I have to say, the whole "AMD has bad drivers" has been one of the most successful smear campaigns implemented by the competition and people still eat it up. I have been an AMD user for about 5 years and have nothing but good things to say about them.
Same here. I went from a rx580 to a rxx5700xt to a rx6700xt. I will get a another AMD GPU at some point maybe when a game that would run better with a newer GPU. But until then I can run everything I play and with AFMF2 I can keep settings on high.
At least in my experience I'm using an amd laptop and the fps is low af and hot when playing game when I was young. Bought Nvidia laptop around same price and got higher fps and stable. I don't even know about the driver issue but that experience made me bought Nvidia for my PC.. No problem so far.
I had a 5600xt and spent more time on Reddit and google troubleshooting the black screens and crashes than actually playing. Then I switched to NVIDIA and have had zero issues with my gpu since
The only issue Amd have is a bug caused by microsoft deleting their drivers bs. Most people will blame Amd for anything going wrong in their pc. One suggestion I have is to refrain from updating with every driver release; only upgrade if you encounter an issue or if a new program or game requires the latest driver to function correctly.
Had that issue with my s.l.i rtx 2080 ti setup. Windows completely destroyed the ablility of to work at one point. Had to registery fix the automatic update off.
@@christopherbohling5719 Same reason more apps are better optimized for iOS than Android but Android still clears iOS any day of the week. Devs cater to the most popular.
I switched from NVIDIA to AMD this year and was incredibly surprised and impressed. I went through absolute hell on NVIDIA earlier this year on my Ada card and last year wasn't that great for them either. I'd say recently NVIDIA is borking drivers at AT LEAST 2-3x the rate of AMD. Normally, general stability issues and game issues you'd consider isolated cases unless the issue is widespread, but if one looks on the NVIDIA reddit, they'll clearly see NVIDIA is outright breaking features and not fixing them, not listing issues as known, and not even addressing them. My experience over a decade with NVIDIA was lousy, because I never bought their high-end hardware. I don't like looking back.
Another comment said this already but the bad driver stuff is almost definitely a smear campaign that has been extremely successful. Let's be real for a second here, the average user is terrible at troubleshooting issues and likely has no clue why they're having a specific problem. These (often self inflicted) problems then get blamed on bad AMD drivers by default even though they have nothing to do with it, because people are generally lazy and fall back on easy explanations for their problems. The same users then go to nvidia, and instead of blaming drivers when they have problems, blame the game devs, 'bad optimization', windows, etc. It's really just a mindworm that's taken control of too many people's brains.
You're making massive generalizations, which amount to little more than a strawman argument. I've been both gaming and messing around with computers in general for well over two decades. I understand computers and can effectively troubleshoot problems. I currently own a 5700XT, which I bought at launch. It's my second AMD GPU and will definitely be my last. I have had so, so many issues with their drivers, none of which have been "self inflicted". I have found only one set of drivers in all my time owning the card that _did_ have zero problems, but some newer games didn't run with them, so I had to "upgrade" to newer drivers several months back. The first set that I "upgraded" to caused driver timeouts in several games. Another set that I tried repeatedly set my refresh rate to 60HZ (144HZ monitor). The current drivers I'm using turns smart access memory on every time I boot up, which I don't want on as it causes hitching for me. In the process of trying to fix the issues, I discovered that many other people were having the exact same issues with the exact same sets of drivers. I get that some people have a smooth experience, but the fact is that it's essentially 'driver roulette' with AMD and I didn't pay hundreds of dollars for that. If the drivers are good for you, great. It's not a 'smear campaign', a 'mindworm' or just a bunch of idiots causing their own issues though and for you to suggest so is both arrogant and short-sighted.
@@thanekrios3211 Personally, I have a laptop with Ryzen 3 3250U, yes, very humble but it is what I could afford to study Systems Engineering. Well, 1 month and a half ago for 6 times in total I had driver problems under the exact same conditions: being in virtual classes of Microsoft Teams and with the Firefox browser open in the background, at any time in the middle of the class the screen went black for 2 seconds then returned to see the class but the brightness was at maximum and suddenly the AMD window appears indicating that the drivers were slow to respond. Interestingly, this problem always occurred in the same conditions (virtual classrooms in Microsoft Teams and Firefox browser open) and it was 6 times in total in a period of a month and a half. In the end, I backed up my personal files, reinstalled Windows 10 by formatting my SSD completely, installed the laptop drivers, also the 24.9.1 video and chipset drivers from the official AMD site and the problems were solved!!!
@@thanekrios3211 Personally, I have a laptop with Ryzen 3 3250U, yes, very humble but it is what I could afford to study Systems Engineering. Well, 1 month and a half ago for 6 times in total I had driver problems under the exact same conditions: being in Microsoft Teams virtual classes and with the Firefox browser open in the background, at any time during class the screen would go black for 2 seconds then returned to see the class but the brightness was at maximum and suddenly the AMD window appears indicating that the drivers were slow to respond. Interestingly, this problem always occurred in the same conditions (virtual classrooms in Microsoft Teams and Firefox browser open) and it was 6 times in total in a period of a month and a half. In the end, I backed up my personal files, reinstalled Windows 10 by formatting my SSD completely, installed the laptop drivers, also the 24.9.1 video and chipset drivers from the official AMD site and the problems were solved!!! In my gut, I am 100% that these problems are due to Windows + my shenanigans on the system to optimize it.
I remember when cs2 was crashing but people said no the game is broken but a little detail on your crosshair that you can remove with shift+tab now don't buy AMD card 😂
@@thanekrios3211 you literally have the singular buggiest gpu in recent times. for comparison, the rtx 3000 series had more driver issues than the rx 6000.
Because time has shown, that nowadays many releases are rushed and cripple systems until another fix comes in, or brick whole systems for good. Or gets you banned in some games by mistake with new tech. So better be sure and wait until it's clear to go
@@ysnyldrm73 When I had a 6700 xt I always updated as fast as I could and sometimes I had to go back using DDU. Maybe in the end amd drivers are not as stable as "they" claim. I don't understand why I should fear a driver update...
I have two PCs, one in my office desktop with an rx 6950 xt i dual boot Linux and win11 its been running fine for more than 2 years. i never update the drivers until i hear they're stable and have never had any trouble with. My second pc is on my living room and it has an rtx 4080 and i do the same, never update drivers until a game ask for it and i check reviews to see if they're stable, never had any problems. I think both brands mess up some times but in general they're both great. You should read news and driver reviews or wait/skip months. The only real recommendation is that if you run Linux amd is better, if you want ray tracing/dlss or you work with 3d or video software use Nvidia.
Been on AMD GPU's for a few years here as well. No issues I can really think of. I play a number of games over the years and for the most part I cannot complain. People are full of BS.
History: Nvidia was unusable garbage all through dx9 because their cards were designed bad. They exclusively sold them via TECH DEMOS like DAWN, while cards like the FX could not run games. This changed with dx10. Not only was Nvidia faster, but AMD bought ATI and screwed up driver quality. AMD did not have acceptable performance until the R9 290X. But nobody would give it credit. Nvidia has used brainwashing techniques the entire time and ruined the process. Nvidia LIED so hard about freesync they renamed their support to Gsync, because they TRAUMATIZED their users. You immediately quit seeing hit piece articles after Nvidia changed their support. High prices are also part of the tactics. This is called SUNK COST FALLACY, because people paid so much they must mentally justify falling for a scam. These fanboys must justify why they bought a 8GB 4060 over a 16GB 7800, so they whine about DLSS, which is completely irrelevant to AMD users who can run games at native resolution. Nvidia has abused their customers so bad, they have STOCKHOLM SYNDROME. They can't accept reality. If you think Nvidia fanboys are crazy, YOU'RE ACTUALLY RIGHT, they're mentally ill, and Nvidia did this to them.
@@JohnDoe-ip3oqto some extent yes. Average Nvidia customer got no clue about Radeon and most likely don’t know how to keep you PC up to date with bios, chipset and Windows updates.
At present, I'm having my first issue after just over 2 years of usage, and the issue is that adrenalin doesn't always load after putting my pc on sleep. Never had that before. Edit: I have a 6950xt.
@AutisticViking83 I get kind the same issues I was hinting at with my all amd laptops. Adrenaline doesn't even show up anywhere on my computer at all. Idk why I never figured out the reason after over 3 years of using these laptops. I usually just need to restart, and there it is. Now, with my all AMD desktop, I built myself, I have never had these issues after a year of use. I have not ever been able to find a fix other than just a simple restart. Idk if it's the drivers or maybe just some manufacturers' apps that are installed or what. It's a very strange thing that I have encountered on two different laptops from different manufacturers. I have laptops with AMD cpus and Nvidia GPUs, and this has never happened with the GeForce software. Honestly, the 6 or 7 plus laptops I have had that have used Nivida GPUs, i have never had a single issue. Maybe a crash now and then, but that is my own fault.
@bumbaclot813 Like you, I have to restart for it to get to load up. As for it showing, I can see it on my search and that little box at the bottom right of windows when you click that up arrow every time but again it doesn't always load from anywhere even as administrator
I’ve been very intermittent in PC gaming. My first then-ATI card was an ASUS AX800 Pro some 20 years ago. No problems with drivers. My next stint in PC gaming I went through a 3870, 3870X2, 4850, 4870X2, and a pair of 5870s in crossfire. This spanned the years 2007-2010. No problems with drivers. The pandemic inclined me to re-enter PC gaming beginning with an AMD 6600XT, progressing to a 6900XT, 7900XTX, with a 6750XT and 7800XT for a mini-ITX build I tote around on road trips. No problems with drivers. What I do notice is there are always problems with everything else. Most particularly with Windows, but also having to learn that you have to wipe Nvidia drivers with DDU otherwise Nvidia leaves fragments of their own drivers that screw up AMD drivers. Some of the issues are so bad it’s hard to believe they are anything but purposefully anticompetitive in nature.
i bought a used 6700xt (ASUS Dual non-OC, specifically) in late 2022 and haven't had a single crash. so i never understood the "AMD DRIVERS BAD" argument
I have an 6700XT Asus Dual OC, also purchased in 2022. Initially i hated it because it would do the full blackscreen crash 20 times a day. It would mainly do this while I was browsing the net, watching a youtube video then switching between tabs. This annoyed me to no end. *AND THEN* I upgraded to a new system with windows 11 and that particular problem went away. What did hurt me more than AMDs drivers though was around the same time I upgraded to a new machine. I also purchased a 7800XT Nitro+ for an extremely good price to go along with it. It died on me in less than three weeks and the retailer would only offer me a refund instead of a replacement. I didnt want to buy it again as the price had bounced back up again to its regular price. The difference between the price I paid and the regular price was around $300. So that retailer lost a sale and a customer. going knocked back to the 6700XT was a bitter reality to accept after seeing and experiencing how much more smoother games were with the 7800XT.
When you paid 2000 bucks for a 4090, or worse, have been scalped buying a 3090/ti for 4000+, you NEED the competition to be crap, because otherwise you "wasted" your money. And only fools waste their money.
Because you do not understand where the problem lies. It is not the stability that is an issue but compatibility. There is a lot more software that just does not work properly with AMD, DaVinci Resolve has been a good example especially last year 2023 was problematic. And the beginning of this year AMD had truly bad drivers.
@@jarnovilen5259 I haven’t face any problem with and drivers yet… I think problematic when Intel paid Dell to utilize Intel CPU exclusively. Or as of right now, Intel and Nvidia are paying MSI to stop producing products for AMD, such as high-end GPU versions or itx boards. In addition, Nvidia has been shown to overcharge clients that choose to purchase any AMD AI solution rather than standing in line during shortage of nvidia ai products.
AMD recommends BALANCED power plan for the CPU and, even if it is counter intuitive, I verified it is the most performing power plan on AMD CPUs. Also, do not use afterburner but use the driver included performance feature that lets you raise the power limit (you can save the profile and reload it after a driver upgrade to reapply the changes) and show performance overlay with correct data for latencies and frame gen. Edit: don't forget to install the latest AMD chipset drivers too! They are NEEDED and resolve a bunch of problems of the windows default chipset drivers (stuttering, black screens etc.).
I've been using AMD since 2021 on multiple different PCs and cards, and never had any problem, except when using preview drivers. And I always update, although usually I skip preview drivers and such.
The main reason, I went with a AMD 7900 XT when they launched was the fact the Linux Mesa drivers are far superior than the Windows one. I still have some issues with Windows ones, specially OpenGL. AMD always had a issues with it, I remember not getting greatest performance on my HD 7870. Now looking back I'm happy to have went with a 7900 XT
I've had an AMD card for the last 5 or so years, I had an XFX RX 570, followed by a short stint with iNvidia on the 1660 super, then RX 6600 and decided on a very dumb incremental upgrade to the 6650XT. I had driver issues during that entire time, many crashes, even currently I had issues with the radeon replay not working and driver timeouts. However, are these issues enough to make the cards a bad value? Well, no, especially when you're a budget gamer like me. I don't know how it is on the iNvidia side but I do plan to find out, I think I'll get the 5060 when it comes out.
My first PC with a dedicated graphics card was an MSI 1050 TI and I had all sorts of driver problems up to needing to reinstall windows on my primary drive and needing to reinstall Linux on my secondary drive. In 2019 I picked up a Sapphire 5700 XT and I’ve had no problems running it with a 3800X or 5950X while having everything including the RAM overclocked to unreasonably barely safe system. Unlike the Nvidia instructions, the option to do things manually works just as well as the more automated version when it comes to AMD.
I have been using a full AMD system since 2014 until now and I always consistently update the driver directly if a new one is available and I never downgrade to an older version after that. But in terms of personal use I have never experienced various problems that other people experience such as Driver Crash and others. But yes I often see my friends experiencing these problems. Is it possible that I am just lucky?
Thanks for the video. I'm still on Nvidia since I have friends and relatives that had multiple AMD cards and always had issues with drivers (properly installed drivers btw). I'm hoping RDNA 4 will be good, I might consider getting an 8800 XT if they can fix the driver issues.
I mainly have used Nvidia gpus over the past ~30yrs but used a number of ATI / Radeon gpus as well. I’ve experienced literally only a couple of minor issues with Nvidia drivers and no Radeon driver issues (85% Nvidia GPU user during ~30 years) and the vast majority is gaming and only recent years some production work. My 2 issues were game stability issues in 2 different games about 10 years ago. Nothing recently from either Nvidia or Radeon. No gaming or productivity issues!
Right before the 7000 series was released, my GTX 1070 died. I replaced it was a sapphire RX 6900 XT Toxic. The ONLY issue i had was since I couldn't uninstall the nvidia drivers first, my monitors flicked on and off until I managed a complete uninstall, reboot, and full install of radeon drivers. After that, no issues. Games have run flawless at 1440p, it handles dual monitors without issue, and I love the control panel. It's definitely easier to navigate and turn features on and off where I felt like I had to dig around to find and turn on features (like adaptive sync) with the Nvidia drivers. Now I love both, rarely had in game or desktop issues with either.
Switched from Nvidia to AMD about a year and a half ago. I swapped my 3080 for a 7900xt, because my 3080 was a buggy mess. Every other update, I would get crashes, stutters. Massive fps drops that turned games into slide shows, or other random problems. On the other hand my 7900xt has been awesome. I haven't had any issues with it.
@@aria.e I don't think so. I've owned several Nvidia gpu's and none of them gave me problems. It could have been that my 3080 was a lemon, which can happen regardless what brand you buy. It wouldn't stop me from buying a Nvidia gpu in the future either. It's just that AMD presented the better option. The 7900xt performs close to a 4080 with more vram and cost almost $700 Cdn less at the time I bought it.
In AMD website you can see the Fixed and Known issues in every version they have it under the release notes but those issues are rare and specific issues
Most of my graphical issues have actually been windows related. I've owned an rtx 2080 ti system with windows 10, and after owning that for 5 years, i bought a an entirely new system with AMD CPU and GPU (RX 6800 XT), in preparation to switch to Linux, i used that with windows 11 for 6 months-ish, while i looked at Linux videos to prepare for the switch (this was around the time when Copilot and Recall were first announced), and the problems i had with the RTX, i also had with the AMD... Anti-Aliasing looked awful, no matter what technique i chose, everything was blurry and crap, tons of stutter, etc etc... This was on BOTH systems, entire different computers, one running win10, the other running win11. Then i switch to Linux on the AMD system, and suddenly my games run, stutter-free, and anti-aliasing looks sharp and beautiful AF. That's when i realized, it's actually windows that are producing these issues, it's not a graphics card problem at all! xD The only problem i had with AMD, on Windows, was that Skyrim's FPS is unlocked by default (And skyrim gets REALLY buggy with unlocked FPS), and i couldn't figure out how to lock the fps at it's intended 60 fps to keep the game stable... Which is again, not a problem in Linux, lmao. Windows is just not the operating system for gaming, anymore... since windows 7, each new windows, and update for windows, has done nothing but reduce gaming performance bit by bit, and ruined graphical fidelity, bit by bit, over the years... It's at a point now where gaming on windows is just an awful experience, overall. : ( However, i will not be caught dead, having Recall, on my computer, i am NOT about to willingly allow my PC to carry a honeypot that makes me a target for hackers, dude... That log that recall maintains (That allows copilot to know what info is connected to what screenshot, that keeps going even if screenshotting is disabled), is the biggest cybersecurity disaster in human history! >_>
I don't really agree with you saying unusable AMD drivers is a thing of the long gone past. The 5700 XT had major issues for a long time, I had to use the launch drivers for many months if I wanted to play my go to online game of choice (World of Warships). 5700 XT is of course not a new card, but in terms of performance it's still quite relevant in almost all games. It's by far the worst I've experienced driver wise from any card, and I've been using AMD and Nvidia cards from the ancient HD5570 and gt210 onwards. Other than that, I had some minor issues with my 6750 XT, it simply can't do VRR without things getting buggy, I tried a few different drivers but eventually gave up as it's not the end of the world. Can't really remember any specific Nvidia driver issues right now but I'm sure I've had minor ones in the past at some point.
I had an amd 6700xt and I also got some issues with VRR, I also had some minor issues, it wasn't bad but on average I've always had a better experience with nvidia. Another thing is that amd drivers are usually released some days or even weeks after a major game launch, so if you play on day one or near that date you CAN have some issues like stutters, crashes or less performance that what expected, on the other hand it's not rare to get 2 or 3 drivers update in the same month with nvidia. I also noticed that often the "known issues" remain in the list for months, even when they say that a problem has been fixed it is not always true, nvidia is not transparent in communication but amd sometimes lies shamelessly.
5700xt issues were fixed by 2020. I still use one, best bang for buck used gpu. Id say Amd has maybe 2x (100% more) driver issues than Nvidia. A lot of it is related to that games optimize and fix for Nvidia more. But its not really a big issue, as it means having 2 problems instead of 1 in like a month.
I've not had Driver issues since my 1Ghz Celeron / Radeon 7200 32MB SDR AGP and my other system with a Athlon XP 2200+ (KT266A) and Radeon 8500 64MB DDR AGP. Both were on Windows XP. Those issues were resolved after a driver update.
I've only had an issue after installing the drivers from around the June/July driver release, Windows would freeze a few seconds after booting up. I had to try several things through a process of elimination, that's on top of applying every suggestion I could find online. Whether that was reinstalling chipset drivers, reinstalling Windows, using an old version of the drivers or even physically reinstallimg the GPU itself. None of those worked, for weeks I grew frustrated to the point that I contemplated picking out my old GTX 1050 from its box. Eventually I found out that the freeze might have been caused by changing the refresh rate from 59.94 to 60 hertz, since then I've had no problems. That's so strange how such a small thing can bring down the drivers somehow, but I've not had any recorded problems with the drivers ever since, my RX 6700 soldiers on.
I switched from NVIDIA to AMD when the 7900xtx released it was a real upgrade from my gtx 1080 and the transition was simless, I ofcourse used DDU to delete all the nvidia drivers from my system and then downloaded AMD drivers and didn't get any problem out of the ordinary and none coming explicitely from my GPU
Well , the best thing of the new Drivers for my 6800XT is that they got AFMF2 which allows me to have 144 or 165 FPS in 1440p with only 130-160 Watts with Chill aktivated and locked to 72 or 83 FPS ua-cam.com/video/HiJCHSavP7Y/v-deo.html ( Jedi Fallen Order ) . For Simulations like City Skylines 1 which are usually CPU limited you can use AFMF2 to push the FPS over 100 and get a high refresh Rate experience ua-cam.com/video/THZb-79pi4I/v-deo.html Frame Generation is an Feature which did not exist for the 6800XT at the Time i buyed it , AMD gave it to me for free in the New Drivers , and NV ? you had to buy the RTX 4xxx Cards to get it and even then only in Games which supported Frame Generation while AMD supports it with any DX10/11/12 and Vulcan Game ( driver based ) I edited the Power Curve of my 6800XT and adjusted it to the Quality of the GPU on it with a Tool called MorePowerTool , i used it for less Power = undervolting , thats why you can see a pretty low Power consumption despite full 6800XT Performance
Great video! This must have taken MONTHS to research. I have used AMD and nVidia GPUs since the early 2000s. I had VERY FEW issues with either. This is because my habit is, when I find a stable driver, I LEAVE IT ALONE. It it's not broken, I don't mess with it. This has proven VERY effective at minimizing problems.
my problem with Radeon is not the stability, 95% of the time people have game crashes and BSODs/Black screens.... they did not validate their ram stability properly and rather than doing actual troubleshooting as they would with a Nvidia card, they skipped straight to whipping boy MUH AMD. A faster videocard can push pre existing weak links over the edge. My problem with Radeon is every generation of RDNA is just awful for set ups with triple display at over 1080p/60hz, they utterly cook the room. That's what's kept me with Nvidia for the last 4 years.
that could be true but the thing is, why so many people only have issues using amd gpus? Obviously amd drivers are different from nvidia ones ( i'm not saying they are worse, just programmed differently). for example, if the problem in the pc is the ram, why often these problems appear only when using amd gpu? it does not depend only on a more powerful gpu (also because the problems disappear by returning to nvidia regardless of the gpu used) if the whole pc remains the same. Probably the amd drivers are more "sensitive" or sometimes they are released in a hurry, this in a certain sense indicates a worse quality. I think that many people want a pc that is able to work without analyzing every piece of hardware or software. in my case i had some instability every now and then with an rx 6700 xt or other always present problems (like the screen flickering when freesync was active), now with the same configuration but with an rtx 3080 these problems are no longer there (the same monitor is also gsync compatible). I did a lot of troubleshooting but I use my pc both for my computer engineering degree and for gaming so I just want a pc that I can rely on.
@@emanuelefusco4466my home pc over the years has a gt 210, gtx 750 and a rx 570 while keeping with its i5 3570 and 8gb of ddr3 ram clocked at 1333 mhz Never had any driver problem except for that time i forgot to restart the pc after a driver update My laptop with its rtx 2050 has screen and restart problems. After some troubleshooting, its 2nd ram stick is dying If, people have such a bad bias against AMD. They better admit they have it rather than pretending AMD's the culprit
@@3dcomrade That could be said even about you, If you don't have an issue, it doens't mean other people don't have it. I'm not saying nvidia is perfect or that amd is bad, in fact I just buy what I find cheaper. Different people have different hardware configurations and use their pc for different things. Also I'm speaking about what you can read on forums about gpus so it's not really a "bias", it's more like who asks more help online, considering that amd has around 12% marketshare finding a lot of open threads about amd it's not a good thing. Edit: in my experience with amd I just had minor issues (rarely), aside from the freesync issue but that could also be the monitor's fault (strangely it works with gsync) so I'm NOT an amd hater.
These people who want computers to just work are filling steam forums with crush reports for the whole last year, because of XMP, 13xxx/14xxx, and nvidia gpus hotspot temperatures. But because thay use hardware without AMD's negative reputation they blame gamea first. AMD have such negative reputation, so people being weary often blaming AMD first. There were times when AMD drivers were often not good, but right now, they're pretty decent.
At first, I was worried about the outcome because drivers often react to changes in Windows. I expected you to encounter old drivers that wouldn't work with the latest Windows 11 revision. In the end, it turned out well, and I definitely remember drivers where I had to change the FreeSync settings due to UA-cam videos freezing. If you don't play the latest games, I would almost recommend using PRO drivers. Regarding instability, people often have, in their opinion, stable overclocked processors or RAM, and it works well on an old graphics card because the bottleneck was the card. As soon as they buy a new card, the processor suddenly has a much higher load, and the previously stable overclocking is no longer so stable.
I have been using an XTX card since day one, and although I haven't been testing driver reliability, I have not encountered any difficulty in all that time.
I never had issues with the drivers per se, but the Adrenalin Edition Application was problematic for me more than I would have liked. I did eventually pull my 7900XTX and switch back to NV after two years.
Nice video. I've been on AMD for my last two cards, 5 years, with in issues. The Adrenalin software is so easy to use for undervolting and overclocking. I like your advice to just get the GPU that's best for your use case and budget.
…… bought an AMD prebuilt system (intel cpu) in December 2020. 6 months later I built my own pc with a 5900x and 6900xt. No issues the entire time EXCEPT for my gpu, it’s an ASUS oc tuf model and required a vbios update from ASUS- took me a while to figure that one out. Aside from that? I’ve had no issues with drivers or stability. As a matter of fact, I’m using AFMF2 with fsr2.1 in cyberpunk 2077 with all ray tracing turned on (excluding path tracing) I’m getting 60-90 fps- dlc dogtown area tanks it to 50 on occasion. LOVE THIS THING and the product.
Literally swtiched from NVIDIA to AMD to NVIDIA to AMD again all in the span of 7 months never had issues with AMD Drivers. Why? Use DDU (With Safe mode on). LITERALLY THAT. I recommended my friend that uses 1660Ti to switch to a 6700xt, at first he had fps drops on League of Legends of all games, I told him to redo the DDU and do it on safe mode and now his games are doing great. AMD drivers aren't perfect but if you do not uninstall your Nvidia drivers properly (or intel) you're gonna have issues AMD after an unproper cleaning of Nvidia drivers. It's obvious people aren't doing their works and just keep yapping about it being bad instead of doing proper cleaning of their previous graphics drivers.
great video, my only problems with my AMD GPU is the league of legends replay system crashing, since it's the only thing borked I can safely assume the fault lies with Riot Games instead of AMD and Ready or Not being laggy as fuck, which the whole community complains about, other than that my ride with my RX 6700 XT is smooth sailing ever since I got it
In 2022 the drivers overclocked the Ryzen CPUs in UEFI when the Ryzen Master SDK was installed too and a profile for the GPU was loaded… I remembered this news and found it again.
been using an all amd pc for over 2 years now and haven't had any issues that i see other people have like bsod or driver timeouts. ive had issues with relive not working but that hasnt been an issue in a long time
I had both AMD Radeon and NVIDIA cards. To be honest I'm not biased towards either one. All I care about nowadays is whichever card has high end card that can support a GPU block for custom water cooling for My gaming PC
Ive been using primarily AMD gpus in my personal computer for the last 20 years. On the rare occasion there is a problem with a driver release, for a specific aplication. To contrast that however, I put an Nvidia 2080 in our VR computer when i built it a few years ago and regularly have issues with the drivers. To the point where it becomes useless and I end up rolling back the drivers, some times multiple releases.
Been using a radeon 6800 for a year now without any major issues. However, i did realize that i barely used any features in the radeon app so i did a clean install for the minimal drivers (without the control pannel) and it's been a solid experience still. i'm not a fan of FSR because i genuinely think it looks bad compared to DLSS and i hate framegen technology because fake frames don't fix poor performance. you're playing at 120fps but with a much higher latency than a native 120fps would have.
Ìf 20% of the released drivers doesn't pass the "test" then i would call the terrible results. Jan / Feb unstable drivers mean people had over 2 months unstable driver, to me this is unacceptable.
it happens on the nvidia side as well though. they just have different stability issues. nvidia fans don't talk about the problems they have because they prefer to blame developpers
The amd issue was legacy stuff with the old catalyst drivers...and especially on linux amd is very solid...if you are primarily a linux user, amd is the only way to go...this is easy to verify...but for most irrelevant.
Amd drivers and its features can be broken by random unexpected Windows updates. one day it could be fine, the next day broken by a windows update. its frustrating, but it is recommended to turn off auto windows updates. Alternatively, you can wait for a new amd driver is out before updating ur windows followed by updating your amd drivers. AMD cleanup utility is also recommended over DDU for users who are less tech savvy.
this sounds to me there is totally different reason for your issues.. like are memory compatible with motherboard, windows issue, psu issue (this i have experienced my self) test the card on a different pc or start changing out parts
@@lanceislateagain I didn't play a lot of old titles, but games like Portal, Half Life, Warhammer 40K series from mid 2000's, older Battlefield games worked without any issues for me. Can't speak for every single game out there though.
Stutters on some dx 11 games compared to nvidia due to shader compiling being much slower on amd. Stutters do go away after playing for a while. dx 12 and vulkab on amd is better than nvidia.
I am usually the guy my friends go to when they have issues, that plus also helping people in the tech support subreddit. My personal experience has been this: Almost every time someone complains about having unstability with AMD cards (also Nvidia, but we are going with AMD for this) the issue isn't the card itself but another component or bad installation from the user: -Using crappy HDMI or Displayport cables that are giving some feedback to the graphics card that heats it up quite a bit or causing crashes (I was surprised to find out that was possible). -Daisy chaining power cables when it was not convenient (e.g. using a single daisy chained power cable for a card requiring more than 300W, causing it to be power starved and crashing the PSU during power spikes since a single cable doesn't support more than 300W). -Bad mouting on the PCIe port. -Poor case airflow, heating up all components. -Bad or underpowered power supplies. -People installing wrong OS drivers. I have had 4 Nvidia and 5 AMD graphics cards in the last 17 years. I haven't seen any difference in stability in regular gaming. For Nvidia I have seen more unstability when using extra features of the platform, at least until 2019, which was the last time I used an Nvidia card. For the last 5 years I have used exclusively AMD cards, and the only issue I have had was during February of 2024 with a driver that caused Fluid Motion Frames to work worse than in the previous driver. Then again, that was a feature that had been just released.
I am sorry to tell you that 7000 series GPU have a problem with all 24.x.x drivers. Mainly in idle or low power tasks due to the agressive power saving that has the GPU run around 60mV. There are a ton of complains about this on the forums and AMD does not care.
I am sure that the majority of people here are the latest card as soon as possible so my comment might make you not care but for me the biggest problem with AMD is the lack of driver support for still good cards but a little older.
I had alot of AMD graphics cards, and drivers can glich, when you messing with monitors to much (Disconnecting , changing models , swapping etc.) while pc is running. The only glich is that control panel cant show up, when you want to... But I love Radeons. Amazing raster performance.
For me the only major issues on my RX 480 have been lost optimizations such as the DirectX 9 version of Unreal Engine 3 games; for example, since 17.7.2 game such as Unreal Tournament 3, Heroes of Might and Magic 7, etc. have been performing extremely bad and low IPC CPUs such as i7 870 and FX 8350.
I've had a smooth experience with my 6700 XT so far, but the Adrenaline's settings retention is a major disappointment. It consistently forgets my fan curve and voltage settings, requiring me to reconfigure them manually.
I am using a rx7900xtx the last couple of years. So far any buggy drivers were fixable with a DDU clear. But I not once had to do this with my 1080ti. Regardless I am happy with this GPU.
over the past few years i have had RX 5700XT, RX 6800, RX 7800XT, RX 7900GRE as well as GTX 1660TI, RTX 3070, RTX 4070 and RTX 4070 Super and i never had major issues with AMD other than one driver where the AMD Relive would have a memory leak but have since been fixed as far as im aware (im currently using 7900 GRE). As for Nvidia they were all also good other than Shadowplay been buggy which made me use a different application to record all together
@zaylo6941 if u do plan on streaming or do some video editing the RTX 4070 Super does the job better and does have generally better upscaling (DLSS) if u do plan on using it, the main advantage the 7900GRE has over 4070 Super if they are on the same price is the Vram difference. U cant go wrpng on either of them if u are just gonna game and i heard abt FSR4 coming out soon with AI upscaling which is the same with DLSS which could potentially rival the quality of DLSS so im excited for that
@@noblegaming7296 which one would u say i should get. right now 4070super is on sale cheaper than 7900gre. i dont mind upscaling stuff. i do VR gaming and some normal competitive gaming fortnite,cod.valorant etc.. which card has the best perfomance at 1440p no upscaling?? i do play some RT games too like wukong. currently i have 4060ti 8gb and want a more future proof card and i am leaning more towards amd cos of more vram and better oc capability.
Running a RX7900XTX for a year now. The only issue I had is with Adrenalin Video recording tool, that crashed a couple of time and I think it was with 24.8.1. I haven't that tested with the latest drivers.
First of all I used Ati and nVidia cards from 2001 so I am an old timer in GPUs. But in the last 6 years I had an RX 5700 XT which was a mess. After I went with nVidia I bought an RTX 3070 which was much better compared to the RX 5700 XT. I used the RX 5700 XT about 1.5 years and I experienced major driver related issues like sudden black screeens and bad stability etc. with nVidia I have no issues at all. Later I gave another try to AMD with a RX 6900 XT (I still have it it was a beast of a card) and I didn't experience any driver related issues and now I use an RTX 4080 and that is also rock solid since 2023 March. I think both vendors' have problems time to time with drivers and back to my old experiences with ATI and nVidia cards from the 2000's the drivers evolved a lot. Nowdays drivers are not as bad as they were back then. I am 35 and when somebody says "unstable" drivers I would say to them go back to the early 2000's and you will appriciate today's great driver support.
literally went from a gtx 1660 to a RTX 3060 back to the gtx 1660 (unhappy with how much I paid for said 3060, so I returned it) and just a couple days ago, 7800xt red devil by powercolor arrived on my doorstep. only problem I have actually had is, crashes when closing games (not a big deal at all, just annoying to see, probably from my platform being outdated) and also cant use portrait mode anymore on my secondary display. (im blaming windows for this, but basically when I go to portrait mode, the hitbox for the mouse is 90* off, so I can only use half the monitor and my mouse is completely incorrectly placed and oriented. no I wont reinstall windows. too much of a hassle to be worth it. yes I have DDU wiped.)
I've been rocking a rx6700 zt red devil for the last year I have zero issues and is a good 1440p gpu even under heavy load never goes over 50c looking at upgrading now to the 7900gre
I had few problems with my old build, i7 7700k and rx 7600. Since upgrading cpu to r5 7600 i havent had any driver issues. So i wonder whether these issues are from pcie3 or generally having older components.
Sounds like they've improved. I guess they finally got the message. They've been problematic since ati. I reported a bug with Polaris, isolated it to the exact version and proved it by replacing a specific dll with the older one. I forgot all about it until about 2 years later I got an email that someone replied to the thread. "why isn't this fixed?" As far as I know, it never was.
whats your experience using an amd gpu for blender? ive seen a lot of tests saying that nvidia gpus are much better for such tasks, but ive been looking at getting the 7900xt, which i would use for modelling and rendering, using blender. otherwise my option would be to get a used 4080 or something
Turn RivaTuner off globally (first option: Global) because it should not be on for nearly everything, and manually put in all the games (or other apps) you actually need it for. Like Afterburner, you can back up the files (directly from Program Files, where it's installed) so you don't have to repeat that process across PCs or installs of Windows. Riva will also cause crashes for games it doesn't agree with, like Forza Horizon 5. It also used to cause issues with RDR2 but I haven't seen that in a couple years and that was on NVIDIA. On a separate note, AMD has Frame Rate Target Control (FRTC) which is a global limiter. It is in Gaming --> Graphics. Some people complain AMD drivers will overshoot the hell out of frames in some parts of games, at launch, etc. You can globally set FRTC to at or below (or even above) your refresh rate to avoid this and it does not conflict with your choice of Anti-lag or Chill on a game-by-game basis. AMD warns it can cause input lag, but I've never seen that happen. Just be sure to turn it off if you bench.
According to Fr33thy's and a bunch of other reviewers' tests FRTC is prone to induce additional input lag compared to either in-game limiters and RTSS. It is still better than relying on V-sync buffering, so there is that.
@@lePurpleDragon I didn't fail to do so, in fact, I'm responding to you because of that last sentence. Reviewers with actual on-screen latency tools have checked FRTC for input lag and found plenty.
i have Nvidia graphics card and ever since i switched platform from Intel to AMD i started having little issues with it. I did clean install of Windows, at first there was a bug, when you turn on PC, enter your password, screen turns off for 2 seconds and then turns on again and works normal. After i reinstalled drivers with DDU this issue got fixed but another problem i have i still there, when PC is idle or has a low load on a gpu (like web browsing) i have driver crash or something, in system logs it's called nvlddmkm 14/153, so screen turns off and there's like driver crash or something, then it fixes itself and works normally. Happens not often but it does.
About Davinci resolve crashing with riva tunner open, most of the times is by the service (process) "nahimic service" (windows>services>nahimic service), disable it while you’re editing, I have that same problem months after discover this, just mi experience, hope work for you.
I have an RX 6600 in my second rig and the card runs really well. No driver issues either, so far. But Adrenalin keeps pissing me off so badly. Each time I continue a game after pausing it by pressing any controller button to exit the menu, Adrenalin minimizes the game and pops up in the foreground and I have to close it to continue playing. Its so frickin annoying. I already disabled hotkeys, but it still keeps happening. Does anyone know how to prevent this?
I have used my pc for 5 years 0 windows reinstall. First GPU was 5700xt and I don't know why but sometimes was just a black screen (card was overclocked but black screen sometimes happened just browsing) and after 2 or 3 months that disappeared. A year ago I bought a 7800xt and I encountered one problem a couple of times tuning setting reset to default.
I have had three AMD GPUs and have had no issues. I have a rx580, then a rx5700xt but I wanted 1440p card for gaming so I got a rx6700xt and with AFMF2 I'm good with what I have.
The biggest issue I've seen with AMD cards is that they get very unstable when they get hot, or at least it seems that way. My brother had a 5700XT and it would crash after extended gaming sessions despite his case having very good airflow (Cooler Master TD500 tri-fan). HWMonitor reported hot spot temps on the card at 95+ celsius though. My friend currently has a 6650XT and similar issues, though his case has pretty bad airflow due to no intake fans. But his GPU temps only got to around 75C before a crash would happen, and some games like Dishonored 2 crash constantly (I play it regularly and have very infrequent issues with crashing). If anyone has any corrections or suggestions for how to solve these issues that'd be great, my brother now has a 7900XT and it works fine for him but my friend still struggles with his 6650XT.
I had the pleasure to fight with bad nvidia driver the other day, the latest driver wouldn't launch steam for some unknown reason, and the 1st time i tried installing it the PC blue screened mid install (never seen that before nor since, running on a 750Ti). I also had to deal with them randomly crashing ~3 years ago with a gtx 960. I also have had issues with AMD drivers. Minecraft with forge on particular versions wouldn't launch properly (there were workarounds) among other smaller glitches. There is 1 game that is broken on RDNA based cards, I fault the game devs actually, since it seems to have been broken since launch.
Just got a 7900xtx (mercury speedster blah blah) and it was spiking causing crashes, strange artifacting, etc. All this rigmarole to lower the mhz to compensate, drivers supposedly didn’t fix things; people throwing their card against the wall basically. DDU in safe mode, current and clean chipset/gpu drivers, update bios and wouldn’t you know it, the thing runs great at its stock 3100mhz now. User error on my end. Point being this was the first AMD card out of a few now that had “issues” and all it required was not being lazy and just shoving a new card in there and expecting the drivers to magically work. Which is a testament to the previous AMD cards working flawlessly under such neglected conditions.
on 24.6.1 or adjacent there was a massive stutter problem for fortnite, which wouild qualify them as unstable and 24.8.1 had broken global illumination in wukong other than that i can't remember any big problems, but i can tell for certain, that AMD likes good and stable power, i had TT smart 650W PSU and it would crash for exmaple in ZZZ or Control with RT enabled (withing 15s) with RT off i managed to play 5-6 hours until drivers crashed due to "removing GPU" also i feel like people change brands and never even consider reinstalling windows nor doing proper DDU, and when problems appear, it's AMD fault, ofc they have their quirks and are easier to break, but i have had HD 7000, RX 500, and now RX 6000, and i've barely had any problems with those in casual day to day use and gaming
Not sure where this info comes from; I have two amd cards in my PC's ( a workstation and a gaming pc) a.nd the drivers are rock solid -- have been for several years ????
This is an old urban legend that goes all the way back to the 2000s and has been carried. Both Nvidia & AMD have had their good drivers and their bad drivers at different times. I have been using AMd for a long time but I also use nvidia in my secondary PC. I wouldn't consider this when deciding which GPU to buy, it's a small thing that is rare and there are always other drivers you can use if the most current don't work- that goes for both brands. I've mostly used AMD and I've had mostly great experiences. I do like the AMD catalyst control center much more than Nvidida's but that's probably just because I'm more familiar with it- so bias in that case.
Never had major issues with my AMD cards (even in Linux). Had more than a few on my last Nvidia GTX 1070 though. The biggest issue is resizing of game windows (trying to use 1080p on a 4k TV).
@@ginn1902Nvidia dominance is based on the fact that they have implementations for all major softwares (engineering, industrial etc…). The problem is not drivers but the fact that AMD has no Cuda implementation counterpart. Nvidia dominance is a fact but it’s for a different reason.
@@brunojr9 well, any company has to start at a point, Nvidia in the past was as lousy as AMD, they didn't founded by a royalty or any multi-millionaire, so their CUDA "moat" didn't bestowed upon them by anyone, they had to work to do it. So AMD should do the same. And honestly like 70-80% of Nvidia customers did try AMD's products for once, we are not all rich AF anyway, but the experience of that try was horrible, so we have to switch to Nvidia for good. If AMD did a great job, you would see the same effect of Samsung and Huawei in mobile market, but nah, you don't see that result in vga market at all. The only complaint about Nvidia vga is mainly "They are too expensive", that's all.
I'm not much of a fan of anything but stable and sufficiently powerful hardware regardless of brand, and I've had my round of curses with AMD drivers using RX 7800 XT. It hasn't lead me to say the card is garbage and AMD Adrenalin is useless yet, but once you start getting driver timeout crashes for no apparent reason, anger comes into play. For me it has mostly been with Helldivers 2, and my main issue was that these problems had already been fixed several months before I even started playing Helldivers 2. I got it down to "only" random 5 second freezes which still persists but this is the only game I have these struggles with, everything else is dead stable.
@@Tomazack well, i had a full AMD rig before, like more than 10 years, and that rig was bad experience. Whenever i tab out of an app to run another, it stuttered like 1 sec, EVERY.FKING.TIME, without a miss. At that time, i was in college, i had to tab out of documents to search a lot, and i played POE and turn-base RPGs, so i had to tab out to search for info and trade a lot, and that rig was HELL. The annoyance was so much that at year 3 of its life span i lost all the interest in playing game and just left it to dust, only turned it on if i need to work. And i was broke AF so no new rig for like 7 years. If AMD turn out good in time, i sure will jump on the band, i'm not a fanboy of any brand. But as AMD announced it doesn't compete with Nvidia on high end GPU anymore, i'm afraid that what AMD's fanboys advocated about it as "the Ndivia competitor that will bring good things to the market" won't be true.
In the past the AMD drivers had a lot of problems, these have been corrected and now the AMD drivers is just as stable as nvidia drivers. ive had nvidia cards for a long time but then i decided to get an RX 7800 XT and i have not had a single crash at all on that card with the new drivers.
in my experience usually you have to wait some days for the optimized driver, sometimes even weeks (rarely), they are not slow but if you want the BEST experience possible on your gpu you have to wait, not a big deal if you don't play on day one (most of the games are also full of bugs the first month of release). You can still play new games on your gpu even if you didn't update your drivers but usually it'll run a little worse. This happened to me with god of war rangnarok, I finished the game (even the valhalla dlc) before receiving the driver update.
Sold my 3060 Ti when I got a bargain on a 6950 XT because 8GB was stuttering in several games (like Medieval Dynasty off the top of my head) I barely spent more but feel I got triple the value. In those 2.5 years I've only had two specific issues, namely the launch version of Baldur's Gate 3 crashed in the underdark when SAM was on (fixed next patch, Larian's fault - and it also happened on Intel ARC) and a specific driver that crashed Ghost of Tsushima randomly when initiating combat with the bow from range (AMD's fault, fixed in a week)
Isn't that game midevil dysnasty dx9 or dx11? I've been thinking about buying midevil dysnasty it off g.o.g. honstly. They claim its like two games in one a city builder & third person game, the nission are said to be repeatative.
@@kevinerbs2778 It's DX11 yeah, I played at 1440p though at the time. It's a game that's more about the sandbox than the story for sure. At least it *has* some story, unlike most games of its type. But I do like the building and immersive aspect of it
You don't always have to use a ddu, most of the time if your pc is having trouble with specific drivers you can roll back to working ones in the device manager until a more stable one for your system comes out. 🤘 never once used a ddu and I honestly have like 15 bad drivers on my pc rn 😝
@@garth448 I recommend using DDU regardless of whether you want to update or rollback your drivers to avoid file conflicts/any issues that may arise if you don't do a clean install, it only takes a few minutes.
after running amd and ati drivers for decadesm, it is clear to me that evey single thing said about driver problems is literal bs last time i had driver problems it was with a nvidia gpu.
I had an RX570 in my 2nd PC and the drivers were driving me crazy. It took me so long to find a stable driver. After around 3 years I replaced it again with an Team Green card. I believe the drivers are way better now but back in the past it was really annoying.
Im switching to AMD for Linux support, will dual boot Windows for some games too. Nvidia has a ton of Linux issues, especially with Linux's move to Wayland compositor, although it is getting better
switched from 2070 super to 6900xt and been great. I like adrenalin more than geforce experience and ive experienced only very minor issues with either card. Nvidia had some buggy driver launch and on amd ive had a setting that reset every now and then (now fixed). That's it.
I was a long time Radeon user but switched over to Nvidia after Vega came out. My issue with AMD used to be the drivers and heat output. I'm glad they seemed to fix the drivers at least. I think the current issue with AMD is how far behind they lag in terms of features like DLSS and frame gen, RT. I know Radeon fans like to call these things gimmick but they're slowly becoming essentials. And AMD has always been poor at keeping up in that department.
i had problem with 6700xt driver at summer of 2023 like it really was crash on crash even in browser (gladly you always can sit on old drivers and be good) but driver that was released with alan wake 2 fixed all that issiues than i upgraded to 7800xt and non of the drivers cause problems with that card now waiting for 8800xt if it really will make huge step in rtx performance i will upgrade
I have to say, the whole "AMD has bad drivers" has been one of the most successful smear campaigns implemented by the competition and people still eat it up. I have been an AMD user for about 5 years and have nothing but good things to say about them.
I've been using AMD for about as long, used 4 different GPUs from them until now, never had a driver problem.
Same here. I went from a rx580 to a rxx5700xt to a rx6700xt. I will get a another AMD GPU at some point maybe when a game that would run better with a newer GPU. But until then I can run everything I play and with AFMF2 I can keep settings on high.
At least in my experience I'm using an amd laptop and the fps is low af and hot when playing game when I was young. Bought Nvidia laptop around same price and got higher fps and stable. I don't even know about the driver issue but that experience made me bought Nvidia for my PC.. No problem so far.
@@TrailBlazer-h8f You're comparing new hardware to old hardware lol😂
I had a 5600xt and spent more time on Reddit and google troubleshooting the black screens and crashes than actually playing. Then I switched to NVIDIA and have had zero issues with my gpu since
The only issue Amd have is a bug caused by microsoft deleting their drivers bs. Most people will blame Amd for anything going wrong in their pc. One suggestion I have is to refrain from updating with every driver release; only upgrade if you encounter an issue or if a new program or game requires the latest driver to function correctly.
But why does this never happen with Nvidia?
Had that issue with my s.l.i rtx 2080 ti setup. Windows completely destroyed the ablility of to work at one point. Had to registery fix the automatic update off.
@@christopherbohling5719 it haappens to nvidia too. Check my other commeng.
@@christopherbohling5719 Same reason more apps are better optimized for iOS than Android but Android still clears iOS any day of the week. Devs cater to the most popular.
@@christopherbohling5719 it does. It's happened to me with both brands. Less often on Nvidia cards, but it wasn't exactly common on AMD either.
I switched from NVIDIA to AMD this year and was incredibly surprised and impressed. I went through absolute hell on NVIDIA earlier this year on my Ada card and last year wasn't that great for them either. I'd say recently NVIDIA is borking drivers at AT LEAST 2-3x the rate of AMD. Normally, general stability issues and game issues you'd consider isolated cases unless the issue is widespread, but if one looks on the NVIDIA reddit, they'll clearly see NVIDIA is outright breaking features and not fixing them, not listing issues as known, and not even addressing them. My experience over a decade with NVIDIA was lousy, because I never bought their high-end hardware. I don't like looking back.
BS
@@pseudoscientist8010 BS
people who complain about amd driver issues definitely never heard of the so called DDU lmao.
@@pseudoscientist8010 Gotta love it when I reply to biased comments it ends up deleted by youtube.
@@alrecks619 Average reply on an Arch Linux forum. you're not the only one who can use a pc.
Another comment said this already but the bad driver stuff is almost definitely a smear campaign that has been extremely successful. Let's be real for a second here, the average user is terrible at troubleshooting issues and likely has no clue why they're having a specific problem. These (often self inflicted) problems then get blamed on bad AMD drivers by default even though they have nothing to do with it, because people are generally lazy and fall back on easy explanations for their problems.
The same users then go to nvidia, and instead of blaming drivers when they have problems, blame the game devs, 'bad optimization', windows, etc. It's really just a mindworm that's taken control of too many people's brains.
You're making massive generalizations, which amount to little more than a strawman argument. I've been both gaming and messing around with computers in general for well over two decades. I understand computers and can effectively troubleshoot problems. I currently own a 5700XT, which I bought at launch. It's my second AMD GPU and will definitely be my last. I have had so, so many issues with their drivers, none of which have been "self inflicted". I have found only one set of drivers in all my time owning the card that _did_ have zero problems, but some newer games didn't run with them, so I had to "upgrade" to newer drivers several months back. The first set that I "upgraded" to caused driver timeouts in several games. Another set that I tried repeatedly set my refresh rate to 60HZ (144HZ monitor). The current drivers I'm using turns smart access memory on every time I boot up, which I don't want on as it causes hitching for me. In the process of trying to fix the issues, I discovered that many other people were having the exact same issues with the exact same sets of drivers. I get that some people have a smooth experience, but the fact is that it's essentially 'driver roulette' with AMD and I didn't pay hundreds of dollars for that. If the drivers are good for you, great. It's not a 'smear campaign', a 'mindworm' or just a bunch of idiots causing their own issues though and for you to suggest so is both arrogant and short-sighted.
@@thanekrios3211 Personally, I have a laptop with Ryzen 3 3250U, yes, very humble but it is what I could afford to study Systems Engineering. Well, 1 month and a half ago for 6 times in total I had driver problems under the exact same conditions: being in virtual classes of Microsoft Teams and with the Firefox browser open in the background, at any time in the middle of the class the screen went black for 2 seconds then returned to see the class but the brightness was at maximum and suddenly the AMD window appears indicating that the drivers were slow to respond.
Interestingly, this problem always occurred in the same conditions (virtual classrooms in Microsoft Teams and Firefox browser open) and it was 6 times in total in a period of a month and a half.
In the end, I backed up my personal files, reinstalled Windows 10 by formatting my SSD completely, installed the laptop drivers, also the 24.9.1 video and chipset drivers from the official AMD site and the problems were solved!!!
@@thanekrios3211 Personally, I have a laptop with Ryzen 3 3250U, yes, very humble but it is what I could afford to study Systems Engineering. Well, 1 month and a half ago for 6 times in total I had driver problems under the exact same conditions: being in Microsoft Teams virtual classes and with the Firefox browser open in the background, at any time during class the screen would go black for 2 seconds then returned to see the class but the brightness was at maximum and suddenly the AMD window appears indicating that the drivers were slow to respond.
Interestingly, this problem always occurred in the same conditions (virtual classrooms in Microsoft Teams and Firefox browser open) and it was 6 times in total in a period of a month and a half.
In the end, I backed up my personal files, reinstalled Windows 10 by formatting my SSD completely, installed the laptop drivers, also the 24.9.1 video and chipset drivers from the official AMD site and the problems were solved!!! In my gut, I am 100% that these problems are due to Windows + my shenanigans on the system to optimize it.
I remember when cs2 was crashing but people said no the game is broken but a little detail on your crosshair that you can remove with shift+tab now don't buy AMD card 😂
@@thanekrios3211 you literally have the singular buggiest gpu in recent times. for comparison, the rtx 3000 series had more driver issues than the rx 6000.
I've just adopted the strategy of keeping a driver so long as it works. If I do something that encounters crashing I might try an updated driver.
in my case I always update to the new driver every time it is released and I have never had any problems. crashing, bluescreen etc.
@@metroplex29 Pls Don't Do That At least Wait a Week or So
Why tho? I never understand waiting on same drivers, while never ones brings new game/engine optimizations, fixes to the table.
Because time has shown, that nowadays many releases are rushed and cripple systems until another fix comes in, or brick whole systems for good. Or gets you banned in some games by mistake with new tech.
So better be sure and wait until it's clear to go
@@ysnyldrm73 When I had a 6700 xt I always updated as fast as I could and sometimes I had to go back using DDU. Maybe in the end amd drivers are not as stable as "they" claim. I don't understand why I should fear a driver update...
I have two PCs, one in my office desktop with an rx 6950 xt i dual boot Linux and win11 its been running fine for more than 2 years. i never update the drivers until i hear they're stable and have never had any trouble with. My second pc is on my living room and it has an rtx 4080 and i do the same, never update drivers until a game ask for it and i check reviews to see if they're stable, never had any problems. I think both brands mess up some times but in general they're both great. You should read news and driver reviews or wait/skip months. The only real recommendation is that if you run Linux amd is better, if you want ray tracing/dlss or you work with 3d or video software use Nvidia.
Absolutely agree.
Their Linux drivers are incredibly stable compared to Nvidias on Linux :D
for linux i think amd/intel it's better with their drivers compared to nvidia, there is no comparison for me
Been on AMD GPU's for a few years here as well. No issues I can really think of. I play a number of games over the years and for the most part I cannot complain. People are full of BS.
History: Nvidia was unusable garbage all through dx9 because their cards were designed bad. They exclusively sold them via TECH DEMOS like DAWN, while cards like the FX could not run games. This changed with dx10. Not only was Nvidia faster, but AMD bought ATI and screwed up driver quality. AMD did not have acceptable performance until the R9 290X. But nobody would give it credit. Nvidia has used brainwashing techniques the entire time and ruined the process. Nvidia LIED so hard about freesync they renamed their support to Gsync, because they TRAUMATIZED their users. You immediately quit seeing hit piece articles after Nvidia changed their support. High prices are also part of the tactics. This is called SUNK COST FALLACY, because people paid so much they must mentally justify falling for a scam. These fanboys must justify why they bought a 8GB 4060 over a 16GB 7800, so they whine about DLSS, which is completely irrelevant to AMD users who can run games at native resolution. Nvidia has abused their customers so bad, they have STOCKHOLM SYNDROME. They can't accept reality. If you think Nvidia fanboys are crazy, YOU'RE ACTUALLY RIGHT, they're mentally ill, and Nvidia did this to them.
@@JohnDoe-ip3oq This is really good comment. The truth has been spoken!
I've had less driver issues on my AMD card than my old Nvidia card (looking at the same length of time I've had them).
@@JohnDoe-ip3oq "until the R9 290X". I've been running ATI/AMD since the late late 90s, and always found the performance acceptable.
@@JohnDoe-ip3oqto some extent yes. Average Nvidia customer got no clue about Radeon and most likely don’t know how to keep you PC up to date with bios, chipset and Windows updates.
AMD Adrenaline Software can be buggy, but the actual display drivers themselves are very nice and stable.
The software is super buggy on laptop.
I have rx590, 6600xt, 7800xt, 6900xt never had driver issues
At present, I'm having my first issue after just over 2 years of usage, and the issue is that adrenalin doesn't always load after putting my pc on sleep. Never had that before.
Edit: I have a 6950xt.
@AutisticViking83 I get kind the same issues I was hinting at with my all amd laptops. Adrenaline doesn't even show up anywhere on my computer at all. Idk why I never figured out the reason after over 3 years of using these laptops. I usually just need to restart, and there it is. Now, with my all AMD desktop, I built myself, I have never had these issues after a year of use. I have not ever been able to find a fix other than just a simple restart. Idk if it's the drivers or maybe just some manufacturers' apps that are installed or what. It's a very strange thing that I have encountered on two different laptops from different manufacturers. I have laptops with AMD cpus and Nvidia GPUs, and this has never happened with the GeForce software. Honestly, the 6 or 7 plus laptops I have had that have used Nivida GPUs, i have never had a single issue. Maybe a crash now and then, but that is my own fault.
@bumbaclot813 Like you, I have to restart for it to get to load up. As for it showing, I can see it on my search and that little box at the bottom right of windows when you click that up arrow every time but again it doesn't always load from anywhere even as administrator
I’ve been very intermittent in PC gaming. My first then-ATI card was an ASUS AX800 Pro some 20 years ago. No problems with drivers.
My next stint in PC gaming I went through a 3870, 3870X2, 4850, 4870X2, and a pair of 5870s in crossfire. This spanned the years 2007-2010. No problems with drivers.
The pandemic inclined me to re-enter PC gaming beginning with an AMD 6600XT, progressing to a 6900XT, 7900XTX, with a 6750XT and 7800XT for a mini-ITX build I tote around on road trips. No problems with drivers.
What I do notice is there are always problems with everything else. Most particularly with Windows, but also having to learn that you have to wipe Nvidia drivers with DDU otherwise Nvidia leaves fragments of their own drivers that screw up AMD drivers. Some of the issues are so bad it’s hard to believe they are anything but purposefully anticompetitive in nature.
i bought a used 6700xt (ASUS Dual non-OC, specifically) in late 2022 and haven't had a single crash. so i never understood the "AMD DRIVERS BAD" argument
I have an 6700XT Asus Dual OC, also purchased in 2022. Initially i hated it because it would do the full blackscreen crash 20 times a day. It would mainly do this while I was browsing the net, watching a youtube video then switching between tabs. This annoyed me to no end. *AND THEN* I upgraded to a new system with windows 11 and that particular problem went away.
What did hurt me more than AMDs drivers though was around the same time I upgraded to a new machine. I also purchased a 7800XT Nitro+ for an extremely good price to go along with it. It died on me in less than three weeks and the retailer would only offer me a refund instead of a replacement. I didnt want to buy it again as the price had bounced back up again to its regular price. The difference between the price I paid and the regular price was around $300. So that retailer lost a sale and a customer.
going knocked back to the 6700XT was a bitter reality to accept after seeing and experiencing how much more smoother games were with the 7800XT.
When you paid 2000 bucks for a 4090, or worse, have been scalped buying a 3090/ti for 4000+, you NEED the competition to be crap, because otherwise you "wasted" your money. And only fools waste their money.
The only way they can validate their nvidia purchase... less performance per dollar but "better drivers".
Because you do not understand where the problem lies. It is not the stability that is an issue but compatibility. There is a lot more software that just does not work properly with AMD, DaVinci Resolve has been a good example especially last year 2023 was problematic. And the beginning of this year AMD had truly bad drivers.
@@jarnovilen5259 I haven’t face any problem with and drivers yet… I think problematic when Intel paid Dell to utilize Intel CPU exclusively. Or as of right now, Intel and Nvidia are paying MSI to stop producing products for AMD, such as high-end GPU versions or itx boards. In addition, Nvidia has been shown to overcharge clients that choose to purchase any AMD AI solution rather than standing in line during shortage of nvidia ai products.
AMD recommends BALANCED power plan for the CPU and, even if it is counter intuitive, I verified it is the most performing power plan on AMD CPUs.
Also, do not use afterburner but use the driver included performance feature that lets you raise the power limit (you can save the profile and reload it after a driver upgrade to reapply the changes) and show performance overlay with correct data for latencies and frame gen.
Edit: don't forget to install the latest AMD chipset drivers too! They are NEEDED and resolve a bunch of problems of the windows default chipset drivers (stuttering, black screens etc.).
Hey. By chipset you mean motherboard update ?
@@nab-v1wI mean AMC chipset drivers
Afterburner is simpler and more reliable than overclocking through Adrenaline
@@nab-v1w yes
Got an RX6650XT 2 years ago and have no issues whatsoever, perfect for high frame 1080p when you're on a budget.
you must be so happy now with AFMF 2 hitting the deck and potentially expanding your GPU lifespan for at the very least 3 more years
I've been using AMD since 2021 on multiple different PCs and cards, and never had any problem, except when using preview drivers. And I always update, although usually I skip preview drivers and such.
if you use preview/beta drivers send report or enable automatic report tool if you have a bug, because they give chance to use them just for that
The main reason, I went with a AMD 7900 XT when they launched was the fact the Linux Mesa drivers are far superior than the Windows one. I still have some issues with Windows ones, specially OpenGL. AMD always had a issues with it, I remember not getting greatest performance on my HD 7870. Now looking back I'm happy to have went with a 7900 XT
OpenGL performance was massively improved back in mid 2022 or so if memory serves me right.
I've had an AMD card for the last 5 or so years, I had an XFX RX 570, followed by a short stint with iNvidia on the 1660 super, then RX 6600 and decided on a very dumb incremental upgrade to the 6650XT.
I had driver issues during that entire time, many crashes, even currently I had issues with the radeon replay not working and driver timeouts. However, are these issues enough to make the cards a bad value? Well, no, especially when you're a budget gamer like me.
I don't know how it is on the iNvidia side but I do plan to find out, I think I'll get the 5060 when it comes out.
My first PC with a dedicated graphics card was an MSI 1050 TI and I had all sorts of driver problems up to needing to reinstall windows on my primary drive and needing to reinstall Linux on my secondary drive. In 2019 I picked up a Sapphire 5700 XT and I’ve had no problems running it with a 3800X or 5950X while having everything including the RAM overclocked to unreasonably barely safe system. Unlike the Nvidia instructions, the option to do things manually works just as well as the more automated version when it comes to AMD.
I have been using a full AMD system since 2014 until now and I always consistently update the driver directly if a new one is available and I never downgrade to an older version after that. But in terms of personal use I have never experienced various problems that other people experience such as Driver Crash and others. But yes I often see my friends experiencing these problems. Is it possible that I am just lucky?
Yes
Yes, I have had driver timeouts, at least once a day for the last 2 weeks, before that I have had sparce issues.
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lol, i do the same for years.. never an issue
I guess you've been lucky. Within the last 2 years I came across 4-5 unstable drivers.
Thanks for the video. I'm still on Nvidia since I have friends and relatives that had multiple AMD cards and always had issues with drivers (properly installed drivers btw). I'm hoping RDNA 4 will be good, I might consider getting an 8800 XT if they can fix the driver issues.
I mainly have used Nvidia gpus over the past ~30yrs but used a number of ATI / Radeon gpus as well. I’ve experienced literally only a couple of minor issues with Nvidia drivers and no Radeon driver issues (85% Nvidia GPU user during ~30 years) and the vast majority is gaming and only recent years some production work.
My 2 issues were game stability issues in 2 different games about 10 years ago. Nothing recently from either Nvidia or Radeon. No gaming or productivity issues!
*NVIDIA
Right before the 7000 series was released, my GTX 1070 died. I replaced it was a sapphire RX 6900 XT Toxic.
The ONLY issue i had was since I couldn't uninstall the nvidia drivers first, my monitors flicked on and off until I managed a complete uninstall, reboot, and full install of radeon drivers.
After that, no issues. Games have run flawless at 1440p, it handles dual monitors without issue, and I love the control panel. It's definitely easier to navigate and turn features on and off where I felt like I had to dig around to find and turn on features (like adaptive sync) with the Nvidia drivers.
Now I love both, rarely had in game or desktop issues with either.
Switched from Nvidia to AMD about a year and a half ago. I swapped my 3080 for a 7900xt, because my 3080 was a buggy mess. Every other update, I would get crashes, stutters. Massive fps drops that turned games into slide shows, or other random problems. On the other hand my 7900xt has been awesome. I haven't had any issues with it.
is it the problem of high end gpu? My RTX 2060super has not encountered a single error since 2019 until now 2024
@@aria.e I have 3050 laptop and there is constant fps drops
@@aria.e I don't think so. I've owned several Nvidia gpu's and none of them gave me problems. It could have been that my 3080 was a lemon, which can happen regardless what brand you buy.
It wouldn't stop me from buying a Nvidia gpu in the future either. It's just that AMD presented the better option. The 7900xt performs close to a 4080 with more vram and cost almost $700 Cdn less at the time I bought it.
More lies, you spent 1k for 30% more performance too 🤣🫵🏻
In AMD website you can see the Fixed and Known issues in every version they have it under the release notes but those issues are rare and specific issues
Most of my graphical issues have actually been windows related.
I've owned an rtx 2080 ti system with windows 10, and after owning that for 5 years, i bought a an entirely new system with AMD CPU and GPU (RX 6800 XT), in preparation to switch to Linux, i used that with windows 11 for 6 months-ish, while i looked at Linux videos to prepare for the switch (this was around the time when Copilot and Recall were first announced), and the problems i had with the RTX, i also had with the AMD... Anti-Aliasing looked awful, no matter what technique i chose, everything was blurry and crap, tons of stutter, etc etc... This was on BOTH systems, entire different computers, one running win10, the other running win11.
Then i switch to Linux on the AMD system, and suddenly my games run, stutter-free, and anti-aliasing looks sharp and beautiful AF.
That's when i realized, it's actually windows that are producing these issues, it's not a graphics card problem at all! xD
The only problem i had with AMD, on Windows, was that Skyrim's FPS is unlocked by default (And skyrim gets REALLY buggy with unlocked FPS), and i couldn't figure out how to lock the fps at it's intended 60 fps to keep the game stable... Which is again, not a problem in Linux, lmao.
Windows is just not the operating system for gaming, anymore... since windows 7, each new windows, and update for windows, has done nothing but reduce gaming performance bit by bit, and ruined graphical fidelity, bit by bit, over the years... It's at a point now where gaming on windows is just an awful experience, overall. : (
However, i will not be caught dead, having Recall, on my computer, i am NOT about to willingly allow my PC to carry a honeypot that makes me a target for hackers, dude... That log that recall maintains (That allows copilot to know what info is connected to what screenshot, that keeps going even if screenshotting is disabled), is the biggest cybersecurity disaster in human history! >_>
You can use the built in Adrenaline "Radeon Chill" to lock fps
@@higanami_yt Nope, i mean it locks display FPS, but doesn't alter internal fps, so Skyrim becomes unstable regardless. : (
I tried it, lol.
I don't really agree with you saying unusable AMD drivers is a thing of the long gone past. The 5700 XT had major issues for a long time, I had to use the launch drivers for many months if I wanted to play my go to online game of choice (World of Warships). 5700 XT is of course not a new card, but in terms of performance it's still quite relevant in almost all games. It's by far the worst I've experienced driver wise from any card, and I've been using AMD and Nvidia cards from the ancient HD5570 and gt210 onwards.
Other than that, I had some minor issues with my 6750 XT, it simply can't do VRR without things getting buggy, I tried a few different drivers but eventually gave up as it's not the end of the world. Can't really remember any specific Nvidia driver issues right now but I'm sure I've had minor ones in the past at some point.
I had an amd 6700xt and I also got some issues with VRR, I also had some minor issues, it wasn't bad but on average I've always had a better experience with nvidia. Another thing is that amd drivers are usually released some days or even weeks after a major game launch, so if you play on day one or near that date you CAN have some issues like stutters, crashes or less performance that what expected, on the other hand it's not rare to get 2 or 3 drivers update in the same month with nvidia. I also noticed that often the "known issues" remain in the list for months, even when they say that a problem has been fixed it is not always true, nvidia is not transparent in communication but amd sometimes lies shamelessly.
I own a RX 6900XT and with some driver versions I had constant crashes while with others it was perfectly fine.MAD is really hit or miss sometimes
5700xt issues were fixed by 2020.
I still use one, best bang for buck used gpu.
Id say Amd has maybe 2x (100% more) driver issues than Nvidia. A lot of it is related to that games optimize and fix for Nvidia more.
But its not really a big issue, as it means having 2 problems instead of 1 in like a month.
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j Sure, eventually my 5700 xt worked fine. Ended up selling it for more than I bought it for due to the crypto nonsense.
Not to mention Anti Lag+ getting users VAC banned on RDNA 3 GPUs just a year ago.
I've not had Driver issues since my 1Ghz Celeron / Radeon 7200 32MB SDR AGP and my other system with a Athlon XP 2200+ (KT266A) and Radeon 8500 64MB DDR AGP. Both were on Windows XP. Those issues were resolved after a driver update.
I've only had an issue after installing the drivers from around the June/July driver release, Windows would freeze a few seconds after booting up.
I had to try several things through a process of elimination, that's on top of applying every suggestion I could find online. Whether that was reinstalling chipset drivers, reinstalling Windows, using an old version of the drivers or even physically reinstallimg the GPU itself.
None of those worked, for weeks I grew frustrated to the point that I contemplated picking out my old GTX 1050 from its box.
Eventually I found out that the freeze might have been caused by changing the refresh rate from 59.94 to 60 hertz, since then I've had no problems.
That's so strange how such a small thing can bring down the drivers somehow, but I've not had any recorded problems with the drivers ever since, my RX 6700 soldiers on.
I switched from NVIDIA to AMD when the 7900xtx released it was a real upgrade from my gtx 1080 and the transition was simless, I ofcourse used DDU to delete all the nvidia drivers from my system and then downloaded AMD drivers and didn't get any problem out of the ordinary and none coming explicitely from my GPU
Well , the best thing of the new Drivers for my 6800XT is that they got AFMF2 which allows me to have 144 or 165 FPS in 1440p with only 130-160 Watts with Chill aktivated and locked to 72 or 83 FPS ua-cam.com/video/HiJCHSavP7Y/v-deo.html ( Jedi Fallen Order ) . For Simulations like City Skylines 1 which are usually CPU limited you can use AFMF2 to push the FPS over 100 and get a high refresh Rate experience ua-cam.com/video/THZb-79pi4I/v-deo.html
Frame Generation is an Feature which did not exist for the 6800XT at the Time i buyed it , AMD gave it to me for free in the New Drivers , and NV ? you had to buy the RTX 4xxx Cards to get it and even then only in Games which supported Frame Generation while AMD supports it with any DX10/11/12 and Vulcan Game ( driver based )
I edited the Power Curve of my 6800XT and adjusted it to the Quality of the GPU on it with a Tool called MorePowerTool , i used it for less Power = undervolting , thats why you can see a pretty low Power consumption despite full 6800XT Performance
Great video! This must have taken MONTHS to research.
I have used AMD and nVidia GPUs since the early 2000s. I had VERY FEW issues with either. This is because my habit is, when I find a stable driver, I LEAVE IT ALONE.
It it's not broken, I don't mess with it. This has proven VERY effective at minimizing problems.
I'm on the latest driver, 24.10.1 for my RX 6600 and never had any issues since the very first driver install.
my problem with Radeon is not the stability, 95% of the time people have game crashes and BSODs/Black screens.... they did not validate their ram stability properly and rather than doing actual troubleshooting as they would with a Nvidia card, they skipped straight to whipping boy MUH AMD. A faster videocard can push pre existing weak links over the edge. My problem with Radeon is every generation of RDNA is just awful for set ups with triple display at over 1080p/60hz, they utterly cook the room. That's what's kept me with Nvidia for the last 4 years.
that could be true but the thing is, why so many people only have issues using amd gpus? Obviously amd drivers are different from nvidia ones ( i'm not saying they are worse, just programmed differently). for example, if the problem in the pc is the ram, why often these problems appear only when using amd gpu? it does not depend only on a more powerful gpu (also because the problems disappear by returning to nvidia regardless of the gpu used) if the whole pc remains the same. Probably the amd drivers are more "sensitive" or sometimes they are released in a hurry, this in a certain sense indicates a worse quality. I think that many people want a pc that is able to work without analyzing every piece of hardware or software. in my case i had some instability every now and then with an rx 6700 xt or other always present problems (like the screen flickering when freesync was active), now with the same configuration but with an rtx 3080 these problems are no longer there (the same monitor is also gsync compatible). I did a lot of troubleshooting but I use my pc both for my computer engineering degree and for gaming so I just want a pc that I can rely on.
maybe the reason.. by default, amd card have fans turned off.. turn that off and put on 30-40% fan speed?
@@emanuelefusco4466my home pc over the years has a gt 210, gtx 750 and a rx 570 while keeping with its i5 3570 and 8gb of ddr3 ram clocked at 1333 mhz
Never had any driver problem except for that time i forgot to restart the pc after a driver update
My laptop with its rtx 2050 has screen and restart problems. After some troubleshooting, its 2nd ram stick is dying
If, people have such a bad bias against AMD. They better admit they have it rather than pretending AMD's the culprit
@@3dcomrade That could be said even about you, If you don't have an issue, it doens't mean other people don't have it. I'm not saying nvidia is perfect or that amd is bad, in fact I just buy what I find cheaper. Different people have different hardware configurations and use their pc for different things. Also I'm speaking about what you can read on forums about gpus so it's not really a "bias", it's more like who asks more help online, considering that amd has around 12% marketshare finding a lot of open threads about amd it's not a good thing.
Edit: in my experience with amd I just had minor issues (rarely), aside from the freesync issue but that could also be the monitor's fault (strangely it works with gsync) so I'm NOT an amd hater.
These people who want computers to just work are filling steam forums with crush reports for the whole last year, because of XMP, 13xxx/14xxx, and nvidia gpus hotspot temperatures. But because thay use hardware without AMD's negative reputation they blame gamea first.
AMD have such negative reputation, so people being weary often blaming AMD first.
There were times when AMD drivers were often not good, but right now, they're pretty decent.
At first, I was worried about the outcome because drivers often react to changes in Windows. I expected you to encounter old drivers that wouldn't work with the latest Windows 11 revision. In the end, it turned out well, and I definitely remember drivers where I had to change the FreeSync settings due to UA-cam videos freezing. If you don't play the latest games, I would almost recommend using PRO drivers. Regarding instability, people often have, in their opinion, stable overclocked processors or RAM, and it works well on an old graphics card because the bottleneck was the card. As soon as they buy a new card, the processor suddenly has a much higher load, and the previously stable overclocking is no longer so stable.
I have been using an XTX card since day one, and although I haven't been testing driver reliability, I have not encountered any difficulty in all that time.
I never had issues with the drivers per se, but the Adrenalin Edition Application was problematic for me more than I would have liked. I did eventually pull my 7900XTX and switch back to NV after two years.
Nice video.
I've been on AMD for my last two cards, 5 years, with in issues.
The Adrenalin software is so easy to use for undervolting and overclocking.
I like your advice to just get the GPU that's best for your use case and budget.
…… bought an AMD prebuilt system (intel cpu) in December 2020. 6 months later I built my own pc with a 5900x and 6900xt. No issues the entire time EXCEPT for my gpu, it’s an ASUS oc tuf model and required a vbios update from ASUS- took me a while to figure that one out. Aside from that? I’ve had no issues with drivers or stability. As a matter of fact, I’m using AFMF2 with fsr2.1 in cyberpunk 2077 with all ray tracing turned on (excluding path tracing) I’m getting 60-90 fps- dlc dogtown area tanks it to 50 on occasion. LOVE THIS THING and the product.
Literally swtiched from NVIDIA to AMD to NVIDIA to AMD again all in the span of 7 months
never had issues with AMD Drivers.
Why?
Use DDU (With Safe mode on).
LITERALLY THAT.
I recommended my friend that uses 1660Ti to switch to a 6700xt, at first he had fps drops on League of Legends of all games, I told him to redo the DDU and do it on safe mode and now his games are doing great. AMD drivers aren't perfect but if you do not uninstall your Nvidia drivers properly (or intel) you're gonna have issues AMD after an unproper cleaning of Nvidia drivers.
It's obvious people aren't doing their works and just keep yapping about it being bad instead of doing proper cleaning of their previous graphics drivers.
great video, my only problems with my AMD GPU is the league of legends replay system crashing, since it's the only thing borked I can safely assume the fault lies with Riot Games instead of AMD and Ready or Not being laggy as fuck, which the whole community complains about, other than that my ride with my RX 6700 XT is smooth sailing ever since I got it
In 2022 the drivers overclocked the Ryzen CPUs in UEFI when the Ryzen Master SDK was installed too and a profile for the GPU was loaded…
I remembered this news and found it again.
been using an all amd pc for over 2 years now and haven't had any issues that i see other people have like bsod or driver timeouts. ive had issues with relive not working but that hasnt been an issue in a long time
I had both AMD Radeon and NVIDIA cards. To be honest I'm not biased towards either one. All I care about nowadays is whichever card has high end card that can support a GPU block for custom water cooling for My gaming PC
Ive been using primarily AMD gpus in my personal computer for the last 20 years. On the rare occasion there is a problem with a driver release, for a specific aplication.
To contrast that however, I put an Nvidia 2080 in our VR computer when i built it a few years ago and regularly have issues with the drivers. To the point where it becomes useless and I end up rolling back the drivers, some times multiple releases.
Been using a radeon 6800 for a year now without any major issues. However, i did realize that i barely used any features in the radeon app so i did a clean install for the minimal drivers (without the control pannel) and it's been a solid experience still. i'm not a fan of FSR because i genuinely think it looks bad compared to DLSS and i hate framegen technology because fake frames don't fix poor performance. you're playing at 120fps but with a much higher latency than a native 120fps would have.
Ìf 20% of the released drivers doesn't pass the "test" then i would call the terrible results.
Jan / Feb unstable drivers mean people had over 2 months unstable driver, to me this is unacceptable.
it happens on the nvidia side as well though. they just have different stability issues. nvidia fans don't talk about the problems they have because they prefer to blame developpers
The amd issue was legacy stuff with the old catalyst drivers...and especially on linux amd is very solid...if you are primarily a linux user, amd is the only way to go...this is easy to verify...but for most irrelevant.
Amd drivers and its features can be broken by random unexpected Windows updates.
one day it could be fine, the next day broken by a windows update. its frustrating, but it is recommended to turn off auto windows updates.
Alternatively, you can wait for a new amd driver is out before updating ur windows followed by updating your amd drivers.
AMD cleanup utility is also recommended over DDU for users who are less tech savvy.
this sounds to me there is totally different reason for your issues.. like are memory compatible with motherboard, windows issue, psu issue (this i have experienced my self) test the card on a different pc or start changing out parts
How about older games? Like DX11, or DX9 era games?
@@lanceislateagain I didn't play a lot of old titles, but games like Portal, Half Life, Warhammer 40K series from mid 2000's, older Battlefield games worked without any issues for me. Can't speak for every single game out there though.
Stutters on some dx 11 games compared to nvidia due to shader compiling being much slower on amd. Stutters do go away after playing for a while. dx 12 and vulkab on amd is better than nvidia.
I am usually the guy my friends go to when they have issues, that plus also helping people in the tech support subreddit. My personal experience has been this: Almost every time someone complains about having unstability with AMD cards (also Nvidia, but we are going with AMD for this) the issue isn't the card itself but another component or bad installation from the user:
-Using crappy HDMI or Displayport cables that are giving some feedback to the graphics card that heats it up quite a bit or causing crashes (I was surprised to find out that was possible).
-Daisy chaining power cables when it was not convenient (e.g. using a single daisy chained power cable for a card requiring more than 300W, causing it to be power starved and crashing the PSU during power spikes since a single cable doesn't support more than 300W).
-Bad mouting on the PCIe port.
-Poor case airflow, heating up all components.
-Bad or underpowered power supplies.
-People installing wrong OS drivers.
I have had 4 Nvidia and 5 AMD graphics cards in the last 17 years. I haven't seen any difference in stability in regular gaming. For Nvidia I have seen more unstability when using extra features of the platform, at least until 2019, which was the last time I used an Nvidia card.
For the last 5 years I have used exclusively AMD cards, and the only issue I have had was during February of 2024 with a driver that caused Fluid Motion Frames to work worse than in the previous driver. Then again, that was a feature that had been just released.
I am sorry to tell you that 7000 series GPU have a problem with all 24.x.x drivers. Mainly in idle or low power tasks due to the agressive power saving that has the GPU run around 60mV. There are a ton of complains about this on the forums and AMD does not care.
i have a 7900 xtx and have zero issues with the 24.x.x drivers? currently on 24.10.1 zero issues lol
I am sure that the majority of people here are the latest card as soon as possible so my comment might make you not care but for me the biggest problem with AMD is the lack of driver support for still good cards but a little older.
I had alot of AMD graphics cards, and drivers can glich, when you messing with monitors to much (Disconnecting , changing models , swapping etc.) while pc is running. The only glich is that control panel cant show up, when you want to... But I love Radeons. Amazing raster performance.
For me the only major issues on my RX 480 have been lost optimizations such as the DirectX 9 version of Unreal Engine 3 games; for example, since 17.7.2 game such as Unreal Tournament 3, Heroes of Might and Magic 7, etc. have been performing extremely bad and low IPC CPUs such as i7 870 and FX 8350.
I've had a smooth experience with my 6700 XT so far, but the Adrenaline's settings retention is a major disappointment. It consistently forgets my fan curve and voltage settings, requiring me to reconfigure them manually.
I am using a rx7900xtx the last couple of years. So far any buggy drivers were fixable with a DDU clear. But I not once had to do this with my 1080ti. Regardless I am happy with this GPU.
over the past few years i have had RX 5700XT, RX 6800, RX 7800XT, RX 7900GRE as well as GTX 1660TI, RTX 3070, RTX 4070 and RTX 4070 Super and i never had major issues with AMD other than one driver where the AMD Relive would have a memory leak but have since been fixed as far as im aware (im currently using 7900 GRE). As for Nvidia they were all also good other than Shadowplay been buggy which made me use a different application to record all together
@zaylo6941 if u do plan on streaming or do some video editing the RTX 4070 Super does the job better and does have generally better upscaling (DLSS) if u do plan on using it, the main advantage the 7900GRE has over 4070 Super if they are on the same price is the Vram difference. U cant go wrpng on either of them if u are just gonna game and i heard abt FSR4 coming out soon with AI upscaling which is the same with DLSS which could potentially rival the quality of DLSS so im excited for that
@@noblegaming7296 which one would u say i should get. right now 4070super is on sale cheaper than 7900gre. i dont mind upscaling stuff. i do VR gaming and some normal competitive gaming fortnite,cod.valorant etc.. which card has the best perfomance at 1440p no upscaling?? i do play some RT games too like wukong. currently i have 4060ti 8gb and want a more future proof card and i am leaning more towards amd cos of more vram and better oc capability.
Running a RX7900XTX for a year now. The only issue I had is with Adrenalin Video recording tool, that crashed a couple of time and I think it was with 24.8.1. I haven't that tested with the latest drivers.
During the Covid GPU crisis I got a 6800xt and had very little to no problems. Been rocking AMD ever since.
First of all I used Ati and nVidia cards from 2001 so I am an old timer in GPUs. But in the last 6 years I had an RX 5700 XT which was a mess. After I went with nVidia I bought an RTX 3070 which was much better compared to the RX 5700 XT. I used the RX 5700 XT about 1.5 years and I experienced major driver related issues like sudden black screeens and bad stability etc. with nVidia I have no issues at all. Later I gave another try to AMD with a RX 6900 XT (I still have it it was a beast of a card) and I didn't experience any driver related issues and now I use an RTX 4080 and that is also rock solid since 2023 March. I think both vendors' have problems time to time with drivers and back to my old experiences with ATI and nVidia cards from the 2000's the drivers evolved a lot. Nowdays drivers are not as bad as they were back then. I am 35 and when somebody says "unstable" drivers I would say to them go back to the early 2000's and you will appriciate today's great driver support.
I remember I had to go back several drivers just to play an older game. Black screen crashes and stutters, but I look forward to get an AMD GPU soon.
literally went from a gtx 1660 to a RTX 3060 back to the gtx 1660 (unhappy with how much I paid for said 3060, so I returned it) and just a couple days ago, 7800xt red devil by powercolor arrived on my doorstep. only problem I have actually had is, crashes when closing games (not a big deal at all, just annoying to see, probably from my platform being outdated) and also cant use portrait mode anymore on my secondary display. (im blaming windows for this, but basically when I go to portrait mode, the hitbox for the mouse is 90* off, so I can only use half the monitor and my mouse is completely incorrectly placed and oriented. no I wont reinstall windows. too much of a hassle to be worth it. yes I have DDU wiped.)
I've been rocking a rx6700 zt red devil for the last year I have zero issues and is a good 1440p gpu even under heavy load never goes over 50c looking at upgrading now to the 7900gre
I had few problems with my old build, i7 7700k and rx 7600. Since upgrading cpu to r5 7600 i havent had any driver issues. So i wonder whether these issues are from pcie3 or generally having older components.
great content dude!
@@Griftercash Thank you!
Sounds like they've improved.
I guess they finally got the message.
They've been problematic since ati.
I reported a bug with Polaris, isolated it to the exact version and proved it by replacing a specific dll with the older one.
I forgot all about it until about 2 years later I got an email that someone replied to the thread.
"why isn't this fixed?"
As far as I know, it never was.
whats your experience using an amd gpu for blender? ive seen a lot of tests saying that nvidia gpus are much better for such tasks, but ive been looking at getting the 7900xt, which i would use for modelling and rendering, using blender. otherwise my option would be to get a used 4080 or something
It's fine, but if your main goal is 3D modeling or productivity in general - NVIDIA is superior. I'd get the 4080.
@@RATechYT tyvm, I appreciate it
The only times I had the AMD driver crash on me was while experimenting with various undervolts or overclocks. Aside from all that, no problems.
Turn RivaTuner off globally (first option: Global) because it should not be on for nearly everything, and manually put in all the games (or other apps) you actually need it for. Like Afterburner, you can back up the files (directly from Program Files, where it's installed) so you don't have to repeat that process across PCs or installs of Windows. Riva will also cause crashes for games it doesn't agree with, like Forza Horizon 5. It also used to cause issues with RDR2 but I haven't seen that in a couple years and that was on NVIDIA.
On a separate note, AMD has Frame Rate Target Control (FRTC) which is a global limiter. It is in Gaming --> Graphics. Some people complain AMD drivers will overshoot the hell out of frames in some parts of games, at launch, etc. You can globally set FRTC to at or below (or even above) your refresh rate to avoid this and it does not conflict with your choice of Anti-lag or Chill on a game-by-game basis. AMD warns it can cause input lag, but I've never seen that happen. Just be sure to turn it off if you bench.
According to Fr33thy's and a bunch of other reviewers' tests FRTC is prone to induce additional input lag compared to either in-game limiters and RTSS. It is still better than relying on V-sync buffering, so there is that.
@@MrJohannson No it doesn't. AMD warns it can, but I've never seen it do so. Probably only in fringe cases.
@@MrJohannson Also you failed to read the last sentence of my post.
@@lePurpleDragon I didn't fail to do so, in fact, I'm responding to you because of that last sentence. Reviewers with actual on-screen latency tools have checked FRTC for input lag and found plenty.
@@MrJohannson Where? In what way? In what game? In what scenario?
i have Nvidia graphics card and ever since i switched platform from Intel to AMD i started having little issues with it. I did clean install of Windows, at first there was a bug, when you turn on PC, enter your password, screen turns off for 2 seconds and then turns on again and works normal. After i reinstalled drivers with DDU this issue got fixed but another problem i have i still there, when PC is idle or has a low load on a gpu (like web browsing) i have driver crash or something, in system logs it's called nvlddmkm 14/153, so screen turns off and there's like driver crash or something, then it fixes itself and works normally. Happens not often but it does.
About Davinci resolve crashing with riva tunner open, most of the times is by the service (process) "nahimic service" (windows>services>nahimic service), disable it while you’re editing, I have that same problem months after discover this, just mi experience, hope work for you.
I have an RX 6600 in my second rig and the card runs really well. No driver issues either, so far. But Adrenalin keeps pissing me off so badly. Each time I continue a game after pausing it by pressing any controller button to exit the menu, Adrenalin minimizes the game and pops up in the foreground and I have to close it to continue playing. Its so frickin annoying. I already disabled hotkeys, but it still keeps happening. Does anyone know how to prevent this?
I have used my pc for 5 years 0 windows reinstall. First GPU was 5700xt and I don't know why but sometimes was just a black screen (card was overclocked but black screen sometimes happened just browsing) and after 2 or 3 months that disappeared. A year ago I bought a 7800xt and I encountered one problem a couple of times tuning setting reset to default.
I have had three AMD GPUs and have had no issues. I have a rx580, then a rx5700xt but I wanted 1440p card for gaming so I got a rx6700xt and with AFMF2 I'm good with what I have.
The biggest issue I've seen with AMD cards is that they get very unstable when they get hot, or at least it seems that way. My brother had a 5700XT and it would crash after extended gaming sessions despite his case having very good airflow (Cooler Master TD500 tri-fan). HWMonitor reported hot spot temps on the card at 95+ celsius though. My friend currently has a 6650XT and similar issues, though his case has pretty bad airflow due to no intake fans. But his GPU temps only got to around 75C before a crash would happen, and some games like Dishonored 2 crash constantly (I play it regularly and have very infrequent issues with crashing). If anyone has any corrections or suggestions for how to solve these issues that'd be great, my brother now has a 7900XT and it works fine for him but my friend still struggles with his 6650XT.
Newest driver is 24.9.1 not 24.8.1 and it works great. Super happy with AMD much better drivers than Intel
I had the pleasure to fight with bad nvidia driver the other day, the latest driver wouldn't launch steam for some unknown reason, and the 1st time i tried installing it the PC blue screened mid install (never seen that before nor since, running on a 750Ti). I also had to deal with them randomly crashing ~3 years ago with a gtx 960.
I also have had issues with AMD drivers. Minecraft with forge on particular versions wouldn't launch properly (there were workarounds) among other smaller glitches. There is 1 game that is broken on RDNA based cards, I fault the game devs actually, since it seems to have been broken since launch.
Just got a 7900xtx (mercury speedster blah blah) and it was spiking causing crashes, strange artifacting, etc. All this rigmarole to lower the mhz to compensate, drivers supposedly didn’t fix things; people throwing their card against the wall basically.
DDU in safe mode, current and clean chipset/gpu drivers, update bios and wouldn’t you know it, the thing runs great at its stock 3100mhz now. User error on my end.
Point being this was the first AMD card out of a few now that had “issues” and all it required was not being lazy and just shoving a new card in there and expecting the drivers to magically work. Which is a testament to the previous AMD cards working flawlessly under such neglected conditions.
I play a lot of monster hunter world, and lately it has been unplayable on my 5700xt; constant crashing on the newest drivers, with no fix in sight
almost 4 years with my 6800xt and it's working perfectly. No problems with amd drivers.
on 24.6.1 or adjacent there was a massive stutter problem for fortnite, which wouild qualify them as unstable and 24.8.1 had broken global illumination in wukong
other than that i can't remember any big problems, but i can tell for certain, that AMD likes good and stable power, i had TT smart 650W PSU and it would crash for exmaple in ZZZ or Control with RT enabled (withing 15s) with RT off i managed to play 5-6 hours until drivers crashed due to "removing GPU"
also i feel like people change brands and never even consider reinstalling windows nor doing proper DDU, and when problems appear, it's AMD fault, ofc they have their quirks and are easier to break, but i have had HD 7000, RX 500, and now RX 6000, and i've barely had any problems with those in casual day to day use and gaming
Not sure where this info comes from; I have two amd cards in my PC's ( a workstation and a gaming pc) a.nd the drivers are rock solid -- have been for several years ????
This is an old urban legend that goes all the way back to the 2000s and has been carried. Both Nvidia & AMD have had their good drivers and their bad drivers at different times. I have been using AMd for a long time but I also use nvidia in my secondary PC. I wouldn't consider this when deciding which GPU to buy, it's a small thing that is rare and there are always other drivers you can use if the most current don't work- that goes for both brands.
I've mostly used AMD and I've had mostly great experiences. I do like the AMD catalyst control center much more than Nvidida's but that's probably just because I'm more familiar with it- so bias in that case.
Never had major issues with my AMD cards (even in Linux). Had more than a few on my last Nvidia GTX 1070 though. The biggest issue is resizing of game windows (trying to use 1080p on a 4k TV).
Only Nvidia's fanboys say AMD drivers are bad.
Lol, yeah, Nvidia's dominance on 80%+
vga market is based on purely corporation's underhand tactics, yeahhhh.
@@ginn1902Nvidia dominance is based on the fact that they have implementations for all major softwares (engineering, industrial etc…). The problem is not drivers but the fact that AMD has no Cuda implementation counterpart. Nvidia dominance is a fact but it’s for a different reason.
@@brunojr9 well, any company has to start at a point, Nvidia in the past was as lousy as AMD, they didn't founded by a royalty or any multi-millionaire, so their CUDA "moat" didn't bestowed upon them by anyone, they had to work to do it. So AMD should do the same. And honestly like 70-80% of Nvidia customers did try AMD's products for once, we are not all rich AF anyway, but the experience of that try was horrible, so we have to switch to Nvidia for good. If AMD did a great job, you would see the same effect of Samsung and Huawei in mobile market, but nah, you don't see that result in vga market at all. The only complaint about Nvidia vga is mainly "They are too expensive", that's all.
I'm not much of a fan of anything but stable and sufficiently powerful hardware regardless of brand, and I've had my round of curses with AMD drivers using RX 7800 XT. It hasn't lead me to say the card is garbage and AMD Adrenalin is useless yet, but once you start getting driver timeout crashes for no apparent reason, anger comes into play. For me it has mostly been with Helldivers 2, and my main issue was that these problems had already been fixed several months before I even started playing Helldivers 2. I got it down to "only" random 5 second freezes which still persists but this is the only game I have these struggles with, everything else is dead stable.
@@Tomazack well, i had a full AMD rig before, like more than 10 years, and that rig was bad experience. Whenever i tab out of an app to run another, it stuttered like 1 sec, EVERY.FKING.TIME, without a miss. At that time, i was in college, i had to tab out of documents to search a lot, and i played POE and turn-base RPGs, so i had to tab out to search for info and trade a lot, and that rig was HELL. The annoyance was so much that at year 3 of its life span i lost all the interest in playing game and just left it to dust, only turned it on if i need to work. And i was broke AF so no new rig for like 7 years. If AMD turn out good in time, i sure will jump on the band, i'm not a fanboy of any brand. But as AMD announced it doesn't compete with Nvidia on high end GPU anymore, i'm afraid that what AMD's fanboys advocated about it as "the Ndivia competitor that will bring good things to the market" won't be true.
It's fine wine baby! Go AMD!
In the past the AMD drivers had a lot of problems, these have been corrected and now the AMD drivers is just as stable as nvidia drivers. ive had nvidia cards for a long time but then i decided to get an RX 7800 XT and i have not had a single crash at all on that card with the new drivers.
How does Amd keep up with driver updates if a new game comes out? how responsive are they?
in my experience usually you have to wait some days for the optimized driver, sometimes even weeks (rarely), they are not slow but if you want the BEST experience possible on your gpu you have to wait, not a big deal if you don't play on day one (most of the games are also full of bugs the first month of release). You can still play new games on your gpu even if you didn't update your drivers but usually it'll run a little worse. This happened to me with god of war rangnarok, I finished the game (even the valhalla dlc) before receiving the driver update.
1-2 driver updates a month
7:53 also media offline error With Amd x264 Encoder
Sold my 3060 Ti when I got a bargain on a 6950 XT because 8GB was stuttering in several games (like Medieval Dynasty off the top of my head) I barely spent more but feel I got triple the value. In those 2.5 years I've only had two specific issues, namely the launch version of Baldur's Gate 3 crashed in the underdark when SAM was on (fixed next patch, Larian's fault - and it also happened on Intel ARC) and a specific driver that crashed Ghost of Tsushima randomly when initiating combat with the bow from range (AMD's fault, fixed in a week)
Isn't that game midevil dysnasty dx9 or dx11?
I've been thinking about buying midevil dysnasty it off g.o.g. honstly. They claim its like two games in one a city builder & third person game, the nission are said to be repeatative.
@@kevinerbs2778 It's DX11 yeah, I played at 1440p though at the time. It's a game that's more about the sandbox than the story for sure. At least it *has* some story, unlike most games of its type. But I do like the building and immersive aspect of it
You don't always have to use a ddu, most of the time if your pc is having trouble with specific drivers you can roll back to working ones in the device manager until a more stable one for your system comes out. 🤘 never once used a ddu and I honestly have like 15 bad drivers on my pc rn 😝
@@garth448 I recommend using DDU regardless of whether you want to update or rollback your drivers to avoid file conflicts/any issues that may arise if you don't do a clean install, it only takes a few minutes.
after running amd and ati drivers for decadesm, it is clear to me that evey single thing said about driver problems is literal bs
last time i had driver problems it was with a nvidia gpu.
As someone with a 3080 I've had near endless issues with Nvidia and their drivers at this point.
After 10 years i switchd this year from Ngreedia to AMD and i was a relay good experience.
I had an RX570 in my 2nd PC and the drivers were driving me crazy. It took me so long to find a stable driver. After around 3 years I replaced it again with an Team Green card.
I believe the drivers are way better now but back in the past it was really annoying.
The end of last year/first half of this year was genuinely the worst period of drivers I’ve experienced as an AMD user. Since 2021.
Im switching to AMD for Linux support, will dual boot Windows for some games too. Nvidia has a ton of Linux issues, especially with Linux's move to Wayland compositor, although it is getting better
switched from 2070 super to 6900xt and been great. I like adrenalin more than geforce experience and ive experienced only very minor issues with either card. Nvidia had some buggy driver launch and on amd ive had a setting that reset every now and then (now fixed). That's it.
Build my first pc this summer with my dad it has a ryzen 5 7600x and rx 7700 xt and ive had no issues so far
I switched from a 2080ti to a 6950xt last year been a great card not had any issues with the drivers.
I was a long time Radeon user but switched over to Nvidia after Vega came out. My issue with AMD used to be the drivers and heat output. I'm glad they seemed to fix the drivers at least. I think the current issue with AMD is how far behind they lag in terms of features like DLSS and frame gen, RT. I know Radeon fans like to call these things gimmick but they're slowly becoming essentials. And AMD has always been poor at keeping up in that department.
i had problem with 6700xt driver at summer of 2023 like it really was crash on crash even in browser (gladly you always can sit on old drivers and be good) but driver that was released with alan wake 2 fixed all that issiues
than i upgraded to 7800xt and non of the drivers cause problems with that card
now waiting for 8800xt if it really will make huge step in rtx performance i will upgrade