Nissan screwed over it’s dedicated fan group and any potential new buyers when it decided to allow dealerships to outrageously mark up prices on the new Z. Definitely considered buying one but the dealerships disgusted me with their asking prices.
@@CrimpKeeper 40-45k is what a new one should’ve sold for. Nissan screwed so many people. I remember dealers asking 80-100k for one. Outrageous!!! There’s so many better cars at that price range.
@@PQ28120 no one is talking about the Nismo version. I’m talking about the base version. MSRP was supposed to be around 45k. Dealers were asking double that! You might be an idiot and still buy it but I won’t
They did such a good job on the Nismo package at giving shoutouts to pretty much every single generation of Z car without it looking like an Easter egg mess. Really a well-proportioned and attractive car, and MUCH improved over the base version IMO.
@@andrews2463 it’s not that it doesn’t jump out I’ve just ever seen one and I live in a fairly affluent area I have seen more cyber trucks than new z cars and that z has been out a while 😏. I think dealer markups will ultimately kill it off
I've only seen 2 in the wild. Dealers think they are more special than they are, and mark up an already overpriced car. Having to pay $8K over base for a limited slip diff in a 400hp car is asinine.
@@andrews2463 the Supra is quite subdued tho, it does not "jump out" or whatever. And it starts with an S not a Z. A design that "jumps out" is something like a Lamborghini or a Viper.
@@davothegreat9990 I mean my M2 tuned was much faster than my Z and I sold that for an s2000. You guys gotta stop worrying about always being the fastest. There’s much more to enjoying cars than that and there will always be someone faster than you. Nowadays an electric grocery getter will shut down most cars.
The Z has the goods, don't worry about that , Its also by far one of the sexiest cars on the road , I brought it, I love it and please keep giving it negative comments as I hate having a car that everyone else is driving. There are many Z buyers that paid a lot for upgrades , in Australia it made sense to me to pay the extra and get the Nismo, no upgrades required .
This car is so frustrating to like. It’s a platform that started R&D in the 90s. Nissan saved a boatload by using a platform that needed minimal R&D money. The starting price for the base should be the price of the performance (with the LSD). And the Nismo should be like 10-15k cheaper. Nissan should have known that they were never going to compete with the Supras/ Corvettes/Caymens of the world with a platform that’s 30 years old, so they should have gone the value proposition route. Maybe siphon off some BRZ, Miata, or CTR customers. Getting smoked by a Supra on track would be easier to swallow if I’m paying 10k less than those guys. 🤷🏽♂️
By lowering the price 10 or $15,000, you lose anywhere from $150-$250 million if you sell 15,000 cars in one year. I see why the manufacturer didn’t do that, but it will ultimately hurt the car. Agreed.
Yep, and for that price you're not even getting all the Nismo parts on the car, and no hshift is a no sale for a lot of car folks. It's a shame since the Nismo catalog is actually very good and the parts are reasonably priced compared to other performance parts. The Z has always been more of a choose your own adventure type of car, you can keep the soft SUV type grand touring suspension and auto trans for folks who just want to ride around (which let's face it, it's what a vast majority will do 99% of the time). Or you can go all the way with an hshift Sport and essentially make it a shifter kart with some Nismo and SPL parts for serious trackday fun.
The Supra puts down 380-390 to the wheel. I'm willing to bet the Nismo puts down close to 380 to the wheel. It's not missing power the Supra is just underrating it's power output.
@bigjdm5460 He was very clear that they were "rated numbers". Also, comparing track data from a chilly April morning to a warm (at least) August afternoon.
which translates to how some companies try to put a cherry on a piece of crap and other companies try to hide the a diamond under some carbon coal. always love a good underrated car at the dealership and then you take it out for a spin and its a rocket ship
True, and I misspoke in the video at one point. Our 301whp BMW should be putting out roughly 325-330hp at the crank. But when compared to the claimed 420 crank hp of the Z, those acceleration curves are still sus.
@@Grassrootsmotorsports I think the Z is making exactly as much power as it should, and all the BMW products are massively over-delivering compared to their rating. Every time a stock Supra hits a dyno, the WHP is at least as high as the crank hp claim. Modern BMW horsepower figures are as fictional as Mopar ratings in the 60s were.
It definitely got some attention. Both from fans who knew what it was and normies who just knew it was something special. We can criticize the performance a bit, but it's undeniable Nissan has captured something special, especially with the Nismo package. It really nails both the heritage and the modern proportions.
The track data shows the Supra never had to slow down as much for every corner, and out accelerated the Z on every straightaway. Reminds me of the 300zx and mk4 Supra Days. They're just not the same class car, even though on paper they should be so close...
I’ve said it since the Z came out. The base sport trim should be the performance, the performance trim should be the nismo and the nismo should be even more hard core. And take 3-5k off the sticker of each to truly be a desirable option.
It would need to be way cheaper to be desirable. These cars are barely selling. There are a ton of brand new 2024s on dealer lots still and most aren't moving. Even at 10k below MSRP many are just sitting. For these to be desirable, every trim needed to start 10k below what they are. The Nismo should have been a 5k upgrade over the Performance, not 12k.
Another alternative would have been to just rate the car more appropriately. if this showed up and Nissan claimed 350-360hp, I'd have never blinked (especially if it was about $10k cheaper). It's not a bad car, it's just not coming anywhere close to backing up its claims.
well if you knew how it was sold in japan you'd lose your mind, for 500$ above base model here you'll get a diff. they just needed to do the same in the US for some reason they didn't...
I’m having a hard time with needing $12k+ upcharge just to compete with a base 3.0 Supra. And the Supra has yet to release the GRMN version. What answer will NISMO have next?
Was considering 1 for my wife. Dealer killed it before we even got to see 1 in person. Toyota dealer did the same thing when we were considering a Supra. I guess the companies don’t really want to sell cars to customers who can actually afford to buy them.
Most people should not buy a performance car for how fast it can go, but instead for how it looks and for the fun of the drive. Because typically, if they drive it 100,000 miles only about 10 or less of those miles will actually be spent racing.
You are commenting on a channel that specializes in motorsports. Going fast & vehicle dynamics is what matters here. So naturally, the people will buy a performance car based on how well it performs.
Throttlehouse had a similar issue and they believed it was low octane fuel. What were your fuel procedures? The Z Nismo has shown to be just a small tick slower than a Supra accelerating. The metrics in the track data are way off. Even at VIR, a power track, it was just a tick slower than the Supra. Something is off.
We fill all our test cars with a top tier 93. Definitely agree that the numbers aren't adding up for us, but this is now two Zs (Performance and NISMO) that have seemingly underperformed their numbers. Maybe we need heavier shoes.
@@Grassrootsmotorsports my near stock suspension 370Z Nismo with RE71RS’s did a 1:18.8 there and it was my first time on that track. What was the top speed at the end of the straight with the Z Nismo? I hit 116 (and slightly cooked it into the finish line). I make about 350whp. Just curious what gives. Like was the tank empty when it was refilled?
@@ssfirehawk02 I'll doublecheck the data but I think top speed into T9 (or T1 depending on which s/f you're using) was 111. So definitely down a bit from yours. Do you have data from your run? Or weather/temp info? Based on our cornering speeds the car is clearly capable of 1:18s with the right thrust.
@@Grassrootsmotorsports I have the lap on my page. It was brisk up until noon. Maybe crept up to maybe 75 at most. My fastest run was later in the day. I can look up forecast data if it’s valuable. Just pasted below. ua-cam.com/video/EBhwqXsq2e8/v-deo.htmlsi=x91YZ2wUZdQhMgmj
I have seen a auto journalist got the z an d it didn’t have premium gas in it , he knew something was wrong and get some good gas in it , Supra is abit faster , but possibly something was wrong with the z
@@yume8380😂 the cheapest used Supra is $55k for a 2023 with 16k miles. I can get a 2024 Nissan Z with 1800 miles for $39kz I’ll take that $16k and save it. The Supra is NOT worth $55k. It’s a $30k sports car at most.
After driving both the Supra was the easy pick. The Z was slower and sloppier. The Nismo at its price is still. An M4 is a better buy, even if the M is slightly used.
I've driven both too. The nismo is unquestionably slower, but it feels better imo on the road and has better ergonomics surprisingly for someone taller.
@@Sonic_1000 fair enough. I'm basing my opinion off of steering feel and highway driving. Not total grip or other things. So i can understand either way. Maybe it was the supra i drove. But the steering just didn't feel that good to me. Kinda artificial and the steering wheel itself felt less comfortable to hold and turn. These simple things are important to me. Plus in comparison to the z4, the supra just isn't the best option for my height. I fit way better in the z4 in comparison.
The Nismo version of the GT-R and Z have always been a bit overpriced for what you get, they don't even come with all the Nismo parts available for the car. Much better to buy an hshift Sport since the markups are gone on them, and do the Nismo upgrades in your garage (as well as some SPL and Z1 parts while you're at it), much cheaper and you get an hshift Nismo with the R200 differential.
I like the way the Nismo Z looks vs the Supra and I like the performance of the new Supra vs Z. If the Nismo was available in a manual I would get one later on.
I’m curious about the data comparison between the sport and the Nismo most of the other reviews and an owner I spoke to say it accelerates significantly faster than the base model. The owner stated Nismo felt “explosive” where the sport felt like it was being held back. I don’t doubt for a second that the Supra is faster, but something seems fishy about the way the acceleration seemed to fall off after the first straight for the z.
Okay, first, all cars should be tested for HP and torque figures in the same way and in the same machine. We have a BMW that is tested at the wheels while the Z is providing a claimed hp at the crank. Remember that in the numbers from the BMW, the power loss throughout the powertrain is already effective (torque converter, transmission, differential) while the Z is yet to take all of that into account after the hp number. Then, we have to wonder about fuel quality, tires and weather (temperature affects a lot of variables like adhesión, air density, cooling, aerodinamic drag, etc). So, before jumping to conclusions about the claims and how much better of a car one is over the other, we should at least have the numbers straight from the same dyno using the same fuel and have the track tests performed after that on conditions as equal as possible
The brake calipers are NOT the same on the NISMO, also you're saying that the bmw makes 301 to the wheels, but you comparing it to the Zs 420 to the crank. In reality the power numbers are much closer than you're making it seem
The advanced timing of the Z Nismo is only active while it's in sport + mode and it's very dependent on octane too. A Z Nismo not on 93 and not in sport + isnt making more real world power than a performance
I'm tired of people still keep calling the Mk5 Supra a BMW joke even tho it's 2024 now and it's been 5 years since 2019, Toyota made the B58 more reliable and BMW made the interior better. Win-win for me. Why does no one call GR86 a Subaru, Lotus cars a Toyota since it has Toyota engine, and Mk4 Supra a Yamaha? 2JZ was made in collab with Yamaha. Car companies working together is normal.
I love these cars, but they are so overpriced. These are only moving with deep dealer discounts and then the depreciation has been brutal. People who paid 56k for a Performance just a year ago are struggling to sell them at 40k with barely any miles on them. There are many sub 60k Nismos available that havent moved in months. Im worried Nissan axes the Z in a year or two, especially with the economy being in the toilet.
It's such a historic nameplate, and the NISMO really gets so many things right. We'd just love to live in a world where the numbers on this car add up and there's another worthy market and track competitor to cars like the Supra and Cayman.
DCT would be our first pick. Close second would be a modern auto with a more appropriate shift strategy, especially at high rpm. The ZF 8HP in the Supra and M2 is fantastic. Probably as close as you'll get to DCT control in a torque converter automatic. Why not just go with an off-the-shelf known quantity like that?
The supra is SO much better than this car, youre getting more power, better handling, more sporty overall, more tech overall, more luxury interior, its just SO MUCH better for the same price. If the Z was as good as the supra, not even better but just as good id have gotten that over my supra, but i chose supra because its so much better in every category. I could not be happier.
I died a little when the new 400z in the non nismo form was slower than a gr86 and brz and other cars costing less. I was a nissan/infinti master tech... I don't know what NIssan is thinking but they have really gone downhill....
Only very few people wants the look of the 1970s z. Nissan did the stupid thing by making it look like it. They should have just release a totally brand new one, and not trying to make it look like the old old ones.
Not many complaints about the auto from us, except for the soft shifts near redline. It reacts quickly and predictably to the paddles, and feels like there's very little if any torque lost through the converter. A true DCT would probably be better, but this one is in a league close to (but slightly below) the BMW/Supra ZF8HP
@@Grassrootsmotorsports interesting. So then Nissan is either lying about the power bump or maybe the thing really is just too heavy. 300lbs heavier than the Supra😖.
You are completely trash talking a car with wrong specs. You have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not going to waist time telling it all. Others have already done so in the comments. Giving false reviews can be bad for business. I will not be watching any more of your videos. Definately will not be subbing. lol.
Take it up with Nissan's marketing department. Z Nismo is the official name of the car. I agree that it's awkward as hell, and there are a whole bunch of takes we redid of me saying Nismo Z because that just flows off the tongue better. But we wanted to be accurate, and sometimes accurate is awkward.
It's a bit disingenuous to keep talking about how much more power the z makes compared to the bmw you guys mention. The z does not make 420hp (people have dyno'd it at about 360hp) to the wheels and probably is only marginally powered compared to the bmw. Not too mention the bmw extreme tires are probably actually better than the factory Z tires. So what if the bmw makes less power. The cars are pretty even... Maybe outside of cost lol. Which is where the z falls flat on its face. Yes... it's over priced.
That's the point they're trying to make though. They're showing us that the horsepower rating doesn't match what Nissan is claiming when compared to another RWD turbo 6 cylinder car which weighs about the same with a much lower claimed horsepower rating. It's not disingenuous, they're showing us their work rather than making unsubstantiated claims
Our point was that the Nissan should have a roughly 90hp advantage on the BMW, with similar curb weights, but they're a near dead heat in acceleration. The Z is definitely letting all its claimed horses out of the corral.
@@Grassrootsmotorsports you guys openly compared claimed horsepower versus real world whp. It's purely disingenuous. There's no other way to put it. It's an odd argument. You are comparing a modded car versus a stock car. It's silly.
Nissan screwed over it’s dedicated fan group and any potential new buyers when it decided to allow dealerships to outrageously mark up prices on the new Z. Definitely considered buying one but the dealerships disgusted me with their asking prices.
Go look now. 2024 Z manual with 1800 miles is 39.3k
Prices are coming down because no one is buying.
@@CrimpKeeper 40-45k is what a new one should’ve sold for. Nissan screwed so many people. I remember dealers asking 80-100k for one. Outrageous!!! There’s so many better cars at that price range.
Life long z owner and fanboy… would have already bought one but I refuse to play the post covid dealer games
@@kenxiong6830 Bruh, in 1993 z's were selling for up to 36k in 1993 money. This idea that a Nismo z should be 40k is just stupid dumb dumb head.
@@PQ28120 no one is talking about the Nismo version. I’m talking about the base version. MSRP was supposed to be around 45k. Dealers were asking double that! You might be an idiot and still buy it but I won’t
Z taillights are perfection. Brings me back to the 300zx days
They did such a good job on the Nismo package at giving shoutouts to pretty much every single generation of Z car without it looking like an Easter egg mess. Really a well-proportioned and attractive car, and MUCH improved over the base version IMO.
The new z car has to be one of the most frustrating car releases ever. I never see them and from what I gather insanely over priced
I've seen one at Publix in lemon-lime yellow, looks good. Doesn't jump out and dance for attention like the Zupra does.
@@andrews2463 it’s not that it doesn’t jump out I’ve just ever seen one and I live in a fairly affluent area I have seen more cyber trucks than new z cars and that z has been out a while 😏. I think dealer markups will ultimately kill it off
I actually see more nismo's than regular Z's
I've only seen 2 in the wild. Dealers think they are more special than they are, and mark up an already overpriced car. Having to pay $8K over base for a limited slip diff in a 400hp car is asinine.
@@andrews2463 the Supra is quite subdued tho, it does not "jump out" or whatever. And it starts with an S not a Z.
A design that "jumps out" is something like a Lamborghini or a Viper.
Paid 45k for mine a year ago. It’s a manual sport and I love every moment of it on the road
Until you see supra tail lights ..😂
@@davothegreat9990Lmao
How tall are you?
What is the tallest person that has been in your ride?
@@davothegreat9990 I mean my M2 tuned was much faster than my Z and I sold that for an s2000. You guys gotta stop worrying about always being the fastest. There’s much more to enjoying cars than that and there will always be someone faster than you. Nowadays an electric grocery getter will shut down most cars.
@@jemand4656 I’m 5 11 and I’m the tallest that’s been in it. Great space.
The Z has the goods, don't worry about that , Its also by far one of the sexiest cars on the road , I brought it, I love it and please keep giving it negative comments as I hate having a car that everyone else is driving. There are many Z buyers that paid a lot for upgrades , in Australia it made sense to me to pay the extra and get the Nismo, no upgrades required .
This car is so frustrating to like. It’s a platform that started R&D in the 90s. Nissan saved a boatload by using a platform that needed minimal R&D money. The starting price for the base should be the price of the performance (with the LSD). And the Nismo should be like 10-15k cheaper. Nissan should have known that they were never going to compete with the Supras/ Corvettes/Caymens of the world with a platform that’s 30 years old, so they should have gone the value proposition route. Maybe siphon off some BRZ, Miata, or CTR customers. Getting smoked by a Supra on track would be easier to swallow if I’m paying 10k less than those guys. 🤷🏽♂️
By lowering the price 10 or $15,000, you lose anywhere from $150-$250 million if you sell 15,000 cars in one year. I see why the manufacturer didn’t do that, but it will ultimately hurt the car. Agreed.
@@caryg4638 If they lower the Z price by 15K they will sell a lot more cars.
totally agree
It was already agricultural grade engineering when they debuted this shared SUV platform more than two decades ago.
Yep, and for that price you're not even getting all the Nismo parts on the car, and no hshift is a no sale for a lot of car folks. It's a shame since the Nismo catalog is actually very good and the parts are reasonably priced compared to other performance parts. The Z has always been more of a choose your own adventure type of car, you can keep the soft SUV type grand touring suspension and auto trans for folks who just want to ride around (which let's face it, it's what a vast majority will do 99% of the time). Or you can go all the way with an hshift Sport and essentially make it a shifter kart with some Nismo and SPL parts for serious trackday fun.
The Supra puts down 380-390 to the wheel. I'm willing to bet the Nismo puts down close to 380 to the wheel. It's not missing power the Supra is just underrating it's power output.
Also weight and zf 8 speed is the key and puts down power better also 390whp z is 365whp or so and torque is 426+ to the wheels on the Supra! Insane!😮
I would think this channel would know that important detail LOL. Looks like he has no idea .
@bigjdm5460 He was very clear that they were "rated numbers".
Also, comparing track data from a chilly April morning to a warm (at least) August afternoon.
which translates to how some companies try to put a cherry on a piece of crap and other companies try to hide the a diamond under some carbon coal. always love a good underrated car at the dealership and then you take it out for a spin and its a rocket ship
Not defending the Z but remember that car makers don't advertise WHP , they claim flywheel HP.
True, and I misspoke in the video at one point. Our 301whp BMW should be putting out roughly 325-330hp at the crank. But when compared to the claimed 420 crank hp of the Z, those acceleration curves are still sus.
@@Grassrootsmotorsports turbo cars put more power under the curve
@@Grassrootsmotorsports I think the Z is making exactly as much power as it should, and all the BMW products are massively over-delivering compared to their rating. Every time a stock Supra hits a dyno, the WHP is at least as high as the crank hp claim. Modern BMW horsepower figures are as fictional as Mopar ratings in the 60s were.
@@GrassrootsmotorsportsBMW Is probably making 380 crank HP. The small MPH difference is reasonable.
@@Grassrootsmotorsportswhat transmission is in the BMW for a 25hp drivetrain loss?
I can confirm the amount of looks the car gets. I’ve had mine since January and people still stare and also come up and talk to me about it.
It definitely got some attention. Both from fans who knew what it was and normies who just knew it was something special. We can criticize the performance a bit, but it's undeniable Nissan has captured something special, especially with the Nismo package. It really nails both the heritage and the modern proportions.
The track data shows the Supra never had to slow down as much for every corner, and out accelerated the Z on every straightaway.
Reminds me of the 300zx and mk4 Supra Days.
They're just not the same class car, even though on paper they should be so close...
I’ve said it since the Z came out. The base sport trim should be the performance, the performance trim should be the nismo and the nismo should be even more hard core. And take 3-5k off the sticker of each to truly be a desirable option.
It would need to be way cheaper to be desirable. These cars are barely selling. There are a ton of brand new 2024s on dealer lots still and most aren't moving. Even at 10k below MSRP many are just sitting. For these to be desirable, every trim needed to start 10k below what they are. The Nismo should have been a 5k upgrade over the Performance, not 12k.
Another alternative would have been to just rate the car more appropriately. if this showed up and Nissan claimed 350-360hp, I'd have never blinked (especially if it was about $10k cheaper). It's not a bad car, it's just not coming anywhere close to backing up its claims.
NISMO should have been 450hp
well if you knew how it was sold in japan you'd lose your mind, for 500$ above base model here you'll get a diff. they just needed to do the same in the US for some reason they didn't...
I’m having a hard time with needing $12k+ upcharge just to compete with a base 3.0 Supra. And the Supra has yet to release the GRMN version. What answer will NISMO have next?
Was considering 1 for my wife. Dealer killed it before we even got to see 1 in person. Toyota dealer did the same thing when we were considering a Supra. I guess the companies don’t really want to sell cars to customers who can actually afford to buy them.
Z continues to disappoint.
But honestly if the new Supra, m240, m340, M3, M4 didn't exist THEN the new Z would look pretty good
Most people should not buy a performance car for how fast it can go, but instead for how it looks and for the fun of the drive. Because typically, if they drive it 100,000 miles only about 10 or less of those miles will actually be spent racing.
You are commenting on a channel that specializes in motorsports. Going fast & vehicle dynamics is what matters here. So naturally, the people will buy a performance car based on how well it performs.
Throttlehouse had a similar issue and they believed it was low octane fuel. What were your fuel procedures? The Z Nismo has shown to be just a small tick slower than a Supra accelerating. The metrics in the track data are way off. Even at VIR, a power track, it was just a tick slower than the Supra. Something is off.
We fill all our test cars with a top tier 93. Definitely agree that the numbers aren't adding up for us, but this is now two Zs (Performance and NISMO) that have seemingly underperformed their numbers. Maybe we need heavier shoes.
@@Grassrootsmotorsports my near stock suspension 370Z Nismo with RE71RS’s did a 1:18.8 there and it was my first time on that track. What was the top speed at the end of the straight with the Z Nismo? I hit 116 (and slightly cooked it into the finish line). I make about 350whp. Just curious what gives. Like was the tank empty when it was refilled?
@@ssfirehawk02 I'll doublecheck the data but I think top speed into T9 (or T1 depending on which s/f you're using) was 111. So definitely down a bit from yours. Do you have data from your run? Or weather/temp info? Based on our cornering speeds the car is clearly capable of 1:18s with the right thrust.
@@Grassrootsmotorsports I have the lap on my page. It was brisk up until noon. Maybe crept up to maybe 75 at most. My fastest run was later in the day. I can look up forecast data if it’s valuable. Just pasted below.
ua-cam.com/video/EBhwqXsq2e8/v-deo.htmlsi=x91YZ2wUZdQhMgmj
I have seen a auto journalist got the z an d it didn’t have premium gas in it , he knew something was wrong and get some good gas in it , Supra is abit faster , but possibly something was wrong with the z
Paid 44,240 for my Z it's a great car!
That is Supra 2.0 money, Z is very affordable if you compare it to Civic Type R and Corolla GR and such.
@@yume8380 Or even older Zs. Adjusted for inflation they are priced accordingly especially since they come with a twin turbo engine again.
@@yume8380no new Supra costs $44k. 😂
@@yume8380😂 the cheapest used Supra is $55k for a 2023 with 16k miles.
I can get a 2024 Nissan Z with 1800 miles for $39kz I’ll take that $16k and save it. The Supra is NOT worth $55k. It’s a $30k sports car at most.
@@CrimpKeeper Hi, I am talking about the Supra 2.0 4 cylinder that was on the market.
After driving both the Supra was the easy pick. The Z was slower and sloppier. The Nismo at its price is still. An M4 is a better buy, even if the M is slightly used.
I sell Toyota. I drove a Zupra . Took it through a few bends. Great car didn’t do anything special to me. Very good and very artificial to me.
I've driven both too. The nismo is unquestionably slower, but it feels better imo on the road and has better ergonomics surprisingly for someone taller.
@@Themayseffect I didn't think it "felt" better but it is still a fun ride.
@@Sonic_1000 fair enough. I'm basing my opinion off of steering feel and highway driving. Not total grip or other things. So i can understand either way. Maybe it was the supra i drove. But the steering just didn't feel that good to me. Kinda artificial and the steering wheel itself felt less comfortable to hold and turn. These simple things are important to me. Plus in comparison to the z4, the supra just isn't the best option for my height. I fit way better in the z4 in comparison.
The Nismo version of the GT-R and Z have always been a bit overpriced for what you get, they don't even come with all the Nismo parts available for the car.
Much better to buy an hshift Sport since the markups are gone on them, and do the Nismo upgrades in your garage (as well as some SPL and Z1 parts while you're at it), much cheaper and you get an hshift Nismo with the R200 differential.
The problem was the 50% dealership markups. So a 45-50k car cost 65-75k after dealership markup.
I like the way the Nismo Z looks vs the Supra and I like the performance of the new Supra vs Z. If the Nismo was available in a manual I would get one later on.
man this not being in manual is giving deja vu from when the supra first released hopefully sales pick up after prices go down
My hope for this car is it improves every model year like they did with the GTR.
front calipers are NOT the same as perf trim. rear calipers are the same.
I’m curious about the data comparison between the sport and the Nismo most of the other reviews and an owner I spoke to say it accelerates significantly faster than the base model. The owner stated Nismo felt “explosive” where the sport felt like it was being held back. I don’t doubt for a second that the Supra is faster, but something seems fishy about the way the acceleration seemed to fall off after the first straight for the z.
I have yet to see any of these new Z cars in the wild, which is crazy. I do see the occasional Supra.
Okay, first, all cars should be tested for HP and torque figures in the same way and in the same machine. We have a BMW that is tested at the wheels while the Z is providing a claimed hp at the crank. Remember that in the numbers from the BMW, the power loss throughout the powertrain is already effective (torque converter, transmission, differential) while the Z is yet to take all of that into account after the hp number. Then, we have to wonder about fuel quality, tires and weather (temperature affects a lot of variables like adhesión, air density, cooling, aerodinamic drag, etc). So, before jumping to conclusions about the claims and how much better of a car one is over the other, we should at least have the numbers straight from the same dyno using the same fuel and have the track tests performed after that on conditions as equal as possible
Yup I'm definitely keeping my 370Z
LOL! Poor guy thinks he's harboring a Ferrari.
Keeping my 370 too. It looks better and it is paid for.
Is this not an at the wheel vs. At the crank hp rating comparison? At the wheel being the BMW and at the crank being the Z?
S550 mustangs with decent tires are about 1:18-1:19 so the z performs about the same as most modern sports cars with this special trim.
Nice video!! I'll make sure I get CRC next time and not that other cheap stuff.
Gearing?
The brake calipers are NOT the same on the NISMO, also you're saying that the bmw makes 301 to the wheels, but you comparing it to the Zs 420 to the crank. In reality the power numbers are much closer than you're making it seem
The advanced timing of the Z Nismo is only active while it's in sport + mode and it's very dependent on octane too. A Z Nismo not on 93 and not in sport + isnt making more real world power than a performance
Blah blah still slower than bmw Supra case closed 😂
@@bman1668but faster than a BMW M2
@@mobilesolutions4u444 what nismo z? Hell nah you tripping m2 is faster than Supra and Supra faster than nismo z the heck you get your info from 🤣
I'm tired of people still keep calling the Mk5 Supra a BMW joke even tho it's 2024 now and it's been 5 years since 2019, Toyota made the B58 more reliable and BMW made the interior better. Win-win for me.
Why does no one call GR86 a Subaru, Lotus cars a Toyota since it has Toyota engine, and Mk4 Supra a Yamaha? 2JZ was made in collab with Yamaha. Car companies working together is normal.
The z over the bmw supra all day
I love these cars, but they are so overpriced. These are only moving with deep dealer discounts and then the depreciation has been brutal. People who paid 56k for a Performance just a year ago are struggling to sell them at 40k with barely any miles on them. There are many sub 60k Nismos available that havent moved in months. Im worried Nissan axes the Z in a year or two, especially with the economy being in the toilet.
It's such a historic nameplate, and the NISMO really gets so many things right. We'd just love to live in a world where the numbers on this car add up and there's another worthy market and track competitor to cars like the Supra and Cayman.
Don’t understand why you are comparing 301 wheel hp, to 420 crank hp.,.. ?
Its simple, if your gonna make the nismo an automatic than it should have had a DCT
DCT would be our first pick. Close second would be a modern auto with a more appropriate shift strategy, especially at high rpm. The ZF 8HP in the Supra and M2 is fantastic. Probably as close as you'll get to DCT control in a torque converter automatic. Why not just go with an off-the-shelf known quantity like that?
@@Grassrootsmotorsports i agree and that's where they dropped the ball
The supra is SO much better than this car, youre getting more power, better handling, more sporty overall, more tech overall, more luxury interior, its just SO MUCH better for the same price.
If the Z was as good as the supra, not even better but just as good id have gotten that over my supra, but i chose supra because its so much better in every category. I could not be happier.
I died a little when the new 400z in the non nismo form was slower than a gr86 and brz and other cars costing less. I was a nissan/infinti master tech... I don't know what NIssan is thinking but they have really gone downhill....
The nissan z also weighs 300lbs heavier 3400lbs vs 3700lbs.
Wanna know what's faster than both? My 800HP Turbo K24 1990 Honda CRX.
No one cares about your clapped out tin can.
Answering the question in the title without watching the video: NO
I love the Z car but I really want grassroots content
I think you should put the z on a dyno
365 whp
Looks like the Z was pulling power . Y’all use the same gas
Only very few people wants the look of the 1970s z. Nissan did the stupid thing by making it look like it. They should have just release a totally brand new one, and not trying to make it look like the old old ones.
If it could take down the supra it'd outsell the supra.
Z is still a bit too heavy and soft and the automatic trans lets it down.
Not many complaints about the auto from us, except for the soft shifts near redline. It reacts quickly and predictably to the paddles, and feels like there's very little if any torque lost through the converter. A true DCT would probably be better, but this one is in a league close to (but slightly below) the BMW/Supra ZF8HP
@@Grassrootsmotorsports interesting. So then Nissan is either lying about the power bump or maybe the thing really is just too heavy. 300lbs heavier than the Supra😖.
the gearing on the z is off
It's not named Supra for nothing
It's not a Supra. BMW Z4. Get it right 😂😂😂
these cars all come detuned. you need a proper tune and its a new car
Slower while making "420" herspers and a factory brake pad upgrade on 200treadwear tires. 😅😅😅😅😅
80k Canadian..c’mon 😂
Back a few years ago when I was running a C-6 in AutoX you guys were doing some really good serious content. Now meh!
You are completely trash talking a car with wrong specs. You have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not going to waist time telling it all. Others have already done so in the comments. Giving false reviews can be bad for business. I will not be watching any more of your videos. Definately will not be subbing. lol.
The fact that you keep calling it the Z Nismo made me stop watching. Just call it the Nismo Z like a normal person
Take it up with Nissan's marketing department. Z Nismo is the official name of the car. I agree that it's awkward as hell, and there are a whole bunch of takes we redid of me saying Nismo Z because that just flows off the tongue better. But we wanted to be accurate, and sometimes accurate is awkward.
It's a bit disingenuous to keep talking about how much more power the z makes compared to the bmw you guys mention. The z does not make 420hp (people have dyno'd it at about 360hp) to the wheels and probably is only marginally powered compared to the bmw. Not too mention the bmw extreme tires are probably actually better than the factory Z tires. So what if the bmw makes less power. The cars are pretty even... Maybe outside of cost lol. Which is where the z falls flat on its face. Yes... it's over priced.
“Rated horsepower”
360whp is just over 420 to the crank.
That's the point they're trying to make though. They're showing us that the horsepower rating doesn't match what Nissan is claiming when compared to another RWD turbo 6 cylinder car which weighs about the same with a much lower claimed horsepower rating. It's not disingenuous, they're showing us their work rather than making unsubstantiated claims
@@Alexkcaruso wheel horsepower and crank are two very different numbers.
Our point was that the Nissan should have a roughly 90hp advantage on the BMW, with similar curb weights, but they're a near dead heat in acceleration. The Z is definitely letting all its claimed horses out of the corral.
@@Grassrootsmotorsports you guys openly compared claimed horsepower versus real world whp. It's purely disingenuous. There's no other way to put it. It's an odd argument. You are comparing a modded car versus a stock car. It's silly.
Curb damage at 3:25😢lol