I Built the Slowest Brand New PC and it Sucks.
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0:00 Intro
1:40 Eat your vegetables, kids
3:30 He's not a scientist
5:20 We're gonna be here a while
7:07 Minimum specs are a lie
9:30 He mad
10:45 Doing it better
16:29 Outro - Наука та технологія
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opera ? oh no
Finally I can have Chinese malware in my Chromium-based browser!
Firefox 🗿
Beard Linus jumpscare
He's way more handsome with the beard ngl
@@wikiwediasimp
Last video he was bald?!
Fr lol
*screeches in your face*
Remember the Windows 10 minimum spec that said 32GB of storage, leading to a slew of $200 tablet computers with exactly 32GB of eMMC storage that then couldn't update anymore because Windows actually needed more like 48GB just to download and temporarily store update files until it could actually apply the updates on reboot?
Same happened with Androids as well. I got an 8gb over 16gb version. By the time I trashed by phone the OS took up something like almost 7gb. The distaste left in my mouth was so bad I went to Apple. Of course there were other problems as well not just this.
@@HHalcyonthat wasn’t an android problem, that was a „you are cheap“ problem. It’s like comparing a mac to this and then deciding mac wins, ignoring price and everything 🤦♂️
@@erebostd You missed my point. As a customer I was expecting not to get ripped off. Of course I cannot compare those two products one-to-one.
@@erebostd no, that was a "we make a 8 GB phone, but we will still fill it with adware to make money twice" problem. With a custom rom, you suddenly had enough storage for normal use.
@@HHalcyon the point is apple sells hardware & software. The best analogy would be google. Get a google phone - basically any google phone - and you’ll receive a good device with long time support and features apple users can’t even dream about having (i‘m typing this on an iPad pro, i see it every day). The beauty of android is that you get a device for everybody in nearly every price range. There’s even a place for the low tear phones you had. Special use cases, but they are there. Switching to Apple because this one, cheap device didn’t fulfill the expectations is quite a reaction. Apple has (or better had) it’s big selling points, but in a world where the cheapest new phone is 529 bucks (the old iPhone se 2. generation) and the top device is nearly 2k while having massive problems in hardware and software…i feel apple lost the last bit of the stuff it was „different“. I think every device Apple sells is better than a cheap android device. But as soon as you go to the same price level where apple starts, you reached mid range android. Pixels start around 400 bucks, depending where you live. A oneplus 12r as an example costs as much as the cheapest iPhone (again, new prices in official stores, slight differences possible) and it blows the SE out of the water. And it has 5 years of updates guaranteed. Just to name a few 😉
8:05 I've been trying to choose between a Celeron and a chilled 96-core Threadripper, this helps a lot!
buy my phones CPU I'll take 50c
I would recommend the 96-core Threadripper if you want a more budget build.
hard choice, like the gt210 vs rtx4090
8:00
the "atrocious" download speed is a "decent" internet connection that costs ~40-50€ a month in germany.....
gotta love the copper line vectoring
good to hear cuz we got fiber here and we get 6-7mbps, my friends get ike 3-4mbps xd
@@RRareGaming I just saw an ad for 25 gbps for $75 in Switzerland. Maybe we get that too in 10-20 years.
i have 2mbps and it costs more
For real, best I can get is 4.5MB/s here were I live (countryside of Austria)
And I have max 14~16MB/s here in the Netherlands.
Wow, Linus' beard grew back so fast!
yeah, almost like its old footage or something
@@soldier-gaming321 almost like it's a fucking joke
@@soldier-gaming321 learn the definition of a joke brother
should have made a reshoot with beardless linus waiting for the windows to load rofl
I wonder what he uses for his face care procedures, it was fast
I had a Celeron. It struggled on ChromeOS. The iGPU was at 100% just opening a new tab.
Worst CPUs ever. They are literal eWaste.
Lol 😂
I am the only one who's still using Quadro 600
Celerons should be targeted to the embedded market.
Which Celeron? Even the N22 with a 3060 manages to be fine enough.
That long loading immediately brought me back to the horribly slow Windows XP/7 school computers of my youth.
My first computer was a dell laptop ordered from their magazine in about 2003. It proudly wore the tag "intel celeron inside". I laughed when you showed the "slowest" chip's specs (2 core 3.5 Ghz). Mine had 512mhz and 256mg's of RAM. I still played CS on it, albeit with some major issues.
My home internet is 3MB/S, to hear someone say 20 is unacceptable, and that it is hardware limited, is so depressing.
I agree, totally out of touch... Myself personally get 200 MB/sec but my friends in the outlining country get maybe your speed
@@them3atstick753 To be honest, I think he was talking about the CPU/hard drive only being capable of 20 MB/S, which is for sure unacceptable. But I thought it was funny. And yeah, I live in the countryside, the best internet package I can get is 4MB/S (for double the price).
@@them3atstick753 He has (don't remember how many) gpbs net so in that context 20 mbps is unacceptable, it has nothing to do with other people's internet speed
Mine is 135Mbps (about 17MB/s)
I remember still downloading in KB/s not that long ago, with around 10mbps! Seeing download speeds in megabytes per second felt absolutely crazy to me, I'd have killed for 3 MB/s back then, and that was only a few years ago!
Thanks Linus for giving a shoutout to my pc!
thanks steve! I mean linus!
how the hell did you end up buying anything close to that? Isn't the name "celeron" an immediate red flag and also a GPU with the 2 last digits less than 50? I sold my friend a 160€ PC with an i7 2nd gen and a gtx 960 4gb GPU, complete with a 240GB ssd and a 500GB HDD, I profited like 60€ on that thing + he's complaining that I scammed him, which I might have, a bit... but I do have to profit somehow... how the hell do you even begin to think about buying such shitty parts, it is literally beyond me (I am assuming you know at least a bit about PCs since you're watching Linus, it could have just been your parents that bought it, but if you did, how?)
@@aquss33 how the hell do you not understand that it's a joke
This PC is still faster than mine
I bought a used PC from an office sale in 2011 with a Core 2 Quad. It was about 4 years old when I bought it, and I got a staggering amount of use out of it. To this day one of the best purchases I've made thanks to that company going out of business. Amazing Craigslist find.
It's crazy how "newest and slowest" PCs are essentially e-waste when compared to second-hand units. Really makes you question the value of buying brand new.
Wow! It’s almost like we watched the same video 😂
@@w3therby I will remove my comment and you should too. I don't know why I reacted on a generated comment.
Keep in mind they went out of their way to find the "slowest" parts for the money - you can build or buy new systems for a similar cost that perform much better - for example, I got a BeeLink mini PC for half the cost and it performs so much better. I use it as a Minecraft server for my kids and it works just fine for that purpose - even running it through virtualization.
Rightfully so.
- a broke hardware enthusiast
It's crazy how he skipped the boot sequence the motherboard loading and didn't even show the beginning of Windows loading for the second PC. That's crazy
i had a pc up on marketplace with a 1080ti and i7700k cpu. plenty of power despite being old parts, but i couldn't get more than $400 for it. had to drop the price so many times and someone finally took it. i wish i could have sent this video to all the idiots that didn't buy my computer
Still is a great performing pc. Especially with the 1080 ti.
I'm still using my 1080ti and 8700k till they die. Parts so expensive I gotta get the max lifespan, lol.
Dude! I'm in this EXACT situation. I mean exactly. It's currently at $300 and I still have no takers! The GPU alone should be worth that! I don't know what people's aversion is to older stuff. So annoying.
a 7 year old 1080ti is about the same as a brand new 3060. crazy good deal
@@Call_Me_Pickle last month i bought 3070ti for 300. Soooo i don't know about 1080ti.
Throwback to when 5 minutes to boot into windows was common... Also when I was a teenager, my download speeds on my parents' internet averaged at most around 280 Kb/s (despite them paying for 20 Mb/s, which did eventually get fixed... sort of). Downloading games sometimes could take over a day...
Ahh, the days of letting a 3 minute video load over dinner. Or watching a full screen image take a minute (or three) to load in. How I wish I could never go back. And, I remember when my mom sprung for the fancy 12MB/s for her online schooling and teleconferencing for work. 😍
it was never common
2 minutes, sure, but 5 minutes... it's filled with bloat
20MBps really isn't that atrocious for download speed. I mean, it's not fast, but many many people run internet plans at that speed just fine. I was happy to upgrade to a faster one when I moved but it served me well.
I'm stuck with 4MBps, and I don't live in the woods. My town has fiber, but not my neighborhood!
@@fostena Yeah, that's slow as hell, insane that it even exists still - you'd probably get a better connection in the woods on top.
I'm stuck with 25MBps here. And that solely due to the fact that they gracefully gave access to it after upgrading half the city to 1GBps a few years ago with the plan to hopefully upgrade to 1GBps to everyone within the next 2 years from now. And they also give a really, really fair pricing with only charging 80% of the 1gigs price for 250k as the cheapest option, if you want to you can have less - at only 75% the price for 100k and 70% of the price for a 50k connection.... So to anyone who actively uses their internet and needs speed it's either getting the 250k and getting ripped off and to anyone else who either doesn't need that much or doesn't use it that often it's getting ripped off even more one way or the other.
bro we have fiber and on my pc max i get 6mbps, on my ubuntu laptop 10mbps and on my win8 laptop like 2mbps
@@RRareGaming that may to be a CPU bottleneck issue. Have you checked what speeds you can achieve locally, like between the two laptops?
@@fostenayeah, my win8 laptop(3120m) only manages around 25mbps locally, whereas my ubuntu(3110m) one manages about 100~, well the weird thing is my pc has a 9900kf yet its still only getting 6mbps..
Something to note, these OEM machines very often use proprietary connectors and parts, swapping out the PSU might need special motherboard adapters and sometimes even a GPU might not physically fit
And those adapters are available for a whole lot of Dell, HP, Acer, and Lenovo desktop motherboards. Yeah, you probably have to wait a couple weeks for the adapter to arrive from China. As for the GPU not fitting in the case, Harbor Freight sells angle grinders.
That's one thing, i got myself a old SFF hp office desktop and well it's not really upgradable, no psu upgrade due to SFF and it can't fit most of the parts due to lack of connectors in the psu .
Good point, someone could always get a GTX 1650 not exactly a great GPU but powered off the PCIe no need for power adapter and is tiny so would fit even in a small OEM case.
@@littlemeg137Always a great idea to use a random adapter self-imported. That way insurance pays you and you pay the insurance company if it starts a fire.
Hey, another Latios fan! It’s rare to see them in the wild.
This takes me back to the days when I had a I3 2100, 8gb of ram and a gt740. Those days were only 3 years ago...
Had GT440, I3 2125, 4gb of DDR3. Painful renders and gaming at 720p (Lowest), tweaking settings to get one at medium, 30 fps looked so good. Only 6 years ago.
i still have i3 2100 and gtx 550ti.
The machine was a benchmark in 2012 :D
Today it crushes numbers and compiles kernels haaha
Still rocking i3 3220, GT 610 with 4gigs ram.
@@himanshutripathi7441gt had 1 gb of gddr3 or ddr3, so not that bad.
@@scarry46 good for you.
How much quicker would that PC have been with 8GB instead of 4GB? The broader point is correct, but I suspect this was the most significant pain point in the build and cheap to address.
I'd love to see a speed comparison between this computer and the latest Raspberry Pi.
My bets are on the raspberry pi 😂
Ive only just realised, people say sluggish, but then say a snails pace (never heard 'a slugs pace' or 'snailish') and use snails to visually represent slow speeds, never slugs.
Maybe because slugs are harder to notice or they get mixed up with snails very often
@@W3lol1How? Slugs and snails are very different.
20 mega per second is twice as fast as MOST people outside big cities get on download anyway...
in the US maybe but high speed internet is pretty accessible in Canada. like I don't live in a city and I got 400-500 down.
Yeah my internet downloading steam games is 10-20mbps, it maxes at 30
Starlink has actually changed that, I'm no Elon Stan, actually I can't stand him, but I can't deny when he funds something that is good
The average internet speed in rural areas in the US in 2023 was a bit over 100mbs, last year is when starlink became more readily available
In 2020 it was 40mbs
"20 MB/s... [is] atrocious!" Meanwhile I'm getting 1 MB/s max... Don't you just loooove the USA's privatized ISP monopolies?
I think it depends on where you are. I am not living in a big city in the Netherlands but I still have 1GB up and down
Great lessons here - I went through a similar experience with entry level sim racing stuff, used stuff is good (don't ignore), some things are more expensive because they are literally good, don't overpay for entry level stuff.
I use an i7-3770 with a 1050TI as my main setup, 240gb ssd, 2x 500gb 7200 rpm hdd for storage, 4x 4gb at 1600mhz, sure not great but without any money theres nothing better to get and a lot of stuff is still running, and the only thing I had to actually pay for was the 1050 TI which was 30 bucks, everything else was scrap parts I got either for free or got from places I worked at, else I'd have probably planned to go with a 1650 if the friend didnt offer me the 1050 ti.
Always have to lower the settings but as someone who grew up with only outdated hardware and as someone who isn't too much into gaming (especially not the modern gaming), this build is fine, I am basically used to playing on PS2 and Nintendo DS so something like 1600 x 900 on medium settings and 30 FPS looks fine to me already (on more modern games)
you can think whatever you want about me or call me out for anything but while I am not "happy" about this setup it also isn't anything I can complain about, especially considering it cost 30 bucks for me get, just because its old it doesnt mean its bad, I love using old stuff, especially if it still works just fine.
The high end standard many people see and aim for is such a negative result of society saying you need it and making you want it to not feel bad, but honestly, as long as YOU like the setup you're using and it works for you, be happy with it, no matter if its 100 bucks or 2000 bucks, as long as its fun, its good!
Also, a little tip, if you want to get a deal by taking older hardware, make sure theyre still compatible with stuff you wanna use, my cpu as an example doesnt have AVX2 which some modern games want you to have, I had to sacrifice ability to play one game when I gave away my laptop with a Ryzen 5 3550H/rx560x to then use the i7-3770/1050 ti combo
where are you from?
I think it's worth mentioning that a Steam Deck is also a viable option at this price point. A refurbished 500gb LCD model from Valve goes for £300 with a 1 year warranty.
Of course, you can use a desktop for more than just gaming, having SteamOS comes with many caveats, Deck is impossible to upgrade, and many popular multiplayer games have linux-unfriendly anti-cheat. Still, it's been my main gaming device for over a year and a half and I couldn't be happier. Not to mention many game devs optimise their games for the Steam Deck, and several even work with Valve directly to bring support (Spider-Man Remastered, Elden Ring, Baldur's Gate 3, Armored Core VI, Cyberpunk 2077, etc.)
At lowest settings sure.
It is an alright option, you can even use it permanently connected to a USB C dock if all you want is a desktop. I now use an ROG Ally as my only gaming PC. You just have to be fine with playing games at 720p, which to me personally, 720p and using RSR to upscale to 1080p isn't too bad, as just someone who very casually plays some indie games.
8:07 "20mps that's atrocious"
Me at home that being my peak 😢
I'd love to see a video now on different companies warranty process and if they're worth paying the new price for the company warranty
I do love the continuous promotion of second hand PC parts on your channel. I've had a ton of luck with my bargain builds and I owe it to you all. I never would have attempted second otherwise
Just made a used PC from an Optiplex 3050, i5-7500 and GTX 1660 S, all for 200 euros, it's amazing. And the process of finding deals was fun actually, I even found a platinum V1200 power supply from CoolerMaster for 50 euros. I love the used market!
It sounds fun if you dont really NEED a PC. I would try it for the fun of it.
Fair warning for those going this route: 7th gen Intel and older, with few exceptions, is not supported by Windows 11.
Of course Linux will still work.
I got a 13700 pc off ebay for $400 that I'm using as a server since I already had an 13900k lol
fr bro i built a new pc recently for 320$ dollars, ryzen 5 2600 for 40$ gigabyte rx 5700 xt for 125$ and 16 gb off ddr4, oh and a msi x470 for 75$ used market but it was brand new in the box
Sounds good 👌🏻
I guess this goes to show how software has been getting bigger in size while being slower for no particular reason. Back in the day, you could still use HDDs without having to wait for every single operation.
The function of $oftware & OS 'upgrades' is 2 wa$te re$ources 2 trick cu$tomers into buying more $tuff. iStill run mainly XP & no need 2 switch. Plays 4K video & all that jazz, & U only need 5 processes running, not 18,000 like Windoze 10 or whatever LOL
I always wonder wtf is all those gigabytes used for in Windows, you're just browsing files!
@@Deathrape-if4kl Those are some of the stupidest words I've ever heard
@@Deathrape-if4kl Can tell you're chatting complete bullshit. There's no way any XP compatible software is playing 4K video, never mind the garbage hardware you'd probably be using.
I mean, I get that there's some extra security and what not, but let's be honest, most of that bloat is to collect sellable user data, to run a buncho software you didn't ask for, and also just because if they focused on optimising it they couldn't release as fast and it would cost more money. I mean, for crying out loud I can't even stop unwanted third party software from opening through task scheduler because in 11 it's just as impotent for background processes as task manager. But of course, they get away with this due to the raw power of modern PCs. Back in the day when anything with a giga by it was just a fewer dream you couldn't bloat an OS with endless garbage because it would run exactly like the PC I'm the video, worse even, but nowadays what does it matter whether you boot in 4 or 5 seconds, no-one will really notice the difference so the devs get lazy and just let the modern hardware chew through it.
Few things worth mentioning:
First pc wouldn't be that slow on SSD. It would simply run slowly instead of not running like on this HDD.
Going for better value doesn't necessarily mean you have to go used, no warranty stuff. There are plenty companies selling used PC parts with warranty. The price will be somewhere between used from private person and brand new from shop, but it is some choice, probably also shipping will be possible.
Games download from Steam differs from game to game. One game might not be possible to compress, so it will use a lot of your internet bandwidth and not much of CPU while decompression, others will use a lot of CPU power to decompress and you might end up with tiny download speed, because Steam client will wait for your CPU/hard drive to decompress and write game files to your hard drive.
Still, even if this video is not fair for cheap pc, the point of it remains - Cheapest possible stuff is almost always bad value. By adding a little bit more to your budget you can get much more performance.
My HP Z840 with dual 97a processors was my build last year and it's wonderful. Got all of the parts used and it's perfect for work and play. Many zooms!
8:12 "20 mb download is atrocious". dude my internet is 12 mb max and I pay $110 USD a month, I would kill for a 20 download.
is the internet in us that expensive omg
Nahh i have 300mb and pay 60
ever look into starlink?
@@zulazhar1259nah only places that have it that bad are hours from any city, only satellite would be that slow and expensive
I pay €45 for 1Gbit. Fiber.
And I feel ripped off.
Man oh man.
Slowest PC would have been useable with a sata ssd, and dual channel (2x4GB) RAM, and the cost difference would be miniscule. I would have liked to see how much faster it would be with those upgrades mentioned.
It's a 2 thread cpu, that's outdated even 15 years ago
yea thing can only process to apps running at once, so its constantly jumping. that four thread cpu they talked about at the start would've made the system, well, basically double the response time. it wouldn't of really gotten things done too much faster, but it would've made at least interacting with the thing a bit more tolerable.
They did say slowest not cheapest.
Yeah I made a similar comment, this really is a vid about the slowest PC, not the most cost efficient. For 380$ you can make something 10x faster, but it's not really the point of the video. You can make a computer with a ryzen 5 4600G, 8gb ram and an SSD for 380$...
Yeah, they are exacerbating the truth because the goal of the video is to warn people about buying the cheapest new parts instead of getting used old workstation and GPU.
For comparison, three months ago I bought a used HP Z840 for $340 (shipped) that came with:
XEON E5-2667 V4
MSI GTS 1080
32gb DDR4
1150w Power Supply
1TB SSD
DVD R/W drive
Win 11 64 bit (registered)
Yeah iGot a dozen Dell Precision T5810 'super computers' off Craigslist for $100 grand total (less than $10 each, delivered =) & iAm going 2 'mirror' up with XP because my main 'street junk' (but fast enough) old 'Benecia' HP (Asus mobo) trash is 'dying' = but may fix with the usual 'reconnect everything & swap the RAM' trik =) It's about the same speed as an even older Dell Precision T5400 iHav & am on right now in the kitchen as iType this = plays 4K video & all that stuff 2. The whole 'gamer thing' is so lame. iHave no interest in 'computer graphics games' because any random 'movie' or other 'feature' is E Z 2 find online & don't have 2 jump through hoops 2 C the next 'scene' =) Would much rather play virtual pinball games than N E of that plasticky-looking bull$hit 'fake world' $tuff. Like everybody talks about 'Cyberpunk' = so we can go C 'virtual fat ugly brown trannies'? LOL!! What a total waste of $$$ =))
Xeons with some moderate overclock can still be pretty amazing, I know someone running one with a 3080ti with little to none bottleneck
@@renealcerro1320 You pay for it in high power bills though.
@@itIsI988No you don't. The difference in price between would save you around $10 a year in the US. The air conditioner and heater is what drives your electric bill, not your CPU.
@@criticalthinker420 I'm in the UK. Power hungry computer parts are still stupidly expensive to run for long periods over here.
That case thankfully got upgraded a few years ago and has acceptable front intake through the mesh. Originally, it didn't have a mesh front and only had a tiny intake gap at the bottom. It was wretched.
I think it's worth remembering that their 'slowest' system was a completely custom build, not from an OEM. In other words, no one is trying to sell a new system with those particular specs.
The whole point was to go as slow as possible but with new parts, not to show cheap stuff being bad.
True, basically any prebuilt pc will be better, but I think the point was to say why are they even selling these parts when windows can barely run on them
@@MidwestmintBecause not everything runs on Windows and not every part is meant to go with the others. For example, no one in their right mind would use an HDD as a boot drive, they're still cheap mass storage however. Realistically, once you replace the HDD, you have a fine web browser system. With an i3 or i5, you can actually do some work on it.
The boot time is actualy pretty interessting! It shows that MS has eaten quiet alot of the performance gains of fast storage by bloating it up!
Not even just M$, but gaming as a whole, so many games on console still having pop-in despite the console manufacturers forcing SSDs on us. The worst thing is when M$ forces you to use an SSD for games that would work perfectly on a HDD or even worked before on a HDD.
Dell enterprise workstations can be had for a good price second hand. I picked up a Precision 5820 with 6 core Xeon for $400. Maxed out the RAM at 256GB, and might upgrade to an 18 core Xeon CPU in the future. It may not be the latest and greatest, but it's still an upgrade from my aging i7 2600k with 32GB RAM.
My dual xeon idles at 220w and heats the entire room. Powerful machines yes, but cost an absolute fortune to run compared with my ryzen rig which idles at around 30w.
To be fair: The 500GB WD Blue HDD were slow in 2013, compared to a normal HDD with 7200 rpm. We had 120 PC's delivered with them. And they are astrocious Slow on 8GB Systems and Win 7 with i5 4570. After Sata SSD upgrade they were completly different Machines.
Interstingly we have exactly those Acer Aspire around, today i was upgrading some with their 128GB Sata SSD to 500GB, as those were dying. Great little Machines, we got them upgraded to 16GB now 500GB Sata together with the 8400 they are realy great and will live on a long time at school. Best part: Generic Parts. PSU is standard biggest Problem with Prebuild and Office Builds are the PSU, ATX, SFX or TFX Systems are great bud sadly lot of manufacturers have non standard PSU and connectors inside.
Even running Windows 7 on a 5000 rpm isn't the best - I don't see how their slow build was compatible with windows 10/11 because Microsoft definitely doesn't recommend or suggest running those on a hard disk at all.
While I never do used pc components I do keep old ones, then I give them to family/friend/coworkers who might need them and are usually better than what they currently have.. When I upgrade/build a new pc and have it up and running and tested out then I offload the old one..Much luv from Tokyo,Japan.
Average school pc
My schools pcs still run windows 7
Bro this os faster then my chrome book
@dabois012 my current gaming pc was upgraded from win10 to 7, and still is
Man this especially the last segment just makes me miss scrapyard wars,
love the random saul at 16:06
That aint nothing compared to a laptop I helped to fix the other day. My friend's parents' budget laptop from 2015 had some issues booting into Windows, nothing major, I got it sorted out quite fast. But boy the darn thing is slow! I legit was staring at the login screen for over 10min to get to desktop😴
Speaking of scrapyard wars, when’s the new one :)
Would have been interesting to see them upgrade each post in the slow machine, one "tier" at a time to find what the low budget limit is for a serviceable machine and how much difference each upgrade makes per dollar.
5:41 yep I still use my old computers with a I5 2400 with DDR3 and a hard drive and yeah window takes some time to load compared to my newer systems with well all the modern tech, including SSD. But hey, when it gets running and finishes loading everything it works and I basically had to force updated to Windows 11. Like my old computers would take that long loading into windows and then loading my user and then actually loading everything else. My computers, barely even load. (I have many computers because I use them for mining so therefore I don’t mind the speed or the time it takes to load into windows.)
I bought 3 of these 8 years ago for $17 each. Perfect 1 person car camping tent. I pulled one out of storage 2 months ago and used it. Still looks new!
You should compare that system to one of the mini PCs you can buy for about the same price - like a BeeLink, MinisForum, etc - any number of decent and cheap options all in for less than $380. They all use laptop parts but they would run cycles around this thing - even fine for casual gaming (30fps at 1080p on low settings). Or, consider comparing this system to a decent "value" system with good parts for the same cost (or less) - really showing the difference in picking up the right parts for your budget.
Definitely. The power supply and ATX case are such large fixed costs that you can't get good value in terms of price/performance when you go for the absolute lowest end parts.
@@kristinnkristinsson1369 Another example is the use of DDR3. Often times, older tech isn't cheaper because it is no longer mass produced, and it can even become _more_ expensive the older it is.
The CPU is the least of your problems. You have insufficient RAM and you’re swapping to spinning rust. Spend another $15 to double your RAM and upgrade to an SSD for a $30 premium and you’d have a perfectly usable machine.
Spinning rust has to be the cannon name for a hard drive nowadays lmao
Exactly, the reason the first pc didnt even function properly was the 4 gigs of ram, its just not enough for even windows anymore. That being said it was still garbage for the price.
i wouldn't describe celeron cpu's as "perfectly usable" for a modern windows machine
@@xflyinglizardx I agree. Celerons where good for Web browsing and solitaire 10 years ago.
These days they are so weak that they can barely be used for anything else than notepad scribling if you are willing to wait 5 minutes for notepad to load.
Even Intels new E-Cores are more powerfull than a Celeron.
The big issue is nobody optimizes their programs anymore. It's amazing what an indie game dev on a not horribly bloated system with that setup could do.
When the last big CS2 update landed at the end of Feb there was a bug to do with the audio settings that caused ridiculously low frame rates in the menu. This could have been that depending when the video was recorded.
The GPU at 12:21 aint the same one as whats in the machine, the GPU in the machine is an Nvidia/Founders style card. How much price difference is that card to the one shown in the screenshot?
LTT: Buy the cheapest business laptops and... roast them... They're very very very very very horrible and bad price value.
Ive had my "gaming " G3 dell laptop for about 5 years , in its life it has been through hell , today its power is somewhere inbetween these two systems , ive not only seen all these issues of system one , but have enjoyed the snappy response (atleast with anything on my 120gig SSD)
Reminds me of every time we get a PC "upgrade" at work. They basically pick bottom of the barrel builds from HP, including that 500GB WD Blue drive then we need to expense out parts to upgrade them ourselves.
"if it hasn't failed in 6 years it probably wont fail"
A good tenet for solid state parts that are locked from overclocking.
Also, needs an explainer for what a "bathtub curve" is :). (where failures occur either immediately, or after a long time, but little or none in between)
12:23 that does not look like the GPU you used in the build? im a bit confused, yours looks like an NVIDIA FE and is clearly not the card you showed in the screen shot...
LTT has a huge inventory
They just find the equivalent component in their warehouse, no need to buy it again. This also adds a lot of speed for them to make this video: come up with the idea, search for the components online, make the equivalent vid, all in a day.
Other than booting this makes my own desktop look impressive (Intel I5-6500, H110 motherboard, 2x8gb ddr3 1600MHz, Toshiba 2TB HDD 7200RPM(OS drive), PNY 500GB SATA3 m.2 (Working on moving OS to this), ASUS TUF OC EVO GTX 1660TI, Gigabyte Aorus ax210 WIFI card, ASUS ROG 550W Gold) (other than the WIFI card, GPU, PSU, and SSD all parts were used but all in great working order. Can run Cyberpunk 2077 on mostly medium settings at around 50 FPS) (originally was a PowerSpec B659)
Worst PC I ever worked on was on of those cheap AMD 1GHz laptops. Ran perfectly fine when everything was on it, ran surprisingly well in fact, but setting it up so my mate could use it as a car diagnostic PC abd finding the version of windows all the software worked on nearly drove me insane. He does all the work on my cars for the cost of the parts and will come out to help you at the drop of a hat, so I was determined to get it sorted for him. Took me near a month of a couple of hours a night, as it took an hour plus to install windows along with the drivers (I replaced the hdd in it with an SSD as it was so slow but it did little other than make the os more snappy, the rest was down to that dual jaguar core 1ghz cpu. I finally found an untouched original version of windows 7 32bit that everything worked on, and after 2 days of just installing on what was only a 500gb ssd, I made multiple images of the drive (which took half an hour at most), as there is no way in hell I want to do that again, it made me look forward to going to work it was that bad :D
lol 3 years on and I still have 3 copies of the drive image on some of my external drives until he gets a better laptop, though I know I will suffer again as many of the older car diagnostics he needs, won't work on newer OSs and need at least basic hardware support.
Windows minimum requirements. The hard drive was a mistake, but another big mistake was just having 4GB of RAM. Windows will boot with that much installed but it will not like it, as you can see. I had a laptop with a similar spec. AMD A6-6310, 500GB HDD 4GB DDR3... it was stupid slow. When i added more RAM it made a HUGE difference since it wasnt using disk swap on a 5400 RPM HDD.
A SSD will also speed things up too.
That 2 core 2 thread CPU definitely doesnt help anything for sure. But when i took my uncles old PC with an athilon II X2 255 (2 core 2 thread) system with 3GB of DDR2 and a 500GB 5400 RPM HDD... and gave it 16GB of RAM and a SSD, it booted up in far less time. though it wasnt like you were going to play any games. I also slapped a gtx 750ti in it, that i got used. Made the system bearable for a while. Ended up snagging an i7-8700 CPU and a motherboard + cooler to boot for basically nothing and ran with that.
The fact that you can still buy a 2 core CPU these days brand new is wild. Microsoft stating windows only needs 4GB of RAM is also ridiculous. In order to have a decent experience you need a minimum of 8 but id personally recommend 16 for daily use. The OS will cache a lot of files and utilize it.
3:00 If you want to build a super-slow PC, all you need to do is to use HDD instead of SSD. Everything else is just a bonus.
man, i remember my first own built PC 10 YEARS AGO(at actual dollar price, around 250 usd), core i3 4150, 4 gb of ram ddr3, a GENERIC 500w psu, and of course, the gpu was an asus gt610(it even had not fans at all), that pc made me feel proud of it, still alive in a friends house, now im about to build my first pc with over 500usd budget, wish me luck with the prices!
Lots of good used Lenovo computers that can be hand on the cheap, especially refurbs. $1500+ Thinkpads for $300 when they are 3-4 years old, work just fine.
Add some memory, faster GPU and you're good.
Important note: Many name brand PCs by Dell and HP do NOT use standard ATX power supplies and may not have a 16x or 8x PCIe slot! It may look like it has 4 slots in the back, but the computer itself may only 1-2 1x PCI slots.
I was using dual core Pentium E (LGA 775) and HDD until Windows 8.1 and it was performing fine.
Windows relied heavily on SSD since Windows 10. Any PC without it was significantly lagged and I guess Microsoft just assumed everyone was able to get one of them back then. (I mean, it's not expensive, but still did not appealing in terms of the price couple years ago)
"I built a really slow PC, and it's really slow" - The content is fantastic these days, guys 🤣
People complain about high end, out of reach setups on the channel. Those people should have nothing to complain about with this one. 😛
@@zivzulander Sure lol That said, I would think the title "We built an incredibly fast PC, and it is incredibly fast" is similarly... shall we say... "brilliant" 🤣
In all seriousness, this is a really good way to demonstrate how going for the lowest end components in EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of your build is a bad idea - and how it contributes to e-waste when people try to pinch pennies.
This video is actually a great showing that new parts don’t actually make a good system.
this reads like you think the video is pointless and a stupid concept (sorry if i misunderstood) but theyre really just highlighting how much better the used market it. its a real and practical way of showing just because its new and still for sale doesnt mean its better.
Funny you mention the gt730 in this video. I bought one of those brand new last week, because i was looking for a secondary gpu to accelerate my virtual machines, and i found out a 730 was perfect for that. It's relatively cheap, and this particular model was low profile, passive cooled, and uses only a pcie x1 connector, which makes it very versatile in terms of where you can plug it into your mobo without choking your main gpu. But if your looking for a gpu to actually game on, probably better off getting something else lol.
That first boot up reminds me of my old Acer Aspire laptop 😂 literal minutes to login screen… I installed an M.2 and a fresh install of windows and it now boots to login in about 10 seconds
School Pc be like
after your optiplex gaming video, i decided to get one as a home theater PC.
with an old 1060, and a few controllers, its now an all in one htpc that i can emulate and watch streamed tv on.
i feel like i rescued a puppy.
I literally had the i5-8400 in operation since last week for like 4 years. I swapped it out for a i5-9500 because there was a office pc (fully functional) about the be scrapped and I managed to save the CPU. Only a slight performance upgrade but it also was a free upgrade
If you switch steam to performance mode, much less RAM will be occupied by steam and background processing reduced . A few days ago I was able to run Dota on a very weak system with 3 GB of RAM.
At 13:16
"It's still not fast"
Don't let me cry here in germany...
Got my server for 150 EUR (old Dell Workstation) with no disks and it's still going awesome.
My gaming machine was 700 EUR with a 12600KF and RX6600 (both with 3y warranty from 2nd hand store) and new 1TB SSD and 16Gb RAM that I got on a deal.
I love 2nd hand stuff
I feel like there can be specific cases where the hardware can be useful. A few years ago I bought the Celeron G4930 as it was perfect for a mining machine. I imagine there are other use cases where cheap components are viable, just maybe not all together in one build
"Drawing twice as much power" is what got me. I'm sold. Going out to buy one now.
When I started at my present job most of our production computers had i5 processors, 8GB of RAM, and 5400 RPM mechanical hard drives, some were even still running Windows 7 (this was 2019). I had to reboot one and it took an hour, seriously, I timed it.
Many of those machines have been replaced, the rest now have at least 16 GB of RAM and SSDs... and wonder of wonder, they run like real computers.
They are all Dell Optiplex's of various form factors. I'm not fan of Dell (it's a four letter word after all), but I can't help but be impressed with how well these things hold up in our factory.
bro that hard drive to ssd comparison is real. I recently JUST switched to an sata SSD and also an NVMe SSD and let me tell you, I'll never go back! First I tried just the Sata SSD worlds difference. Then my NVMe arrived next day. Holy hell! it was like I just clicked the power button and my system was already on!
Always using the landfield viewpoint however I'm now wondering if recycling happens outside of Europe.
In my country we have plenty of places to drop cases (metal) or pcb (rare metals) to be processed/recycled.
So, is the landfield always the go-to answer in other parts of the world?
The GT 1030 saved my 2007 Dell Optiplex back around 2018. Used to run 4k UA-cam and even play some games like GTA V.
Today she is the Windows 11 family desktop which still gets occasional use.
I actually once build a PC with a G5905 but it's a work PC for my dad which was very budget oriented. Iirc it has 8 gb dual channel memory and a 15€ 128GB NVMe (~1500 MB/s read and write). Surprisingly with the SSD it's quite fast, boots up in 15 to 20 sec and responds fast.
I'm sure that for ~250€ (no new case as I had one left) there where better options but I was and still am not very experienced with building PCs. I made like 6 different PC's (whereby mine had like 2 complete rebuilds where I exchanged almost everything), which isn't very much. But all these PC's work fine, so they are probably not too bad.
I have a 7 year old laptop that I use for streaming in my living-room. Boot time got up to a half hour. When I doubled the RAM to 16 GB and replaced the spinny hard-drive with a new SSD, boot time went down to more like 15 seconds. Same I5 6300 CPu, same GPU, same spec on the RAM just twice as much. A half decent SSD is just so much better than a spinny hard -drive. I suspect that a clean Window s install helped a lot too.
This past black friday sales time, I bought a miniPC for like $300 before tax (like $330 after tax, USD) that has an AMD 5800H mobile apu (8 cores, 16 threads, I think 8 compute units of graphics), 32gb ram, a 500 gb ssd, hdmi and displayport and usb-c for (it says) up to 3 displays out. and it was new! bought from Amazon.
I wiped Windows and put MX Linux on it.
Look at AMD 5800H and 5700U mobile APU mini PC's. If somebody was gonna use Windows, I'd say get one with 32gb ram (less ram for a new computer is silly, especially at the price difference. Better to have and and not wish later you had gotten more when you could've. Even if you don't need it today, you'll be glad you got the little bit of extra ram before the end of the computer's useful life) and 1tb ssd.
I think the brand I got was trigkey
Not so much ago i bought a ryzen 5675u mini pc with 16gb of ddr4, 500gb and a windows license for just 300€. Its brand new and actually capable of running some games... my parents use it as a browsing machine and its perfect
13:31 I have a i5-6500 in an office style computer I got my hands on and I can download games 800-900mbps over local network (so like ~110MB/s).
I got my three kids gaming on three used Windows 10 Dells: one 8th gen I-7, two 9th gen I-5, 16gb RAM, SSDs, added two used GTX 1070s, plus my old 1660ti, a couple of PSUs I had laying around, and displays and peripherals we already had, total for all three was under $500 and they are playing anything at 1080p with passable settings. Family LAN parties are awesome!
Not saying they are spoiled.. But I'M jealous. I wish that was a thing my parents did haha. That's kickass!
@@0Rookie0my dad gave me his i9 9900kf, unfortunately the only gpu i have is a gt1030 to pair up w it
I've bought a number of used workstation PCs that I still use on a daily basis for gaming, home automation, video encoding, serving media, and software development. I have 4 currently powered up right now in my rack. All are second hard PCs that I modified to add rackmount ears. They vary heavily in specs. My slowest is an i7 4770. It's too bad it doesn't support windows 11, but oh well 10 still works fine. I totally agree with keeping e waste out of the landfill, even if it's not as fast or power efficient as a new machine.
you really should go back to the dell optiflex i gaming pc conversion series now
That first machine made me feel a lot better about my Intel i3 -4130, 8gb DDR3, 500gb hdd, MSI Raedon HD 6450, 204w psu, now caseless (To fit the GPU) rig that ive been waiting forever to upgrade.
oh you wouldn't believe the setup i used to run with for many years up to a year ago.....gtx750 2gb.....ran pretty decent thanks to the other stuff I had put in there and gaming wasn't bad at all tbh
I ordered my Cyberpower which I'll advise not to do unless you are in need of one immediately. replacing the 126GB LiteOn boot drive was a huge advantage which makes me scared of that LiteOn power supply from the office computer.
7:00 granted it depends highly on the harddrive too, cache and the performance of the hdd itself can make allot of difference.
My sons 2017 4 core I5 7500 will smoke that lol, I need to build myself a New pc, bought a mobo at end of last year with the DDR4, I didnt know it was still a Good thing Like you GODZ but im happy with my purchase 👽👍🏻
It would be interesting to do the cheapest brand new PC, not necessarily the slowest. For example I've seen SSD's quite a bit cheaper than the cheapest HDD, and honestly you could build a waaaaayyy better machine than this "worst one" without going to used stuff.
380$ is a decent amount, I was able to make a build with ryzen 5 4600G, 8gb ram and 500gb SSD for about that, totally usable computer, really only missing a gpu more powerful than the integrated one to really start getting into gaming, but the 4600G surprinsingly can play a decent amount of games smoothly as long as you're willing to run on low settings.
The main issue here was getting it to run off of the WD500gb Blue without giving it a buddy to handle the operating system.
As someone who likes using HDDs in this day and age, I'll say the WD500gb is probably the most reliable on the market tied with the WD Green line of HDDs and is a solid work horse (it wouldn't handle PS5 stuff but can run PS3/360 era content) but it was always going to struggle with having it's abilities split between running the OS, Steam and a game.
If you'd like to try a more efficient set up, use an SSD exclusively for the OS, an SSD to run things like PS5 ports and a large capacity WD Black HDD for everything prior to the PS5.
We recognized the value of the SSD right away. A 120GB sata SSD was the price of a 2TB nvme today. I still bought it.
Why? Because the online games we were playing back then didn't have a staging screen, the game starts before anyone has actually loaded.
Since SSD's were still rare, by the time someone on the other team had finished loading, i was already capping the base next to their home base XD
8:09 20 MB a second, for me who lives in the sticks where fibre is a myth and 5G is a whisper on the wind, that sounds so fast lmao
I love how they are amazed at those download speeds while I'm sitting here with a max download of 8 gbps because I live in middle of nowhere illinois and have damn near no internet provider options lol. My phone Hotspot download 3x the speed of my home internet
Our teachers were given laptops that are just as slow. That's 3 minutes or so to boot windows 10, another 3 to start chrome, and 1 min per focused window switch. They have some pentium processor inside.
The startup time reminds me of 2006: first thing i was doing when getting home from school was powering on the PC so i could play wow after lunch, that shit took about 15 minutes to boot up
I remember seeing some post forever ago where a guy had made a hackintosh that he overclocked to a mind blowing 3.4GHz. I thought that computer was pretty much a rocket ship when I saw it. Crazy that same number nowadays is comically slow.