
What is this... T... V... you speak of?
The question should be, "Why does EVERYONE produce more power than Harley Davidson?"
'Cuz performance doesn't matter when you're less interested in motorcycles, than belonging to some 'Tribe' and owning a lifestyle _'fashion accessory'._
@@matonmongo Extra man gay motorbikes, only at HD.
@@alanwatts8239 Cue "Macho Man", by the Village People...
Reliability.
@@chopperking007 LOL Harley's and reliable, mate they are competing and honda here
Man you always nail the way you mix story telling with technical explanations. Aneesh is the man to add the feather in your visual hat. keep up the amazing work. Loving your videos.
Watching this again for the umpteenth time and I'm still blown away. Concept, scripting, filmography... all mesmerisingly good. This kind of execution doesn't happen without serious effort, expertise and time expenditure. Thanks for putting it up for the whole world to enjoy.
That soundtrack thought... In fact this whole video. Honestly, is a work of art. This Channel deserves way more subscribers.
Facts. Every time I watch a video, I think that at least once.
agreed, amazing job
I would pay for this
I was just thinking that if these guys got one or two more really good hosts on board they could 100% be the top gear of bikes. They have the writing, cinematography, genuine passion for bikes, and a great host to tie it all together.
Was thinking the same. I can’t imagine the effort and number of hours it took to put this together. Excellent job!
I have to second all the other comments here, that this channel is in a class of its own. I watch a lot of stuff on this platform. A lot of really high quality stuff. And this channel, for many reasons, always feels like the best content I've ever seen. The commentary, humor, cinematography, editing, subject matter, etc are always incredible. I appreciate all the work that goes into this. And as many have said, it's hard to believe that I can watch this for free.
As of the time of this post, there are 13k ups and 62 downvotes. There's gotta be SOME reason for the discrepancy!
Agreed
Plot Twist: Watches Fortnite UA-camrs. Just kidding.
Google is selling your eyeballs to its advertisers. So it's not free.
@@joshbobst1629 This is true, nothing is free.
Dude! Your video quality has improved so much! Great job!
Just bought a 2018 Scout Bobber. Love the bike so far. Plenty of power, for me at least, and the accessories are not a limited as I first thought. You just have to look a little hardened to find them. The only diwn side is the the engine oil is 15w60 which is harder to find locally.
Just buy the oil online and do it yourself right?
As a Mechanical Engineer myself .. this guy explans way better than my professors .
For really detailed, excellent technical information presented in a clear way, check out Kevin Cameron's books and articles. His cycle world articles are really excellent, worth checking out, especially some of the articles on suspension dynamics.
@@zrobotics sure i will check it out
Hey there, Miss Mechanical Engineer - you meant 'way' not 'why'. Are you that sloppy professionally?
Same...guy needs to teach.
@@markfox1545 thanks for the correction , it was an autocorrect mistake .
Christopher Nolan just called He wants you in the next TENET
For a better script :D
? TENET next the in you wants He called just Nolan Christopher mean You
TO whom do you refer to? Naheesh or Ryan?
@@mr.osuniverse9780 yes
Djaafar Naimi
except he'd already called before the first tenet came out
Your videos have amazing production value. Keep up the great work!
The quality of your videos never ceases to amaze me. Well done
The finest example of educated content, without bias or shock value.
FACTS!
They are comparing two totally different bikes. My SOFTAIL makes 50% more torque at half the revs. The bobber is much more comparable to a SOFTAIL in size and overall layout.
100 ... agree!
They compared harleys smallest bike lol. Compare the street bob to the scout bobber and Harley shits on it lmao. This is the definition of persuasion and bias
@@drewlansing8520 No the Scout is more comparable in price and size to a Sportster, my Scout was $11,500 what does a Softail start at? lol
This film is sonicly, visually, informatively satisfying. Says a lot about passion when TV corps cant throw enough money to make something better than this.
Yea this is what discovery Channel or. Something should be
Nah. They're too busy securing their big payoff from the deep state, broadcasting propaganda.
@@vlc-cosplayer but what about marketing? regardless of whether or not companies want more profit or less they still have to market their products. If they want sales then decent marketing is key. Manufacturers should not look at videos like these as "art", as you so very crudely put it, rather they should see them as effective marketing (look at the view count) and invest accordingly.
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALES IN THE SKYYYYYYYYYYY
Great! Very professional content. Informative, entertaining, relevant, well scripted, and wonderfully filmed. Reminds me of old Top Gear films.
Writing, delivery and cinematography are all pristine. Love this channel.
You are just on another level.
You have the ability to combine technical concepts with lightness, to bring in each video your humour and your original way of presenting your ideas, making us know the history of motorcycling and the present of this world.
All seasoned with a wonderful mise-en-scene with Hollywodiane shooting and editing.
It is seriously strange to think that all this is free.
I'd never even considered long stroke and air cooling being a match made in Heaven in an engine for the reasons he outlined. Not that I'd really thought about either, but that's not the point.
Perfectly summed up
I think that he's Einstein's grandson out of wedlock. is there anything that this cat doesn't know about motorcycles?
@@jupiteral8217 Is not much about knowledge, what he says is pretty much basic stuff for a college student, even if I recognize that on youtube would appear like a PhD level, is the ability to trow those basics, who are 10 times above the average level here, with such nonchalance and humour who amaze me, you need originality, ideas, to trow that things in such an easy way.
yeah what you said ,lol
Harley-Davidson: Converts gasoline into noise without the unwanted byproduct of horsepower.
Horsepower? What, do you have some place to be? Pfft.
Nothing worse than fumbling a 20 year old joke.
at least someone else understood the main scope of owning an hd !
@ do it on the daily. knowing how to work on and having the tools for modern powertrains is quite nice.
@@jasons4950 You carry a scanner, throttle pos. sensor, map sensor, O2 sensor, knock sensor, coolant temp sensor, oil press, sensor etc. and an extra ECM with you on long trips? My brother's bike cracked a temp sensor and smoked the computer, no fixing that on a roadside at night. I like all bikes, I inherited my dad's Aspencade, it's great but if it breaks down it's going home in a truck. My throttle cable craps out on my bike, and I can use a boot lace if need be, try that with ride by wire throttle. I can walk into most auto parts stores and get what I need for a fix, the only thing you'll get for a new bike in there is oil.
I saw that "slight of hand" trick at the end. The video was so well done. Ryan knocked it out of the park again.
Ryan’s vids are the best out there. Science w feeling. Well done 🇨🇦
Why can't all engineering education be delivered this well! Thanks Ryan.
By a book.I tried and it work.👍
@@luciliopereira4453 🤦♂️
Incomplete and biased? Please, no. He took out of the equation the weight and other factors. The Scout could yield 23% more power at 8300 rpm, not 43%.
I started watching this video but my Road King slapped my laptop to the floor and screamed "stop looking at her". Scout is very tempting.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I believe it. Road Kings are the jealous type.
Test rode one at bike week. It was like riding butter. So smooth. Made my Sportster feel big and clunky afterwards
They still don't sound like a Harley
rub my duck
harley currently don’t sound like harley
This was a great short film! And informative. Well done.
Very informative great production and easy to follow subscribed and looking forward to watching yas grow
Harley in the early 2010s: "Get rid of Buell and Vrod no one wants to buy a torquey sportbike and a fast cruiser"
Harley in 2020: "If only we had someone who knew how to build a torquey sportbike or a fast cruiser"
Hilarous.
Biggest mistake Harley did was killing Buell. It gave them a line that they could sink R&D in. And make modern, fun bikes. They didn't understand that attracting different buyers = MORE BUYERS.
@@leftcoaster67 it’s unfortunate really. I have a Buell and love it. I think they were truly ahead of their time. I’m still saying it to this day if they came out with the exact same bikes today they’d sell great
Buell was a flop because it tops out at 112mph and is horrible to work on...
No one wanted them... because for a sportbike you need to go faster... and lose the weight... H-D failed to deliver, so the product went no where..
V-rods are awesome and would sell, if they didn't scare the hell out of 3/4 of the H-D buyers who are old men that couldn't handle them...
Like the same guy that keeps telling me to slow down on my SV650 coming down the road, when I am doing the speed limit... and I am older than he is...
He don't know what a bike is capable of, he's only had a H-D couch, and anything else he is terrified of... and because I wear full gear and tinted visor, he probably thinks I'm some kid and he's trying too be my dad... His H-D is always in his shed when I go by every day, putting 20,000 kms a season, and it's always there when I return at night...
Some people like to sit, shine and admire, my enjoyment comes from carving turns and seeing the country.
@@vtwinner what buell (XB and newer) topped out at 112? And the XB series wasn’t a proper sport bike per day (though the fire bolt was more simply because the riding position) but a naked. Which is what a lot of people want and like now a days. The buells pre 2003 I’m not really referring to as they were just too old.
This was absolutely brilliant...as usual.
I stil can't believe that I found your harley video on reddit, watched through the whole channel (more than once over) to getting my license this week.
Thank you Ryan and Aneesh
Welcome to the team! Always practice and wear the gear. AKA ATGATT
Primary reason for over square is to avoid excessive piston speed. The piston doesn’t outrun the combustion. It outruns the oilly good lubrication. It also gets knock on effects like more space for valves and less force on the crank from moving the piston so fast.
That comes at the expensive of low speed breathability, smoothness and secondary forces but most of all a combustion chamber which we want to be round.
The more surface touching the combustion those more area to lose heat through, the more difficult to get good mixing etc.
I appreciate your explanation of engine works and physics about it.thanks for that
"If it ain't leaking oil, it's out of oil!" LOL
Translated = If it ain't leaking oil, it ain't a Harley (said every old Harley owner, dead or alive that I've had the pleasure of knowing)
If there’s no oil under it, there’s no oil in it.
Harleys, like dogs, mark their territory.
So it's like proper english bikes, then?
That hasn't been the case in about 40 years.
the amount of work that has been put into this video is honestly Hollywood level
Great Video, Amazing Cinematography!
Great content, good execution, very engaging, keep up the great work
Dude... let me just say this: your filming, slchosing location for the shots, editing and voice is just fucking awesome man...
Congratulations... sincerely the best channel in this perspective by far...😊👌
As much as I like Ryan and his style, lets not forget to thank the creative production geniuses behind this channel lads. Edit : His name is Aneesh and he does it all solo! WUT!
I could definitely see them making a proper documentary movie.
Having worked in front of a camera, making my mouth seem to move at regular speed, when filming at both slowmotion and superlapse, I can not adequately stress how difficult it is to make it look like it's normal speed. Well done!
(also, the penis jokes were a head above the others)
@kcotte59 Yes, and if you're speeding up the motion, then the speakers mouth needs to move very slow.
hehe I see what you did there...
You said head, huh huh
Great video, keep up the good work.
Brilliantly done video!!!! Outstanding job. Learned a lot.
It feels like cheating being able to watch a video of this quality for free on UA-cam. Hands down the best motorcycling channel out there (anyone who disagrees can fight me!). Kudos to Ryan and the team behind these videos, especially to Aneesh Shivanekar for the impressive shots and edits.
TINSTAAFL. We have to watch the ads. We're the product.
Your attention is the price. You could be solving the problems of the world.
Yeah! Why is the production quality so high for motocyling? I'm not even that interested in bikes haha
The editing on this video needs to compete for an Oscar.
Why? There is no competition!
Who they competing against boring Revzilla and MotorcycleNews?
I've watched a few of your videos so far and wanted to say "well done". Inovative and fun. Thank You.
My first bike was a Yamaha 80.
Later on in life although I owned a car I wanted a bike.
I got a very used Honda Hawk 400.
I paid $500 and it ran perfectly after test driving some garbage that people were trying to get rid of.
Sold it for what I paid for it.
All my friends went out and started to purchase Harleys.
One got a new 883 Sportster the rest went bigger.
Don't know the names but I remember the engine size was 1340 CCs.
I decided to get another bike.
This time to the Honda dealer for a new 750 in black.
I only paid $2500 for this bike and it was brand new. As a matter of fact when I went to get it they did not even have one on the showroom floor I asked the salesman show it to me he brought me into the repair side and showed me that was actually in a box I believe it was on top of three other boxes.
Left them a deposit came back when it was assembled.
This bike was so much better then my friends bikes in every way.
They could not believe what I paid until I showed up with the receipt.
This was in the early 80s so don't go looking for this price now days.
I see what 750 Jap bikes sell for.
This bike was so good that my first
NEW car was a Honda Civic. That was back in 1987.
Honda when it was made in Japan.
The day we swapped bikes just to see. I drove the sporster on the highway when a car cut right in front of me. Sacred me to death because what would be a very light pull on my front break did not work that way on the Harley.
I had no idea that it needed to be pulled to engage. Not for me ever.
OMG . Did you notice all those wheel weights at 4:10 to balance the wheel !! Good quality control on the casting of those things .
Yeah, I was going to comment that, that's a lot of weight in a new bike..
Lol... so true
hell, i saw more than that on a brand new in showroom Sienna
Holy SHIT! Then I saw "Harley Davidson" on the tire, and the understanding kicked in.
a lot of that can be for the tyre. I've had bare car wheels on balancers before to look for buckling, spun it to check for balance, and it was totally fine even though there was a slight (barely a few mm) wobble.... fit a tyre, fire the weights cannon
Well explained and very entertaining, this should be longer than 10mins 😂
wasn’t worth it he just made it long enough so he can get monetized in his corny video
@@datgio4951 corny?
@@datgio4951 Monetization limit is now 8 minutes
No. it is also as good as it is BECAUSE of the perfect length, nothing to say about the thicness of production quality
Or at least more of them. I appreciate that Fort 9's content is several cuts above most others but we need them more often! They are for the thinking motorcycle enthusiast....I can't fault them. Perhaps some more new or forgotten and underrated bike reviews? .......up to Ryan I suppose although I wouldn't want the quality to suffer because of quantity.
What a phenomenally created video. Content, editing, writing. Bravo
Your videos are hands down the most informative and entertaining.
Ok part 1, was great, like the Godfather part 2 “The FTR” is going to be epic.
I'm hyped as hell because I have an ftr
I love the FTR, but based on the bikes he runs I think he’s gonna find a lot of problems with it.
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Can we all just take some time to appreciate how difficult that last part was to shoot? 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Videography i have never seen before on youtube land.
One thing i like about old air cooled harleys is how much easier they are to work on. Once you add liquid cooling, fuel injected computer controlled engines you pretty much have to take it back to the dealership to have it worked on. Also the less stuff there is on a vehicle that can break the less stuff you have to worry about fixing.
Buy a Honda ….problem solved .
Okay boomer
You make outstanding videos. Very well put together both from an informative and an entertaining point of view.
The Indian Scout does a great job of bridging those two markets. Enough modern aspects, while still capturing the nostalgia.
Yeah even to me, that would never buy that category of bike, the Scout looks really good.
Yeah, with respect to motorcycles, America is ALL nostalgia! I've never owned an American motorcycle, made two Triumph mistakes then ALL Asian. Can't afford a Ducati but they blow everything away.
@@DRAGONFLYSIOUXSIE American products capture an experience that foreigns can't. It's not even about the nostalgia it's about the stylistic approach and unique motor technologies. American cars are in this category too. My old big block just, can't be found anywhere else other than america. Plain and simple.
"do you know how to go faster?"
paint it red, add some flames.
Air brush a skull and/or an eagle on it.
Don't forget the stickers. Stickers add horsepower.
Red wunz go fasta! Add some dakka too please.
...or buy a Diavel!
Ghost flames.
Some of the best moto videos ive ever seen. FortNine really tops it great stories in each video , perfect scenery, informative. Keep them coming 👍
Yesterday was my fourth day riding, and my second day riding street bikes and I already find myself scraping my foot pegs and knocking my head against that narrow lean angle. The scout bobber is a GORGEOUS bike and super fun in a straight line but even as a total newbie I've already pushed it to its limit in cornering just on my commute.
Great vid - a touch of "Tennet" about it but far easier to understand......
Funny that we both haven’t seen that one yet!
Tennet wasn't hard to understand though
A touch is an understatement. It's like watching one of those directors who have just discovered slow-motion. And end up making the entire film in slow-mo.
TENET*
@@thejosh0205 Oops - my bad, I've let myself down...
Found myself drawn into the story, the theory, and the history - well done. The videography, editing, and cawing are fantastic and the Canadian flavor is the icing on the cake. Stay safe.
Good stuff eh
Great video! Keep on rockin‘!
I enjoy your videos! Keep up the awesome content!
I started riding almost 4 years ago and you guys made me feel passionate and comfortable to start on 2 wheels. These documentary styled films are my favorite. Just wanted to say thank you to Ryan and everyone in FortNine
Well there's the Scout's ad campaign right there: "Indian, with 43% more power than a Harley... priced like a Sportster, but goes like a V-Rod!"
I knew me and HD were going crossways when I thought the V-Rod was the bomb, and everyone else thought it bombed. Never looked back.
@@theancienteternaloaktree I've always wanted one. Thought they'd update it, but they did the exact opposite and killed it.
@@theancienteternaloaktree its funny the harley engine i consider the most reliable was the one porsche helped with and die hard harley fans hated. Almost like reliability and actual power isn't in Harleys priority like selling cosplay outfits. 2 of my friends have Vrods (one of them has both vrod and night rod) and all 3 have over 60k on them with 0 issues, meanwhile my low rider has gone through a couple mechanic visits
@@theancienteternaloaktree V Rod has a nice engine but still has forward foot controls not for me ..
@@mikeskidmore6754 yeah, one of the downsides for long rides. You end up with iron butt. That can be adjusted some though.
My God, the production quality on this video!
I think, beyond image, part of the attraction to Harley is its tractor like performance saving low skilled riders the embarrassment of stalling frequently on a low torque, high RPM engine.
No one with more than an hours practice and 3 minutes of clutch instruction stalls a bike. (I did stall my SUbaru WRX more than a few times, weak ass/complete lack of torque ass motor, whereas my 2003 Cavalier with half the horsepower could do low 200 RPM 2nd gear launches without stalling!) :)
8:08 The editor literally put that sound of that exhaust pipe touching the ground. Genius
Thanks!
@@ajesh300 are you the editor?
Fascinating to finally understand the science to long vs short strokes, air vs liquid cooling etc etc
Kevin Cameron can retire now.
It’s a really nice looking bike,I am more of an harley type but got to admit they do some nice job too.Though I wouldn’t have compair this 883 iron HD,there is literally a hd which has pretty much the same name: the Softail street bob and that is more of a competition already.What a really interesting video,really well explained.
Great video - again!! The shot at 7:05 shows the passion.
Yeah, the production quality is insane in your videos, but for me my favorite aspect of your channel is the physics behind motorcycles that you explain incredibly well. It's been a while since my engineering school days, and it's great to see the many concepts I learned applied to something as awesome as motorcycles.
Yeah, I was about to say very impressive and well applied
Ok now we NEED a FTR 1200 review!!
Yes, this is begging for a sequel
Most of Ryan's videos end up with me learning something I did not know, find interesting, and hope to use somewhere, sometime.
Always a learning adventure.
Your production values are amazing!!
Finally, the science of torque and HP explained in using chodes and slongs- well done Ryan 😎👍
Layman's terms rule
Best comment ever
Genitalia, a language we can all understand.
The information he presents is incomplete and biased.
Brilliant as usual.
And unlike many others, he never asks for subscriptions or likes!
Respect.
This is all true, they do a great job at being critical.
Well......he works for Fortnine, a clothing/motorcycle accessories company......thats the business.
Doesn't need to when the content speaks for itself
And yet, it's one of the very select few channels that I remind myself to like, am subscribed to and actually have notifications turned on!
But doesn’t reply to no comments, brilliant
Another great video. I love watching you, man. Very honest, direct input, lots of super info. Indian motorcycles are killing HD, day by day. I don't really care for that style, however I love the design, electronics, components and quality they put into the bikes. They are just sexier looking. I own a new Goldwing DCT Tour, but if I would shop for that style, Indian would be the go to....hands down. Good job, Indian. Keep rocking.
Great production per usual with your channel. Love the songs 😎
Most people just want their old machines. The only diffrence is that they want them faster, safer and more comfortable.
i actually do want my old machine back, 1954. I dont think it exists anymore though.
I do. I'm gonna have to go retro.
I worked in the motorcycle industry for years. People, for the most part, do not want their old machines.
@@apancher I do and, i don't. I presently love my newer bike, a NC700X. It just goes. Operates and requires relatively little maintenance. I'm considering something newer and will expect the same performance.
On the other hand, I loved all of my bikes I had in the sixties. First three were a Triumph, a Benelli and a Yamaha. Didn't mind working on them and I knew them mechanically. Loved them too.
@@timjohnson1199 the NC700X is probably the best commuter/utility bike ever built. Dead reliable, great fuel econ, and lots of lockable storage. Not the most exciting, but enough power to cruise thr highway. When came to people buying bikes for fun, most people in the new bike market at least, had no desire for anything air cooled or carburetted.
the level of editing in this video is a masterpiece, congrats on Aneesh Shivanekar, amazing job
Very high quality video and the manner in which you explain physics is top notch!
These videos are miles better than anything else out there. It's really not even close