How to tie the Back to back grinner (UK) knot
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- Опубліковано 31 січ 2012
- How to tie the back to back grinner knot (or Uni knot). A clear and simple to follow how-to video so that you can use this knot to connect leaders and join two pieces of line together.
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One of the best knot tying videos, makes it incredibly simple
I've looked at so many videos on this but just couldn't do it, but the way you create the loop THEN lay that up against the piece of line you're joining makes it so much simpler!
Thankyou, I can finally confidently tie this knot!
Great vid, been using this knot for years and its never let me down! Thanks
Gotta be the best instructional vid I've seen on this knot got it straight away many thanks cheers for upload
Best vid on the grinner knot in my opinion!
Perfect articulation 🙌🏼
Excellent video Miles, as I don't tie this knot that often I always refer to it when tying. One thing I've noticed on large diameter differences, for eg 20lb main line 60lb leader, was that 7 turns with the thick line and 12 with the thin line gave the best results I spent a couple of days during the first lockdown doing various testing! Also found that as per the "Tackle Box" stats, most braids break at around 60% to 80% of their claimed breaking strains.
Very clear Myles ,Thanks!
Just got into Spodding, will be doing this knot shortly with my 20lb Spomb Braid and 50lb Spomb Leader.
Fantastic instructional videos, they have helped me so much with my knot tying, thank you.
That's great to hear and thanks for the comments. Please share my videos on social media if you can. It helps me to do more.
Great video, so simple to follow and managed to do it like a charm, thanks.
Thanks it really helped i was having trouble with the uni to uni
Thanks, glad you liked it.
This is the back to back uni knot.(double uni)
I am doing ten years such knots :-)
Yes, good choice of knot for your situation.
Good video. And it doesnt cut into itself does it? Id like to try this for connecting 50lb braid to 20lb fluoro for bass fishing.
yep perfect for that
Awesome explanation even for a dummy like me.
Hi Myles i've been using just loop to loop connections for tying my hooklengths to mainline which i learned from your videos. Hooklengths are 2.6lb breaking strain mono tied to 4lb mono mainline. Are these loop to loop connections always fine to use for tying two lines together regardless of the diameter or type of line? when might i need to use this back to back grinner or blood knot? your videos really are the best everything explained and clearly displayed with the camera perfectly. Has helped me massively cheers.
Hi, I'm glad the videos are a help and thanks for the feedback. Ok so for light mono lines that are of similar diameter such as the ones you are using I suggest you use loop to loop connections. With a little practice you'll get the loops nice and small. Either a perfection loop or a simple overhand knot. If you are testing you're tackle to the limit I'd go with the perfection loops. Back to back grinners are great in all lines of similar diameter to each other. Blood knots are great in fluorocarbon and mono of similar diameter. When you have one really stiff thick line (including single strand wire) and more supple line or braid you can use an Albright knot. I hope that helps and not confuses you. Cheers and Happy New Year!
Thanks Myles and yea i've had a fair bit of practice since i first saw your video on the Perfection Loop so now i know how to make the loops to the sizes i want them by just pulling on the second loop round my thumbnail so it comes right up to the tip of my thumbnail so its nice and small. Have since made quite a few hooks to nylon and i always use the Perfection loop. At some point i may well tie lines of significantly different diameter but i dont know why i would bother, all i do now is connect my mainline to hook to nylon via loop to loop and thats it, and all my hooks to nylon have loops on them so i'd never tie those with anything but a loop to loop.
Can you give me an example of when i'd have to use a back to back grinner/blood/albright knot? are these just for more complicated rigs most associated with just specimen Carp fishing? at the moment i just coarse fish with light gear and so far my biggest fish has been just under 3lb but i can see myself plunging into proper Carp fishing at some point. Happy new year to you too and tight lines!
Hi, Yes for the type of fishing you are currently doing, loop to loop connections are great. To be honest, for general carp fishing a grinner knot to connect your mainline to a swivel and your hook link to the other end of it will be all you need. Back to back knots would only really be used for shockleaders when casting at very long range. There are some clever connectors which allow you to simply tie a loop in the end of your hook link. Then only a simple grinner or blood knot is needed to attach your mainline to a lead core or similar leader or just to a swivel. There are so many ways to skin a cat so to speak. They all catch fish!
Cheers Myles you have me wondering about shockleaders, what are they used for? and with leadcore is that just used to help a heavy rig stay pinned to the surface?
Great videos, ery helpful! :) So what kind of a knot do u suggest to tie together a 0,15mm braid (28lbs) to a 0,34mm (22,5lbs) fluorcarbon line? Thank you!
Hi, I would use a back to back blood (or clincher) knot. You'll find the tag ends sit in the middle of the knot and slide through the rings really nicely.
What would you recommend for a braided mainline to flouro leader?
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This tie is perfect for jigging?
This looks like a strong knot but it seems the albright knot is a smaller knot which I find quite strong
Hi Fred, The Albright is a good knot, but designed for when you are tying a very thick stiff line to a thin or supple line. Please se the video about Albright knots on my channel. The back to back grinner is stronger if you want to tie lines of more similar diameter. There are a lot of different knots used in fishing and that is for a reason they are all best for a certain situation and so knowing when to use what knot is very important.
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HI Myles what knot would you recommend for mono mainline braid shock leader.
Hi, I think the back to back blood/clinch knot is best for the following reason. The tag ends of the knots leave the knot at the centre of it as opposed to the leading edge of the knot. It seems to go through the guides better. It's just as strong as a back to back grinner but just casts a bit better. It's what Mark Hutchinson and I used always. Remember the number of turns in the knot is to do with the diameter and 'slipperyness' of the lines. So 10lb mono mainline would have 5 turns and 50lb Arma Kord would be ok with 5 or 6 but a more slippery braid would need 7 - 10 turns. You'll need to experiment a little but 10lb mono and 50lb Arma Kord I can recommend.
hi, what knot would you recommend for joining a fluorocarbon shockleader to a mono mainline?
Either a back to back blood knot if the diameters are similar. If they are very different then an albright knot is best. I've got videos of both on my channel. Just take a look.
Thanks
thanks myles I will check your channel out
Thanks for the feedback Martin. If there's other knots or tips you'd like to see let me know. Please take a look at the other knots on my channel. If you like any of them please feel free to share them.
Is this knot ok for 50ILb arma kord to whiplash 28.4ILb 5 turns on each knot ?
Good knot for this but I'd do 5 turns in the Arma Kord and 7 or 8 in the whiplash
Myles Gascoyne thanks for the speedy
Reply and thanks for your help myles
myles which knot would you recommend for flouro to the hook
alan richardson The blood knot
thanks for 16lb fluoro 5 turns ok
alan richardson yes five would be fine
thank you
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Confused here, grinner is different from the uni,, this is a uni to uni knot, the grinner starts like a blood knot, then loop and the same amount of turns back over like the uni, creating a stronger, neater knot. Please correct me if I am wrong though
Elliott Green . General consensus is the Grinner knot is the same as the Uni, same knot, different continents, same application, same great holding power! Hope that clears up any confusion. Regards Clive from deepest Dorset
Hi we call it double uni knot
I know Mario. Everywhere else in the world calls in a Uni knot or Universal knot but for some reason in the UK it's called a grinner. Go figure!
I know in the rest of the world it's called a double uni knot but in the UK it's called a double grinner. I have worked in fishing all over the world including the US and I know it's the same knot. It is in UK fishing books, magazines etc and has been for years. I'm afraid teaching a nation to call a knot by something different is beyond me!