When Tech Companies Lie to Us...
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- Опубліковано 12 січ 2022
- Tech company lies exist on a spectrum. How far is too far?
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I can’t see it becoming any less of an issue unfortunately - if anything, the more complex the tech becomes, the easier it is to fool the average consumer with meaningless specs, cause they have less and less of an idea on how the tech is actually working - Great vid though, we should keep calling it out when we spot it 👌
Great video indeed, hello from Singapore
He’s tryna steal your audience bro😂😂
My man well said
Great video indeed, hello from Africa
Great comment Arun I agree the tech companies should be more up-front because they clearly try to confuse the customer.
Tech companies must have a 'Hate how much I Love you' kinda relationship with MKBHD . . .
🤣🤣🤣 was thinking the same thing
accurate.
The problem with Tesla vaporware is that they took deposits and then never delivered…
The Roadster scam runs deeper. Instead of paying for traditional advertising, Tesla created a "referral program" where they offered 60 influencers (bloggers and UA-camrs) free Roadsters in exchange for shilling the Tesla brand (according to Electrek). Those people made videos and blog posts expecting a free car for their efforts, but got nothing (other than ruining their integrity by shilling for a brand). That would have been a lot of advertising for $15million, but Tesla got it for free because they're not producing the Roadster (they haven't even offered the Plaid as an alternative).
@@Buggabones getting that refund is quite an operation - and those cars are never coming out
@@jonnowocky8179 Yes they are coming out.
@@dmitribovski1292 citation needed. And no, bro trust me doesn't cut it as a citation
@@DamianMarx What are the cars that were announced and have deposits but aren't yet delivering? It was the Semi, the Cybertruck, and the Roadster. The semi delivery event was 2 weeks ago and those are currently going out to customers. Cybertruck has begun early production (there are photos). So you can clearly see progress toward delivery on this stuff. It's true that they are way behind schedule on them, but it's not like there haven't been legitimate reasons.
One of the definitions of lying is: "to create a false or misleading impression" - so yes, they are lying.
It's not a lie to say that your underwear is full of skid marks and ALL your clothes are covered in sea men stains. That's no lie boy.
@@jennyanydots2389 r u ok
@@fjdididiididid1238 You don't ask questions boy you just do what you're told son. You got it or do you need me to sound out the words for you boy?
@@jennyanydots2389 would honestly like to see you sound out the words digitally so yes please
@@jennyanydots2389 aww, a smoothbrain musk cultist in the wild
I petition camera sensors should have a naming scheme like TV’s. Maybe mm diagonal? Super easy and straightforward.
Pixel or subpixel area seems like the best option to me. I mean there's only so much the manufacturers can do to beat physics
Full frame 35mm sensors are actually 36mm wide!
(That would be 43mm diagonal)... At least the still side of cameras appears to be a little more honest.
And if they still use imperial measurements, they get a 1 year timeout in the corner, licenses to sell revoked.
As much as I get triggered by "inches", I honestly never converted my TV and Monitor and Phone sizes to cm/mm. Only width to see how many of them would fit on my desk without tipping over on the sides :O
There .. my 34'' wide screen is 86.36 cm..... now I know ...
Except then we'd call .91-1.00in sensors "1in Class" sensors.
sick petition
The way DJI literally had iconography showing a 1” diagonal measurement. Likely a misunderstanding by marketing but feels worse.
To be fair it is a really common misconception. Ask a few professional photographers- I bet half of them also don't know.
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yeah, that's straight up lying!
Somebody at that company with marketing oversight definitely saw that mistake and intentionally let it pass.
When people believe that "full self driving" actually means "full self driving", it has had some pretty harmful real-world effects.
that's why it's a beta program, it's not finished, dont know if it will finish or if it won't, but just pointing it out.
How dare them believe what they were told from elon...
Because tech companies lie. It is that simple
just saying: cruise control :)
People hear what they want to hear. Cruise control has been confused for full self driving too. Stupid people will always find ways to kill themselves.
Also we call a 2x4 a 2x4 despite them only being about 1.5x3.5. because the board STARTED at 2x4 inches before being dimensioned and rounded over.
Mad respect that you can hang out with Elon and review his cars but still remain independent enough to call Tesla out on their marketing
Definitely
yes how impressive of a reviewer to "remain independent" lol
When he said "look at what else was in the presentation" and showed a still with the Tesla Semitruck, I'm surprised he didn't call that out tbh, the Semi also had a similar delivery schedule and failed to deliver, a bit more significant for something advertised to "beat rail" on cost. Or full self driving. Or robotaxis.
He literally picked the smallest thing that is of no real importance to anyone to critique about tesla, the one foot of rollout standard.
He was INTERVIEWING not “hanging out”. It’s his job
Ya, it's really a low bar to ask a tech reviewer to be independent.
My biggest issue with these "lies" (even when technically they are not lying) is that they are meant to deceive, and make people think their products are better than they actually are.
That part....
Welcome to all of marketing in the history of ever
If they are meant to deceive, they are lies by definition
@@RickKasten Exactly, the product being good should not negate their lies. Some people are either too sympathetic to companies or just gullible.
They are lying. There's no way around it. You don't know what you're talking about if they are not.
Great vid MB, surprised I haven’t found you on YT before, instant sub! I especially loved the historical background, and how it still affects modern tech. Reminds me of how, way back when, they started dragging carts out of mines. These carts were initially nothing special, same as any farmer would have, drawn by a single horse. The miners realized rails would make the work much easier, and the width between these rails became the first gauge for railroads. That gauge has survived into modern times, and because certain components of the space shuttle had to be transported by rail that would pass through tunnels, was the limiting factor for how big we could make the spaceship.
Thanks for the learning today! I definitely think pointing out companies misleading decisions is a huge benefit to customers of both those products and your reviews. I wonder if we'll ever get to see you and Louis Rossman on the same screen together.
The 1 inch sensor situation reminds me a bit of when people we first started getting into large storage sizes (GBs and TBs) and people were confused why their 500GB drive doesn't have 500GB.
That's caused more by the confusion between GiB and GB
Same with KiloBITS vs KiloBYTES / Mb/S vs MB/s ... of course cable companies always list speeds in MegaBITS/Second because they know most people don't the difference and people will assume Megabytes... this is so shitty, not sure how these marketing people sleep at night.
@@altus3278 Really it's not confusion it's just mis marketing. Most storage sizes in the US are marketed by GB but then in the small print on the back of the box it will say 1GB = 1,000,000,000bytes.
Anyway, I just said it reminded me of that situation, not that they are 1:1 the same.
They were the sizes they mentioned. The filesystem on the disk takes space too and people may have no idea what that is.
@@metaltyphoon Uhm, source? I'm pretty sure even windows doesn't hide the fact that the installation itself is space taken up on the drive, and that it was caused by the GiB/GB difference that shouldn't even exist in the first place. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
The sensor size measurement is exactly similar to how we still use "horsepower" as a unit for measuring power. As new technology/devices comes out, we still need a way to compare it to existing one. The problem is that after a while those old techs are not relevant anymore.
only dumbass people use hp. kilowatts and nm's are used where im from.
@@kaimelis You don't need to call people dumbass to express that kilowatts and mn's are better than hp.
@@kaimelis nm is a dumb way of comparing the stuff. Way better with Nm at a certain RPM, to measure how actually usable the engine is.
It is a unit of measure. Can be converted to watts. Just like other imperial units. Use of it doesn't make you smarter or dumber depending on what you use.
It's one of the main reasons why sensible countries use metric.
I like how you speak, sounds like talking to a normal person or friend about technology and stuff you like, like close and friendly and very interesting! Great work!
Pretty new to your channel but I really like the way you talk honestly with your views and give a fair account of both sides of any argument just to keep buyers well-informed. Thanks for the awesome work!
Has a great team working with him!
The lumber industry‘s been lying to us forever as well. Have you ever bought a 2 x 4. Oh excuse me… A 1 1/2 x 3 1/2. Ain’t nothing about it 2 inches x 4 inches.
They used to be. Then they found out they could make them smaller without losing any crucial strength
I have been lying to my wife about 9” for years😜
@@jameslyons158 she always knew, just kept quiet to make you feel better :)
That's what she said!
I thought of this immediately.
The most popular one is always "12 hour battery life" or some general statement as if you're experience with that device is going to be the one you claim. But that "12 hour" calculation is made with a ton of asterisks that aren't how normal people use their phone
Like when they say (two day battery) which means...two days if you never turn it on at all 😄
@@ILoveGrilledCheese my phone gets me through two days. I have pretty moderate to heavy use. Includes UA-cam Instagram PDF, E-readers and browsing, with mobile data always turned on. with a couple of minutes of Spotify here and there. no gaming. around 15 hours of Screen time
@@beactivebehappy9894 wtf? 15 hours SOT? what kind of phone you have lmao
when in actuality, with moderate use, it's sort of like 6-8hrs
Headphones: 30 hours of play* (*with volume 2 out of 10)
Your videos are so good, man. Really admire the quality of your work. And this one is also very interesting. Thanks!
Great explanation of the 1" sensor. Stupid that it's still talked about this way, but makes sense now.
Love the 1-inch sensor backstory explanation!
I just don't get why inches is still used instead of the metric system.
@@BabaG_69 I'm measuring everyday for my job with inches and it's stupid. I'm with you on this!
Yeah that was really interesting!
Just like when you ask a guy about “his size”. There’s always this +- value you need to account for lol.
@@eadrianbasila why would you ask someone that
Another misconception: Transistors.
When a company markets their product to have a new 5nm technology, 14nm, 28nm, etc… its usually a marketing tool. If you were to cross-section these chips and measure their nodes (using a high magnification electron microscope such as SEM, TEM, STEM), you would get varying results +/- 10nm. Meaning, it is possible to measure ~10-15nm for a transistor that is claimed to be 5nm,
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Wow that's a new fact! It's always important to test real life performance.
5-10=-5. what?
@@chaklee435 It's a range, 5 to 10.
I think, when they say, 5nm, 7nm, it means the gap between two transistors.
Very well made video as always. Keep up the good work. It fascinates me that there is even a word 'vapourware' which describes this topic. The moral of the story is that we should never only look for the official specs because it is just marketing. Instead, we should look for reviews from creators like you.
Great video bro.. really good breakdowns / explanations -- don't change.
As a linguist and an English teacher, this "1-inch sensor" thing is right up my alley! Just the other day I was telling my students how "turn on" ended up becoming "switch on" because of technological advancements, from a knob, which we would turn, to a switch. And nowadays we have "power on" on our cellphones. Studying languages and how and why they've changed is just so much fun!
Rolling up the window
But then again, the 1" sensor is based on an industry standard. So I don't see that one as a problem or even a lack of evolution. It enables anyone who knows what they are talking about to make a comparison. It's also a little bit like the megapixel race we used to have with cameras. Most people don't even know how to interpret that, all they know is that the bigger the number, the better the picture will look.
@@Hans-gb4mv Industrial standards (and their related terms) get reviewed, revised, and renewed every year. I wonder why this one magically has not changed through all these years and companies insist on using the old term for a modern irrelevant product (using a term suitable for vacuum tubes when talking about digital sensors).
@@sh4hriar we still use ISO. It used to be that 100 was just a standardized film sensitivity, but now it's just the default sensitivity on a given digital camera, making it mean essentially nothing
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The DJI site actually had a diagonal line from corner to corner with the 1" in the middle... nobody else did. Shame...
The marketing department who makes these infographics, claims and advertisements actually have no deep understanding of the product they are marketing.
@@Kahvisuodatinpussi That's why we need regulation.
7:44 nope, as an Engineer working for High tech companies I can tell it is only because CEOs think they understand the product while in reality they absolutely have no clue.
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At this point anyone who knows anything about Tesla knows to add 2-3 years to their dates and scale back all their claims significantly.
Except model y. That was early
@@CatalystNetwork Because the CT and R 2.0 were late.
Yes, Semi is nowhere, Roadster is nowhere, Robotaxis are nowhere, Full-Self Driving is not actually full self driving, etc. I like their cars, but I don't trust what Elon says, lol.
@Joe tbh just get the enhanced autopilot it’s enough, buying the FSD is just wasting 12.000$ for promises.
Lol so true, still waiting on the cybertruck
You are so correct. The whole consumer vs producer interaction is so skewed to cover up, omission and lies. The argument whether it is harmful or not is irrelevant. There used to be a department of weights and measures, they need coming back, with hefty fines and powers. The market place needs to turn a full 180 degrees from “buyer beware” to “full disclosure, buy with confidence “.
Good clip 👍🏻🤟
The problem with harmless lies ( From anybody, but especially corporations that take our hard earned money ) Is that they make harmful lies okay to tell their customers... A lie is a lie is a lie and the really dangerous part of this is a lie can become the truth if it's repeated enough!
man, I really wanted more examples of companies actually lying vs all the examples of companies technically-lying-but-not-really.
In the early 2000s there was a vaporware game console called the Phantom, you can read about that. There was also Nikola motors, which sold non-existent trucks. And the Cicret bracelet promised features that weren't even physically possible.
@@thecianinator the nikola one is probably the best example. It was horrible
Elon Musk has lied about just about every one of his companies and their deliverables. He promised fully self-driving vehicles by 2021, didn't happen. He promised the Boring Company would open a tunnel under the Bering Strait connecting Russia to Alaska in 2022, they haven't even gotten permits much less broken ground. He promised a fleet of robots would be launched in 2021 landing in 2024 to terraform Mars to prepare for humans landing in 2030, that is literally decades away from happening. The Hyperloop will never happen, because it breaks the laws of physics. The non-shattering glass, Tesla semis going into production in 2017 and available for purchase/lease in 2019, the list goes on and on.
@@RickKasten Is being late on a timeline really lying about a product? Like if we are supposed to ship a new version of software by a certain date, but it comes out 1 year later, it still shipped. Admittedly, the delivery date is wrong, but you still got the software. If you say you are going to make dinner for your significant other by 6pm, but you have challenges and don't deliver dinner until 7pm, did you lie about making dinner?
You can't wrap Elon Musk up with Nikola or Theranos. The guy actually delivers. He set out to advance the speed of the auto industry transitioning to sustainable energy, and it's happening right now. He also set out to create low-cost space travel. Guess what, SpaceX has reusable rockets that land after going to space. They also catch fairings before they land in the ocean. Hyperloop was a tech paper, it was never a company. PepsiCo is getting their semis this month.
Dude, when something has never been done before, how can you expect people to be exact on dates?
@@tstan6827 If a craftsman tells me he gets my sink installed by afternoon. I expect that it is installed at afternoon.
If it isnt the case, the craftsman lied to me, because it is afternoon and my sink is not installed.
The same is happening with Musk.
He tells poeple during product shows wonderful tales of his products that are going to be available soon.
So poeple start buying stock in the companies of Musk, because he talks about all the nice products that are going to hit the market soon.That in turn increases the value of the companies of Musk.
Now it turns out Musk was just blowing smoke and his investors are holding a bag of stock that isnt as much worth as the real value of the company and they have to hope that at some point in time, his products do release, or they are going to lose a lot of money on the stocks they bought.
The same thing already happened at other companies. Musk is just lucky to have actual products he can sell or he would also get hit by fraud charges like the CEOs of Theranos or Nikola.
The Channel "Engineering explained " did a great break down on this. that 1.99 wasn't just done with rollout, there was track glue down too. Another grip aid from the drag world.
Yep. For what it's worth though, the one foot roll out is industry standard and all of the 0-60 times you see are measured this way. What's even more interesting is if you look at 5-60 times, they are always a good bit slower than 0-60. For example, Car and Driver reports that the 2021 Supra does 0-60 in 3.8 seconds (one foot rollout of 0.3 seconds excluded) and a rolling 5-60 time of 4.4 seconds. The 5-60 times can't take advantage of launch control so it's more representative of what you'll experience driving in normal conditions. Interesting stuff
You are forgetting about the cold air thrusters that the roadster is supposed to get.
@@juanmedinar20 exactly, he broke it all down on the Joe Rogan podcast
@@jarnold1789 it’s the American standard, here in Europe (or Germany at least) 0-100 is measured from a full stop. And 60 miles don’t equal 100km either, more like 96km.
@@jarnold1789 It's only the american standard. European cars (which make the majority of performance cars where numbers like this are actually looked at) are all measuring 0-100 km/h (0-62 mph) from a standing start without rollout. And in independent tests most of them hold their promised values or are just slightly off. Cars like Porsches often even beat their own numbers in test from journalists, WITHOUT rollout or other tricks.
Like RED’s 10.000$ Laser Projector from NAB 2012 that never came out.
Exactly!
It's impossible for a company to play by the rules and be open and honest with tech terms because their competition will do everything they can to skew what a tech term 'means'. Unless some kind of industry wide agreed upon standards organization is created that maintains and enforces what specific tech terms mean, then all companies have to play fast and loose with whatever terms are used because their competition will surely do so. For now, the consumer's only hope is to do their own due diligence on any tech they want to spend money on, and rely on credible reviewers such as this channel. Keep up the good work MB!
Would be interesting to have a "when companies tell us the truth" video...
Already thinking of remixes before you finish watching the original. I like it.
@@mkbhd yooo that would be awesome :)
That Tesla looks awesome though
Haha yea
Yes
I have to conclude the "0-60"stat is a lie because when the clock starts, the car's speed is not 0. Simple as that.
I agree.
Engineering explained has a detailed explanation on the whole 0-60 thing. Check it out if interested.
Shouldn't we measure the 0-62mph time too?
Yet the best times, and most accurately measured, are at a drag strip where the 1' rollout occurs because of the way drag strips work.
I depend how precise is 0... especially with modern GPS... 0 is never 0... never was... precision just changed... before 1980(GPS) dragstrip method with rollout was most common, repeatable ,precise way to get 0-60... it never was -0-60 and new GPS 0-60 are not real 0-60 precision only changed...
As always, very informative. Good work
Awesome video. Great info. Had no idea. Thank you and MERRY CHRISTMAS 2022!
My favorite is Tesla's "Potential Savings" default price for their cars which includes "potential incentives and gas savings of $4,300" 😅
Ya that shit is ridic.....and people actually believe it.
The sad part is when you compare it to a plug-in hybrid the fuel saving is only $250 a year. I don't know why they refuse to talk about plug in hybrids instead of going straight to higher priced EVs.
@@paladain55 It’s because EVs are quickly becoming far more desirable than plug-in hybrids, so companies like VW and Ford are trying to get ahead of that.
@@paladain55 250 for 5 years might only be 1250, but you also have to factor in oil changes which in the same period is probably going to bring it up to 2000. And that’s for a best case alternative that gets plugged in every day, and there’s some controversy on how often phev are. Not a fan of how Tesla lists the price, but in my case it’s way underestimated because I drive 20k miles per year, so the edge cases go in both directions.
@@paladain55 Because hybrids are terrible. They cost more than a gas car, have a weaker motor than the gas car, have a smaller battery than the BEV and only use less fuel if you drive like the driving cycle dictates. Many hybrids actually use mor fuel because they charge their battery. It’s a ridiculous technology that very few people buy. So why talk about it?
The competition is so aggressive that the CEOs, the companies and the marketing dpts are exaggerating in crazy levels. Phone cameras is the biggest example. There are tons of cases not only in tech stuff. More interesting will be when they actually say the truth!
@Instagram User which content?
Remember, GM is leading the EV market
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Elon Musk is the worst of the bunch
Incredibly in-depth insightful vid! Thanks for posting M💯🙏🏽
Never seen you before, Watched this vid, you have a sub. keep it up man!
I was expecting some kind of introduction, but
MKBHD went straight to point "you know how tech companies lie to us right..." 🤣
Good Breakdown Marques and team - nice to have an overview of all of these marketing strategies in the tech industry :))
@Instagram User you're everywhere.. get some life
Uber and Lyft: “Be your own boss.”
Facebook: “Free and always will be.”
Elon Musk: “Teslas will be built on Mars in 40 years.”
Saying techies lie is like saying lava is hot.
like Marques, but you do realise this “breakdown” is quite obvious facts, nothing new?!
No decir toda la verdad es mentir ...
Not lies though are they
3:52 that graphic confused me. I thought the grey bars were proportional in length to the car torques before I realized they were just fitter for the text length.
Maybe a visualization would be more impactful for the watcher
Excellent, informative, sharp.
3:41 FYI Newton is shortened to N, nm would be nano meters.
It's Newton-meter that they're talking about here, measurement of torque
This is the first time I've sensed an otherwise stoic MKB as angry, especially during the Tesla segment and rightly so if I may add. Props to you for standing up against even the biggest trend setters. Really appreciate it.
Anger? Timestamp?
He didn’t even mention FSD in vaporware so he was very nice. Fsd by definition can’t be babysat so Tesla don’t have it until it’s level 5
@@curt8806 Is it vaporware though? I mean they are actively and very publicly developing it. Or perhaps it will turn into vaporware if it turns out they can't do it with the current camera configuration only?
@@ingerasulffs imo it's vaporware because they are selling it right now as fsd when it clearly isn't. I can't sell people ice-cream and just send them milk and tell them I will eventually learn how to make ice-cream.
Tesla literally owes him a car and change
Great video! But 1:20 bringing up the Plaid Model S was silly… of course they had no idea at the time that they would beat the 2.0 second mark with another product first.
Thank you for such a informative video, everybody wins when theres people like yourself, who makes sure that the ordinary person (like myself) is well informed, thank you sir.
I have to give you props on having this conversation as a tech youtuber. This is above the level of many automotive journalists and is something I expect from someone like Jason Cammisa. Good job Marques.
I LOVE that Marques did this, and I really hope that he calls our companies on lies and even misleading statements like these more in the future. One of the most frustrating things about being a consumer of new tech is not being able to fully trust what we hear about them, and so one of the most valuable things we can get from a review is the knowledge of when these lies are told. We need to know which brands are trustworthy, and hold accountable the ones that aren’t with an actual hit to their reputation and sales.
Thank you very much for your great explanation!
This is gold. THE TRUTH is. I love my Tesla and it seems you like yours too. But THIS is what earn mad respect.
I love how this feels like having a sit down with Marques and just letting him rant about this Job. This is my kind of content.
I read a comment a few months ago pointing out that Marques' channel is transitioning to analyzing industry trends that influence current tech products. I think it's really cool and significant in industries like smartphones, where the specs become more and more incremental. I think he realized that continuing down the path of comparing specs would become monotonous, whereas investigating industry trends can be massively insightful into controlling the products that do launch.
There is also one reason why I appreciate German car brands. Almost without exception, their cars are accelerating faster than what has been advertised.
Nein not true, i have an mercedes c350e which it says it needs to accerlate in 5.7 secs. İ never saw lower than 7 seconds.
@@ozanvolkan1 because you bought it second hand and are not teking good care of it.
@@D3nn1s_NL no i bought it near new in 2017 with only 9k kms on it
@@ozanvolkan1 oke then you can go back to a mercedes dealer and tell them that you have a problem. Did you used highest power mode for the electric and motor?
@@D3nn1s_NL no it went to the warrenty once. İts usually just the best case scenario. İts usually a lie. That guys who get faster times tune it, i owned alot of cars none matched the advirtised speed.
Thank you. Refreshing transparency.
nice video! As a 'hardware-loving' guy this stuff grinds my gears. Same way as "new folder" or "SFP". And don't get me started with HDMI, 4k, 8k or USB... Legal promotional marketing descriptions xD
Love the video, just wanted to point something out since you're on point with basically everything in your videos. Newton meters should be denoted Nm, since nm stands for nanometers and Newtons are always shortened to N. Very interesting to think about the wheel vs motor torque, I'll have to see what an average car's wheel torque in 1st-3rd is.
As an engineer I knew someone would notice that. Glad to to find you.
@@DJKrowbarKE yeah me too
It's really surprising that Tesla didn't catch this mistake in their presentation.
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This is why it's best to not get your hopes up on tech products that looks to good to be true
Yes, critical thinking is a good skill to posses - in everything.
Increasingly the case with these robber barons.
Instagram User lol leave dude we don't need your bs here your content is trash
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Mmhm
3:36 that sound effect you added when the text came on reminds me of airpods dying
I like this healty critisism.! Keep it up :)
I have to say - THANK YOU for adding actual subtitles instead of having viewers using crappy auto-generated ones. You are making your content more accessible and inclusive for those who are hard of hearing or similar disabilities.
Are you sure you didn’t have the auto subtitles enabled by default? Because I don’t see subtitles
these subs were not synced...
Huh. I turned off CC because I was seeing Eng subs that were very late.
I feel like at least part of this video is coming from years of pent up frustration from realizing the little lies and omissions from companies and it finally needed to come out as a sort of rant
Thx for the 1inch sensor information…. Never heard about it…
Thanks for the video. Interesting to learn about the origin of the 1-inch sensor. The Tech world is not the only place where “statements” and somewhat misleading. Politicians play this game all the time with misleading or half-truth statements; or choosing a short segment of what someone has said without the full context of the entire statement.
"Unemployment Rates" are probably the best example. They can range from 4% to 25% depending on how you define and measure the exact same data.
Challenge: take a shot every time Marques says “1-inch sensor”.
I was about to comment that. lol
i tried im going to the hospital
Take a drink
No.
@@drewski91 I admire your will and ability to type regardless.
Dude, you need to make more videos like this. I feel like I’ve learned so much. Great video MKBHD!
Same with companies calling 35mm camera sensors "full frame". Like what is full? It's suggesting that it's the best and biggest sensor you can get, but if you compare it with a middle format digital sensor it's still tiny.
As a Prius Prime owner...I appreciate being included in this list 3:50
Thank you for being a massive UA-camr and being outspoken on issues like this and right to repair. Thank you for bringing light to these issues and calling companies out. You're a class act.
nice sony product placement bro!
he did not talk about op stealing user data selling it to third party and selling their phones for cheap calling those flagship killers.
I think a major tech company just needs to release a camera with an actual 1 inch sized sensor and market it as "actual 1-inch sensor" 😂 that way it discredits everyone else's 1 inch sensors and could force a slow change
The Canon APS-C sensor has a diagonal measurement of about 1.06," so I guess it already exists, but with a different designation!
@@craigw.scribner6490 do they call it a 2 inch sensor? 😂
No inches thanks! We live in a metric world! Mm please!
@@chiciu They call it APS-C or crop sensor
@@chiciu lol It wouldn't surprise me if they did!
Great video, just a minor point the list shown at 5:05 (and at least one other scene) - I wish this was a linear-scale bar chart showing the difference. In this format you have to sort on your own, which isn't helped by the fact that the Bugatti has a thousands-separator and the Roadster doesn't...therefore making the number 7376 look smaller than 1,180
sorry I do realize that's insanely nitpicky feedback but figured I'd point it out for suggestion. otherwise, keep on crushing!
Thank you. Very informative and you are easy to listen to.
It’s really important for people like you, whose voice gets heard to say these stuff and call companies out on their bs. I love how honest and transparent you are since the first days. You and MrWhosetheboss are probably the only 2 tech reviewers I trust!
I just loove that you do this kind of video. It is as far as I see, pretty easy to be a reviewer. But what I come for here at your channel is your opinions and your perspective. And also, I kind of expect of you to tell about theese things that is not so obvious to most of us, and things that we tend to forget. Thank you Marques!
It’s not just Tesla. Every car manufacturer subtracts a 1 foot rollout in their 0-60 time.
Ya exactly, if they DIDN'T do this they'd be dumb
actualllly learned something today, thanks marques
Yes, I have been harmed by tech company lies.
Back in 2015 I was in the market for a mirrorless camera. At the time, the best options on the market was the Sony A7, Panasonic GH4 and the Samsung X1. Yes, Samsung made a mirroless camera and it was way ahead of its time. The camera division was rather new but they had the whole road map for new lenses that were going to be launched. So, I bought the Samsung camera.
Soon, the launch dates for these lenses and accessories were being missed but Samsung said not to worry, they were still going to deliver.
Eventually, they just quietly shut it down and the thousands of dollars I paid to buy into there system was meaningless.
From mirrorless to meaningless, my dude
you at least got your money back… right?
@@johnnulf624 nope
Oh man i remember those days, i had one & it was too sad they just quite without further notice. And the money wasted on their cameras :(
@@RJ-Isaac-TSOML That sucks. I’m guessing it was too late to return :(
Really interesting. Always wondered about the electric car torque numbers. Well done!
Oh hey Cam
@@foreigner6195 luckily they dont replace one battery but 7104 batteries ;)
@@foreigner6195 I can tell you. One report of a 2013 Model S needing a battery replacement now out of warranty, and Tesla quoted them $22.5k. That's a 85kWh battery. And cars like it sold for $25k in the market, so that's obviously not a great deal - even if it'd likely last 15+ more years.
It was two (of 16) battery modules that were faulty, but Tesla doesn't provide partial battery replacement (under warranty they'd still replace the entire battery for servicing simplicity, at their own expense) so the owner found a third party repair shop that could do it for $5k. But this issue is much more rare than people thought it'd be back in 2013, which you might be alluding to, since there's both independent and Tesla-based data that shows an average Tesla battery pack has 90% capacity after ~180k miles - and they've improved their battery QA much since 2013 (especially since Jeff Dahn joined in 2016).
The way I see it, the issue is that Tesla prides itself with high focus on design-for-assembly efficiency but neglects so many other aspects (that are industry standard) - like repairability. In theory, EVs have a lot less maintenance requirements and expenses but Tesla isn't focused on minimizing ownership costs - to me, it looks like they're focused on safety, future-proofing and increasing production. I think their approach is understandable, since it's terrible to rely on the goodwill of investors for funding, and you could make a utilitarian argument that they're still making a bigger impact by pushing the industry much faster than what they have any intention of (which was their ambition since back in 2008). It certainly satisfied the shareholders more when Tesla shifted from focus on customer-satisfaction to "maturing through profitability", and it made them far less susceptible to shaky criticisms (like battery fires, long-pipe arguments etc.). They've been in hypergrowth-mode ever since and have gotten a lot of valid criticism for not living up to repairability or build quality standards of their competitors. But I suspect out-of-warranty battery replacement is probably going to be one of those things that will be covered under car insurances since they're very uncommon but obviously vital and expensive, and the rest the drivetrain is likely to last much longer than the typical owner wants to own it.
Unlucky early adopters will have to pay for it though - and it could take a while for that to change since EVs are probably a decade away from being primary global sales (battery supply cannot scale faster than that), three decades away from being primary ownership (100M cars/year -> 2B cars on the road) and thus up to four decades away from their TCO's being intuitively understood by most people. In the meantime though, you can still own a Tesla several years under warranty and sell it off for low depreciation, and avoid that risk if it's a high concern for you. Or trust the numbers and find a way to insure yourself out of that risk.
Your work is dope.
So it appears its a marketing scam.
This video is literally a rant but without the anger and drama 😂
I respect and admire admire your bottom line honesty and your willingness to put it out there. You have the credibility to do so and the size of your following speaks for itself. Elon has gone over the edge with Twitter and I have lost any respect for what he's done.
This reminds me of silicon wafer processes. The “5nm process” of latest-gen cpus (eg M1 max) use transistors that are actually around 20-30nm large. The “5nm” is simply a marketing label, which really pisses me off.
Oh 😳😳😳
Depends on what you refer to. The size used to refer to the size of the gate of the transistor and not the entire transistor. But even that has evolved and the major manufacturers today have sizing that is basically incompatible. Intel's 10nm for example is not that far of from TSMC's 7nm. But then again, these sizes are so small that we can't even comprehend how small they actually are.
Eh, I think it's ok. This is not a property you directly want, it is just indicative of the performance and power efficiency. What really matters is the processing power.
Compare that to a 0-60mph metric - this is something you can directly measure irl and as shown in the video won't be reached irl.
A car analogy would be claiming their motors were made with Vibranium. It doesn't matter, because no one cares about the materials. It matters how the motor performs and nothing else.
Do you have a source?
As far as I know, the Xnm manufacturing process has never measured the size of the actual transistors, but the distance between the lines. In other words, the distance between the "cables", the connections between transistors. The smaller the distance, the more they can pack together and the less energy they’ll consume. The problem reducing that distance has been always avoiding electrons jumping from one line to the other.
But consumer computer world is full of BS marketing around it. I’ve worked around computers for many years and almost everything, from GHz to manufacturing process is much less relevant than many other hidden things, like number of real cores, extensions, internal L1 and L2 caches, and other things. And I don’t want to start talking about gaming stuff and "military grade" motherboards LOL
The "1-inch" sensor is really a revelation for me. 🤯
Thanks for the video! Great material 👍
For me the lack of transparency is the biggest annoyance. Like when Intel/AMD/Nvidia make claims like "Our new CPU/GPU is 30% faster than the closest competitor*." without being clear about the circumstances in their testing.
Also the first thing that came to my mind was a Nokia commercial which claimed that the entire video was shot on their new phone with PureView OIS, but in the ad you could see a reflection of a full sized film camera being used to film the scenes. :D
Basically the motor produces; for example 1475 IB-ft of torque , then after a gear reduction of say 5:1 it will output 7376 IB -FT at the wheels. 5:1 gear ratio means that the motor has to spin 5 times to make the wheels spin 1 once, which multiplies the torque of the motor by 5 times.
Thanks for bringing this to light! Many of us already knew this, but now that you've made a video on it now a larger audience can understand these tech companies not so honest marketing strategies.
Also on a power bank, they always advertise mAh for the 3.6V batteries that are inside not the actual 5V capacity.
good point
I lost it completely at the little diagram/icon next to the 1 inch sensor that literally depicted a diagonal measurement of 1 inch.
That is the most blatant infographical lie I’ve ever seen
I'm surprised when it comes to Tesla, FSD(Full Self Driving) wasn't another point you touched on. Would have been another point for vaporware. There are many owners who have purchased this package years ago, who still have not been updated on delivery timelines etc.
Hell, he started talking about Tesla's at the beginning of the video, *then* moved onto vaporware. Bruh, the roadster itself is vaporware.
And it isn't 'Full Self Driving'.....not even close.
And let's not forget the cybertruck
Don't forget about the truck. The Tesla Semi was supposed to come out in 2019 and to this day is not. And never will btw.
@@Patrick-bu5vy that’s why they say FSD capability.
Please do more of these videos. I'd love to hear your thoughts on more topics other than just products. I love how you explain things
It's not just the rollout Tesla (and many other manufacturers) omit from their 0-60 claims.
They also don't mention the test is done on a prepped surface with a ton of track bite and some even use drag radials.
Back in the 80s I studied AI and one of the subjects was computer language understanding. We were taught that to understand one first had to understand what was being discussed. To put it another way context counts. When we understand the 0 to 60 times are in the context of drag racing they make perfect sense. Yesterday I ran into the term "anodeless battery'. This is total nonsense outside the context of EV battery design and research. So what some see as a lie is simply a contextual problem. GREAT VIDEO
We need more of these videos.
Thanks for everything you do Marques!
Fascinating, MKBHD! Great video!
The marketing image at time 11:23 sure does seem to imply very strongly that the diagonal measurement of the sensor is 1-inch!
Marketing has always been a very powerful tool.
As a young man I became away of this due to the heavy use of buzzword marketing with televisions, especially with the advent of widescreen/flatscreen technology.
I was getting into tech back then and was flabbergasted at the extent of misleading claims and marketing and silly proprietary techs that would get advertised.
I feel like the sensor size thing continues to go on because if I'm a company putting out a sensor that is .63" then I'd be at a disadvantage by saying the actual size of the sensor when I could say it's a 1" sensor and it's the same size as all the companies claiming theirs is a 1' sensor, if that makes sense 😅
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