I think you should have let the EVs charge to max at the hotel. Since that's one of the perks of an EV. Most hotels have at least one destination charger that'll work with either plug.
I was wondering about that too. But they would only save on one charging time and it had to be a perfect stop to maximize that. If they arrived with half battery then they're only charging up half.
@Jan 6 was "Wall Street Putsch" part 2 But the price tho, you can get a dirt cheap gas car. The electric cars are so expensive. And what about the places where you cant install a charger at home, or the places where there are a low amount of electric chargers?
It’s interesting but he also has to be careful not to veer of too much because when people subscribe to the channel they expect a certain type of genre
Everyone missed how unscientific this comparison is. Gas guzzler SUV, base model mach e, and top end tesla. Of course the top end tesla does better than the base tesla, more motors = better. He should have used average people cars and trims.
I would love to see this done again as a part 2 with them having the knowledge that the maps don't work well, especially since the issues on the first leg with the mache e really messed up the 2nd leg, would also love to see the extended range/dual motor models
I feel like to this point knowing that only Electrify America chargers are decent, there's no difference between a Tesla and a another EV that uses EA chargers. We seldom go out road tripping. We're usually city dwellers, and this video showed the important hack for non-Tesla EVs to take into account. It's good to have options.
💯 and for those of us with either a casual interest or limited attention, a 3m video synopsis of just those graphics (and explanatory dialogue) would be great! Perhaps add a graphic (bar+line chart) of refuel cost & time, with apt comment about EV charged while eating, while checking into hotel, etc. (if/where applicable).
Yeah this will be a nice little video to bookmark and send to people who say EV can't do road trips. I mean I prefer Tesla but the Mach E performed extraordinarily well IMO.
In Europe it's all CCS at this point (Teslas can use other chargers, but not reverse, due to billing process). North America is all CCS (but a different one than in Europe...it's complicated) except Tesla. CHAdeMO is pretty much dead except Japan I think, and China has their own connector. But honestly, considering how young the industry still is, it's already very well standardized. The only thing that's "missing" is for Tesla to switch to CCS in North America, which will hopefully happen sooner than later. Would be sensible to do this at the same time as they're opening up the Supercharger network to other carmakers, which will definitely happen. The plug isn't as elegant, but commonality is more important imo.
Very interesting and educating. I was contemplating electric vs gas for my next car but then there are hybrid and diesel options -- it would be cool to add those to the mix.
That would be interesting. I daily drive a diesel truck and you’d be surprised at the amount of stations that don’t have diesel in some areas. Sometimes I have to settle for a truck stop where it’s a lot more expensive
@@laneblount9888 I own an Hybrid Volvo XC40, and it would 100% have the same outcome as the Audi. Since when the battery is dead, it just uses the normal engine. The downside possible is that the hybrid might have needed to stop for gas one additional time since the tank normally is not as big, but otherwise it would not be different.
I agree. I would love to see something like this with conventional and plug-in hybrids and maybe some other types of EVs, such as a tiny econobox and a larger SUV or truck.
Thank you for doing this! It's so difficult to recommend a non-Tesla EV when none of the non-Tesla EVs don't take the user experience of charging seriously. Really hope EA & all the manufacturers up their game if they're looking for anyone to buy these cars (especially in the US, where occasional long trips are fairly normal).
@@mohammadyaqoob746 from personal experience a lot of drivers dont care about the soul when they get utterly trashed at the lights by a EV. after seeing their dragstrip-ready hellcat or demon get absolutly de-stroyed by a glorified golf cart that mom uses to bring the kids to school and a costco run and operates at a fraction of the fuel cost you see plenty of drivers getting the idea that the future is measured in amps, not decibels. i already had a guy in a seriously modded corvette wanting to flat out buy my raven after a 10 minute ride along as i could beat him at the lights without even trying and with 3 kids in the back.
@@SupremeRuleroftheWorld Well rationally EV is the smarter choice for daily tasks and accelerations might be good but they sure ain't good for the battery and acceleration is where it stops not the overall speed. Well I'm talking about most drivers, I'm talking about the select few who wrench hours on their shitboxs , drive late nights to get a clean stretch on the roads and to those who get their thrill only behind the wheel. I'm asking can the EV appeal to them to make the shift ?
@@mohammadyaqoob746 my previous ev had 400k miles on it before i got rear ended. It was driven hard battery wise and it still was in good nick. These old arguments simply are not true anymore. Lets see how good a car with 400k on it still preforms. Mine had 0 power loss, just 10% less range. If you drive a lot you quixkly get fed up from that engine noise once you have driven a ev that does not have that. Its just a better experince in dialy life.
Nvm the fact that Tesla literally said "You can use our charging networks no problem, we'd like to standardize them and open them for use to other manufacturers". But most decided to go with Electrify America or a pump standard that can barley maintain 50wh
@@GreenWin88 never knew about that feature. that's a really good thing too, because if it wasn't a thing, a lot of people can edit it to say something vulgar and make the channel owner look bad because he hearted it.
Hell yeah. I actually did my college capstone project on charging infrastructure in the Adirondacks and mapping out optimal locations for future infrastructure. It's fun watching it play out IRL.
I’ve taken my Mach E on 3 road trips and only had to use the EA charger twice. It’s amazing that we can charge up at home. I’m just on trickle charge at home and Ive never been worried about range. I love EVs!
I’d love to see a similar comparison out West where the charging infrastructure isn’t as built up and the terrain is more challenging. Maybe Spokane to Yellowstone National Park or Denver to Salt Lake City. I know plenty of people that only road-trip for vacations and a lot of these could be in the west where there are more natural vacation destinations. Idk if y’all would have the time and budget to do this, but it’d be fun to see!
i did road trip with SR+ Tesla 3 2 years ago. Dallas -> Denver -> Yellowstone -> Salt Lake City -> Dallas. Only 1 stretch of leg was difficult, had to slow down to 55mph . with LR even that won't be a problem. This happened in late Fall, so it was snowing in Yellowstone
Search UA-cam for a roadtrip challenge between Tesla, Porsche, Kia and Ford between Denver and Las Vegas. The non-Tesla’s used Electrify America only and did run into some non-working chargers, but there was typically at least one that worked. Porsche came first, followed by the Tesla 3, Kia EV6, Tesla X and then Ford Mach-E. There was a difference of 1.5 hours between the fastest and slowest for the 750 mile road trip. Very good video. I have a Mach-E and will put more planning in before I take a long road trip and not trust just the Ford app.
@@Joe3D I mean Diesel engines would probably blow all of them out of the water as far as range goes, but do you think Diesel engine tech improves enough every year to do that annually?
@@calebmeyer616 gasoline won't improve either, electrification is not an improvement, plus little less consumption is not compensated by much higher prices and repair costs.
@@Joe3D well electrification brings about better torque, improved acceleration, and generalized improvements to driving experience, but I was just referring to the range and such.
Loved the trip visualisation! Super cool! One thing I always try to do is charge up at my destination, that's is one of the USPs of having an EV - charge anywhere! Pretty sure if you had charged up overnight every time you stopped, the gap between the Audi and the EVs would have been even smaller.
Some perspective for European viewers in terms of prices: 1 Liter of gasoline in western Europe is around 1.5€, while it is 0.8€ in the USA. That means it is over 50% more expensive to use gas in Europe than the USA. So total gas cost for the road trip would equate to 109€ for the whole roadtrip.
I'm starting to appreciate the moments I have while charging. I get to explore a bit more with the given charge estimation period. After all, I am on a road trip and sight seeing is part of it
@@AhmedAkram903 not true. their quality control is fine. just cause you see people complaining doesnt mean it happens all the time. Every one of my friends that owns one never had any issues. I owned a Merc previously, and it had tons of problems for a car that cost $30k more
On every road trip I do, my car is finished charging before I've finished eating/resting/toilet break etc. As long as the charging network is there, it's really not hard. Nearly 2 years in my Tesla now, and won't go back to petrol/gas. Edit - I have two young children, there’s no way I’m driving for more than 3/4 hours without a stop anyway.
I saw lakes of Tesla's when traveling on northern Ontario. The issue is your limited to not going anywhere off the 17 because of the distance between the Chargers..m
love your videos man, your road trips inspired us to get a jaguar I-pace to try that electric life but dad wanted to be a bit different than the popular teslas. 😂😂
Us too since we got 3 kids we have to stop every 2 hours anyway and it takes at least 20 min for bathroom break and leg stretching. Ice free household 2 Teslas home.
Loved this test!! I have ordered a Tesla MYLR which will be my first EV. Actually I’m not surprised by the result: if you go electric, unfortunately you can only rely on Tesla if you want to have a “worry free” transition because of the supercharger and its network, as you showed in the video
Francesco … I’ve had my MY a week ! Love it . The seats aren’t great if you are tall and sentry mode flattens your battery fast ! But overall … it’s a bloody great car and better than the BMW X5 it replaced
Well EV'e problem is not only charging the batteries for them are made out of material that is quickly running out and to produce that amount of electricity you need to burn a lot more fosil fuel.
this is what happens when car companies are a quarter interested/invested in EV's. They just seem to all be trying to come out with and EV with out a way to properly charge them.
Europe Union have a law that states all electric cars must have the same charging port design, so you can charge at any station in any European country, as opposed to usa where there are company specific charging stations (BMW or Audi etc)
I've done several Tesla road trips and I always try to stay at hotels with destination chargers so you wake up with 100% charge and save even more time. I love electric road trips!
That's what they did on the grand tour and they were miserable because they hated the place they had to stay in and the things that were nearby. I know its a TV series but its a valid trade off.
@@myles2494 I love those guys but they will shit on EVs any chance they get, lol. There are plenty of decent hotels with chargers. Even the nice ones with valet have free charging, just ask the valet to changer it for you and give him a tip. You can see when they plug it in and set all of the charging stats from your phone. Airbnb can filter by charging and the places are nice.
@@myles2494 Thats cuz the rimac doesn’t have good range and there weren’t many chargers back when they filmed it. Today there are 10x the amount of chargers than at the time!
We did a similar trip in 2021 summer. The gaps between Syracuse and Buffalo heading east made it almost impossible to travel by EV. Eastbound had (July) half the EV charger DC availability on the turnpike that the westbound route did. I see why you avoided it!! Also - if you don't put in the supercharger as your destination, it will not pre-condition the battery and use up necessary range. Put it nearby!
Hell yeah just dont go broke........ A lot of this stuff all at once would be really expensive just keep that in mind and space out your payments and such and plan ahead alright. Leave yourself a safety buffer etc like THEY SHOULD BE TEACHING MORE IN SCHOOL
same. for a while i thought the main selling point of EV's were that you wouldnt have to pay for gas. but theyre almost exactly the same price to refuel or recharge
I recently did a 750 mile trip (each way) in a Performance Model 3. On the way there I did like you and just trusted the nav. On the way back I stopped at basically every supercharger, which was every 150-200 miles, along the way. I found that stopping more frequently for shorter periods of time was actually better. Being able to stretch every couple of hours was nice and each stop only took about 10-15 minutes. The whole trip only took about and hour longer than the Google maps estimate.
That's probably my charging complaint about Tesla. In my Teslas was the same as you, but in Taycan I can drive 240 miles at 85 mph and then charge back to 80% in 20 mins then drive 240 miles again etc. A higher average charging rate is better and I wish tesla would let you choose between quick half charge and high average charge for longer stops.
this was interesting and he hit the nail on the head in the beginning. guessed the order, but not the time (honestly didnt really guess a time, but that was better than id have expected) would be curious if there would be a greater difference between a car with better fuel mileage and add in a hybrid.
Yes, A Better Route Planner would advise you to charge more often with smaller charge amounts. When I drive to San Diego which is 500 miles or so, I charge twice. I could make it in 1 charge but that charge would take longer than the 2 charges. I would guess that Marques could have cut off 15-20 minutes by stopping twice on the 1st day
Bjorn knows the charging infrastructures on his routes, it is more of a best case scenario, where only charging speed and consumption decides the time. On unknown routes functional and well placed chargers are much more important then 10% higher consumption.
@@Psi-Storm also the non tesla charging infrastructure is way better in norway then us but you can encounter ques tho since theres so many non tesla ev`s in Norway.
Had a 7900+ mile road trip in my Tesla in August. Been a Tesla owner since 2015, and it's much easier to take road trips now compared to when I first got my car with the expansion of the supercharger Network.
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Exactly what I was thinking. I never go much below 5 to 10%.... same as with a gasoline car you don't go to the last drop (unlike Kramer in the Seinfeld episode where he goes on a test drive with a car salesman...)
@@dietermg6339 The difference in a Tesla is that the closer you get to your destination, the more accurate its estimation is. So by the time Marques decided to pass by a Supercharger, he knew he was going to make it. That kind of accuracy can't be done on gas cars.
From having owned 4 EVs over the last 12 years (basically since modern production EVs have existed). I would say that my next 5 cars will be electric. But It's been a hell of a uphill battle to get even to where we are now and, imo we are still in the early years. There are two MAJOR factors that MUST change for wide-spread adoption (not just enthusiasts and the wealthy) (1) EV Charging must be as ubiquitous as Gasoline stations; people need to be able to find (functional) stations, even in remote, rural locations (2) EV Charging must be at least as fast as 150 kW; people need to be able to fill up in a reasonable time, less than 30 mins for at least 80% charge. Although batteries are still quite costly, I think that BMW had a good idea by including a battery that as at least 20% larger than necessary, allowing for the middle 80% to be the primary fill space, and that all charging could be DC Fast Charge. Great video. Thanks for doing this comparative research
The problem is the amount of power needed to charge these cars. If you had one station only for charging no gas but same layout. 10-20 charging stations. If ten cars showed up to charge all at once. Or if a few got there early. The first cars to plug in would get charged normally, once the rest plug in the amount of power output to the chargers would decrease and or fluctuate between cars. So not all would get and equal chwrge. The load could not manage equal power output to all. So some maybe full charge in 45-1:30 or whatever. The last person would be there for hours. Plus all EV chargers use energy created by fossil fuel which makes me laugh. But biggest problem will be energy storage. Plus fast charging and all this raising the amps and all that into the cars battery will degrade it much faster than a steady flow charge for an hour or whatever. I was just at a IEEE green tech conference. The other problem is we literally can’t make the energy/power needed to charge every vehicle in America if they all became electric tomorrow. Tbh I feel the same people now yelling at oil companies and fossil fuels will be yelled at in 40 years due to batteries and their contents not decomposing and filling pits with hazardous waste. Lotta battery acid will go into the ocean and soil. That 30 minutes is a good goal but long term is very harmful to the battery packs. Or the 200 miles in 15 minutes for elons new packs is good but long term it will shorten the life of the battery.
@@sikolikhole heh 😅 there's a story for everything. But because I don't want to write another novel in the comments, let's just say that life circumstances dont always allow me to keep stuff. 🤷♂️
What's stopping you from refueling your car the night before or the morning of in like 5mins. It really would not have made as much of a difference as people are saying. +-10% delta
This is actually a great video for those on the fence about an EV. For me in toying between a mach E and a tesla 3 or Y. While I see myself primarily charging at home e it just goes to show how tesla is doing so many things right
Charging at home / overnight makes a huge (beneficial) time and cost difference. I even live in an apartment with no chargers - still a total no brainer and can't imaging going back to non Tesla
Really well done, Marques & Team. A thorough presentation of the facts, inclusions of asterisks when necessary, and don't even get me started on the amazing graphics! Crushed it.
I ordered my model 3 two days ago from the century city mall in LA. I’ll be switching from a 2018 A4 because the lease is ending. This video has actually answered a lot of questions for me including how much the average kWh cost is.
As a Model 3 owner myself I'd say he's pretty much right on the mark! 32-35 cents per Kwh seems to be the new rate for superchargers. Some are different (charge per min vs Kwh due to state law) but that's the majority. Be prepared for it to climb up over time though, when I got my car 2 years ago the rate was 28 cents per Kwh.
6:14 This just underlines how important infrastructure and fast charging is to the future of EVs. A car is supposed to be reliable and always ready to go. It should be able to miss a few chargers without a problem.
I appreciate everything about this video. Thank you. It definitely was as fair as possible, it was informative and had a great warm presentation. And it provided pertinent real world information.
As someone who just bought a car (Mazda3 2019) the only factor I would need to buy an electric car is for the pricing to come down just a bit more. Like, the $15,000-30,000 range. I’d also need my own place so I can charge it while at home… at my apartment, we don’t have that luxury.
As someone who has driven his Mustang Mach-E across the country, the first thing I did was disable non DC-fast charging on the onboard navigation app and had no issues with the 1.5k mile drive.
@@mkbhd Maybe I haven't hit that part of the video, but guessing for Tesla and Mach E you only used the built-in navigation for routing to chargers? This is why I use Plugshare and ABRP, but that doesn't dismiss the mislabeled and non-functioning chargers. This part needs to catch up and quickly, not just for Ford, but all EVs. Edit: just hit where on the 2nd leg they used their own apps, this is why I should wait until the video is done. 🙃
@@mkbhd Well that sucks. I'm glad Electrify America was a good solution when headed back though, as I found them as well as Francis (only in the midwest) to be the fastest and most reliable when I did my drive.
I think things get a little different when you aren't trying to get there as fast as possible. If you do half-hour breaks for food, and if you plan out the hotels to use ones that have chargers, things get a lot closer.
Excellent! Bummer the Mach-E software isn't well developed yet to give you the best recommendations. Hopefully they can fix that soon. 100% agree tho, when it comes to long distance road trips, nothing beats Tesla in the US
It doesnt seem like its the software's issue in the Ford, had they asked for a charger and got taken to an empty lot, sure. But the charger being down is a completely different issue. A similar issue that used to happen to Tesla owners some years back. The real issue is in standards. For liquid fuel its the same. Any car that uses gasoline can get gasoline at any pump. Not really the case with electric cars.
This is a great video challenge for those of us considering electric. I would love to see you repeat this test annually to compare how not only EV's are evolving but their supported charging networks.
Excellent break down, especially the animation! It seems if the EVs were able to charge overnight the second day results would have been even closer. The EA network and in-car apps guiding to chargers clearly needs work for real road trips, but savvy EV owners seem to do okay navigating, provided they happen upon a functioning EVSE.
This was really interesting. Can you please repeat such a road trip on a cold/snow day during winter when the time comes? That would provide even greater insight.
Besides the other 99% of driving, where they never stop for gas and have a full tank every morning for daily driving, while gas cars have to stop to fill up every week?
@@stevenday2067 I see what you mean but I can get so much better cars with that kinda of money. And filling up gas like twice or three times a month isn’t a deal breaker for me.
@@xoxoj actually you would be spending less time refueling than charging. Gas stations only take 1-2 minutes while Tesla take 40-50 minutes to supercharge. Tesla is very bad for road trips as it lengthen the time by several hours longer
@@alissataylor6029 I actually like Tesla cars too but all these Tesla fan boys trashing ice cars like its the worse thing ever, and talk about how clean Evs are but evs arent that clean if you look deeper into it. If they really cared about the earth then they should start biking lmao. And btw Tesla fan boys are the worst, its like having a Tesla is their personality lol. Teslas are alright but the fans on the internet are the worse
Surprised a company as far reaching and capable as Ford doesn't better execute to make sure their first EV customers have an experience worth recommending to friends. Surely some inexpensive, off the shelf IoT devices could report if stations are down. Heck, pay the minimum wage employees at local Ford dealers to drop in on the stations several times a day to update their status. It wouldn't cost much to provide more accurate data to Ford drivers and it would make for a much better experience.
I'm curious, will we ever get to a point where, we have "universal chargers" for the electric cars. What I'm saying is, typically in a gas car, you pull into any gas station and fill up your tank, is there any possibility we could get that for the EV's ? Like can you use a Tesla charging point for the Mach-E
I'm sure it's poss. But it will start with Tesla, and Elon would tax the mess out of other companies under the table. We as customers won't see it, but the company's will feel it.
EA is the biggest and rapidly growing infrastructure, the CCS is the standard everybody (except for Tesla) supports. Tesla will have to convert to CCS if they want to survive. It would be better for them spin off the charging business or sell it to EA.
CCS is like USB C and Tesla is like a lighting connector. The standard for everyone else is CCS and I think eventually Tesla will have to switch over or at least offer an adapter.
If I'm 55 miles away, and the car display a 70 mile range left, then yes it does. It might make someone skip the last charging station that they could possibly reach.
I love how I watched the video podcast, and now everything you guys have discussed is compressed into a 20min video. You guys are killing it, and I can't wait to see The Studio channel vid!
Would have been interesting to have charged the EVs at the hotel while staying overnight since that is a distinct advantage over the ICE cars. You could fill the car before stopping for the day, but that time should then be recorded for the total time spent on the road trip. The EVs would charge without wasting time since they would charge while sleeping. I suppose the difference would only be 10-20 minutes, but still something to consider when doing long road trips with overnight stops.
That was done to break up the monotony of the drive. 1000 miles in 1 day and 1 continuous trip is well within the bounds of single day trips some people take. But for production he split theirs up. But in the theoretical real world single day 1000 miles the overnight charging is not an advantage offered.
10 min at a max. Filling up at a gas station does not take a long time, contrary to what people who haven’t filled up a gas tank in a hot min would tell you lmao.
I think people are missing the point of the test. To see if an EV could do what people "normally" consider a "normal" road trip because it's about range anxiety. OF COURSE, if you own an EV, you're going to consider the charging but you're already bought into the whole EV concept. He's trying to convince ICE owners.
Should've thrown in a hybrid as well. The hybrid 7 series or 5 series can do upwards of nearly 1000 miles on a single fuel up. A dude posted a video of taking his 7 series over 900 miles on a single tank which is insane. Certain there are other hybrids out there that can do the same, if not better. Would be entertaining to see how those would fair in this competition.
@@destituteanddecadent9106 Yes, and bathroom breaks. And with an EV you can visit the bathroom and buy/eat your food while the car is charging but you are required to stand at the fuel bowser.
@@robsengahay5614 Fueling only takes like a couple of minutes that's why there's no need for you to leave your car. While electrics need considerably more amount of time so you cannot just wait there so you HAVE to go eat or shop something. I'm not against electrics but don't takeaway a few benefits that gasoline cars have.
@@usmantariq7997 Seriously though it isn’t a benefit. Since driving an EV I have learned to appreciate taking a 20-30 minute stop every 3-4 hours. Properly stretch my legs and take a break. I have realised how dangerously I used to drive and now wince when I hear comments about driving 10 hours with one 5-10 minute stop to refuel a gas car as it brings back memories.
In my opinion doing 1,000 miles in 2 days is NOT a road trip, but rather a range test and/or cannonball-like driving. It is lacking the "trip" part, where you might charge easily during viewing the tourist attractions etc. I have a 40 kWh Nissan Leaf and would never ever revert back to a gasoline car. Keep up the good work, just subscribed to your channel! Greetings from Hungary!
One thing to keep in mind is that, even though road trips are slightly longer in an EV, it doesn’t compare to all of the time saved by never having to go to the gas station during everyday life. I’ll take an extra few minutes at a rest stop on an occasional road trip over weekly trips to the pump every time.
This only applies to people with EV charging at home. If you live in an apartment or something this argument actually gets flipped upside down and favors ICE by a large margin. Though if the stars align for you it's a nice feature to have.
@@aryadhole uh... I fill up easily once a week. I get about 400 miles per tank and drive about 70 miles on work days. If you're only filling up once a month you're barely using your car.
Instead of spending time at a gas station every 3 or 4 weeks, I would be spending time every time I drive plugging in my car. I fail to see the time saving here.
This is exactly why we need a standardized charge port and charging system, to avoid this nightmare. I will be getting a Rivian as my next vehicle. But I worry about the charging experience as you just outlined. I find myself torn between tesla because it's fleshed out and other evs for their looks and what I'd prefer in a vehicle. I hate that I feel forced to choose tesla in order to get a good experience. More to the point I hate having to pick a car based on their charging network. I would never buy a gas car based on the gas station I can use!
The common charge port is ccs. Works fine in Europe. Upside for Tesla owners is that they can also use other charge networks. Most important result about this test is that the quality of the charge network is important. And a bunch of broken chargers is not helping.
I've been contemplating getting a Tesla because the high amounts of superchargers in my area. This has helped solidify my decision to getting a Tesla as my next car.
@@ogzombieblunt4626 eqe is better than the tesla lmao. Teslas break if u arent careful with the interior. Mercedes is better but waaaaaaaaay too expsnsive
Hmmm... thought there'd be a bigger difference in the cost of the trip. I'm contemplating buying the Y, but this video makes me think. Thank you for the content.
Electric. I just got a secondhand gas car last year here in Jamaica, and by the time I’m ready for a new vehicle, electric should be more available here so I’m hoping to get one.
Nice vid, as always, thank you. My .02$: When you do one or two road trips a year then rent a great car - don't buy a car based on those one to two trips.
Solid advice here! Same can be said about buying a pickup truck when you think you'll "need" it only to find out you haul stuff so infrequently (As a former pickup truck owner, ask me how I know!)
Great vid. This was clearly a lot of effort and time to put together, but it winds up showing the real world difference between gas and EVs. By all rights, road-tripping is rare and most people only do it once or twice a year (if that). I also think that in the time since this video has come out, it's become obvious gas prices are going to go up again. Really, this just goes to show (to me) that most EVs are designed fundamentally wrong. The goal should not be to remove gasoline from the picture completely, but to remove it from commutes. I think a supercapacitor plug in hybrid is probably the "ideal" car, as the real objective should be to allow your average person's commute (~50 miles) to be 100% electric and around 50 MPG equivalent when running an internal gas generator, with about a 5 gallon tank. The real world difference between such a car and a pure electric is inconsequential in terms of gas usage, but the utility is much higher.
I wonder if you still believe this a year or whatever later? The cost (and weight and size) of adding in an almost never used ICE engine really doesn't seem like the ideal for just about anyone, actually. The added benefit of having 5 backup gallons comes at a direct cost of how many batteries you can pack into the car. You're not just straight adding 250 miles. Even in this video, you see that the real world difference over two days and 1000 miles is 8%. EIGHT PERCENT! And then Marques put a 10% plus/minus error bar on it LOL. In other words... it's just not a problem generally. In the time since, EV ranges have gone up, Superchargers have gotten more prevalent, and gas has gotten more expensive. To be fair, I think it's reasonable to keep plug in hybrids as an option for those people who really do need super, super long range (600-700 miles on a tank?). That's just plain not the VAST majority of people.
Me too. EVs are still expensive. I would be a bit worried buying a second hand EV as replacing the battery would be expensive. We all know with phones and laptops that battery health gets worse over time.
5 years w a model S75, same miles 243. 3.5 years w a Model 3 single motor long range, gained 10 mile via software updates. 315 miles to 325 miles range. I think you're good w the 2nd gen battery and up. I only fast charged on road trips, my "gas station" is at home. No need to go to an off site filling station, like a gas station while not on vacation mode w a home charger.
@@mistymu8154 that can vary greatly, some mobile devices have had great battery health after multiple years of fast charging, it just depends on the actual process of making the battery, there was reports about Tesla switching from its 75kwh to 90kwh and see faster decline in health, but I'd hope to see the use of software to preserve health, such as Google's pixel phones using the alarm app as a charging timer, so when the device is plugged in at night it will charge perfectly to 100% by say 8:00am at a constant speed and much slower speed, this could increase the life of a battery greatly
@@mistymu8154 it's a different lithium chemistry than cell phone. Listen to the second element when the mention the complete name of the battery type and it will tell you it's attributes.
but this is why the Tesla charging network is so good - they have a huge incentive to keep it functioning perfectly. OEMs who rely on third party charging stations are doomed from the getgo, because they cannot pressure the supplier to fix broken chargers. I hate to think how much (tax) money is wasted building new chargers, instead of just fixing the ones already there...
This video really put things into perspective for someone looking to get an EV. Personally I will be looking into Hybrid vehicles a lot more after this video.
The anxiety of 1% battery left! 📈📈📈 . . Kramer: Listen to me. When that car rolls into that dealership, and that tank is bone dry, I want you to be there with me when everyone says, "Kramer and that other guy, oh, they went further to the left of the slash than anyone ever dreamed!" [car makes puttering noises]
For some reason the outside camera microphone fits my ears better then inside the studio Is it just that the mic was closer cuz you had it on your hand unlike in studio you have a better mic but not as close?
Use 'a better route planner' it tells when chargers are down, more real time. Also always charge to full at your overnight stops and never charge to full at super charges. That last 20% takes longer.
@@draggy6544 you can't fuel up your gas car at home or at a hotel or landmark though. At least here in europe the charging infrastructure is well developed with many different big options like Tesla Supercharger (going to open up to all EVs next year), Ionity, enBW and even one of the biggest gas station chains (Aral) is adding 300kW fast charging points to their gas stations. At least on my daily commute on the highway here in germany it is much easier to find a EV charging point than it is to find a gas station without exiting the highway and taking a 10 minute detour through a city. EV fastchargers are at nearly every highway resting place while highway gas stations, atleast on my route, are non-existing.
@@draggy6544 ignoring the time it takes to get to the gas station and potentially waiting in line for paying, yes. Outside of roadtrips you are never required to use a public charger on daily commutes.
@@BizzMRK i dont where the hell u live but i never have lines and there is a gas station right before i take the highway ramp so aside from turning into the gas station i dont drive around looking for one.
In Kenya, i know alot of people including me who would looove to own and drive EVs, but the infrastructure is just non existent, so for now gas is the only best option. Great insights though Marques.
Tht would mean availability of charging station at hotel where they rest and let the car charge over night, or leaving car in station and going hotel by taxi.
@@BarnDarnII But that’s real world. Advantage of gas car is they fill up much faster at a gas station. So not allowing the EV to charge up overnight at a hotel, a huge perk of EV ownership, is like saying a gas car has to wait at a gas station for 30 minutes since it isn’t “fair” that it fills up faster than an electric car can charge.
7 hours 21 minutes and the convince of a pump always working plus being able to stop at any fueling station is way more attractive than both EV options.
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I think you should have let the EVs charge to max at the hotel. Since that's one of the perks of an EV. Most hotels have at least one destination charger that'll work with either plug.
Maybe they didnt work lmao
I wouldn't say most. I see maybe a quarter.
My exact thought. Kinda defeats the purpose of owning an EV. Haha
Can't wait to the see the finished electric hummer Jerryyyyy
I was wondering about that too. But they would only save on one charging time and it had to be a perfect stop to maximize that. If they arrived with half battery then they're only charging up half.
The graphics with the comparison of the 3 cars including the current level of battery are 10/10
@Jan 6 was "Wall Street Putsch" part 2 But the price tho, you can get a dirt cheap gas car. The electric cars are so expensive. And what about the places where you cant install a charger at home, or the places where there are a low amount of electric chargers?
100%
@Jan 6 was "Wall Street Putsch" part 2 stfu
Sooooo satisfying to watch them going head-to-head on the map
A lot of love and care went into this, for sure.
I love how Marques is so versatile with his content, this video is a banger 🔥
Ikr he doesn’t stick with one type of vid he changes every now and then
Nice observation
It’s interesting but he also has to be careful not to veer of too much because when people subscribe to the channel they expect a certain type of genre
Everyone missed how unscientific this comparison is. Gas guzzler SUV, base model mach e, and top end tesla. Of course the top end tesla does better than the base tesla, more motors = better. He should have used average people cars and trims.
This was the same thing I was thinking about!! This video do be a banger too
I would love to see this done again as a part 2 with them having the knowledge that the maps don't work well, especially since the issues on the first leg with the mache e really messed up the 2nd leg, would also love to see the extended range/dual motor models
tesla already has the most range in the plaid
@@fishpole394 long range model s has the longest range at 405 miles, plaid isn’t the longest range
@@Axis. oh really? I didn't know that. You learn something new everyday I guess
I feel like to this point knowing that only Electrify America chargers are decent, there's no difference between a Tesla and a another EV that uses EA chargers.
We seldom go out road tripping. We're usually city dwellers, and this video showed the important hack for non-Tesla EVs to take into account.
It's good to have options.
@@unusuario5173 thats not accurate. look up charger reliability, EA is not even close to as reliable as tesla superchargers
SERIOUS serious props to whomever did your graphics for this one.
Outstanding.
💯 and for those of us with either a casual interest or limited attention, a 3m video synopsis of just those graphics (and explanatory dialogue) would be great! Perhaps add a graphic (bar+line chart) of refuel cost & time, with apt comment about EV charged while eating, while checking into hotel, etc. (if/where applicable).
Agreed! So good.
Noticed that too. Soo smooth. And the sync between the route progress and the charge reserve... Oh my.
100% agreed. Fantastic work all around guys! This is definitely work to be proud of!
@@ilya__t Thats a basic 2d keyframe animation...
Great video! Good one to show to people that are always questioning road tripping Gas VS EV.
Yeah this will be a nice little video to bookmark and send to people who say EV can't do road trips. I mean I prefer Tesla but the Mach E performed extraordinarily well IMO.
@@user-RCST If you leave out the misinformation the car displayed about the chargers, this is true. ;-)
Hey it's the more popular Tesla reviewer
@@capslock9031 you can't get everything right on your first EV I'm sure Ford is working hard to try and solve these problems.
Waiting for the uncle rich x mkbhd cross over
Great comparison. Hopefully one day the chargers and standards are the same so it makes this much easier.
you look like a professional UA-camr. can you give me 501 dollar?
In Europe it's all CCS at this point (Teslas can use other chargers, but not reverse, due to billing process). North America is all CCS (but a different one than in Europe...it's complicated) except Tesla. CHAdeMO is pretty much dead except Japan I think, and China has their own connector.
But honestly, considering how young the industry still is, it's already very well standardized. The only thing that's "missing" is for Tesla to switch to CCS in North America, which will hopefully happen sooner than later. Would be sensible to do this at the same time as they're opening up the Supercharger network to other carmakers, which will definitely happen. The plug isn't as elegant, but commonality is more important imo.
@@jonashageboke8993 Tesla will be opening its supercharger network to all OEMs.
@@pr5owner lol, the Plaid wasn’t going 170 mph. They had agreed upon max speeds, etc. Use your brain next time before making stupid comments.
This will be the next big hurdle for EVs. Imagine going to fill us with gas and all of the chevy nozzles are broken.
Very interesting and educating. I was contemplating electric vs gas for my next car but then there are hybrid and diesel options -- it would be cool to add those to the mix.
That would be interesting. I daily drive a diesel truck and you’d be surprised at the amount of stations that don’t have diesel in some areas. Sometimes I have to settle for a truck stop where it’s a lot more expensive
@@laneblount9888 I own an Hybrid Volvo XC40, and it would 100% have the same outcome as the Audi. Since when the battery is dead, it just uses the normal engine. The downside possible is that the hybrid might have needed to stop for gas one additional time since the tank normally is not as big, but otherwise it would not be different.
I agree. I would love to see something like this with conventional and plug-in hybrids and maybe some other types of EVs, such as a tiny econobox and a larger SUV or truck.
as a european, diesel is the best. you can EASILY get 60mpg highway, maybe like 70 if you push it
Thank you for doing this! It's so difficult to recommend a non-Tesla EV when none of the non-Tesla EVs don't take the user experience of charging seriously. Really hope EA & all the manufacturers up their game if they're looking for anyone to buy these cars (especially in the US, where occasional long trips are fairly normal).
Are EV's becoming more of a gadget or do they also have the same soul as the ICE vehicles ?
@@mohammadyaqoob746 from personal experience a lot of drivers dont care about the soul when they get utterly trashed at the lights by a EV. after seeing their dragstrip-ready hellcat or demon get absolutly de-stroyed by a glorified golf cart that mom uses to bring the kids to school and a costco run and operates at a fraction of the fuel cost you see plenty of drivers getting the idea that the future is measured in amps, not decibels. i already had a guy in a seriously modded corvette wanting to flat out buy my raven after a 10 minute ride along as i could beat him at the lights without even trying and with 3 kids in the back.
@@SupremeRuleroftheWorld Well rationally EV is the smarter choice for daily tasks and accelerations might be good but they sure ain't good for the battery and acceleration is where it stops not the overall speed.
Well I'm talking about most drivers, I'm talking about the select few who wrench hours on their shitboxs , drive late nights to get a clean stretch on the roads and to those who get their thrill only behind the wheel.
I'm asking can the EV appeal to them to make the shift ?
@@mohammadyaqoob746 my previous ev had 400k miles on it before i got rear ended. It was driven hard battery wise and it still was in good nick. These old arguments simply are not true anymore. Lets see how good a car with 400k on it still preforms. Mine had 0 power loss, just 10% less range. If you drive a lot you quixkly get fed up from that engine noise once you have driven a ev that does not have that. Its just a better experince in dialy life.
Nvm the fact that Tesla literally said "You can use our charging networks no problem, we'd like to standardize them and open them for use to other manufacturers". But most decided to go with Electrify America or a pump standard that can barley maintain 50wh
The animation at the beginning showing the map and the cars in colors is INSANE
SO DAMM BEAUTIFUL
Edit: thanks marques!
you just got rid of the heart by editing your comment
@@qasidkashif7175 just noticed... Didn't know that's how it goes :(
@@GreenWin88 never knew about that feature. that's a really good thing too, because if it wasn't a thing, a lot of people can edit it to say something vulgar and make the channel owner look bad because he hearted it.
@@hisfatness522 Right... Still sucks I lost the ❤️
These map visuals are next level 🔥
What with the sx bot tf
Please do a second round now 2 years later to see if non-tesla chargers improved at all.
They haven't really at least the electricfy america
"Under promise, over deliver" is my life motto.
mine is "over promise, under deliver"
Mine is "under promise, under deliver"
XD
@@lucasceleste4743 hahah Same
“Under Promise, Over Deliver” is my Life Motto.
Hell yeah. I actually did my college capstone project on charging infrastructure in the Adirondacks and mapping out optimal locations for future infrastructure. It's fun watching it play out IRL.
I’ve had my model Y for like 5 months now and I still haven’t been to a super charger
Where do you live?
@@m77mmdd19 😳
ok
Lmao
I’ve taken my Mach E on 3 road trips and only had to use the EA charger twice. It’s amazing that we can charge up at home. I’m just on trickle charge at home and Ive never been worried about range. I love EVs!
I’d love to see a similar comparison out West where the charging infrastructure isn’t as built up and the terrain is more challenging. Maybe Spokane to Yellowstone National Park or Denver to Salt Lake City. I know plenty of people that only road-trip for vacations and a lot of these could be in the west where there are more natural vacation destinations. Idk if y’all would have the time and budget to do this, but it’d be fun to see!
Upstate NY is very mountainous.
The Adirondacks are about as built up as Americas national parks.
i did road trip with SR+ Tesla 3 2 years ago. Dallas -> Denver -> Yellowstone -> Salt Lake City -> Dallas. Only 1 stretch of leg was difficult, had to slow down to 55mph . with LR even that won't be a problem. This happened in late Fall, so it was snowing in Yellowstone
Can't even do the comparison in the South. Tesla is literally the only charging network available.
Search UA-cam for a roadtrip challenge between Tesla, Porsche, Kia and Ford between Denver and Las Vegas. The non-Tesla’s used Electrify America only and did run into some non-working chargers, but there was typically at least one that worked. Porsche came first, followed by the Tesla 3, Kia EV6, Tesla X and then Ford Mach-E. There was a difference of 1.5 hours between the fastest and slowest for the 750 mile road trip. Very good video. I have a Mach-E and will put more planning in before I take a long road trip and not trust just the Ford app.
It would be really cool to do this annually and compare the progression of each type of ev!
He should add a 4th car diesel like the V6 Audi from Scott Kilmer NGcSiuOoE1o
@@Joe3D I mean Diesel engines would probably blow all of them out of the water as far as range goes, but do you think Diesel engine tech improves enough every year to do that annually?
@@calebmeyer616 gasoline won't improve either, electrification is not an improvement, plus little less consumption is not compensated by much higher prices and repair costs.
@@Joe3D well electrification brings about better torque, improved acceleration, and generalized improvements to driving experience, but I was just referring to the range and such.
@@calebmeyer616 you have to count everything. Plus they didn't account for initial car cost and insurances, maintenances, etc.
Loved the trip visualisation! Super cool! One thing I always try to do is charge up at my destination, that's is one of the USPs of having an EV - charge anywhere! Pretty sure if you had charged up overnight every time you stopped, the gap between the Audi and the EVs would have been even smaller.
Some perspective for European viewers in terms of prices:
1 Liter of gasoline in western Europe is around 1.5€, while it is 0.8€ in the USA. That means it is over 50% more expensive to use gas in Europe than the USA. So total gas cost for the road trip would equate to 109€ for the whole roadtrip.
Thanks for sharing!
That's why people in Europe prefer EV than Gas Cars....
@@Mr.DISRESPECT Well, in Germany the electricity price is 3 times as high as in the US
Yet, in Greece electricity is 1/3rd. So the gas price would be 180$ and the charging cost 20$
@@Elusive_Chicken yup and I don’t understand why
I'm starting to appreciate the moments I have while charging. I get to explore a bit more with the given charge estimation period. After all, I am on a road trip and sight seeing is part of it
the charging stations outside Tesla's supercharging network needs some serious quality control. It's like they don't even care about it working.
Tesla cars need quality control
@@AhmedAkram903 not true. their quality control is fine. just cause you see people complaining doesnt mean it happens all the time. Every one of my friends that owns one never had any issues. I owned a Merc previously, and it had tons of problems for a car that cost $30k more
@@mactwentytwentyfour Teslas literally have huge panel gaps and miscolored panels
@@AhmedAkram903 I, along with all of my friends have never had those issues. Again, your argument is anecdotal because it rarely happens.
@@AhmedAkram903 That's mostly American quality control, and also they've gotten better over time. The Chinese built models are pretty decent.
"I wanna know what your next car purchase will be"
Me- * Looks at wallet *
A 1997 Nissan
shit. at least you got that
Me- * Looks at wallet *
A 1997 Bike
Felt this
The most environmentally friendly option: walking
@@josephjuanaliagavalenzuela2345 Me- *Looks at Wallet*
A 1997 Bus Pass
On every road trip I do, my car is finished charging before I've finished eating/resting/toilet break etc.
As long as the charging network is there, it's really not hard. Nearly 2 years in my Tesla now, and won't go back to petrol/gas.
Edit - I have two young children, there’s no way I’m driving for more than 3/4 hours without a stop anyway.
I saw lakes of Tesla's when traveling on northern Ontario. The issue is your limited to not going anywhere off the 17 because of the distance between the Chargers..m
love your videos man, your road trips inspired us to get a jaguar I-pace to try that electric life but dad wanted to be a bit different than the popular teslas. 😂😂
Except you need to stop more often even if you don't need stop to eat/toilet break
I do not like to stop LOL
Us too since we got 3 kids we have to stop every 2 hours anyway and it takes at least 20 min for bathroom break and leg stretching. Ice free household 2 Teslas home.
Loved this test!! I have ordered a Tesla MYLR which will be my first EV. Actually I’m not surprised by the result: if you go electric, unfortunately you can only rely on Tesla if you want to have a “worry free” transition because of the supercharger and its network, as you showed in the video
Francesco … I’ve had my MY a week ! Love it .
The seats aren’t great if you are tall and sentry mode flattens your battery fast ! But overall … it’s a bloody great car and better than the BMW X5 it replaced
@@maxflight777 My my my!
having multiple charging standards is insane and slows down the adoption of EV's
Well EV'e problem is not only charging the batteries for them are made out of material that is quickly running out and to produce that amount of electricity you need to burn a lot more fosil fuel.
this is what happens when car companies are a quarter interested/invested in EV's. They just seem to all be trying to come out with and EV with out a way to properly charge them.
Europe Union have a law that states all electric cars must have the same charging port design, so you can charge at any station in any European country, as opposed to usa where there are company specific charging stations (BMW or Audi etc)
@@Modelo646 Who asked?
@@laden6675 I could ask you the same thing
I've done several Tesla road trips and I always try to stay at hotels with destination chargers so you wake up with 100% charge and save even more time. I love electric road trips!
Are you able to reserve the charger plug just for you?
That's what they did on the grand tour and they were miserable because they hated the place they had to stay in and the things that were nearby. I know its a TV series but its a valid trade off.
@@Alex-qx7jn I wasn’t able to but there were always spots open
@@myles2494 I love those guys but they will shit on EVs any chance they get, lol. There are plenty of decent hotels with chargers. Even the nice ones with valet have free charging, just ask the valet to changer it for you and give him a tip. You can see when they plug it in and set all of the charging stats from your phone. Airbnb can filter by charging and the places are nice.
@@myles2494 Thats cuz the rimac doesn’t have good range and there weren’t many chargers back when they filmed it. Today there are 10x the amount of chargers than at the time!
Would love to see a winter version of this video!
Gas car would have definitely distanced itself more in the lead for sure
100% this! Please make it happen team 🙏
It's clear what would happen, you don't need that...
I'd love to see a realistic version of this where they drive @ 80mph like normal people actually do on a road trip.
@@anthonybielobockie4991 Normal people are driving in kmh not mph. ;-)
We did a similar trip in 2021 summer. The gaps between Syracuse and Buffalo heading east made it almost impossible to travel by EV. Eastbound had (July) half the EV charger DC availability on the turnpike that the westbound route did. I see why you avoided it!! Also - if you don't put in the supercharger as your destination, it will not pre-condition the battery and use up necessary range. Put it nearby!
Next Purchase will be EV. Full charging at home + Solar on the roof + Induction stove tops = efficient.
Good plan chef
Hell yeah just dont go broke........ A lot of this stuff all at once would be really expensive just keep that in mind and space out your payments and such and plan ahead alright. Leave yourself a safety buffer etc like THEY SHOULD BE TEACHING MORE IN SCHOOL
New video idea ???
Initial cost will be very high
you forgot the tesla power wall and converting your heating system to full electric! (slight sarcasm)
Wow I didn't expect Tesla charge costs to be relatively close to gas costs 😅
same. for a while i thought the main selling point of EV's were that you wouldnt have to pay for gas. but theyre almost exactly the same price to refuel or recharge
@@niyazmazin5102 I think charging at home would be a lot cheaper, but road trips with superchargers would be more expensive.
its america, where petrol is cheap as fuck.
In the Netherlands, the difference is about 2-3:1 because of gas prices (and supercharging is .25 eurocents per kwh here).
On roadtrips the savings get lost a little, he said he avg 33cents/kw supercharging. At home I can charge for 9cents/kw during off peak hours
I recently did a 750 mile trip (each way) in a Performance Model 3. On the way there I did like you and just trusted the nav. On the way back I stopped at basically every supercharger, which was every 150-200 miles, along the way. I found that stopping more frequently for shorter periods of time was actually better. Being able to stretch every couple of hours was nice and each stop only took about 10-15 minutes. The whole trip only took about and hour longer than the Google maps estimate.
That’s fine if you don’t need to go 10 minutes out of the way for the supercharger,
That's probably my charging complaint about Tesla. In my Teslas was the same as you, but in Taycan I can drive 240 miles at 85 mph and then charge back to 80% in 20 mins then drive 240 miles again etc. A higher average charging rate is better and I wish tesla would let you choose between quick half charge and high average charge for longer stops.
I think this is how most people road trip their EVs. It’s a bold strategy going below 30% Tesla or not.
@@AB-ts2xd you seem to not understand what he ment.
@@realMysta huh? Tesla’s charge faster than a tycan to 80%, just look it up.
this was interesting and he hit the nail on the head in the beginning. guessed the order, but not the time (honestly didnt really guess a time, but that was better than id have expected) would be curious if there would be a greater difference between a car with better fuel mileage and add in a hybrid.
I feel so bad for those in the Mustang - I’d be pulling my hair out with full road rage after hitting so many obstacles.
Simple, don't buy the fake ripoff and just buy a tesla.
@@official_pol2198
fake rip off: no.
Inferior: yes.
Lmfaoooo I thought they had turned around and gone back.
@@MauricioBarragan lmao bruh !
@@MauricioBarragan haha that's definitely what I would've done!
Seeing Marques channeling top gear energy restores my faith in humanity, Love your content man, always keep it up.
YEEESSSSS more top gear vids from mkbhd
Top Gear energy? Seriously? You sound like you've never watched TG but are vaguely aware that the show features road trips.
@@reanetsemoleleki8219 yeah, energy is very different. Just the road trip with three somewhat completing cars aspect.
Well he actually partnered with Top Gear recently so there's that.
Charging at a fast charger over 90% is crazy in terms of time efficiency, due to the charging curve. A Better Route Planner is a must have!
Yes, A Better Route Planner would advise you to charge more often with smaller charge amounts. When I drive to San Diego which is 500 miles or so, I charge twice. I could make it in 1 charge but that charge would take longer than the 2 charges. I would guess that Marques could have cut off 15-20 minutes by stopping twice on the 1st day
I love to Watch. Them moving like a comparison vlog Rather than Getting Explained everything
The visualization of how the route and the different cars blew my mind, soooo niceeely done and editing . Huge props for that one.
Bjorn Nyland (Norway) does 1000km challenges regularly when comparing EVs.
This will be an interesting video to watch.
Bjorn knows the charging infrastructures on his routes, it is more of a best case scenario, where only charging speed and consumption decides the time. On unknown routes functional and well placed chargers are much more important then 10% higher consumption.
@@Psi-Storm also the non tesla charging infrastructure is way better in norway then us but you can encounter ques tho since theres so many non tesla ev`s in Norway.
@@danielstefanovic2604 Norway here and can confirm this. The US seems to be so far behind in EV infrastructure.
Norway is just very fast. Germany is pretty bad as well. Wish it was more like in Norway.
Bjørn Nyland is so funny
LOVED the animations on the map! That made it so much easier to follow the progress. Well done! AND, EVs only for me in the future.
This is such a classic top gear idea! Love this so much!!
Had a 7900+ mile road trip in my Tesla in August. Been a Tesla owner since 2015, and it's much easier to take road trips now compared to when I first got my car with the expansion of the supercharger Network.
Still gas cars are way more convenient. I never spend more than 5 minutes at the pump. I don't have to plan the trip. I just drive the car.
Next time you go to Scranton, I recommend you to eat at Alfredo’s Pizza Cafe. This is really worth it! Don’t go to Pizza by Alfredo, it’s a totally different place!
that's what Kevin said
Mr Ballin
bots promoting cafe?
@@ZakvielStreams you didn’t get the joke whoooops
I read it with kevin's voice
I like how you actually got there with 1 mile left like you had nothing to lose if you didn’t make it :))
Exactly what I was thinking. I never go much below 5 to 10%.... same as with a gasoline car you don't go to the last drop (unlike Kramer in the Seinfeld episode where he goes on a test drive with a car salesman...)
Realistically Tesla's have a buffer below 0 larger than any other manufacturer (26 miles on model 3 tested by Edmunds), not that it's recommended
What's 1 mile to kilometers?
@@marnzm 1.6 km
@@dietermg6339 The difference in a Tesla is that the closer you get to your destination, the more accurate its estimation is. So by the time Marques decided to pass by a Supercharger, he knew he was going to make it. That kind of accuracy can't be done on gas cars.
From having owned 4 EVs over the last 12 years (basically since modern production EVs have existed). I would say that my next 5 cars will be electric. But It's been a hell of a uphill battle to get even to where we are now and, imo we are still in the early years.
There are two MAJOR factors that MUST change for wide-spread adoption (not just enthusiasts and the wealthy)
(1) EV Charging must be as ubiquitous as Gasoline stations; people need to be able to find (functional) stations, even in remote, rural locations
(2) EV Charging must be at least as fast as 150 kW; people need to be able to fill up in a reasonable time, less than 30 mins for at least 80% charge.
Although batteries are still quite costly, I think that BMW had a good idea by including a battery that as at least 20% larger than necessary, allowing for the middle 80% to be the primary fill space, and that all charging could be DC Fast Charge.
Great video. Thanks for doing this comparative research
The problem is the amount of power needed to charge these cars. If you had one station only for charging no gas but same layout. 10-20 charging stations. If ten cars showed up to charge all at once. Or if a few got there early. The first cars to plug in would get charged normally, once the rest plug in the amount of power output to the chargers would decrease and or fluctuate between cars. So not all would get and equal chwrge. The load could not manage equal power output to all. So some maybe full charge in 45-1:30 or whatever. The last person would be there for hours. Plus all EV chargers use energy created by fossil fuel which makes me laugh. But biggest problem will be energy storage. Plus fast charging and all this raising the amps and all that into the cars battery will degrade it much faster than a steady flow charge for an hour or whatever. I was just at a IEEE green tech conference. The other problem is we literally can’t make the energy/power needed to charge every vehicle in America if they all became electric tomorrow. Tbh I feel the same people now yelling at oil companies and fossil fuels will be yelled at in 40 years due to batteries and their contents not decomposing and filling pits with hazardous waste. Lotta battery acid will go into the ocean and soil. That 30 minutes is a good goal but long term is very harmful to the battery packs. Or the 200 miles in 15 minutes for elons new packs is good but long term it will shorten the life of the battery.
May I ask, why you have gone through so many Ev's in such a short period of time?
@@sikolikhole heh 😅 there's a story for everything. But because I don't want to write another novel in the comments, let's just say that life circumstances dont always allow me to keep stuff. 🤷♂️
Gas prices rn might help
@@youssef24231 ideally a refill should be 3-7 minutes (to match petrol), my comment probably could have been, 'at most 30 mins'
Need to do this again with JerryRigEverything's Humvee when it's done
Oh no
🤣 Imagine Humvee with extra batteries.
He might need another few days LMAO
Lol that be a scoop for audiences and goverment will shocked
Something to note: If allowed to refuel/ recharge to 100% overnight, the gap would be even closer between the gas and the tesla.
Yea but it takes 25 to 30mins to charge for gas 10 mins for full tank..I stay with gas
What's stopping you from refueling your car the night before or the morning of in like 5mins. It really would not have made as much of a difference as people are saying. +-10% delta
100 % everytime kills battery fast
we should avoid charging lithium ion batteries over 80% for longevity
True, but I think he wanted a scenario where there wasn’t special planning for a charger at the hotel.
This is actually a great video for those on the fence about an EV. For me in toying between a mach E and a tesla 3 or Y. While I see myself primarily charging at home e it just goes to show how tesla is doing so many things right
Charging at home / overnight makes a huge (beneficial) time and cost difference. I even live in an apartment with no chargers - still a total no brainer and can't imaging going back to non Tesla
Dont even think...Grab a 3 if u have a smaller family or a y if there are more people in the car...Teslas just get better over time with updates!!
Charging Tesla = 10 kilo coal burnt(for electricity)= 75 solar panel on roof= scam😂
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THIS. THIS is the most helpful video I've seen since 2020!!!
In a perfect world, I'd love for my next car to be electric. They're just not at a price point yet that I could reasonably afford.
Tara tigor ev , Indian giant Tata makes electric cars now , they also own land rover and jaguar....
Gas car is cheaper for now
If you don’t need much room, look at aptera.
Get a used EV they're dirt cheap, the amount I was paying to fuel up is the same I pay for my car
Main problem where I'm from is the charging for sure. If you live in the capital then you're good. Anywhere else you're pretty much screwed
Really well done, Marques & Team. A thorough presentation of the facts, inclusions of asterisks when necessary, and don't even get me started on the amazing graphics! Crushed it.
I ordered my model 3 two days ago from the century city mall in LA. I’ll be switching from a 2018 A4 because the lease is ending. This video has actually answered a lot of questions for me including how much the average kWh cost is.
Prepare yourself, you'll love it!
As a Model 3 owner myself I'd say he's pretty much right on the mark! 32-35 cents per Kwh seems to be the new rate for superchargers. Some are different (charge per min vs Kwh due to state law) but that's the majority. Be prepared for it to climb up over time though, when I got my car 2 years ago the rate was 28 cents per Kwh.
Does it matter how much the charging cost is when you're leasing your cars (most expensive way of owning a car).
@@highasheaven9239 I keep hearing this from people and I’m excited at all the positive feedback!
@@kevinclack thank you for the info! My building recently installed chargers at every spot and in told its .30 / kWh.
6:14 This just underlines how important infrastructure and fast charging is to the future of EVs.
A car is supposed to be reliable and always ready to go. It should be able to miss a few chargers without a problem.
Serotonin increases everytime MKB posts
Ikr, so much hypeeeeeeee
I uploaded my Face Reveal....
Heck yeah lol
and that's a fact
@@LightningSquad no one cares bot
Full respect for this man. Had a passion, lives the passion!
“GAS VS ELECTRIC”
JerryRigEverything: presses the accelerator of his electric Hummer.
I think that is not finished yet. 😂
Hope he finishes his projet soon !
😂 😂 😂 😂
@@kemoldoinc9845 *project. 😂
You should do a 1 year later comparison for this one soon! Would be interesting to see what has changed in a year.
I appreciate everything about this video. Thank you. It definitely was as fair as possible, it was informative and had a great warm presentation. And it provided pertinent real world information.
As someone who just bought a car (Mazda3 2019) the only factor I would need to buy an electric car is for the pricing to come down just a bit more. Like, the $15,000-30,000 range. I’d also need my own place so I can charge it while at home… at my apartment, we don’t have that luxury.
Tesla is working on a 25k hatchback. It’s said to come out in 2022-23 ish but it’s first gonna come to china and then the us and europe etc
Look into Aptera they have more range for less and can charge up to 40 miles in solar over a sunny day
As someone who has driven his Mustang Mach-E across the country, the first thing I did was disable non DC-fast charging on the onboard navigation app and had no issues with the 1.5k mile drive.
We actually did the same, and their second trickle charger was mis-labeled as a fast charger
@@mkbhd you clever boii
@@mkbhd Maybe I haven't hit that part of the video, but guessing for Tesla and Mach E you only used the built-in navigation for routing to chargers? This is why I use Plugshare and ABRP, but that doesn't dismiss the mislabeled and non-functioning chargers. This part needs to catch up and quickly, not just for Ford, but all EVs.
Edit: just hit where on the 2nd leg they used their own apps, this is why I should wait until the video is done. 🙃
@@mkbhd Well that sucks. I'm glad Electrify America was a good solution when headed back though, as I found them as well as Francis (only in the midwest) to be the fastest and most reliable when I did my drive.
You drove your Mach-E across the country OMG are you serious.
I think things get a little different when you aren't trying to get there as fast as possible. If you do half-hour breaks for food, and if you plan out the hotels to use ones that have chargers, things get a lot closer.
Excellent! Bummer the Mach-E software isn't well developed yet to give you the best recommendations. Hopefully they can fix that soon. 100% agree tho, when it comes to long distance road trips, nothing beats Tesla in the US
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@Marques brownlee Channel pinned what do u mean marques brownlee cahnnel pinned, u got pinned on his video?
It doesnt seem like its the software's issue in the Ford, had they asked for a charger and got taken to an empty lot, sure. But the charger being down is a completely different issue. A similar issue that used to happen to Tesla owners some years back. The real issue is in standards.
For liquid fuel its the same. Any car that uses gasoline can get gasoline at any pump. Not really the case with electric cars.
A gas car beats the Tesla..
This is a great video challenge for those of us considering electric. I would love to see you repeat this test annually to compare how not only EV's are evolving but their supported charging networks.
Yes please! An annual or even biannual progression update of this sort of video would be awesome!
Love this video. I actually saw you in Cheektowaga!
Excellent break down, especially the animation! It seems if the EVs were able to charge overnight the second day results would have been even closer. The EA network and in-car apps guiding to chargers clearly needs work for real road trips, but savvy EV owners seem to do okay navigating, provided they happen upon a functioning EVSE.
thanks for the input Ralph...
This was really interesting. Can you please repeat such a road trip on a cold/snow day during winter when the time comes? That would provide even greater insight.
And charging the EV's at the motel to full battery.
Electric cars: fastest to accelerate last to arrive
Besides the other 99% of driving, where they never stop for gas and have a full tank every morning for daily driving, while gas cars have to stop to fill up every week?
Coincidentally, that's also my Tinder bio
@@stevenday2067 I see what you mean but I can get so much better cars with that kinda of money. And filling up gas like twice or three times a month isn’t a deal breaker for me.
@@xoxoj actually you would be spending less time refueling than charging. Gas stations only take 1-2 minutes while Tesla take 40-50 minutes to supercharge. Tesla is very bad for road trips as it lengthen the time by several hours longer
@@alissataylor6029 I actually like Tesla cars too but all these Tesla fan boys trashing ice cars like its the worse thing ever, and talk about how clean Evs are but evs arent that clean if you look deeper into it. If they really cared about the earth then they should start biking lmao. And btw Tesla fan boys are the worst, its like having a Tesla is their personality lol. Teslas are alright but the fans on the internet are the worse
This was interesting. I like your channel Marques.
This is such an important video. I hope that all of the EV manufacturers study this to improve the experience.
Surprised a company as far reaching and capable as Ford doesn't better execute to make sure their first EV customers have an experience worth recommending to friends.
Surely some inexpensive, off the shelf IoT devices could report if stations are down.
Heck, pay the minimum wage employees at local Ford dealers to drop in on the stations several times a day to update their status.
It wouldn't cost much to provide more accurate data to Ford drivers and it would make for a much better experience.
I'm curious, will we ever get to a point where, we have "universal chargers" for the electric cars. What I'm saying is, typically in a gas car, you pull into any gas station and fill up your tank, is there any possibility we could get that for the EV's ? Like can you use a Tesla charging point for the Mach-E
I'm sure it's poss. But it will start with Tesla, and Elon would tax the mess out of other companies under the table. We as customers won't see it, but the company's will feel it.
It is 100% possible. But will it happen? Who knows. Teslas did say later this year or next year it may open its chargers for other brands.
EA is the biggest and rapidly growing infrastructure, the CCS is the standard everybody (except for Tesla) supports. Tesla will have to convert to CCS if they want to survive. It would be better for them spin off the charging business or sell it to EA.
CCS is like USB C and Tesla is like a lighting connector. The standard for everyone else is CCS and I think eventually Tesla will have to switch over or at least offer an adapter.
@@Cnaoens820 which is a great thing
I'd *much* rather have a car underestimate how far it can go, than overestimating.
but..but marketing...
@@hsiang4236 but customer experience and satisfaction
@@The_Remster Normally yes, but this is a car and most people won't sell their car just because the fuel economy was overestimated
Does it matter than the distance between Tesla stations is like on average 50 miles, all of them work and all maintain 150kwh minimum?
If I'm 55 miles away, and the car display a 70 mile range left, then yes it does. It might make someone skip the last charging station that they could possibly reach.
Thank you man for your great service and video
Driving 400-500 miles for 20 min video
I love how I watched the video podcast, and now everything you guys have discussed is compressed into a 20min video. You guys are killing it, and I can't wait to see The Studio channel vid!
Yeah
Would have been interesting to have charged the EVs at the hotel while staying overnight since that is a distinct advantage over the ICE cars. You could fill the car before stopping for the day, but that time should then be recorded for the total time spent on the road trip. The EVs would charge without wasting time since they would charge while sleeping. I suppose the difference would only be 10-20 minutes, but still something to consider when doing long road trips with overnight stops.
That was done to break up the monotony of the drive. 1000 miles in 1 day and 1 continuous trip is well within the bounds of single day trips some people take. But for production he split theirs up. But in the theoretical real world single day 1000 miles the overnight charging is not an advantage offered.
Just no? Cherry picking hotel that offered charging would have made for a much more unrealistic test
Exactly. He took all the disadvantages electric cars have but none of the advantages. Still, good video.
10 min at a max. Filling up at a gas station does not take a long time, contrary to what people who haven’t filled up a gas tank in a hot min would tell you lmao.
I think people are missing the point of the test. To see if an EV could do what people "normally" consider a "normal" road trip because it's about range anxiety. OF COURSE, if you own an EV, you're going to consider the charging but you're already bought into the whole EV concept. He's trying to convince ICE owners.
Should've thrown in a hybrid as well. The hybrid 7 series or 5 series can do upwards of nearly 1000 miles on a single fuel up. A dude posted a video of taking his 7 series over 900 miles on a single tank which is insane. Certain there are other hybrids out there that can do the same, if not better. Would be entertaining to see how those would fair in this competition.
Maybe the fastest but probably not by much considering people still need food, even if their cars don't.
You see, I'm an Arab, I know English, so don't worry
@@destituteanddecadent9106 Yes, and bathroom breaks. And with an EV you can visit the bathroom and buy/eat your food while the car is charging but you are required to stand at the fuel bowser.
@@robsengahay5614 Fueling only takes like a couple of minutes that's why there's no need for you to leave your car. While electrics need considerably more amount of time so you cannot just wait there so you HAVE to go eat or shop something.
I'm not against electrics but don't takeaway a few benefits that gasoline cars have.
@@usmantariq7997 Seriously though it isn’t a benefit. Since driving an EV I have learned to appreciate taking a 20-30 minute stop every 3-4 hours. Properly stretch my legs and take a break.
I have realised how dangerously I used to drive and now wince when I hear comments about driving 10 hours with one 5-10 minute stop to refuel a gas car as it brings back memories.
In my opinion doing 1,000 miles in 2 days is NOT a road trip, but rather a range test and/or cannonball-like driving. It is lacking the "trip" part, where you might charge easily during viewing the tourist attractions etc.
I have a 40 kWh Nissan Leaf and would never ever revert back to a gasoline car.
Keep up the good work, just subscribed to your channel!
Greetings from Hungary!
One thing to keep in mind is that, even though road trips are slightly longer in an EV, it doesn’t compare to all of the time saved by never having to go to the gas station during everyday life. I’ll take an extra few minutes at a rest stop on an occasional road trip over weekly trips to the pump every time.
Ohhh that a very good point . But you need to fill up like once a month so not a huge benefit.
This only applies to people with EV charging at home. If you live in an apartment or something this argument actually gets flipped upside down and favors ICE by a large margin.
Though if the stars align for you it's a nice feature to have.
@@aryadhole uh... I fill up easily once a week. I get about 400 miles per tank and drive about 70 miles on work days.
If you're only filling up once a month you're barely using your car.
Instead of spending time at a gas station every 3 or 4 weeks, I would be spending time every time I drive plugging in my car. I fail to see the time saving here.
@@alexanderpinney also not everybody does this kinda of milage every day. Also not everybody live in USA.
This is exactly why we need a standardized charge port and charging system, to avoid this nightmare.
I will be getting a Rivian as my next vehicle. But I worry about the charging experience as you just outlined. I find myself torn between tesla because it's fleshed out and other evs for their looks and what I'd prefer in a vehicle. I hate that I feel forced to choose tesla in order to get a good experience. More to the point I hate having to pick a car based on their charging network. I would never buy a gas car based on the gas station I can use!
The common charge port is ccs. Works fine in Europe. Upside for Tesla owners is that they can also use other charge networks.
Most important result about this test is that the quality of the charge network is important. And a bunch of broken chargers is not helping.
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Gas stations are going to become like Phone booths.
Rivian needs to figure out how to manufacture a vehicle first there buddy.
@@stephena5752 You do realize that they are already doing that right?
I've been contemplating getting a Tesla because the high amounts of superchargers in my area. This has helped solidify my decision to getting a Tesla as my next car.
Get the Mercedes EQE! 👀
@@DragonBlueSpirit
Ew
@@ogzombieblunt4626 it's a pretty nice car.. obviously the EQS would be the dream but nobody's got money for that 🥺
@@ogzombieblunt4626 eqe is better than the tesla lmao. Teslas break if u arent careful with the interior. Mercedes is better but waaaaaaaaay too expsnsive
@@ogzombieblunt4626 yeah, tesla’s fit and finish is “ew”
Hmmm... thought there'd be a bigger difference in the cost of the trip. I'm contemplating buying the Y, but this video makes me think. Thank you for the content.
The graphical trip summary is on point - so nice to follow and great how you guys made it reset for each one so you could see the comparison 👍
Kinda wish they added a hybrid vehicle to the mix just to show that perspective as well.
Hybrid is just gas with extra steps
@@sktwister14 and usually greater range as well no?
@@megazillia not to a gas engine no
@@sktwister14 um what?
Yes, I have a hybrid that has a 560 mile range and it would've done this trip in a out half the time. It takes gas as no EV charge
Grand Tour: *has like 0.5 episodes per year*
Marques: "Fine, I'll do it myself"
But none can replace or even come near to The Grand Tour
@@abishek4300 OG top gear was better but grand tour is also great
@@abishek4300 Kinda true yeah
@@TheAviationistKhizr the OG top gear specials like the India edition and Africa edition are top tier television
@@TheAviationistKhizr the OG top gear specials like the India edition and Africa edition are top tier television
This guy delivers again. GG
Electric. I just got a secondhand gas car last year here in Jamaica, and by the time I’m ready for a new vehicle, electric should be more available here so I’m hoping to get one.
Nice vid, as always, thank you. My .02$: When you do one or two road trips a year then rent a great car - don't buy a car based on those one to two trips.
Good point, a lot of people buy things based on the fringe benefits and forget that day to day use is much more important.
Solid advice here! Same can be said about buying a pickup truck when you think you'll "need" it only to find out you haul stuff so infrequently (As a former pickup truck owner, ask me how I know!)
This was a super cool idea, would’ve been even cooler if it was filmed in a Top Gear race kinda style
I think the studio video will be more like that
Trust me it takes really a huge professional team with a script wtitten
Yeah, I was hoping for that. Nonetheless, this was very informative.
It will happen on Top Gear (possibly Grand Tour).
Great vid. This was clearly a lot of effort and time to put together, but it winds up showing the real world difference between gas and EVs. By all rights, road-tripping is rare and most people only do it once or twice a year (if that). I also think that in the time since this video has come out, it's become obvious gas prices are going to go up again.
Really, this just goes to show (to me) that most EVs are designed fundamentally wrong. The goal should not be to remove gasoline from the picture completely, but to remove it from commutes. I think a supercapacitor plug in hybrid is probably the "ideal" car, as the real objective should be to allow your average person's commute (~50 miles) to be 100% electric and around 50 MPG equivalent when running an internal gas generator, with about a 5 gallon tank. The real world difference between such a car and a pure electric is inconsequential in terms of gas usage, but the utility is much higher.
I wonder if you still believe this a year or whatever later? The cost (and weight and size) of adding in an almost never used ICE engine really doesn't seem like the ideal for just about anyone, actually. The added benefit of having 5 backup gallons comes at a direct cost of how many batteries you can pack into the car. You're not just straight adding 250 miles.
Even in this video, you see that the real world difference over two days and 1000 miles is 8%. EIGHT PERCENT! And then Marques put a 10% plus/minus error bar on it LOL. In other words... it's just not a problem generally. In the time since, EV ranges have gone up, Superchargers have gotten more prevalent, and gas has gotten more expensive.
To be fair, I think it's reasonable to keep plug in hybrids as an option for those people who really do need super, super long range (600-700 miles on a tank?). That's just plain not the VAST majority of people.
I want to see this with used cars in the future, to determine how well batteries last compared to gas tanks lol
Me too. EVs are still expensive. I would be a bit worried buying a second hand EV as replacing the battery would be expensive. We all know with phones and laptops that battery health gets worse over time.
m thinkng the same way lol
5 years w a model S75, same miles 243. 3.5 years w a Model 3 single motor long range, gained 10 mile via software updates. 315 miles to 325 miles range. I think you're good w the 2nd gen battery and up. I only fast charged on road trips, my "gas station" is at home. No need to go to an off site filling station, like a gas station while not on vacation mode w a home charger.
@@mistymu8154 that can vary greatly, some mobile devices have had great battery health after multiple years of fast charging, it just depends on the actual process of making the battery, there was reports about Tesla switching from its 75kwh to 90kwh and see faster decline in health, but I'd hope to see the use of software to preserve health, such as Google's pixel phones using the alarm app as a charging timer, so when the device is plugged in at night it will charge perfectly to 100% by say 8:00am at a constant speed and much slower speed, this could increase the life of a battery greatly
@@mistymu8154 it's a different lithium chemistry than cell phone. Listen to the second element when the mention the complete name of the battery type and it will tell you it's attributes.
You need to do this with the trucks when they come out (Rivian, Hummer, Cybertruck, F150 Lightning) and include off-roading in it
Cybertruck is an ugly vaporware, either Tesla will abandon it or modify it so it's totally different.
@@ElementaryWatson-123 yea I'm not a fan. Rivian is my pick!
I’m interested of the numbers while towing mostly
Towing performance is the most important metric
My pick will be hummer or F150, iconic trucks ❤️
imagine if Ford accounted for all the broken chargers - they would then have the world's smallest charging network
but this is why the Tesla charging network is so good - they have a huge incentive to keep it functioning perfectly. OEMs who rely on third party charging stations are doomed from the getgo, because they cannot pressure the supplier to fix broken chargers. I hate to think how much (tax) money is wasted building new chargers, instead of just fixing the ones already there...
This video really put things into perspective for someone looking to get an EV. Personally I will be looking into Hybrid vehicles a lot more after this video.
Take into account the maintenance of a hybrid and the availability to self service that vehicle
Great video.. only think you didn’t mention is how comfortable did each group traveled and how exhausted each group arrived at each destination ;)
That’s probably in the extended video he’s doing on the other channel
The anxiety of 1% battery left! 📈📈📈
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Kramer: Listen to me. When that car rolls into that dealership, and that tank is bone dry, I want you to be there with me when everyone says, "Kramer and that other guy, oh, they went further to the left of the slash than anyone ever dreamed!" [car makes puttering noises]
HAHAHA!! Great reference
Tesla's displayed range/state-of-charge has bottom buffer. So even at 0% state of charge, the car will still be able to go a little bit more.
1% is nuts.... I don't like going under 10%...
@@pedantic79 I've seen images of Teslas running at -3%
Bro, it was worse than 1%, it was 1 *mile* of range 12:09
I love the graphics! It’s so satisfying to see the difference
For some reason the outside camera microphone fits my ears better then inside the studio
Is it just that the mic was closer cuz you had it on your hand unlike in studio you have a better mic but not as close?
Use 'a better route planner' it tells when chargers are down, more real time. Also always charge to full at your overnight stops and never charge to full at super charges. That last 20% takes longer.
Well the difference is with a gas car u wont have to do any planning u get gas damn near whenever u please
@@draggy6544 you can't fuel up your gas car at home or at a hotel or landmark though. At least here in europe the charging infrastructure is well developed with many different big options like Tesla Supercharger (going to open up to all EVs next year), Ionity, enBW and even one of the biggest gas station chains (Aral) is adding 300kW fast charging points to their gas stations.
At least on my daily commute on the highway here in germany it is much easier to find a EV charging point than it is to find a gas station without exiting the highway and taking a 10 minute detour through a city. EV fastchargers are at nearly every highway resting place while highway gas stations, atleast on my route, are non-existing.
@@BizzMRK why would i care i could fill up in a minute
@@draggy6544 ignoring the time it takes to get to the gas station and potentially waiting in line for paying, yes. Outside of roadtrips you are never required to use a public charger on daily commutes.
@@BizzMRK i dont where the hell u live but i never have lines and there is a gas station right before i take the highway ramp so aside from turning into the gas station i dont drive around looking for one.
In Kenya, i know alot of people including me who would looove to own and drive EVs, but the infrastructure is just non existent, so for now gas is the only best option. Great insights though Marques.
Same in India
Same in Ukraine
Seems the technology won't come to us...I'm contemplating going for it and be there.
Same in America
Agreed should have allowed charging overnight to make it seriously “fair” as to what each individual vehicle is capable of.
Tht would mean availability of charging station at hotel where they rest and let the car charge over night, or leaving car in station and going hotel by taxi.
It wouldn’t really be “fair” as the gas car could not gas up overnight at a hotel. I agree that it is one of the perks of EVs
@@BarnDarnII But that’s real world. Advantage of gas car is they fill up much faster at a gas station. So not allowing the EV to charge up overnight at a hotel, a huge perk of EV ownership, is like saying a gas car has to wait at a gas station for 30 minutes since it isn’t “fair” that it fills up faster than an electric car can charge.
People would be complaining about it if they did
@@JasonLeiter most hotels don't have that though so it wouldn't be as real of results
7 hours 21 minutes and the convince of a pump always working plus being able to stop at any fueling station is way more attractive than both EV options.