This video brings up an excellent point. I hear a lot of people say Vader didn't go to Tatooine for a long time because of all this trauma involving it, yet he set up personal HQ on Mustafar of all places. The only real answer is screenwriters having a flair for the dramatic and Mustafar looks a lot cooler than Tatooine.
Not only that but it would also be a massive plothole if there was a significant Imperial force as well as Vader, while simultaneously Luke and Obi-Wan remain hidden from the Empire. For a day they could pull it off but I’m sure over the course of years Vader would feel them there
Another, potential important, reason for this movement was that he had also closed a very important chapter that had brought him down on Mustafar to begin with: Kenobi. Obi-Wan had been one of the major ties due to Vader's defeat at his hand on that very plannet, and he had finally, after so many years obsessing about him, finally ended his former master, the lowest point of his exsistance.
The Executor was a statement of drive. Following Mustafar, Vader was… listless. His potential squandered by his injuries and his wallowing on the past. He had no future, no drive, no hope to do much of anything. The pursuit of strength meant nothing with no purpose behind it. Luke was indeed a New Hope for Vader as well, unfortunately for some that resolve made Vader a much more active and potent force.
I've always found it interesting that the Jedi and Sith both encourage a person to move on from trauma it's certainly for different reasons and motivations but that parallel is fascinating.
This theory makes a lot of sense. On Mustafar he just wallowed in the past. At least on Vajun he had his training facility and his starfighter workshop and kept active. But it was on his SSD that his fire, his passion was rekindled and he truly became a Dark Lord of the Sith.
I think Vader was able to largely forget about his failures on Mustafar when put the place up on AirBnB. His focus on Luke may not have been purely familial, though. It may have focused more simply on someone strong enough with the Force to help him eliminate the Emperor. Maybe?
I feel it was a variety of factors. Part of it was familial, as a large part of Anakin's dreams were to have a family, since the loss of his mother affected him greatly, not to mention the loss of Padme also dealt a blow to him. Another part was the desire for power and to rule as well. There was not a singular reason for his sudden increase in power.
I aliken Vader to a walking corpse or tomb, a mausoleum to failure pain and depression, all that Vader knows, the discovery of Luke Skywalker ignited the spark that turned Vader into a legitimate and powerful threat, but this spark of life also ignited the sparks of Anakin, and slowly but surely Anakin started to resuscitate within the dark lord of the Sith, slowly but surely Anakin clawed his way out of the darkness that was Vader and then to save his son, the once powerful chosen one, broke free of the broken dark lord to save his son
This is because Anakin and Vader are still the same person. Anakin is Vader's innocence. But as you watch the Clone Wars, you do see Anakins as much a dark sider as a light sider. He fell to the dark side for the same reason he got back to the light. Anakin was always passionate. His drive as a jedi was to protect everyone. Unfortunately this rather noble ideal is also very easy to manipulate due to the fact its impossible.
@roycehuepers4325 actually had the jedi granted him master he could have gone into the archives and looked up ways to save padme them denying him that pushed him to palpy who was the one putting the vision into ani them denying him pushed him to the only one who could give him the knowledge
@@jimbowlan5804 They had mutual dislike for each other, I remember hearing this from a video on why Palpatine is the GOAT, and it is "The prequels are about a religious order finding the Messiah, and handing him to the devil." this is eerily prescient on how the Jedi and Palpatine handled Anakin, the Jedi pushed Anakin away, pushed his compassion for others away and punished him for it (See how he handled things like Obi-Wan's 'Death' and Ahsoka's trial) they punished him for being attached. He couldn't form a relationship with his master Obi-Wan and instead Latched onto the positive reinforcement of Palpatine, Anakin didn't deserve to be a Jedi master, his reaction to being placed on the council (while justified) showed he wasn't ready for that role, however it isn't just petulance, he is hearing from someone very close to him that he is a powerful Jedi, and is worthy of the rank, but the Jedi fear he is becoming powerful. This is what he is hearing from someone he trusts very much. And when his Wife was in danger of dying, and the Jedi offered no support (His all but confession to Yoda), Palpatine, again someone Anakin trusts and cares for very deeply offered the solution, and yet he did go to the Jedi with this information, and he goes to save Palpatine afterward, but Mace has Palpatine defeated and is going for the kill, at that moment, Mace proves himself a Hypocrite in his eyes, since he had killed an unarmed man (Dooku) and he knows he shouldn't have, Mace proved the Jedi Hypocrites, and it led to Anakin retaliating to defend Palpatine, and from their, the fell, brought to the brink of molten death, and like the devil, he restores the mutilated and immolated man into a monster dropped in black and machinery, entombed in a skull-like mask of what was once a face, and condemning Anakin into becoming the ruthless destructive monster known as Vader, who was all but incapable of caring or showing any form of compassion for another being.
I'mma take a wild guess before I hear you out: his Mustafar base symbolised his obsession with the past and kept him stationary within the galaxy, all incurring weakness. while his moving fortress executor symbolised him moving on and embracing the conquering aspect of the dark side, allowing him wreac havoc across the galaxy. btw - thumbnail just scream Papa Roach. The Executor even looks like a razor.
Dude , no ! think about it a bit. Mustafar was a fortress build on a king volcano. It must have stank to high heaven even through his facemask. The ground water would have been contaminated with sulphur and everything would have been constantly covered in soot . I mean , it'd be like living in a volcanic spa, right !?. Maybe it was good for his breathing , IDK , maybe that's why he stuck it out there for so long, but a super star destroyer ? , that was basically one long cruise.
Thats True about Vader's focus changing once he learned about Luke. It motivated him and made it his new reason for being. Imagine finding out Palpatine lied to you on the the most important level all that time? Phew!
Why wouldn't he live there? It's the size of a city and slightly less sparsely populated. One should never run out of things to do in a ship that big. Arenas, games, shopping malls, restaurants and all kinds of recreational facilities.
Nicely done. I agree with the analysis, but to me the main reason for Vader living on Mustafa was self-punishment for killing the woman he loved. By learning that he has a son he realized that Padme did not die by his hand and therefore his self created purgatory became obsolete. I always considered Vaders lag of emotion a sign of superiority. Your interpretation as part of depression intervening with the codex of the Sith is brilliant.
To become what you fought, just like the phase 1 dark troopers who were clones Anakin fought battledroids during the clone wars.. that sort of Depression must hit very hard former clones that were dark troopers would commit suicide... how vader avoided that alone is amazing.
It was good to get out from Mustafar, and to have a real agenda to pursue. So, vaguely related question; in canon now, how did the Emperor find out about Luke? By Jedi, he seems to know, and Vader is aware he knows. It's still a bit clunky how each intends for things to go,but they know, abd are at least sort of collaborating. In Legends, at least, Palpatine was famous for, among other things, his prophetic ability; he could see the futures better than most, and act accordingly. His position as Emperor, but also his remoteness from his Empire's day to day, allowed him the marathon farseeing meditations needed to do this, but what about in canon? When does he discover Luke, and let Vader know he's aware? It would seem that by ESB, he openly knows, and hadn't kept it a secret he did, but how did it come to be?
True but he heard the skywalker name he knew padme was pregnant I don’t think she died from a broken heart I think palpy used the force to pull her life force into Vader atleast that’s what I gather from revenge of the sith she’s dying as Vader is given life in the suit palpy wasn’t really lying in the you killed her vader did kill her by existing
He’s the Emperor of a galaxy spanning empire. He has many means at his disposal to gleam such information. The name ‘Skywalker’ had likely slipped from (some random) Rebel in the know, who knew that Luke (was the one who had) destroyed the Death Star at Yavin IV. For all we know, Holonet News and the (what passes for) Holonet social media sites were all of this story months before Palpatine decided to call Vader and break the news to him that he had a son. It’s possible that the Bounty Hunter that Vader had hired to (find) the guy that blew up the Death Star, posted the info before telling Vader, in hopes of playing the field for a better bounty payout offer.
Going into this video I thought it'd have something to do with Vader realizing that living in one place would make him an easy target, like the Death Star had been, so moving into the mobile fortress that was the Executor made more tactical sense, but I liked your reasoning so much better. (And yes I know the Death Star had hyperdrives in it and could move but I imagine not as freely as a star destroyer or any other ship for that matter.)
I think Mustifar gave Vader a place to absorb the wisdom of the Sith Ghosts who where there. So... after a point that isn't strong enough for Vader to be able to get stronger. The need to face the rebels and Luke was a driving force to use the knowledge Vader gained from the Sith ghosts on Mustifar.
I think vader eventually came to realize the dangers of being surrounded by lava. As the old Jedi saying goes, fool me cut off my limbs and toss me into lava that burns off my skin and leaves me crippled and entombed within a cybernetic husk for the rest of my life _once_ shame on you. Fool me cut off my limbs and toss me into lava that burns off my skin and leaves me crippled and entombed within a cybernetic husk for the rest of my life _twice,_ shame on me.
Wasn't stated in a canon comic series that the place where Vader's palace stood served as some sort focal point of the Force on this planet, and even ancient Sith architect sough to dabble in its powers himself millenia ago?
When Vader was defeated it was then he became a monster. He retrained himself all over again, and the darkness grew. He became exactly like Darth Sidious; an insidious creature of the dark.
What ever happened to Vaders Castle after his death tho was it destroyed in legends or Canon did it become a dark void or so I can’t explain kinda like what happened on Endor
In the choice between an epic looking but miserable volcano fortress and a 50,000,000,000 ton nearly invincible city/battleship hybrid, I know which one I would want to live on. Tho, I may be slightly biased due to the Executor being my favorite Star Wars character.
I'm not sure I'd describe the Executor as "nearly invincible" when it was destroyed by a single A-Wing crashing into it's bridge, sending it plummeting into the Second Death Star.
@@namikstudios Return of the Jedi did make it appear too easy. However, consider the official chain of events: 1: Palpatine ties the Executor’s hands, forcing it to pull its punches cuz he wants the Death Star to slowly one-shot all the Rebels 2: The Death Star loses its shields, shifting Imperial attention to try to defend *it* 3: (the most important step) Admiral Ackbar orders the entire Rebel fleet, consisting of dozens of capital ships, to “concentrate all fire” on the Executor. And remember, the fleets were now at dangerously close proximity (to prevent the Death Star from using its superlaser) 4: With the Executor’s primary shields badly weakened, starfighter missile strikes bring down her bridge shields 5: The aforementioned A-wing crashes into the bridge 6: The Executor was in the middle of a maneuver near the Death Star, allowing a catastrophic collision before auxiliary control could be asserted It’s sad that most of these elements had to be explained by supplementary media, but this was because the explanation was NEEDED. The Executor outweighed a Star Destroyer 1000 to 1, and what was depicted onscreen was recognized as insufficient.
@@WillFredward7167 yeah I agree that the Imperial's incompetence and mismanagement certainly made it more vulnerable than it should have been. Even at the the last minute Admiral Piett orders "intensive fire from the forward batteries, I don't want anything to get through" but evidently they all missed the A-Wing and it get through. Piett recognized the danger and gave orders to mitigate it but the Imperials all have terrible aim!
Mustafar was Vader's past, but he was finally ready to build a future; a thing, for the longest time, he didn't believe he had. I'd also assume that it helped that the Executor was both mobile, and a nexus point of Imperial communications. On some level, almost any Star Destroyer could have done, and then there were even faster, smaller ships, if speed had been truly crucial, but the Executor was basically the mobile heart of the web, regarding what the fleet was doing, and what its assets had learned. If Vader wasn't on the star dreadnought; if he had been meditating on Mustafar, the likes of Admiral Ozzel might've kept the information from ever reaching Vader, or at least in a timely enough manner to be useful. It was another whole step to transmit it to him, or the Inquisitors, and see if it filtered further to where it needed to go. The fleet could launch probes, but the results wouldn't just go Vader; they'd go to the Executor, and then MAYBE Vader, so he wanted to be in rhe center of the web; feeling any tugs, weighing their value, and being able to then immediately dispatch the proper response. Send a Star Destroyer, go himself, or deploy the entire fleet. All that, he could really only do from the flagship, and so that's where he placed himself; not dwelling in his past, but feeling for any strums of tension for his new future.
I imagine a scene after the battle of Endor, Luke went to Vader's castle on Mustafar. Inside, he finds a vault and the password for it is just one word: L-U-K-E.
I mean who wouldn't abandon their house for a city-sized death machine that could travel across the galaxy in a few hours, especially when it looks so cool??? I mean yeah, lava castle is cool, but come on, the Executer was something else!
I like hearing these extrapolations, and this one is certainly fascinating. It does fit with Vader's ethos perfectly. Makes me wonder what became of Fortress Vader. (LEGO specials don't count!)
There’s a Star Wars vr game that takes place in vaders fortress on mustafar idk if it’s cannon though. (Also the game is called Vader immortal if you want to get it. Also Also it’s not just one game it’s a 3 episode series of games on pcvr and all 3 quest headsets)
The real question is how would anyone know who Luke Skywalker is? Vader never told anyone (not even Emperor Sidious) that Padme was pregnant and he was tricked into believing that he killed them both on Mustafar. As far as Vader was concerned, Luke was dead so there was no reason for Obi-wan to worry about the Empire looking for Luke.
@@loudboy317 plot-wise that is true but there is a massive plot-hole with that - Sidious would have been able to sense that Padme was pregnant. Not only pregnant but pregnant with twins. So would all the Jedi. Indeed Obi Wan even mentions it to her and states that "Anakin is the father, isn't he."
@@namikstudios Yes, but Sidious never sensed Luke's presence at all until after he blew up the death star. Sidious couldn't sense Leia either and he only found out about her when he overheard Vader saying that Luke has a twin sister. For someone who claimed to foresee everything, Sidious couldn't have foreseen Padme giving birth to the 2 people who will bring about his own downfall.
"Even installing personal Bacta tank and a meditation chamber" ... no way they found space and the power budget on beast like that, without Vader chocking some officers to death. 🙂 If I had been Vader, I'd have made them install those creature comforts in every ship 😛
The Executor was also a way to link his rank within the empire to his personal interest in Luke. By hunting down the rebels.. he could also force Luke out.. kill 2 birds with one stone
Slight problem for that. If that was the case, then why when he finally got his son, he handed him directly to the Emperor, so that his master could help convince Luke to replace him. Did he not see this coming? It seemed pretty obvious. Infact, when Luke was going to kill the emperor, maybe he should have blocked him, maybe he should have let them happen and when the emperor stopped him, vader could have helped his son at that time. Over-throwing the emperor was top priority, after all. And then he could try to turn his son. That whole part was not planned out at all.
I personally think he hated his next-door neighbors, which would be the inquisitors every time that man’s in a back to tank all they do is throw parties. All kidding aside. Yes, I do agree with you.
I wonder what would've happened had Darth Vader abandoned Mustafar a lot sooner and lived on one personal flag ship or another throughout his time as a Sith Lord?
ive alwsys wondered how much of a difference in his personality and how acted when he was alone and place to place on Mustafar and how acted when he was around subordinates snd imperial leadership
Did he? Good thing Legends is different and has him actualy having an entire Fortress but not on musafail. Vejun where ONLY force user and heavy equipment could survive was more fitting. Also given he hunts luke throughout the aftermath of ESB its only normal that he didnt have time anymore. Things where in motion and he wanted a shot to do his thing, wich included killing papa palps.
It might be a weird question, but I wonder how his suit was handled when he was in a bacta tank. Did anyone ever do maintenance work on it? Could it be cleaned like a piece of cloth? 🤔🤔🤔
I just realised Anakin when he was on Mustafar actually did kill everyone that was on Mustafar. First the separatists, Padme (indirectly), Anakin into Vader, Obi wan years later and finally the emperor
Its simple. Bring a good R rated director. And make a 12 episode TV show of vader. Go all out on the violence and depression of his. Until he learns of luke and we get the ultimate morale self battle of film history.
I think vaders pain fed the emperor instead of himself. In the episode III novelization it talks about how he's now a perfect gem of rage and pain. He feeds the pain, and learns to control the rage, but doesn't power up right like a normal Sith. Palps was leeching those powerups. Cuz he could, so why wouldn't he. If vader was a worthy apprentice as is in the rule of 2, he'd stop him.
Anakin Skywalker basically ceased to exist after briefly fighting his way to the surface to utter the words “I am not your failure Obi-Wan”. “You didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker” he was then consumed by Vader who then proudly proclaimed “I did”. That was the day that he truly became just Vader. One of the biggest reasons a lot of fans do not understand Vaders actions in the Kenobi series. It’s because in that series, that was not Darth Vader. That was a broken, destroyed, twisted and evil Anakin Skywalker. Who wanted to die, or exact a terrible revenge on the man he blamed for his failures and the cruelty of his continued existence, his brother, mentor and master Obi-Wan Kenobi. When the Death Star was destroyed and he discovered that he had a son, Anakin Skywalker was reborn. But not as the defeated walking corpse he had been before. But as a pure embodiment of the light side of the force, Love. I think it’s also why he became more dangerous as he started to master both light and dark in balance. Just as he would later be entrusted to do in the force Netherworld as the new Father, and guardian and gatekeeper of the world between worlds and the force and Time itself. It’s something I never realised until I rewatched everything. Darth Vader only really existed as the sole personality for 10 years, of course being born in the bloodbath and massacre of the Tusken Raider tribe on Tatooine in 22BBY. When the existence of Luke Skywalker was discovered, he became split into two once more, Anakin Skywalker began to grow again. He is such an awesome character and so interesting to deep dive into, because his weaknesses and failures are known to all of us. What ultimately led to his downfall was what also led to his redemption. It also is a metaphor that a person sometimes be broken and destroyed, hit absolute rock bottom to then be able be reborn from the ashes to fulfill their true purpose in life.
It's funny. As a Jedi, Anakin had nothing but passion when he should have had peace. As a Sith, Vader should have had passion, but instead had nothing but depression.
Imagine being the cleaning person on the Executor responsible for cleaning Vader's office 😬. I'm going to say it: the e whole Sith code is… really dumb. "There is no peace, only passion…" What the hell does that even mean? It doesn't even make sense. Of course peace exists, you can objectively see it and map it out. Passion is the most fleeting of emotions, and the easiest to be manipulated. Desire, hatred, fear; anyone with even the most rudimentary vocabulary could come up with half a dozen better choices off the top of their head. You never hear characters use the word "passion" in reference to the Sith, or the dark side.
The passion thing means using your emotions to drive your actions. Jedi were motivated by logic and calm, whereas the dark siders were fueled by rage and desire. In word terms, its using passion as a synonym for emotion.
From the Sith POW it would be like: "Peace is when the powerful and the superior pretend to be the equals of the weak. Therefore, peace is a lie. Reality is where the strong crushes the weak to realize their passions."
@@silvercat18 Passion also covers the investment in the emotion, as well as its intensity. It's not enough to feel hatred. The Sith must burn with hatred and make what they hate suffer.
I really don't get the return on investment in Star Wars - Vader lived above a literal nexus of Darkside energies, but didn't become Superman, or regenerate his body, etc.; so, wouldn't it make sense to move to a far more useful location, given his occupation, once he realized that the touted benefits of living on an evil volcano planet turned out to be just hype?
there's a cool scene in the Shadows of the Empire novel where Vader starts to heal himself but the nature of the dark side makes him angry about his disfigruement so the healing stops
Was it the right decision to leave and relocate to the executor? Absolutely. Vader was always a man of action. Quitely brooding and ruminating over past failures would leave him broken and worthless. At some point, we all have to move forward. And the mobility and power of the Executor was a perfect combination to facilitate his growth into a Sith Lord
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To be fair, I’m not sure it was the Executor, as much as it was knowing that it was Luke was alive. Yes, the two coincided together, but you can argue Vader would have been equally powerful on any ship with the goal of tracking Luke Skywalker.
Wouldn't the Executor Be a Highly Advanced State of the Art Weapon Of Terror Upgraded with the Most Advanced Technology Available and one of the Most Advanced Bacta Tanks
not sure if this will get read by the stupendous wave but here goes. Just an idea on a new video for you not sure if you have done this topic before. But why not do one on what would of Anakin have done if he learned that both Count Dooku and Palpatine were responsible for his mothers death at the hands of the sand people, And that it was because of Palpatine that Padme really died because the images put in his head of her dying were all fake. Do you think he would of killed Palpatine and become a Jedi Master and lived a long and happy life with Padme, Luke and Leia or would he of still Joined the Darkside and ruled the Galaxy as he saw fit.
Because Mustafar is an awful planet to live, and the place where he lost everything he had, the Executor is a modern and beautiful Super Star Destroyer from which he could control every military operation after the destruction of the Death Star and searching for Luke
So I've been doing some thinking. Thse channels are actually doing more harm to star wars. You probably dont like Disney wars but you give it validity by addressing it. I know you HAVE to because it's your thing and how you get your money but I hate the new cannon so much. Once the populace felt the same way about the prequels but years of videos and acceptance of the terrible story and plot points put down (like somehow yoda is tainted by the dark side, ashoka is still alive and maul being alive) are accepted as good stories by many and I worry if you guys keep doing the same thing with disney cannon the same thing will happen. Back in my day wr all expected the clones to be the attackers. Now everyone accepts them as the defending force against droids. I dont want people to accept Disney. I dont want people to think vader lost potential in the force because that's not how the force works.
The executor had air conditioning.
I’m fucking done………😂🤦🏻♂️
And less sand than mustafar
Every flagship has air conditioners
Reason enough for me 🤷🏻♂️
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Seeing Vader’s potential for property; in another life, Anakin could’ve been The Dark Lord of The Real Estate world.
Nice one, friend.
Then he would have to compete with Lord Frieza.
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it's a real knife fight down here on Mustafar
There's a fine real estate agent with a naughty Twitter, in a better world I'd be seeing Darth TaTa's.
This video brings up an excellent point. I hear a lot of people say Vader didn't go to Tatooine for a long time because of all this trauma involving it, yet he set up personal HQ on Mustafar of all places.
The only real answer is screenwriters having a flair for the dramatic and Mustafar looks a lot cooler than Tatooine.
Not only that but it would also be a massive plothole if there was a significant Imperial force as well as Vader, while simultaneously Luke and Obi-Wan remain hidden from the Empire. For a day they could pull it off but I’m sure over the course of years Vader would feel them there
Mustafar is where Vader was truly born, when Tatooine is place where Anakin was born and where he was slave, lost his mother etc.
No sand on mustafar.
Tatooine was Anakin's trauma. Mustafar was Vader's.
Another, potential important, reason for this movement was that he had also closed a very important chapter that had brought him down on Mustafar to begin with: Kenobi.
Obi-Wan had been one of the major ties due to Vader's defeat at his hand on that very plannet, and he had finally, after so many years obsessing about him, finally ended his former master, the lowest point of his exsistance.
The Executor was a statement of drive.
Following Mustafar, Vader was… listless.
His potential squandered by his injuries and his wallowing on the past.
He had no future, no drive, no hope to do much of anything.
The pursuit of strength meant nothing with no purpose behind it.
Luke was indeed a New Hope for Vader as well, unfortunately for some that resolve made Vader a much more active and potent force.
I've always found it interesting that the Jedi and Sith both encourage a person to move on from trauma it's certainly for different reasons and motivations but that parallel is fascinating.
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This theory makes a lot of sense. On Mustafar he just wallowed in the past. At least on Vajun he had his training facility and his starfighter workshop and kept active. But it was on his SSD that his fire, his passion was rekindled and he truly became a Dark Lord of the Sith.
I think Vader was able to largely forget about his failures on Mustafar when put the place up on AirBnB. His focus on Luke may not have been purely familial, though. It may have focused more simply on someone strong enough with the Force to help him eliminate the Emperor. Maybe?
I feel it was a variety of factors. Part of it was familial, as a large part of Anakin's dreams were to have a family, since the loss of his mother affected him greatly, not to mention the loss of Padme also dealt a blow to him. Another part was the desire for power and to rule as well. There was not a singular reason for his sudden increase in power.
How uncharacteristically humane of the Emperor, to encourage Vader to move on from trauma.
I aliken Vader to a walking corpse or tomb, a mausoleum to failure pain and depression, all that Vader knows, the discovery of Luke Skywalker ignited the spark that turned Vader into a legitimate and powerful threat, but this spark of life also ignited the sparks of Anakin, and slowly but surely Anakin started to resuscitate within the dark lord of the Sith, slowly but surely Anakin clawed his way out of the darkness that was Vader and then to save his son, the once powerful chosen one, broke free of the broken dark lord to save his son
This is because Anakin and Vader are still the same person. Anakin is Vader's innocence. But as you watch the Clone Wars, you do see Anakins as much a dark sider as a light sider. He fell to the dark side for the same reason he got back to the light. Anakin was always passionate. His drive as a jedi was to protect everyone. Unfortunately this rather noble ideal is also very easy to manipulate due to the fact its impossible.
@roycehuepers4325 actually had the jedi granted him master he could have gone into the archives and looked up ways to save padme them denying him that pushed him to palpy who was the one putting the vision into ani them denying him pushed him to the only one who could give him the knowledge
@@jimbowlan5804 They had mutual dislike for each other, I remember hearing this from a video on why Palpatine is the GOAT, and it is "The prequels are about a religious order finding the Messiah, and handing him to the devil." this is eerily prescient on how the Jedi and Palpatine handled Anakin, the Jedi pushed Anakin away, pushed his compassion for others away and punished him for it (See how he handled things like Obi-Wan's 'Death' and Ahsoka's trial) they punished him for being attached. He couldn't form a relationship with his master Obi-Wan and instead Latched onto the positive reinforcement of Palpatine, Anakin didn't deserve to be a Jedi master, his reaction to being placed on the council (while justified) showed he wasn't ready for that role, however it isn't just petulance, he is hearing from someone very close to him that he is a powerful Jedi, and is worthy of the rank, but the Jedi fear he is becoming powerful. This is what he is hearing from someone he trusts very much. And when his Wife was in danger of dying, and the Jedi offered no support (His all but confession to Yoda), Palpatine, again someone Anakin trusts and cares for very deeply offered the solution, and yet he did go to the Jedi with this information, and he goes to save Palpatine afterward, but Mace has Palpatine defeated and is going for the kill, at that moment, Mace proves himself a Hypocrite in his eyes, since he had killed an unarmed man (Dooku) and he knows he shouldn't have, Mace proved the Jedi Hypocrites, and it led to Anakin retaliating to defend Palpatine, and from their, the fell, brought to the brink of molten death, and like the devil, he restores the mutilated and immolated man into a monster dropped in black and machinery, entombed in a skull-like mask of what was once a face, and condemning Anakin into becoming the ruthless destructive monster known as Vader, who was all but incapable of caring or showing any form of compassion for another being.
Basically a 19km Motor Home.
Through passion I gain strength...
He found his motivation again;family: his tie to Padme
Building his palace on a cliff, Vader/Anakin finally found/had the high ground.
The highest ground is a star ship.
I'mma take a wild guess before I hear you out: his Mustafar base symbolised his obsession with the past and kept him stationary within the galaxy, all incurring weakness. while his moving fortress executor symbolised him moving on and embracing the conquering aspect of the dark side, allowing him wreac havoc across the galaxy.
btw - thumbnail just scream Papa Roach. The Executor even looks like a razor.
Dude , no ! think about it a bit. Mustafar was a fortress build on a king volcano. It must have stank to high heaven even through his facemask. The ground water would have been contaminated with sulphur and everything would have been constantly covered in soot . I mean , it'd be like living in a volcanic spa, right !?. Maybe it was good for his breathing , IDK , maybe that's why he stuck it out there for so long, but a super star destroyer ? , that was basically one long cruise.
He moved to the star destroyer so he could have the high ground. Duh.
@@joeybulford5266 Space: the final high ground
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Exactly
@@Ethan-wr2osbruh space has no ground
Darth Vader: far from home
Thats True about Vader's focus changing once he learned about Luke. It motivated him and made it his new reason for being. Imagine finding out Palpatine lied to you on the the most important level all that time? Phew!
the fortress was static and dead, the Executor is arrow-like and always moving
One of the more fascinating perspectives I’ve heard recently. Great job as always @TheStupendousWave
Why wouldn't he live there? It's the size of a city and slightly less sparsely populated. One should never run out of things to do in a ship that big. Arenas, games, shopping malls, restaurants and all kinds of recreational facilities.
The reason he moved was to save money on gas. And the ship has a decent starbucks and spots by windows to brood.
Not R2 or C3PO. The 2 clones that were with palps and the lava river workers.
Man of culture who knows how to pronounce "Executor". May the force be with you.
Not to mention, the Executer really was a nice ship!
Darth Vader sure as a lot of homes l want to see his other homes in future of star wars
Airbnb
Thinking about it. He might have had insight to be sure he would never be caught on a planet with a Death Star like weapon could kill him.
Not enough Imperial officers around to force-choke on Mustafar! Plenty on the Executor.
Nicely done. I agree with the analysis, but to me the main reason for Vader living on Mustafa was self-punishment for killing the woman he loved. By learning that he has a son he realized that Padme did not die by his hand and therefore his self created purgatory became obsolete.
I always considered Vaders lag of emotion a sign of superiority. Your interpretation as part of depression intervening with the codex of the Sith is brilliant.
So pretty much Vader went "I have a son?" and thus ended up on the Executor?
To become what you fought, just like the phase 1 dark troopers who were clones Anakin fought battledroids during the clone wars.. that sort of Depression must hit very hard former clones that were dark troopers would commit suicide... how vader avoided that alone is amazing.
It was good to get out from Mustafar, and to have a real agenda to pursue.
So, vaguely related question; in canon now, how did the Emperor find out about Luke? By Jedi, he seems to know, and Vader is aware he knows. It's still a bit clunky how each intends for things to go,but they know, abd are at least sort of collaborating. In Legends, at least, Palpatine was famous for, among other things, his prophetic ability; he could see the futures better than most, and act accordingly. His position as Emperor, but also his remoteness from his Empire's day to day, allowed him the marathon farseeing meditations needed to do this, but what about in canon? When does he discover Luke, and let Vader know he's aware? It would seem that by ESB, he openly knows, and hadn't kept it a secret he did, but how did it come to be?
Palpatine literally made his vision alter reality to suit his purpose.
True but he heard the skywalker name he knew padme was pregnant I don’t think she died from a broken heart I think palpy used the force to pull her life force into Vader atleast that’s what I gather from revenge of the sith she’s dying as Vader is given life in the suit palpy wasn’t really lying in the you killed her vader did kill her by existing
He’s the Emperor of a galaxy spanning empire. He has many means at his disposal to gleam such information.
The name ‘Skywalker’ had likely slipped from (some random) Rebel in the know, who knew that Luke (was the one who had) destroyed the Death Star at Yavin IV.
For all we know, Holonet News and the (what passes for) Holonet social media sites were all of this story months before Palpatine decided to call Vader and break the news to him that he had a son.
It’s possible that the Bounty Hunter that Vader had hired to (find) the guy that blew up the Death Star, posted the info before telling Vader, in hopes of playing the field for a better bounty payout offer.
He works a lot and this way he doesn't have to wait for the ship to come and get him nearly as long.
Going into this video I thought it'd have something to do with Vader realizing that living in one place would make him an easy target, like the Death Star had been, so moving into the mobile fortress that was the Executor made more tactical sense, but I liked your reasoning so much better. (And yes I know the Death Star had hyperdrives in it and could move but I imagine not as freely as a star destroyer or any other ship for that matter.)
Name of the background soundtrack used throughout the video? The sinister, eerie background music.
The meditation chamber was mobile he took it with him.when he travelled. On various ships
I think Mustifar gave Vader a place to absorb the wisdom of the Sith Ghosts who where there. So... after a point that isn't strong enough for Vader to be able to get stronger.
The need to face the rebels and Luke was a driving force to use the knowledge Vader gained from the Sith ghosts on Mustifar.
I think vader eventually came to realize the dangers of being surrounded by lava. As the old Jedi saying goes, fool me cut off my limbs and toss me into lava that burns off my skin and leaves me crippled and entombed within a cybernetic husk for the rest of my life _once_ shame on you. Fool me cut off my limbs and toss me into lava that burns off my skin and leaves me crippled and entombed within a cybernetic husk for the rest of my life _twice,_ shame on me.
Wasn't stated in a canon comic series that the place where Vader's palace stood served as some sort focal point of the Force on this planet, and even ancient Sith architect sough to dabble in its powers himself millenia ago?
When Vader was defeated it was then he became a monster. He retrained himself all over again, and the darkness grew. He became exactly like Darth Sidious; an insidious creature of the dark.
,,why moving to the Executor made him more powerful?”
Maybe because now he had an entire freaking warship with him at all times???
Cause who would not want to live on the Volcano Planet where you lost both legs and got horribly burnt?
What ever happened to Vaders Castle after his death tho was it destroyed in legends or Canon did it become a dark void or so I can’t explain kinda like what happened on Endor
Even a Dark Lord needs to move on from his past failure and so do you
“And Vader woke up!” Nah, Anakin did
In the choice between an epic looking but miserable volcano fortress and a 50,000,000,000 ton nearly invincible city/battleship hybrid, I know which one I would want to live on.
Tho, I may be slightly biased due to the Executor being my favorite Star Wars character.
In the Marvel Comics version, novel Darth Vader's ship was The Executioner. Kenner, the licensed toy maker asked Lucas & ILM to change the ship name.
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Oh wow I never knew that. That’s more fitting for Vader’s Ship.
I'm not sure I'd describe the Executor as "nearly invincible" when it was destroyed by a single A-Wing crashing into it's bridge, sending it plummeting into the Second Death Star.
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Return of the Jedi did make it appear too easy. However, consider the official chain of events:
1: Palpatine ties the Executor’s hands, forcing it to pull its punches cuz he wants the Death Star to slowly one-shot all the Rebels
2: The Death Star loses its shields, shifting Imperial attention to try to defend *it*
3: (the most important step) Admiral Ackbar orders the entire Rebel fleet, consisting of dozens of capital ships, to “concentrate all fire” on the Executor. And remember, the fleets were now at dangerously close proximity (to prevent the Death Star from using its superlaser)
4: With the Executor’s primary shields badly weakened, starfighter missile strikes bring down her bridge shields
5: The aforementioned A-wing crashes into the bridge
6: The Executor was in the middle of a maneuver near the Death Star, allowing a catastrophic collision before auxiliary control could be asserted
It’s sad that most of these elements had to be explained by supplementary media, but this was because the explanation was NEEDED. The Executor outweighed a Star Destroyer 1000 to 1, and what was depicted onscreen was recognized as insufficient.
@@WillFredward7167 yeah I agree that the Imperial's incompetence and mismanagement certainly made it more vulnerable than it should have been. Even at the the last minute Admiral Piett orders "intensive fire from the forward batteries, I don't want anything to get through" but evidently they all missed the A-Wing and it get through. Piett recognized the danger and gave orders to mitigate it but the Imperials all have terrible aim!
Can you imagine going to see Vader’s place, as something like “sith cribs” or something like that.
Because Mustafar was retconned into existence, like a lot of things by any of the pre-ANH films/shows/books.
Mustafar was Vader's past, but he was finally ready to build a future; a thing, for the longest time, he didn't believe he had. I'd also assume that it helped that the Executor was both mobile, and a nexus point of Imperial communications. On some level, almost any Star Destroyer could have done, and then there were even faster, smaller ships, if speed had been truly crucial, but the Executor was basically the mobile heart of the web, regarding what the fleet was doing, and what its assets had learned. If Vader wasn't on the star dreadnought; if he had been meditating on Mustafar, the likes of Admiral Ozzel might've kept the information from ever reaching Vader, or at least in a timely enough manner to be useful. It was another whole step to transmit it to him, or the Inquisitors, and see if it filtered further to where it needed to go. The fleet could launch probes, but the results wouldn't just go Vader; they'd go to the Executor, and then MAYBE Vader, so he wanted to be in rhe center of the web; feeling any tugs, weighing their value, and being able to then immediately dispatch the proper response. Send a Star Destroyer, go himself, or deploy the entire fleet. All that, he could really only do from the flagship, and so that's where he placed himself; not dwelling in his past, but feeling for any strums of tension for his new future.
I love watching these videos, very well done!
I imagine a scene after the battle of Endor, Luke went to Vader's castle on Mustafar. Inside, he finds a vault and the password for it is just one word: L-U-K-E.
What’s inside? Wait let me guess…
Air
@@GAMER32231 Could have been worst: Sand
I mean who wouldn't abandon their house for a city-sized death machine that could travel across the galaxy in a few hours, especially when it looks so cool??? I mean yeah, lava castle is cool, but come on, the Executer was something else!
I like hearing these extrapolations, and this one is certainly fascinating. It does fit with Vader's ethos perfectly. Makes me wonder what became of Fortress Vader. (LEGO specials don't count!)
There’s a Star Wars vr game that takes place in vaders fortress on mustafar idk if it’s cannon though. (Also the game is called Vader immortal if you want to get it. Also Also it’s not just one game it’s a 3 episode series of games on pcvr and all 3 quest headsets)
@@GAMER32231 I've played it. Loved it. Until VR started giving me severe motion sickness. Even a video of the games does it.
@@pangaeawriter8766 bruh why does anyone get motion sickness from vr headsets? I don’t!
@@GAMER32231 I honestly don't know. I'm not the only one though.
Never understood why they didn’t change Luke’s name from Skywalker.
It was probably a rather common last name on Tatooine, so they felt no need to.
The real question is how would anyone know who Luke Skywalker is? Vader never told anyone (not even Emperor Sidious) that Padme was pregnant and he was tricked into believing that he killed them both on Mustafar. As far as Vader was concerned, Luke was dead so there was no reason for Obi-wan to worry about the Empire looking for Luke.
@@loudboy317 plot-wise that is true but there is a massive plot-hole with that - Sidious would have been able to sense that Padme was pregnant. Not only pregnant but pregnant with twins. So would all the Jedi. Indeed Obi Wan even mentions it to her and states that "Anakin is the father, isn't he."
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Yes, but Sidious never sensed Luke's presence at all until after he blew up the death star. Sidious couldn't sense Leia either and he only found out about her when he overheard Vader saying that Luke has a twin sister. For someone who claimed to foresee everything, Sidious couldn't have foreseen Padme giving birth to the 2 people who will bring about his own downfall.
Look at the Canon comics there was a dark side nexus underneath his castle that strengthened his dark side connection.
Interesting thought, I believe it began once Vader "defeated" Obi-wan on the Death Star, He "cut" his ties.
Strange how it has been said that pain doesn't increase a sith lords power since vader was put into a suit that mainly caused him pain.
"Even installing personal Bacta tank and a meditation chamber" ... no way they found space and the power budget on beast like that, without Vader chocking some officers to death. 🙂 If I had been Vader, I'd have made them install those creature comforts in every ship 😛
I'm sure the capitol ships have Bacta tanks, but to have one dedicated to "personal use" is beyond luxury standards
The Executor was also a way to link his rank within the empire to his personal interest in Luke. By hunting down the rebels.. he could also force Luke out.. kill 2 birds with one stone
Slight problem for that. If that was the case, then why when he finally got his son, he handed him directly to the Emperor, so that his master could help convince Luke to replace him. Did he not see this coming? It seemed pretty obvious. Infact, when Luke was going to kill the emperor, maybe he should have blocked him, maybe he should have let them happen and when the emperor stopped him, vader could have helped his son at that time. Over-throwing the emperor was top priority, after all. And then he could try to turn his son. That whole part was not planned out at all.
Bonus cool points for correct pronunciation of Executor 😁
I personally think he hated his next-door neighbors, which would be the inquisitors every time that man’s in a back to tank all they do is throw parties. All kidding aside. Yes, I do agree with you.
Brilliant, thanks as always. Love these looks into Vader's psyche
I wonder how much the electric bill and more specifically the air conditioning cost for Vaders castle on Mustafar?
I wonder what would've happened had Darth Vader abandoned Mustafar a lot sooner and lived on one personal flag ship or another throughout his time as a Sith Lord?
ive alwsys wondered how much of a difference in his personality and how acted when he was alone and place to place on Mustafar
and how acted when he was around subordinates snd imperial leadership
Like, does he have lounge wear?
Did he? Good thing Legends is different and has him actualy having an entire Fortress but not on musafail. Vejun where ONLY force user and heavy equipment could survive was more fitting. Also given he hunts luke throughout the aftermath of ESB its only normal that he didnt have time anymore. Things where in motion and he wanted a shot to do his thing, wich included killing papa palps.
It might be a weird question, but I wonder how his suit was handled when he was in a bacta tank.
Did anyone ever do maintenance work on it?
Could it be cleaned like a piece of cloth?
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It's a fun explanation but let's be real. The comic writers are just trying to top what he's already done to sell copies.
I just realised Anakin when he was on Mustafar actually did kill everyone that was on Mustafar. First the separatists, Padme (indirectly), Anakin into Vader, Obi wan years later and finally the emperor
Its simple.
Bring a good R rated director. And make a 12 episode TV show of vader. Go all out on the violence and depression of his. Until he learns of luke and we get the ultimate morale self battle of film history.
I think vaders pain fed the emperor instead of himself. In the episode III novelization it talks about how he's now a perfect gem of rage and pain. He feeds the pain, and learns to control the rage, but doesn't power up right like a normal Sith. Palps was leeching those powerups. Cuz he could, so why wouldn't he. If vader was a worthy apprentice as is in the rule of 2, he'd stop him.
Anakin Skywalker basically ceased to exist after briefly fighting his way to the surface to utter the words “I am not your failure Obi-Wan”. “You didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker” he was then consumed by Vader who then proudly proclaimed “I did”. That was the day that he truly became just Vader. One of the biggest reasons a lot of fans do not understand Vaders actions in the Kenobi series. It’s because in that series, that was not Darth Vader. That was a broken, destroyed, twisted and evil Anakin Skywalker. Who wanted to die, or exact a terrible revenge on the man he blamed for his failures and the cruelty of his continued existence, his brother, mentor and master Obi-Wan Kenobi. When the Death Star was destroyed and he discovered that he had a son, Anakin Skywalker was reborn. But not as the defeated walking corpse he had been before. But as a pure embodiment of the light side of the force, Love. I think it’s also why he became more dangerous as he started to master both light and dark in balance. Just as he would later be entrusted to do in the force Netherworld as the new Father, and guardian and gatekeeper of the world between worlds and the force and Time itself. It’s something I never realised until I rewatched everything. Darth Vader only really existed as the sole personality for 10 years, of course being born in the bloodbath and massacre of the Tusken Raider tribe on Tatooine in 22BBY. When the existence of Luke Skywalker was discovered, he became split into two once more, Anakin Skywalker began to grow again. He is such an awesome character and so interesting to deep dive into, because his weaknesses and failures are known to all of us. What ultimately led to his downfall was what also led to his redemption. It also is a metaphor that a person sometimes be broken and destroyed, hit absolute rock bottom to then be able be reborn from the ashes to fulfill their true purpose in life.
What made him move from the executor to the second Death Star?
To put the workers back on schedule. The emperor is not as forgiving as he is.
Even darkside users needed a reason to live. Vader found his.
Damn…Vader was ballin BALLIN! 😂😂
What you resist persists
I think it shows that he had found a purpose for the first time since the lava pit.
Well, considering Mustafar is a lava world, I imagine it got way to hot and unsafe to live.
My take:
Ones hot
The other has air conditioning
It's funny.
As a Jedi, Anakin had nothing but passion when he should have had peace.
As a Sith, Vader should have had passion, but instead had nothing but depression.
I’m thinking since he was constantly chasing the rebel leadership or beings sent on a similar mission by the emperor he just needed a mobile base.
Imagine being the cleaning person on the Executor responsible for cleaning Vader's office 😬.
I'm going to say it: the e whole Sith code is… really dumb. "There is no peace, only passion…"
What the hell does that even mean? It doesn't even make sense. Of course peace exists, you can objectively see it and map it out. Passion is the most fleeting of emotions, and the easiest to be manipulated.
Desire, hatred, fear; anyone with even the most rudimentary vocabulary could come up with half a dozen better choices off the top of their head. You never hear characters use the word "passion" in reference to the Sith, or the dark side.
The passion thing means using your emotions to drive your actions. Jedi were motivated by logic and calm, whereas the dark siders were fueled by rage and desire. In word terms, its using passion as a synonym for emotion.
From the Sith POW it would be like: "Peace is when the powerful and the superior pretend to be the equals of the weak. Therefore, peace is a lie. Reality is where the strong crushes the weak to realize their passions."
@@silvercat18 Passion also covers the investment in the emotion, as well as its intensity. It's not enough to feel hatred. The Sith must burn with hatred and make what they hate suffer.
Air Conditioning.
I really don't get the return on investment in Star Wars - Vader lived above a literal nexus of Darkside energies, but didn't become Superman, or regenerate his body, etc.; so, wouldn't it make sense to move to a far more useful location, given his occupation, once he realized that the touted benefits of living on an evil volcano planet turned out to be just hype?
there's a cool scene in the Shadows of the Empire novel where Vader starts to heal himself but the nature of the dark side makes him angry about his disfigruement so the healing stops
Was it the right decision to leave and relocate to the executor? Absolutely. Vader was always a man of action. Quitely brooding and ruminating over past failures would leave him broken and worthless. At some point, we all have to move forward. And the mobility and power of the Executor was a perfect combination to facilitate his growth into a Sith Lord
Does anyone know the name of the background music in this video???
Dude said “Exeggcutor”? What Vader lived on a Pokémon lol
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To be fair, I’m not sure it was the Executor, as much as it was knowing that it was Luke was alive. Yes, the two coincided together, but you can argue Vader would have been equally powerful on any ship with the goal of tracking Luke Skywalker.
Wouldn't the Executor Be a Highly Advanced State of the Art Weapon Of Terror Upgraded with the Most Advanced Technology Available and one of the Most Advanced Bacta Tanks
not sure if this will get read by the stupendous wave but here goes. Just an idea on a new video for you not sure if you have done this topic before. But why not do one on what would of Anakin have done if he learned that both Count Dooku and Palpatine were responsible for his mothers death at the hands of the sand people, And that it was because of Palpatine that Padme really died because the images put in his head of her dying were all fake. Do you think he would of killed Palpatine and become a Jedi Master and lived a long and happy life with Padme, Luke and Leia or would he of still Joined the Darkside and ruled the Galaxy as he saw fit.
Mustafar was Vader’s hell.
He obviously moved to the executor so he could have the high ground.
Because Mustafar is an awful planet to live, and the place where he lost everything he had, the Executor is a modern and beautiful Super Star Destroyer from which he could control every military operation after the destruction of the Death Star and searching for Luke
I can't think of a reason why Lord Vader would want to move from Mustafar. Maybe the lava rivers on Executor were prettier.
Having kids can really change you.
That houseboat life.
10 minute video about lore.
The actual reason: mustafar wasn’t a thing yet
Van life - Vader style!
So I've been doing some thinking. Thse channels are actually doing more harm to star wars. You probably dont like Disney wars but you give it validity by addressing it. I know you HAVE to because it's your thing and how you get your money but I hate the new cannon so much. Once the populace felt the same way about the prequels but years of videos and acceptance of the terrible story and plot points put down (like somehow yoda is tainted by the dark side, ashoka is still alive and maul being alive) are accepted as good stories by many and I worry if you guys keep doing the same thing with disney cannon the same thing will happen. Back in my day wr all expected the clones to be the attackers. Now everyone accepts them as the defending force against droids. I dont want people to accept Disney. I dont want people to think vader lost potential in the force because that's not how the force works.
i want a vader show
There's no sand in space ships