Telluride is really marketed as a luxury suv with the emphasis on luxury rather than off roading. Future models may have a special lifted off road trim version similar to the pro4-X trim level on Nissans. In the meantime Telluride does quite well , and usually better than other luxury suvs . Dealers have been getting Audis, Cadillacs, Lincolns, Lexus, and Mercedes as trade ins on new Tellurides. That tells you where the Telluride competition is. As a former Audi quatro owner I prefer Telluride.
Good and fair review, Ryan. The Telluride is impressive in many ways. Ignoring the marketing hype about its suitability for rock climbing, river fording, and such, it's a very strong contender in its class. And it's clear that both KIA and Hyundai needed vehicles to compete in the larger midsize crossover market segment. The Sorento and the Santa Fe, each about 189 inches in length, are in the "tweener" class with vehicles like the Honda Passport among others and where all but the Sorento offer only two row seating. I have to object, however, to your characterization of the third row of Sorento as being "too small for anything other than the tiniest of children." (0:30-0:35). The Sorento's third row is definitely an "occasional use" feature. In our family, it's stowed about 90% of the time. But when we need it, it easily accommodates a couple of teenagers or average size adults on a local trip. In fact, it does a better job of that than several of its larger competitors. Consider the third row headroom and legroom of the Sorento vs several rivals. KIA Sorento: 36.3" HR; 31.7" LR; 189" Length Mazda CX-9: 35.4" HR; 29.7" LR; 199" Length Honda Pilot: 38.9" HR; 31.9" LR; 196.5" Length Toyota Highlander (2020 w/o sunroof): 35.9" HR; 27.7" LR; 192.5" Length Subaru Ascent: 36.3" HR; 31.7" LR; 196.8" Length Ford Explorer (2020): 38.9" HR; 32.2" LR; 199" Length KIA Telluride: 38.1" HR; 31.4" LR; 196.9" Length. As the actual specs indicate, the Sorento offers a surprisingly accommodating third row. More than the CX-9 that's 10" longer, more than the Highlander, and virtually identical to the Subaru Ascent that is nearly 8" greater in overall length. Most surprisingly, it has a tiny bit more legroom in the third row than the Telluride! If the Sorento's third row is suitable only for "the tiniest of children," what does that say about practically every other three row midsize crossover? I wouldn't claim the Sorento is an ideal vehicle for six or more passengers on a trip with luggage/gear. (That's a minivan's mission statement.) Given its smaller size than other "midsize" SUV's, it sacrifices cargo space behind the third row (11 cubic feet) to accommodate third row passengers. And the fact that access to the third row is available only from the passenger side is a weakness justified by KIA as a "safety feature." But for chauffeuring a gaggle of teenagers around town or transportation to an event for 6 or 7 average size teens or adults when a second vehicle would otherwise be required, it's more than adequate.
I agree, when I shopped around 2 years ago, I tried a lot of three row vehicles around the size of the 2017 Sorento ex, it has the roomiest third row in my opinion compared to highlander, CX9, etc.... it was a great vehicle for me but a little smaller coming from a traverse... so a month ago I traded for a Telluride SX... and I’m very satisfied.
I happen to love my 2020 Sorento SX V6 AWD. It's FAR bigger than my 2015 Lincoln MKC was and more capable off road as well. For one guy with a dog who likes to camp it's MORE than enough room. However, i will probably look at a Telluride or Palisade when the time comes.
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My friends call my new Telluride a luxury limo with suv capabilities It has proven itself very capable during a Midwest blizzard but I don’t plan to go off road with it It’s designed more for luxury than off road and the perfect design for me. No wonder Telluride is called the Korean Mercedes!
derek flint the hell’s wrong with you? You have the same comment on every Telluride video. It has luxury touches, but definitely not a luxury vehicle. Stop with the “korean mercedes” BS comment.
Rang Rove is the king of Off-Road, and nobody stay in off-road with Range ROver. And.. range rover is sucks. because le price is expensive but it cause many many small problem...
You can’t fit a off road tire on this car, especially with how big they made the wheel, Kia releasing a off-road vehicle is just a joke, horrible idea they have no idea what they are doing honestly.
I dont know if anyone else addressed this, but I am going too. Y'all are complaining about the tires and how they aren't good for off-road, but in truth all the cars he brings to the trail dont have off-roading tires, just the stock manufacturer tires. This test is meant to see how a car straight off the lot can do in the real world. All cars are on there manufacturer specific tires, which aren't off road ready, so no point complaining.
the leg room between your knees and the chin ? get real man I have seven passanger SAnta fe xl and at 511 and 220 lb I dont even want to go to the 3 row its great for kids, which it was designed for
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I;m 6ft 7in and a single guy with no kids. I wanted Telluride for it's roominess and luxury, but with capabilities in the snow . The seating behind the front are was of little concern for me, but my tall friends seem comfortable, and their less vertically gifted (average) sized guys were comfortable in the third row for short trips. I'd like to see Telluride commercials with NBA players. It has a lot more room and luxury than the Buick that Shaq did a commercial in.
Well, that was 15 minutes of my life I'll never et back, I'm A Telluride LX owner, live in the country and tow my boat or a small enclosed trailer with motorcycles for Long distant engagements.and must say I love my Kia! It's very capable for my needs. lol
Hi Victoria, I would think towing a 3100lb trailer would be no problem at all on asphalt but I would keep in mind that this is an SUV unibody, unlike most trucks with a full-frame.Kia says max towing capacity is 5000lbs 3100lbs would be an easy pull! Best of luck Don
good test, good job! dont listen to all the keyboard "testers". You did the right thing - KIA did all the marketing talk and you tested as is and obviously exposed that BS. one should not upgrade tires, lift a vehicle, remove bumpers and fenders and what not to test if this is a good offroader if KIA claims it is. good job for exposing marketing lies like that
Considering that was wet rock and city tires, and you didn't put it in snow mode, that was pretty impressive. As a buyer, my main concern is reasonable safety in the snow. Maybe driving on some gravel roads less than 0.5% of the time. Maybe having to park on some grass 3-4 times a year. Clearly the marketing department got a little carried away in trying to portray this car as a fully capable Land Rover. But let's face it, most auto makers show unrealistic scenes in commercials. They are selling the dream, not the reality of the day care run and shopping. If you really are going to do endless off-roading you should probably consider something a bit more designed for that purpose. And ask yourself if a three row crossover is even what you need.
No. If the AWD would let one or two wheels spin while other weels do nothing, it's a bad AWD. Land Rovers will not do that. I'm a Kia owner and a fan, but Korean AWDs suck.
Yeah, I think Kia screws up with that commercial. I don't think anyone thinks this is threat to Jeeps and capable of catching air. But when Kia puts out a commercial like that, I can see how some customers may get upset when their Kia doesn't perform up to Kia's commercial. I think this review is very good. Excellent really! I think he was fair and honest throughout. This Kia is not going to survive Baja, and Kia should stop trying to mislead customers. This isn't what this SUV was made for or will be used for. If Kia wants to imply it can take this sort of abuse (commercial) than Kia had better be willing to warranty and damage from such treatment.
Is there a reason why you tried tackling this hill in comfort mode and not try any of the other driving modes during your ascent? It seems that maybe the other modes would have an impact on the traction control allowing for more, or less, wheel slippage. I understand that the lock should provide 50/50 split between front and rear, but with open diffs traction control would play a critical role in providing reaction where available. I always enjoy your videos and appreciate you diving into some of the more technical aspects in your reviews.
@@dko8546 This does not have an active suspension so I don't think that's the case. From everything that I've read, the only thing it changes is the steering weight, shifting, and AWD characteristics.
This is a great AWD system, one of the best in the industry at the moment. You can't expect this thing to perform well off-road wearing those street tires. It's like trying to walk up a really steep hill wearing flip flops. Not going to happen.
Excellent video clearly showing and explaining once again that the majority of the so-called AWD Systems being sold are mostly marketing hype, not reality, nothing like real AWD in the real world.
I know it’s limitations to what the manufacturer will allow you to do to the vehicle. But you guys should do a revisit of each car with all terrains and/or a lift kit. Would allow future buyers who want to do something like to know before buying! Love the videos!
Excellent review. 👏🏻 This is a far more in-depth look at the real capabilities of the Kia Telluride than the mostly superficial reviews that the slick used car salespeople types provide.
Test drive it yesterday it’s awesome very solid driving felt great. Comfy great 👍 loved it. Just hard to get u need to order it. Only negative I felt was the grill. Going to be a killer to clean bugs. Other than that beautiful room. So quiet drive ever. Loved it. Tried it and the Santa Fe. Loved it to but about 10k difference so hard to decide. Don’t drive the loaded one first. It was super hard so I told my salesman I have to sleep on it. Both was awesome.
your tires are not adequate for wet rock and climbing, i have a Telluride myself, and in Canada they are equip with Michelin all weather tires, and trust me i went off-roading in places that are very similar with the TV Add, and great video by the way !!!
R Kuklinsky true, but at the same time, the recently reviewed Honda Passports tires are also NOT adequate. It has all season tires with 20 inch wheels. The system was so capable that Ryan took it to mountain section that he has not taken another vehicle to. Sorry, I hope I’m not coming off overly critical. I believe the Telluride is the perfect vehicle for the “masses”. Most people don’t need all this off-road capability, but people “WANT” the nice interior, all the technology and luxury. Congratulations on your ride.
@@samuelwestknee7134the lexus sedan actually has a more capable center diff ironically. With a lifted suspension it would be more capable offroad than this kia.
John Chen How many commercials have you seen of the ls500 being taken off road. The telluride is advertised as an off road car. That it’s just as good as other awd competitors. I think the Kia is the best luxury suv for its price but Kia definitely tries to pretend that it’s off road capable
Listening to this individual clearly gives me the impression that he does not like the Kia brand. At the end of this video, he recommends some alternative Toyota products that, of course will be two to three times more pricey than this brand, and without many of the features that Kia offers in this particular vehicle. But you have to admitted, Kia is certainly coming out with a line up of vehicles that is surprising many of us, in quality and features. Kia is boldly taking over.
If you price out a Kia with equal features to other cars in the class it’s not a lot cheaper - sometimes its even more expensive. Kia makes great cars, but they no longer are a budget brand.
thank you for the details regarding AWD system. Wish other reviewers would point things like this out when they do reviews...but I guess that's why I subscribe to your channel and like you videos.
They need a sport version with exterior styling with more power and a true torque vectoring AWD then I'd be interested. Interior and overall build quality looks great.
I love your style of car review. You explained the 'AWD' in plain and easy to understand language including the illustration in video clip as to what you are talking about. Nice!
Your videos are fantastic. This type of review shows me how the AWD system will work in crappy snowy conditions so it's quite useful. Ignore the Dunning-Kruger effected commentors. This AWD system is crap IMO and wont help much in getting through tough snowy conditions. What good is AWD if when one wheel spins the whole vehicle comes to a stop?
To all the haters he tested it how you would buy it hopefully Kia improves the AWD system or simply let magna take care of this task. Great review man well done : )
Great Video @driving sports TV! I think the Kia Telluride is perfect for most families! They appeal to the masses. Thanks for confirming what I thought I knew about the Kia Telluride. It has a brake based AWD system, much like the current Subaru's and it's center diff lock would only be equivalent to Subaru's xmode (which tries to lock torque front to back 50/50, but will unlock under stress). It's like Xmode without the hill descent control and advanced individual wheel braking. I think Subaru's AWD system is a bit better, but the Telluride has a superior drivetrain. I understand why you didn't take the Kia on the same course as the Honda Passport. Even if approach and departure angles weren't an issue, I don't think the Tellurides open front and rear differentials would be able to handle the same obstacles. Dual clutch rear differentials seems to be the cats meow right now. It seems to the new standard in AWD systems. I actually bought my Honda Passport because of your video's. I love this thing!
As an owner of an STi, it's very disappointing that Subaru puts their most capable off-road systems in the car built most for the track. (we aren't buying Vermont Motor Sports versions of the rally car) How incredible would the Crosstrek/Forester be with the same drivetrain/powerplant as the WRX STi?
The guy is testing the awd system. How is he suppose to drive?? It’s not mud where you have to power through. He’s driving on rock, which you usually crawl up ( rock crawling). And I’m pretty sure a stock Subaru Forester and possibly an outback on street tires would make it. There are many different awd variations. I think he’s just letting you guys know this one isn’t that great off road.
All the vehicles you mention at the end are either less reliable or more dangerous in IIHS and NHSTA tests or both. That's the problem. It's been almost a year since you made this video. It would be nice if we had a bit more information about the Telluride's off-road capabilities. No cross-cut test, and you didn't even use smart or snow mode, as far as we could see. You're the among the best sources for this kind of information on UA-cam. Please don't let us down.
This is why I think the Subaru Ascent is a better vehicle. Best AWD, perfect IIHS/NHSTA scores, and just as powerful. AWD standard, towing is same amount, and space is nearly identical, and better safety features. And you can buy it for thousands less than the Telluride. We are cross shopping both, I've test driven the Ascent, but not the Telluride yet. But the Ascent's interior space, especially behind the third row is way more than what reviewers show. The local kia dealership sells the Telluride for about $9k over MSRP though. Local Subaru dealership sells the Ascent at or slightly below MSRP. The savings alone is worth looking at other vehicles compared to the Telluride. Or if you compare the real OTD pricing on the Telluride you are competing with much better vehicles in that price range ($60k vehicles) which offer much more than the Telluride does for the price.
Everyone saying that this is an irrelevant test is wrong. Kia advertises this as rugged and off-road ready vehicle and he's testing the stock version of the car to see if it performs as advertised. Other SUV's can complete this trail on street tires too. Those saying he can't drive off-road are also wrong because he's purposefully stressing the system.
12:36 I can drive my alto 800 with full comfortable and this dude still messed up with 291hp car (ps my alto have 60hp btw) gosh you guys desperately showing negativity of the vehicle.
I've been looking and driving both the Telluride and the new Honda Passport. I do love the interior of the Telluride better, especially with the larger LCD screen, but as you said, the Honda has a much better AWD system.
Subaru, Jeep, and Toyota dominate the real OFF ROAD environment. I love my SX FWD; better gas mileage, enough power to pass, and less likely to have any issues within the powertrain system versus AWD, although KIA is very reliable. AWD is a $2k option and 1 MPG less than FWD. if I really want to go off roading, I will just tow my ATV that I don’t have with my SX FWD....
Great honest review.. I do feel the street tires & the wet slippery rocks played a big part in his off road capabilities. Noticed you did not use the Snow Mode…. would have thought it would provide the most capability for traction. Appreciate if anyone can chime in on the Snow mode. Thanks
I like the format of your reviews. Thanks for covering third row space consistently and awd systems. Can you comment as to what had more 3rd row room; this or the new Sequoia?
(We are outgrowing the third row in our Highlander... after having six Toyota’s with over 1,000,000 combined problem free km, it’s hard for us to consider Kia but the Telluride is compelling for our large family that tows 4500 lbs regularly)
The third-row legroom in the new 2023 Sequoia is excellent. However, there's a compromise in cargo capacity and the floor appears to be very high. We'll have more details in June, but we do find the Sequoia compelling. The biggest advantage with Sequoia will be the towing capacity.
Awesome! Thanks for the quick response. Will look fwd to your comments on third row space for adults in the Sequoia. Also, whether there are latch anchors in the third row as well. We are disappointed it’s hybrid only. Sort of forces you to get rid of it at the 8-10 yeR mark, or buy new batteries, or trade for a big loss, or sell for a reasonable asking price minus the cost of new batteries. Wish it came with a base option with the non hybrid Tundra engine. Can’t pleAse everyone, but we saw it as a ten-fifteen year option for our family. Now, we will have to factor in a battery replacement in the already high cost of ownership.
@@ExpeditionaryRanger After 10 years, batteries will have a decreased capacity, but even if they're only 50% (unlikely to go that low) the hybrid powertrain still functions just fine.
A bit bias and lacking there of. All depends on your needs in use of the vehicle. Math(sales) doesn’t lie and Telluride is a good suv. Can’t beat the 100,000 warranty and what the vehicles has to offer now and in the future. Good all around suv. Decent/good on mpg, great or not outdated safety features and getting the best bang for your buck. Respectively, Toyota’s /Honda are great vehicle but they also have there limits and hype. Obviously, if you solely or mostly buy a car for off road capabilities than that’s a different story as well. Great review on limits of the Telluride. It looks like you don’t like Kia😆.
Are y'all going to do an explainer of Kia/Hyundai AWD system? Is Hyundai's HTRAC the same system that KIA gets? Been looking at the 2020 Sportage SX Turbo and was curious how it performs.
The Telluride uses the same Magna-engineered AWD system Hyundai brands as HTRAC on the Palisade and new Sante Fe. However, the Sportage uses Kia's prior system made by Dynamax. It's a well regarded system, but not as dynamic as the Magna one
The big mistake and disappointing about this large SUV, it's an FWD platform. Ford did the right decision by making the new Explorer an RWD SUV. Thanks.
The Sorento 3rd row is actually fine for adults. They cheat trunk space to give a usable 3rd row in a relatively small 3-row suv. That's why the Sorento will stay. It isn't replaced by this car.
Thanks - can you re-visit the new Toyota Highlander Hybrid. I don't expect it to go off-road but would like to see if they improved on the AWD-e system you previously tested in the RAV4.
seems like the AWD system in the Subaru Ascent has better performance than the AWD system in the Telluride - is that your impression as well? A comparison video would be great.
I forgot to mention that if the trailer you are towing has electric brakes the Telluride comes with a four-prong plugin for your lights but you will need a seven-pin type plug for your brake controler
A 4Runner would have made it easily. That's why I passed on the Telluride and bought the 2019 Toyota 4Runner TRD Pro. Well that and its bulletproof Japanese construction that has all the kinks worked out for a long time now. When I read of the issues the Telluride has I'm glad I made this choice.
We just bought an SX (also Gravity Gray) last month and I agree that the marketing was perhaps a wee aggressive. I think that the AWD is very well suited for wet or icy pavement and some gravel roads which is the very most ours will ever see. I suspect that's probably a situation the vast majority of Telluride buyers find themselves. Once you get into more challenging terrain like the hill climb in this video I suspect you fall into a different class of vehicle and a buyer that is not looking for a quiet, comfortable, cabin-focused experience offered in the Telluride (as well as comparable vehicles in its class). Those vehicles come equipped with proper off-road tires, transmission and suspension set-ups designed for off road use, clearance capabilities not see by the Telluride. Of course, the sacrifice is when using those vehicles as a daily commuter they are generally loud cabins, stiffer rides that transfer every road bump to your steering wheel and your backside. I'm not sure I got a lot from this review except affirmation that I bought exactly the right type of vehicle for my use. It was cool to see the vehicle make the hill climb as, frankly, I suspected it might fail. If Kia looks to make a more capable off-road vehicle I hope they design a different model and continue to support the Telluride in its current form.
great review I knew those commercials were over the top this thing is a knock off of the 2011-2019 explorer and no hill descent it's less than the 2011-2019 explorer. Can't you tell I'm a Ford guy🤣
For dryer So Cal weather (and a 4x4 Expedition for off-road), would you opt for FWD instead of AWD to gain a couple MPG? Or are there other advantages to AWD for dry street driving, other than better rain and mild off-road performance?
Let’s go off road with some 21” low profile tires, lol.
and let's do it in comfort mode!
The tire tread & torque are what matters
Well, 20" actually, but yeah.
@@rbwood1978ify actually, the mode you choose affects the torque mapping
@@rbwood1978ify not on rocks. Low profiles get murdered on anything sharp.
@17:02 He set driving mode at "COMFORT" and lock "AWD". It might be better to use "SMART" to change the torque distribution on slippery rocks.
Travis Lee Exactly. Remember slippery rocks.
Telluride is really marketed as a luxury suv with the emphasis on luxury rather than off roading. Future models may have a special lifted off road trim version similar to the pro4-X trim level on Nissans. In the meantime Telluride does quite well , and usually better than other luxury suvs . Dealers have been getting Audis, Cadillacs, Lincolns, Lexus, and Mercedes as trade ins on new Tellurides. That tells you where the Telluride competition is. As a former Audi quatro owner I prefer Telluride.
Good and fair review, Ryan. The Telluride is impressive in many ways. Ignoring the marketing hype about its suitability for rock climbing, river fording, and such, it's a very strong contender in its class. And it's clear that both KIA and Hyundai needed vehicles to compete in the larger midsize crossover market segment. The Sorento and the Santa Fe, each about 189 inches in length, are in the "tweener" class with vehicles like the Honda Passport among others and where all but the Sorento offer only two row seating.
I have to object, however, to your characterization of the third row of Sorento as being "too small for anything other than the tiniest of children." (0:30-0:35). The Sorento's third row is definitely an "occasional use" feature. In our family, it's stowed about 90% of the time. But when we need it, it easily accommodates a couple of teenagers or average size adults on a local trip. In fact, it does a better job of that than several of its larger competitors. Consider the third row headroom and legroom of the Sorento vs several rivals.
KIA Sorento: 36.3" HR; 31.7" LR; 189" Length
Mazda CX-9: 35.4" HR; 29.7" LR; 199" Length
Honda Pilot: 38.9" HR; 31.9" LR; 196.5" Length
Toyota Highlander (2020 w/o sunroof): 35.9" HR; 27.7" LR; 192.5" Length
Subaru Ascent: 36.3" HR; 31.7" LR; 196.8" Length
Ford Explorer (2020): 38.9" HR; 32.2" LR; 199" Length
KIA Telluride: 38.1" HR; 31.4" LR; 196.9" Length.
As the actual specs indicate, the Sorento offers a surprisingly accommodating third row. More than the CX-9 that's 10" longer, more than the Highlander, and virtually identical to the Subaru Ascent that is nearly 8" greater in overall length. Most surprisingly, it has a tiny bit more legroom in the third row than the Telluride! If the Sorento's third row is suitable only for "the tiniest of children," what does that say about practically every other three row midsize crossover?
I wouldn't claim the Sorento is an ideal vehicle for six or more passengers on a trip with luggage/gear. (That's a minivan's mission statement.) Given its smaller size than other "midsize" SUV's, it sacrifices cargo space behind the third row (11 cubic feet) to accommodate third row passengers. And the fact that access to the third row is available only from the passenger side is a weakness justified by KIA as a "safety feature." But for chauffeuring a gaggle of teenagers around town or transportation to an event for 6 or 7 average size teens or adults when a second vehicle would otherwise be required, it's more than adequate.
I agree, when I shopped around 2 years ago, I tried a lot of three row vehicles around the size of the 2017 Sorento ex, it has the roomiest third row in my opinion compared to highlander, CX9, etc.... it was a great vehicle for me but a little smaller coming from a traverse... so a month ago I traded for a Telluride SX... and I’m very satisfied.
I happen to love my 2020 Sorento SX V6 AWD. It's FAR bigger than my 2015 Lincoln MKC was and more capable off road as well. For one guy with a dog who likes to camp it's MORE than enough room. However, i will probably look at a Telluride or Palisade when the time comes.
My friends call my new Telluride a luxury limo with suv capabilities It has proven itself very capable during a Midwest blizzard but I don’t plan to go off road with it It’s designed more for luxury than off road and the perfect design for me. No wonder Telluride is called the Korean Mercedes!
derek flint the hell’s wrong with you? You have the same comment on every Telluride video. It has luxury touches, but definitely not a luxury vehicle. Stop with the “korean mercedes” BS comment.
99.999% of people won’t take this car off-road.
Same as any newer land rover
Rang Rove is the king of Off-Road, and nobody stay in off-road with Range ROver. And.. range rover is sucks. because le price is expensive but it cause many many small problem...
I would add one or a few more 9s at the end.
Then why get it over other competitors
The King of all - Hopefully this will have better dependability that a Land Rover.
Sounds like his trying to hate the car. Tires are importen, offroading with city tires is not a way to go...
Headlights suck on EX, LX and S models. They are yellow Halogen bulbs
Klaus Heilmann Korean manufacturers put shitty tires on their vehicles period. They cheap out on a lot of things sorry if the fandom blinds you
but you just cant change tires every time you take out your suv
@@user-xu2xx6pc3o why not? thats not a crime lol.
You can’t fit a off road tire on this car, especially with how big they made the wheel, Kia releasing a off-road vehicle is just a joke, horrible idea they have no idea what they are doing honestly.
I dont know if anyone else addressed this, but I am going too. Y'all are complaining about the tires and how they aren't good for off-road, but in truth all the cars he brings to the trail dont have off-roading tires, just the stock manufacturer tires. This test is meant to see how a car straight off the lot can do in the real world. All cars are on there manufacturer specific tires, which aren't off road ready, so no point complaining.
The Sorento's 3rd row is actually quite spacious! I'm 5 foot 11 and 200lbs and still have several inches of legroom!
the leg room between your knees and the chin ? get real man I have seven passanger SAnta fe xl and at 511 and 220 lb I dont even want to go to the 3 row its great for kids, which it was designed for
I;m 6ft 7in and a single guy with no kids. I wanted Telluride for it's roominess and luxury, but with capabilities in the snow . The seating behind the front are was of little concern for me, but my tall friends seem comfortable, and their less vertically gifted (average) sized guys were comfortable in the third row for short trips. I'd like to see Telluride commercials with NBA players. It has a lot more room and luxury than the Buick that Shaq did a commercial in.
So you're fat?
Well, that was 15 minutes of my life I'll never et back, I'm A Telluride LX owner, live in the country and tow my boat or a small enclosed trailer with motorcycles for Long distant engagements.and must say I love my Kia! It's very capable for my needs. lol
How heavy is your boat? I'm considering switching do a Telluride but a little uncertain it can do the job with my boat
i'm considering the telluride and want to tow a 3100 lb dry weight camper. as you have towed with it, what is your opinion and advice? thank you.
Hi Victoria, I would think towing a 3100lb trailer would be no problem at all on asphalt but I would keep in mind that this is an SUV unibody, unlike most trucks with a full-frame.Kia says max towing capacity is 5000lbs 3100lbs would be an easy pull! Best of luck Don
Needs a 1” lift, 17” rims and good AT tires! I think this test will be easy for it.
good test, good job! dont listen to all the keyboard "testers". You did the right thing - KIA did all the marketing talk and you tested as is and obviously exposed that BS. one should not upgrade tires, lift a vehicle, remove bumpers and fenders and what not to test if this is a good offroader if KIA claims it is. good job for exposing marketing lies like that
Considering that was wet rock and city tires, and you didn't put it in snow mode, that was pretty impressive.
As a buyer, my main concern is reasonable safety in the snow. Maybe driving on some gravel roads less than 0.5% of the time. Maybe having to park on some grass 3-4 times a year.
Clearly the marketing department got a little carried away in trying to portray this car as a fully capable Land Rover. But let's face it, most auto makers show unrealistic scenes in commercials. They are selling the dream, not the reality of the day care run and shopping.
If you really are going to do endless off-roading you should probably consider something a bit more designed for that purpose. And ask yourself if a three row crossover is even what you need.
put on quality winter tires and you dont need awd 99.999% of the time, save on gas and maintenance, dont forget to use common sense. Cheerss.
ZCT808 Capable as a Landrover? Landrover is nothing more than mall crawler.
My 2020 4runner will do that and more😘
How do I get a job replying to vids on Utube while working for KIA?
Dude it’s the tires. You get the right tires on a fiesta and it’ll do that trail.
watch his other video and then talk shit. A Subaru can do this in all seasons.
Why aren't all four wheels spinning then?
No. If the AWD would let one or two wheels spin while other weels do nothing, it's a bad AWD. Land Rovers will not do that.
I'm a Kia owner and a fan, but Korean AWDs suck.
Off-road tires and a better drive more would have helped here.
Wasn’t the driving mode set to comfort? When he pushed the diff lock button, the driving mode was set to comfort mode.
Ya, it was. I think he's trying to make the Telluride look not capable offroad.
Yeah I seen that too!!
Honest question, what should have it been set at? Snow? Just bought one, coming from multiple Subarus where it was always just there.
Yeah, I think Kia screws up with that commercial. I don't think anyone thinks this is threat to Jeeps and capable of catching air. But when Kia puts out a commercial like that, I can see how some customers may get upset when their Kia doesn't perform up to Kia's commercial. I think this review is very good. Excellent really! I think he was fair and honest throughout. This Kia is not going to survive Baja, and Kia should stop trying to mislead customers. This isn't what this SUV was made for or will be used for. If Kia wants to imply it can take this sort of abuse (commercial) than Kia had better be willing to warranty and damage from such treatment.
Is there a reason why you tried tackling this hill in comfort mode and not try any of the other driving modes during your ascent? It seems that maybe the other modes would have an impact on the traction control allowing for more, or less, wheel slippage. I understand that the lock should provide 50/50 split between front and rear, but with open diffs traction control would play a critical role in providing reaction where available.
I always enjoy your videos and appreciate you diving into some of the more technical aspects in your reviews.
diode_ee yes thank you
True
Comfort mode softens the suspension and theoretically provides more articulation, which is good for off-roading.
@@dko8546 This does not have an active suspension so I don't think that's the case. From everything that I've read, the only thing it changes is the steering weight, shifting, and AWD characteristics.
@@dko8546 No. The suspension is not adjustable on this car.
Simply best looking new SUV on the market. Bravo Kia.
This is a great AWD system, one of the best in the industry at the moment. You can't expect this thing to perform well off-road wearing those street tires. It's like trying to walk up a really steep hill wearing flip flops. Not going to happen.
I’d like to see that video on a dry day even with the same tires.
Next up: driving a gladiator up Moab with drag racing slicks
I love kia teluride ♥
Telluride
I hate teluride . Im korean .
Excellent video clearly showing and explaining once again that the majority of the so-called AWD Systems being sold are mostly marketing hype, not reality, nothing like real AWD in the real world.
I know it’s limitations to what the manufacturer will allow you to do to the vehicle. But you guys should do a revisit of each car with all terrains and/or a lift kit. Would allow future buyers who want to do something like to know before buying! Love the videos!
Excellent review. 👏🏻 This is a far more in-depth look at the real capabilities of the Kia Telluride than the mostly superficial reviews that the slick used car salespeople types provide.
Test drive it yesterday it’s awesome very solid driving felt great. Comfy great 👍 loved it. Just hard to get u need to order it. Only negative I felt was the grill. Going to be a killer to clean bugs. Other than that beautiful room. So quiet drive ever. Loved it. Tried it and the Santa Fe. Loved it to but about 10k difference so hard to decide. Don’t drive the loaded one first. It was super hard so I told my salesman I have to sleep on it. Both was awesome.
your tires are not adequate for wet rock and climbing, i have a Telluride myself, and in Canada they are equip with Michelin all weather tires, and trust me i went off-roading in places that are very similar with the TV Add, and great video by the way !!!
R Kuklinsky true, but at the same time, the recently reviewed Honda Passports tires are also NOT adequate. It has all season tires with 20 inch wheels. The system was so capable that Ryan took it to mountain section that he has not taken another vehicle to.
Sorry, I hope I’m not coming off overly critical. I believe the Telluride is the perfect vehicle for the “masses”. Most people don’t need all this off-road capability, but people “WANT” the nice interior, all the technology and luxury. Congratulations on your ride.
do Kia offer offroad tire with this? if no - then their marketing claims should test as is
@@samuelwestknee7134 go check Primal Outdoors - Camping and Photography
I have the sx and love it. The only thing I don’t like is the uvo.
Are you taking the Lexus LS500 off-roading too?
Lol
if Lexus would release marketing claims for offroad - then yes - I hope someone would test and humiliate like this
@@samuelwestknee7134the lexus sedan actually has a more capable center diff ironically. With a lifted suspension it would be more capable offroad than this kia.
John Chen How many commercials have you seen of the ls500 being taken off road. The telluride is advertised as an off road car. That it’s just as good as other awd competitors. I think the Kia is the best luxury suv for its price but Kia definitely tries to pretend that it’s off road capable
Listening to this individual clearly gives me the impression that he does not like the Kia brand. At the end of this video, he recommends some alternative Toyota products that, of course will be two to three times more pricey than this brand, and without many of the features that Kia offers in this particular vehicle. But you have to admitted, Kia is certainly coming out with a line up of vehicles that is surprising many of us, in quality and features. Kia is boldly taking over.
If you price out a Kia with equal features to other cars in the class it’s not a lot cheaper - sometimes its even more expensive. Kia makes great cars, but they no longer are a budget brand.
When you're late picking the kids up from soccer practice and you need to take a shortcut.
Love to see what it does with 6” of snow
lawrence fitzgerald That would be the test most people would like to see.
thank you for the details regarding AWD system. Wish other reviewers would point things like this out when they do reviews...but I guess that's why I subscribe to your channel and like you videos.
They need a sport version with exterior styling with more power and a true torque vectoring AWD then I'd be interested. Interior and overall build quality looks great.
BBB T in my eye that’s called a Stinger GT.
😥 get durango RT
Strangely, I think I'll go with the Telluride. Thanks for the review.
I love your style of car review. You explained the 'AWD' in plain and easy to understand language including the illustration in video clip as to what you are talking about. Nice!
For offroad fun this SUV need a different set of winter/off-road tires with 18 rims simple...
Your videos are fantastic. This type of review shows me how the AWD system will work in crappy snowy conditions so it's quite useful. Ignore the Dunning-Kruger effected commentors. This AWD system is crap IMO and wont help much in getting through tough snowy conditions. What good is AWD if when one wheel spins the whole vehicle comes to a stop?
100% agreed
To all the haters he tested it how you would buy it hopefully Kia improves the AWD system or simply let magna take care of this task. Great review man well done : )
Great Video @driving sports TV! I think the Kia Telluride is perfect for most families! They appeal to the masses. Thanks for confirming what I thought I knew about the Kia Telluride. It has a brake based AWD system, much like the current Subaru's and it's center diff lock would only be equivalent to Subaru's xmode (which tries to lock torque front to back 50/50, but will unlock under stress). It's like Xmode without the hill descent control and advanced individual wheel braking. I think Subaru's AWD system is a bit better, but the Telluride has a superior drivetrain.
I understand why you didn't take the Kia on the same course as the Honda Passport. Even if approach and departure angles weren't an issue, I don't think the Tellurides open front and rear differentials would be able to handle the same obstacles. Dual clutch rear differentials seems to be the cats meow right now. It seems to the new standard in AWD systems. I actually bought my Honda Passport because of your video's. I love this thing!
VTECBABEEEE ARRRRR!
As an owner of an STi, it's very disappointing that Subaru puts their most capable off-road systems in the car built most for the track. (we aren't buying Vermont Motor Sports versions of the rally car) How incredible would the Crosstrek/Forester be with the same drivetrain/powerplant as the WRX STi?
Fact:
"He doesn't know how to drive in OFF ROAD situation"
Have a great day to y'all
The guy is testing the awd system. How is he suppose to drive?? It’s not mud where you have to power through. He’s driving on rock, which you usually crawl up ( rock crawling). And I’m pretty sure a stock Subaru Forester and possibly an outback on street tires would make it. There are many different awd variations. I think he’s just letting you guys know this one isn’t that great off road.
All the vehicles you mention at the end are either less reliable or more dangerous in IIHS and NHSTA tests or both. That's the problem.
It's been almost a year since you made this video. It would be nice if we had a bit more information about the Telluride's off-road capabilities. No cross-cut test, and you didn't even use smart or snow mode, as far as we could see.
You're the among the best sources for this kind of information on UA-cam. Please don't let us down.
This is why I think the Subaru Ascent is a better vehicle. Best AWD, perfect IIHS/NHSTA scores, and just as powerful. AWD standard, towing is same amount, and space is nearly identical, and better safety features. And you can buy it for thousands less than the Telluride.
We are cross shopping both, I've test driven the Ascent, but not the Telluride yet. But the Ascent's interior space, especially behind the third row is way more than what reviewers show. The local kia dealership sells the Telluride for about $9k over MSRP though. Local Subaru dealership sells the Ascent at or slightly below MSRP. The savings alone is worth looking at other vehicles compared to the Telluride. Or if you compare the real OTD pricing on the Telluride you are competing with much better vehicles in that price range ($60k vehicles) which offer much more than the Telluride does for the price.
Hey as long as you never really want to go take a trip into the mountains or parks or have friends who have cabins you'll be good to go.
at less put it on snow mode which is the best mode you will get for semi off roading with the 4wd lock
Everyone saying that this is an irrelevant test is wrong. Kia advertises this as rugged and off-road ready vehicle and he's testing the stock version of the car to see if it performs as advertised. Other SUV's can complete this trail on street tires too. Those saying he can't drive off-road are also wrong because he's purposefully stressing the system.
How does match up to the 2020 Mazada CX-9? Will you do a review of the CX-9?
12:36 I can drive my alto 800 with full comfortable and this dude still messed up with 291hp car (ps my alto have 60hp btw) gosh you guys desperately showing negativity of the vehicle.
The weight of the car matters buddy. I own a n alto too, because its so lite it just moves without hesitation.
Nice background music everything's on point about this channel 🙂
to be hornest with you, for an onroad family SUV, the Telluride's rock climbing ability is actually top in its class......
Hahahah
Best looking SUV on sale today.
I've been looking and driving both the Telluride and the new Honda Passport. I do love the interior of the Telluride better, especially with the larger LCD screen, but as you said, the Honda has a much better AWD system.
It sure does Rick Funk! Driving sports TV put iVTM4 on the map! and they are one of the reasons I bought mine!
Agreed (MDX roots in terms of AWD system) - but the Pilot looks too much like a mini van.
@@edb.8388 because it is a minivan. Every vehicle in this class is a minivan
Tony Chau LOL
@@edb.8388 Not Pilot. Passport.
I can do that by my 2004 chevy aveo... show us a real off-road like the commercial
What do you think of jeep active drive I system which is used in the jeep cherokee?
I enjoy the videos where you test the awd on same road. I’d love to see you do the Jeep Grand Cherokee with Quadra Trac 2 system.
Seems a lot less capable off road than any Subaru with full time AWD and X-mode. How did it compare (off-road) to your long-term OUTBACK ONYX XT?
Subaru, Jeep, and Toyota dominate the real OFF ROAD environment.
I love my SX FWD; better gas mileage, enough power to pass, and less likely to have any issues within the powertrain system versus AWD, although KIA is very reliable.
AWD is a $2k option and 1 MPG less than FWD. if I really want to go off roading, I will just tow my ATV that I don’t have with my SX FWD....
This is now my new dream truck!
I'm a Telluride owner. With offroad 20". Trust when 8 tell u this guy is full of it in this review
Feel free to drop some knowledge as an owner.
Crickets
Great honest review.. I do feel the street tires & the wet slippery rocks played a big part in his off road capabilities. Noticed you did not use the Snow Mode…. would have thought it would provide the most capability for traction.
Appreciate if anyone can chime in on the Snow mode.
Thanks
At the end, you mention 4Runner and and Honda Passport for two row, how come Jeep Grand Cherokee was not mentioned?
Privacy screen? I thought that was sun blocking screen?
Despite the criticism this is actually a good practical review.
Good feedback on the lane follow and 4x4 capabilities. No BS, and it was very entertaining seeing you cross the rocks.
I like the format of your reviews. Thanks for covering third row space consistently and awd systems. Can you comment as to what had more 3rd row room; this or the new Sequoia?
(We are outgrowing the third row in our Highlander... after having six Toyota’s with over 1,000,000 combined problem free km, it’s hard for us to consider Kia but the Telluride is compelling for our large family that tows 4500 lbs regularly)
The third-row legroom in the new 2023 Sequoia is excellent. However, there's a compromise in cargo capacity and the floor appears to be very high. We'll have more details in June, but we do find the Sequoia compelling. The biggest advantage with Sequoia will be the towing capacity.
Awesome! Thanks for the quick response. Will look fwd to your comments on third row space for adults in the Sequoia. Also, whether there are latch anchors in the third row as well. We are disappointed it’s hybrid only. Sort of forces you to get rid of it at the 8-10 yeR mark, or buy new batteries, or trade for a big loss, or sell for a reasonable asking price minus the cost of new batteries. Wish it came with a base option with the non hybrid Tundra engine. Can’t pleAse everyone, but we saw it as a ten-fifteen year option for our family. Now, we will have to factor in a battery replacement in the already high cost of ownership.
@@ExpeditionaryRanger After 10 years, batteries will have a decreased capacity, but even if they're only 50% (unlikely to go that low) the hybrid powertrain still functions just fine.
@@ExpeditionaryRanger I'd be more concerned about the turbos after 10 years.
A bit bias and lacking there of. All depends on your needs in use of the vehicle. Math(sales) doesn’t lie and Telluride is a good suv. Can’t beat the 100,000 warranty and what the vehicles has to offer now and in the future. Good all around suv. Decent/good on mpg, great or not outdated safety features and getting the best bang for your buck.
Respectively, Toyota’s /Honda are great vehicle but they also have there limits and hype. Obviously, if you solely or mostly buy a car for off road capabilities than that’s a different story as well. Great review on limits of the Telluride. It looks like you don’t like Kia😆.
Are y'all going to do an explainer of Kia/Hyundai AWD system? Is Hyundai's HTRAC the same system that KIA gets?
Been looking at the 2020 Sportage SX Turbo and was curious how it performs.
Hyundai and KIA employ the same AWD system.
The Telluride uses the same Magna-engineered AWD system Hyundai brands as HTRAC on the Palisade and new Sante Fe. However, the Sportage uses Kia's prior system made by Dynamax. It's a well regarded system, but not as dynamic as the Magna one
Headlights are 😎
The big mistake and disappointing about this large SUV, it's an FWD platform.
Ford did the right decision by making the new Explorer an RWD SUV.
Thanks.
Dumb question but why is rear wheel drive good for off-road?
Looks rad! Really can't decide between this or a Subaru Forester Touring or Ascent Touring
Very thorough review
The Sorento 3rd row is actually fine for adults. They cheat trunk space to give a usable 3rd row in a relatively small 3-row suv. That's why the Sorento will stay. It isn't replaced by this car.
Thanks - can you re-visit the new Toyota Highlander Hybrid. I don't expect it to go off-road but would like to see if they improved on the AWD-e system you previously tested in the RAV4.
The new Highlander Hybrid is our show for next week.
reading the comments this dude didn't do the job properly, pips just love this Kia.
Will it be available in India.?
Best telluride review to date!!!!!!
You might see it as normal because you are used to it, but it is very beautiful nature, I enjoyed watching it.
seems like the AWD system in the Subaru Ascent has better performance than the AWD system in the Telluride - is that your impression as well? A comparison video would be great.
Yup. The Telluride is good for most buyers, but IMHO the Ascent is better.
Excellent SUV, poor tires for OFF ROAD and most ppl complaining about the SUV Off Road capabilities using plain tires, well... lol
That's funny. I traded my Pilot in for the Telluride. Love it.
Good presentation. Good to test the limits of the vehicle, especially as manufacturers tout it as something else.
how does this compare to the Subaru all wheel drive system?
Hey im korean but i think subarus all wheel drive system is better
I'm looking to get the 2022 carnival.. Could you help with a review?
.. and the 21/22 telluride
I forgot to mention that if the trailer you are towing has electric brakes the Telluride comes with a four-prong plugin for your lights but you will need a seven-pin type plug for your brake controler
Hello what do u think about lincoin aviator tell me about something difference with telluride kia thanks paris mazhar
Very well made video. Like the production quality, the audio is crisp, very nice angles. And exactly what we're looking to learn about
Factory tire junk , battery, air filter, ,cabin air , spark plug , struts wheel hub bearing . All brand not just kia
I don't know how these SUVs with 20 inch tires can make it off road!
Suv this days aint anymore for off roading so no1 will put a suv 45k in 🗻
Agree.
Normally you would air down the tires and disconnect your swaybars when offroad so the car doesn't lift the wheels off the ground when articulating.
What’s your top three row suv off road so far? (In the non high end market, so Telluride, Pilot, Palisade, Atlas, Highlander, Ascent etc)
Thanks! :)
Nice review. Good balance of technical details, practical information, and opinion, all delivered with some personality.
Once the Telluride is proven to be as reliable as the Highlander, the Highlander will be doomed at this current pace.
Also the Telluride is much better than highlander
A 4Runner would have made it easily. That's why I passed on the Telluride and bought the 2019 Toyota 4Runner TRD Pro. Well that and its bulletproof Japanese construction that has all the kinks worked out for a long time now. When I read of the issues the Telluride has I'm glad I made this choice.
Then came along a real driver and took the vehicle out of comfort mode😎
It's more a class Urban SUV 🖤🔥💫
Where are these trails you test on? It’s beautiful scenery there.
Forest road around Snoqualmie pass in Washington State.
I'll go do this road with my own and probably not be as cautious with my lx model. With 18s that I can lower the pressure on
We just bought an SX (also Gravity Gray) last month and I agree that the marketing was perhaps a wee aggressive. I think that the AWD is very well suited for wet or icy pavement and some gravel roads which is the very most ours will ever see. I suspect that's probably a situation the vast majority of Telluride buyers find themselves. Once you get into more challenging terrain like the hill climb in this video I suspect you fall into a different class of vehicle and a buyer that is not looking for a quiet, comfortable, cabin-focused experience offered in the Telluride (as well as comparable vehicles in its class). Those vehicles come equipped with proper off-road tires, transmission and suspension set-ups designed for off road use, clearance capabilities not see by the Telluride. Of course, the sacrifice is when using those vehicles as a daily commuter they are generally loud cabins, stiffer rides that transfer every road bump to your steering wheel and your backside. I'm not sure I got a lot from this review except affirmation that I bought exactly the right type of vehicle for my use. It was cool to see the vehicle make the hill climb as, frankly, I suspected it might fail. If Kia looks to make a more capable off-road vehicle I hope they design a different model and continue to support the Telluride in its current form.
Are you tested the subaru ascent on the same escenario? Tell me about the awd
great review I knew those commercials were over the top this thing is a knock off of the 2011-2019 explorer and no hill descent it's less than the 2011-2019 explorer. Can't you tell I'm a Ford guy🤣
is that color gravity gray?
You are filming this solo, good job
For dryer So Cal weather (and a 4x4 Expedition for off-road), would you opt for FWD instead of AWD to gain a couple MPG? Or are there other advantages to AWD for dry street driving, other than better rain and mild off-road performance?
There’s not much of a hit for all wheel drive these days. I would usually opt for that over front wheel drive. Even in Southern California.
If you're looking large and offroad, you might as well include versions of Expedition, Tahoe, Yukon along with that Sequoia.