Good video! It's a great reminder for me because i get so caught up studying and playing GTO that I sometimes forget that most live players should be exploited.
@pot_kivach160 it's not about going pro. If you want to get better at something you have to spend time leanring. Which is why you watched the video too no?
@@onefatpeon I have degree in science, and I know that those solvers charts are not meant for a human to memorize. Not an above average human can memorize all that mess. Proof: take a look at all those poker teachers and analysts: they all are looking at the charts that are in front of their eyes, and not in their memory. (I was sarcastic in my previous post).
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Like the little ebook. Think you have a typo in the turn section though on page 26. 'The one exception is if a very good card for our range came on the flop.' Should this say turn instead of flop?
Thanks, yes absolutely, sorry. You are right of course. That typo was undetected in the proofreading. Thanks for pointing it out. I’m glad you enjoyed the ebook though.
It's interesting to watch the meta trends shift over time. Now this "check range OOP, bet range IP" is making its way through the top exploit coaches. Q: if we are Villain, perceived as a recreational player, how should we respond to this strategy? :D
My answer: as Villain OOP I would increase my flop x/r frequency with the bottom of a polarized range, and maybe merge some of my value x/r range with my x/c range. As Villain IP, I would triple off more low card runouts (that disfavor Hero's range as PFR) and understab with my thin value holdings.
Good question, and you gave a great answer too. I can say that as a thinking player, I would fall to serious aggression from every recreational player who is not a maniac. This means that you should just check raise and barrel against professional players. The only time I won’t believe your aggression is when you just stab after I checked. But if I bet and you raise me, then I will believe you.
Thanks for this video, it’s really useful. I’m just wondering if you would recommend a similar strategy for online or whether it’s a completely different ball game? I struggle with knowing when to Cbet and this is helpful :)
That’s a very good point. I would not use the same strategy online as a default, but when you are up against recreational players, then I feel like it works almost better than live. But when you’re up against thinking players, which is the case a lot more often online, then you need to be a bit closer to theory. I think you would definitely benefit from my new e-book about C-betting. Just click the link in the description of this video, and you can get it for free there. I explain everything that you need to know to build out a good strategy.
Lazy strategy to always cbet IP and always check OOP. The strategy should depend on your opponent. I love the 2 big blind cbet or check vs a maniac. Pot size cbet vs calling stations with strong hands. I dont want to check good but vulnerable hands OOP vs the general rec, they tend to check behind middle pair or top pair weak kicker too often but call 3 streets. I will check all my draws, air and nuts for check-raise, call or fold.
I agree. This is definitely a simplified strategy to help beginners. But I only use it as a default. If I know player tendencies, then I will absolutely deviate from this.
@@Hannuhanhi-1 not really, if your opponent just calls this small bet you can bet he does only have a marginal hand or a weak draw. All good hands, nuts and big draws will raise. And villains who have a tendency to bluff will take it almost always. If you play exploitative and also bet 10-15% pot with your top and bottom of range, you can really put pressure on your opponents on the turn and river with overbets. After villain just calls. I usually 2-2,5x the pot on turn in these spots.
I feel like after A player has good fundamentals the rest is feeling and instinct. Also paying attention to the other players at the table and what they are doing and the hands they get to showdown with is super important. Having AA but knowing your beat you need to be bale to lay it down. But there bet sizing usually telegraphs hand strength is true and c-bet in position and check out of position is 100% good advice and also 3-bet bet with a bigger sizing if everyone is calling your 15$ preflop raise. Good luck everyone
Rake is indeed high at the low stakes, but in most countries it is super easy to beat. Where do you play? I know that in some European countries these games are indeed difficult to beat as rake is even higher than in other places and opponents are better.
Definitely don’t check your entire range oop! Are we checking 99 on 872r? What about 98s? In live 1/2 I don’t think we really need to be doing anything with range. Do what your hand wants to do until someone shows you they’re thinking. Range betting and range checking is just leaving money on the table at these stakes. I’d rather make adjustments like sizing up with value and down with bluffs than range checking.
If those 9s are as vulnerable as you feel, and that rec player has overs or whatever then you don't need to bet because we know they will be stabbing with those hands way too often.
I agree with you. This strategy should be used as a default because the player pool overstabs. But of course if you have any reads then by all means deviate from this. If I know exactly that a guy in position won’t bet his air, then of course I will cbet for protection.
Thanks. If you’re unhappy with something, it’s definitely a good idea to comment. But I’m not quite sure what you mean. I’m giving away my book for free, I can’t see how this is a rip off. I’m not selling anything; I don’t ask for any money. How do I rip you off then?
@DominationRotation not about the concepts, he's literally copying the exact words, phrases, emphasis, delivery, etc. He is literally even distorting his voice in the same way that hungry horse did, to emphasize the exact same words in the exact same way.
I wonder why they are trying to make the same point, with the exact same words, with the exact same vocational editing... maybe its because one of them copied the other? Never mind. Hungry horses video was released 6 months ago. No way he could copy a video that quickly. Copying would be so much greater a challenge. He just have just coincidentally happened to choose the exact same words, said in the same cadence, and using the same vocal effect to emphasize the exact same words in the exact way. Silly me. How could i ever have thought something so stupid on its face? @DominationRotation
If you get better at hand reading, as the video maker recommends, you will be better at figuring out whether this hand is the 90% and you should bluff less and value bet thinner, or in the 10% where you bluff more and value bet smaller
BTW I would have said the same thing as you 2 years ago except not pro just profitable hobby, now most of my money comes from bluffing the same 1-3 player pool. I had a +285 4 hour session the other day where I only won 3 total hands at showdown, only 1 if which was large, losing all the other large pots at showdown. That really should have been a losing session, but it you structure your strategy in such a way to exploit your imbalanced opponents to have either a very very capped range on blank rivers, or wide uncapped ranges with strong as well as air, then you can have profitable bluffs. In order to get the bluffs through that you want to, you need to get them to fork their range by sizing your bets on flop and turn that maximize their chance of making an imbalanced decision of raising with strong hands, calling with weaker hands, and not mixing it with to protect their calling range. Oop sets and two pair in srhu pots are often supposed to only call 40-60% of the time on wet dynamic boards rather than raise to protect their calling range. Live rec players are way too greedy, and way too scared of turn cards, to do that. Everything he's saying is exactly what the solver says to do when you node lock typical rec player tendencies
Thanks. I won’t disagree with you because my sample size in Vegas consists of less than 50 hours. But if you pick the right spots, you will be able to get folds in vegas as well.
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Marc’s great.
If I ever say that phrase in my videos, I know I’ve been watching too much UA-cam.
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Wow, thank you! Glad to hear that it provided value.
Great stuff Andreas, good lessons
Glad you like them! Thank you!
Thanks Eric Warehiem
You think? Next week I’ll have a poll where I’ll ask if I look anything like him. Then we’ll find out the truth. Make sure to vote.
I clicked the thumbnail thinking. Why is Eric Warehiem doing poker?
Good video! It's a great reminder for me because i get so caught up studying and playing GTO that I sometimes forget that most live players should be exploited.
Yes, if you play live, you definitely have to move away from theory and look hard for exploits.
@pot_kivach160 it's not about going pro. If you want to get better at something you have to spend time leanring. Which is why you watched the video too no?
@@onefatpeon I have degree in science, and I know that those solvers charts are not meant for a human to memorize. Not an above average human can memorize all that mess. Proof: take a look at all those poker teachers and analysts: they all are looking at the charts that are in front of their eyes, and not in their memory.
(I was sarcastic in my previous post).
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Thank you.
Like the little ebook. Think you have a typo in the turn section though on page 26. 'The one exception is if a very good card for our range came on the flop.' Should this say turn instead of flop?
Thanks, yes absolutely, sorry. You are right of course. That typo was undetected in the proofreading. Thanks for pointing it out. I’m glad you enjoyed the ebook though.
It's interesting to watch the meta trends shift over time. Now this "check range OOP, bet range IP" is making its way through the top exploit coaches.
Q: if we are Villain, perceived as a recreational player, how should we respond to this strategy? :D
My answer: as Villain OOP I would increase my flop x/r frequency with the bottom of a polarized range, and maybe merge some of my value x/r range with my x/c range. As Villain IP, I would triple off more low card runouts (that disfavor Hero's range as PFR) and understab with my thin value holdings.
Anyway I didn't realize I wasn't subbed, have fixed this oversight. Keep up the great work, love your educational content!
X raise when they bet in position when you have nut advantage and preferably range advantage. X behind when they x on flops that favors pfr.
Yes, that’s great strategy advice.
Good question, and you gave a great answer too. I can say that as a thinking player, I would fall to serious aggression from every recreational player who is not a maniac. This means that you should just check raise and barrel against professional players. The only time I won’t believe your aggression is when you just stab after I checked. But if I bet and you raise me, then I will believe you.
Thanks for this video, it’s really useful. I’m just wondering if you would recommend a similar strategy for online or whether it’s a completely different ball game? I struggle with knowing when to Cbet and this is helpful :)
That’s a very good point. I would not use the same strategy online as a default, but when you are up against recreational players, then I feel like it works almost better than live. But when you’re up against thinking players, which is the case a lot more often online, then you need to be a bit closer to theory. I think you would definitely benefit from my new e-book about C-betting. Just click the link in the description of this video, and you can get it for free there. I explain everything that you need to know to build out a good strategy.
Great advice once again. Thank you.
My pleasure!
Lazy strategy to always cbet IP and always check OOP.
The strategy should depend on your opponent. I love the 2 big blind cbet or check vs a maniac.
Pot size cbet vs calling stations with strong hands.
I dont want to check good but vulnerable hands OOP vs the general rec, they tend to check behind middle pair or top pair weak kicker too often but call 3 streets. I will check all my draws, air and nuts for check-raise, call or fold.
I agree. This is definitely a simplified strategy to help beginners. But I only use it as a default. If I know player tendencies, then I will absolutely deviate from this.
2 bb bet is the same as checking. At least in the games i play
@@Hannuhanhi-1 not really, if your opponent just calls this small bet you can bet he does only have a marginal hand or a weak draw. All good hands, nuts and big draws will raise. And villains who have a tendency to bluff will take it almost always.
If you play exploitative and also bet 10-15% pot with your top and bottom of range, you can really put pressure on your opponents on the turn and river with overbets. After villain just calls. I usually 2-2,5x the pot on turn in these spots.
I feel like after A player has good fundamentals the rest is feeling and instinct. Also paying attention to the other players at the table and what they are doing and the hands they get to showdown with is super important. Having AA but knowing your beat you need to be bale to lay it down. But there bet sizing usually telegraphs hand strength is true and c-bet in position and check out of position is 100% good advice and also 3-bet bet with a bigger sizing if everyone is calling your 15$ preflop raise. Good luck everyone
Yes that’s true. Well said.
I think its way harder to beat 1/2 and 1/3 than your letting on, due to the rake being very high at those stakes
Are you kidding me? Worst players play 1/2 and 1/3. I sit back and make my 12bb+ an hour after rake and tips.
Rake is indeed high at the low stakes, but in most countries it is super easy to beat. Where do you play? I know that in some European countries these games are indeed difficult to beat as rake is even higher than in other places and opponents are better.
Exactly. In most poker rooms, these games are definitely beatable.
Yes please!
Do you mean you would like the free e-book, or how should I interpret this? Thanks!
Definitely don’t check your entire range oop! Are we checking 99 on 872r? What about 98s? In live 1/2 I don’t think we really need to be doing anything with range. Do what your hand wants to do until someone shows you they’re thinking. Range betting and range checking is just leaving money on the table at these stakes. I’d rather make adjustments like sizing up with value and down with bluffs than range checking.
If those 9s are as vulnerable as you feel, and that rec player has overs or whatever then you don't need to bet because we know they will be stabbing with those hands way too often.
I agree with you. This strategy should be used as a default because the player pool overstabs. But of course if you have any reads then by all means deviate from this. If I know exactly that a guy in position won’t bet his air, then of course I will cbet for protection.
HHP strategy
Yes, they use it too - to great success by the sounds of it.
This is such a blatant ripoff had to comment. It’s getting out of hand.
Thanks. If you’re unhappy with something, it’s definitely a good idea to comment. But I’m not quite sure what you mean. I’m giving away my book for free, I can’t see how this is a rip off. I’m not selling anything; I don’t ask for any money. How do I rip you off then?
You are literally copying hungry horse poker phrases kinda sad bro
You think Marc invented those concepts?
Almost as if they are universal.
@DominationRotation not about the concepts, he's literally copying the exact words, phrases, emphasis, delivery, etc. He is literally even distorting his voice in the same way that hungry horse did, to emphasize the exact same words in the exact same way.
@@emaster01 Probably because the point they are trying to get across is the same one.
@DominationRotation or.....
Maybe he just copied somebody else's content because he saw how successful it was
I wonder why they are trying to make the same point, with the exact same words, with the exact same vocational editing... maybe its because one of them copied the other? Never mind. Hungry horses video was released 6 months ago. No way he could copy a video that quickly. Copying would be so much greater a challenge. He just have just coincidentally happened to choose the exact same words, said in the same cadence, and using the same vocal effect to emphasize the exact same words in the exact way. Silly me. How could i ever have thought something so stupid on its face?
@DominationRotation
no sound
You might have to turn the volume on. Sound works perfectly for me and everyone else.
I play professionally everday in las vegas. If you bluff you will get called 90% of the time. So this video is a fail
If you get better at hand reading, as the video maker recommends, you will be better at figuring out whether this hand is the 90% and you should bluff less and value bet thinner, or in the 10% where you bluff more and value bet smaller
BTW I would have said the same thing as you 2 years ago except not pro just profitable hobby, now most of my money comes from bluffing the same 1-3 player pool. I had a +285 4 hour session the other day where I only won 3 total hands at showdown, only 1 if which was large, losing all the other large pots at showdown.
That really should have been a losing session, but it you structure your strategy in such a way to exploit your imbalanced opponents to have either a very very capped range on blank rivers, or wide uncapped ranges with strong as well as air, then you can have profitable bluffs.
In order to get the bluffs through that you want to, you need to get them to fork their range by sizing your bets on flop and turn that maximize their chance of making an imbalanced decision of raising with strong hands, calling with weaker hands, and not mixing it with to protect their calling range. Oop sets and two pair in srhu pots are often supposed to only call 40-60% of the time on wet dynamic boards rather than raise to protect their calling range. Live rec players are way too greedy, and way too scared of turn cards, to do that. Everything he's saying is exactly what the solver says to do when you node lock typical rec player tendencies
Shht up nit.
90% is about right. I play pro 1/2 1/3 and 2/5 in the northeast area. But it’s ok because they pay off bigger bets.
Thanks. I won’t disagree with you because my sample size in Vegas consists of less than 50 hours. But if you pick the right spots, you will be able to get folds in vegas as well.