I just picked this light up on the start of my flower cycle and replaced my mars hydro tsw2000 in my 4x4 tent and there's a massive difference in my plants already
I put this in the spiter farmer 2.5x2.5 tent that comes with the sf1000 kit and it fit. Running about around 18 to 20in at 60%. I had a really good run with the sf 1000 other then my timer got bumped and my flowers started to stretch out. I fixed it but it was a little to late still pull just over half pound from 100w. Im about week 6 or 7 and 2nd week with the SF4000 and wow the buds are harder then anything I've ever had before I used to use hortilux eye 1000w hps flowering and t5 480w and clone CFL. I'm now fully led start to finish it took a moment to get the feeding just right as the plants seen to need more faster then when I had the hps. Also the best stuff I've yet to see
I got the SF1000 kit 4 months ago to tryit out I was able to get 1/2 pound off one plant. Do to space I only have room for a 2x4 tent but I didn't want to do there SF2000 because I have plans past that so I've been thinking about just getting the SF4000 and turning it down and I'm glad I went back looking at videos this sold it I did realize you did this in a 2x4 tent when I seen the the video before. Thanks for the time you put into your videos.
@@Justintime2grow LEDs are definitely king in tents and enclosed areas but in open space i still prefer hps. I run led in all my tents but the old school in me still holds on to my hid. I'm hanging California lightworks UVB t5 now to see what difference it has. 3 on one side none on the other,so we will see.
@@bdog4u2 yeah hps sure has quite a spread but that’s also 1100w+ at the wall vs 450 so it should. Two of these sf4000 would crush a single 1100w double ended hps at only 900 watts at the wall.
Spider Farmer has upgraded the SF series with new dimmable knob and daisy chain and the dimmer is no longer under the driver. I have the SF 1000 in my 2x2.
The light is awesome the only thing they need to do now to put it over the top would be have those drivers removable and be able to put them outside the tent.
I own a SF2000 and it does in fact come with the same dimmer/on-off/daisy chain as the SF4000 have. Not that it has any relevance to your video, just wanted to state a fact. Great Job as always
How do u think comparison to the hlg 650r is the 400 to 500 bucks in price jump worth the LM301H diodes vs the LM301b in the spider ? The spider price is really appealing
love the vids man. what u recomend for 2x4 for around 200$? also is there any chance you can do measurments in lux too.. a lot of us cant afford a par meter but lux meters are very reasonable and pretty accurate with a phone even....
So i can run it at 20% at 16 inches from canopy for the whole veg cycle then turn to 78% at 20 inches for flowering ? I'm trying to figure it out and your video was really helpful, would really appreciate if you could comfirm the above.
@@silverdawn2767 i have tried..guess im not talking to the right people...if you know who to contact let mw know I would be more than happy to write reviews
MGS MassGrowSquad you don’t write reviews you do video reviews on UA-cam and they are only going to be interested in sending you free lights if you have a big ass following on UA-cam.
Thanks! Yea some months are like that. Some are more, some are less. There is no secret other than building a viewership really. These companies want to get eyes on their lights and thats it.
I'm going to start growing because I'm sick of taking pain pills..... I have around $1,200 for a 4x8 grow space what do you recommend ... I was thinking about two of the spider farmers... Because of the excellent components the spider farmer light has at a good cost.... What do you think Justin
That’s an easy one, you’re watching the video that’s the best bang for your buck for a 4x4. Get two of these, between the amazon coupon and my “justintime2” discount code they’re an amazing deal. Should be less than $1200 for the pair. 👍🏼
@@Justintime2grow I got it 8-in fan and filter .... and I have gorilla glue #4... Just waiting for my lights to come now.. Oh one more question what kind of nutrients do you recommend... Somebody told me Canna
Then get the Vivosun 4x8 that is on sale for under $200. Then, purchase their carbon filter and fan combo kit for under $200. $800 on the sf lights and then under $400 on Vivosun equipment and you’re slightly under budget to purchase other stuff.
Justin , I just bought this LED light. Thanks to your review. Now during your review its best at 20 " to 24" . Now I'm wondering if you can help me with the 24" height settings for Seedlings , Veg , Flowering on the dimmer switch settings. Please . Thanks . The Spider Farmer SF 4000 is set up in a 4x4 AC Infinity tent with a Bag style CO2 hanging just above the plants .
Any chance you could get a proper test going to see if the red coating on the aluminum heat sink on the HLG 300, 550v2 dissipates heat better than without? I own quite a few hlg lights, but i have no way to test the spider farmers, etc. I heard Steven from hlg mention this coating on the GML show and it piqued my interest. Great videos. Thanks! Oh yeah, i noticed the knock offs tend to use 2 drivers instead of one, any idea why they do that?
How would that even make sense? It's not adding any mass and it's not reflecting or absorbing light. The larger driver costs more I believe and a lot of them will run the 3000 and 5000 chips on different drivers.
suggest buying an aluminum heat sink (under $20) and secure it onto the ballast top with thermal compound (~ $5) and put a fitted muffin fan (120mm) on top of the heat sink to suck out the heat; I was wondering why manufacturers don't offer an extension cable to optionally move the ballast out of a tent scenario.
I’ve got mine running along with an 8” AC Infinity system, one clip-on fan up top to move everything around evenly. My ACI and Inkbird controllers are keeping the tent about 72F. Highest i saw was 78F. It is cooling down here in WA State and the tent is in an unheated shop. I’ve even had to get a mini oil-filled radiator that the Inkbird runs. I’ve got 2 of the bottom windows half open pulling in the shop air. I just ordered one of those Govee Bluetooth sensors that sit in the tent and feeds data to the phone. I’m anxious to see how all this data will play out over the next 24/7.
That was a great video. I just bought this light and found your video very informative and reassuring. Only grown for a few seasons and still learning. Just got 2 seedling in tent 30” away at 60%. Thanks for the video.
Hello new subscriber I have 2 sf4000 in a 4x8 tent What would be your recommended hanging height and light intensity for veg and flower any help would be appreciated thanks
So I just did a bunch of testing on LEDs getting ready for a 12,000sf grow. I usually run CMH but could not ignore the progress made with LEDs. The numbers this unit puts out is truly incredible and for $600!!! Have to note, they run HOT!!! I placed a small 4" fan pointing down on the drivers and it dropped the heat considerably. This unit beat out a gavita 1700e and growers choice 720 based on my testing. Couldn't believe it
The kit I’m looking at comes with a 5x5 tent, and in the first page on the manual it says max 5x5. In your opinion will a 5x5 tent be alright for this light?, might have some serious drop off on the edges I guess?.
@@elizabethwebster3327 I’ve had mine for 2 weeks. What height and power is yours at for veg? The thing is bright and w/o a meter I went with 30” full power.
First few days it was at 20% at 4 feet because I'd read somewhere starting at 4 feet is a good start if you're nervous about upgrading and have fresh seedlings. I didnt want to bleCh my seedlings. I now have mine at 30% sitting 24" .. will probably increase the intensity as it grows then drop off once it reaches closer to harvesting when I do 12/12 intervals. My plants are about a month old now.. it's my first grow, so it's been trial and error.. but so far nothing looks concerning based on what to watch out for. Tried it on full blast for 4 hours and came back to my tent at 36c and 40% RH so it puts out ridiculous heat in a 5x5.. I wouldnt put it full unless you have a crazy good flow to disperse heat output.
@@elizabethwebster3327 This is my first grow too. It’s cool here in the PNW and I picked up my clones from the grower the last days of Sep. Looking at my records the grower cut the clones 8/25, so that makes the plants almost 2 months old. The plants went into the 5x5x8 GGT Oct 1st and were under an LEDTonic Z5 light (blue setting) for the first week until I figured out and settled on the SF4000. Originally I had the Z5 24” above the tiny plants and hung the 4000 at 5’ full power just because it’s been so cold, it was a heater for the tent. Last week I got a mini oil-filled radiator so I’m not concern with heat anymore. My temp is set to range 68-76F and it’s maintaining 72F. My AC Infinity T8 has handled keeping it at the right temp, that things a power house. They have really come to life the past 10 days with height and many new branches And leaves so I removed the Z5 and lowered the 4000 to 30” full power. I came here trying to figure out the best height and brightness which has been nerve racking. Now I’m concerned it’s either to close or too bright at 30”. I want to flood the tent with light so every branch and leaf get plenty. With heat under control it would be nice to have a chart of weeks with height and dimmer%. The manual says nothing about dimming accept as a daisy chain setup. It sucks.
I’ll have to look for my 1/8” (metal gear) hangers now, since I’m using two 1/4” (metal gear) hangers with their hanging kit, but tossed their cheap plastic gear hangers.
@@Shadowboxe here in the Pacific NorthWET the winters are somewhat cold and summers (all 6 weeks) are hot. So yes the additional heat from the drivers is appreciated this season. I may mount mine on an aluminum plate to hang on the metal wall just outside the tent for Summers.
I use the P1500 & the XS1500 by Viparspectra & my Banana Runtz & Divine Gelato x Project 4516 are loving them! My King LED is a 1200w I have covering a 4x4 area just fine, but it's a tent. In my eyes, they're worth it when they're working! But when they go out, the company is a hassle to get ahold of 😅
Just an update. The newest version of the SF2000 does indeed have the separate box with the dimmer, daisy chain, and on/off switch. Id imagine the SF1000 has this same new feature. This feature was a big factor in me choosing the SF2000 instead of any other brand
Love this light! I have 2 SF4000s for my 4x8 Gorilla grow flower tent. Running at 24inches full blast with Co2 and the ladies love it! Great affordable light
Wow dude 2 in a 4x8?!!!!! That’s awesome how are you liking it?!!! Would you change anything?! I’m still debating between 3 Mars SP 3000’s, HLG 650R or 2 SF 4000’s for my 5x5. I’d love to hear what you think!!!!!
Omgcezwho Dude the ladies love it! They’re exploding with growth. The temp is steady at 80-83 degrees with both lights on. I wouldn’t change a thing. I have three 6” clip fans, two 16” wall mount fans and the AC infinity T8 exhaust fan. It’s almost a perfect set up. I just need filters for the tent intakes to keep the air super clean. Bro the 650R is a straight monster. The PAR just blows away the SF4000 and mars hydro. Lol. However, 2 SF4000s is the same price as 1 650R. I feel like you would get better canopy coverage with 2 SF4000s and close to the same PAR as 1 650R.
Thanks for that info bro I appreciate it👊🏽 I was thinking the same thing about the SF4000 but might be a bit of an awkward fit in a 5x5 unless I put them both facing the corners rather then straight if you get me. What about 3 Mars SP3000 those spectrum look real nice and might be easier to distribute the 3.🤷🏽♂️✌🏽👊🏽
Omgcezwho No problem brother! 2 SF4000s would blow up a 5x5 for sure! You might have to turn the dimmer down to 60% 😂 The SP3000s are good lights but at $400 each that would be $1200 plus tax. Two SF4000s or one 650R will put out more PAR than three SP3000s for $100 less. They’re all great lights.
I would say 4x4 for sure 5x5 is quite a few more square feet. I think it could do it but you may have less dense nugs on the last like 6" on each side.
So do you think spider farmer lights will compete with kind? I've been using kind led since they came out but it's just getting to pricey to replace them now that their starting to break
I didn’t know the sf-4000 for $425 on Amazon was a cheap light ha. How about the $600 ks 5000 by viparspectra is that cheap too ? How expensive do these light get 2000 ha
Currently running a older sf4000 in a 5x5 only complaint is how hot it gets. You’ll definitely need some way to cool down your area my tent got up to like 86 not turned up and no ac.
86 degrees is fine with LEDs. You can run high 80s with if you have to. Check your leaf temps. The leafs should be 74-78 degrees which is ideal if your ambient temp is 86 degrees. Have you tried an exhaust fan or running your lights at night when it’s cooler?
I love these lights so far, the only problem is it does get kind of hot when your running 2 of them in a 4x8 . It has been a struggle with heat for me so far but it has been very hot here lately, it has me thinking though that I might want 2 4x4 with 1 a piece in them just to help out with the heat issue.
One guy in this thread made a good point for hot locations. Mount the drivers outside the tent with a little rewiring. The giant aluminum plate (heatsink) should handle the rest. My drivers do get hot even in my cool climate.
Just finished a grow with an SF4000 & SF2000 combo in a 4x4 - absolutely phenomenal results! I highly recommend these lights. My only issue is the heat they radiate esp during the summer months. Personally, I think that they are better suited for a grow-room set-up rather than a tent.
What height and power did you keep your light at for both veg and bloom? The manual is too vague. It says on page 4, Seedling = 24” Veg = 18”-24” Bloom = 12”-18”. Nothing about dimming. I don’t have a meter to check. My clones are about 8-10” tall and I have it at 30” full power in a 5x5x8. The thing is so bright.
@@Shadowboxe Since writing my comment I’ve done just that and the plants are thriving now. I started at 30%@30” I’m now at 50%@30” and the drooping and yellow veins that had started showing is all gone. Leaves are pointing up and dark forest green again. I’ll probably raise another 10% this weekend.
We all know that spider farmer is a really good light but I'd like to see Amazons Bestva 2000-watt Elite Series PAR reading ,They used to call it Samsung Series until myself and a few other people got in there ass about not having any Samsung LEDs.
MixJoy gl 2000, meanwell driver, same samsung led's, $140. on Amazon. Two of them are the same as this light for just over half the price. And with the quantum boards separate you can arrange them spaced farther apart to get a better light spread. I have to keep them at about 60% to keep the (flower) par between 600-1000.
And if you read the reviews someone said they got 2 and neither of them were the wattage they said and both were different wattage even. A lot of companies also sell fake diodes. I only trust companies I know. Also the new sf4000 has the diodes spaced differently to improve spread. You also don’t own a par meter if you’re that cheap so your fake ppfd rating is useless as well. Mix joy also uses ELG drivers not XLG drivers. Not all meanwell are made the same. They cut corners. That’s why their power is less too. Xlg are always at max power no matter the voltage where elg can be variable depending on exact voltage. If you want to save some money go ahead but it’s not the same thing.
Thank you soo much for your code i was just about to be broke for buying the SF-4000 but now i saved $40. You've gained a sub keep it up dude The SF-4000 is for one side of my 4×8 cool grow tent 💪🌱
So I want to grab 2 of these for my mother room. They say they can do a 6x6 for veg. Anyone have hands on experience using these for that? I am trying to light a 10x6 area for my mothers
and the issue with growth to fast i got that too and it made me go crazy trying to figure out what was making my stems go purple lol. could of used this video 5 weeks ago lol
I feel ya i just also think tht close to actual plants will burn them unless your turning the dimmer way down which then its not very effective for growth
@@idabright503 the manual say Seedling = 24” Veg = 18”-24” Bloom = 12”-18”. Nothing about dimming. Justin ran numbers for 16” and 20” at all dim levels. I’m hoping he answers my question on usage in my 5x5.
@@Justintime2grow Your information is much appreciated,I’ll probably start at 24 inches,and leave it around 70 percent,for a. 4x4!Or like you said closer but dimmed a little more. I’m not using to that much Intensity. I’m sold on this one.I have a 4x4 that 5 fr 9 and can only have at about the five foot mark.Thanks again Justintimetogrow‼️👍
no ,NPK , according too what stage your in, veg or flower, veg more cal mag , flower more nitrogen, there fore turn the lights up gradually in each faze, so the last two weeks of flower turn your lights to full intensity 🌱
I have 2 newer sf2000 in my 4x4. I run a 6" fan on the drivers. My tent runs 3-4 degrees Fahrenheit cooler. Plants also love em. I.have to feed more often too compared to my old viparspectra 600s. I'll never go back to blurple!
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I used your discount to purchase two sf4000 lights, thank you so much!
I just picked this light up on the start of my flower cycle and replaced my mars hydro tsw2000 in my 4x4 tent and there's a massive difference in my plants already
I put this in the spiter farmer 2.5x2.5 tent that comes with the sf1000 kit and it fit. Running about around 18 to 20in at 60%. I had a really good run with the sf 1000 other then my timer got bumped and my flowers started to stretch out. I fixed it but it was a little to late still pull just over half pound from 100w. Im about week 6 or 7 and 2nd week with the SF4000 and wow the buds are harder then anything I've ever had before I used to use hortilux eye 1000w hps flowering and t5 480w and clone CFL. I'm now fully led start to finish it took a moment to get the feeding just right as the plants seen to need more faster then when I had the hps. Also the best stuff I've yet to see
I'm running 2 SF2000s in a 3x3 right now at 65% week 2 veg. 30 inches ,5 plants, 3 gallon pots with roots organics soil. So far so good !
Thanks for the video by the way, so helpful !
Thanks for sharing
Great video love the little words of wisdom throughout
After watching this and doing a little research I totally just ordered the SE5000
I got the SF1000 kit 4 months ago to tryit out I was able to get 1/2 pound off one plant. Do to space I only have room for a 2x4 tent but I didn't want to do there SF2000 because I have plans past that so I've been thinking about just getting the SF4000 and turning it down and I'm glad I went back looking at videos this sold it I did realize you did this in a 2x4 tent when I seen the the video before. Thanks for the time you put into your videos.
Have you tested viparspectra? Curious about there new LEDs.
I have 2 sf4000s and a 1000w eye hortilux super hps in a 4x10. Hps in the middle with co2. I pulled over 6lbs last run. 25 years of continuous growing
That sounds like a great setup. I had amazing results when I was combining led and hps while transitioning from all hps to all led. 👍🏼
@@Justintime2grow LEDs are definitely king in tents and enclosed areas but in open space i still prefer hps. I run led in all my tents but the old school in me still holds on to my hid. I'm hanging California lightworks UVB t5 now to see what difference it has. 3 on one side none on the other,so we will see.
@@bdog4u2 yeah hps sure has quite a spread but that’s also 1100w+ at the wall vs 450 so it should. Two of these sf4000 would crush a single 1100w double ended hps at only 900 watts at the wall.
What would you sergest as a exact replacement for 600w hps to L.E.D to give safe output?
Just bought a sf4000 , saved over $50 with your code
Cheers
Nice 👍🏼
What is the code? Still available?
I hesitated the other day and missed out on 1 for £275 on fb gutted
i miss the grow vids you used to make. Thanks for all you do. Cheers!
Subscribe to my 2nd channel in the description will be doing more content there.
Spider Farmer has upgraded the SF series with new dimmable knob and daisy chain and the dimmer is no longer under the driver. I have the SF 1000 in my 2x2.
Nice
I really want a sf1000 but I’d also wanna try another light in there as well; any ideas?
2 of them or an SF2000 can fit in there. I have since bought the sf2000, and a mars hydro ts1000, but now I have their sp6500 in a 3x5.
The light is awesome the only thing they need to do now to put it over the top would be have those drivers removable and be able to put them outside the tent.
U can disconnect the drives and I'm surprised he did say that but that definitely makes it a game changer. Very good led
@Justintime2grow are u going to be testing the new sf4000 with the new led layout
I just bought 5 spider farmers. All have dimmers and daisy chain.
Nice
Do you think it would be better to get a couple SF4000's and add additional smaller lights if needed for a 10x11 or multiple SF2000s?
Is it ok to run a small humidifier in tent or is it dangerous?
I own a SF2000 and it does in fact come with the same dimmer/on-off/daisy chain as the SF4000 have. Not that it has any relevance to your video, just wanted to state a fact.
Great Job as always
Thanks was gonna ask that too👌
Yeah i reviewed the 2000 and 1000 before they came with them.
After one grow one of the drivers gave out so now only half the lights work. Incredibly frustrating. Can a new driver be bought and installed?
Yes they should have meanwell drivers. You can just order direct from meanwell by the model number. They do have a warranty, I would contact them.
What’s the temperature UNDER the light? I must have missed that
That’s a nice light I think I found my next one thanks for the review
Welcome
The new versions of the sf1000 and sf2000 do have daisy chain plugs on them if you order from amazon they are listed as newest.
Good lookin out. I tested the 2000 and 1000 before they had dimmers. 👍🏼
Yea i just got my 1000 in and its got the daisy chain box
that hanging wire will hold you and the light, I've had that light for 4 yrs, light is still hanging by that wire...go spider farmer..peace
Sure if the little Chinese kid that made it crimped it right.
How do u think comparison to the hlg 650r is the 400 to 500 bucks in price jump worth the
LM301H diodes vs the LM301b in the spider ? The spider price is really appealing
love the vids man. what u recomend for 2x4 for around 200$? also is there any chance you can do measurments in lux too.. a lot of us cant afford a par meter but lux meters are very reasonable and pretty accurate with a phone even....
I've started with viparspectra 600 at $150 works pretty good if you do lst
So i can run it at 20% at 16 inches from canopy for the whole veg cycle then turn to 78% at 20 inches for flowering ? I'm trying to figure it out and your video was really helpful, would really appreciate if you could comfirm the above.
You must get a light a week at least...for real whats the secret as I need a new light to save my grow.....love your reviews man. Your the best!!
Become a UA-cam light reviewer they will send them for free you just gotta do a review
@@silverdawn2767 i have tried..guess im not talking to the right people...if you know who to contact let mw know I would be more than happy to write reviews
MGS MassGrowSquad you don’t write reviews you do video reviews on UA-cam and they are only going to be interested in sending you free lights if you have a big ass following on UA-cam.
MGS MassGrowSquad you have to have a decent following, and a good amount of videos on grow lights.
Thanks! Yea some months are like that. Some are more, some are less. There is no secret other than building a viewership really. These companies want to get eyes on their lights and thats it.
I'm going to start growing because I'm sick of taking pain pills.....
I have around $1,200 for a 4x8 grow space what do you recommend ... I was thinking about two of the spider farmers... Because of the excellent components the spider farmer light has at a good cost.... What do you think Justin
That’s an easy one, you’re watching the video that’s the best bang for your buck for a 4x4. Get two of these, between the amazon coupon and my “justintime2” discount code they’re an amazing deal. Should be less than $1200 for the pair. 👍🏼
@@Justintime2grow thank you so much Justin👊🏼💥..
God bless you and your family brother..
@@soldierforgod1477 all the best of luck to you, as long as you get good genetics and some decent ventilation these lights will take you far.
@@Justintime2grow I got it 8-in fan and filter ....
and I have gorilla glue #4...
Just waiting for my lights to come now..
Oh one more question what kind of nutrients do you recommend... Somebody told me Canna
Then get the Vivosun 4x8 that is on sale for under $200. Then, purchase their carbon filter and fan combo kit for under $200. $800 on the sf lights and then under $400 on Vivosun equipment and you’re slightly under budget to purchase other stuff.
I cant find this model with the two drivers for sale anywhere all just have one
because they are updated better drivers in the 2021 versions
Justin , I just bought this LED light.
Thanks to your review. Now during your review its best at 20 " to 24" .
Now I'm wondering if you can help me with the 24" height settings for Seedlings , Veg , Flowering on the dimmer switch settings.
Please . Thanks . The Spider Farmer SF 4000 is set up in a 4x4 AC Infinity tent with a Bag style CO2 hanging just above the plants .
Hy ...on 80% dimming how much watt is it ?
Any chance you could get a proper test going to see if the red coating on the aluminum heat sink on the HLG 300, 550v2 dissipates heat better than without? I own quite a few hlg lights, but i have no way to test the spider farmers, etc.
I heard Steven from hlg mention this coating on the GML show and it piqued my interest.
Great videos. Thanks!
Oh yeah, i noticed the knock offs tend to use 2 drivers instead of one, any idea why they do that?
How would that even make sense? It's not adding any mass and it's not reflecting or absorbing light.
The larger driver costs more I believe and a lot of them will run the 3000 and 5000 chips on different drivers.
can they be connected to a troll master or another controller?
how many watt of the 80 and 100% ?
What was your wattage draw at 80%??
450×80%=360w
suggest buying an aluminum heat sink (under $20) and secure it onto the ballast top with thermal compound (~ $5) and put a fitted muffin fan (120mm) on top of the heat sink to suck out the heat; I was wondering why manufacturers don't offer an extension cable to optionally move the ballast out of a tent scenario.
I’ve got mine running along with an 8” AC Infinity system, one clip-on fan up top to move everything around evenly. My ACI and Inkbird controllers are keeping the tent about 72F. Highest i saw was 78F. It is cooling down here in WA State and the tent is in an unheated shop. I’ve even had to get a mini oil-filled radiator that the Inkbird runs.
I’ve got 2 of the bottom windows half open pulling in the shop air. I just ordered one of those Govee Bluetooth sensors that sit in the tent and feeds data to the phone. I’m anxious to see how all this data will play out over the next 24/7.
Miss your videos bud. Glad your putting them back up! 🤙🏻
Great video! I have this light and you just helped me out. Thank you 😊
Welcome
SpiderFarmer SF4K piggy backing a SF2K in a 4'/8' tent is working great so far
Nice
Do it for the whole run at 78% ?
Should I run this solo in my 5x5 or get a sf1000 and a sf4000? First time growing in anything more than a 2x2
get a sf7000
I got the original version and it’s a great light same as hlg 550 quantum boards Samsung diodes. Excellent light
That was a great video. I just bought this light and found your video very informative and reassuring. Only grown for a few seasons and still learning. Just got 2 seedling in tent 30” away at 60%. Thanks for the video.
is this enough for 5x5 or do i need stronger light?
A 5x5 is almost double the lighting requirements of a 4x4. You would need to look at their new SE-7000 review I did.
@@Justintime2grow will check out your review for sure! only bad i heard is the 7000 dont use samsung diodes witch worries me a bit
@@icecold3426 It does now. They have upgraded it again since I reviewed it. It has lm301b now. I will be reviewing the new model in around a month.
@@icecold3426 Discount code justintime2 to save some money
@@icecold3426 Make sure you're looking at the SE7000 also not the SF7000.
Would you use the dimmer during veg and or flower and why
If you have height problems
Hello new subscriber I have 2 sf4000 in a 4x8 tent What would be your recommended hanging height and light intensity for veg and flower any help would be appreciated thanks
How high above the par meter was the light? I don’t recall you mentioning the distance. Thanks
I always do 16" to start.
So I just did a bunch of testing on LEDs getting ready for a 12,000sf grow. I usually run CMH but could not ignore the progress made with LEDs. The numbers this unit puts out is truly incredible and for $600!!! Have to note, they run HOT!!! I placed a small 4" fan pointing down on the drivers and it dropped the heat considerably. This unit beat out a gavita 1700e and growers choice 720 based on my testing. Couldn't believe it
how do you connect all of them tho?
@@mukando11 daisy chain into a control module. I think you can control up to 100 lights at once now.
The kit I’m looking at comes with a 5x5 tent, and in the first page on the manual it says max 5x5. In your opinion will a 5x5 tent be alright for this light?, might have some serious drop off on the edges I guess?.
Spider Farmer states that it covers 6x6 veg and 5x5 flower. I have a 5x5 tent tent and just received mine yesterday. So far so good.
@@elizabethwebster3327 I’ve had mine for 2 weeks. What height and power is yours at for veg? The thing is bright and w/o a meter I went with 30” full power.
First few days it was at 20% at 4 feet because I'd read somewhere starting at 4 feet is a good start if you're nervous about upgrading and have fresh seedlings. I didnt want to bleCh my seedlings. I now have mine at 30% sitting 24" .. will probably increase the intensity as it grows then drop off once it reaches closer to harvesting when I do 12/12 intervals. My plants are about a month old now.. it's my first grow, so it's been trial and error.. but so far nothing looks concerning based on what to watch out for. Tried it on full blast for 4 hours and came back to my tent at 36c and 40% RH so it puts out ridiculous heat in a 5x5.. I wouldnt put it full unless you have a crazy good flow to disperse heat output.
@@elizabethwebster3327 This is my first grow too. It’s cool here in the PNW and I picked up my clones from the grower the last days of Sep. Looking at my records the grower cut the clones 8/25, so that makes the plants almost 2 months old. The plants went into the 5x5x8 GGT Oct 1st and were under an LEDTonic Z5 light (blue setting) for the first week until I figured out and settled on the SF4000. Originally I had the Z5 24” above the tiny plants and hung the 4000 at 5’ full power just because it’s been so cold, it was a heater for the tent. Last week I got a mini oil-filled radiator so I’m not concern with heat anymore. My temp is set to range 68-76F and it’s maintaining 72F. My AC Infinity T8 has handled keeping it at the right temp, that things a power house.
They have really come to life the past 10 days with height and many new branches And leaves so I removed the Z5 and lowered the 4000 to 30” full power.
I came here trying to figure out the best height and brightness which has been nerve racking. Now I’m concerned it’s either to close or too bright at 30”. I want to flood the tent with light so every branch and leaf get plenty.
With heat under control it would be nice to have a chart of weeks with height and dimmer%. The manual says nothing about dimming accept as a daisy chain setup. It sucks.
What is the PPFD?
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So 2 of these would work great in a 4x8 tent?
They say it veg's 6x6 an flowers a 5x5 so i would say yes
For best results would I need 2 SF4000’s for a 5x5 as well??
Omgcezwho SF4000 & SF 2000 for best coverage in a 5x5
Yep for sure.
@@MoonMe00 just one
Bro this video was super helpful!! Much obliged
the hanging kit is fine but you do want to get the hangers it makes it raise higher if needed
I’ll have to look for my 1/8” (metal gear) hangers now, since I’m using two 1/4” (metal gear) hangers with their hanging kit, but tossed their cheap plastic gear hangers.
Hey Justin what was the juice at 80% you didn't say
I take the drivers off the board and suspend them and that drops the temp big time.
From what I gather that aluminum board is supposed to be a giant heatsink, correct?
@@Mr_PNW Correct.
It's optional. You may want to leave them on In winter grows.
@@Shadowboxe here in the Pacific NorthWET the winters are somewhat cold and summers (all 6 weeks) are hot. So yes the additional heat from the drivers is appreciated this season. I may mount mine on an aluminum plate to hang on the metal wall just outside the tent for Summers.
Mount them on the outside of the tent?
I use the P1500 & the XS1500 by Viparspectra & my Banana Runtz & Divine Gelato x Project 4516 are loving them! My King LED is a 1200w I have covering a 4x4 area just fine, but it's a tent. In my eyes, they're worth it when they're working! But when they go out, the company is a hassle to get ahold of 😅
I know the center on the 1500's is probably only about 950w, & the 1200w King probs peaks at 850w center, but they've been killing it for me
Just an update. The newest version of the SF2000 does indeed have the separate box with the dimmer, daisy chain, and on/off switch. Id imagine the SF1000 has this same new feature. This feature was a big factor in me choosing the SF2000 instead of any other brand
The dimmer also has its own on/off switch on the back of the box which they recommend turning off when not dimming.
Photontek needs to send you that X600 :)
I’m going to add some aftermarket heat sinks with thermal tape myself to help with the cooling
Hey, Justin or anyone, I'm running an ac unit in my tent. my question is how close can the spider farmer 4000 be before worrying about heat stress.
Probably around 4" but youll see light stress first.
What’s the tool name that he is putting under the light ?
Par meter
Love this light! I have 2 SF4000s for my 4x8 Gorilla grow flower tent. Running at 24inches full blast with Co2 and the ladies love it! Great affordable light
Wow dude 2 in a 4x8?!!!!! That’s awesome how are you liking it?!!! Would you change anything?! I’m still debating between 3 Mars SP 3000’s, HLG 650R or 2 SF 4000’s for my 5x5. I’d love to hear what you think!!!!!
Omgcezwho Dude the ladies love it! They’re exploding with growth. The temp is steady at 80-83 degrees with both lights on. I wouldn’t change a thing. I have three 6” clip fans, two 16” wall mount fans and the AC infinity T8 exhaust fan. It’s almost a perfect set up. I just need filters for the tent intakes to keep the air super clean.
Bro the 650R is a straight monster. The PAR just blows away the SF4000 and mars hydro. Lol. However, 2 SF4000s is the same price as 1 650R. I feel like you would get better canopy coverage with 2 SF4000s and close to the same PAR as 1 650R.
Thanks for that info bro I appreciate it👊🏽 I was thinking the same thing about the SF4000 but might be a bit of an awkward fit in a 5x5 unless I put them both facing the corners rather then straight if you get me. What about 3 Mars SP3000 those spectrum look real nice and might be easier to distribute the 3.🤷🏽♂️✌🏽👊🏽
Omgcezwho No problem brother! 2 SF4000s would blow up a 5x5 for sure! You might have to turn the dimmer down to 60% 😂
The SP3000s are good lights but at $400 each that would be $1200 plus tax. Two SF4000s or one 650R will put out more PAR than three SP3000s for $100 less.
They’re all great lights.
Nice
Hello, would this light be good for 5x5 as the manufacture suggest
abe zeke The SF4000 can veg a 5x5 and flower a 4x4
I would say 4x4 for sure 5x5 is quite a few more square feet. I think it could do it but you may have less dense nugs on the last like 6" on each side.
Quick question, with 2 SF 4000 growing area 8 x 8x 8, how many plants can I grow? Thank you
@@MrDmadness my grow speces 7x7sf . How may plants can I grow ?
2 of these lights will effectively cover a 4x8. Possibly get away with a 5x10 but kinda pushing it for flower. 8x8 would technically need 4
So do you think spider farmer lights will compete with kind? I've been using kind led since they came out but it's just getting to pricey to replace them now that their starting to break
Yes kind is old technology and has always been over hyped imo.
Kind is 🗑. Only flat earthers use kind leds😭😭
@@dirkdigglar7413 But the light spreads better over the plants when there’s no curvature.
I didn’t know the sf-4000 for $425 on Amazon was a cheap light ha. How about the $600 ks 5000 by viparspectra is that cheap too ? How expensive do these light get 2000 ha
About 1400 for top end. So yes this is considered "cheaper".
YOURS HAVE 2 DRIVERS, THE WEBSITE ONLY HAS 1 DRIVER - WHY IS THT. I REALLY WANT ONE OF THESE LIGHTS
i have two sf 4000 and i love them
FatBoyDrew the old models have one driver if you’re on amazon look for the 2020 model
New model with the dimmer now and 2 drivers.
I love this light so far lol I just got mine and huge difference from blurple garbage!
What do you do with the lights you’ve already tested ? Want to sell one ?
Currently running a older sf4000 in a 5x5 only complaint is how hot it gets. You’ll definitely need some way to cool down your area my tent got up to like 86 not turned up and no ac.
86 degrees is fine with LEDs. You can run high 80s with if you have to. Check your leaf temps. The leafs should be 74-78 degrees which is ideal if your ambient temp is 86 degrees. Have you tried an exhaust fan or running your lights at night when it’s cooler?
Sounds like you need more ventilation or a cooler room outside the tent. It's wattage, wattage equals heat.
i got the model that you cant dim, does that mean i cant use to veg?
Your too stupid to grow weed.
@@perryhart3172 you're
lol did you get veggied
I may run this light in a 3/3 what do you think lol
It would be great in a 3x3, you could run it dimmed a little bit and still get great coverage.
I love these lights so far, the only problem is it does get kind of hot when your running 2 of them in a 4x8 . It has been a struggle with heat for me so far but it has been very hot here lately, it has me thinking though that I might want 2 4x4 with 1 a piece in them just to help out with the heat issue.
These heat is nothing compare to HPS
@@saka3364 I already know.
@@saka3364 That is exactly why I won't use them.
One guy in this thread made a good point for hot locations. Mount the drivers outside the tent with a little rewiring. The giant aluminum plate (heatsink) should handle the rest. My drivers do get hot even in my cool climate.
@@Mr_PNW that is a good idea.
Just finished a grow with an SF4000 & SF2000 combo in a 4x4 - absolutely phenomenal results!
I highly recommend these lights.
My only issue is the heat they radiate esp during the summer months.
Personally, I think that they are better suited for a grow-room set-up rather than a tent.
Remove to Drivers from the boarders and put them outside the tent. You just need to splice wires and extend, very simple.
@@Tabooza After this grow and before next summer I just might do that. For once I’m glad for the cool weather here in the PNW.
What height and power did you keep your light at for both veg and bloom? The manual is too vague.
It says on page 4, Seedling = 24” Veg = 18”-24” Bloom = 12”-18”. Nothing about dimming. I don’t have a meter to check. My clones are about 8-10” tall and I have it at 30” full power in a 5x5x8. The thing is so bright.
@@Mr_PNW That's a bit li saying what ear should you use to drive up that hill. you modify and adjust until you find the sweet spot.
@@Shadowboxe Since writing my comment I’ve done just that and the plants are thriving now. I started at 30%@30” I’m now at 50%@30” and the drooping and yellow veins that had started showing is all gone. Leaves are pointing up and dark forest green again. I’ll probably raise another 10% this weekend.
At what height were these measurements taken?
Did you watch the video?
12 inches
Time to review the spider farmer sf7000
Done 👍🏼
We all know that spider farmer is a really good light but I'd like to see Amazons Bestva 2000-watt Elite Series PAR reading ,They used to call it Samsung Series until myself and a few other people got in there ass about not having any Samsung LEDs.
Sounds like you're not fond of it, why are you even interested in seeing PAR values?
@@smokeyBJJ So he can get in their ass on those too.
MixJoy gl 2000, meanwell driver, same samsung led's, $140. on Amazon. Two of them are the same as this light for just over half the price. And with the quantum boards separate you can arrange them spaced farther apart to get a better light spread. I have to keep them at about 60% to keep the (flower) par between 600-1000.
And if you read the reviews someone said they got 2 and neither of them were the wattage they said and both were different wattage even. A lot of companies also sell fake diodes. I only trust companies I know. Also the new sf4000 has the diodes spaced differently to improve spread. You also don’t own a par meter if you’re that cheap so your fake ppfd rating is useless as well.
Mix joy also uses ELG drivers not XLG drivers. Not all meanwell are made the same. They cut corners. That’s why their power is less too. Xlg are always at max power no matter the voltage where elg can be variable depending on exact voltage.
If you want to save some money go ahead but it’s not the same thing.
Thank you soo much for your code i was just about to be broke for buying the SF-4000 but now i saved $40. You've gained a sub keep it up dude
The SF-4000 is for one side of my 4×8 cool grow tent 💪🌱
This guy is good, why the hell didn't i see this guy sooner
Good value is what I would call that.
Hell yeah brother! 🤙🤙🤙
What is the SF4000 'cheap' compared to?
Many of the high-quality LED fixtures are $1,000⬆, unfortunately.
nothing really of this quality, especially with the demable drivers
HLG?
How efficient are these ? Do they use alot of electric ?
Get a matte cover for that PAR meter. Great info as always, THANK YOU!!!!
So I want to grab 2 of these for my mother room. They say they can do a 6x6 for veg. Anyone have hands on experience using these for that? I am trying to light a 10x6 area for my mothers
It's full spectrum so yes ...
@@sz5971 spectrum has nothing to do with coverage
i have 3 in my room and a CMH 630w my room is kicking ass right now ;) great lights
and the issue with growth to fast i got that too and it made me go crazy trying to figure out what was making my stems go purple lol. could of used this video 5 weeks ago lol
Nice
Dont u think ur also seeing such a high par level with how close the light is too?
I'm measuring it where I feel it's most efficient overall. When you raise it up you lose a lot in the middle and gain little to nothing on the sides.
I feel ya i just also think tht close to actual plants will burn them unless your turning the dimmer way down which then its not very effective for growth
@@idabright503 the manual say Seedling = 24” Veg = 18”-24” Bloom = 12”-18”. Nothing about dimming. Justin ran numbers for 16” and 20” at all dim levels. I’m hoping he answers my question on usage in my 5x5.
Thanks for the information ✌️
Yep
@@Justintime2grow Your information is much appreciated,I’ll probably start at 24 inches,and leave it around 70 percent,for a. 4x4!Or like you said closer but dimmed a little more. I’m not using to that much Intensity. I’m sold on this one.I have a 4x4 that 5 fr 9 and can only have at about the five foot mark.Thanks again Justintimetogrow‼️👍
Feed the plant more by that u mean high c02?
no ,NPK , according too what stage your in, veg or flower, veg more cal mag , flower more nitrogen, there fore turn the lights up gradually in each faze, so the last two weeks of flower turn your lights to full intensity 🌱
More nourishment.
spider farmer SF4000 is considered as cheap amazon light? :D it's well reputable brand for it's quantum boards quality and price
They're a "cheap" version of a HLG. One of the cheapest you can get with such good components. So yeah, cheap amazon light category.
I have 2 newer sf2000 in my 4x4. I run a 6" fan on the drivers. My tent runs 3-4 degrees Fahrenheit cooler. Plants also love em. I.have to feed more often too compared to my old viparspectra 600s. I'll never go back to blurple!
How hot does it get in your tent with those 2 lights. I was gonna get a sf4000
@@shroomsopenminds3623 depends on the temperature of the room it's in & your air flow. Mine is generally no hotter than 84 average around 79
U think you could make a space bucket light special episode?
Probably not. I think those are a waste of time personally. Get a tent IMO.
@@Justintime2grow yeah figured that out too, would u recommend the Mars hydro ts 600?
Muchas gracias, por los subtitulos 😊.. Saludos desde Spain... 1x1y 2 metros de altura =spiders farmer SF-1000?..... Help
Si es bueno para ti
Take a sf 4000
Meter meter 😂🤣 love it great video 👍✌
Lol I laugh at that every time
It will be enough efficient to use it on 5 by 5 grow tent
I've been happy with mine
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