Subaru BRZ tS Track Review with Data | Grassroots Motorsports
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- The new Subaru BRZ tS comes with features that make it better equipped for the track than its other trim levels. Find out how much of a difference they made as our test driver J.G. Pasterjak took one around the Grassroots Motorsports official test track, the Florida International Rally & Motorsport Park (FIRM).
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Excellent review with a proper analysis! Can’t wait to receive my 2024 BRZ tS!
Good choice!
Great analysis! Always love these videos. Actually seeing the statistical improvement of the brake kit is awesome.
like the graphs and analysis - especially when it confirms my conformation bias, lol. The tS is 5K more than I paid for my 22 Limited, maybe worth it, but maybe not!
Awesome result considering the price differential.
I would guess it's a combination of the BRZ being lighter weight, slightly under-rated at about 240 hp, and N/A. Fun track cars!
Show us the new 2024 Hyundai Elantra N with the DCT PLEASE!!
Great video. If I get one it will be for the dampers and perhaps despite the brakes and tires. Thanks for posting!
The Brembo kit is a definite upgrade. Yes you could make these upgrades to a base model BRZ for about the same money as the tS price bump, but the tS gives you the ability to roll those upgrades into your payment if you're financing, and also provides warranty coverage.
Tires are same as premium trim. Michelin pilot sport 4. Nothing special here. Sorry to say there's some misinformation here
@@Grassrootsmotorsports No question there! My point is simply I wonder how much of the lap time comes from those brakes and how much comes from suspension. As someone else noted the tires can be had without the rest since launch, I believe. Personally most interested in the dampers not the brakes as I’m not going for lap times.
@@maximus9401 My first thought too!
Iff you want to get a decent impression of the shock quality on any of our test cars, look at the speed trace right around the 4000ft mark. You'll see a progressive deceleration, a short steady state plateau, then another deceleration. The flatness of that plateau is a good indicator of shock compliance as the car traverses the "esses" at the FIRM. Basically I take ALL the curb there, and a good set of shocks will allow a steady speed with the minor lateral transitions, while a less-controlled chassis will show some deceleration through those bumpy transitions. So, yeah, great shock response on this one.
Safe to say some better/wider tires and more negative camber would put it fairly even with the CTR. Impressive considering how aggressive the CTR tire setup is stock.
Yeah tires and alignment would certainly close the gap to the CTR... until you threw some camber and tires at the Honda :)
Still, for a car that, on paper anyway, shouldn't be running as close to that Civic as it is, the tS really seems to be more than the sum of its parts. Definitely a step up from the base model.
I run a 22 BRZ at FIRM a couple times a year. 17x9 with 245 Conti Force, AP BBK, Racecomp Engineering T0 (non-adjustable KWv3s with 6kg/mm springs), 3.25deg front, 2.5deg rear camber. Personal best is a 1:20.1. Probably a second on the table if you went to RE71R. I’m an OK driver but probably another second on the table with a hotshoe driver.
@@thanecaithness8268Yeah they seem to respond well to just a few simple mods like that. It's probably still perfectly comfortable on the road as well.
With these new Hitachi dampers is the camber adjustable? More so or same as the lesser strut cars?
Did you notice a difference with the Hitachi front dampers? Also, FWIW, I was surprised that this ground up dedicated sports car's pedal box feel compromised. At least from siting in it at an autoshow, I found the brake pedal just too far for "rocking" my foot for heel/toe, and there's no room on the right side of the gas pedal for a full heel swing out style of heel/toe shifting. (side note: I found the WRX tS recaro seats a smidge more comfy than those in the BRZ)
pedal spacers exist for the BRZ to move it closer to the brake pedal. Never had an issue with that personally, always felt the subaru pedals were the easiest to work out of the cars ive had.
JG, were the nannies fully defeatable?
I've heard they aren't with 2024 BRZ because they have eyesight.
With everything off there was no discernible intervention. I also usually try and do something particularly stupid to see if I can trigger it, and it seemed to want to let me get as dumb as I wanted.
I own a 2024 tS and the Eyesight "nannies" are really only Lane Departure Warning and Pre-collision Braking. The Lane Departure can be turned off and stays off, and the Braking can be turned off but will re-enable itself after turning the car off.
Love it! But the engines still have horrible oiling issues. I would love to see Toyota stuff that 1.6t engine into the next gen GR86. I would probably buy one then.
Subaru: oh the engine is oil starving? Better throw some new brakes and suspension at it!
😂😂😢😢
You guys know that the tS has the same tires as the limited right? Tires aren't upgraded here. Please do research before making these reviews
Limited and tS on 18s with summer rubber. Premium ships on 17s with all season rubber.
you can absolutely match, nay, improve over those brembo's for 2600 bucks. and the wheels and tires are the same as the Limited model. or if you look at a base model at 29k, you can get better brakes, suspension, and wheels and tires to get to the 36k price of the tS.
You ca get a set of six piston Wildwood fronts and rotors for about $2100-2200. Four piston upgrades are out there for a bit less. Careful shopping can probably beat that a bit more. Buuuuuut... Being able to roll those upgrades into your loan, and to have them covered under your OEM warranty is a big deal for a lot of buyers and shouldn't be overlooked. I mean probably the smartest ting to do is to buy the tS, sell the wheels and tires and use that money to buy two sets of street/track wheels. :)
@@Grassrootsmotorsports yeah, but warranty will only cover you if there’s a public outcry… that already happened for this car, unlikely it’ll happen again. Plus there’s still the low oil pressure on right turns issue…
I have a 2022. Some of the hardest track and street miles anyone can imagine. The "problem" is the most ridiculously overblown internet BS I have ever seen. What kind of moron buys the cheapest sports car on the market and expects it to be a purebred track weapon race car...? Throw an oil cooler on there. Step up to 5w30 oil and add an extra quart. "Problem" solved. Y'all act like nobody has ever raced cars before.
Your experience is one data point. These cars are blowing up left and right. Maybe you’re not driving as hard as you think you are, or maybe the tracks you drive at don’t induce oil starvation, or maybe you are on low grip tires. You definitely do not have the authority to apply your personal experience to everyone else.
There is convincing data from multiple sources (not anecdotes like your comment) to suggest the car oil starves in certain types of corners. An oil cooler and thicker oil might be a good idea but will not fix that problem. An overfill helps but is far from a perfect solution.
This is a design flaw that is not present in other cars in this price range, including the Miata (which has some easily addressable cooling issues) and Elantra N (track ready 100% stock). It does not have a fix unless you’re willing to blow $$$ on barely tested aftermarket parts, potentially add a lot of complexity, and throw away your warranty.
2018 ts >
40k OTD econo car hard pass! Oh yea dont take right turns lol keep it on the streets
Not an issue bud. Just add a bit more oil if u go to the track.
@@churchofbrap876 probably should overfill even if you do any hard turns on autocross or mountain driving. I've seen people blow there's on there.
@@churchofbrap876 thats not what i have seem at the track buddy maybe if ur a poser that just takes it to the starbucks every morning then i can it being ok..
@@LoveLikeaHurricane dido..
@@gigi9467 if this is such a huge problem, where are the Subaru and Toyota recalls for it?
Value? Lol
Can't afford one can you?
@@churchofbrap876 i can, but i decided to buy a reliable
Sport car.. miata is always the answer
Baby lol
@@churchofbrap876 dont turn left lol keep posing at the starbucks.