WHY is Everyone Buying This Power Supply?? - Thermaltake Smart 600W

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  • @LinusTechTips
    @LinusTechTips  Рік тому +1607

    Corrections:
    0:45 - The LTT Forum PSU tier list has the Thermaltake PSU that we tested ranked in F tier, not C tier, as we said in the video. We tested the Thermaltake Smart 80+, not the Thermaltake Smart BM2.
    5:37 - The location of the 80 Plus Certification Levels that are shown on the Efficiency Sweep 115V graph actually corresponds to the 230V 80 Plus Certification numbers.
    Additionally, since our setup isn’t finalized, the numbers in this video should be considered in a bubble and shouldn’t be interpreted to confirm or refute 80 Plus or any other specification (Labs will get there Soon™).

    • @jony4t
      @jony4t Рік тому +19

      Kiss me Linus ❤

    • @LogicWeasel
      @LogicWeasel Рік тому +88

      While you're doing corrections, might I advise removing the link below the video to "Buy a Thermaltake Smart 600W PSU" since I don't think you want to endorse viewers buying that PSU (at all lol).

    • @Almbxeb7212
      @Almbxeb7212 Рік тому +3

      you forgot also Segotep GP650G v2, it is at 50 buck range and is tier B 80+ gold :D

    • @catwesker1576
      @catwesker1576 Рік тому +7

      how about adding the part to the video where the psu is bad lol, that would be a good correction 🤣🤣🤣

    • @ecruz2317
      @ecruz2317 Рік тому +2

      technially, i would be included in that title and i a'int buying sh!t, liena5s! :)

  • @pierregonzalez580
    @pierregonzalez580 Рік тому +4724

    Worth noting that the regular Thermaltake Smart you tested is in the F-tier of the PSU tier list, not in the C-tier like the Smart BM2 or 450BR, so it is at least rated properly according to its performance on that tier list.

    • @techconix
      @techconix Рік тому +18

      i use the 700ish watt version

    • @Garcia98
      @Garcia98 Рік тому +149

      Yeah, I hate that they tried to "discredit" the PSU tier list in the intro when, in reality, the placements of all the PSUs talked about in this video are correct.

    • @bdunn7037
      @bdunn7037 Рік тому +18

      ive used thermal take smart psus for 4 years, never had a problem

    • @thegame4027
      @thegame4027 Рік тому +196

      ​@@Garcia98 He didn't "discredit" them; he pointed them out as a better option than just buying whatever has a lot of reviews on Amazon. But obviously, having professional testing equipment like this will always result in more trustworthy data because it's not just based on experience or hearsay.

    • @Skiman__
      @Skiman__ Рік тому +12

      @@Garcia98funny how it’s their own forum’s tier list lol. It’s pretty good tbh, got a high quality psu and it’s working perfectly for ages

  • @saladgreens912
    @saladgreens912 Рік тому +767

    LTT has finally found their footing. Ever since they moved into the warehouse I’ve felt that their mission statement was kind of up in the air. They weren’t working for NCIX anymore, and this is a lot for some youtube reviews, whats the point?
    But this answers all that. LTT being a fully equipped independent testing house AND an entertainment media company with a large audience is a big deal. This isn’t just a couple UA-cam channels anymore, this is the main topic of the next urgent executive meeting in this industry.
    Independent testing has existed forever, but this is different. This isn’t testing for inside industry and technical enthusiasts, it’s for the average viewer.
    That matters because now everyone will be able to understand and care about a lot of important things you can’t advertise on the box. I’m sure a lot of decision making up to this point has been “this small thing costs X amount to make our product Y amount better, but our specifications sheet will be the same as our competitor that’s cheaper on the shelf next to us.” Now, it’s not going to be “no one will care/notice anyways is it really worth it”, it’s going to be “wholly s@&# we need to make sure our product isn’t cutting any corners before we get flamed in front of MILLIONS of viewers!”

    • @blueshky
      @blueshky Рік тому +5

      uh ok

    • @dc8836
      @dc8836 Рік тому +55

      @@blueshky Nah, they got a point. Sure, you've got channels like GN and HWU, but those cater primarily to gamers and enthusiasts, people who tend to already go in with a bit of know-how. LTT tends to focus on "casual" users, who may not know the finer points of selecting hardware or how to wrangle Windows problems.

    • @htko89
      @htko89 Рік тому +19

      @I_killed_that_beard_guynice short way of saying you don’t have an attention span.
      Not sure why this generation is so lazy to read, yet takes the time to type out the reply. Use your time more effectively

    • @htko89
      @htko89 Рік тому +1

      @I_killed_that_beard_guy you aren’t the first to make this kind of comment. Maybe you are productive typically, who knows. All i know is kids today have the attention span of a rat and cant focus for more than one paragraph. Maybe this fits you, maybe it doesn’t. Only you know.

    • @abadenoughdude300
      @abadenoughdude300 Рік тому +13

      @I_killed_that_beard_guy While they may have overreacted, on first glance your comment was too similar too the "duh too long not reading lmao" type replies that are pretty prevalent these days so it got reacted to maybe a bit too harshly. Sometimes what we say isn't taken as we hope it will be.

  • @0ctavoid
    @0ctavoid Рік тому +437

    i really appreciate the direction this channel is going in. from chill review vids to epic real time tests of equipments to verify what companies usually say and mark on their products, LMG is on the right track!

    • @Inuitman
      @Inuitman Рік тому +8

      You´re wrong, it turns out that linus made some mistakes.

    • @0ctavoid
      @0ctavoid Рік тому +12

      @@Inuitman damn shit turned fr

    • @clappeddd
      @clappeddd Рік тому +7

      This aged well..

    • @plopolip01
      @plopolip01 Рік тому

      so what? it happens , they are still doing well despite all@@Inuitman

    • @Inuitman
      @Inuitman Рік тому

      @@plopolip01 wrong

  • @sephondranzer
    @sephondranzer Рік тому +466

    I should note - LTT forums are filled with some of the most useful cool people on earth. Moderator there helped me diagnose my 7900 XTX having a vapor chamber issue. They also helped me get a X670E-Pro to post. Legit awesome forums

    • @Notorious544d
      @Notorious544d Рік тому +4

      It's a shame the website STILL shows a mobile view on my PC

    • @svgPhoenix
      @svgPhoenix Рік тому +8

      ​@Notorious544d what extensions do you use?

    • @williamowens2063
      @williamowens2063 Рік тому +14

      @@Notorious544dSounds like a problem on your end - possibly an extension.

    • @yobson
      @yobson Рік тому +1

      @@Notorious544d sort it out mate

    • @flaxe3223
      @flaxe3223 Рік тому +2

      i can also attest to this. ive had this problem with my pc where it would freeze 3-5 times daily for exactly 1 minute each freeze. it took years to fix but it was all thanks to the forum :)

  • @elrobert2858
    @elrobert2858 Рік тому +20

    I had the exact same psu in an older build I had(FX8350+RX570+16gb ram) and had no complaints. Sold it to a friend and hes still using it today with no issue.

  • @chrisspellman5952
    @chrisspellman5952 Рік тому +2168

    Considering just how much influence LTT has on shoppers, I have a real feeling we're about to see a lot of brands really up their PSU game.

    • @iHasCaek
      @iHasCaek Рік тому +38

      @@petermuller608 the "consumer" market is a pretty large segment especially nowadays

    • @onlyeyeno
      @onlyeyeno Рік тому +48

      ​@@petermuller608 Do You know the actual "fractions" of "OEMs vs Consumers",
      or is this just Your assumption ?
      Best regards

    • @yumri4
      @yumri4 Рік тому +3

      I am just hoping that the apparent power numbers also listed as VA on UPS units for the PSUs. The why is to get the correct UPS unit instead of assuming that the PSU used and everything else has a power factor of 1. Nothing has a power factor of 1 in the real world.

    • @skytree3993
      @skytree3993 Рік тому +1

      @@petermuller608 While that is true, the OEM design and how much to spend is a lot of times decided by the brand. So the brand could just tell the OEM manufacturer to use more solid components. Ofc this might get more expensive, but hopefully we get what we pay for

    • @Tixbomber
      @Tixbomber Рік тому +16

      @@iHasCaek Yes, more consumers have exponentially been buying pc's the past 20yrs. It's a completely irrelevant and obvious point. We live in the digital age. Not exactly gonna be using a typewriter or word processor "nowadays".... 90% of ALL pc's sold today, are still pre-built's, probably like 98% of those are most likely using bottom of the barrel psu's. What they really meant to convey (obviously) was the "enthusiast" market, and that's not even the remaining 10% of the market. So really, it's like 1-5% of the total pc market, is considering building their own pc. Or in greater context, just about nobody is looking at individual pc components. Let alone picking out a specific psu.
      "Hanging out" with groups of like minded people on the internet, will ALWAYS make said group seem WAAAAY "bigger" than what they actually are.

  • @Just_a_commenter
    @Just_a_commenter Рік тому +859

    Glad to see you're equipped to evaluate PSUs now. It's something so critical, yet so hard to objectively compare beyond wattage and efficiency. I've heard horror stories about PSU failures and its hard to discern what is a fluke and what is a result of poor quality

    • @JackPorter
      @JackPorter Рік тому +25

      also hard drives, we're basically just working off of community driven counts of personal experience. it's all very prone to all types of statistical bias.

    • @kaimojepaslt
      @kaimojepaslt Рік тому +1

      @@JackPorter what about them? hard drives set on fire?

    • @abd5139
      @abd5139 Рік тому +16

      @@kaimojepaslti mean loosing your precious data is also horrible

    • @ThePiprian
      @ThePiprian Рік тому +4

      I have personally lost 2 graphics cards to a dead PSU...

    • @ironphilly2366
      @ironphilly2366 Рік тому +1

      TF is your pfp

  • @Twitch_Moderator
    @Twitch_Moderator Рік тому +5

    I'm rocking a Thermaltake Tough Power 750w from 2015. It started with a i7 4790K and 980 Ti and now it is powering a 7800X3D and 3080.

  • @jtadevich
    @jtadevich Рік тому +725

    It's awful nice to have you folks performing third party tests who are committed to quality. This info is invaluable. Thanks a lot.

    • @shlev13
      @shlev13 Рік тому +1

      Yeah man cool

    • @blad...
      @blad... Рік тому +3

      It got me to subscribe.

    • @fynkozari9271
      @fynkozari9271 Рік тому

      I have been trying to find Corsair rm 550 watt everywhere. Ryzen dont need 650 watt.

    • @cgi2002
      @cgi2002 Рік тому +1

      Only thing that still concerns me is they may not be doing redundant testing. By that i mean running the same PSU but from say 3 different sources to see if the results differ. It's entirely possible to get a bad one which could skew the results, and without redundant testing you'd never know. Would also go a long way to ensuring they have similar build quality across the series.

    • @SangheiliSpecOp
      @SangheiliSpecOp Рік тому +1

      oof

  • @daleglass7349
    @daleglass7349 Рік тому +198

    A PSU test I'd like to see: UPS switchover handling.
    Most affordable UPSes are line interactive -- the computer is fed from AC, and only at power failure a relay switches to the battery. This means there is a time during which the computer is without any power, but this is expected to work due to the PSU's capacitors providing power during the interruption.
    I've had in the past a computer that would often reboot when the power failed and the UPS switched to battery. It would be interesting to see how PSUs for current high end computers with power hungry video cards fare in this scenario.

    • @niter43
      @niter43 Рік тому +25

      That's part of ATX PSU spec, called hold-up time (minimum of 17ms at full load after complete power loss is required), so they more than likely to test test already.

    • @koijoijoe
      @koijoijoe Рік тому +6

      I second the focus on this. My UPS makes me feel grateful all the time, lots of surges and dropouts and weirdness where I live, as well as outages a few times a year. Maybe there is some testing to be done on various UPS themselves too?

    • @tiger.98
      @tiger.98 Рік тому +14

      Also they should revisit the myth that only pure sinewave UPSes should be uses with modern PSUs due to active PFC

    • @alexandruilea915
      @alexandruilea915 Рік тому

      They would probably die instantly as the power requirement is huge while gaming with a high end setup.

    • @LukeBroadhurstfilm
      @LukeBroadhurstfilm Рік тому

      I would love to see this research too!
      I recently purchased a in-line ups and had a power cut. Pc didn’t reboot , but what was interesting is that my monitor seemed to have a very slight flicker.

  • @balesjo
    @balesjo Рік тому +25

    After years of trying different recommended power supplies, I've settled on Seasonic as my 'go-to' brand. It may be more expensive than some of the others, but they are solid and dependable. Many other brands with a good reputation are produced by Seasonic as well. Currently using a Seasonic Prime 650W Platinum

    • @carl5381
      @carl5381 7 місяців тому

      just stay away from their bronze. it lasts two years. that's it.

  • @Sam-934
    @Sam-934 Рік тому +494

    Holy crap, what an eye opener to the power of the labs. Linus and team delivering a major W for consumers

    • @skak3000
      @skak3000 Рік тому +6

      Game changer...

    • @ryanschenk2946
      @ryanschenk2946 Рік тому +28

      I'm pretty Amped

    • @wingcommanderbob8268
      @wingcommanderbob8268 Рік тому +5

      Not really anything Cybenetics wasn't already doing

    • @superslash7254
      @superslash7254 Рік тому +5

      JonnyGuru was doing this a decade ago before going to work for Corsair (big part of why they're now basically one of the only trustworthy names in PSUs).

    • @ZieClaw
      @ZieClaw Рік тому +1

      @@superslash7254 Good joke, even Corsair had trash PSUs while he was working there. There is no "trustworthy brand" when it comes to PSUs

  • @mephiplays4637
    @mephiplays4637 Рік тому +192

    I would love to see the noise level of the power supplies at specific loads as well. I bought a Seasonic 1300W and ended up with a be quiet because the seasonic was the loudest component in my computer.

    • @Lxcx311
      @Lxcx311 Рік тому +4

      I agree!
      Even expensive PSUs can be loud af even if they cost 100 bucks and i even had one for 200 bucks that was louder than any of my other components.

    • @carpelunam
      @carpelunam Рік тому +5

      dude I upgraded from the only psu I ever had and I didnt realize I had a super quiet one the whole time..this new one sounds like an xbox 360 playing gta 4

    • @chaos.corner
      @chaos.corner Рік тому +2

      I've bought "silent" PSUs that sounded exactly the same as the generics they replaced.

    • @UnrealApprentice
      @UnrealApprentice Рік тому

      Same with my EVGA 1600w

    • @tylersanders2388
      @tylersanders2388 Рік тому

      This is a really good point. It is actually really difficult to make a quiet power supply and it is a relevant measurement for enthusiasts

  • @mikiehill67
    @mikiehill67 11 місяців тому +13

    I'm back. I commented around 6 months ago saying I like the Thermaltake Smart power supplies. Also said I had a Smart 700w PSU in my PC and bought a Smart 600w PSU for my brother's PC. Well I'm happy to say they both are still working great. I use my PC daily and I have had absolutely zero problems out of them.

    • @FlimzyYT
      @FlimzyYT 10 місяців тому +2

      thanks, im planning on getting the 700w. How is the noise btw?

    • @FlimzyYT
      @FlimzyYT 10 місяців тому +1

      also what are your pc specs?

    • @mikiehill67
      @mikiehill67 10 місяців тому +1

      @@FlimzyYT The noise is not a problem at least for me. I don't ever hear it. Also my specs for the PC is ASRock A520M-HDV Ryzen 5 5600G with 32GB RAM 3200MHz clocked up to 3600MHz 1TB nvme and ASRock RX 6600 8Gb oh yeah and the Thermaltake Smart 700W PSU.

    • @FlimzyYT
      @FlimzyYT 10 місяців тому +1

      @@mikiehill67 Thanks for the reply, sounds great because im planning on building a pc with similar specs

    • @mikiehill67
      @mikiehill67 10 місяців тому +1

      May I ask what specs you are planning on? I'm just curious that's all. Oh and is this your first build?

  • @wasir3703
    @wasir3703 Рік тому +460

    Just came here to watch this video after seeing Linus talk about how EVGA PSUs are out of stock as they might be winding down their business. 😅😅

    • @Deadboy90
      @Deadboy90 Рік тому +9

      Pardon? I literally just bought one.

    • @bdbdkdfotbrveiw
      @bdbdkdfotbrveiw Рік тому +6

      @@Deadboy90return that bad boy 😂 sorry for your loss, this is just speculation though

    • @TheBlueBunnyKen
      @TheBlueBunnyKen Рік тому +1

      Speculation says EVGA will be gone in 2026

    • @TheCompyshop
      @TheCompyshop Рік тому +49

      @@Deadboy90You’re fine, enjoy your power supply. Everyone is just speculating that EVGA is slowly winding down over the next few years. Doesn’t mean anything for you, your warranty is still valid. Everything everyone is saying is just speculation, not fact. EVGA hasn’t said they are shutting down or doing anything

    • @DaniPlaysTechy
      @DaniPlaysTechy Рік тому

      @@TheCompyshopSHUSH BROKEY, NOBODY WANTS TO TALK WITH YOU

  • @Gamingandblaming2023
    @Gamingandblaming2023 Рік тому +9

    I have the 700w Thermaltake Smart one in my build.
    It works fine, and I got it on Newegg for a steal from a 3rd-party seller for ~$28. Been working excellently ever since I got it, no complaints from me.

    • @Gamingandblaming2023
      @Gamingandblaming2023 Рік тому +1

      Mind you that my system has decent power draw with a R5 5600g and 1070 ti combo (may upgrade gpu soon).

    • @KingSteven77
      @KingSteven77 Рік тому

      @@Gamingandblaming2023 Same. I got the 600w one for ~$25 after shipping and tax. It's running a R5 5600X and RX 5700 XT.

    • @leekiee
      @leekiee 9 місяців тому

      @@Gamingandblaming2023how long have you had the build, and is it still running?

  • @arriagaadrian91
    @arriagaadrian91 Рік тому +2

    I’m glad I saw this video. I recently put together a build for my son‘s birthday and decided to opt for the more expensive EVGA power supply because I had issues with a thermal take the power supply on my own personal build years ago. I wanted to make sure that I built a system that would last for my son and I’m glad that I went with the EVGA PSU

  • @arantes6
    @arantes6 Рік тому +481

    Would love to see consistency tests : testing different units of the same models, to check if they all test the same or if there is a lot of variation

    • @dbagdi1998
      @dbagdi1998 Рік тому +19

      That probably won’t happen, that one factor would literally x3-x5 the budget for each PSU

    • @dbagdi1998
      @dbagdi1998 Рік тому +8

      @@Malc180s But when your testing every PSU on the market, it’s not cheap anymore. Most half good PSUs are like £150. So testing that PSU would cost £750 then with the 100s of PSUs on the market. You looking at about 100k for just PSUs when it could have cost you 20k

    • @kutlaykizil
      @kutlaykizil Рік тому +11

      ​@@dbagdi1998 True, though they can make the consistency tests to some of the select PSUs after creating the database

    • @zsomborszarka2616
      @zsomborszarka2616 Рік тому +5

      Oh my god this is probably the most important test for budget powersupplies.

    • @Seeedking001
      @Seeedking001 Рік тому +6

      Exactly my thoughts, i would even go as far as to say they should get them from different regions. Like America & EU atleast which may lead to more different batches. What i really do not want to see is them testing only 1 power supply they got sent from the manufacturer or shortly after the release, getting good results and after that the manufacturer decides to lower the components quality.

  • @memadmax69
    @memadmax69 Рік тому +777

    You know what really makes that power supply testing rig REALLY worth it?
    It could potentially save lives.
    And thats worth it.

    • @davidphillips5677
      @davidphillips5677 Рік тому +1

      @@inqizzo lol

    • @Guardian_Arias
      @Guardian_Arias Рік тому +15

      in more way than you imagine, a reliable PSU would be worth millions in military and medical applications where 12v stability is a must. If an off the shelf PSU proves to be more reliable than a 25k usd custom made in a dudes garage with an NSN sticker, guess who just saved hours of work and who is now paying 40k because the old one is discontinued with no chance of the contract being renewed.

    • @dangingerich2559
      @dangingerich2559 Рік тому +14

      Had a cheap power supply melt the solder, short circuit the 12V rail into the 5V rail, and fry every single other component in my nephew's system. I will never buy a cheap power supply again. This stuff will help.

    • @thunderfire741
      @thunderfire741 Рік тому

      Problem that most that watch this are probably aware to some extend to avoid death

    • @julkkis666
      @julkkis666 Рік тому

      ​@@thunderfire741tbh not all. When linus makes his list, we'll be able to reffer to that. Otherwise i personally have just known about the 80 bronze etc stuff and the wattage rating. How else to know what you're looking at? Now we'll know.

  • @piers2225
    @piers2225 Рік тому +91

    It makes me happy to see actual genuine testing that can make people confident in purchasing. Hopefully it means manufacturers step up their game too. Thank you!

    • @Inuitman
      @Inuitman Рік тому +7

      it wasn´t a genuine test.

  • @mobbel78
    @mobbel78 Рік тому +229

    As a measurement engineer I love how you’re pushing in the field of test design and hardware ❤

    • @skydivenext
      @skydivenext Рік тому

      People should not trust engineers after all sone of the "best engineers" endangered many lives

    • @ubacow7109
      @ubacow7109 Рік тому +1

      What does a measurement engineer do?

    • @hiddendrifts
      @hiddendrifts Рік тому +1

      @@skydivenext what are you referring to?...

    • @squidikka
      @squidikka Рік тому +4

      @@ubacow7109 Measurement engineers measure engineers.

    • @jtadevich
      @jtadevich Рік тому

      @@skydivenext we should never trust any other person blindly. People either make honest mistakes, all the way to the opposite side of the spectrum and make stuff knowing some consumers will die. Thus third party testing.
      Gotta love honest folks trying to do the right thing.

  • @DoctorTrueheart
    @DoctorTrueheart Рік тому +467

    I would be interested in seeing LTT test multiple of each model of Power Supply to quantify the deviation you can expect between your unit and what is being advertised!

    • @stephm0
      @stephm0 Рік тому +15

      This. The EVGA 400 N1 unit might have been defective causing the low power factor. Who knows what criteria the QC procedure of a manufacturer does and not include? An independent test should look at least several units from different production batches.

    • @DoctorTrueheart
      @DoctorTrueheart Рік тому +13

      @@Noah-lj2sg Nah, I get what youre saying, but not all QC is the same for every manufacturer, much less every product line, and knowing the tolerances of each model can be very informative when trying to diagnose an issue with your unit that might be slightly underperforming. Of course, I also want a wider breadth of tests :)

    • @PenPeng
      @PenPeng Рік тому +4

      I agree. I hope that once they have automated everything, they could re-buy all products every 6-12 months and re-test everything. Would be really interesting I think. Not just to test for QC or variance, but manufacturers have massively changed products without notice in the past. (See SSDs where they changed both the controller and the flash.)

    • @GalaxyXYZ888
      @GalaxyXYZ888 Рік тому +1

      Yeah I was thinking about that, buying and testing like 3 psu from each model from each brand would be very expensive tho but I hope they do it !!?

    • @PenPeng
      @PenPeng Рік тому +1

      @@GalaxyXYZ888 would it even be *that* expensive compared to the cost of the testing equipment? xD

  • @Toutvids
    @Toutvids Рік тому +1

    I bought a brand new 550 watt EVGA about 5 years ago... it turned on, then off and never ran again. Still sitting in the box on a shelf. It would cost more to ship it to them for rma than it cost me to buy. I've had about 6 Thermaltake units and not one has ever failed.

  • @SharkWipf
    @SharkWipf Рік тому +81

    I'm pretty excited to see the lab coming into action, hope it'll pay off the investment.
    As for stuff to test, I'm sure you've already thought of this, but I'd be pretty interested in seeing how older, well-used power supplies compare to new, unused ones. I.e. degradation over time.

  • @Lesani
    @Lesani Рік тому +45

    It is AMAZING that you provide not only North American voltage tests, but also European voltages. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

  • @Godigentil97
    @Godigentil97 Рік тому +19

    This is incredible! I am excited to no end by these precise technical overviews of stats THAT ACTUALLY MATTER in everyday use. While manufacturers will make a product page look good, you prove to us that a product is good, or bad. Can't wait for more content like this.

  • @rovex_
    @rovex_ Рік тому +67

    Would be awesome to eventually get a list of reccomended PSUs for different scenarios. Like best budget, best high end pc, best for NAS (stable 5V rail), best for efficiency etc

    • @sstier48
      @sstier48 Рік тому +3

      Psu cultist list

  • @uatlagh
    @uatlagh Рік тому +28

    I am glad to see you brought out something like the N1 for testing. Many average consumers while they may know to trust certain brands over others don't know that those same brands can still produce total crap

    • @riba2233
      @riba2233 Рік тому

      Yeah in eu this wouldn't pass

  • @jubies6286
    @jubies6286 Рік тому +21

    It's actually incredible what Linus and his team have been accomplishing with the labs. I don't know that tech journalism has ever seen anything quite like this, and they could have a pretty big impact on hardware manufacturers taking accountability for their products as they move forward.

  • @Codewalker22
    @Codewalker22 Рік тому +133

    I'd suggest making the baseline in diagrams to zero and not other values (like 0.3 in the PFC diagram). It tends to mislead on a quick glance and makes things look wrong in comparison

    • @Steamrick
      @Steamrick Рік тому +20

      You are correct and yet I disagree with your example because there's nothing wrong with making bad PFC look as terrible as possible...

    • @GodlikeIridium
      @GodlikeIridium Рік тому +1

      Totally agree.

    • @GodlikeIridium
      @GodlikeIridium Рік тому +8

      ​@@hammerth1421That's the only correct way to do it.

    • @Codewalker22
      @Codewalker22 Рік тому +4

      I totally agree, but since Linus wants a solution that works for everyone, LTT should either add a small explanation on the split axis for those who have no experience in reading lots of diagrams and just rely on the visual impression, or use the full axis range.

    • @noxious89123
      @noxious89123 Рік тому +1

      But when all of your results are bunched up in one area, you just end up with a lot of blank space on your chart and lower resolution for the useful data.

  • @chrisconner5777
    @chrisconner5777 Рік тому +65

    When I've researched PSU's in the past, the tricky part turned out to be that the name on the outside isn't as important as the OEM. Unfortunately, most PSU's, regardless of brand, are made by a small handful of manufacturers, and varying models with the same brand on the outside may come from completely different OEM's. Something really obscure may be from a solid OEM, while some top-tier name brand may be stamped on a total pile of flaming garbage (possibly literally). As a rule-of-thumb, reputable brands are a good start, and that obscure PSU with a solid OEM may or may not have questionable features tacked on or skimped, but research, research, research!

    • @TH3C001
      @TH3C001 Рік тому +11

      I believe that is some of the most unacceptable BS in the PC world. How can a component so important and so essential for an entire PC to function be so obscure, so mysterious, and so hard to find information on? That is why I think this is probably the most valuable and important thing LTT has ever done. This sort of things is long overdue and I couldn’t be more thankful that they’re finally stepping in to change things.

    • @chrisconner5777
      @chrisconner5777 Рік тому +5

      @@TH3C001 100% agree. Once LTT and GN both get fully rolling on PSU testing, the DIY PC community will have an invaluable set of resources we've been sorely lacking

    • @AshenTech
      @AshenTech Рік тому

      @@TH3C001 i have had to explain to more then a few people that SuperFlower, FSP and GreatWall are all name brands, infact, often their higher tier models are better then what 3rd parties have them produce for re-badge, as the OEM's are known to omit or add features to save money and boost sales, like an oem removing part of the PFC in favor of having RGB installed and still meet the profit targets...
      i have had some great and horrible psu's from top names, as well as no-names... "sparkle" wasnt well known by most, but i was using them in the 90's because they were FSP builds and 30-50% cheaper then antec for better quality, no joke, never had one of hundreds we used fail.. not without it being a power surge/lightning strike that took it out.. even then only the psu died the rest of the system was protected.. just really great units.. more so for the price..
      i always tell people to research and for psu, over spec, when asked why.. longevity, both of the psu itself but also, overhead for upgrades later, part of why i bought this evga 1300watt when i did was because it was overkill and would last me a while, i dont plan to pull 1300watts, but..running it below nominal max load... means its more efficient and wont age so quickly... i dont tend to run low power rigs.. 9370, x5675/w3680@4.7ghz, 7980xe@4.6, but even for very low power rigs, i tend to over spec the psu as a matter of course... nothing worse then finding out you gotta replace the psu to upgrade the cpu/gpu because it was "just enough" ... ask my buddy with his kids ryzen 1600 rig.. LOL..uses a non-standard psu you cant just swap.. not and mount a normal or sff psu in the case anyway... he regrets not listening to me before buying the kid a system on the cheap.. heh..

  • @jamescompo
    @jamescompo Рік тому +148

    Man, Linus really is trying to bring EVGA back from the brink of death, and I love it

    • @griffin1366
      @griffin1366 Рік тому +16

      For what purpose? EVGA CEO cashed out and left.

    • @ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg
      @ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg Рік тому

      ​@@griffin1366buyout/investment

    • @griffin1366
      @griffin1366 Рік тому +3

      @@ilovefunnyamv2nd I don't know who Logan Paul is but EVGA CEO cashed out. 10 years of sales within a year of the crypto boom.

    • @xDamage69
      @xDamage69 Рік тому

      @@griffin1366 really? thats sad to hear, i have always trusted EVGA even tho i havent bought anything in a long time

    • @griffin1366
      @griffin1366 Рік тому +12

      @@xDamage69 Just a reminder then that companies aren't your friend :)

  • @Idletsu
    @Idletsu Рік тому +90

    Please do 220-240V tests too! Would be really nice to see how they differ

    • @TheCrazyCanuck420
      @TheCrazyCanuck420 Рік тому +10

      Linus, 240V, what could go wrong?

    • @m1stertim
      @m1stertim Рік тому

      Did you even watch the video?

    • @Cleath78
      @Cleath78 Рік тому +1

      I think I saw at least one 230V test graph in there. I think they've got you covered!

    • @blobhead7
      @blobhead7 Рік тому +1

      @@Cleath78 what about the amps draw in 230V?

    • @xfy123
      @xfy123 Рік тому

      ​@@blobhead7in general it's gonna be a lot less. If a psu is using 600w on a 230v line it's gonna be drawing 2.6 amp give or take a few decimals but on a 120v line it's gonna be around 5 amps of current draw.

  • @vitorviotti
    @vitorviotti Рік тому +52

    It's really great to see the psu lab coming together. As for my opinions and suggestions for methodology:
    Some of the graphs are not very easy to understand, power factor corrections as an example having the beer analogy was a great way to digest the concept, so maybe having more analogies would be great.
    Voltage ripple is a must have
    As a solid foundation the clear information of pass or fail on the atx standard is easy to understand, so including as many standards tests as possible. One option to make the results digestible is determining weight to each results and creating a general score as the tier list. I personally like a mad genius tester in Brazil that gives the score "bomb" or "explosion hazard" to the worst offenders and them going a more traditional F to S tier.
    Include 220-240v results, as a international spectator in my country we have 110-220v on city by city, so this would be an interesting info for people with similar situations.
    A recommendation of use would also be very interesting. Even a 30 dolar suspicious psu from wish can maybe be used for a low power home theater PC.
    And speaking of wish, also include aliexpess and other alternative options just so we can see how big of a fireball you can make it with them.
    Use the thermal camera not only from an efficiency POV but also on the hazard and thermal effects on the system.
    Does the PSU sold in canada is the same as the one in a a low importance market? Does a psu in Europe that has more restrictions and standards is better? Obviously this is not something that you guys can do for all samples, but it would be a nice extra.
    Are there practical differences from a new psu to an old one?
    Does the psu operate differently on lower or higher temperatures? (is the psu tester close to the ambient chamber? 😅)
    Destructive testing. Can the psu survive and/or protect the rest of the system after a lightning strike hit and the rest of the electrical system did not go off in time?
    How reliable are those 5 dollar psu testers? Are there better brands or models so we can test a psu at the wild?
    You guys are doing a service to the whole community, thank you for your efforts in making companies more accountable for the products they but in the market. I wish I could buy more LTT merch, but between the exchange rate and import fees, getting a back pack for example would cost me a whole minimum wage salary for a month plus some change.

    • @antoniogott
      @antoniogott Рік тому

      who is the Brazilian tester you talked about?

  • @thedudely1
    @thedudely1 10 місяців тому +1

    I love this video. Coming back to it after watching it for the first time when it came out and I'm really appreciating the thoroughness and attention to detail now that I'm actually looking to buy a PSU for myself

  • @andrewt9204
    @andrewt9204 Рік тому +14

    The efficiency graph could use the 80 Plus Rating legend flipped to make it easier to decipher. Maybe have the colors a bit more distinct as well.
    This is a nice start to PSU testing though, can't wait to see how some A/B tier units stack up.

  • @roarsy
    @roarsy Рік тому +29

    It's amazing that we get this sort of info and even more coming with Labs team, for free. Well done to the entire LTT team!

    • @nhand42
      @nhand42 Рік тому

      It's not "for free". It's funded by merch sales, ad revenue, sponsors, floatplane, etc. Ultimately Linus is paying for it using revenue from other sections of his company and penultimately we are paying for it through all of the above.

  • @aidanbrooks771
    @aidanbrooks771 Рік тому +1

    I had a Thermaltake Smart 80+ 700w in my system for about 2.5 years. If I remember right I got it for $55 Canadian dollars off of Amazon. Still works perfectly but when I upgraded my PC I swapped it out for a Corsair RM850

  • @tiger.98
    @tiger.98 Рік тому +15

    A thing I would really like to see tested is PSU aging. How much worse does regulation gets with time? Does frequent use make it worse or better? In short: do old PSUs need to be replaced?

  • @jjjarod1
    @jjjarod1 Рік тому +4

    Im gonna be that guyand point out just after 4:20 Linus says Closlier instead of closer, and I love it and want everyone to enjoy this with me. Thanks for all the handwork Linus! cant wait to see mor labs stuff and lists and testing and so on :)

  • @Robert-wq1sz
    @Robert-wq1sz Рік тому +10

    I've used the Thermaltake Smart 700 White for dozens of builds and all of them have been rock solid for years.

    • @thouxanbandzae
      @thouxanbandzae Рік тому +1

      You think i’d be good with Ryzen 5600x and 3070?

    • @cyberrunner6529
      @cyberrunner6529 11 місяців тому +1

      @@thouxanbandzae 700 watt is enough for 3070 using the same psu with no issues nut mine one is black 80 plus

    • @astronola
      @astronola 10 місяців тому

      Same bro

  • @bardthetrue2183
    @bardthetrue2183 Рік тому +22

    I'd love for LTT to start sharing this data on their website in the form of Web API's.
    Think of the amount of tools developers can create for consumers to help avoid bad or unsafe purchases. Just two examples: PCPartPicker could connect to the API's for these power supply data and provide a warning for unsafe power supplies. Or someone to could create an app that compares their GPU benchmarks to prices on ebay or Amazon to give a New or Used Gaming Value.

    • @DoctorTrueheart
      @DoctorTrueheart Рік тому +7

      They've spoken on that subject on WAN, the potential problem might be LLMs like ChatGPT that might take that info and LTT loses the value of the data. Which isnt to say they wont do it, if I recall they didnt make a decision either way yet

  • @a0dnk1
    @a0dnk1 Рік тому +6

    Creating a database like this is a crazy cool idea. I'm happy that its linus of all, who took this challenge as i can usually expect transparent and accurate data.

  • @kingofthegames7179
    @kingofthegames7179 2 місяці тому

    From my personal experience, i've been using the smart 600 since october 2019, haven't had any problems.
    Currently running 16gb ram, 3 ssds, r7 3700x and a rx 6800. Think i'm pretty much pushed right up against the 600w limit.

  • @shankS0
    @shankS0 Рік тому +11

    Great video I hope labs will be able to also test European brands like Endorfy, and not just American only brands. Also in case of power supplies I hope they will be tested at both 230V and 120V.

  • @HowIsWaldo
    @HowIsWaldo Рік тому +4

    For the efficiency graphs it might be nice to see something more like what cybenetics does with their powersupply reports. They show a bit more of a complete picture of efficiency, showing how things change depending on how much power is coming from each rail. I also find the graphs to be much more compelling since you can easily visualize how efficient particular units are based on the size of each colour shown in the graphs. They also do a similar thing with power supply load vs noise which are great to know if you are planning a quiet build.
    Cybenetics also duplicates testing to show 120v and 240v results which might be appreciated by our european friends.

    • @HowIsWaldo
      @HowIsWaldo Рік тому

      Either way I highly recommend checking out their reports for inspiration (though I imagine you have already) since they do a phenomenal job of it

  • @SilverLuna07
    @SilverLuna07 Рік тому +1

    Actually makes me really excited! Far too long I've neglected power efficiency on these types of components, despite my PC being one of the most power hungry and expensive devices to run in my house. This will actually give you an easy and legitimate way to decide whether forking over that extra 50 bucks is worth it over the course of the next few years!
    Also it will just show what is simply objectively better for the environment in the long run.

  • @crumbman
    @crumbman Рік тому +7

    I know it's probably a bit more complicated to pull offf but it would be great if you could also test those PSUs with 230V (for those like us European plebs) because the efficiency changes with the input voltage.

    • @thorbear
      @thorbear Рік тому +3

      Also, apparently the tier lists are less useful for us, because at least the list referenced in this video will automatically C-tier a PSU if it only delivers full capacity at 230v. So devices built for the European market, that are otherwise A/B-tier will fly under the radar in that list.

  • @4carhur1more
    @4carhur1more Рік тому +6

    I'm excited to see what the labs have in store for PSU reviews! With all the data on other components of computers, there isn't as much across the board for PSUs and it will be good to know that we'll have reliable information down the pipeline when it comes to making decisions on buying a PSU.

  • @u0aol1
    @u0aol1 Рік тому

    I've got a Thermaltake Smart 500W in my current computer and it's served me well. My computer is virtually always on. I get my new computer next week though so it'll finally get a rest

  • @iggysixx
    @iggysixx Рік тому +4

    I really love this new aspect of LMG. Really interested in future results (particularly in the 'cheap' segment.. Which could possibly be the segment with the most interesting results.. "How are they keeping the prices low, and what does that mean in practise?"
    "And how do 'inferior' parts / omitted failsafes influence real-world performance and reliability?"
    And curious what else you might be testing next (besides power supplies). But for now - PSUs. Build thine database (and please - if possible - have it accessible to us mere mortals)

  • @nickshaw3619
    @nickshaw3619 Рік тому +3

    I am so excited to see each part of Labs start paying off. As many PCs as I've built, some aspects, like PSUs, have always felt like rolling the dice. It's literally a black box, that I have to trust with my components, my power bill, and the safety of my house, yet it has always been hard to get reliable information about their performance and reliability. Linus' work to change that is VERY much appreciated!

  • @kmieciu4ever
    @kmieciu4ever Рік тому

    I'm using the same Seasonic S12 500W PSU since the P4 Northwood days. Right now it's powering a Ryzen 5600 & GTX 1060. Total power draw is 150W while gaming according to software, and about 200 W from the wall using a watt meter. Not that efficient, but not bad either. And the HDB Fan is still quiet after 18 years!

  • @big_man_nine6488
    @big_man_nine6488 Рік тому +15

    I've had the 700w for years and it works like beauty

    • @aaronsmo7082
      @aaronsmo7082 Рік тому

      Just bought it a month ago.

    • @carposp7789
      @carposp7789 Рік тому +1

      same, i have it with a 3080/I5-11400 combo, and no issues so far

  • @Felinusfish
    @Felinusfish Рік тому +9

    It is really annoying whenever power supplies don't tell you the full picture right out of the gate. That's why everybody always recommends going a step above what you think you'll end up being at. If you think you could reach 600 watts, you go with 700 watts. That's usually the best thought process to make sure you don't get boned by your purchase of a brand new power supply.

    • @HerbaMachina
      @HerbaMachina Рік тому

      That's also to factor in the slight loss in ability to supply power by your PSU over time as the Capacitors degrade

    • @Felinusfish
      @Felinusfish Рік тому

      @@HerbaMachina that's a good point, which would also be why you go one up what's needed

    • @a5cent
      @a5cent Рік тому +1

      Actually not so good advice. PSU's are most efficient when driven at around 50% of their rated wattage.
      On the other hand, just knowing your average power draw is harder than you'd think, because all components list their max power draw, which is almost never what they actually draw.

  • @BockworschtSoldier
    @BockworschtSoldier Рік тому

    I used the Smart 600 to replace a broken one in an old build I use to watch YT while using my sport equipment. And I used two of them to build pc´s for some acquaintance of mine. Their rigs run fine for almost two years. I have a Thermaltake Toughpower Grand 1200W 80 Plus Platinum PSU in my main Rig btw. Never had problems with this either.

  • @IntingADCurry
    @IntingADCurry Рік тому +3

    Im really looking forward to a LTT Labs page where we can filter the data and pick our hardware not only according to price and specs but also to how it ACTUALLY performs. This will be a huge change for the PC Industry and will put a lot of pressure on manufacturers. Finally!

  • @costafilh0
    @costafilh0 Рік тому +3

    Can't wait for this to reach many more units. It will make so easier to research and make decisions and recommendations. Hopefully the data is free to use for final users. If not, at least this type of video on recommendations would help. But they should be on the same power category, not price. Because price varies a LOT from country to country.

  • @Caderynwolf
    @Caderynwolf Рік тому

    Ok, so I was going to buy this power supply (here in uk) because it was the best value for money, for a friend whos psu blew up/shorted... But decided to get an evga 600w for £7 more because I prefer EVGA psu's and I know it'll be fine... at 4:35 I am SOOO glad I decided to stump up the extra for the EVGA.

  • @EricFixalot
    @EricFixalot Рік тому +7

    It might be a good idea to test multiple samples of the same PSU. If you look at when Gamer's Nexus tested the exploding Gigabyte units, I think he said that like half of the units passed the tests.
    To help offset the cost, you could sell the good test PSUs for a discount. I'd like to have a store to buy the reputable new parts as well. If you did start selling parts, you could also look closer at a particular part if you're getting a lot of RMAs.
    Not sure if it's possible, but it would also really help if you could test motherboards too because it's hard to really trust any of the brands. I just have to go by the reviews individually which really sucks, especially when you get something well reviewed because people plug it in and it works fine, but then fries your CPU over time with excessive voltage or something.

  • @watercannonscollaboration2281
    @watercannonscollaboration2281 Рік тому +4

    Really cool to see the labs being able to test out things that might explode (or if you’re talking about Gigabyte, “will” explode)
    In the meanwhile I’m sticking to buying discounted PSUs on EVGA’s b-stock

    • @mike-tq5es
      @mike-tq5es Рік тому

      what Gigabyte PSU model are you talking about that explodes?

    • @nathanlowery1141
      @nathanlowery1141 Рік тому

      @@mike-tq5eslook up gamers nexus exploding power supply video

  • @dt35591
    @dt35591 10 місяців тому +1

    Hope the database gets up and running soon because it'll be nice to have a comprehensive list based on actual data instead of relying on a bunch of forums "experts" who claim that if any non-Corsair/Seasonic/EVGA PSU is so much as plugged into your motherboard your computer is as good as dead.
    Most of the people I see posting lists of good/bad PSU brands give off that audiophile stink.

  • @cherrypepsi2815
    @cherrypepsi2815 Рік тому +6

    I was actually about to buy one of these for my newest build (built July 3rd), but the guy at Micro Center led me to a much nicer EVGA PSU for the same price that was much better. Cheers!

  • @Voltaic_Fire
    @Voltaic_Fire Рік тому +8

    I'm glad that the labs are getting use, there isn't anyone else doing these kinds of tests and it'd be sad to waste all that money. I wonder if LMG will ever issue a buyer's guide, like the Michelin guide but for tech. I also wonder why they don't absolutely plaster their roofs with solar panels to save or even make money, they could also build a solar awning between their buildings to generate power while protecting their cars from the weather.

    • @TotoGeenen
      @TotoGeenen Рік тому +5

      There are multiple other companies doing this

  • @tastethedoom9967
    @tastethedoom9967 Рік тому

    Yeah i use LTT powersupply list to buy my own and man good i did. I had no idea when I was trying to buy one what is is good and bad, thanks for the help people.

  • @ohboiiPumba
    @ohboiiPumba Рік тому +10

    Glad seeing you guys pushing forward with this. Shocking what little knowledge people have about their PSUs.

  • @AG-bp3ll
    @AG-bp3ll Рік тому +25

    Loving what this lab is doing. Wish this had been around when I built my last PC.

  • @Maartwo
    @Maartwo Рік тому

    Two of my friends built custom PCs this and last year and came to me for review of the parts they were recommended by the shops they were buying the parts from. Both of them recommended this PSU to them and a RGB-filled case with no fans. It was easy to convince them to use the money they would spend between those two items to get a better power supply by asking them how much they valued the money they were putting into the build.

  • @xisplo
    @xisplo Рік тому +6

    These videos are so helpful in putting brands on the spot. I really hope an industry overhaul happens based on the data that the lab will be putting out

    • @TheHammerGuy94
      @TheHammerGuy94 Рік тому

      or, some companies will be forced to do underhanded a-hole maneuvers
      like putting NDAs in their terms and conditions.
      or outright trying to pursue legal action by exploiting defamation laws.
      or in the case of nintendo, apple and john deere, abusing copyright and patent laws.
      Journalism always pisses people off if people in question are the ones being put in a bad light.
      I know in my country, a youtube doctor got harassed by a quack for exposing her quacking
      and harrassed him by hiring a stalker in his country.

  • @MrAlexguldager
    @MrAlexguldager Рік тому +5

    Would love to see you open op the ones that failed to see if there is any clue as to what failed and if it's the same component that failed. And also to see if the PCB perhaps is made at the same factory, and/or with the same components.

  • @button-puncher
    @button-puncher Рік тому

    Bad power factor kicks garbage out on the incoming line too. Causes weird interference problems. Buzzing in audio equipment that isn't well filtered. Flickering in lights. Especially cheap LED lights.
    [H]ardOCP used to have AWESOME power supply tests. Seasonic was always at the top of the heap. That's what I've bought since and have never been disappointed.

  • @amariucaisilviu8768
    @amariucaisilviu8768 Рік тому +8

    I wonder if they should do testing on both 120 and 230V. I have no knowledge about this, but i reckon they would differ even on the same power supply model

  • @c2thew
    @c2thew Рік тому +4

    Massive respect for finally bringing in the true equipment needed to properly test manufacturer statements.

  • @dieselphiend
    @dieselphiend Рік тому

    I also buy PSU's on a budget but I still find incredible bargains on the internet. I have an Antec High Current Pro 1200W, and an EVGA 1200W P2 Platinum. I bought both of them used, and they have been running for years. If you buy the very best of what's manufactured, you usually don't need a warranty.

  • @Mc_Fly
    @Mc_Fly Рік тому +14

    Honestly… the PSU Tester is one of the most exciting stations in LTT Labs that I know so far!
    Can’t wait for all the tests you’ll do!

  • @MontroseChloe
    @MontroseChloe Рік тому +8

    This isn't the seggsiest topic. but I am seriously SO HAPPY someone is finally doing this! This will be a game changer. It's always been a bet on the horse with the best name scenario up till now.
    LTT. You're doing God's work!

  • @freakyninjaman3
    @freakyninjaman3 Рік тому +9

    I am so excited for Labs to be fully operational! As someone who plans on building a PC in the next year, this will be BEYOND helpful. Thank you, LTT!

  • @P4GrAnGeR
    @P4GrAnGeR Рік тому +4

    I'm so hyped for the lab. I've been waiting a decade for this to exist. Thanks a lot Linus for starting this endeavor, I hope that soon the consumer electronics purchase experience is forever changed and manufacturers are punished for putting garbage out to the market.

  • @AlexB-xr2bd
    @AlexB-xr2bd Рік тому

    Y'all are about the change the ethos of what the sales industry. Once you start testing enough of the market, people will have to "risk" being found out for gray marketing and losing market share because of it. Keep up the great work LTT!

  • @blue7081
    @blue7081 Рік тому +4

    I've been using a Thermaltake Smart 630 for a little over 6 years now, nothing wrong with it yet

  • @filmweaver2013
    @filmweaver2013 Рік тому +7

    Amazing work Linus and his team is doing with the Labs project! I'll not be surprised if one day they do design and manufacture their own tech product!

  • @InboundG
    @InboundG Рік тому +1

    Absolutely love videos like these, one suggestion I have is make sure your power supply tester and the psu your testing are on a ups. If they aren’t the are susceptible to voltage drop from the grid. You’ll notice the voltage coming from the wall goes up and down as the day goes on depending on the load on the grid (this affects commercial service aswell). Anyway this was great can’t belive that evga was so bad, been using evga psu’s for years and will continue to pick between them and seasonic.

  • @IgansioYT
    @IgansioYT Рік тому +5

    This kind of testing can be SO useful, even for people that do a bit of research. I had around 70€ to spend on a PSU, saw a Seasonic 80+ Gold 650W for around 72€ and thought it was a great option, it even had mostly positive opinions. But 6 months later, I discovered that this particular model isn't made in the same place as other Seasonic PSUs, instead it's a different factory with different components and not that much of a reputation in comparison. The company that manages that factory isn't by no means bad, but it isn't the same Seasonic that makes those fanless 80+ Titanium monsters. With time, I noticed that the noise that came from my computer was from the PSU fan, and apparently it isn't quite as good as other Seasonic PSU fans because of what I mentioned earlier. But what's even worse is the electrical noise that it makes at basically any load, had to test with and without GPU and it doesn't change. I didn't know until now that PSUs can have that coil whine noise, even though it's kinda obvious since they have coils in them. My model is a 'Seasonic G12 GC 650W 80 Plus Gold' btw. Don't get me wrong, it could be just bad luck with my unit, and it still works super reliably, even with a 3060ti GDDR6X that asked for 750W recommended.

    • @benjaminfrohns
      @benjaminfrohns Рік тому

      I think I have the same model. It had a Yate Loon fan that I swapped for something silent. (Danger. Know what you are doing before opening a PSU.)
      Yate Loon fans were once the coolest kid on the block in the early 2000s. Now, just audible in an idle system. Mine doesn't have the coil whine, but it did make the coil whine from the GPU worse.

    • @ar-videos
      @ar-videos Рік тому +1

      Honestly, this is every industry. In bicycles, the top Trek's are/were built in their home waterloo factory, the sub models were outsourced to a partner in asia. Shimano top stuff would be made in japan, their b tier products would be moved around southeast asia. Even cars, Toyota's or Honda's made in Japan? nope, try texas and mexico. The parent brand is not a good judgement in blind faith.

  • @onejdc
    @onejdc Рік тому +22

    I really hope they get Electroboom in here to help evaluate their testing methodologies. And blow things up.

    • @Steamrick
      @Steamrick Рік тому +7

      Nah, if there's one guy to ask about this it's jonnyGURU. He's still alive and working for Corsair atm. GamersNexus did a video with him last year.

    • @2fast820
      @2fast820 Рік тому +1

      @@Steamrickhe’s not fun though electroboom is the way

  • @lathiat
    @lathiat Рік тому +1

    This is the content I want and need. Tom’s hardware has this kind of test data for SSDs but who publishes this data for power supplies. Love it.
    Likely to be most beneficial in the mid tier price points.

  • @GotNoYT
    @GotNoYT Рік тому +4

    Wouldnt it also be great to always test 2 of the same power supplies to see if there are maybe inconsistencies in quality or anything else? Maybe you just got a "bad" piece even though the rest is good or simply the other way around.

  • @AceVenturaXii
    @AceVenturaXii Рік тому +8

    More power supply videos please. I love supporting EVGA because they were the first to tell NVIDIA to screw off. I buy their stuff whenever I can. Currently buying EVGA G6 PSU’s but I’d love to hear more about other quality units that pass testing. 😊

    • @tylersanders2388
      @tylersanders2388 Рік тому +2

      Did you not watch the whole video? Even a reputable brand like evga puts out junk in their ultra budget segment and there were several categories where evga was an outlier for underperformance. Don't be loyal to a brand, be loyal to results.

    • @AceVenturaXii
      @AceVenturaXii Рік тому

      @@tylersanders2388 I know what you’re saying. But EVGA makes good stuff, and evidently cheaper stuff too.
      I’ve been buying the G6. They’re very nice, solid, well built units. I’m supporting EVGA because of the reasons I mentioned by buying their high end products.

    • @xkxk7539
      @xkxk7539 Рік тому +1

      @@tylersanders2388 Doesn't matter the ratio of products that EVGA pumps out that are top notch is too high compared to the worst ones they have. There's a reason why they are considered the #1 pc parts/board partner in the west.

    • @tylersanders2388
      @tylersanders2388 Рік тому

      @@xkxk7539 that’s a very stupid way to look at it. The majority of people only buy 1 psu and use that for years. Why point millions of people towards crap because it has an EVGA badge on the side? The individual product matters more than the brand’s logo

  • @thomasrogers8239
    @thomasrogers8239 Рік тому

    Power factor is a bit more difficult to talk about because what makes the energy sent back to the power grid bad is that it's not conditioned. On the surface the best way to think about it is in terms of the old power meters with the spinning disk, if the power comes in the disk spins one direction and if you supply power to the grid then the disk spins backwards. If you then hook up an extremely unconditioned load like a 3 hp induction motor then what happens is your motor draws the saturated load of the coils spinning your meter 10 times one direction, and at the end of that phase the motor collapses the field in the coil and that collapsing magnetic field sends that energy back into the grid turning the meter backwards 9 times. In essence you're billed only for the 1 part of energy you actually used but you deconditioned 10 units of energy in the process.
    There's supposed to be a lot of discussion about resistance and wires but literally AC is meant to avoid nearly all resistive loads in comparison to DC so don't buy that. Instead the main issue from the viewpoint of the power company is you have to have a steady clean sine wave coming from the power company in order to run the majority of our computers and technology and the in rushing current from a large power factor modifies the waveform to be spikey, which is bad for technology. You fix this by hooking up some capacitors in parallel which reconditions the spike portion of the sine wave. All the excess voltage and wattage gets shunted to the capacitor to be used to drive the apparent load of the motor and the extra brought in by the power company is the real power used by the motor.
    If you're running large amounts of inductive loads it's in your best interest to install a power conditioner, which is essentially a bank of capacitors with switches that energize capacitors based on the power factor, on your side of the power meter. If you don't then that's done by the power company after the meter and they bill you extensively for that.

  • @mr.pangetako
    @mr.pangetako Рік тому +3

    I still have my (2) 600w and (1) 700w thermaltake smart. It's been years since I bought it and still working. So I don't care what everyone say. If it works, it works.

  • @yasu_red
    @yasu_red Рік тому +6

    Uh oh, I've had this exact unit since 2020. It's held up pretty well with a 3600XT and 5700 XT.

    • @gundoxcrit1652
      @gundoxcrit1652 Рік тому +1

      The thing with budget power supplies is if you know “exactly” what load you’re putting on it, they’re fine for most uses. There’s always going to be some that have “horrible” voltage variations of course. The safety features of this one passed for example. The problem people have with them is when their expected load changes dramatically outside of the specifications of the power supply, they usually fail once and are done, as shown in the video. Sometimes this happens in spectacular fashion, and sometimes some components on the power supply just blow. I’m a little disappointed the labs didn’t specify what happened downstream when they tripped the overpower protection, as far as I know, it’s usually a fuse gets blown. Some people don’t like that. I have a friend who had the evga white series for example. Ran just fine for 7 years, he put in a new graphics card and the thing died in a day, probably tripping overpower protection as it did in this video. TLDR: People really need to do research for power supplies AND the load of the components they are using. When you spec a system just take the 15 minutes to load up a power supply calculator, answer truthfully and see what you need.

    • @intermilan9731
      @intermilan9731 Рік тому

      @@gundoxcrit1652 I have been using a Litepower series unit for 5 years now. If I ever change gpus, I will most def change the PSU. I always thought about having a new gpu means a new PSU

  • @Lostcontroller
    @Lostcontroller Рік тому +2

    We really need content like this, especially with so many tech companies going down the sleazy and scummy route these days.

  • @Drakken_Dude
    @Drakken_Dude Рік тому +4

    Love seeing these labs update. Appreciate all the hardwork you guys put into making sure consumers know whats going on with their hardware!

  • @OriginalNethaniel
    @OriginalNethaniel Рік тому +4

    the reason it's popular is because it's very reliable

    • @mr.pangetako
      @mr.pangetako Рік тому +1

      Absolutely right. I still have my 600w and 700w on my PCs.

    • @CarsonBennett-qq2eo
      @CarsonBennett-qq2eo 2 місяці тому +1

      Yeah, I always get nervous seeing stuff like this, but I have two 600s running, a spare 600w and my friend has a 700w and they have all ran fine for like 4 years already. i think I will rely on personal experience for this one.

    • @CarsonBennett-qq2eo
      @CarsonBennett-qq2eo 2 місяці тому

      And my newest one came with black cables, so it's not ugly either.

  • @mattfern8823
    @mattfern8823 Рік тому +2

    I bought the 700w version of this for my first ever PC build and it be loved it thus far! Loved this video!

  • @GreatYamatanoOrochi
    @GreatYamatanoOrochi Рік тому +8

    Hey LTT team, do you plan on tackling both 115V and 230V? As someone who is not really well-informed about power supplies, I'm running on the assumption that 230V power supplies hit a high efficiency rating for cheaper.

    • @lethoca5777
      @lethoca5777 Рік тому +1

      In this video the charts swapped from 115v 60hz to 230v 50hz

    • @GreatYamatanoOrochi
      @GreatYamatanoOrochi Рік тому

      @@lethoca5777 Ohhh I missed that, thank you

  • @ETophales
    @ETophales Рік тому +5

    Very interesting. I hope that this automatic testing will lead to a large database of results that users can consult. I know that LTT is all about the videos, and I certainly expect to see videos about this, but it would be incredibly helpful when buying a PSU to have a place where one can just look up how well specific units work in the real world.

  • @idiNty
    @idiNty Рік тому +1

    This is so valuable. Finally someone with a big audience is shining light on this topic. I think I’ve been screwed over from now and then in the past with my power supply choices.

  • @cromefire_
    @cromefire_ Рік тому +5

    Would be nice to get 1-2 more popular reference point short term, like a Corsair RM or something similar.
    Also when on the website, please provide some 230V/115V global switch, so you only have to go through the data relevant to you and you don't have to filter it yourself.

  • @trevorhensel4507
    @trevorhensel4507 Рік тому +11

    Once the labs gets the testing methodology down, I’d be interested in a video on the effects custom cables, say from cable mod, have on your PSU.

    • @trevorhensel4507
      @trevorhensel4507 Рік тому

      @@Malc180s they literally said in the video they make a difference… I’m going to trust them over you…