Yeah I was instantly aged about 10 years by that. I remember when it was happening. There were rumors of them wanting to buy Nvidia at the time as well, and then the news was ATi instead. Imagine what dark alternate timeline that would have been. Maybe AMD's logo would've stayed green.
@@ELWESIN-tb4wy A lot of that was the drive to GPU compute after AMD and Intel refused to grant Nvidia an X86 licence. Nvidia started experimenting with ARM and produced Tegra but ultimately the push of CUDA cemented Nvidia as the main player of GPU compute
I used to run an A10 with no GPU for the longest time and a few HP AIO pc's with A8's and they gamed alright. Have some good memories of them. Fast ram was a must.
i love the A-series cpus, theyre technically almost unusable by today's standards, but getting console performance in one package was more than phenominal back then. so underrated
@@lucasremit was enough to keep AMD afloat alongside the consoles until Zen so it did a _good enough_ job. They also had a not insignificant presence in laptops, however useless they were CPU wise.
@@lucasrem Nobody bought it? The Xbox One and Ps4 was powered by it, and they where both pretty succesfull consoles especially the PS4. 180 Millions~ of sales, i think that's more than enough to say that more than "nobody" bought it.
@@danymend5797 I lived that era, intel Core2/Core i architecture and AMD Bulldozer failure give AMD hard hit and lowered it reputation among its strongest fans, it would take alot courage and deep search to take what best for you
@@danymend5797yeah it’s crazy how consoles saved AMD since all the reviewers were all giving the same results, despite real life usage differed from their results.
Kinda wish AMD went harder on their APU division. It would be nice if you could get something like a mid tier GPU for starter rigs and lower cost ultra small form factor systems.
Me too. There's 0 doubt in my mind that AMD/TSMC could make a non-monolithic APU with Infinity Cache to sidestep 128-bit DDR5 bandwidth limitations, but AMD likely considers this too niche to be worth the R&D. I'd take a fully functional PS5/XSX APU too, but AMD would have to develop Windows drivers for it so that's probably not happening either :(
@@wahdangun Those are non upgradable and are tied to very specific pieces of hardware. I'm talking about something you can build a system around like any other desktop.
@@WallaWaller for that, we need to adopt new memory standard maybe they can make socketed lpddr5x ram, for now, the most power full you can get its in ryzen 8700g and its quite powerful its almost nvdia gtx 1650 performance, but you need fast ram to maximize it
Many moons ago, an onboard Via S3 GPU with 32mb of shared DDR2 forced me to upgrade and buy a dedicated GPU because I had brought my guild wars 1 character into a DLC city which it just could not load. Everything else was usually double digit FPS, but my main character being stuck in the city of Rata Sum's loading screen forever put some real pressure on me. Got an Ati X1650 after that, what an insane upgrade that was!
Before APU's the integrated chipset graphics on your mobo would straight up lag trying to play gta vice city at 800x600. I know because thats how I experienced my first PC games in 2007...
i have integrated graphics on motherboard of my am3 and vice city with gta 3 was realy playble only at 480p. this shit calls nvidia 603a or smth like that.
Be fun to see the last generation of heavy equipment APUs. I recall it was Excavator, but there was some sort of generational overlap with Zen to watch for when selecting the specific SKUs and the sockets.
I remember playing games on my first A8-7600. I was always wondering how this apu got so less publicity for its igpu. It was great for basic gaming and meanwhile save electricity. Im now rocking a Ryzen 7 5750g pairing with a 3060 12gig if i need more power. I remove the gpu if i dont need it. My first love was the A8 which i will never forget❤️
I was genuinely surprised by what this IGP could do, it's a shame the CPU has to suffer for it but considering its an early APU I can forgive for that. Do appreciate you testing the video block as well 👍 I think this chip would have made a great low power HTPC setup back in the day, and sure you won't be able to play games of its time with the highest settings or anything but it gets the job done. I would have been happy to use it in a lot of late 2000s/early 2010s gaming.
oh my god its so awesome that someone finally mention about the a_series APUs, I had an A6-3620 in my childhood and for what it is its pretty good at its job and had alot of fun childhood memories with it
I'm still using an old A8-3800 in a server build, computing power-wise it's slower than my Intel laptop from 2011, but the onboard graphics are still solid even by today's standards
An A8-6410 laptop was my only rig from 2016 until 2021. The Radeon R5 was much faster than anything Intel had back then, and I had tons of fun with Skyrim LE (which with some tweaking could go much faster than your stock benchmark BTW), Doom 3, AOE3, even Deus Ex Human Revolution and others while barely generating any heat or noise. It was a decent little APU for an inexpensive laptop.
I have two A10's still kicking around, a 6800k and a 7870k. The 6800k was a budget gaming build, I played Assassin's Creed IV on it at launch at 720p low settings; it's still doing duty as a media server. The 7870k is hanging around as a backup system, kind of; it's an ITX build and I remember it came together so well ~10 years ago that I just don't want to take it apart.
Never had experience with this one, but I did have a A10 Trinity. That thing was crazy powerful for someone coming from mediocre Core 2s and other old trash. It was also a complete fireball and ran stupid hot.
0:20 The lack of shaders was a misconception. The GeForce 256 had pixel shader 1.0 support with the NSR (Nvidia Shading Rasterizer) though it was not publicized until the GeForce 2. But most games didn't take advantage of it, despite being comparable to Gamecube GPU's TEV engine, with Doom 3 being one of the few exceptions. And it actually looks like Doom 3, with most if not all of its fancy lighting effects.
I anticipated a comment like this, which is why I put "DirectX 8 compliant hardware shaders" instead of just "hardware shaders". Yes, Nvidia's OpenGL support was unprecedentedly good, but that didn't save GF4 MX's reputation
@@hblankpc it wasn't my computer actually, it was my cousin's ancient toshiba laptop and it'd keep turning off from overheating. They also replaced the 500gb hdd with a 128gb ssd which I lowkey felt bad for since he couldn't run valorant on it anymore and he lost the discrete HD 7800M 1GB in it too 💀 all it needed was a thermal paste since the a-hole have cleaned the thermal paste alongside the dust and didn't re-apply to charge more.
Like looking at old stuff. Well done video. Woukd love if you added one dGPU with an entry Level CPU for comparison in some games if you happen to have access.
"Llano would see release first for laptops, Then for desktops 2 weeks later." Now it takes them 2 years to launch their APU's with RDNA graphics to desktop after coming to laptop.
I used to have a 3870K briefly back in 2011-2012. Mine was an incredibly well overclocking chip, CPU side would easily hit 3.9GHz, while the GPU could hit just shy of 1000MHz. Was paired with RAM that was OC'd to 2000MHz iirc. It was able to play OG Skyrim at 900p medium settings at 30-40fps, which is quite a bit better than your benchmark.
I remember when there were A8 / A10 alongside a discrete graphics on lappies, I had one. the crossfire between the two was so interesting and neat. (when it worked)
i had a kaveri laptop that had a dedicated 500 gcn core gpu paired with a 500 core igpu that you could crossfire back in the day. it was always fun to tweak
I just so happen to have an Athlon Phenom II on my desk (in my hand) right now! I replaced it with a higher model just last year, and the computer is still in use, and with a 4K monitor. The one I took out still works, and is of the "Diffused in Dresden Germany" variety and served me well on an ASUS board as a main machine for over a decade. I'm toying with making it the center piece of a a belt buckle, or maybe a bolo tie clasp.
In my (limited) experience the NimeZ driver for Terascale doesn't improve much, and I didn't run into any problems with the official 15.11.1 driver. I'll 100% be using it for GCN though, for some of the latest games it's a necessity
I still have a PC that's running an A10 APU. I don't even use the graphics on it, but that graphics part of it still works. I have an RX 580 in that PC instead. That PC is a dual boot Linux PC with nobara Linux and endeavor OS loaded on it. It's still plays old games and the like and works just fine.
A solid video, well scripted and researched! 👏🏻 I have one of these A8 chips in an old ITX boards i bought ages ago collecting dust in the closet. It was a huge leap when it came out. I recall hellish video drivers at the time but eventually things improved..
Most people seem to associate APU graphics with "Playing Games", but they are much more useful when building a non gaming machine, as an example i wanted to build a music/video production small form factor machine with a tonne of storage, (sample libraries and HD video files are very large), using an AM4 itx motherboard i had spare which had 1 16X pcie gen 4 slot, and a Ryzen 5700g. I used APU to drive the graphic output, (i can run up to 3 monitors from the motherboard), and put a 4 Port PCIE M.2 Adapter, NVME PCIE Adapter, M.2 Expansion Card in the 16X pcie slot, which means i now have a fully functioning, fast, efficient SFF build with 8tb (expandable), storage for the samples and video files. Everything works as planned, and the 8 core 5700g handles everything with ease. Freeing up a powerful pcie slot is uber useful, in home and office environments, and the CPU is even powerful enough for a bit of light gaming should you wish.
Bought one for my brother back in the day (well, it was a A6-3600 if i remember correctly), being able to play most of the game of the time at medium setting in 720P was incredible value. The HD5570 was sold around 70€ so for 30-40€ more you had a quad-core cpu, not the top of the line but still a very good one. My only grief was that we never saw the next generation on this platform.
I built an HTPC around the A6-3500 3 core processor. It was perfect for the job. Though I soon realized I just prefer watching content on my regular PC. I gave the system to a girl I know who needed a computer for office apps and she still uses it today.
Holy fuck, I remember playing Dota 2 in 2015 with Athlon 5350 (AM1 platform, single channel DRAM supported) and with HD and all low it did 15-20 fps! The bloat is so real..
I had this. The Llano apu was really good for its price. ie low cost alternative that has an igp that doesnt suck like Intel's back then. Sucked that the socket platform was very short lived.
@@hblankpc I'm a pc nerd, even more so with older tech. This stuff is my jam. and heck yeah, that one was awhile ago. I got some more recent stuff on my youtube page.
Great Video, really highlighted how great the AMD cpus were back in the day, for budget gamers, like how i was But the thing that annoyed me, was the realisation, that the APU, which was supposed to be the Budget mans dream, is now no longer Budget, shame
The onboard GPU is a nice backup in case your discrete graphics card blows up. Otherwise I considered it average at best. Great for desktop stuff but not very good for games. Even though it was used on millions upon millions of consoles. For high end gaming they sucked. These days the integrated chips are used in many many laptops. Though a trick they have now is to put a discrete graphics chip into the laptop for game use and use both the integrated and discrete chips as the situation permits. IE desktop stuff on the integrated chips and games and user selected apps on the discrete chip. I now have such a laptop with an integrated AMD chip and a discrete 3060 gpu with 6 GB of DDR 4 as dedicated ram with a 2k 17 inch screen and it works quite well.
The HD3200/3300 graphics that came on the 780G/790GX chipset were pretty good compared to what came before too, especially the versions with onboard sideport memory
hblank, I actually find AMD's effort to be solid one. My personal Foray into AMD was much later around 2015/16 and the FM1/+ Motherboards with the AMD A10 7850k/7860k. This was my go to for a very cheap media center and light gaming system. I personally overclocked mine to 4.2ghz/2000 FSB and 32 gigs of 2133 DDR3 Ram. (Stable 24/7) One Personal note in my fondness of the platform was the inclusion of a Nvidia GT 1030 DDR5. Thanks for the retrospect review!
The truth is I'll be honest, I used an AMD E2 1800 Apu and the truth is that despite it being very not powerful or graceful by standards, it was incredible how the radeonHD7340 could run me up to DiRT3 at a good resolution, and so on For the competition it had with Intel, they were one of the few that had the integrated north bridge, a more current PCI and even better support for dx11. It was not even a joke that the graphics card is capable of running content in 1080p, something that a Celeron or Atom was doing horrible at that time, the truth is I will never forget those attempts by AMD, the E2 still works like a champ and thanks to all this In the Ryzen mobile and Ryzen desktop series, we have the best to play on a tight budget, we owe a lot to AMD
Even with the prevalence of discrete GPUs I still prefer having a CPU with an iGPU. Its a nice backup if your GPU fails, etc. I never thought of them as an actual GPU replacement, but we're getting closer!
There was a brief moment where just like this one you could run current games at low/medium with the 780g on athlon64 systems several years before this. Funnily enough, AMD stopped progressing after that chipset just like they did for "fusion"
I am actually currently working on an FM2 A-10 5800 build using my old chip and spare parts from other past builds. I just need to get the mobo. Something seems to be up with my old one. It is the "black edition" with a 4.2 boost, but I also wanna try hybrid crossfire with an older GPU. They are really interesting chips! They led the way to the APUs we are seeing now. I would love to see motherboards that take VRAM dimms so you can upgrade the VRAM and not have to share slower system RAM. If that is possible, it seems like it should be, but I could see there being something that would prohibit that kind of thing that I am not aware of. Anyway, cool video. Thanks
I used r3400g up to this summer And it rocks hard, playing re2make on onboard gpu is a marvel. Allso I discovered that a450 chipset can allocate 4gb vram with secure boot and above 4gb remap disabled and specified ram allocation size, otherwise such option won't show up in uefi
Apu's where not designed just to slap a little GPU inside of it. Intel's biggest market offset was business PC's which needed both CPU and GPU or Videocard.
now that i have a giga rig, its nice to go back and see all these things i was doing back when i was a teenager to scrape by while my GPU had blown up and was figuring out/earning my way to whatever the new ones were(rip 7870 and 480 8gb)
built a HTPC in 2012 with a A8-3870K and it's been serving me well since then but now that I've upgraded to a 4K TV its time to upgrade it to something that can decode 4K h265 and AV1.
the news back then were very negative,but seeing two generations of consoles and steam deck selling like it does, best investment ever intel had 2 decades to improve and try to catc up and they refused, look at how it went
got either an a8-7600 or an a10-7800 with 8gb of ddr3 and ran steam-os when that os was first released. do have to say that those apus are still decent for people on a tight budget
I used to use the overclocking feature on the drivers for my dad's a4 3420, I then bought an a8-3870K just about 4 years ago for his computer, just because it was noticeably slow. It was a decent upgrade, until I got him a more modern system and now I keep that old system for myself as a computer I sometimes use for playing old games lol. But I use my main rig mostly.
Just saw your channel It looks awesome I love how you're messing with all the older computer stuff and keeping the older stuff alive X58 was my favorite platform But AMD have my heart I love this era of computing The new computing hardware is awesome but it's just too expensive that's why I love keeping the old stuff alive 90% of what I use is old Probably the newest thing I got is my ryzen 1700 I'm watching video on an X58 system now I'm having Dull precision T 7500 rebuilt with the fastest chips everything was cheap I love keeping this old stuff alive Plus they don't make stuff like they used to My favorite laptop is the MSI GT 80 The thing's built like a tank Sorry about rambling I just love talking about hardware your channels awesome keep up the great work We need more computer channels like this Don't get me wrong I love seeing a new hardware it's fun but it's just too expensive I mean I watch all the popular ones But they're not as fun to watch anymore This is my personal Opinion That with these new computers channels I feel like I'm watching an advertisement for computer products It just gets stale sometimes Hope your channel grows I wish you all success
in 2011, I bought a lenovo e425, the highest spec APU available was a a4 dual core variant with Radeon 6480G (240 cores, 444MHz). That was all lenovo would allow me to buy in a laptop with a dedicated HD 6470M coupled. The dedicated gpu was doa actually, graphics switching wasn't all that it is today where you know what gpu you're on so I thought it might had been crossfire being dumb. It wasn't until some time later that I went to upgrade the cpu I saw the gpu was chipped in the corner. Anyway, I did get a 3820 for it, got it another stick of ram for dual channel for improved IGP performance and an ssd. After that the IGPU was faster than the dedicated anyway, so I disabled it in bios. It still was slow as hell though and the TN screen sucked hard with color reproduction. Literally, my worst experience with a pc manufacturer sabotaging a product I have ever seen, virtually DOA and from Lenovo no less.
And I had keyboard keys not responding in the bottom right corner, and the battery jiggled in the bay, tape fixed that though. I just hated it. idk man still salty
MX 4 onboard was good, we sold them as cheap gaming systems. Only needing a GTX card to upgrade it. Noforce was the best original onboard solution for cheap gaming systems !
I would love to see a YT video of just some of the Halo Reach cutscenes before and after the OC since they all run in engine. The intro to Tip Of The Spear would be cool to see maybe, or some other memorable ones
It was interesting to see such historical CPU in action! :D I wonder, prior to that CPU, in order to render simply Windows (or other OS), was in rendered only by the discrete GPU or was it drawn by CPU in software mode? Thanks for the video!
These aren't the first integrated graphics, they're just the first to meet my (arbitrary) standards for performance and feature set relative to release date
I rememeber having a Llano CPU in my green Corsair Vengeance chassis. Good times. BTW didn't these things have an AMD video card that could pair up with? 🤔
I member wanting the A8 3850 badly in 2011 to replace my X2 245, I tried finding one but its already out of stock everywhere. I had to come home with FX4100 instead and game on an integrated GPU from a mobo. What a shame.
was running a10-7860k my first oc experience was realizing i could just set the memory speed to 2400 from 1600 and loosen the timing a bit and gain 30% fps boost in bioshock infinite
FM platform was a mistake, just use AM-4/AM-5 as a universal platform for consumers, people need an upgrade path without replacing motherboards like they´re t-shirts again.
And here I am sitting with an unopened box of A8-9600, because I bought a B450 board, rather than a B350, not knowing that most 450s don't support A-series. They might have with later bios revisions, but I got an Athlon 200ge instead, since they were so cheap. I still got an eye on a cheap a320 or b350 board to come by my nose, so I can make a tiny HTPC. xD
Im still using an A-10 6800K. Only for Spotify and UA-cam, but since i bought it new over a decade ago, it was money well spend. It paired very well with the Gtx 580, great pc for battlefield 4.
We all know AMD can release, at any time, an APU that would decimate the low/mid tier dGPU sector. Their console history proves this. That they haven't is....damning.
Very good video bro! I am proud of switching to RYZEN after being an Intel Fan Boy. Now i'm a chill guy that can see that both have pros and cons, and NOW, TODAY, AMD is better than Intel, from the low to high end.
I remember seeing Llano as a proof of concept that was a brilliant first attempt but like you pointed out, did nothing to drive the CPU side back and the GPU portion wasn't quite there yet very generally just about hitting 30fps at 720p on low settings. Throwing a dedicated card in an older system (Intel or AMD based) or just going Sandybridge was the way better play by the time platform costs were considered. Unless you really needed a DGPU system Trinity was expected to be the refinement not only with AMD news new CPU architecture but also updates based on what was learnt from their first attempt. By then terrascale had run it's course and Piledriver performance was a step backwards. The process of hope repeated with Steamroller being the hopeful refinement to fix the CPU side and GCN on the GPU side going to bring GPU performance to where it needed to be In the end it was an brilliant executed product that was ultimately hamstrung by AMD of that era. The debt from buying ATI meant they couldn't execute fully on the GPU side and invest what they needed to keep up with Nvidia while on the CPU side drove them into the ground and dragged FM1 and FM2 down. Ultimately why invest in a sub par CPU when AM3+ existed if for whatever reason you chose not to go intel. Laptop was a different story as these were able to carve out bit of a niche. I remember seeking these out for a laptop at the sacrifice of Battery just for portable gaming. Ultimately the true grandfather of handhelds, the Smach Z, went a similar route for their concept which is another story of failed kickstarters and vaporware. Ultimately GPD entered the space and we now have the handheld market of today. I still have an FM2+ based A8-6600K that I turned into a youtube machine when working from home running a Pico PSU and itx VESA mountable case and board (prices for itx FM2 are stupid even second hand). trying to keep it's footprint as low as possible. Ultimately it partially worked before being rehomed in a slightly larger less practical itx case in favour of an AM4 base pro APU
Just about the only passable motherboard iGPU ive seen for its time period would be the KM400 chipset from 2003 with an S3 Unichrome packing 64MB of vram, or even the Unicrome pro. It was only just able to run games from its time period 2-3 years into the future, even then some games were not playable.
Nah, Unichrome is trash; even Intel Extreme Graphics smacked it around. VIA couldn't even be bothered to implement S3TC, that's how lazy and/or cheap they were
I never was that big of a gamer - so I was quite pleased withe my Core2Duo E8400 (4 GB DDR2 and nvida 9500GT) as a daily driver. This PC still works surprisingly well with Win 10 Pro. Then I switched to a prebuilt AMD A8 6800K. Didn't know too much about gaming PCs back then. I kinda fell for the "4 Cores, 4 GHz, Radeon Graphics!!" marketing speech. First I was pretty impressed about the performance gain, even "Cities XXL" ran quite smoothly. Bought that game while wating for "Cities: Skylines" to be published. Well ... eeew ... "C:S" was a slideshow. That disappointment started my interest in building PCs myself.
I had one of these in an HP pre built for my first actual computer. Still always a funny story for me as my mom had a computer at her place also with an athlon 64 and a gt 210. It played Minecraft significantly better lol, always remember wishing I could take the graphics from mom's PC to mine. Again it was a gt210 btw 🤣 eventually got a gtx560 and the computer was great, bf3 ultra 40-50fps 1080p but based on the topic of this video the Radeon graphics was fighting that 210!
I'll never forget the brief yet dreadful experience of running Nividia's integrated, two pixel shader solution that came with one of the nForce chipsets.
I respect Nvidia's IGPs for not making the same kind of functionality sacrifices as their peers, but yeah, the raw performance is pretty bad. They're great for CRTs though, 640x480 at 160Hz on GF6100 goes hard
@@hblankpc If you can get the janktastic Windows 98se drivers to work the GF4MX that's on the nForce2 is actually a really decent option, especially if the board has dual channel memory and can handle DDR400.
I'm still using my A6-7480 :'). Being poor is a sad experience. Paired it with a GTX 1050 (yeah i know the CPU is a bottleneck, the GPU only gets 80% utilisation) but it at least made games like Genshin more playable at 45-60 FPS on 1366x768 resolution versus only at 20 FPS at 800x600 on integrated graphics alone.
man, I used to have this CPU in 2015/2016 lol. I remember having to literally having to OC and remove so much detail from Fallout 4 (literally striping the game in the .ini) just for it to be playable. Managed to get the game to run at 50fps average but really back .1% lows. tried playing RotTR with 15fps and Alien: Isolation with about 17 fps. can't believe i still remember LMAO. I still have the chip and board too 🤣
Problem of this integrated gpus is ram bandwidth, ddr3 with 2 chanels too slow for feeding those gpus, so bottleneck of gpu performance(at least for me with 7870k) always was memory. If amd made apu with integrated hbm2 memory it would be really powerfull thing, but they havent made it and wont make since they moving away from hbm concept, at least on desktops...
Few months ago I got Xeon E3-1285L v4 with Iris Pro P6300 as its iGPU. It is actually 37.5% faster variant of Iris Pro 6200 found in Broadwell based Core i7 5775C which was already soundly beating all AMD APU's at its release including A10-7870K. This Iris is about as fast as middle end GTX 460 from 5 years prior which isn't too shabby. BTW. With this hit and run core Intel not only showed they can make excellent iGPU but also make large L4 cache for CPU cores to make it compete with much higher clocked CPU with newer core - more precisely later tests showed Broadwell at 4.2GHz was trading blows with Skylake at 5GHz. Interestingly enough strong iGPU from 5th generation was not made to beat AMD APU or make Skylake have weaker performance per clock in games but rather Apple needed stronger integrated chip for their computers so Intel while moving Hashwell from 22nm to 14nm put much stronger 48 CU (vs 20 CU) and 128MB eDRAM and having ready design they used it for desktop processors.
I can't believe the ATI AMD merger was THAT long ago. Geez.
Yeah I was instantly aged about 10 years by that. I remember when it was happening. There were rumors of them wanting to buy Nvidia at the time as well, and then the news was ATi instead. Imagine what dark alternate timeline that would have been. Maybe AMD's logo would've stayed green.
@@DigitalJedi and now Nvidia is a titan, they have the money and infraestructure to compete with amd and intel in the processor market
@@ELWESIN-tb4wy A lot of that was the drive to GPU compute after AMD and Intel refused to grant Nvidia an X86 licence. Nvidia started experimenting with ARM and produced Tegra but ultimately the push of CUDA cemented Nvidia as the main player of GPU compute
I remember reading about it in PC magazines when I was a teenager. As you can imagine, I'm not a teenager now
I still remember playing doom3 on an ATI 9200 at 640x420. Smooth as hell, best experience ever without shadows
games like apex legends refusing to launch? isn't that supposed to be a blessing
How unfortunate
I used to run an A10 with no GPU for the longest time and a few HP AIO pc's with A8's and they gamed alright. Have some good memories of them. Fast ram was a must.
i love the A-series cpus, theyre technically almost unusable by today's standards, but getting console performance in one package was more than phenominal back then. so underrated
I had an amd a10 6800k for 5 years up until today, my new cpu is the r 5 5500, it was so freaking awful, worst cpu I've ever owned EVER.
It is so interesting that 13 years have passed and cellphone cpus are even faster.
My mom's computer is my old llano and still going strong with Linux haha.
The first motherboard and CPU i flipped was a FM1-A8-3870k
Im an intel fanboy. But man those A-series chips hold a special place in my heart.
I'm still using an 2014 A8-7600 (HP elitedesk mini) as a bedroom stream box but previously used it as an emulation station.
APU made integrated graphics no longer suck and saved AMD big time
but nobody bought it, sorry...
@@lucasremit was enough to keep AMD afloat alongside the consoles until Zen so it did a _good enough_ job. They also had a not insignificant presence in laptops, however useless they were CPU wise.
@@lucasrem Nobody bought it? The Xbox One and Ps4 was powered by it, and they where both pretty succesfull consoles especially the PS4.
180 Millions~ of sales, i think that's more than enough to say that more than "nobody" bought it.
@@danymend5797 I lived that era, intel Core2/Core i architecture and AMD Bulldozer failure give AMD hard hit and lowered it reputation among its strongest fans, it would take alot courage and deep search to take what best for you
@@danymend5797yeah it’s crazy how consoles saved AMD since all the reviewers were all giving the same results, despite real life usage differed from their results.
Kinda wish AMD went harder on their APU division. It would be nice if you could get something like a mid tier GPU for starter rigs and lower cost ultra small form factor systems.
Me too. There's 0 doubt in my mind that AMD/TSMC could make a non-monolithic APU with Infinity Cache to sidestep 128-bit DDR5 bandwidth limitations, but AMD likely considers this too niche to be worth the R&D. I'd take a fully functional PS5/XSX APU too, but AMD would have to develop Windows drivers for it so that's probably not happening either :(
steamdeck ? and the up coming strix halo
@@wahdangun Those are non upgradable and are tied to very specific pieces of hardware. I'm talking about something you can build a system around like any other desktop.
@@WallaWaller for that, we need to adopt new memory standard maybe they can make socketed lpddr5x ram, for now, the most power full you can get its in ryzen 8700g and its quite powerful its almost nvdia gtx 1650 performance, but you need fast ram to maximize it
Just give us a quad channel DDR4 platform for budget APU systems. DDR5 is just RD-RAM 2, it will flop.
Many moons ago, an onboard Via S3 GPU with 32mb of shared DDR2 forced me to upgrade and buy a dedicated GPU because I had brought my guild wars 1 character into a DLC city which it just could not load. Everything else was usually double digit FPS, but my main character being stuck in the city of Rata Sum's loading screen forever put some real pressure on me. Got an Ati X1650 after that, what an insane upgrade that was!
Before APU's the integrated chipset graphics on your mobo would straight up lag trying to play gta vice city at 800x600. I know because thats how I experienced my first PC games in 2007...
i have integrated graphics on motherboard of my am3 and vice city with gta 3 was realy playble only at 480p. this shit calls nvidia 603a or smth like that.
Be fun to see the last generation of heavy equipment APUs. I recall it was Excavator, but there was some sort of generational overlap with Zen to watch for when selecting the specific SKUs and the sockets.
That'd be Stoney Ridge, with ONE Excavator+ module and 2 or 3 GCN3 compute units. I'd love to cover it but I can't justify the expense right now
I remember playing games on my first A8-7600. I was always wondering how this apu got so less publicity for its igpu. It was great for basic gaming and meanwhile save electricity. Im now rocking a Ryzen 7 5750g pairing with a 3060 12gig if i need more power. I remove the gpu if i dont need it.
My first love was the A8 which i will never forget❤️
I'm loving this CPU/GPU history channel lol
lol
I was genuinely surprised by what this IGP could do, it's a shame the CPU has to suffer for it but considering its an early APU I can forgive for that. Do appreciate you testing the video block as well 👍 I think this chip would have made a great low power HTPC setup back in the day, and sure you won't be able to play games of its time with the highest settings or anything but it gets the job done. I would have been happy to use it in a lot of late 2000s/early 2010s gaming.
oh my god its so awesome that someone finally mention about the a_series APUs, I had an A6-3620 in my childhood and for what it is its pretty good at its job and had alot of fun childhood memories with it
I'm still using an old A8-3800 in a server build, computing power-wise it's slower than my Intel laptop from 2011, but the onboard graphics are still solid even by today's standards
An A8-6410 laptop was my only rig from 2016 until 2021. The Radeon R5 was much faster than anything Intel had back then, and I had tons of fun with Skyrim LE (which with some tweaking could go much faster than your stock benchmark BTW), Doom 3, AOE3, even Deus Ex Human Revolution and others while barely generating any heat or noise. It was a decent little APU for an inexpensive laptop.
Enjoyed the video.
Had a look at your back catalogue.
Welcome back after a 5 year break 👍
I have two A10's still kicking around, a 6800k and a 7870k. The 6800k was a budget gaming build, I played Assassin's Creed IV on it at launch at 720p low settings; it's still doing duty as a media server. The 7870k is hanging around as a backup system, kind of; it's an ITX build and I remember it came together so well ~10 years ago that I just don't want to take it apart.
Never had experience with this one, but I did have a A10 Trinity. That thing was crazy powerful for someone coming from mediocre Core 2s and other old trash. It was also a complete fireball and ran stupid hot.
0:20 The lack of shaders was a misconception. The GeForce 256 had pixel shader 1.0 support with the NSR (Nvidia Shading Rasterizer) though it was not publicized until the GeForce 2.
But most games didn't take advantage of it, despite being comparable to Gamecube GPU's TEV engine, with Doom 3 being one of the few exceptions. And it actually looks like Doom 3, with most if not all of its fancy lighting effects.
I anticipated a comment like this, which is why I put "DirectX 8 compliant hardware shaders" instead of just "hardware shaders". Yes, Nvidia's OpenGL support was unprecedentedly good, but that didn't save GF4 MX's reputation
A6-3400M was better than a i3-2330M and my dad still disagreed and got that one 💀
I think your dad just wanted to discourage you from gaming
@@hblankpc it wasn't my computer actually, it was my cousin's ancient toshiba laptop and it'd keep turning off from overheating. They also replaced the 500gb hdd with a 128gb ssd which I lowkey felt bad for since he couldn't run valorant on it anymore and he lost the discrete HD 7800M 1GB in it too 💀 all it needed was a thermal paste since the a-hole have cleaned the thermal paste alongside the dust and didn't re-apply to charge more.
Like looking at old stuff. Well done video. Woukd love if you added one dGPU with an entry Level CPU for comparison in some games if you happen to have access.
another banger video from my favourite competitive Golf It player, Boris Yeltsin
"Llano would see release first for laptops, Then for desktops 2 weeks later."
Now it takes them 2 years to launch their APU's with RDNA graphics to desktop after coming to laptop.
No kidding. They're not even launching bespoke sockets these days smh
I used to have a 3870K briefly back in 2011-2012. Mine was an incredibly well overclocking chip, CPU side would easily hit 3.9GHz, while the GPU could hit just shy of 1000MHz. Was paired with RAM that was OC'd to 2000MHz iirc. It was able to play OG Skyrim at 900p medium settings at 30-40fps, which is quite a bit better than your benchmark.
That's wild. I haven't finalized my 3870K's OC but I got a dud that refuses to do much more than 3.2GHz CPU :(
I remember when there were A8 / A10 alongside a discrete graphics on lappies, I had one. the crossfire between the two was so interesting and neat. (when it worked)
i had a kaveri laptop that had a dedicated 500 gcn core gpu paired with a 500 core igpu that you could crossfire back in the day. it was always fun to tweak
I just so happen to have an Athlon Phenom II on my desk (in my hand) right now! I replaced it with a higher model just last year, and the computer is still in use, and with a 4K monitor. The one I took out still works, and is of the "Diffused in Dresden Germany" variety and served me well on an ASUS board as a main machine for over a decade. I'm toying with making it the center piece of a a belt buckle, or maybe a bolo tie clasp.
You should try benchmarking while using the unofficial AMD Nimez Driver.
In my (limited) experience the NimeZ driver for Terascale doesn't improve much, and I didn't run into any problems with the official 15.11.1 driver. I'll 100% be using it for GCN though, for some of the latest games it's a necessity
Good stuff!
Wait... Is this content? Like, real content?
Geez, I havent seen this on yt for so long.... Subbed!
I still have a PC that's running an A10 APU. I don't even use the graphics on it, but that graphics part of it still works. I have an RX 580 in that PC instead. That PC is a dual boot Linux PC with nobara Linux and endeavor OS loaded on it. It's still plays old games and the like and works just fine.
A solid video, well scripted and researched! 👏🏻 I have one of these A8 chips in an old ITX boards i bought ages ago collecting dust in the closet. It was a huge leap when it came out. I recall hellish video drivers at the time but eventually things improved..
Most people seem to associate APU graphics with "Playing Games", but they are much more useful when building a non gaming machine, as an example i wanted to build a music/video production small form factor machine with a tonne of storage, (sample libraries and HD video files are very large), using an AM4 itx motherboard i had spare which had 1 16X pcie gen 4 slot, and a Ryzen 5700g.
I used APU to drive the graphic output, (i can run up to 3 monitors from the motherboard), and put a 4 Port PCIE M.2 Adapter, NVME PCIE Adapter, M.2 Expansion Card in the 16X pcie slot, which means i now have a fully functioning, fast, efficient SFF build with 8tb (expandable), storage for the samples and video files.
Everything works as planned, and the 8 core 5700g handles everything with ease.
Freeing up a powerful pcie slot is uber useful, in home and office environments, and the CPU is even powerful enough for a bit of light gaming should you wish.
Bought one for my brother back in the day (well, it was a A6-3600 if i remember correctly), being able to play most of the game of the time at medium setting in 720P was incredible value. The HD5570 was sold around 70€ so for 30-40€ more you had a quad-core cpu, not the top of the line but still a very good one.
My only grief was that we never saw the next generation on this platform.
I rocked an A6-6310 APU based ex-corporate box for a few years. Nifty chips really.
I built an HTPC around the A6-3500 3 core processor. It was perfect for the job. Though I soon realized I just prefer watching content on my regular PC. I gave the system to a girl I know who needed a computer for office apps and she still uses it today.
Holy fuck, I remember playing Dota 2 in 2015 with Athlon 5350 (AM1 platform, single channel DRAM supported) and with HD and all low it did 15-20 fps! The bloat is so real..
I had this. The Llano apu was really good for its price. ie low cost alternative that has an igp that doesnt suck like Intel's back then. Sucked that the socket platform was very short lived.
very nice and complete video, ty!
Enthusiastic to hear ancient aliens here. you earned a sub :D
Wow, didn't expect to see you here! I think I'll go listen to the Ultimate MIDI Pack in your honor :)
@@hblankpc I'm a pc nerd, even more so with older tech. This stuff is my jam.
and heck yeah, that one was awhile ago. I got some more recent stuff on my youtube page.
Oddly enough I still have one of these setups in my collection. For some reason I havn't had the heart to part with it.
Great Video, really highlighted how great the AMD cpus were back in the day, for budget gamers, like how i was
But the thing that annoyed me, was the realisation, that the APU, which was supposed to be the Budget mans dream, is now no longer Budget, shame
I remember having a 6500 and was incredibly disappointed when I upgraded my GPU and got to play BFH's beta at 30 FPS because the CPU was so slow...
The onboard GPU is a nice backup in case your discrete graphics card blows up. Otherwise I considered it average at best. Great for desktop stuff but not very good for games. Even though it was used on millions upon millions of consoles. For high end gaming they sucked. These days the integrated chips are used in many many laptops. Though a trick they have now is to put a discrete graphics chip into the laptop for game use and use both the integrated and discrete chips as the situation permits. IE desktop stuff on the integrated chips and games and user selected apps on the discrete chip. I now have such a laptop with an integrated AMD chip and a discrete 3060 gpu with 6 GB of DDR 4 as dedicated ram with a 2k 17 inch screen and it works quite well.
The HD3200/3300 graphics that came on the 780G/790GX chipset were pretty good compared to what came before too, especially the versions with onboard sideport memory
hblank, I actually find AMD's effort to be solid one. My personal Foray into AMD was much later around 2015/16 and the FM1/+ Motherboards with the AMD A10 7850k/7860k. This was my go to for a very cheap media center and light gaming system. I personally overclocked mine to 4.2ghz/2000 FSB and 32 gigs of 2133 DDR3 Ram. (Stable 24/7) One Personal note in my fondness of the platform was the inclusion of a Nvidia GT 1030 DDR5. Thanks for the retrospect review!
The truth is I'll be honest, I used an AMD E2 1800 Apu and the truth is that despite it being very not powerful or graceful by standards, it was incredible how the radeonHD7340 could run me up to DiRT3 at a good resolution, and so on For the competition it had with Intel, they were one of the few that had the integrated north bridge, a more current PCI and even better support for dx11. It was not even a joke that the graphics card is capable of running content in 1080p, something that a Celeron or Atom was doing horrible at that time, the truth is I will never forget those attempts by AMD, the E2 still works like a champ and thanks to all this In the Ryzen mobile and Ryzen desktop series, we have the best to play on a tight budget, we owe a lot to AMD
I'd actually love to see a comparison between this iGPU and the current 780m in AMD APUs now or even AMD's new 890m just to see how far we've come
Even with the prevalence of discrete GPUs I still prefer having a CPU with an iGPU. Its a nice backup if your GPU fails, etc. I never thought of them as an actual GPU replacement, but we're getting closer!
There was a brief moment where just like this one you could run current games at low/medium with the 780g on athlon64 systems several years before this. Funnily enough, AMD stopped progressing after that chipset just like they did for "fusion"
this is a really good video about apus, plus the editing is good
I am actually currently working on an FM2 A-10 5800 build using my old chip and spare parts from other past builds. I just need to get the mobo. Something seems to be up with my old one. It is the "black edition" with a 4.2 boost, but I also wanna try hybrid crossfire with an older GPU.
They are really interesting chips! They led the way to the APUs we are seeing now. I would love to see motherboards that take VRAM dimms so you can upgrade the VRAM and not have to share slower system RAM. If that is possible, it seems like it should be, but I could see there being something that would prohibit that kind of thing that I am not aware of. Anyway, cool video. Thanks
I used r3400g up to this summer
And it rocks hard, playing re2make on onboard gpu is a marvel.
Allso I discovered that a450 chipset can allocate 4gb vram with secure boot and above 4gb remap disabled and specified ram allocation size, otherwise such option won't show up in uefi
Apu's where not designed just to slap a little GPU inside of it. Intel's biggest market offset was business PC's which needed both CPU and GPU or Videocard.
now that i have a giga rig, its nice to go back and see all these things i was doing back when i was a teenager to scrape by while my GPU had blown up and was figuring out/earning my way to whatever the new ones were(rip 7870 and 480 8gb)
A-series is such a fun CPU line for its time
5:24 Scythe cooler ❤
fast RAM and OC was the key to make Llano APUs useful, my A8-3870k still woorks good as a dev machine
The first integrated graphics that didn't suck was the nforce 2 IGP with an inbuilt GeForce 2MX. It was competitive with low end discrete cards.
built a HTPC in 2012 with a A8-3870K and it's been serving me well since then but now that I've upgraded to a 4K TV its time to upgrade it to something that can decode 4K h265 and AV1.
the news back then were very negative,but seeing two generations of consoles and steam deck selling like it does, best investment ever
intel had 2 decades to improve and try to catc up and they refused, look at how it went
Great video
AMD is still crushing it by a mile with their APU efforts. Major props to em
got either an a8-7600 or an a10-7800 with 8gb of ddr3 and ran steam-os when that os was first released. do have to say that those apus are still decent for people on a tight budget
I used to use the overclocking feature on the drivers for my dad's a4 3420, I then bought an a8-3870K just about 4 years ago for his computer, just because it was noticeably slow. It was a decent upgrade, until I got him a more modern system and now I keep that old system for myself as a computer I sometimes use for playing old games lol. But I use my main rig mostly.
Just saw your channel It looks awesome I love how you're messing with all the older computer stuff and keeping the older stuff alive X58 was my favorite platform But AMD have my heart I love this era of computing The new computing hardware is awesome but it's just too expensive that's why I love keeping the old stuff alive 90% of what I use is old Probably the newest thing I got is my ryzen 1700 I'm watching video on an X58 system now I'm having Dull precision T 7500 rebuilt with the fastest chips everything was cheap I love keeping this old stuff alive Plus they don't make stuff like they used to My favorite laptop is the MSI GT 80 The thing's built like a tank Sorry about rambling I just love talking about hardware your channels awesome keep up the great work We need more computer channels like this Don't get me wrong I love seeing a new hardware it's fun but it's just too expensive I mean I watch all the popular ones But they're not as fun to watch anymore This is my personal Opinion That with these new computers channels I feel like I'm watching an advertisement for computer products It just gets stale sometimes Hope your channel grows I wish you all success
in 2011, I bought a lenovo e425, the highest spec APU available was a a4 dual core variant with Radeon 6480G (240 cores, 444MHz). That was all lenovo would allow me to buy in a laptop with a dedicated HD 6470M coupled. The dedicated gpu was doa actually, graphics switching wasn't all that it is today where you know what gpu you're on so I thought it might had been crossfire being dumb. It wasn't until some time later that I went to upgrade the cpu I saw the gpu was chipped in the corner. Anyway, I did get a 3820 for it, got it another stick of ram for dual channel for improved IGP performance and an ssd. After that the IGPU was faster than the dedicated anyway, so I disabled it in bios. It still was slow as hell though and the TN screen sucked hard with color reproduction. Literally, my worst experience with a pc manufacturer sabotaging a product I have ever seen, virtually DOA and from Lenovo no less.
And I had keyboard keys not responding in the bottom right corner, and the battery jiggled in the bay, tape fixed that though. I just hated it. idk man still salty
I wish I could say I'm surprised, but this is exactly what I expect from low end Lenovo :(
My God, can you imagine if nVidia bought up AMD and then... what, disappeared them?
What a weird timeline that would have been.
Pixel games...
MX 4 onboard was good, we sold them as cheap gaming systems.
Only needing a GTX card to upgrade it.
Noforce was the best original onboard solution for cheap gaming systems !
I'm curious how games like Halo Reach would run on it, if you could trim the MCC bloat or whatnot. Would be cool to see with the OC!
I would love to see a YT video of just some of the Halo Reach cutscenes before and after the OC since they all run in engine. The intro to Tip Of The Spear would be cool to see maybe, or some other memorable ones
It was interesting to see such historical CPU in action! :D
I wonder, prior to that CPU, in order to render simply Windows (or other OS), was in rendered only by the discrete GPU or was it drawn by CPU in software mode?
Thanks for the video!
These aren't the first integrated graphics, they're just the first to meet my (arbitrary) standards for performance and feature set relative to release date
@@hblankpc Aha, understood.
Thank you for the reply!
I finised GTAV on A6-3500
I rememeber having a Llano CPU in my green Corsair Vengeance chassis. Good times.
BTW didn't these things have an AMD video card that could pair up with? 🤔
Yes, they called it Dual Graphics and you could use up to an HD 6670/7670 with it
I am really fascinated and trying to imagine how much difference would A8-3800 get IF that would come with AVX
RAM OCing would actually probably be the biggest boost to FPS as it is using the system RAM. So bandwidth really matters.
I still have a craptop that's running on a Llano A8-3500M with an HD 6620G IGP.
AvroBellow
Sold as Gaming Laptop ? You trusted them ????
MX 4 was meant for gamers !
I member wanting the A8 3850 badly in 2011 to replace my X2 245, I tried finding one but its already out of stock everywhere. I had to come home with FX4100 instead and game on an integrated GPU from a mobo. What a shame.
crazy that you didn't tune/OC the RAM a lot, means there's still potential in the little chip
was running a10-7860k
my first oc experience was realizing i could just set the memory speed to 2400 from 1600 and loosen the timing a bit and gain 30% fps boost in bioshock infinite
wiyandriluwisto3973
You bought a Gaming Laptop ?
Where you found that A10 ?
it was an fm2+ platform
should've gotten an i3 skylake for the price but I don't quite understand computer back then
Back when devs had to optimize, surprised apu was that good back then
FM platform was a mistake, just use AM-4/AM-5 as a universal platform for consumers, people need an upgrade path without replacing motherboards like they´re t-shirts again.
And here I am sitting with an unopened box of A8-9600, because I bought a B450 board, rather than a B350, not knowing that most 450s don't support A-series.
They might have with later bios revisions, but I got an Athlon 200ge instead, since they were so cheap.
I still got an eye on a cheap a320 or b350 board to come by my nose, so I can make a tiny HTPC. xD
My current laptop has a A8-3500M bought in 2012
Im still using an A-10 6800K.
Only for Spotify and UA-cam, but since i bought it new over a decade ago, it was money well spend.
It paired very well with the Gtx 580, great pc for battlefield 4.
That was paradigma shifter.
We all know AMD can release, at any time, an APU that would decimate the low/mid tier dGPU sector. Their console history proves this. That they haven't is....damning.
Very good video bro! I am proud of switching to RYZEN after being an Intel Fan Boy. Now i'm a chill guy that can see that both have pros and cons, and NOW, TODAY, AMD is better than Intel, from the low to high end.
Also thanks to the Ryzen iGPU I could play my games without spending thousands with a GPU
had an A10 AMD with the APU, it was pretty good.
my first amd cpu, for 2012-2018
I remember an AMD distributor gathering when it launched. They clearly said: low budget graphics cards are dead. Here is why:
they said, before proceeding to ship HD 6450 variants for another 4 years
Jokes aside, I'd love to hear other stories like that!
I remember seeing Llano as a proof of concept that was a brilliant first attempt but like you pointed out, did nothing to drive the CPU side back and the GPU portion wasn't quite there yet very generally just about hitting 30fps at 720p on low settings. Throwing a dedicated card in an older system (Intel or AMD based) or just going Sandybridge was the way better play by the time platform costs were considered. Unless you really needed a DGPU system
Trinity was expected to be the refinement not only with AMD news new CPU architecture but also updates based on what was learnt from their first attempt. By then terrascale had run it's course and Piledriver performance was a step backwards. The process of hope repeated with Steamroller being the hopeful refinement to fix the CPU side and GCN on the GPU side going to bring GPU performance to where it needed to be
In the end it was an brilliant executed product that was ultimately hamstrung by AMD of that era. The debt from buying ATI meant they couldn't execute fully on the GPU side and invest what they needed to keep up with Nvidia while on the CPU side drove them into the ground and dragged FM1 and FM2 down. Ultimately why invest in a sub par CPU when AM3+ existed if for whatever reason you chose not to go intel.
Laptop was a different story as these were able to carve out bit of a niche. I remember seeking these out for a laptop at the sacrifice of Battery just for portable gaming. Ultimately the true grandfather of handhelds, the Smach Z, went a similar route for their concept which is another story of failed kickstarters and vaporware. Ultimately GPD entered the space and we now have the handheld market of today.
I still have an FM2+ based A8-6600K that I turned into a youtube machine when working from home running a Pico PSU and itx VESA mountable case and board (prices for itx FM2 are stupid even second hand). trying to keep it's footprint as low as possible. Ultimately it partially worked before being rehomed in a slightly larger less practical itx case in favour of an AM4 base pro APU
Just about the only passable motherboard iGPU ive seen for its time period would be the KM400 chipset from 2003 with an S3 Unichrome packing 64MB of vram, or even the Unicrome pro. It was only just able to run games from its time period 2-3 years into the future, even then some games were not playable.
Nah, Unichrome is trash; even Intel Extreme Graphics smacked it around. VIA couldn't even be bothered to implement S3TC, that's how lazy and/or cheap they were
@@hblankpc Yeah, Via did S3 Dirty...
I never was that big of a gamer - so I was quite pleased withe my Core2Duo E8400 (4 GB DDR2 and nvida 9500GT) as a daily driver. This PC still works surprisingly well with Win 10 Pro. Then I switched to a prebuilt AMD A8 6800K. Didn't know too much about gaming PCs back then. I kinda fell for the "4 Cores, 4 GHz, Radeon Graphics!!" marketing speech. First I was pretty impressed about the performance gain, even "Cities XXL" ran quite smoothly. Bought that game while wating for "Cities: Skylines" to be published. Well ... eeew ... "C:S" was a slideshow. That disappointment started my interest in building PCs myself.
I had one of these in an HP pre built for my first actual computer. Still always a funny story for me as my mom had a computer at her place also with an athlon 64 and a gt 210. It played Minecraft significantly better lol, always remember wishing I could take the graphics from mom's PC to mine. Again it was a gt210 btw 🤣 eventually got a gtx560 and the computer was great, bf3 ultra 40-50fps 1080p but based on the topic of this video the Radeon graphics was fighting that 210!
I'll never forget the brief yet dreadful experience of running Nividia's integrated, two pixel shader solution that came with one of the nForce chipsets.
I respect Nvidia's IGPs for not making the same kind of functionality sacrifices as their peers, but yeah, the raw performance is pretty bad. They're great for CRTs though, 640x480 at 160Hz on GF6100 goes hard
@@hblankpc If you can get the janktastic Windows 98se drivers to work the GF4MX that's on the nForce2 is actually a really decent option, especially if the board has dual channel memory and can handle DDR400.
I bet using a lightweight Linux distro would help this APU even more
AMD and Intel could have brought console performance on their integrated graphics... That would be cool.
That's basically what these A8s did, and A6s too if you overclocked them
I'm still running an A10-7860K. ...Not by choice, but because I'm poor.
I bought it for the onboard graphics so I could buy a GPU later, which I did.
Same, still using since 2015 a10-7870k, with later added rx570 gpu.
I'm still using my A6-7480 :'). Being poor is a sad experience. Paired it with a GTX 1050 (yeah i know the CPU is a bottleneck, the GPU only gets 80% utilisation) but it at least made games like Genshin more playable at 45-60 FPS on 1366x768 resolution versus only at 20 FPS at 800x600 on integrated graphics alone.
man, I used to have this CPU in 2015/2016 lol. I remember having to literally having to OC and remove so much detail from Fallout 4 (literally striping the game in the .ini) just for it to be playable. Managed to get the game to run at 50fps average but really back .1% lows. tried playing RotTR with 15fps and Alien: Isolation with about 17 fps. can't believe i still remember LMAO. I still have the chip and board too 🤣
Problem of this integrated gpus is ram bandwidth, ddr3 with 2 chanels too slow for feeding those gpus, so bottleneck of gpu performance(at least for me with 7870k) always was memory.
If amd made apu with integrated hbm2 memory it would be really powerfull thing, but they havent made it and wont make since they moving away from hbm concept, at least on desktops...
Few months ago I got Xeon E3-1285L v4 with Iris Pro P6300 as its iGPU. It is actually 37.5% faster variant of Iris Pro 6200 found in Broadwell based Core i7 5775C which was already soundly beating all AMD APU's at its release including A10-7870K. This Iris is about as fast as middle end GTX 460 from 5 years prior which isn't too shabby.
BTW. With this hit and run core Intel not only showed they can make excellent iGPU but also make large L4 cache for CPU cores to make it compete with much higher clocked CPU with newer core - more precisely later tests showed Broadwell at 4.2GHz was trading blows with Skylake at 5GHz.
Interestingly enough strong iGPU from 5th generation was not made to beat AMD APU or make Skylake have weaker performance per clock in games but rather Apple needed stronger integrated chip for their computers so Intel while moving Hashwell from 22nm to 14nm put much stronger 48 CU (vs 20 CU) and 128MB eDRAM and having ready design they used it for desktop processors.
37.5% faster based on what? It looks the same as Iris Pro 6200 to me