Driving 1000 Miles in 3 Cars: Gas vs Electric!
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- Опубліковано 5 тра 2024
- We drove a Tesla, a Mustang Mach-E and a gas car 1000 miles in a loop to see which was fastest. This was our road trip results!
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The graphics with the comparison of the 3 cars including the current level of battery are 10/10
Since most people will rarely use their vehicles for such long range drives these tests do little to define real world scenarios especially for the person needing a dependable commuter car. Over 80% of EV owners charge almost exclusively at home. The reality is that most EV's used for commuter applications WILL RARELY EVER NEED TO USE A PUBLIC CHARGER. The kind of testing we need is a real world "convenience factor" test just for the commuter application. This would be a 6 month "commuter use" test of 225 miles round trip per day (this is obviously much longer than a typical commute but because there will always be some fossil fool who claims they need that much range per day to get to work). The EV's would of course be charged at home and have a full tank every morning before leaving their driveway. Also, the EV's would never need to stop at a public charging facility since the average long range versions are now good for roughly 300 or more miles per charge (412 miles per charge for the Tesla LR Model "S"). The ICE vehicles on the other hand will have to schedule at least two gas station stops every week. That sort of daily mileage with an ICE vehicle also means a scheduled oil change every 6 weeks (at least four oil changes in 6 months for the nearly 30,000 miles driven). So roughly 9 hours used to gas up (20 min per week x 26 weeks) and at least six hours wasted for the 4 oil changes (driving to and from a garage then sitting in its customer lounge waiting for the oil change or other routine maintenance). So to compare based on convenience the EV requires only 2 seconds of your day, one second to plug it in before going to bed and one second to unplug it before leaving in the morning (about 6 minutes of your life to maintain the EV over 6 months). A full tank every morning, warmed and defrosted before opening the garage door (try that with an ICE vehicle). THE EV REQUIRES NOTHING ELSE. However, by comparison the ICE vehicle will likely require its owner to be inconvenienced nearly 15 hours every 6 months. The disparity only grows with time. Thats 30 hours every year for the ICE vehicle. The average mpg for an ICE vehicle is 25 mpg so after 30,000 miles you're looking at a likely fuel bill of roughly $3600. Most non-performance EV's average 4 miles per kWh so that's 7,500 kWh at $0.11 per kWh or roughly $825 for the six months. For an ultra reliable commuter vehicle with the LOWEST COST TO OWN BY FAR, the EV wins hands down every time.
@@Tron-Jockey But the price tho, you can get a dirt cheap gas car. The electric cars are so expensive. And what about the places where you cant install a charger at home, or the places where there are a low amount of electric chargers?
100%
@@Tron-Jockey stfu
Sooooo satisfying to watch them going head-to-head on the map
I think you should have let the EVs charge to max at the hotel. Since that's one of the perks of an EV. Most hotels have at least one destination charger that'll work with either plug.
Maybe they didnt work lmao
I wouldn't say most. I see maybe a quarter.
My exact thought. Kinda defeats the purpose of owning an EV. Haha
Can't wait to the see the finished electric hummer Jerryyyyy
I was wondering about that too. But they would only save on one charging time and it had to be a perfect stop to maximize that. If they arrived with half battery then they're only charging up half.
I would love to see this done again as a part 2 with them having the knowledge that the maps don't work well, especially since the issues on the first leg with the mache e really messed up the 2nd leg, would also love to see the extended range/dual motor models
tesla already has the most range in the plaid
@@fishpole394 long range model s has the longest range at 405 miles, plaid isn’t the longest range
@@Axis. oh really? I didn't know that. You learn something new everyday I guess
I feel like to this point knowing that only Electrify America chargers are decent, there's no difference between a Tesla and a another EV that uses EA chargers.
We seldom go out road tripping. We're usually city dwellers, and this video showed the important hack for non-Tesla EVs to take into account.
It's good to have options.
@@unusuario5173 thats not accurate. look up charger reliability, EA is not even close to as reliable as tesla superchargers
Very interesting and educating. I was contemplating electric vs gas for my next car but then there are hybrid and diesel options -- it would be cool to add those to the mix.
That would be interesting. I daily drive a diesel truck and you’d be surprised at the amount of stations that don’t have diesel in some areas. Sometimes I have to settle for a truck stop where it’s a lot more expensive
@@laneblount9888 I own an Hybrid Volvo XC40, and it would 100% have the same outcome as the Audi. Since when the battery is dead, it just uses the normal engine. The downside possible is that the hybrid might have needed to stop for gas one additional time since the tank normally is not as big, but otherwise it would not be different.
I agree. I would love to see something like this with conventional and plug-in hybrids and maybe some other types of EVs, such as a tiny econobox and a larger SUV or truck.
SERIOUS serious props to whomever did your graphics for this one.
Outstanding.
💯 and for those of us with either a casual interest or limited attention, a 3m video synopsis of just those graphics (and explanatory dialogue) would be great! Perhaps add a graphic (bar+line chart) of refuel cost & time, with apt comment about EV charged while eating, while checking into hotel, etc. (if/where applicable).
Agreed! So good.
Noticed that too. Soo smooth. And the sync between the route progress and the charge reserve... Oh my.
100% agreed. Fantastic work all around guys! This is definitely work to be proud of!
@@ilya__t Thats a basic 2d keyframe animation...
I love how Marques is so versatile with his content, this video is a banger 🔥
Ikr he doesn’t stick with one type of vid he changes every now and then
Nice observation
It’s interesting but he also has to be careful not to veer of too much because when people subscribe to the channel they expect a certain type of genre
Everyone missed how unscientific this comparison is. Gas guzzler SUV, base model mach e, and top end tesla. Of course the top end tesla does better than the base tesla, more motors = better. He should have used average people cars and trims.
This was the same thing I was thinking about!! This video do be a banger too
I’d love to see a similar comparison out West where the charging infrastructure isn’t as built up and the terrain is more challenging. Maybe Spokane to Yellowstone National Park or Denver to Salt Lake City. I know plenty of people that only road-trip for vacations and a lot of these could be in the west where there are more natural vacation destinations. Idk if y’all would have the time and budget to do this, but it’d be fun to see!
Upstate NY is very mountainous.
The Adirondacks are about as built up as Americas national parks.
i did road trip with SR+ Tesla 3 2 years ago. Dallas -> Denver -> Yellowstone -> Salt Lake City -> Dallas. Only 1 stretch of leg was difficult, had to slow down to 55mph . with LR even that won't be a problem. This happened in late Fall, so it was snowing in Yellowstone
Can't even do the comparison in the South. Tesla is literally the only charging network available.
Search UA-cam for a roadtrip challenge between Tesla, Porsche, Kia and Ford between Denver and Las Vegas. The non-Tesla’s used Electrify America only and did run into some non-working chargers, but there was typically at least one that worked. Porsche came first, followed by the Tesla 3, Kia EV6, Tesla X and then Ford Mach-E. There was a difference of 1.5 hours between the fastest and slowest for the 750 mile road trip. Very good video. I have a Mach-E and will put more planning in before I take a long road trip and not trust just the Ford app.
This was really cool to watch AFTER seeing the actual road trip videos back-to-back. My next car is going to be a Subaru Crosstrek, but I have a feeling what comes next will more than likely be and EV.
Great video! Good one to show to people that are always questioning road tripping Gas VS EV.
Yeah this will be a nice little video to bookmark and send to people who say EV can't do road trips. I mean I prefer Tesla but the Mach E performed extraordinarily well IMO.
@@user-RCST If you leave out the misinformation the car displayed about the chargers, this is true. ;-)
Hey it's the more popular Tesla reviewer
@@capslock9031 you can't get everything right on your first EV I'm sure Ford is working hard to try and solve these problems.
Waiting for the uncle rich x mkbhd cross over
Thank you for doing this! It's so difficult to recommend a non-Tesla EV when none of the non-Tesla EVs don't take the user experience of charging seriously. Really hope EA & all the manufacturers up their game if they're looking for anyone to buy these cars (especially in the US, where occasional long trips are fairly normal).
Are EV's becoming more of a gadget or do they also have the same soul as the ICE vehicles ?
@@mohammadyaqoob746 from personal experience a lot of drivers dont care about the soul when they get utterly trashed at the lights by a EV. after seeing their dragstrip-ready hellcat or demon get absolutly de-stroyed by a glorified golf cart that mom uses to bring the kids to school and a costco run and operates at a fraction of the fuel cost you see plenty of drivers getting the idea that the future is measured in amps, not decibels. i already had a guy in a seriously modded corvette wanting to flat out buy my raven after a 10 minute ride along as i could beat him at the lights without even trying and with 3 kids in the back.
@@SupremeRuleroftheWorld Well rationally EV is the smarter choice for daily tasks and accelerations might be good but they sure ain't good for the battery and acceleration is where it stops not the overall speed.
Well I'm talking about most drivers, I'm talking about the select few who wrench hours on their shitboxs , drive late nights to get a clean stretch on the roads and to those who get their thrill only behind the wheel.
I'm asking can the EV appeal to them to make the shift ?
@@mohammadyaqoob746 my previous ev had 400k miles on it before i got rear ended. It was driven hard battery wise and it still was in good nick. These old arguments simply are not true anymore. Lets see how good a car with 400k on it still preforms. Mine had 0 power loss, just 10% less range. If you drive a lot you quixkly get fed up from that engine noise once you have driven a ev that does not have that. Its just a better experince in dialy life.
Nvm the fact that Tesla literally said "You can use our charging networks no problem, we'd like to standardize them and open them for use to other manufacturers". But most decided to go with Electrify America or a pump standard that can barley maintain 50wh
this was interesting and he hit the nail on the head in the beginning. guessed the order, but not the time (honestly didnt really guess a time, but that was better than id have expected) would be curious if there would be a greater difference between a car with better fuel mileage and add in a hybrid.
This is such a classic top gear idea! Love this so much!!
the charging stations outside Tesla's supercharging network needs some serious quality control. It's like they don't even care about it working.
Tesla cars need quality control
@@AhmedAkram903 not true. their quality control is fine. just cause you see people complaining doesnt mean it happens all the time. Every one of my friends that owns one never had any issues. I owned a Merc previously, and it had tons of problems for a car that cost $30k more
@@CSDoge1080 Teslas literally have huge panel gaps and miscolored panels
@@AhmedAkram903 I, along with all of my friends have never had those issues. Again, your argument is anecdotal because it rarely happens.
@@AhmedAkram903 That's mostly American quality control, and also they've gotten better over time. The Chinese built models are pretty decent.
Great comparison. Hopefully one day the chargers and standards are the same so it makes this much easier.
you look like a professional UA-camr. can you give me 501 dollar?
In Europe it's all CCS at this point (Teslas can use other chargers, but not reverse, due to billing process). North America is all CCS (but a different one than in Europe...it's complicated) except Tesla. CHAdeMO is pretty much dead except Japan I think, and China has their own connector.
But honestly, considering how young the industry still is, it's already very well standardized. The only thing that's "missing" is for Tesla to switch to CCS in North America, which will hopefully happen sooner than later. Would be sensible to do this at the same time as they're opening up the Supercharger network to other carmakers, which will definitely happen. The plug isn't as elegant, but commonality is more important imo.
@@jonashageboke8993 Tesla will be opening its supercharger network to all OEMs.
@@pr5owner lol, the Plaid wasn’t going 170 mph. They had agreed upon max speeds, etc. Use your brain next time before making stupid comments.
This will be the next big hurdle for EVs. Imagine going to fill us with gas and all of the chevy nozzles are broken.
Excellent video Marques. This is really informative.
We did a similar trip in 2021 summer. The gaps between Syracuse and Buffalo heading east made it almost impossible to travel by EV. Eastbound had (July) half the EV charger DC availability on the turnpike that the westbound route did. I see why you avoided it!! Also - if you don't put in the supercharger as your destination, it will not pre-condition the battery and use up necessary range. Put it nearby!
The animation at the beginning showing the map and the cars in colors is INSANE
SO DAMM BEAUTIFUL
Edit: thanks marques!
you just got rid of the heart by editing your comment
@@qasidkashif7175 just noticed... Didn't know that's how it goes :(
@@yairgreen2633 never knew about that feature. that's a really good thing too, because if it wasn't a thing, a lot of people can edit it to say something vulgar and make the channel owner look bad because he hearted it.
@@hisfatness522 Right... Still sucks I lost the ❤️
"Under promise, over deliver" is my life motto.
mine is "over promise, under deliver"
Mine is "under promise, under deliver"
XD
@@lucasceleste4743 hahah Same
“Under Promise, Over Deliver” is my Life Motto.
This is exactly the question I asked myself, thanks for addressing this! It would be great if you do this again but in winter!
I'm starting to appreciate the moments I have while charging. I get to explore a bit more with the given charge estimation period. After all, I am on a road trip and sight seeing is part of it
On every road trip I do, my car is finished charging before I've finished eating/resting/toilet break etc.
As long as the charging network is there, it's really not hard. Nearly 2 years in my Tesla now, and won't go back to petrol/gas.
Edit - I have two young children, there’s no way I’m driving for more than 3/4 hours without a stop anyway.
I saw lakes of Tesla's when traveling on northern Ontario. The issue is your limited to not going anywhere off the 17 because of the distance between the Chargers..m
love your videos man, your road trips inspired us to get a jaguar I-pace to try that electric life but dad wanted to be a bit different than the popular teslas. 😂😂
Except you need to stop more often even if you don't need stop to eat/toilet break
I do not like to stop LOL
Us too since we got 3 kids we have to stop every 2 hours anyway and it takes at least 20 min for bathroom break and leg stretching. Ice free household 2 Teslas home.
Some perspective for European viewers in terms of prices:
1 Liter of gasoline in western Europe is around 1.5€, while it is 0.8€ in the USA. That means it is over 50% more expensive to use gas in Europe than the USA. So total gas cost for the road trip would equate to 109€ for the whole roadtrip.
Thanks for sharing!
That's why people in Europe prefer EV than Gas Cars....
@@Mr.DISRESPECT Well, in Germany the electricity price is 3 times as high as in the US
Yet, in Greece electricity is 1/3rd. So the gas price would be 180$ and the charging cost 20$
@@PietsmietFan12 yup and I don’t understand why
This video is HUGE for me. Been looking at the Mach-e and F150 Lightning, but road trips are a must for me. This is a great breakdown of what it looks like irl.
Until every gas station has EV chargers I’m not buying them. Tbh it should be a no brainer, sell electricity and encourage more people to buy stuff in the gas station.
I love to Watch. Them moving like a comparison vlog Rather than Getting Explained everything
These map visuals are next level 🔥
What with the sx bot tf
It would be really cool to do this annually and compare the progression of each type of ev!
He should add a 4th car diesel like the V6 Audi from Scott Kilmer NGcSiuOoE1o
@@Joe3D I mean Diesel engines would probably blow all of them out of the water as far as range goes, but do you think Diesel engine tech improves enough every year to do that annually?
@@calebmeyer616 gasoline won't improve either, electrification is not an improvement, plus little less consumption is not compensated by much higher prices and repair costs.
@@Joe3D well electrification brings about better torque, improved acceleration, and generalized improvements to driving experience, but I was just referring to the range and such.
@@calebmeyer616 you have to count everything. Plus they didn't account for initial car cost and insurances, maintenances, etc.
Loved this test!! I have ordered a Tesla MYLR which will be my first EV. Actually I’m not surprised by the result: if you go electric, unfortunately you can only rely on Tesla if you want to have a “worry free” transition because of the supercharger and its network, as you showed in the video
Francesco … I’ve had my MY a week ! Love it .
The seats aren’t great if you are tall and sentry mode flattens your battery fast ! But overall … it’s a bloody great car and better than the BMW X5 it replaced
@@maxflight777 My my my!
Good work. Very informative. Thank you.
I've done several Tesla road trips and I always try to stay at hotels with destination chargers so you wake up with 100% charge and save even more time. I love electric road trips!
Are you able to reserve the charger plug just for you?
That's what they did on the grand tour and they were miserable because they hated the place they had to stay in and the things that were nearby. I know its a TV series but its a valid trade off.
@@Alex-qx7jn I wasn’t able to but there were always spots open
@@myles2494 I love those guys but they will shit on EVs any chance they get, lol. There are plenty of decent hotels with chargers. Even the nice ones with valet have free charging, just ask the valet to changer it for you and give him a tip. You can see when they plug it in and set all of the charging stats from your phone. Airbnb can filter by charging and the places are nice.
@@myles2494 Thats cuz the rimac doesn’t have good range and there weren’t many chargers back when they filmed it. Today there are 10x the amount of chargers than at the time!
Wow I didn't expect Tesla charge costs to be relatively close to gas costs 😅
same. for a while i thought the main selling point of EV's were that you wouldnt have to pay for gas. but theyre almost exactly the same price to refuel or recharge
@@niyazmazin5102 I think charging at home would be a lot cheaper, but road trips with superchargers would be more expensive.
its america, where petrol is cheap as fuck.
In the Netherlands, the difference is about 2-3:1 because of gas prices (and supercharging is .25 eurocents per kwh here).
On roadtrips the savings get lost a little, he said he avg 33cents/kw supercharging. At home I can charge for 9cents/kw during off peak hours
Thanks for making such a comprehensive and informative video, it helped me a lot and also confirmed one of my biggest fears about owning an EV. Lack of chargers and what charger there are are apparently often not working and as you mentioned, you could arrive at a charger and find it out of order and be stuck.
THIS. THIS is the most helpful video I've seen since 2020!!!
Next Purchase will be EV. Full charging at home + Solar on the roof + Induction stove tops = efficient.
Good plan chef
Hell yeah just dont go broke........ A lot of this stuff all at once would be really expensive just keep that in mind and space out your payments and such and plan ahead alright. Leave yourself a safety buffer etc like THEY SHOULD BE TEACHING MORE IN SCHOOL
New video idea ???
Initial cost will be very high
you forgot the tesla power wall and converting your heating system to full electric! (slight sarcasm)
"I wanna know what your next car purchase will be"
Me- * Looks at wallet *
A 1997 Nissan
shit. at least you got that
Me- * Looks at wallet *
A 1997 Bike
Felt this
The most environmentally friendly option: walking
@@josephjuanaliagavalenzuela2345 Me- *Looks at Wallet*
A 1997 Bus Pass
An informative video, as always. How about using your vast skills to create a narrative abut the future if gas vehicles keep emissions on an upward slope? I live near an airport and busy highway and all I can envision is the constant plume of carbon filling the atmosphere. OPEC pumps out the fuels, we pump the exhausts into the air -The ballon keeps filling up…
Just saw this video. Great idea and very interesting results. TO keep things more even, I would like like to see a Model Y Long Range instead of Model S Plaid in the comparison. My next car will be a Model Y Long Range. I dont take too many long trips, especially during these times, but my expereicne with the Tesla Supercharger network has been very good with my 2019 Model 3 Dual Motor
Hell yeah. I actually did my college capstone project on charging infrastructure in the Adirondacks and mapping out optimal locations for future infrastructure. It's fun watching it play out IRL.
having multiple charging standards is insane and slows down the adoption of EV's
Well EV'e problem is not only charging the batteries for them are made out of material that is quickly running out and to produce that amount of electricity you need to burn a lot more fosil fuel.
this is what happens when car companies are a quarter interested/invested in EV's. They just seem to all be trying to come out with and EV with out a way to properly charge them.
Europe Union have a law that states all electric cars must have the same charging port design, so you can charge at any station in any European country, as opposed to usa where there are company specific charging stations (BMW or Audi etc)
@@Modelo646 Who asked?
@@laden6675 I could ask you the same thing
Thank you man for your great service and video
Driving 400-500 miles for 20 min video
Great useful test. Thanks team!
I’ve had my model Y for like 5 months now and I still haven’t been to a super charger
Where do you live?
@@m77mmdd19 😳
ok
Lmao
I’ve taken my Mach E on 3 road trips and only had to use the EA charger twice. It’s amazing that we can charge up at home. I’m just on trickle charge at home and Ive never been worried about range. I love EVs!
Something to note: If allowed to refuel/ recharge to 100% overnight, the gap would be even closer between the gas and the tesla.
Yea but it takes 25 to 30mins to charge for gas 10 mins for full tank..I stay with gas
What's stopping you from refueling your car the night before or the morning of in like 5mins. It really would not have made as much of a difference as people are saying. +-10% delta
100 % everytime kills battery fast
we should avoid charging lithium ion batteries over 80% for longevity
True, but I think he wanted a scenario where there wasn’t special planning for a charger at the hotel.
Good job. Well done. Very informative. 😊
Nice work, great video. I'm waiting on a Tesla Cybertruck and everything I'm tracking tells me by 2024 the experience will be better than a gas guzzler in general and maybe even on par for long trips. Starting every day 100% will be enough for me almost every day of the year.
I feel so bad for those in the Mustang - I’d be pulling my hair out with full road rage after hitting so many obstacles.
Simple, don't buy the fake ripoff and just buy a tesla.
@@official_pol2198
fake rip off: no.
Inferior: yes.
Lmfaoooo I thought they had turned around and gone back.
@@MauricioBarragan lmao bruh !
@@MauricioBarragan haha that's definitely what I would've done!
Loved the trip visualisation! Super cool! One thing I always try to do is charge up at my destination, that's is one of the USPs of having an EV - charge anywhere! Pretty sure if you had charged up overnight every time you stopped, the gap between the Audi and the EVs would have been even smaller.
Love this video. I actually saw you in Cheektowaga!
I love this analysis. So spot on. I am currently doing a research at school about EV cars for a car brand and I was wandering what was the outcome of the poll on "what will be your next car purchase?" If you don't mind sharing, my team and I would like to use your findings for our research project. If this sounds like something you will like to discuss in detail, let me know what is your best mode of communication and I will reach out to you. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks!
I like how you actually got there with 1 mile left like you had nothing to lose if you didn’t make it :))
Exactly what I was thinking. I never go much below 5 to 10%.... same as with a gasoline car you don't go to the last drop (unlike Kramer in the Seinfeld episode where he goes on a test drive with a car salesman...)
Realistically Tesla's have a buffer below 0 larger than any other manufacturer (26 miles on model 3 tested by Edmunds), not that it's recommended
What's 1 mile to kilometers?
@@marnzm 1.6 km
@@dietermg6339 The difference in a Tesla is that the closer you get to your destination, the more accurate its estimation is. So by the time Marques decided to pass by a Supercharger, he knew he was going to make it. That kind of accuracy can't be done on gas cars.
As someone who has driven his Mustang Mach-E across the country, the first thing I did was disable non DC-fast charging on the onboard navigation app and had no issues with the 1.5k mile drive.
We actually did the same, and their second trickle charger was mis-labeled as a fast charger
@@mkbhd you clever boii
@@mkbhd Maybe I haven't hit that part of the video, but guessing for Tesla and Mach E you only used the built-in navigation for routing to chargers? This is why I use Plugshare and ABRP, but that doesn't dismiss the mislabeled and non-functioning chargers. This part needs to catch up and quickly, not just for Ford, but all EVs.
Edit: just hit where on the 2nd leg they used their own apps, this is why I should wait until the video is done. 🙃
@@mkbhd Well that sucks. I'm glad Electrify America was a good solution when headed back though, as I found them as well as Francis (only in the midwest) to be the fastest and most reliable when I did my drive.
You drove your Mach-E across the country OMG are you serious.
From having owned 4 EVs over the last 12 years (basically since modern production EVs have existed). I would say that my next 5 cars will be electric. But It's been a hell of a uphill battle to get even to where we are now and, imo we are still in the early years.
There are two MAJOR factors that MUST change for wide-spread adoption (not just enthusiasts and the wealthy)
(1) EV Charging must be as ubiquitous as Gasoline stations; people need to be able to find (functional) stations, even in remote, rural locations
(2) EV Charging must be at least as fast as 150 kW; people need to be able to fill up in a reasonable time, less than 30 mins for at least 80% charge.
Although batteries are still quite costly, I think that BMW had a good idea by including a battery that as at least 20% larger than necessary, allowing for the middle 80% to be the primary fill space, and that all charging could be DC Fast Charge.
Great video. Thanks for doing this comparative research
The problem is the amount of power needed to charge these cars. If you had one station only for charging no gas but same layout. 10-20 charging stations. If ten cars showed up to charge all at once. Or if a few got there early. The first cars to plug in would get charged normally, once the rest plug in the amount of power output to the chargers would decrease and or fluctuate between cars. So not all would get and equal chwrge. The load could not manage equal power output to all. So some maybe full charge in 45-1:30 or whatever. The last person would be there for hours. Plus all EV chargers use energy created by fossil fuel which makes me laugh. But biggest problem will be energy storage. Plus fast charging and all this raising the amps and all that into the cars battery will degrade it much faster than a steady flow charge for an hour or whatever. I was just at a IEEE green tech conference. The other problem is we literally can’t make the energy/power needed to charge every vehicle in America if they all became electric tomorrow. Tbh I feel the same people now yelling at oil companies and fossil fuels will be yelled at in 40 years due to batteries and their contents not decomposing and filling pits with hazardous waste. Lotta battery acid will go into the ocean and soil. That 30 minutes is a good goal but long term is very harmful to the battery packs. Or the 200 miles in 15 minutes for elons new packs is good but long term it will shorten the life of the battery.
May I ask, why you have gone through so many Ev's in such a short period of time?
@@sikolikhole heh 😅 there's a story for everything. But because I don't want to write another novel in the comments, let's just say that life circumstances dont always allow me to keep stuff. 🤷♂️
Gas prices rn might help
@@youssef24231 ideally a refill should be 3-7 minutes (to match petrol), my comment probably could have been, 'at most 30 mins'
I recently did a 750 mile trip (each way) in a Performance Model 3. On the way there I did like you and just trusted the nav. On the way back I stopped at basically every supercharger, which was every 150-200 miles, along the way. I found that stopping more frequently for shorter periods of time was actually better. Being able to stretch every couple of hours was nice and each stop only took about 10-15 minutes. The whole trip only took about and hour longer than the Google maps estimate.
That’s fine if you don’t need to go 10 minutes out of the way for the supercharger,
That's probably my charging complaint about Tesla. In my Teslas was the same as you, but in Taycan I can drive 240 miles at 85 mph and then charge back to 80% in 20 mins then drive 240 miles again etc. A higher average charging rate is better and I wish tesla would let you choose between quick half charge and high average charge for longer stops.
I think this is how most people road trip their EVs. It’s a bold strategy going below 30% Tesla or not.
@@AB-ts2xd you seem to not understand what he ment.
@@realMysta huh? Tesla’s charge faster than a tycan to 80%, just look it up.
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that's what Kevin said
Mr Ballin
bots promoting cafe?
@@ZakvielStreams you didn’t get the joke whoooops
I read it with kevin's voice
Marques, I have always been a frequent viewer of your channel and many other channels. I must say that in my opinion with time your videos have become THE most informative videos on UA-cam. About my next purchase? I just purchased a gas engine car. I think EV technology is still under development and I am not ready to make the transition yet.
This was fun maybe next time if you do this again do challenges along the way. I’m not quite sure what you can add idk but reminded me of top gear and I loved those.
Charging at a fast charger over 90% is crazy in terms of time efficiency, due to the charging curve. A Better Route Planner is a must have!
Yes, A Better Route Planner would advise you to charge more often with smaller charge amounts. When I drive to San Diego which is 500 miles or so, I charge twice. I could make it in 1 charge but that charge would take longer than the 2 charges. I would guess that Marques could have cut off 15-20 minutes by stopping twice on the 1st day
In a perfect world, I'd love for my next car to be electric. They're just not at a price point yet that I could reasonably afford.
Tara tigor ev , Indian giant Tata makes electric cars now , they also own land rover and jaguar....
Gas car is cheaper for now
If you don’t need much room, look at aptera.
Get a used EV they're dirt cheap, the amount I was paying to fuel up is the same I pay for my car
Main problem where I'm from is the charging for sure. If you live in the capital then you're good. Anywhere else you're pretty much screwed
Thank you so much for this!
it sucks i missed this, just knowing you drove through my area has got me geeking.
Bjorn Nyland (Norway) does 1000km challenges regularly when comparing EVs.
This will be an interesting video to watch.
Bjorn knows the charging infrastructures on his routes, it is more of a best case scenario, where only charging speed and consumption decides the time. On unknown routes functional and well placed chargers are much more important then 10% higher consumption.
@@Psi-Storm also the non tesla charging infrastructure is way better in norway then us but you can encounter ques tho since theres so many non tesla ev`s in Norway.
@@danielstefanovic2604 Norway here and can confirm this. The US seems to be so far behind in EV infrastructure.
Norway is just very fast. Germany is pretty bad as well. Wish it was more like in Norway.
Bjørn Nyland is so funny
“GAS VS ELECTRIC”
JerryRigEverything: presses the accelerator of his electric Hummer.
I think that is not finished yet. 😂
Hope he finishes his projet soon !
😂 😂 😂 😂
@@kemoldoinc9845 *project. 😂
You should do a 1 year later comparison for this one soon! Would be interesting to see what has changed in a year.
Hmmm... thought there'd be a bigger difference in the cost of the trip. I'm contemplating buying the Y, but this video makes me think. Thank you for the content.
Need to do this again with JerryRigEverything's Humvee when it's done
Oh no
🤣 Imagine Humvee with extra batteries.
He might need another few days LMAO
Lol that be a scoop for audiences and goverment will shocked
Had a 7900+ mile road trip in my Tesla in August. Been a Tesla owner since 2015, and it's much easier to take road trips now compared to when I first got my car with the expansion of the supercharger Network.
Still gas cars are way more convenient. I never spend more than 5 minutes at the pump. I don't have to plan the trip. I just drive the car.
Very interesting Documentary.. Thank you Sir.
Great video, I am definitely late in respoinding, but my next purchase is actually a gas powered motorcyle, with a 5.5 or larger tank. I plan to use as my daily driver as well as my solo trip vehicle. I DO want step in the the realm of EV, but quite a few variables to consider as you pointed out in this video. Thanks.
I'd *much* rather have a car underestimate how far it can go, than overestimating.
but..but marketing...
@@hsiang4236 but customer experience and satisfaction
@@The_Remster Normally yes, but this is a car and most people won't sell their car just because the fuel economy was overestimated
Does it matter than the distance between Tesla stations is like on average 50 miles, all of them work and all maintain 150kwh minimum?
If I'm 55 miles away, and the car display a 70 mile range left, then yes it does. It might make someone skip the last charging station that they could possibly reach.
The anxiety of 1% battery left! 📈📈📈
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Kramer: Listen to me. When that car rolls into that dealership, and that tank is bone dry, I want you to be there with me when everyone says, "Kramer and that other guy, oh, they went further to the left of the slash than anyone ever dreamed!" [car makes puttering noises]
HAHAHA!! Great reference
Tesla's displayed range/state-of-charge has bottom buffer. So even at 0% state of charge, the car will still be able to go a little bit more.
1% is nuts.... I don't like going under 10%...
@@pedantic79 I've seen images of Teslas running at -3%
Bro, it was worse than 1%, it was 1 *mile* of range 12:09
I think things get a little different when you aren't trying to get there as fast as possible. If you do half-hour breaks for food, and if you plan out the hotels to use ones that have chargers, things get a lot closer.
nice comparison, please next time add a hybrid car also, i think it will beat the others on cost of the trip and time because less stops for refueling.
Excellent! Bummer the Mach-E software isn't well developed yet to give you the best recommendations. Hopefully they can fix that soon. 100% agree tho, when it comes to long distance road trips, nothing beats Tesla in the US
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@Marques brownlee Channel pinned what do u mean marques brownlee cahnnel pinned, u got pinned on his video?
It doesnt seem like its the software's issue in the Ford, had they asked for a charger and got taken to an empty lot, sure. But the charger being down is a completely different issue. A similar issue that used to happen to Tesla owners some years back. The real issue is in standards.
For liquid fuel its the same. Any car that uses gasoline can get gasoline at any pump. Not really the case with electric cars.
A gas car beats the Tesla..
Should've thrown in a hybrid as well. The hybrid 7 series or 5 series can do upwards of nearly 1000 miles on a single fuel up. A dude posted a video of taking his 7 series over 900 miles on a single tank which is insane. Certain there are other hybrids out there that can do the same, if not better. Would be entertaining to see how those would fair in this competition.
Maybe the fastest but probably not by much considering people still need food, even if their cars don't.
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@@destituteanddecadent9106 Yes, and bathroom breaks. And with an EV you can visit the bathroom and buy/eat your food while the car is charging but you are required to stand at the fuel bowser.
@@robsengahay5614 Fueling only takes like a couple of minutes that's why there's no need for you to leave your car. While electrics need considerably more amount of time so you cannot just wait there so you HAVE to go eat or shop something.
I'm not against electrics but don't takeaway a few benefits that gasoline cars have.
@@usmantariq7997 Seriously though it isn’t a benefit. Since driving an EV I have learned to appreciate taking a 20-30 minute stop every 3-4 hours. Properly stretch my legs and take a break.
I have realised how dangerously I used to drive and now wince when I hear comments about driving 10 hours with one 5-10 minute stop to refuel a gas car as it brings back memories.
I just drove a long range model 3 back from Vegas to la through Death Valley. It got to a point where I cut my AC and rerouted from Baker to Yermo. First time I ever experienced range anxiety.
Great vid. This was clearly a lot of effort and time to put together, but it winds up showing the real world difference between gas and EVs. By all rights, road-tripping is rare and most people only do it once or twice a year (if that). I also think that in the time since this video has come out, it's become obvious gas prices are going to go up again.
Really, this just goes to show (to me) that most EVs are designed fundamentally wrong. The goal should not be to remove gasoline from the picture completely, but to remove it from commutes. I think a supercapacitor plug in hybrid is probably the "ideal" car, as the real objective should be to allow your average person's commute (~50 miles) to be 100% electric and around 50 MPG equivalent when running an internal gas generator, with about a 5 gallon tank. The real world difference between such a car and a pure electric is inconsequential in terms of gas usage, but the utility is much higher.
I wonder if you still believe this a year or whatever later? The cost (and weight and size) of adding in an almost never used ICE engine really doesn't seem like the ideal for just about anyone, actually. The added benefit of having 5 backup gallons comes at a direct cost of how many batteries you can pack into the car. You're not just straight adding 250 miles.
Even in this video, you see that the real world difference over two days and 1000 miles is 8%. EIGHT PERCENT! And then Marques put a 10% plus/minus error bar on it LOL. In other words... it's just not a problem generally. In the time since, EV ranges have gone up, Superchargers have gotten more prevalent, and gas has gotten more expensive.
To be fair, I think it's reasonable to keep plug in hybrids as an option for those people who really do need super, super long range (600-700 miles on a tank?). That's just plain not the VAST majority of people.
Would love to see a winter version of this video!
Gas car would have definitely distanced itself more in the lead for sure
100% this! Please make it happen team 🙏
It's clear what would happen, you don't need that...
I'd love to see a realistic version of this where they drive @ 80mph like normal people actually do on a road trip.
@@anthonybielobockie4991 Normal people are driving in kmh not mph. ;-)
Electric cars: fastest to accelerate last to arrive
Besides the other 99% of driving, where they never stop for gas and have a full tank every morning for daily driving, while gas cars have to stop to fill up every week?
Coincidentally, that's also my Tinder bio
@@stevenday2067 I see what you mean but I can get so much better cars with that kinda of money. And filling up gas like twice or three times a month isn’t a deal breaker for me.
@@xoxoj actually you would be spending less time refueling than charging. Gas stations only take 1-2 minutes while Tesla take 40-50 minutes to supercharge. Tesla is very bad for road trips as it lengthen the time by several hours longer
@@alissataylor6029 I actually like Tesla cars too but all these Tesla fan boys trashing ice cars like its the worse thing ever, and talk about how clean Evs are but evs arent that clean if you look deeper into it. If they really cared about the earth then they should start biking lmao. And btw Tesla fan boys are the worst, its like having a Tesla is their personality lol. Teslas are alright but the fans on the internet are the worse
We have a model Y Performance and we just picked up a model S plaid and we are going on a road trip for about 1500 miles later this month. Excited to see how it goes. And we are going to take the Plaid.
you should do more TechTrip videos 😍🖤
Would have been interesting to have charged the EVs at the hotel while staying overnight since that is a distinct advantage over the ICE cars. You could fill the car before stopping for the day, but that time should then be recorded for the total time spent on the road trip. The EVs would charge without wasting time since they would charge while sleeping. I suppose the difference would only be 10-20 minutes, but still something to consider when doing long road trips with overnight stops.
That was done to break up the monotony of the drive. 1000 miles in 1 day and 1 continuous trip is well within the bounds of single day trips some people take. But for production he split theirs up. But in the theoretical real world single day 1000 miles the overnight charging is not an advantage offered.
Just no? Cherry picking hotel that offered charging would have made for a much more unrealistic test
Exactly. He took all the disadvantages electric cars have but none of the advantages. Still, good video.
10 min at a max. Filling up at a gas station does not take a long time, contrary to what people who haven’t filled up a gas tank in a hot min would tell you lmao.
I think people are missing the point of the test. To see if an EV could do what people "normally" consider a "normal" road trip because it's about range anxiety. OF COURSE, if you own an EV, you're going to consider the charging but you're already bought into the whole EV concept. He's trying to convince ICE owners.
One thing to keep in mind is that, even though road trips are slightly longer in an EV, it doesn’t compare to all of the time saved by never having to go to the gas station during everyday life. I’ll take an extra few minutes at a rest stop on an occasional road trip over weekly trips to the pump every time.
Ohhh that a very good point . But you need to fill up like once a month so not a huge benefit.
This only applies to people with EV charging at home. If you live in an apartment or something this argument actually gets flipped upside down and favors ICE by a large margin.
Though if the stars align for you it's a nice feature to have.
@@aryadhole uh... I fill up easily once a week. I get about 400 miles per tank and drive about 70 miles on work days.
If you're only filling up once a month you're barely using your car.
Instead of spending time at a gas station every 3 or 4 weeks, I would be spending time every time I drive plugging in my car. I fail to see the time saving here.
@@alexanderpinney also not everybody does this kinda of milage every day. Also not everybody live in USA.
Great comparison and video. I get it’s not scientific but it supports anecdotal experiences other drivers have shared. My favorite takeaway is the Tesla EPA rating vs the ford.
This was a really dope experiment. I'd actually wondered about this. I'm not sure I'm ready to go all electric yet.
LOVED the animations on the map! That made it so much easier to follow the progress. Well done! AND, EVs only for me in the future.
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Or watch it at a faster speed
I live in Colorado and do big road trips in the west - many to Montana and Idaho. We typically do our 1,000 mile road trips in one day. I drive a Subaru with around 35/mpg and at least 450 mile range. We often stop once, maybe twice for gas and fast food. Best time is slightly under 15 hours. As soon as an EV that handles as well in the snow can do that, for not too much more money, then I'm there.
Thanks, very well done vidéo, clear, informative, without pre-judgment. Hope to watch the next occurrence of this test.
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One thing regarding the way you planned the charging. I would say that on a normal roadtrip, time is Split in mandater stops. If it Last more than a Day than, you select Nice hotel to add fun to this journey, and you need to stop for lunch, and here this is more like asking in the car when familly People want to eat. To me the ev roadtripper game is to match those mandatory stops with the charging session so that the charging time is more seemless. At least this is how i’m,planning to do. So select only hôtels where you have a descent charging capabilities so that overnight battery is full and ready to go.
But your charging network comment is really true.... tesla is much more reliable... But situation is evolving quickly.
Let’s hope for the best
This was really interesting. Can you please repeat such a road trip on a cold/snow day during winter when the time comes? That would provide even greater insight.
And charging the EV's at the motel to full battery.
As someone who just bought a car (Mazda3 2019) the only factor I would need to buy an electric car is for the pricing to come down just a bit more. Like, the $15,000-30,000 range. I’d also need my own place so I can charge it while at home… at my apartment, we don’t have that luxury.
Tesla is working on a 25k hatchback. It’s said to come out in 2022-23 ish but it’s first gonna come to china and then the us and europe etc
Look into Aptera they have more range for less and can charge up to 40 miles in solar over a sunny day
Thanks for the fabulous range comparison review. I'm definitely on board with Electric...Ford Lightning/ Silverado EV
I would've liked to see a hybrid added into this experiment. Also, thank you for adding the cost of gas and charging. I live in a cold climate and to run out of gas or electricity can cause you your life in remote areas. I like the idea of electric cars, but I feel the infrastructure hasn't matured and for that reason, I would go with a hybrid of some sort.
Kinda wish they added a hybrid vehicle to the mix just to show that perspective as well.
Hybrid is just gas with extra steps
@@sktwister14 and usually greater range as well no?
@@megazillia not to a gas engine no
@@sktwister14 um what?
Yes, I have a hybrid that has a 560 mile range and it would've done this trip in a out half the time. It takes gas as no EV charge
Seeing Marques channeling top gear energy restores my faith in humanity, Love your content man, always keep it up.
YEEESSSSS more top gear vids from mkbhd
Top Gear energy? Seriously? You sound like you've never watched TG but are vaguely aware that the show features road trips.
@@reanetsemoleleki8219 yeah, energy is very different. Just the road trip with three somewhat completing cars aspect.
Well he actually partnered with Top Gear recently so there's that.
Please recreate this in 2023 and charge at the hotels/overnight stops. This is one of the biggest advantages of an EV
Yea, this was quite irritating, mostly because it wasn't mentioned why they avoided it (if to simulate a stay where it's not an option, fine, but at least mention it because it's becoming more and more common, let alone people can look for places where it as option and book there (where appropriate)).
Just as with not starting with full battery. Many people (all who have at-home charging) would start the day with a full battery, when they're going on a roadtrip. Quite odd.
Would love to see a 2 year update
This is such an important video. I hope that all of the EV manufacturers study this to improve the experience.
Surprised a company as far reaching and capable as Ford doesn't better execute to make sure their first EV customers have an experience worth recommending to friends.
Surely some inexpensive, off the shelf IoT devices could report if stations are down.
Heck, pay the minimum wage employees at local Ford dealers to drop in on the stations several times a day to update their status.
It wouldn't cost much to provide more accurate data to Ford drivers and it would make for a much better experience.
This is exactly why we need a standardized charge port and charging system, to avoid this nightmare.
I will be getting a Rivian as my next vehicle. But I worry about the charging experience as you just outlined. I find myself torn between tesla because it's fleshed out and other evs for their looks and what I'd prefer in a vehicle. I hate that I feel forced to choose tesla in order to get a good experience. More to the point I hate having to pick a car based on their charging network. I would never buy a gas car based on the gas station I can use!
The common charge port is ccs. Works fine in Europe. Upside for Tesla owners is that they can also use other charge networks.
Most important result about this test is that the quality of the charge network is important. And a bunch of broken chargers is not helping.
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Gas stations are going to become like Phone booths.
Rivian needs to figure out how to manufacture a vehicle first there buddy.
@@stephena5752 You do realize that they are already doing that right?
This was interesting. I like your channel Marques.
This video really put things into perspective for someone looking to get an EV. Personally I will be looking into Hybrid vehicles a lot more after this video.
Take into account the maintenance of a hybrid and the availability to self service that vehicle
The visualization of how the route and the different cars blew my mind, soooo niceeely done and editing . Huge props for that one.