I have a really nice 02 Suburban 1500 LT which I will be putting a car audio system in it shortly. But it’s getting time I need a new main starting battery so what is a good Deep Cell battery for starting the suburban and running all those accessories? I’ve had Optima’s but they just don’t seem to last but maybe 2 years ever since Johnson Controls purchased them I hear they are not using near as pure of lead plates but don’t know if that’s true or not. . I will when I do my audio install add a second battery.😊
Optima quality has dropped significantly, I don’t use it recommended them at all. Even the XS deep cycles have been failing here in NY wheee it gets cold, in about 2 years. Both the XS and the Optima are pricey and not worth the extra cost. As for which deep cycle to use? I couldn’t say because for the past few years I’ve been using lithium banks.
The lithium cells they are using in the Titan 8 PWR batterys Are the LTO Toshiba 10ah scib cells and they sell them in a 5s,6s and 7s configuration and yes they are way over priced
@@justforlaughs8988 The Toshibas are the best. Got to get a good group of people together and make a bulk purchase for a pallet of them. Yes XS and Limitless, etc. are way overpriced and making a killing of of us.
The D4S lto 6 is made to pair with AGM. It's only somewhat worth the $400 if you have high output alternator. It'll power a 5000 watt system (only as a secondary!) If you have a 300+ amp alternator. You can make your own cheaper but if you want the comfort and peace of mind of a safe reliable lithium battery it's a good choice. Also the xspower sb500 can pair with AGM and go under the hood.
Everyone needs to do this on failed batteries. I'm always always curious what cells all these battery companies all use. Xs power diy battery boxes are 79 to 99 each. I've made a bunch of 64ah Headway 38120 banks that drop right in an empty 3100 box. I'd rather go with mine than theirs. Ik what's in mine at least.
@@MasterDJRennhey bro i wanna ask can these batteries used in house hold inverter instead of lead acid batteries? I don't know the maths and anything about these batteries but i had a pretty old lead acid battery in my house inverter which was about 8 ah 12v and weighs about 25 to 30 kgs. So i was always wondering lithiums are compact and light so why don't people use these at homes?
The headway cell and really good. It has something like a 15c rating. I myself have a small 32ah bank. You are correct, you can make a diy batter for MUCH cheaper and in many cases, better than some overpriced commercial stuff.
I have to disagree......Thise battey was powering a relatively small system and the voltage drop like a brick.......Their justification for their ridiculous price is to slap an XS power sticker on it.
@@MasterDJRenn Disagree all you want about the battery itself. Doesn't change the fact that those cells are some of the best LFP cells available, from the company that makes the best LFP cells available. A third party company OVER RATING IT, and charging an arm and a leg for it, is the issue. XS Power...
@@diylithiumguy That’s my issue all along. Granted the individual cells are good and relatively inexpensive, the justification for selling they battery for over $2500 just isn’t there. One comment on this video asked me is I could build him a battery and offer a warranty for under $2500. Probably implying that why the $2500 price tag. They didn’t honor the warranty on this battery and others that I personally know of ( cells didn’t fail, the BMS did)
So is it better to stick to the DIY Yinglong builds ? I'm asking because I'm interested in replacing all my AGM batteries.. pls advice im new to lithium & want to understand more..
@@Mast3rBait3r Lithium cells are pretty cheap. Yeah LTO are the most expensive of the bunch but nowhere near as expensive as they were 5 years ago. Its a little under $1,000 per kwh. XS is taxing people for some fake ass cells
@@MasterDJRenn yea a few buddies actually bought a few and voltage still suck xs power should pay everyone back by ripping them off those lithuim reason why I don’t fuck with their new lithium as well till I see reviews or live results
@@Emperor_1971 A friend had 4, paid close to $10k and voltage still dropped to low 13's and that with a good HO alternator with only a 7.5K amp yet they claim 15,000 watts x 4, should of been able to run a 60,000 watt system. Look like they are made from no name off the shelf Chinese cells, probably cost less tha $100 to make and sells for $2700. I even had for of the D3400 AGM back in the day and they all died in less that 2 years.
@@MasterDJRenn yea I’m at Steve Meade page voicing what me n a few people was disappointed in the xs 36k n he blow up on me like I was talking bout his stuff lol if certain things I buy expensive n work I’ll be quite but if they don’t I ain’t gonna sit n say yeah they badass lol I’m speak out
@@Emperor_1971 Lol, most of his stuff is waaaaay overpriced, i dont even subscribe to him, he has an attitude in the way he speaks to his subscribers, he has amazing skills but his stuff is overpriced.....
Love the content. Wish you were closer. I could use some scrap 3/4. I'm getting the pwr5 cool too see inside
Mmaaannnn this guy earned a subscriber
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I have a really nice 02 Suburban 1500 LT which I will be putting a car audio system in it shortly. But it’s getting time I need a new main starting battery so what is a good Deep Cell battery for starting the suburban and running all those accessories? I’ve had Optima’s but they just don’t seem to last but maybe 2 years ever since Johnson Controls purchased them I hear they are not using near as pure of lead plates but don’t know if that’s true or not. . I will when I do my audio install add a second battery.😊
Optima quality has dropped significantly, I don’t use it recommended them at all. Even the XS deep cycles have been failing here in NY wheee it gets cold, in about 2 years. Both the XS and the Optima are pricey and not worth the extra cost. As for which deep cycle to use? I couldn’t say because for the past few years I’ve been using lithium banks.
I'm interested to see what's inside the new Titan 8 series
Probably some Chinese LTO cells with a 1000% mark up in price.
The lithium cells they are using in the Titan 8 PWR batterys Are the LTO Toshiba 10ah scib cells and they sell them in a 5s,6s and 7s configuration and yes they are way over priced
@@justforlaughs8988
The Toshibas are the best. Got to get a good group of people together and make a bulk purchase for a pallet of them. Yes XS and Limitless, etc. are way overpriced and making a killing of of us.
Can I mix a XS lithium battery under the hood along with my group 3100 in rear?
No, they rest at different voltages.
The D4S lto 6 is made to pair with AGM. It's only somewhat worth the $400 if you have high output alternator. It'll power a 5000 watt system (only as a secondary!) If you have a 300+ amp alternator. You can make your own cheaper but if you want the comfort and peace of mind of a safe reliable lithium battery it's a good choice. Also the xspower sb500 can pair with AGM and go under the hood.
Everyone needs to do this on failed batteries. I'm always always curious what cells all these battery companies all use. Xs power diy battery boxes are 79 to 99 each. I've made a bunch of 64ah Headway 38120 banks that drop right in an empty 3100 box. I'd rather go with mine than theirs. Ik what's in mine at least.
I made a 32 ah headway bank that outperformed that $2500 battery for a tenth of the cost and it’s still going strong.
@@MasterDJRenn Yup, way way way cheaper!!
@@Basshead40 Not only cheaper but outperforms and outlast.
@@MasterDJRennhey bro i wanna ask can these batteries used in house hold inverter instead of lead acid batteries? I don't know the maths and anything about these batteries but i had a pretty old lead acid battery in my house inverter which was about 8 ah 12v and weighs about 25 to 30 kgs. So i was always wondering lithiums are compact and light so why don't people use these at homes?
The headway cell and really good. It has something like a 15c rating. I myself have a small 32ah bank. You are correct, you can make a diy batter for MUCH cheaper and in many cases, better than some overpriced commercial stuff.
These are great cells, but hard to justify the price they charge!
I have to disagree......Thise battey was powering a relatively small system and the voltage drop like a brick.......Their justification for their ridiculous price is to slap an XS power sticker on it.
@@MasterDJRenn Disagree all you want about the battery itself. Doesn't change the fact that those cells are some of the best LFP cells available, from the company that makes the best LFP cells available.
A third party company OVER RATING IT, and charging an arm and a leg for it, is the issue. XS Power...
@@diylithiumguy That’s my issue all along. Granted the individual cells are good and relatively inexpensive, the justification for selling they battery for over $2500 just isn’t there. One comment on this video asked me is I could build him a battery and offer a warranty for under $2500. Probably implying that why the $2500 price tag. They didn’t honor the warranty on this battery and others that I personally know of ( cells didn’t fail, the BMS did)
Those cells are good for 45c continuous and 75c burst im considering making a bank using those 32113 cells
not at car audio voltages they aren't. Not even close. They dip below 12.0 volts WAY earlier than a 45c continuous load@@onesikm3
So is it better to stick to the DIY Yinglong builds ?
I'm asking because I'm interested in replacing all my AGM batteries.. pls advice im new to lithium & want to understand more..
The 40AH Yinlong Cells are still the Best on the market for Lithium car audio builds.
Cheapest, most reliable above 15v? Yes 100% yinlong all the way.
I was always curious what was inside these. Not sure why it cost so much
Lithium cells are usually expensive, but most batteries made by xs power are more for car audio use ..
@@Mast3rBait3r Lithium cells are pretty cheap. Yeah LTO are the most expensive of the bunch but nowhere near as expensive as they were 5 years ago. Its a little under $1,000 per kwh. XS is taxing people for some fake ass cells
Greed
Things also been discontinued for a few years now.
There’s always a reason why
I have no clue how that battery did not explode
You and me both man. I guess it didnt cause he was cutting at the very edges and not right through the cells.
@@MasterDJRenn ok
Or he completely discharged it???
@@riveralley Nah, the balancer shorted and killed 2 banks but the other 2 were charged.
LTO doesn't explode Edit now I see this isnt' LTO its LFP. A123 cells. Good cells
U extreme guy haha
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I have 4 of them brand new…smh
That’s like almost $10K in batteries.
Those was expensive but were junk
Lasted less than a year before some of the cells failed and took out the balancer. Overpriced junk.
@@MasterDJRenn yea a few buddies actually bought a few and voltage still suck xs power should pay everyone back by ripping them off those lithuim reason why I don’t fuck with their new lithium as well till I see reviews or live results
@@Emperor_1971 A friend had 4, paid close to $10k and voltage still dropped to low 13's and that with a good HO alternator with only a 7.5K amp yet they claim 15,000 watts x 4, should of been able to run a 60,000 watt system. Look like they are made from no name off the shelf Chinese cells, probably cost less tha $100 to make and sells for $2700. I even had for of the D3400 AGM back in the day and they all died in less that 2 years.
@@MasterDJRenn yea I’m at Steve Meade page voicing what me n a few people was disappointed in the xs 36k n he blow up on me like I was talking bout his stuff lol if certain things I buy expensive n work I’ll be quite but if they don’t I ain’t gonna sit n say yeah they badass lol I’m speak out
@@Emperor_1971 Lol, most of his stuff is waaaaay overpriced, i dont even subscribe to him, he has an attitude in the way he speaks to his subscribers, he has amazing skills but his stuff is overpriced.....