Edward Was Worse Than We Thought | Midnight Sun Review
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2021
- Midnight Sun was a chance to recontextualize Edward Cullen's creepy behavior. Instead, Meyer made him so much worse.
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No one hated Edward’s character more that Robert Patterson and I can sleep easy knowing that
God yeah. He got the Megan fox treatment. His character COULD have a lot of depth and interest, but instead he was created to be the most generic target for the female gaze imaginable.
@@spigney4623 it worked though, lol. Me and my friends didn't care about personality, we just wanted a wealthy hot guy who gave us whatever we wanted and looked so good that's all you could think about 😂 and yeah, Edward was that guy in our fantasy hahaha
@@sweettea1193 hey at least you got the backbone to admit it!😉
Yet men are 'apparently' the only ones who objectify the opposite sex...
I bet he's the one who leaked the chapters back in the day lmao. I mean it makes sense- he hates twilight and he was the first to read it being the actor for edward cullen and all.
Robert saved us from a terrible fate for 12 long years
It's so funny that Edward was partially intruiged by Bella because he couldn't read her mind but we've literally been inside her mind and know exactly how dull it is in there.
Edward thinks bella is not boring like other girls cause, unlike us, he can't see how boring and bland sje is.
If he could have read her mind he'd have probably thought "I have been reading it all along. There's just nothing in here."
Head empty no thoughts
he literally is reading it it’s just fucking empty
@@annarogers8545 You think her only personality and character trait being "obsessed with Edward" isn't boring? And make no mistake it is obsession not love. If it was love she'd be interested in him for more reasons than looks and sex. Nor would she respond to being broken up with by trying to kill herself. Calling a boring character boring isn't toxic.
42:57 “Like a stalker. An obsessed stalker. An obsessed vampire stalker” to me sounds like “The poison. The poison for Kuzco. The poison chosen especially to kill Kuzco. Kuzco’s poison.” 😅
I love thus comment.
🤣🤣🤣 literally so spot on mate 👌 hahaha
The only difference is when Yzma said it, it was funny
God nobody edited this book 🤣
"that poison?"
Do I not like Twilight? Yes
Do I avoid anything involved in Twilight? Yes
Did I know Midnight Sun was a real thing? No
Am I going to watch a 2.5 hr video about how bad a book I've never read is? Pass the popcorn
Honestly, same.
Agree 🤣
I've been watching hours and hours worth of book reviews of things I've never read for a while now. It usually advances my vocabulary, keeps me in a zone between distracted but still able to focus (I struggle to focus on a single thing without something else to occasionally look to, but sometimes a book is too interesting or a reviewer is too funny so I get sucked in), provides entertainment, and allows me to go on a rant of why a book is either absolutely incredible or deserving of death.
@@Josephine_de_Beauharnais1763 i love krimson so much. I loathe most of the booktuber and booktok spaces and only he can help keep my sanity.
I have guilt just for owning the host book (by the same person)
"Mike Newton is a bad person for harboring idle fantasies about Bella. Now let me tell you about how I fantasized about killing an entire room of schoolchildren." -Edward Cullen, teen heartthrob
Unless Edward actually described Mike's fantasies I'm going to believe they were something like holding hands after curfew on a Sunday.
Mike Newton is my favorite human character if only because his van almost killed Bella.
@@thegreatstoneddragon9432 Ummm, it was Tyler's van that almost killed her. And then he showed up to Bella's house on prom night, even though he'd never asked her to prom, just told everyone else they were going together.
🤣
Edwards thoughts sound better that mike’s.
I heard a great description of Bella recently: "She's like a bull: She sees a red flag and she runs at it."
Hahahaha
like trisha paytas .
was it the pitchmeeting video from screenrant? xD its good, remember them saying this at least
@@Tropicanine That's the one. Absolutely nailed the character!
I actually just saw that too! Thought it was so crazy I had just heard it at the same time!
Okay but can we not talk about how Edward describes her? It’s like he’s constantly insulting her. From the “melted brown” eyes to the “seaweed hair” and how he ALWAYS calls her fragile and breakable.
The freakiest is “translucent skin”, like she’s made out of glass and we can see the veins and organs underneath.
@@some_metalhead well she's supposed to be very pale wouldn't that just be used as a descriptor?
The only couple with the right to use "seaweed" as a pet name is Percy and Annabeth.
I take it as a mark of pride that no man has ever described me as fragile or breakable. That's not how I want to be seen
@@francofernandes2006 percabeth my beloved 🙏💙
I think the biggest mistake here was retelling Twilight instead of having Edward narrate his life story. Like, what if after Breaking Dawn, Bella wanted to know more about his past, so he wrote it down for her, memoir style?
Fr i would've loved to see the Cullens' family dynamic
Refusing to flesh out Edward's backstory is such a missed opportunity. Guy was turned into a vampire in 1918 (according to Wikipedia). That means he lived through both world wars, The roaring twenties, the Great depression, the hippie movement, Vietnam, and essentially everything else in the twentieth century.
Yet we're supposed to believe he's never been in love or even had sex before Bella? That he has no human connections or people that he misses from any point in his life? It's like they turned him into a vampire and immediately put him in cryo-stasis for a hundred years. The story doesn't even acknowledge his age really.
He could be fifty, or even thirty, instead of a hundred and nothing about the plot would change.
The only logical explanation I can see here is that they pulled a DIO and trapped him inside a coffin in some really isolated place during all these years, but I dunno, I've don't really know what's exactly going on the books
The opportunity for Edward to mix a whole bunch of slang together in seeming ignorance of the way times have changed and words have fallen out of favor is hilarious and of course it means Meyer wouldn't write it.
But aside from that, it's really stupid that the "reason" for Edward to not have any sex or love before Bella was because he could read every other girl's mind and thus their shallow thoughts of him, which is hokey given that Bella has the _exact same_ shallow thoughts as the other girls, he just doesn't know about it. Ex: "his breath made my mouth water".
While I can't explain his pre-vampire, it seems that the venom would be enough to avoid relationships with humans, he could accidentally turn/kill his partner.
If this wasn't Meyers, Ed could have some lost love he couldn't be with because of this or maybe lost someone pre-vampire. But since it is Meyers, Ed is just an angst-powered robot waiting for Bella.
@@ultimamage3 I am now imagining Edward going to school as the hello fellow kids meme and it's making me happy
But she'd have to do some actual research for that.
Ed: "Bella was good through and through"
Bella: *gaslights, manipulates and traumatizes the living fuck out of her own >actually good< dad*
She also brags about how much better she supposedly is than all the other students in the school.
She's a good Christian girl....who married a vampire and damned her soul by becoming one too (I don't know if it was permanent, I just like making fun of these books I'll never read.)
Charlie was the only sane human character in the whole series and he deserved better than being stuck with a crappy failed past relationship haunting him, a daughter that's awful to him, and a town that makes utterly no sense if you're just trying to be a normal single parent ekking out as decent a life as you can. Poor dude did not deserve the insanity of Forks.
@Gary Allen And that's what I'll do.
the gaslight gatekeep girlboss herself
Ed plotting how he would snap everyone's necks is EXACTLY something Onision would write. Point for point, that was probably in one of his horrid books.
“Nothing personnel, kid”
It probably could work if it was a spur of the moment thing
And then he beats himself up over it
And it fits perfectly too given how krimson has reviewed (and shit on) every single one of his books
oh god you're right, Edward is just an attractive Onision.
All your missing is a superiority complex
"But Ed can't tell a story, he's too busy overthinking literally every thing" never have I related more to a character in twilight
Yeah the overthinking part I do too😅
There's overthinking
Then there's Edward
@@RinLockhart There's overthinking
Then there's us
THEN there's How to beat
*And then* there's Edward
@@arkkon2740 what? what's how to beat?
@@RinLockhart its basically a dude trying to figure out how to get through a movie either as fast or as efficiently as possible, pretty cool premise
In a way, the fact that she apparently let Robert Patterson read a few chapters makes Ed's movie scenes make more sense. The classroom scene where he looked constipated slash murderous makes a lot more sense with the realization that he wasn't trying to show Ed falling for Bella- he was trying to show the guy being a psychopath and planning the murder of everyone in the room.
I just thought he was imitating an angry Karen
Honestly. That scene still sticks out to me because he simply looked constipated and angry at the world.
Why not make him look around. Maybe show a fang to someone. Put his head to the table and grab his hair? Have him stand up suddenly, have the chair slam to the floor and then have him run out of the room???
@@idislikemints Dude it's Twilight, do you think anyone even associated with it would ever think of something like that?
@@tyroneblackmann I KNOW i was just saying. Even though it is Twilight and all the pubescent girls were reading and loving it, doesn't mean it cannot be 0.1% better. Literally, throwing 2 sentences in there could have cleared soooo much of the bs.
Once more, Robert Pattinson continues to be a great actor. 👍🏻
That scene where Ed is thinking about and describing how he'd kill the whole classroom by breaking everyone's necks in five seconds is giving me real strong onision vibes.
Maybe the book is not actually under-edited, but instead edited by Onision as they became friends?
Ed is trained in gorilla warfare, you know.
@@TheDanishGuyReviews do you mean guerrilla warfare, or does he literally pound his chest multiple times and then fling his own poop at the enemy?
@@TheNeonugget It's a reference. But l wouldn't put it past Ed to shit in someone's mouth as an intimidation tactic.
@@TheDanishGuyReviews I did figure it was at least intentional but I was torn between asking for clarification and making a joke about Ed throwing fecal matter. We all know how that decision went in the end, lol.
What’s funny is that Ed accused Mike of creating a generic Bella in his mind that doesn’t exist, but that’s also exactly what he does. He thinks he knows her by judging her actions, but since he can’t read her mind, he doesn’t realize that her thoughts are petty, immature, and up her own ass most of the time. We the readers know that all she does is mope and complain when she’s not gushing over the white savior Cullens.
I mean, he probably can't even fathom the idea of someone as petty and immature as Bella.
Makes me wonder what he'd think of Bella if he could read her mind.
@@yennefer440 Ed: You don't love me. You don't love Jacob either. You love me because of what I can give you. You only "loved" Jacob because he was male and a monster.
There's a fanfic of Twilight on Das_Sporking where he even confronts Bella about her obsession with vampirism, and it is GLORIOUS.
@@everlastingdragon4520 wait a minute, das sporking is still writing stuff? haven't seen an update in nearly a decade
I've recently started rereading twilight and jfc she simply doesn't care about _anybody_ then suddenly wants to be part of the Cullen's life for some reason. She definitely cares more about them than her own parents.
I just realized, this could have been the best bait and switch ever. If she purposefully kept things the same, with only Edward's internal monologue to differ things and then changes events so that Bella really does get hurt in the meadows, it would've been great. It could have been that she does die and the Cullen's go on the run, having Charles investigate them and hunt them down, starting a life-long cat and mouse game that ends in death only.
Then the scene changes to that of the meadow again, this time Edward changes Bella into a vampire and they have to be careful not to reveal their secret, ending up with her killing everyone in town from blood lust and the vampire mafia coming to clean up. Then it goes back to the meadow scene again and this time Bella dies because James and co find her and kill them both.
Then the novel ends with Alice, who isn't psychic, but can see the multiverse and visit them, which allows her to figure out what needs to be done. That's why her powers are sporadic or inconsistent. It's not that she doesn't know, it's that she is trying to figure out what choices lead to what outcomes and how best to navigate the multiverse.
I just realized this is a strange mixture of Michael Crichton and Stephanie Meyer and I apologize for it.
This one comment has more care and attention put into it than the entire Twilight series.
That sounds like an amazing idea and I'm angry I'm not a good enough writer to make such a story.
Ha, I would read that
Honestly I love it
Please write a fanfiction then send the link. That sounds amazing.
The fact that Meyer considers this an exploration of Edward's mindset and how he supposedly "fell in love" with Bella when it reads like the thoughts of a serial killer stalking a potential victim amazes me.
Like honestly, Edward's powers and how he reacts to the one person who he's ever met that they don't work on could have been a really interesting idea on showing the difference between infatuation and actual love. It could have been a interesting story about how he gets so attached to Bella because his mind is his own and he's not being bombarded with the thoughts of everyone around him and how that could negativly affects his perception of her. Combine that with Bella's self esteem issues it could have been a really interesting story about a toxic first romance that you can't help but hold onto. But no we got the "perfect romance with absolutely no issues tm." instead.
Cinema therapy said that he's only with her to keep his pantry full
Meyer is one weird individual.
I'm reminded of the Dobler-Dahmer Theory from How I Met Your Mother.
@@geckokid8265 And in the words of Dominic Noble Edward was always one sniff away from drinking Bella like a Dr Pepper.
I think my biggest issue with Twilight is that it could've been set in college and realistically would have made more sense than a high school setting would. The Cullen's could easily just collect degrees in different subjects instead of going to high school. That way they could spend time around actual adults and not have to be bored out of their mind every day like Edward describes. Then it would have been slightly (and I say slightly because it would still be creepy for a hundred year old to hit on a college student) more understandable for him to be in a relationship with Bella since she would be an adult. It really makes me uncomfortable that Stephanie Mayer would write a book about a much older man praying on a high school girl, especially in a time where young girls are so sexualized and prayed on.
ALWAYS thought that!!!! it would make a million times more sense
Well, she's a morman
Mormon girls don't attend university
But then Meyer would have to either go to school and/or study about school subjects.
And also how could she ever possibly explain the reasoning for Edward and Bella to be in the same class unless the school had courses like Boringness 101 or Pretentiousity 101
Small correction: The story of Persephone does explain the seasons, but it was Demeter, not Persephone that was responsible for the seasons. Demeter was the goddess of the harvest and Persephone's mother, when Hades took her daughter, Demeter neglected to tend to the Earth and the mortals began to starve. Trees and plants die during fall and winter because Demeter misses her daughter.
This right here. In addition, Persephone is almost universally seen as "more scary" than Hades in Greek mythology to the point that they didn't want to say her name lest they attract her attention.
So Charlie would let criminals and vampires overrun the town 6 months a year.
And her original name was Kore. She became Persephone after becoming Hades's wife.
@@oddeyes9413 that is not the thought process of scholars. Persephone far outdated hades in worship and had her own cult. The underworld ditties were to be feared and it was thought saying their name would draw their attention thus the name "Kore" (which just means maiden) was used as a placeholder and they think persephone was her actual name.
@@oddeyes9413Youre getting that from Hades the game, which took some liberites.
Stephanie Meyer should have taken inspiration from Nordic Mythology instead of Greek. The story of Balder is far more fitting than the story of Persephone. Think about it, Balder actually dies and cannot ever return to the living. All things living tried to keep him alive, much like the many people protecting Bella, and in the end, one mistake, an overlooked mistletoe, was what killed him, sent by one who was jealous (Loki) and another who did not know better (Hoder). Edward could have thought he was Loki all the time, manipulating those around him, then have an epiphany, where he realises Victoria is Loki and James is Hoder, manipulated by the jealous Victoria, and he does whatever he can not to end up being Hel in the parallel. The mistletoe is also much better for this analogy, since its effect is irreversible, it kills in the story, it is sharp (like vampire fangs), and there is a kissing connotation, just like there is with vampire bites. I’m kinda excited about this nonexistent version with Nordic Mythology now.
I would 100% read that fanfiction. Especially if it rids the story of much of the toxicity meyers left in it.
Damnnnnnnnnnn write that book, honey!
I don't actually want to write Twilight fanfiction, sorry guys.
This small blurb is already more involved and impassioned than midnight sun 🤣
or she could have simply gotten inspiration from a different greek myth
I love that you call him ed. It's so casual and makes him sound so unimportant and uninteresting as a character, which is 100% appropriate.
Eds of the world cry in a corner.
Ed Warren and Sheeran punching air rn
what about Eddie, Eddy and Ed?
That’s why I personally like to call him Eddie Boi when he’s being even more annoying
@@Alexia-vi7gp thought that was just my brain lmao
Despite how old Meyer's gotten- she still manages to write like a teen on wattpad.
I was thinking the exact same thing 😭😭
dude I was a teen on Wattpad and I can tell you I've seen better than this.
@@WyvernTheLost I was going to say, I've seen a lot better writing on there xD
@@bekleedee honestly, someone on Wattpad could rewrite every Twilight novel without any writing experience and the result would still be better than the originals.
@@SlimJimDevourer so very true. Hell, I'm pretty sure my 10yo could write something better. Though he would probably add drifting and Godzilla.
My favorite reveal from Midnight Sun was how Edward didn't even consider Bella as a romantic partner until Alice had her vision of either Bella being killed by Ed or being his mate. All this were still subject to change depending on what Edward or Bella decides. He was so heavily influenced by this vision that he decided to pursue her romantically instead. It wasn't true love.
If you have a liberal worldview that is true. However if you are a hardcore christian, it may be one and the same. There is a real horrible but extremely popular christian romance novel out there in which the (male) main character also doesn't want anything to do with his love interest until God himself tells him that she is the right one for him and that when he starts to pursue her.
I suspect there may be something similar at play here for Edward. He doesn't consider Bella until an outside force, in this case Alice, nudges him to do so. It's still true love though because it really doesn't matter what Edward wants in the beginning, once he starts to be with Bella he'll be happy none the less. It is true love, even if he doesn't know it at the time.
@@ani_kiku I get your point, but that does not take Bella's choices into consideration, and it negates this huge point that Meyer championed in the midst of all the criticism Twilight was getting. If Edward actually chose to be neutral and maintain his distance like what he did when he stayed with the Denali coven, Bella could have had a different life. She could have gotten over her budding interest in Edward, and it was within Edward's power to stay away (he also kept going on about doing the right thing for the sake of his family, but he never actually did). Plus, the whole premise of the first book is literally "what could young, "plain", and inexperienced Bella do against something so beautiful and mysterious as Edward?", he confused then overwhelmed her after the vision and she never stood a chance. Seems like Bella's choices only matter when she's choosing Edward.
I don't really see Alice as a good "nudge" because it was presented to Edward (and us) as an either or scenario despite the vision being subject to change depending on the choice made. It's more like an ultimatum. Edward chose to act on that vision instead of the option to stay away for a bit longer and do what's best for everyone. To me it feels like since Edward didn't really want to kill innocent people, he convinced himself that he can fall in love with Bella if that's what he chose and proceeded to completely throw himself in that direction because that was the better alternative. The whole vision dictated it. Granted, he probably did fall in love with Bella later on, but knowing the back story made it seem even more problematic and quite inorganic.
With God, you don't really have a choice if that's what's written for you. With Alice's visions, you do.
@@belleretiredaccount There is the fact that Alice reveals later (Prior to the Meadow) that she had seen a vision while he was gone. One where he comes back to hunt Bella because the smell of her blood just would not leave him and eventually that won out over his curiosity and his desire to be good. Also Alice's powers seem to spike into near omniscience at times because she is suppose to have bought the shirt Edward uses for the meadow reveal two years prior even though it shows way to much skin and is not something she normally would buy for anyone but shekept it saying "It just looked nice, who knows you might need it someday" and its like... how fucking powerful is she actually?
@@TheLastSane1 Yes but that did not even come true because Edward did not come back to kill Bella, his curiosity did win over but we also have to keep in mind that Edward is already armed with the knowledge that he can also choose to make her his mate. It's like Edward's testing the waters and maybe even the limits of his restraint. By the time they get to the meadow Bella was literally confessing his love to Edward already which kinda acts as his way out too. It's always left so ambiguous as to whether what Edward says and thinks is tipping on either love or his desire for Bella's blood, which then makes it even more disturbing if you think about it lol. "I don't have the strength to stay away from you anymore", but why exactly?
My hopes for Midnight Sun was that we will get more fleshed out Cullens because tbh there's lots of interesting stuff in there and it's unfortunate that most of these avenues went unexplored. On the other hand there's a bit in me that kinda don't want to know more because what if the explanations we get for those interesting bits don't make sense again lol. If Stephenie goes ahead with her plans to write two more Twilight books, I hope we get a different focus. I would personally love to see the rise and fall of the Romanian coven!
@@belleretiredaccount that’s valid. I enjoyed seeing Jasper use his powers in cool and inventive ways. Seeing how Alice can pre-plan the entire event of the staged hotel out and see just how odd it would be to feel like you had already loved it and then have to do it again.
It’s kind of a beautiful thing, most of us who grew up obsessed with Twilight still are, but it’s so fun to rip on how bad this is. This video has me in tears laughing, your pure disdain is so perfect for how absurd the story is. And I’ll admit I bought it the day it came out and devoured it in a couple of days gleefully, and I loved it. But it’s also terrible, indulgent teenage fantasy. Wonderful garbage
I agree if you approach it as a "guilty pleasure" you know like entertainment junk food then go for it but I remember having students who truly wanted a boyfriend like Edward, they aspired to that sort of toxic relationship 😕
@@Sherry-jn5zn That's the thing that worried me too. Then 50 Shades came along and upped the ante on that aspect, making it even worse by adding the BDSM (it's _not_ BDSM, it's just pure abuse). I know a lot of people defended both by claiming "well of _course_ girls and women know it's only fantasy" but that line blurs with people with low self-esteem (I mean, obviously they know vampires aren't real, but the romance/sex angle). That's the thing that worried me too. Then 50 Shades came along and upped the ante on that aspect, making it even worse by adding the BDSM (it's _not_ BDSM, it's just pure abuse). I know a lot of people defended both by claiming "well of _course_ girls and women know it's only fantasy" but that line blurs with people with low self-esteem (I mean, obviously they know vampires aren't real, but the romance/sex angle). And unfortunately, there's an overabundance of women with low self-esteem, especially in the U.S (the _why_ there are so many is a much longer conversation).
But GOD, at least Myers isn't as bad at writing as E.L James (I actually quite liked The Host, and more recently, The Chemist). I genuinely do not understand why, of all the fanfiction to exist, _she_ got published. I could understand if the sex scenes were well written, but they aren't! At all! It makes me wonder if she sold her soul or something.
@Star Hunter. This is actually really interesting. Why do you think there’s such an abundance of women with low self esteem in the US in particular? I’m always curious about dynamics that are specific to American culture, especially gender since American media gets exported across the entire West in bulk.
I have noticed American women tend to speak with an accent that has more insecure intonations (ending sentences on a high note, using constant fillers) but I’ve always been unsure about why this is.
I totally agree, it's like a comment I saw in Facebook: "I know it's sh_t, but it's my sh_t". I believe that most of the actual fanbase it's people like me who only likes the cringe and "morbo" in it.
(Sorry if I have typos, I'm still learning English, so feel free to correct me)
I like analyzing how Meyer's internalized racism and misogyny manifest in how the only POCs (the entire Quileute tribe) are treated by literally everyone in the book.
“An almost 4 page long story about how he hunted down a pedophile”
The lack of self awareness is astounding!
"Pedos are bad...unless they're Edward and Jacob"
@@Tareltonlives or pretty much „unless they’re attractive to Stephanie Meyer“, which is even worse, somehow.
@@Tareltonlives In the words of the great George Washington, "Big oof."
@@REvoLverj98 In the words of Jesus Christ, "That ain't it, Chief,"
Well did he eat the guy
"Such a generic, boring mortal." Huh, she's noticed how bad her side characters are.
You know... in a strange sense, that actually makes Edward seem like a more interesting character to me. Objectively bad and creepy, but more interesting. Like he saw a weaker target and went for it, and that her blood singing to him was just a great bonus for him. It cycles back to a strange idea Krimson had when he reviewed New Moon - that Meyer has a strange talent for writing horror, without even recognizing it as such - like with the Volturi killing the tourists in New Moon or that graphic birth scene in Breaking Dawn, and now his thoughts here.
I kind of want to believe that the only reason Edward even has interest in Bella is her unusual blood and her strange mental barrier. Otherwise, he's just sociopathic and possessive. Makes him a terrible person, but a more interesting character than the "Bland McBland" we got in Twilight from Bella's POV. It would also show that what he feels isn't actually love, and so the abusive behavior he shows later on down the line actually matches this characterization and isn't just "romanticizing abuse" as in the original. But I don't think such a thing would be intentionally possible for Meyer to write out - so at best, it would be an accident.
Oh Gods she's becoming self aware!
Nice thrawn pfp.
@@darthtracynspeedrunning8561 Thx
@@geckokid8265 I doubt she has actually. It's probably more of a coincidence than anything. I mean smarter people have said or written less self-aware shit. Just look at some of the shit Neil DeGrasse Tyson has tweeted in the past, especially "his Roses are red, violets are violet" and "don't use Awesome to describe food or movies" tweets that people online blew him out of the water for.
"This is how we're represented? Unbelievable!"
-- Dracula, Hotel Transylvania
I saw something on TikTok and a lady said if Edward could read Bellas mind he wouldn’t have dated her
Yes - Meyer missed a huge chance to talk about the past 100 years of Ed’s life, at least in the form of flashbacks. I bet the fan fictions are way more imaginative and interesting. And I don’t mean 50 Shades of Abuse. 🤮
I'm reading some very interesting fanfic that explores the Denali ladies r@ping a guy, he's too terrified to say no to them, and then sort of accidentally killing him. It's a bleak story that works in canon tbh. Most of the vampires are at best uncaring about human lives in canon, but that one was especially creepy.
There are also several hilarious takes on alternate universes where Bella meets other vampires much later, and several that explore the relationship Carlisle has with Aro and the other Volturi, like, for many people it's pretty obvious that Aro and Carlisle were a thing. The broke up over irreconcilable differences, ie one eats people, and the other thinks murder is abhorrent.
Most of the twilight fanfic (well, not most tbh, you need to filter the bad stuff out) is better than the actual books.
She did though, she talked about how his first few years as a vampire, what happened when the other family members came into the fold, what happened when he went off on his own. I think alot of people are just jumping on the hate bandwagon without actually reading the story, and the people complaining the loudest are people the story wasn't meant for in the first place.
the original left me so frustrated I ended up going to fanfiction for something better. I mean... it's like I liked it but I also didn't... It's weird. But there were some great fanfictions out there that were so imaginative and creative you're right!
@@kl8733 you liked the concept but hated the execution
Well, I've read Twilight fanfiction, and yes, yes they are. I remember particularly this fanfiction that was called "in the blink of an eye", an AU in which Bella breaks her back jumping off the cliff in New Moon, and Edward never comes back. So she grows up and continues with her life and Edward comes back when she's like 30 (after her husband dies), and wheelchair-bound. It was very interesting to see the change in perspective of Bella as an adult and Edward, who is stuck in his adolescent mind.
Also I'm convinced that if Twilight wasn't seen through rose-colored glasses and the abuse was addressed as such, and not glorified, it would have been much more interesting. And the characters have concepts worth exploring, too. Like Alice, who likely was treated with electroshock because her precognition already existed when she was human. My speculation is that the original novel was MUCH darker and had a different tone and the editor told her "this will never work".
"I had more fun reading Empress Theresa."
Krim, I know Meyer is awful, but murdering her in cold blood like that seems excessive.
He murdered her like Edward was going to murder that classroom full of students.
@@boatfodder7591 two underrated comments omg-
This type of stuff is why i like some twilight fanfics and hate the og books alot of people have improved the story either by adding characters or just giving characters better things to do ya know
@@thelostonetxt8450 That’s funny because I notice that the bad franchises is where the good fanfics are at.
@@palantiri6590 nothing fuels us fic writers than the sheer desire to spite canon. bad canon is where fic writers go to yell "my city now" and just go wild
Imagine if Stephanie Meyer ACTUALLY went with the hype of the tension she set up and had Edward attack Bella and we find out "Midnight Sun" is an alternate universe version of Twilight where things didn't go the way we thought we knew it would
That would be fun and exciting, as opposed to... this
Omg I wish!!
The "don't you eat that girl" finger wag moment caught me so off guard I started laughing out loud for far longer than it deemed necessary.
Jesus, that section where Edward imagines killing everyone in the room at the beginning of the book...has Stephanie started reading Onisions books or something?
I’m glad I’m not the only one who was getting “Reaper’s Creek” vibes from that
Oh my god! I can't get that out of my head anymore 😱
Don’t know who this Onision person is but EEEEK
@@gracekim25 probably for the better. There are some videos of ppl reading his ‘books’
And then… THERE WAS A SCHOOL SHOOTING!!!
Edward being swollen from blood gave me the mental image of him just being bloated up like a pasty tick, and now I can't stop laughing.
I'm imagining something akin to Dib in "Invader Zim" being turned into bologna, rofl.
Ack. Now I'm imagining the giant tics from Fallout 76 but with pretty boy chins, cheek bones, and abs. I hate it.
@@left-2-write28 Oh God, ew
Don't forget the 🎆✨sparkles✨🎆
@@MyDogIsYoshi Ok, so a shiny Vampire Balloon.
Funny idea. Write a story from 2 povs and release them at the same time with no changes to the cover and without telling people
Like Clue
And then have one be a romance and the other a psychological thriller
That might be difficult if it were self-published online. The website would probably necessitate that each pov be listed separately, right? Although people would probably get confused between links still.
Extra credit: Make sure there's no gendering language about the protagonist for at least three chapters so you don't know who is whom by that tell.
As a biologist, one reason I can think of for vampires to have venom is to keep the blood from clotting. Blood can clot pretty fast, which would make drinking it kind of a pain. Maybe it's to keep it from clotting while drinking, or maybe while they're digesting it? Could be like supernatural heparin. Could also be used to lower their victims' defenses, like through impairing neural function? Just a few thoughts that I don't think Meyer explores. The hypothetical biology of supernatural beings would be so interesting to explore...
As someone who’s not a true biologist but heavily interested in the field, I thought of venom being there as a sort of paralytic. The victim could be aware of the horror, but unable to do anything about it. Your comment got my sister and I almost obsessively thinking about the biology of vampires.
Edward: * going off about how the scent of Bella's blood unleashes the demon in him and how he will kill her and everyone else in the room *
Me: ... Sir, this is a Wendy's....
I literally had a moment like that when I worked at Wendy's. And no, it wasn't a joke: Some poor, confused old lady was ordering like she was at Taco Bell. I guess the meme exists for a reason.
@@TaoScribble Poor woman just wanted a taco lmao, man I feel bad for old people sometimes, they seem to be confused a lot.
A Tad Sudden maybe,
but may i ask if you know those Things:
'Cliffside'.
'Starship Goldfish'.
'Hilda'.
'Pokemon: Banette's Curse'.
This joke will never die XD
@@loturzelrestaurant ay I remember Hilda, I watched the entire season one on Netflix when it premiered :D
When it comes to Bella’s scent to Edward, Meyers missed another opportunity to flesh out some of Ed’s past. The way Bella smelled could have reminded him of something that he missed or loved in his human life. Something that he felt was good enough to risk killing or protecting Bella over.
no, they have to be both virgins, bc having a past makes your current love not as great and gives the impression that it will end eventually bc life is not a fairy tail and there's no such thing as eternal love. and also it would mean that one day Edward & Bella would be obsessed with other humans and fall for them and cheat on each other.
(lol, I'd like to read THIS book)
@@solitud3is_bliss I never said anything about them not being virgins or having past relationships. What I meant is that Bella’s scent would’ve been great in giving us a little more detail on a character that we still know hardly anything about, despite him being one of the main characters of these books. For example, she could’ve smelled liked Edward’s childhood home, if in fact that was something he treasured in his human life.
Also, having a past love, or a past life in general, doesn’t make a couple’s love for one another any less validated. In fact, it more often than not gives more context to how a person acts in a current relationship. In Edward’s case, we could have used that.
@@giannaduarte1981the first comment was 💁 sarcasm🙅 but what I meant is that most romances like these are really... shallow? like, you can't expect much from them. but I get your frustration. I, for an instance, would've loved if Stephenie had actually explained in the story why Bella (and her dad) already has a shield as a human? she could have given Bella's past a context. I mean, if you live in a world where vampires and shape-shifters are real, there could have other supernatural stuff going on, right?
but no, the series are basically about how bella was born to be the perfect vampire, the perfect wife, the perfect mom and that's that. don't question it too much or it all falls apart.
@@solitud3is_bliss I’m so sorry for misunderstanding your comment. I totally agree. Stephenie spent too much time describing insignificant details when what she should have done is expand on details that weren’t explained in her previous books. She had the chance to potentially expand her story’s universe and her didn’t do anything with it other than try to redeem Bella and make her seem better than she is.
@@giannaduarte1981 like maybe his birth mother. Her blood smells the same as his mother’s. But then we’d get a little too close to incest and I don’t trust Meyers with that…
Honestly Edward is more like the phantom of the opera than he is Hades, in that he stalks and tries to groom a girl he covets in the hopes that she'll fall in love with him, not caring who he harms or manipulates in order to get what he wants.
Oh, and he also tries to lure her away from a childhood friend who has romantic feelings for her too. Yeah, I know that happens in the next book and it's probably not a one to one comparison, but when you look at the Phantom and Edward, there are quite a few similarities.
Today I learned that Twilight is an NTR book.
I feel regret
Meyer has no idea how to actually use side characters in story. Her side characters have interesting backstories, but are irrelevant to the present day story. The other characters have nothing to do when they're not interacting with Bella. They are there just to be there, when so much more could be done with them.
Alice, we're told that she can't remember being human, but we never get her thoughts or feelings on that. Edward just tells us, then it doesn't come up again until it's info dumped by the bad guy, and we don't even see Alice's reaction to it. That could have been a sub-plot throughout three books.
Book 1: Alice tells Bella she can't remember her past as they're bonding (since they're supposed to be best friends) and we actually get depth to Alice's feelings on that. In the climax, James gives a hint of where he knows Alice from but doesn't give the whole story. Alice helps her family kill him to protect Bella. And she and Bella have another bonding moment about how she gave up the chance of more information to save someone she loves.
Book 2 should be duel pov to show what the Cullens are doing apart from Bella. We see Alice explore the bit of information James gave up before he died, going to the mental institution she was held in and stealing her records to find out why she was there. Maybe running into an old patient who recognizes her. The story shows her digging deeper into her own past and uncovering her father's plot to kill her mother (read the wiki entry if you don't know). She tracks down her last surviving family members, her niece i believe. But gets the vision of Bella suicide jumping and races back to Forks.
Book 3: Bella encourages Alice to alproach her niece, projecting Bella's own want to stay connected to her human family after she turns. Alice reaches out to her niece who recognizes her from old family pictures. Alice's claims to be her own daughter who is trying to track down relatives as an explanation. Alice bonds with her niece and uses her vampireness to secretly help her with some problem in her life.
I am super interested in the romance between Carlisle and Aro. They definitely were a thing. Carlisle has no superpowers or other power, yet he stays with the king of the vampires for centuries and it's been established that Aro sends vampires away if he doesn't think they're useful. He did this twice at least.
Carlisle has a painting of him and the three kings, paintings were (and are, but then even more so) very expensive, and out of reach of a simple preacher's son. Aro paid for that painting. Why would Aro pay for a painting of himself and his fellow rulers, and some random vampire who is visiting. Carlisle wasn't just a random vampire. Also, Aro just gives that painting to Carlisle, like, you can't convince me every Volturi guard member has their own painting of them and their bosses to hang in their quarters.
Aro rhapsodizes about Carlisle for pages when Bella and Eddy are in Volterra, like, Aro is still very into Carlisle. They were a thing, and then in the end split up because Carlisle wanted someone to share his diet and Aro wasn't willing.
Also, the story of a vampire who was so distraught at the idea of killing a human person for food that he tries to kill himself? Yes, gimme all the books please. All the other vampires feel no guilt for killing, but Carlisle not only doesn't eat people, he actively tries to save people's lives by being a doctor. He is so much more interesting, I need to know more about his philosophy and morals and ethics.
Bella doesn't even really think about murder, she's not part of the diet because she thinks killing is abhorrent (her reaction to Ed's confession that he used to kill people barely raises an eyebrow) she's fine with murder it seems. So she's only participating in the diet because she wants to be with Ed, not out of some moral stance.
@@AnnekeOosterink Honestly I need all of you people in the comments to rewrite Twilight together or something, because your ideas about fleshing out the characters seem x100 more interesting than Meyer's. I've never read this book, but I would read that new version
An Alice fan I see
@@heroofthewinds7765 Not really. Alice also abandoned her best friend without so much as a goodbye despite being able to literally see how much this would devastate her all because her idiot brother told her to. And she never apologized for it. And she held Bella hostage against her will...
Yeah, Alice wasn't great.
But her backstory is interesting and should have been more a part of the present-day story.
@@swishycloud3700 I can recommend looking up the Aro/Carlisle tag on AO3 :P There's not a lot, but it's there. :)
And tbh quite a lot of the fanfic is so much better than the books. There are so many interesting ideas taking place in the twilight world.
AUs where Bella never met the Cullens, and instead first meets the Volturi, who are all like, interesting, this human has a gift, we must turn her, and there is no moral panic or anything, or an AU where Bella realizes Edward is super dangerous and is terrified of him, and realizes she must appease him if she doesn't want to die, so she agrees to date him. From his perspective nothing changes, for her it's a terrifying nightmare.
Or the bleak and horrifying fanfic where the Denali vampires "invite" a man to their home. Like, canonically they don't kill humans because they want to have sex with them, but they're also canonically scary to humans, and cold and hard, so the guy they invite realizes they're dangerous and deadly, and that he has no way to escape. Then he is r@ped by stone cold statue ladies. Even if he had given his consent, the sex cannot possibly be good if the vampires are cold and hard to the touch. Like. It does not end well. Anyway, that last one stayed with me in it's horror.
I genuinely enjoy the fanfic so much more than the books, better writers, better themes, better understanding of what the implications for the world would be if things happened like in the books ie, lots of vamps want babies, they even make actual vampire toddlers even though they are too dangerous, they learn they can actually make hybrid babies, cool, that means there will be at the very least a few vampires who will kidnap and r@pe women to make babies with, and it's likely most of those women will die, either from the act itself or from the birth, the Volturi are essential to the survival of the human race. The only reason that the vampires aren't feeding in daylight and killing off all the humans as either casualties in a vampire war or as food is that the Volturi have just one rule, don't expose yourself, and even that one single rule is regularly broken by vampires who just want to murder an entire city or would like to keep their vampire toddler who just murdered an entire city.
Meyer seems to just not have considered that at all, but the fanfics that explore these ideas are so interesting and scary.
As a fucking cringey nerd, I've written from the perspective of various interpretations of vampires, and my best received and favourite versions always focused on the more subtle inhumanity of vampires. Their boredom with human society, their eager anticipation for the next chance to hunt, the excitement of a human who breaks the trends they've gotten too used to, their annoyance at the lack of patience in the humans around them when they complain about something being years away.
This could've been the story of Edward rediscovering some subtle parts of humanity, and finding the balance between them and his vampiric instincts so he can coexist with Bella. But that'd require character writing deeper the moisture on the floor in the hallway after a hot shower.
please write midnight sun from that perspective it would be something worth to read
@@joanapereira9932 read interview with the vampire, it fits this description.
The concept of an immortal being being FASCINATED with human mundane tasks can be done very well. Look at Death's character from Terry Pratchet's Discworld novers, for example.
He's not bored with human society, he's fascinated by it, because he's eternal and cant understand it. What he's bored of is being omnipresent and timeless, because that feels pointless.
your description reminds me of the Mound from lovecraft, if you can manage through his writing style and racism id definitely recommend it, it is quite sick and one of my favourite stories of his.
@@solitud3is_bliss interview with the vampire was probably the most eloquent description of the inhumanity/humanity struggles that a vampire must go through. You’re alive so you’re clinging onto what little humanity you have left, but your soul is completely disconnected to the point that you question yourself against that humanity you’re clinging to. Interview with a vampire took out the romanticism of vampires and made it… Realistic. While also keeping the façade of romanticism towards vampires in mind when bringing humans into their situation. Describing the way the humans view them versus their true nature and the struggle within.
I am fairly certain that I worded this horribly. But I hope you understand what I mean LOL
I never understood why she didn't have the Cullens go to a local community college. It would have been much more interesting to them than high school, and make far more sense than trying to pass as 14 year olds every 4 years.
My high school had a program where, if you were 16 and had at least a 3.0 GPA, you could take certain classes at our local community college. If she wanted Bella to remain a high school student, she could be part of a similar program. It would even mesh well into her supposed intelligence.
That would be interesting. Make it less generic. I watched one of Hannah Lee's Rewrite Twilight series and oh man following Bella throughout her first day of school was freaking boring.
Or they could just have Edward going to highschool so he can experience life as a normal teen. (Also, have it be his first time at a highschool instead of the literal collection of graduation caps.)
The siblings can be off at college or abroad.
"the younger we pretend the be, the longer we can stay in a single place"
They pretend to be high schoolers and then continue in the same area for a few more years.
That's a good point
I always thought "he could pass for a baby faced adult working at a car repair shop or something like that." With them consistently going to high schools make them shady as fuck
I've never read any of the books, watched the first movie once when it came out, but this guy has fabulous hair and is sitting on a book throne so I'm fully invested
You know what would've been interesting. Edward and the Cullens as a whole selling their kills to the public.
Sell deer jerky, if the season is right sell freshly drained venison.
Sell turkey.
Like I could see that being such a fun bit of worldbuilding.
(If that is ever mentioned in the books in some manner I am sorry, I only know the books through second hand)
I have read the first one... They never mentioned anything about what they do with their kills... But that's such a good idea!
@@KougajiCalling Ah thank you for confirmation.
That is such wasted potential!
Glad you like the idea!
@@rockclanhawkstar1454 The Cullen's are destressingly wasteful with all of their resources! It stresses me out!
It's so good! And it's such a good use of resources!
@@KougajiCalling They are and it upsets me too!
At least with other vampire that eat people, so they can't go and sell the bodies without being outed.
Although, if they leave the dead animals in the wild, other animals might get some use of it. So not a complete waste, unless the other animals stay away because they’re too frightened of the vampire scent.
If Edward feels swollen, full of blood... is he a mosquito?
He's got the personality of one anyway
More like a bloated tick...
or a leech
Now I'm imagining his victim slapping him and making him explode into a splatter of blood, then scratching the bite while saying "god damn it, should have btought the repellant"
Also do vampires poop or just pee ????? Cuz they’re dead their bodies don’t work like ours
Edit: I’m going with they don’t poop bc Edward looks constantly constipated
I read the entire Twilight series for the first time during lockdown, and as an English major I have a lot to say about it. In my opinion, every single character in the books is more interesting than either Edward or Bella. The Short Second Life of Bree Tanner was actually the superior book of the Twilight universe, and it was about a young insignificant newborn in the newborn army of the third book.
Carlisle, the son of a preacher who believed evil roams the earth, overcoming and triumphing over his vampiric nature.
Esme, a young woman who ran away from an abusive husband and was driven to suicide by the loss of her infant, only to find solace in a healthy relationship and a found family.
Rosalie and Emmet's story, and how they overcame her demons after her terrible assault and subsequent transformation into something she loathes.
Alice, the girl with no memory who saw what kind of eternity awaited her through her visions, and her husband Jasper, who was a confederate soldier and must now come to terms with the fact that he stood on the wrong side of history.
Etc... Those storylines had more to offer and it's a shame they weren't fully exploited, only vaguely hinted at, if not completely ignored (Esme was done so dirty she was barely even there, and the info I found about her comes from the internet, that's how bad!).
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From what I saw and heard, every Twilight character becomes worse the more you actually learn about them. Carlisle for example; he was supposed to be this good, compassionate vamp who overcame his predatory nature and loves humans, but in his backstory he on multiple occasions saw vampires callously murdering humans and did nothing to stop them. Let's not also forget that he turned multiple people into vamps (a fate he was supposed to consider worse than death btw) and then allowed them to eat multiple humans during their newborn stage. His failings are obviously never addressed, we're supposed to see him as someone good and responsible
Meyer had some cool ideas, but her lack of self-awareness, critical thinking and simple, raw skill resulted in unlikable characters and awful stories
Exactly how I felt whilst reading it about a month ago (English major here as well haha) - Hopefully I don't fall into a rant here but Bella seems to me like almost a non-character. It's strange to me as she's adequately written as a teenage girl but, at least to me, exists as a conglomeration of traits and reactions to other characters that she plays off of. It's extremely evident that not only is she Meyer's self-insert, but she is also the absolute epitome of the 'she's not like other girls' trope endemic to early 2000s YA. Not that liking both regency classics and Monty Python are mutually exclusive, but Meyer phrases it in a way, especially in Midnight sun, wherein Bella's interests quite prominently only serve the pushed narrative of "she's not normal like other girls" or "Edward likes these traits" to inanely bolster either plot or undeserved relationship development. It doesn't even feel sexist most times - just lazy writing for bland characters.
I would never tell anyone not to read a book because It wasn't to my taste, and I didn't even necessarily really dislike this series - It's just that I wish that they resolved or strengthened some storylines with side characters or plot instead of standing half of Midnight Sun having Edward ask what Bella's favorite book/music/color that never contributes to anything but meaningless quotations. It's peculiar but I almost feel like some of Midnight Sun's intention was to retcon the complaints that the original twilight book didn't have them talking or bonding enough to justify their love, at least on Bella's end.
Also yes, The Short Second Life of Bree Tanner was the best twilight book by far and I was so committed to Rose's narrative by the end but she never really got the respect she deserved which was disappointing.
Since when did Jasper ever have consequences for his actions as a human, or even mentally think them over (much less come to terms with 'being on the wrong side of history')? Last time I checked, that never happened.
@@frcdstcr I believe that’s the OP’s point - that Jasper and the others have so much that cries out to be explored, like _does_ Jasper reassess his past? and that gets ignored because it isn’t about Edward and Bella.
The only reason I love twilight is because it got me through some really dark times of sexual abuse during my childhood. Escapism through the eyes of this teenage girl who had an opportunity of meeting someone who could take her away from her life. Give her freedom, essentially. I used to imagine myself as Bella, meeting someone like Edward… an immortal who could take me away from my own life. I was only 10 reading this series. Meyer is a god awful writer. But the story itself was a perfect storm to reach young girls. The sparkles (lmao) or fantasy if it all, the attempt at portraying an unconditional love from a protective figure (even though Meyer set it up in a highly inappropriate & creepy way), & not to mention the prude nature of the “protector” role played in this story. I started reading midnight sun & I couldn’t finish it. It completely ruins twilight for me. So many things wrong with the story, not something that should be romanticized at all. As an adult now, I realize the problematic behaviors that Ed portrayed from twilight that may have been overlooked by my 10 year old mind. But reading midnight sun as an adult just confirms what I already know about Ed’s character & it just turns me off completely from the entire saga. It’s safe to say I’ll always have a love for this series & it got me through some really difficult times. I dove into this story line & honestly didn’t come out of it until I was about 14. 4 years of disassociating through this fantasy. Thank you so much for this video, extremely insightful & though provoking. You got a subscription from me ☺️
I’m happy that you’re still alive, its awesome that you got away from that life
I’m so sorry for your pain. Blessings to you
Stephanie Meyer is actually one of the only authors who can unintentionally write horror. Examples: Breaking Dawn when Bella gives birth. The process of turning into a vampire. Edward's entire personality. Imprinting.
Something really fascinates me about this pairing that many don't seem to understand. To him, she is like a siren, because her blood calls to him. Aro explained this in New Moon.
To her, he is this perfect beautiful guy and he even explains this to her, that they look hauntingly beautiful to their prey, essentially fooling them into a false sense of security.
It's not a love story, it's a story about two poor idiots falling victim to each other's predetermined set of traps.
That's actually a good point to be made, and you can count Jake's "Imprinting" bullshit as yet another trap.
... That's a pretty solid theme, even more solid than the real one.
This is absolutely the case, which can actually make for really compelling writing if done well. I'm a big sucker for soulmate stories; I think it's interesting that your "best match" is written in the stars, and you'll find them in time. However, I also really like the darker aspects of this concept, and the discussions you can have when someone discovers their "fated mate" is not who they want to be with or they are "compelled" to be with someone without feeling they have choice in the matter. What's more, think of the conversations that can be had between a creature where "fated mates" are just normal and a human who is freaked out by this idea.
A big reason I think it falls flat in Twilight is because all of the cast are some degree of "human." The vampires don't act like non-human beings; they're just OP X-Men who drink blood sometimes. The werewolves/shapeshifters are just big, telepathic wolves with weird biological determinants that no one questions, but act otherwise like humans. So, when the cast has largely human sensibilties, it reads really weird that no one is weirded out by the imprinting or "fated mates" stuff (beyond mild objections that get eventually dropped).
@@Rikrobat this! I'm writing on a vampire series atm (first book is already finished) and one big part is that the MC eventually has to come to the conclusion that she can't be with her Vampire interest, because he simply isn't human. Or do you think such a relationship would be possible?
@Sandra I mean...idk about "toxic"...that word does tend to get thrown around rather quickly. It is a vampire story after all, so certain behavior we must see in context I think.
@Sandra as someone who has read the books, I can safely say Edward isn't toxic. He's a moody teenager(yes, his brain hasn't developed. I still consider him a teenager). Bella can be annoying, but she's just a normal teenager with a crush.
Krimson: Esme is so boring you could replace her with a broom
Me: who tf is that
Krimson: if u don't know who Esme even is thank you for solidifying my point.
Me: always happy to help.
How many lines did she even get in the series of movies? I wouldn't be surprised if it was in the single digits
Esme is the mother! >> The "mother" of the Cullen family... I'm pretty sure.
Literally the only reason I remember her at all is cause she's half of The Abominations name.
I like this comment section.
"This idea could actually be neat and work in a story, here's even an example of another author doing it well, but Meyers wrote it so of course that didn't happen."
Honestly the vampires are so canonically fast in this series that I feel like a better plan for traveling to Arizona would just to be for them to dress up in ninja suits to keep away from the sun, and run there. Would save a lot of headache
No! Pink morph suits.
Lmao
"I had more fun reading Empress Theresa." That's.....that's wow, just wow
At least that's NEW insanity to dissect, and new levels of nonsense. This is just Twilight but worse.
Tbf, there's a lot of stuff less fun to read than Empress Theresa. Does not mean ET is any better.
@@skyblade7438 with Theresa I imagine the intrigue is kept by the reader going “yo, wtf?!!” every other line. Plus occasional moments of “how could anyone think this is a good idea?”
That roast
You know you goofed when that happens
Spirited Away is a good example of how you can show who a character was during a grand adventure. Chihiro exhibits her traits quickly, has her changes and grows. You don't see her before her move but you know what her deal is.
I think it's because we meet her during an emotional point in her life: moving. There's a writer who once pointed out that, if you want to get to know characters, show them at a funeral. Same can be said for any drastic changes in a character's life.
Then, of course, her parents were transformed and she's forced to work as a slave, lol.
I just recently finally got to watch Spirited Away for the first time! I absolutely loved it
And what’s really impressive is how the storytelling is so subtly done, it’s hard to actually point out the parts where she does grow. It’s both sudden and prolonged in its portrayal, bc every bit of growth is so small that it weaves beautifully into the narrative without drawing too much attention to it and making any one moment the changing point. I’d say the most notable part is where she helps a polluted river spirit, as it’s a notably compassionate act, but it also shows you how she’s developing an understanding of the spirit world and beginning to learn how things are affected.
@@hkazu63 Totally. She seems to go from "I'M DOING WHAT I'M TOLD BUT IDK WHAT I'M DOING." to "Oh, yeah, I'll do this, no problem."
Spirited Away is a beautiful movie. So is Princess Mononoke. Both show great worldbuilding by giving us hints of the wider world and allowing the audience to fill in the rest
I love that the impression of Bella we get between the two books is of a woman who is completely devoid of personality and who, without vampiric intervention, would have succumbed to natural selection from clumsiness.
This comment is my favorite comment ever
Dude you're hilarious. I can't believe I'm watching a nearly 3 hour breakdown of a Stephanie Meyer book, but you make it worth it haha
Hearing Bella's clumsiness described again reminded why I thought she had a disability. Like, clumsy is one thing, but they way it talks about Bella you'd think she can't walk a straight line ever and has some kind of inner ear issue that makes her balance abnormally off.
Seriously. When Ed is describing all the clumsy stuff her classmates saw her do, my first thought was, "Shit, that girl should go see her doctor, that is not normal."
It's a direct quote that Bella tells Edward "I'm so clumsy I'm practically disabled," or something like that. I remember because that was the point I stopped reading.
A disabled protagonist motor skill-wise would be interesting, especially in ties with planned vampirism (e.g. Bella would've wanted to be a vampire to be "able" or whatever), but Meyer only made Bella clumsy to appeal to Edward's "protective" nature because a clumsy person is "sooo cute".
@@videosbyivy I have cerebral palsy and actually am disabled but I have better balance than Bella.
@@Xehanort10 yeah me too and I can’t walk long distances without breaks 😅
"Why did she wait until 2020 to release this book? Because it was the worst year on record and she thought she could do her best to contribute!!" God damn it you killed me with that LMFAO!!!!!!!!!
Theres a User going 'round the Internet
and harassing people for believing in Evolution.
Makes me wonder: It aint; at all; Cancel-Culture to report someone like this, aye?
Especially not if his Username literally contains the R-Word (trying to
insult all Atheists and Scientists ever)?
Yeah?
Whats your opinion on this?
Is it wrong to even go out of your way to ask people to
also report/flag him? I dont think so.
@@loturzelrestaurant ....................WERE THE F*CK DID THIS COME FROM AND HOW DOES IT CONNECT TO MY ORIGINAL COMMENT!!!!!!!!??????!!!!!
@@teddybearkiller5271
Woah! Dude! Chill!
Whats up with this over-the-top-reaction?
@@loturzelrestaurant Sorry I was in a bad mood then and your comment didn't help.... I'm sorry.
@@loturzelrestaurant why do you keep posting this comment? what is the purpose?
Its funny that when she had the choice of what to write between "Eds' past where he hunted down people like a victorian batman" and "ponders stupid shit" she chose the latter.
The "Bitch we've read this book, we know what's gonna happen, stop playing with this!" is not only one of my favourite quotes from this, but also the most accurate description of Midnight Sun in a nutshell tbh
Honestly, as someone scientifically inclined, Edward's lack of interest in biology class kinda baffles me. Even if he has two medical degrees and this is high school bio, as science is constantly progressing, there probably will be things he was unaware of cropping up from time to time as the textbooks are updated. Especially if he got his degree decades ago and hasn't been keeping up with the latest discoveries. Maybe he is reading major journals in free time, I don't know, I haven't read Twilight. But I don't get that impression from what I've heard.
Honestly, for ageless beings of the right mindset, science might just be the most entertaining thing for them to observe, watching as the small discoveries mount into major ones, and our understanding of the world progresses. Of course, that does require mental flexibility, so maybe Edward's just too fucking old at this point to be able to reconsider and reshape his view of the world.
Well… you aren’t looking at it through the eyes of Stephanie Meyer. Obviously biology ceased when she was in high school and never expanded on anything.
@@leileyaravencroft Can't exactly argue with that, not having read her books. That's also a mindset way too many people have, so I can't say it would shock me. Also, TBF, a doctors aren't always the most responsive to change or apt with research. Many know their field, and not much else. That's one reason why second opinions are a thing.
to be fair, I don't think high school biology keeps up with the times that much unless it's something huge, why do you think so many people still think sex is about two chromosomes and that's it?
@@ziggy6191 Pretty sure they teach that there's a lot more to sex than two chromosomes. Though, admittedly, they tend to reserve the details of the mechanical processes for the opt-out part of health class....
More seriously, they do tend to skew towards the mythical "average human" when teaching human biology, rather than focusing on any variations, but that's because nuance isn't usually found in lower level stuff. This is why, even in college courses, they tend not to mention those niggling little details and exceptions that break the rules. Because that's specialized knowledge. The lower the level of classes, the less nuanced the material. None of the stuff I'm suspecting you're referring to is all that new, but it's mostly covered under medicine, not biology. General biology tends to be far less anthropocentric, focusing on cell theory, genetics, cladistics, evolution, and the function of generalized biological systems, I.E. muscles, hearts, etc, slowly narrowing in on humans. If they tried to cover all the variations and nuances of all of that, just in Animalia alone, they'd be there for years, if not decades. Without getting into intraspecies variation, especially within humans. That said, I'd be willing to bet some cover the massive number of sexual chromosomes in mushrooms, or the system found in reptiles. In fact, I think I recall the ZW system being mentioned when I had biology, though I could be wrong.
However, while the general curriculum doesn't often shift much, the examples used do. And that sort of difference in detail, even between schools and textbooks, can reveal interesting new discoveries. Even something as simple as the sort of True Facts about animals they briefly pepper in to keep students' attention can be novel. While you could argue Edward's age would make those details insignificant white noise to him, I'd disagree. When you're constantly starved for new experiences and new knowledge, the little differences would stand out more, not less. They'd mean more to an ancient being like a vampire, because they're so rare.
@@Nixeu42 I don't go to american high schools so my comment was more based on what I see people talking, maybe you're right, I mean, Edward could just stop going to highschool and say he skipped a few years and has a babyface of he hated high school all that much, since they keep moving from city to city no one would question all that much, but that book is a mess so of course the meyer(?) wouldn't care
What a severe missed opportunity to use an interesting page layout to convey the chaos of being forced to hear all thoughts. If I was re-writing this (and God knows why I would) I'd have Bella's first day be a few chapters in, but the first chapter would start with Ed getting to school and the cacophony of minds he hears, like several people's thoughts laid ontop of each other in an near unreadable fashion, (maybe no spaces between the words, and no separation of whose thinking what) and this constant wall of noise is why Ed hates school.
His initial attraction to Bella would be, that in the massive sea of thoughts, she's a small place he can focus to have a moment of silence, because he can't read her thoughts.
Now THAT would be infinitely more interesting!
You literally put more effort into that really cool idea than Meyer did with the entire book
@@idavyregoodbarrel717 thanks, it wasn't super unique an idea
If she wrote this aspect of mind reading as in the manga Disastrous life of Saiki-kun (the guy can read minds and he is struggling enjoying anything because of the voices he hears), then I would have given this book a try.
@@idislikemints I'd argue that really highlights Meyer's failings. Her protagonist (for lack of a better term) is Psychic not because the story needs him to be or to enrich the narrative. He's Psychic because that's the power she gave him in the first book. There's no thoughts to the powers, they are like T shirts for the vampires, simple accessory
The fate of your first copy of Twilight could probably be read as a criticism of the Mary Sue trope: weak spine, split down the middle (usually over boys).
IT'S METAPHORICAL!
That was savage... but accurate.
“Bella was good.”
Bella throughout the saga:
- Playing with both Edward and Jacob like boy toys because she liked the attention
- Being rude and disrespectful to her dad constantly
- Not really doing anything when vampires were racist to werewolves, but scolding werewolves for doing the same thing
- Not protesting when the Cullens lent their people-eating friends in Breaking Dawn their cars so that they could more easily go find people outside of Forks to eat
Edward is the definition of "Just because you have the emotional range of a teaspoon doesn't mean we all have"
Do you mean the emotional depth? I mean, a teaspoon isn't long, too, but... xD
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@@midnight8341 it's a harry potter reference
@@lofi_killer2603 I never watched the fifth Harry Potter movie in English. In German Hermione says: "Dein Gefühlsreichtum passt ja auch auf einen Teelöffel, Ronald." which literally translates to: "Your depth of emotion fits into a teaspoon, Ronald."
@@midnight8341 oh, okay, sorry /gen
I will say once again: the one character that really would make for a good protagonist, is Bella's dad. People he loves most are entangled with the plot already, and I personally think that a father's love for their daughter would be a much better focal point than out-of-the-blue magical teenage crush.
We need Dark Side of The Moon: The Charlie Chronicles, or Charlie Swan, Vampire Hunter!!
@@wandanemer2630 I remember getting dragged by cousins to the first movie and when asked who I liked better of the two boys, I just answered "Charlie". Team Charlie all the way.
It truly is a shame that Meyer decided to demonise Charlie for a bit in the later books. He deserved better.
That would require her to actually know how to write a 3 dimensional character
What about Leah Clearwater?
The only “his pov” book I’d be invested in is Prince Char’s side of Ella Enchanted.
The entire book is just "wtf, wtf, W.T.F."
@@amonrawya3064 along with him slowly realizing he fell hard for Ella at first sight and trying to figure out what the heck is going on when her curse kicks in.
I was perfectly content not having this male pov book until this moment.
Now I need it.
Highlighting one of my biggest peeves in bad writing - the long memory digression during a short action scene.
"As the hooded man pulled the trigger that would end the life of my first love, it brought to mind those long summer days spent skeet shooting with my beloved grandfather. I suppressed a chuckle at the memory of pawpaw's antics on the range, fondly recalling..."
Ah, flashbacking in a battle, a staple of anime.
Robert Pattinson deserved so much more, and he has gotten so much more
well he is batman know so yea id say he has been doing much beter
everyone in twilight deserved better.
@@estebannoguera7126 agreed. And glad to see more of Kristen Stewart elsewhere as well. But I’m really happy for Pattinson as I know him for Harry Potter
@@terra_the_nightingale135 yeah, the stuff that she has done in resent years is way more better and her acting is not the worst thing ever like twilight made us think.
@@estebannoguera7126 exactly. Personally, I think Stewart acted Bella perfectly. BECAUSE THATS HOW SHE WAS WRITTEN
Anyone else notice in the opening lines, if Edward hates school so much he could just not go? It's not like anyone forces him??
I'm pretty sure the reasoning in the original series was that this was part of the masquerade. Ed looked young, so when they moved to a new place with a new identity, he would be presented as the Cullens' child, and because of this, he's have to get an education because it's the law. Now, granted, they could've just had a cover with home-schooling, but I had the impression that the Cullens really enjoyed mingling with humans, and Ed didn't want to be the odd one out.
That said, take everything I say with a grain of salt, as I only watched the movies with friends for the express purpose of ripping them apart for fun.
At least a higher education than that of high school… like idk college or grad school that would be more intellectually fulfilling
@@Horvath_Gabor He's physically a young adult, though. All they have to do is say he's 18 instead of 17. Hell, if he wanted to drink they could claim he's a babyfaced twenty-something, and as long as they had a decent fake ID no one would bat an eye.
It's not like anyone could force him either.
@@Horvath_Gabor home school I'm just sayingn
Edward can’t read Bella’s mind.
He just gets the sound of a landline connecting to the internet 🤣
Leia’s tiny throaty meows are adorable
On the subject of Meyer using classic literature as reference, around 5 years ago I was studying melodrama in England and had to do a presentation on the subject. I chose melodramatic female stereotypes on modern day melodrama, focusing on the musical, the telenovela and the YA novel. In my research, I found that someone PUBLISHED a book defending TWILIGHT by COMPARING it to JANE FREAKING EYRE... JANE... EYRE... arguably my favorite English classic novel. My fury could burn out a thousand Suns when I found this. I'm not gonna get into the reason behind my fury, cause it's obvious and we'll be here for the rest of the year if I do. But you can bet your ass that I used part of the presentation to eviscerate and vivisect this goddamn book and twilight apart. I got an A.😇
Do tell you caught my eye
Dude please tell me you kept that essay saved somewhere, I need to read this
@mop2420 Well, it was years ago, but it's probably somewhere in the depths of my computer's hard-drive.
literally just make edward a newbie vampire. it’s easier to make a backstory for a new teenager vamp, and it would make more sense that he’d be so violent and out of control like some douche going through bloodsucker puberty
She wrote a twist plot where Edward is human and Bella is the vampire.
@@krisynthiagomez5883 not gonna lie, I had read the back page summary of Eclipse very first. It was the scene of the party but Bella kept hinting at dead and undead romance and I was hooked. I loved that synopsis and I started reading Twilight only and only because I thought she was the vampire and Edward was the human.
With every story I felt regret to have invested my summer. But now I view it as a psychological thriller and use it as a guide to spot trauma induced gaslighting, abuse, manipulation, ptsd and depression.
exactly! Edward is literally 109 years old and we just brush through 100+ years when that in of itself could be vampire meets Dexter! so much wasted potential
Yh it’s so dumb that “He MiGhT nOt CoNtRoL hImSeLf” HES OVER 100 YRS OLD HES BEEN A VAMPIRE LONGER THAN BELLA WHEN SHE WAS ABLE TO “CONTROL” HERSELF
It actually makes perfect sense that a vampire boy who grew up in the early 1900s is a raging misogynist who stalks and manipulates his romantic interest. If Meyer had expanded on it and formulated a redemption arc for him then it would be slightly more compelling, but instead we never ever touch upon the extreme cultural differences between him and Bella.
If this is true that Stephenie Meyer showed parts of midnight Sun to Robert Patterson, then so many things make sense. He used to say that she was a disturbed woman and things like that. I never used to understand that. I assumed he was just being dramatic. The books were bad but there was nothing twisted about them. But now I understand why he said that. Midnight Sun is a twisted piece of work.
Theres a User going 'round the Internet
and harassing people for believing in Evolution.
Makes me wonder: It aint; at all; Cancel-Culture to report someone like this, aye?
Especially not if his Username literally contains the R-Word (trying to
insult all Atheists and Scientists ever)?
Yeah?
Whats your opinion on this?
Is it wrong to even go out of your way to ask people to
also report/flag him? I dont think so.
@@loturzelrestaurant who, exactly, is the user in question?
@@irisaferg2524 Why do you ask?
Check out the review series from Dominic Noble, and the one by Amanda the Jedi. You'll understand why a lot of people have had problems with the books since they came out. Plus DN and AtheJ are frickin hilarious.
@@victoriashevlin8587 Empress Theresa Reviews have been done by Countless, but people 'miss' the fact that such Reviews are PUZZLES.
They are Puzzle Pieces so you need to watch many Reviews about the same Book IF its such a big hilarious Thingy.
Two and a half hours and yet, there is still so much more wrong with this book. Every time I read this series, it comes across as a tragic horror story where the victim goes from fascination to developing Stockholm syndrome for her stalker.
I think the reason why these terrible stories get popular is because some readers automatically use their imagination to fill in/make up the missing/boring parts of the story. I believe it’s not actually Twilight that they are attached to, but their own imagination.
Hannibal Lecter novels for young people?
as a twilight lover, watching criticisms and reading about its flaws entertains me just as much as the original series. how can you love something if you're unable to recognise it's issues? this is a genuinely great video, valid criticisms. i didnt struggle to read this book but i understand and agree with all of the points made.
I'm the same way with Harry Potter. I still love it and will defend it to certain types of people but it is very flawed and JK rowling's questionable morality definitely bleeds through into the books
Well I appreciate you guys acknowledging that (compared to crazy fans)
"Like some lost god, or personification of war."
Ares. You mean Ares. You're going with this whole Hades and Persephone metaphor. Why not just say Emmett was like Ares??
Ares was a bro in that story actually distracting Demeter while kidnapping Persephone.
@@samreddig8819 Ares was involved in that?
@@jessnalulila5709 depends on the telling but yeah
@@samreddig8819 ares was also like the least favorite kid of Zeus, right after poor Hephaestus
@@evak5673 Zeus actually didn't mind hephaestus too much. Hera was the one super salty that he was ugly. It ruined her perfect mom image.
I don't get why meyer didn't put just put Ed and Bella into college instead of highschool. She could've made Ed so much smarter and maybe rich and decadent y'know like "omg how do you afford college over and over again??". Bella could have more character, hard choices, agency, and the romantic chemistry could present them having so much in common. Ed could've only had night classes and it could've initially been kind of a mystery like "omg why won't you come hang with me in the morning.
I feel like I could write twilight but better after making this comment
Go for it 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
A mollusk can write Twilight but better XD
There are night classes at American Colleges...?
@@jackmesrel4933 to be fair, mollusks are smart, with Stephanie Meyer that's debatable...
Honestly if you did, I’d read it🙂
I remember seeing a leaked chapter online and reading a bit through it waaay back then; couldn't get past the first few pages.
I'm glad your kitty is doing good! I had three foster kittens and am now trying to nurse the last little guy back to health so he can be neutered and adopted. He's a troublemaker!
You wanna know a super easy excuse for Bella’s injuries? She was kidnapped and assaulted. Close to the truth, so difficult to disprove. Also, fewer details means fewer chances of anyone catching you in a lie. This is technically true, they can say they found her on the street and the perp got away. Done. Give the cops a description of James, the cops will look for him and never find him. Super easy.
Except that would mean an ongoing investigation that Charliewouldnever let go of, a lot more questions and Bella would have to tell a convincing story of what happened and she sucks at lying
@@breezy3392 it’s a lot more convincing than “I fell down the stairs and out a window, and I know the blood doesn’t match my DNA, but it’s the same type, so that works, right?” Also, most hotels have cameras in all public spaces, so they would have to find a way of getting her on tape falling down the stairs and out a window. There is so much about that lie that makes it easy to prove it was a lie. An open investigation would only go so far, they’d question her and her friends, then be in contact if they ever found anything.
@@winry2357 Bella's dad is a cop. If he hears "your daughter was kidnapped and assulted" do you really think he would let it go? And everyone in her small town, where everyone gawked at her just for being the new girl, would be asking questions. There's no need to test blood at a scene that everyone involved is saying is an accident. And not all hotels have cameras at every corner.
@@breezy3392 I’ve never seen a hotel that didn’t have cameras in stairways. Just saying. Also, if they weren’t going to test the blood, then why steal it from a hospital? Why not just put out pigs blood? As for her dad being a cop, it wasn’t in Forks, so it’s not his jurisdiction. As a father, he’d just be happy that she was far away from where she was kidnapped and that she was safe. He might keep an eye on the case, but as long as Bella was a thousand miles away from where it happened, he’d be okay. Chances of people in Forks learning about what happened outside of her and Charlie telling them would be slim to none, so I doubt they’d treat her differently.
@@winry2357 The problem wouldn't be just the official investigation, it's that people wouldn't just let it go. In a small town where everyone knows everyone's business they'd keep on asking questions, especially her father, jurisdiction or not. And yes Charlie would tell his cop friends that his daughter was abducted because that's the kind of town he lives in, and people would be asking about Bella's injuries. Bella, quite frankly, is an idiot and a bad liar. Do you really think she could tell a consistent and convincing story. Also, concocting and continuing to tell that story over and over is a lot more complicated and prolonged than "I fell down." A story that generates an official police report and investigation would also put the Cullens name on record and they try to avoid things like that.
Also, I'm curious where in the middle of a the city would you find a convenient pig to slaughter.
And I have been to hotels that didn't have cameras in stairwells
Theory: Krim locked himself in the library at the beginning of the Apocalypse and lost the key. He's now actively letting his hair grow to escape Rapunzel style, we believe in you mate!
He read infuriatingly awful books for our sins.
We don't deserve you. The amount of colorful tabs in that book reflects how many more thoughts you had whilst reading this book than Stephanie Meyer had writing it.
When Ed starteed musing about how he couuld totally kill everyone in the room in 10 seconds I was like "alright Krimson, nice prank but now I know there's an Onision book under that cover"
I have to ask who the hell is this person because I keep seeing the name. (But to be clear that scene is straight from the leaked chapters back in 2008 so those are very old)
The one scene that sticks out to me most in Midnight Sun is when Edward reads Alice’s mind and sees a vision that Alice has about Bella’s future. Edward and Alice can see that the vision is very hazy, which means that it doesn’t have much chance to actually come to fruition but the fact that Alice can see it at all means that there is a possibility it could happen. Anyway, in the vision Edward and Alice can see Bella in her early twenties, and her and Edward are still together while she is still human. Edward gets super excited about this vision because it means that there is a possibility that he can keep Bella human and they can still be together.
However, Edward makes a comment about Bella’s appearance. I’m paraphrasing here but he basically says that her legs are longer, and her body is more curvy and filled out. She has a woman’s body, she’s an adult, and he likes what he sees.
THEN HE CONTINUES TO DATE HER AND BE PHYSICALLY ROMANTIC WITH HER KNOWING SHE’S A SEVENTEEN YEARD OLD CHILD!!!!
How do you look at a vision of her as a grown adult and then still think, “oh yeah, she’s definitely still a teen right now, let me not wait for her to be an adult and just get romantically and sexually involved with a child.” Like what the fuck. Why does Meyer do this?? Just write them as adults from the beginning!
First of all, biologically, seventeen isn't a child. We all of us have female ancestors who married and gave birth to a child at that age. Second, girls get most of their adult height in early adolescence. The curves may change between seventeen and early twenties. But t hat is life and aging.. And finally, people are allowed to date at seventeen. They just aren't allowed to have actual coitus until they are eighteen, or in Meyers' world, marriage. Meyers is as ignorant about human development as she is about the rules of good writing.
@@erynlasgalen1949 Yikes.
👏👏👏👏👏👏
I think it's because mentally, they are stuck at the age they were turned....to some extent?? Yeah, he's been alive for like 90 total years, but he still very much thinks and acts like a stupid 17 year old boy on occasion. He's also still stuck with the early 20th century mindset of properly courting someone. Asking their father's permission to court, going on supervised dates, no intercourse before marriage. He lives in the 21st century, he _knows_ how people operate and think now but he mentally cannot leave his way of thinking in the past
Also, Edward, like Rosalie, wouldn't wish being a vampire on anyone. He wants Bella to grow up, grow old, live peacefully without worrying about possibly being drained, have kids if she wants them, and eventually die. I don't think Stephanie was trying to say Edward prefers adult women but he was happy to see Bella was still human a few years from now; that they could be together without forcing her to give up her humanity
.....again that's just what I think based on how the other books are and with how....not well Stephanie writes
@@erynlasgalen1949i agreed with the first sentence but then you lost me
Watching for the second time I thought something funny: Stephanie says vampires have to force themselves to blink in order to pretend they are humans. So imagine this: A Vampire that has hairbangs covering their eyes like a hentai protagonist in order to not let people see that he doesn't need to blink
Oh god oh dear
To add on to this: vampire pretends to be emo/outwardly emo so that they don't have to constantly keep answering questions from adults about 'why don't you keep your hair out of your eyes' kind of stuff, but they hate the music and general vibe
Vampire hentai protagonist...? I want to watch that.
@@SairinEarthsea I feel like I HAVE watched that...
@@lzrshark617 So, basically the vampire and goth kids from South Park?
You'd think being in the head of a mind reader would be interesting- like, 100 years later, wouldn't Edward have very good insight and understanding of the human psyche instead of it? And maybe Meyer wanted to portray him as jaded about the human race, but Edward somehow manages to come off as incredibly self-absorbed and daft despite his ability.
She could have easily added the fact that Edward was in a coma for most of his vampiric life or decided to seclude himself after being turned or maybe encountering another mythical creature and suffering from it (curse, imprisonment, etc.) and that's why he doesn't know much about the human world and the humans nowadays. Just a simple passage would have sufficed, considering the book lacks nuance anyway and his past was never fully revealed.
Ok, I recomend russian writer Pehov book "Twilight Forever Rising" or "Kindrat". Main hero is vampire and mindreader that's 100 years old. And nothing that cringy or foolish you see. Vampires as they should be.
I can't imagine that way of pride of himself like Edward does. He's useless, wasting his time fir school when he'd be a scientist, musician - whoever. He's in love with the most dull teen in story. In the end of this saga what do we have? Cullens'd be dead like everyone on their "vitnesses trial". Because they just go away, while enemy seen all they need and have all power thay need to destroy them one by one. And our clever Eddy-boy don't see it. No happy ending exists in reality. Only Meyer can believe in good end of her story.
If Edward was sane then maybe. But the boy is unhinged and he (not Meyer) knows it
@@foxypaws292 I think it is technically possible to work a "happy ending" into the story Meyer has crafted, but well, as usual, the biggest issues are:
1) we don't care about the characters for a multitude of reasons
2) there's not enough nuances
3) the world-building is not sufficient _for the thickness of the books_
Theres a User going 'round the Internet
and harassing people for believing in Evolution.
Makes me wonder: It aint; at all; Cancel-Culture to report someone like this, aye?
Especially not if his Username literally contains the R-Word (trying to
insult all Atheists and Scientists ever)?
Yeah?
Whats your opinion on this?
Is it wrong to even go out of your way to ask people to
also report/flag him? I dont think so.
Wait, what. "No bella, blood inside you smells so strong it would drive my family crazy"->"Let's just spread 3 bags of blood around with no problems!" 😂
The difference with that is Bella's blood is irresistible (since she is Edward's singer so her blood is meant to be extremely tempting and tasty to him, more so than normal blood). Although, the Cullen's reactions to blood is so inconsistent and how much control they have depends on whatever will progress the plot regardless of plot consistency
Someone insisted I read this book because they thought I just didn't understand the connection a vampire has with their mate and this book was supposed to set me straight. At the end of the book, I could only comprehend that Edward was a creepy stalker that had fits of melancholy. I figured that out from the first book. I still don't get the attraction, at least from Bellas's side, and falling in love with someone by stalking them is not a good way to start a relationship. That being said, I'm impressed you were able to do this. I forgot most of the book the next day.
What's crazy is most twilight fans completely misinterpreted the mate thing as shorthand for a SOULmate thing, as the equivalent to an imprint. This is not true. It's more so shorthand for mate for life. Vampires will just feel the same way they always did when they fall in love, that's it. The pull between them was just Edward and Bella themselves being weirdos.
Do you remember the time when Twilight was the worst book Krimson had read, only to be "surpassed" by the Onion Saga and Empress Theresa? We've come full circle now - and I feel so honoured to have witnessed it all.
I found out about this book through one of my coworkers in retail. She was reading it for shits and giggles more than anything, so when she told me how half the book was just about Edward and Bella's first few interactions from his perspective, I couldn't wait to see how the Luxurious, Long Haired Lord of Literature was going to react to it.
"luxurious, long haired lord of literature" what a fabulous name
@4Freedom4All not gonna lie. I have read enough slice of life manga to prefer the latter.
The whole pursuit and love triangle stuff is awful.
I prefer a story about a man who got married to a magical fox girl over some love triangle with two shallow men pursuing an empty husk with female form.
* Luxurious, Long-Locked Lord of Literature
@@vmcb42 This reply made me angry for two reasons.
Number One: I hate that I didn't think of this first.
Number Two: I can't like it more than once.
@4Freedom4All The problem comes, with wher is the realistic drama that is to overcome when bella dates a vampire. True blood did that quite well. Its not an idealistic relationship, the show doesnt shy away from showing the harder sides, and bills flaws. And the social lie of her getting affected.
Honestly, Edward sounds like an Onision protagonist. All the edge and superiority and the weird amount of detail when he thinks about ways to hurt people ("I could snap 3 or 4 necks in a second" "i delivered between 7 and 23 kicks")
Sad that the story didn’t start with life before he was turned and then bits over the last 100 years before Bella. But I guess that would require research.
The new book throne is EPIC. Also dang - the tabbbbbsssss.
I have nothing to add, my avatar just wanted to stare at your avatar 😸
Hahahaha
Seriously, why high school over and over again? I’d understand college over and over, getting different degrees in different subjects. And maybe high school every few decades out of curiosity to see how it’s changed but that’s it
Plus, Bella being in her 20s-18 the absolute youngest-removes a lot more creep factor from the centuries long age gap
Probably because they keep better track of your progress and degrees in college. I know that the author didn't think at this at all, but if you want to have some kind of explanation I think it's a good one.
There would be so many different names in the systems keeping track of your achievements, for different identities. And usually there is job offers waiting for you as soon as you're done (and schools will usually keep track of their previous students to make sure that the education got them somewhere). Also the friends you make there is a lot of times for life, after high school most people just forget about you and move on with their lives.
But I'm thinking of this as a Swede. Things might work differently in the US. But another thing, that I know for sure, is that it requires a lot of money or dept to study in the US.
@@oonmm Job offers as soon as you're done with school? Sounds awesome. It took me 7 months to get a full-time job in the UK after getting a Masters because of the horrendous Catch-22 situation: you need experience for a job but a job for experience. Most industries don't seem to actually want to train anybody and then they complain about staff shortages. And if you want experience, you're expected to do it for free. 😑
@@1Thunderfire hey, a physically fit and ageless human being with years of experience is just what a lot of employers seem to be looking for lmaooo
I found Midnight Sun fun to read because 1) It was literally Twilight but slightly more, which activated my nostalgia, and 2) I enjoyed it as a horror story; the scene where he considers killing the whole class because her blood is that good was gripping. Idk, if Meyer treated her story like a supernatural horror with some "romance" aspects, and maybe wrote a bit more from that perspective... Idk maybe it wouldn't be treated like relationship goals. It's the kind of horror story where our main character is a manipulative, snobbish person; wouldn't be the first
As tedious as it is to read, I feel the long descriptions and thoughts that take place during quick events like saving Bella from the van serve some sort of purpose; It's established in the lore that vampires think extremely fast, and sharing all of Edwards many thoughts during what was a quick event for Bella serve to make us see the event happening in slow motion. I will admit those thoughts could've been made to be more interesting to read, but eh
yeah! I think this series would have made a great horror/scary series! like an ordinary teenage girl getting stalked by an extremely faster and dangerous supernatural being that is obsessed with her and wants to kill her/drink her blood would be such a good thriller!
Poor Robert was tortured into reading that book?! Damn my condolences for him. Knowing how much he hates Twilight, pretty sure he would describe that time a waste of energy... mental energy.
Robert probably had a mental institution moment, rocking in a corner with the book in front of him, whispering “its for the paycheck.”
It's weird, you would think the book could have been about his whole life, the last chapter could have been on how they met, that would have at least been satisfying and not basically just rewriting twilight
Right? I love how the most important thing that happened in his hundreds of years of life (and undeath) is meeting Bella. Not wars he's lived through, not the people he's known, the things he's done. Just Bella.
@@LoveLee_Dreamer tbf, 12 yo wanted that fantasy. But as an adult, I actually want complex characters
That’s actually something worth reading. I bought it hoping there would be something in his past outside of Bella we’d get to see.
@@tacefairy She's not writing for 12 YOs though, her demographic is late teen to young adult.
@@LoveLee_Dreamer specifically, teens and young adults who just wanna turn off their brains for a bit and indulge in a vampire fantasy book. honestly its not a bad thing, but w how big a phenomenon twilight was it is v disappointing for a normie to read/watch it and find nothing too compelling :pp
KrimsonRogue: "I know Beowulf's around here somewhere."
Me: *feeling like I'm watching a kids cartoon where the narrator demands I scream* "It's on the shelf behind you!"
IKR?!
It's like Dora the explorer all over again
Same
Unless it's the narrator from Peppa Pig.
He would say something like "Krimson is searching for his book, Beowulf. He knows it's around here somewhere."
My exact same thoughts.
i know it's been a long time, but i really wanted to praise the fact that you never seem to make fun of the target audience for these books. women being the main readers are never the butt of the joke, and, when something good is written, the compliment arrives. it's very rare for a man to be this sensitive to these matters when analyzing this type of literature, and it's something I'm grateful for, even if I'm not a twilight fan! also, sorry for any misunderstanding issues, I'm Brazilian, and english is not my first language :)
About your post notes, about Meyer being more fit to write a horror story : well, fun fact, she actually did! Title is "The Host". It's actually more of a thriller, but it can give you an idea how a horror is when written by Twilight's author, lol.