Considering you included the Ram (which is not a sherman) into the tier list you should've included the M10 wolverine, and the M36/M36B2 since unlike the Ram they use the Sherman chassis (the Ram uses the M3 Lee/Grant chassis)...
@@ObjectPe-iirc, it was based on the Lee but made by Australia (or Canada) as an interim equivalent while the M4 was being produced, so its designation is that of a Sherman cause it basically was their version of a Sherman. I can’t remember all the details cause I rarely grind America’s tech tree though
@@ObjectPe-it wasn't. It was called Infantry tank Ram. The Ram is the Canadian take on upgrading the M3 into better standards. But it would be wwird for a Sherman looking tank to be not called Sherman. And since the USA Shermans are called by their designation they just followed the norm
@ObjectPe- the M4A5 has dubious historical precedent as it was supposedly the name the US assigned in on trials, the Canadian name was Tank, Cruiser Ram Mk II
The ikea sherman's hull machinegunner is actually an assistant driver. All sherman hull machinegunners are assistant drivers, manning the machinegun is just a secondary role. But gaijin is affraid of the term "assistant driver", and they name every "other" crewman a machinegunner
Ye but gameplay wise they're absolutely useless and just there as either meatshield or backup crew Oh shit, if gaijin sees this then they might make it that when you lose one, there will be a delay of 1 second from pressing the keyboard to the tanks actually turn😮
Fun fact: The M4A2 series was primarily used by the US Marines because it uses a unique diesel engine, which is useful since they largely cooperated with the Navy which used oil and diesel to fuel their ships. In fact, the Marines were extremely adamant in giving up their M4A2s when transitioning to the "Easy Eight" M4A3E8 at the war's end. This diesel engine also probably explains why the M4A2 is the only Sherman found in the Soviet Tech tree, due to Soviet tanks being based around diesel engines.
The army saw M4A2s expifically as an export variant of the Sherman. Due to this, the US army never used the M4A2 in Europe, while the UK and USSR made extensive use of it.
Well soviets didn't rely on diesel tanks only. T-40 (and all that 38's and etc) T-60 and T-70 light tanks and also first series T-34 and KV's and lots of others used petrol engines. TBH I didn't get why at the end M-17 t was swapped out with V2 diesel engine (because said diesel was heavier, more expensive to produce and wasn't better in any aspect and relied on GERMANS fuel system by Bosch which became a huge headache during the war.
@@teolynx3805I think its because they specifically wanted a diesel engine as diesel fuel is harder to ignite, improving the tanks survivability when hit.
@@RainShadow-yi3xr it's harder to ignite with open flames but when fuel tanks hit with AP or even API shell there's no difference between diesel and gas they both ignite well in such condition. And diesel fuel is harder to extinguish.
Super nitpicky note about the German Sherman - It has only been on sale a few times, closer to about once every three years. It was last for sale during the 10th anniversary in 2022, the German Unity Day celebration in 2020, the 5th anniversary in 2017 and the pre-order for ground forces in 2014.
Fun fact-console players get the ability to have it on sale for the whole month for $60 with no cap on how many will be available so at the end of December you could still buy it
I know I'm a bit late, but just to add more salt. Gaijin loves to sell it in limited quantities, all released on a single global time. Best hope you aren't at work or sleeping when they release it.
Here is a list of timestamps: 0:25 Skink 1:25 M4 Tipo IC 2:17 Sherman VC 3:05 M4A1 (75) 3:49 M-51 6:25 Sherman Firefly & Polish version 7:54 M4A2 (76) W 8:58 M4A4 (SA50) 10:28 WT mobile M4 10:48 M4 Hybrid (Italy) 11:11 M4A4(s) 11:53 M4 12:19 Sherman III/IV (Sweden) 13:26 German Sherman 14:40 M4A2 15:19 M4A3E2 16:40 M4A3E8/M4A3 (76) W | Should be in S tier. How dare you Zoltan 17:12 Calliope 18:59 M4A1 19:59 M4A3E2 (76) W 21:20 Honorable mentions 22:18 M4A1 (FL10) 23:16 M4A1 (76) W 24:33 M4A3 (105)
It's just a minor inconvienience but when he says that the M4A1 (76) W is the first moist tank in the list, when the M4A1 (75) W is also most. So it should be the M4A1 (75) W not M4A1 (75).
I have the german sherman. I picked up both packs back in the day. My friends called me mad, but there was a idea behind the madness. Gajin allowed it into sim battles.... I played hundreds of matchs in sim in it, back where other nations other than allies, didnt have them. I got to fool sooo many people it was hilarious. I died more to friendlys that just had muscle memory to shoot rather than actual enemy players. It was really good times and a fond memories of mine.
I'd also toss the T14 into special mentions. While technically it is its own separate thing it really is just a wide sherman, and it plays like a lower BR Jumbo.
My favourite sherman is the Sherman firefly, that tank just has done me well. It keeps on kicking and doesn't complain. It takes out tiger H1's without too much of a kurfaffle and is actually one of the more pleasant gun platforms at that BR e.g. Avenger and Comet (bastards). Overall one of my most pleasant sherman experiences. 5.3 Jumbo was also my favourite thing to play for a while before it got moved up in BR, but jokes on gaijin, I was already playing it in my USA 5.7 lineup, and I STILL LOVE IT. It was the first tank I could play that could shrug off some of the german firepower and boy did I milk that thing for all it's worth, to this day it's still my most played tank.
I guess it’s just a matter of bias to how well we do in the vehicles, really. I mean I DESPISE the Firefly because it just can’t do the one job it was made to do (destroy tanks) at 4.7. It’s, in my opinion, one of the only vehicles that I will spawn in, immediately think ‘why did I waste spawn points on this?’ and then I will be guaranteed to not have fun.
@@cyberdroid2300 Surprisingly, the Sherman II always seems to give me some luck, even in a full uptier. I have no idea why lmao, it’s not like I’m good in it or understand how to use it properly, I just seem to do well with it.
@@Deceit-hx7ey Nah, it genuinely has always been slightly worse br for br. The 75 is better at 3.3. than the 76 was at 4.7, and the armour is obviously better lower down.
@@Mystic-Midnight It's meaningless at 4.7. At 3.3. it isn't. It's unreliable, yes, but it can bounce off panicked shots from weak gunned enemies. And that's really all you need when you have a stabiliser and the enemy does not.
the italian VC APDS is very useful in uptiers as it can pen panthers and jumbos through the hull which the shot mk8 cannot do, rarely a one shot but if you aim on the right you'll always get gunner/driver and can finish it in a second shot
IMO the Tipo IC and VC are actually fairly decent as someone who's played them a lot as an italian main, although tbf they're the only fireflies I've played, but from what I can tell they aren't any less mobile than the equivalent IC and VC fireflies in any other tree the IC feels decently more mobile than the VC to me, being 4 or 5 tons less iirc, and at that BR cast hull or not you aren't stopping pretty much anything, so it really only makes a difference against autocannons. It also trades out the ammo rack in the hull next to the driver back for extra crew member, so it's back up to 5 crew rather than the 4 fireflies normally have, so it's actually MORE survivable in my experience Meanwhile the VC trades a bit of mobility, the extra crew member, and .3 BR, for the APDS, which is nice to have as a backup in case you run into anything really heavy or get uptiered, and tbh I find it can still do decent when used at 6.3 due to the sabot
I disagree on the Skink, Yes, it's completely overtiered (and went up even further recently), but it's one of the only SPAA that is able to survive most strafing runs. Granted, it's not the best SPAA, but far from the worst. Also, its hull MG actually works, which should put it in S tier regardless of anything else.
Late reply, but as a cas shitter skinks are some of the most annoying to fight. Most aa (unless they're a good aa main) aren't too hard to take out with hvar splash from range or strafing when they're distracted. Skink denies both of those though, and if they position properly (not in spawn) they can shut off a decent chunk of the map.
as a german main i love playing shermans , especially early ones because the armour is pretty good and you dont have to constantly think about angleing (ofc i know the sherman front armour is even better at a slight angle) my favourite sherman is the 105 sherman perfect counter to what i usually play.
@@AlRizz187 Play style wont change shit whether you get 1 shot or not. Generally speaking tanks such as the marder 2h with the russian 76 mm is gonna go through and one shot you. Same with any tank that uses APHE rounds that are either 75 mm or above.
@@wagonfixin Having increased vitality in the Shermans does (eventually) start making the crew survive much more bullshit, if nothing else, the driver and radio operator (so the tank can limp at the very least).
The M4 IC is one of the best shermans IMO. I got my first nuke in it, in a lineup 2.0 BR's higher than its own. The gun can obliterate most enemies and makes short work of even the German big cats, and the armor is good enough to bounce weaker shots and not to mention, in case of penetration it's more survivable. On top of that, it has the better transmission casing and the armor is 63mm instead 51mm like on the Vc. It's also 4 tons lighter than the Vc and is shorter, allowing for better mobility. On the Vc, frontally there are more weakspots and it's much longer so it's easier to hit, aswell as the Ic having the cast hull front go around making a part of the side stronger, means the Ic *is* harder to penetrate. The Vc also doesn't offer the applique armor on the side. My K/D with it is about 2, which is pretty good, especially compared to the majority of my vehicles, with most hovering at about 1. The ONLY thing better in the Vc really is the APDS. Otherwise it's just worse in every way.
I actually got the Captured M4 Sherman when Gaijin made it briefly available to buy on the console stores, extremely fun machine and occasionally in realistic and sim battles when nobody is paying attention you find yourself in hilariously situations like when enemy Shermans think you're one of them
@@FifingFossil yea i duno how yo spec to cqb with all the shermnas i now the jumbos but those are apart if you want me to go full🤓 about how should a tank design for infatery suport be play in a game that is tank on tank And i can go even deper if the projectiles work as irl its another level of 🤓
What i love about the Tipo is that it does have the rolled homogenous armor of the other shermans, the front plate was cut off and replaced with the cast sherman hull and you can see the welds on the sides of the vehicle. I think it's just funny seeing it.
Probably because I played it before solid shot got nerfed, but I loved the firefly, I found it to be the perfect balance of mobility, armour and firepower at its BR. Now it’s likely to be facing Panthers and Tigers more often it might struggle
i don't think that the 105 is the king anymore.. now with it moving up to 3.0 it gets uptierd to 3.7 a bit to much, where it becomes very meh, also using the gun is quite tricky at times because of the traverse but also because of the shells it fires, the HE and HEAT are not one shot killers on just about any medium or heavy tank and with the long reload that will get you killed quite often. Still great tho, insane armor for the br and great speed and manouverability (for beeing bacicly a heavy at 3.0)
My favourite Sherman is the Trzyniec. It's the first tank I ace crewed. (The second being the tech tree firefly.) Can pen anything it faces frontally with the exception of maybe jagdpanzers. An Absolute monster with the turret traverse and reload speed.
I have the german sherman and I must say this tank is a lot of fun :D! Having the german 7,5 cm guns on YOUR side ( mostly ) makes the game way better ;D
I can understand it, low Br HEAT is so hit or miss, quite literally. Like you'll hit a lamp bracket on the enemy tank and suddenly the whole round has disappeared into the shadow realm. Couple that with a long reload, and terrible suspension that takes ages to stop the tank from rocking, you'd expect it to be a sniping tank. But the gun has really bad ballistics and the round will detonate on a random bush or fencepost. The only really good thing about it is the mantlet.
@Deuce_and_a_half The heat can comfortably 1-2 shot every tank it meets The ballistics? It's round is comparable in speed to an IS2 Survivability? Played hull down, you'll always survive getting shot at and the depression is quite good. M51 is easily one of the strongest machines at its BR
The standard American M4A1 can be an absolute beast sometimes. Its mobility makes it great for capping points and street slugging, but the absolute chef's kiss of this vehicle is its astounding ability to somehow bounce shots that I quite frankly have no idea how it has any rhyme or reason to; despite having the cast hull. Even some of the later war Shermans don't stand up to as much abuse as this fascinating little critter does! Pairing it up with the M24 and a P-47 or F4F for air is genuinely some of the most fun I have had with this game. I know, fun and WarThunder are two words that seldom go together!
the only thing I don’t agree with here is the m4a2s placement, in my opinion its an easy S tier as it performs so well in CQC I’ve even gotten games where I get 15+ kills in one life.
The M51 is really fun to play and the HEAT shells can be a problem sometimes however 400MM of pen at any distance. Decent reload, turret traverse, mobility, and the protection can be ok.
The 3.3 M4A1 is possibly my favorite tank in the game right now, I would maybe place it S tier. It's such a capable tank, and the fact that it can go with the F6F (which just recently got even more powerful) is just brilliant, plus the M5A1 and M4A3(105) can hold their own at that br to fill out the lineup. The 105 used to be super OP and made 2.7 possibly the most fun, but it's still pretty good especially decked out with bumblebee stripes and fun decorations. I haven't played the higher rank USA Shermans as much in recent years but occasionally I do and am pleasantly surprised
my favorate sherman is the m4a4 sa50 because of that penetration and of course i used the m4a4 to research into rank 4 because its so nice for a 3.7 edit: i took it up to 6.7 with the amx 13 and amx m4 before i got the french m26 since it has the same gun as the amx i was able to kill quite a few enemies with it
I love the tier list, although I do disagree with a few of your points. The biggest one being is how you add the FL10 but just a few moments prior say you won’t include things like the M4/T26 because it features another tanks hull.
The Ram tank was built on a very old Sherman chassis. Originally named the Kangaroo, it actually didn’t come standard with a turret. It was an open-top personnel carrier. Used by Canadian ground forces during and even years after wwii.
I always find it questionable when good players play low br As a new player I want to learn the game and not be thrown in a pot with 10 lvl 100s and 4 lvl 5s
First vid I see of this channel. Literally found it 20 minutes ago but that manscaped add. That tank covered in the bush reminding me of me balls. That deserves a sub.
My favorite is the M4A1. I use it on almost all of my lineups. Even on 5.7 with the Jumbo because it's still a good AA. At least for me I usually get 2-3 plane kills.
18:38 if you bounce a shell off the top of the mantle and it hits the rockets and destroys it, it will always explode cuz the game will now think that’s a internal ammo rack
I actually find the M-51 to be more fun in uptiers to the 7.7-8.3 br range cause you get to fight russian IS tanks who think their invincible only to be surprised when something actually pens them.
4:44 its better if you go to settings and disable the adjust while braking thing. at least its down to one bounce, instead of the over adjustment and then re aim
that is crazy how 2 identical Shermans Italian firefly and British are not on the same tier, honestly looking like a skill issue from author as Sherman Firefly is probably one of the best Shermans in the game
Hands down my favorite sherman is the 76 Jumbo, I was never a fan of it's BR increase but whenever I get tired of playing top tier I go down to 6.3 and remind the german mains why the Jumbo is at 6.3. Such a fun tank to play tbh.
It's funny how different the same equipment behaves for different players. Cause I find cast hull Shermans super survivable. So much so that I can regularly bounce panther 75's and tiger 88's. Another example is APDS; I get AMAZING results when they pen
I call the M4A2 the “commando” Sherman with how much kit it’s got, smoke shells and smoke grenades I’ve hidden entire friendly groups in while tricking an enemy bomber to drop a payload into a blank smoke field.
I do wish you had mentioned one of the largest strengths about the Italian and German 4.0 shermans. Being on the axis side of realistic and sim battles, the armor is comparatively much stronger than the allief equivalents. The biggest issue for 4.0 shermans is italian and german long guns so being on the same team as them and only facing far less penetrating American and Russian tanks is an amazing benefit.
Zoltan the apds is basically a secondary munition, like HE, so take a few like 6-8 for those up tiers when you run into heavier armor the Mk.8 might not be able to work against.
the firefly at least for me has always been a monster. i continued using it until 6.7 when it got replaced by the tortoise. the 17 pounder for me has always been reliable even with apds on the Challenger.
Need to do your laundry while defending your house from petty thief's armed with 75mm M2 Tank Cannons? There's a Sherman for that. Need to have the versatility of a Sherman, but also be able to fly? There's a Blackhawk for that.
The VC...Kinda looks like a Firefly (with the little spindly things on the front of the Hull and the radio) and the American 76 long. (The muzzle break and round)
"Quite often, you're playing at the battle rating of the tank, or even in a downtier, just because of the volume of Tiger and Panther players..." _laugh-cries in constant full uptiers facing Leopards and ATGMS pre-SoA_
There is a difference between the cast hull of the OG M4a1 and the rest of the cast hull shermans. The front of the hulls do not have the direct vision ports and they have an increase in thickness. Also cast hulls arent completely bad either. To compensate the reduced protection the hulls were just made thicker to give you the same amount of protection as a welded hull. I personally would love to see the late war M4a1 75 and M4a1 76 hvss for the U.S. tree
I think I might have seen you in a battle I was playing on the D-day map and I remember an M4 Sherman hiding behind the monument it kept popping out and shooting allies and then pulling back and so and that 1 map where you were did you end up getting killed by an SU122?
its genuinely surprising to me how many people dont notice that the M4A1, the A1 76, and the Sherman II all have different armor values / castings and just lump them into being all the same amount of bad which they arent
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zoltan, you forgot the most important part about the M4A3 (105)! THE OBSERVATION TANK CAMO! i swear, it makes the tank better and confuses enemies
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Considering you included the Ram (which is not a sherman) into the tier list you should've included the M10 wolverine, and the M36/M36B2 since unlike the Ram they use the Sherman chassis (the Ram uses the M3 Lee/Grant chassis)...
The reason the Ram doesn't seem shermany is because it isn't. It's based on the M3 Lee (the designation is just missleading)
okay you beat me to it :)
why was it designated M4A5? shouldn’t it be under the M3 name?
@@ObjectPe-iirc, it was based on the Lee but made by Australia (or Canada) as an interim equivalent while the M4 was being produced, so its designation is that of a Sherman cause it basically was their version of a Sherman. I can’t remember all the details cause I rarely grind America’s tech tree though
@@ObjectPe-it wasn't. It was called Infantry tank Ram. The Ram is the Canadian take on upgrading the M3 into better standards. But it would be wwird for a Sherman looking tank to be not called Sherman. And since the USA Shermans are called by their designation they just followed the norm
@ObjectPe- the M4A5 has dubious historical precedent as it was supposedly the name the US assigned in on trials, the Canadian name was Tank, Cruiser Ram Mk II
If you ever feel useless. remember, the TOG 2 has two machine gunners that stare at a wall.
We call them "organic spall liner"
These men are just manning the kitchen, gotta have that 4 course dinner ready.
What happened to the T14
@@dayronsilvar2325it exists
and even when you equip the mg's, they still don't work.
The ikea sherman's hull machinegunner is actually an assistant driver. All sherman hull machinegunners are assistant drivers, manning the machinegun is just a secondary role.
But gaijin is affraid of the term "assistant driver", and they name every "other" crewman a machinegunner
cool fact, thanks
Im always confused why the hull mg just doesnt work, thanks
Ye but gameplay wise they're absolutely useless and just there as either meatshield or backup crew
Oh shit, if gaijin sees this then they might make it that when you lose one, there will be a delay of 1 second from pressing the keyboard to the tanks actually turn😮
@@Unknown_Comrade_ i think they largely removed their use from most tanks
@@sparkling925 But why
Fun fact: Every nation in war thunder has at least one version of sherman. It's the only vehicle to do so.
wait... japan has a sherman!? wicked.
I don't think Germany gets a Sherman, at least I've never seen one in the tech tree or premium line.
@@100titaniclover4it has an old event, collector sherman
@@100titaniclover4It’s literally in the video
@100titaniclover4 the first German tank premium, granting access to ground beta, was an m4a2
They bring it back as a 60$ pack sometimes
Fun fact: The M4A2 series was primarily used by the US Marines because it uses a unique diesel engine, which is useful since they largely cooperated with the Navy which used oil and diesel to fuel their ships. In fact, the Marines were extremely adamant in giving up their M4A2s when transitioning to the "Easy Eight" M4A3E8 at the war's end.
This diesel engine also probably explains why the M4A2 is the only Sherman found in the Soviet Tech tree, due to Soviet tanks being based around diesel engines.
The army saw M4A2s expifically as an export variant of the Sherman. Due to this, the US army never used the M4A2 in Europe, while the UK and USSR made extensive use of it.
Well soviets didn't rely on diesel tanks only. T-40 (and all that 38's and etc) T-60 and T-70 light tanks and also first series T-34 and KV's and lots of others used petrol engines.
TBH I didn't get why at the end M-17 t was swapped out with V2 diesel engine (because said diesel was heavier, more expensive to produce and wasn't better in any aspect and relied on GERMANS fuel system by Bosch which became a huge headache during the war.
@@teolynx3805I think its because they specifically wanted a diesel engine as diesel fuel is harder to ignite, improving the tanks survivability when hit.
@@RainShadow-yi3xr it's harder to ignite with open flames but when fuel tanks hit with AP or even API shell there's no difference between diesel and gas they both ignite well in such condition.
And diesel fuel is harder to extinguish.
Super nitpicky note about the German Sherman - It has only been on sale a few times, closer to about once every three years. It was last for sale during the 10th anniversary in 2022, the German Unity Day celebration in 2020, the 5th anniversary in 2017 and the pre-order for ground forces in 2014.
Fun fact-console players get the ability to have it on sale for the whole month for $60 with no cap on how many will be available so at the end of December you could still buy it
It was also the only M4A2 until recently that had the smoke grenade mortars, I forget when the American M4A2 ended up getting its smoke grenades added
I know I'm a bit late, but just to add more salt. Gaijin loves to sell it in limited quantities, all released on a single global time. Best hope you aren't at work or sleeping when they release it.
Here is a list of timestamps:
0:25 Skink
1:25 M4 Tipo IC
2:17 Sherman VC
3:05 M4A1 (75)
3:49 M-51
6:25 Sherman Firefly & Polish version
7:54 M4A2 (76) W
8:58 M4A4 (SA50)
10:28 WT mobile M4
10:48 M4 Hybrid (Italy)
11:11 M4A4(s)
11:53 M4
12:19 Sherman III/IV (Sweden)
13:26 German Sherman
14:40 M4A2
15:19 M4A3E2
16:40 M4A3E8/M4A3 (76) W | Should be in S tier. How dare you Zoltan
17:12 Calliope
18:59 M4A1
19:59 M4A3E2 (76) W
21:20 Honorable mentions
22:18 M4A1 (FL10)
23:16 M4A1 (76) W
24:33 M4A3 (105)
King shit
The m4a1 and m4a3 76 only differ by hull iirc
It's just a minor inconvienience but when he says that the M4A1 (76) W is the first moist tank in the list, when the M4A1 (75) W is also most. So it should be the M4A1 (75) W not M4A1 (75).
jumbo 76 should not be in S tier with its br placement
I have the german sherman. I picked up both packs back in the day. My friends called me mad, but there was a idea behind the madness. Gajin allowed it into sim battles....
I played hundreds of matchs in sim in it, back where other nations other than allies, didnt have them. I got to fool sooo many people it was hilarious. I died more to friendlys that just had muscle memory to shoot rather than actual enemy players. It was really good times and a fond memories of mine.
I'd also toss the T14 into special mentions. While technically it is its own separate thing it really is just a wide sherman, and it plays like a lower BR Jumbo.
Composite Firefly in F tier!?!?!? I'm flabbergasted. Utterly dumbfounded.
I know right!
He didn't even give it extra points for Sex appeal
My favourite sherman is the Sherman firefly, that tank just has done me well. It keeps on kicking and doesn't complain. It takes out tiger H1's without too much of a kurfaffle and is actually one of the more pleasant gun platforms at that BR e.g. Avenger and Comet (bastards). Overall one of my most pleasant sherman experiences. 5.3 Jumbo was also my favourite thing to play for a while before it got moved up in BR, but jokes on gaijin, I was already playing it in my USA 5.7 lineup, and I STILL LOVE IT. It was the first tank I could play that could shrug off some of the german firepower and boy did I milk that thing for all it's worth, to this day it's still my most played tank.
I guess it’s just a matter of bias to how well we do in the vehicles, really. I mean I DESPISE the Firefly because it just can’t do the one job it was made to do (destroy tanks) at 4.7. It’s, in my opinion, one of the only vehicles that I will spawn in, immediately think ‘why did I waste spawn points on this?’ and then I will be guaranteed to not have fun.
@@funny_joke_goes_here4406 haha, the duality of the warthunder experience. What sherman do you enjoy?
@@funny_joke_goes_here4406that’s because Gaijin made solid shot practically useless, when it was just as good as APHR irl
@@cyberdroid2300 Surprisingly, the Sherman II always seems to give me some luck, even in a full uptier. I have no idea why lmao, it’s not like I’m good in it or understand how to use it properly, I just seem to do well with it.
Same with me. It’s the first tank i was able to actually stop shells from penetrating me
the m4a1 76 W was arguably the best tank in the whole game especially when it was still at 4.7
Nah, it's always been worse than the 75mm equipped M4A1.
@@jojomaster7675such a bait lol
@@Deceit-hx7ey Nah, it genuinely has always been slightly worse br for br. The 75 is better at 3.3. than the 76 was at 4.7, and the armour is obviously better lower down.
@@jojomaster7675it's armor is meaningless with the blister weakspots
@@Mystic-Midnight It's meaningless at 4.7. At 3.3. it isn't. It's unreliable, yes, but it can bounce off panicked shots from weak gunned enemies. And that's really all you need when you have a stabiliser and the enemy does not.
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the italian VC APDS is very useful in uptiers as it can pen panthers and jumbos through the hull which the shot mk8 cannot do, rarely a one shot but if you aim on the right you'll always get gunner/driver and can finish it in a second shot
IMO the Tipo IC and VC are actually fairly decent as someone who's played them a lot as an italian main, although tbf they're the only fireflies I've played, but from what I can tell they aren't any less mobile than the equivalent IC and VC fireflies in any other tree
the IC feels decently more mobile than the VC to me, being 4 or 5 tons less iirc, and at that BR cast hull or not you aren't stopping pretty much anything, so it really only makes a difference against autocannons. It also trades out the ammo rack in the hull next to the driver back for extra crew member, so it's back up to 5 crew rather than the 4 fireflies normally have, so it's actually MORE survivable in my experience
Meanwhile the VC trades a bit of mobility, the extra crew member, and .3 BR, for the APDS, which is nice to have as a backup in case you run into anything really heavy or get uptiered, and tbh I find it can still do decent when used at 6.3 due to the sabot
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I disagree on the Skink, Yes, it's completely overtiered (and went up even further recently), but it's one of the only SPAA that is able to survive most strafing runs. Granted, it's not the best SPAA, but far from the worst. Also, its hull MG actually works, which should put it in S tier regardless of anything else.
Agreed. Skink, when used properly as a AA vehicle, is a fun little thing to play :)
@@Meczyk ironically the skink irl never got to be used for it's intended role lol
Late reply, but as a cas shitter skinks are some of the most annoying to fight. Most aa (unless they're a good aa main) aren't too hard to take out with hvar splash from range or strafing when they're distracted. Skink denies both of those though, and if they position properly (not in spawn) they can shut off a decent chunk of the map.
as a german main i love playing shermans , especially early ones because the armour is pretty good and you dont have to constantly think about angleing (ofc i know the sherman front armour is even better at a slight angle) my favourite sherman is the 105 sherman perfect counter to what i usually play.
You don’t have to think about angling cause everything’s just gonna one shot you anyway 🤣
@wagonracing8538 nope havent been one shot by any tank other than he slingers. You probably havent played it or you play it wrong.
@@AlRizz187 Play style wont change shit whether you get 1 shot or not. Generally speaking tanks such as the marder 2h with the russian 76 mm is gonna go through and one shot you. Same with any tank that uses APHE rounds that are either 75 mm or above.
the sherman 105 is criminally undertiered.
@@wagonfixin Having increased vitality in the Shermans does (eventually) start making the crew survive much more bullshit, if nothing else, the driver and radio operator (so the tank can limp at the very least).
The M4 IC is one of the best shermans IMO. I got my first nuke in it, in a lineup 2.0 BR's higher than its own. The gun can obliterate most enemies and makes short work of even the German big cats, and the armor is good enough to bounce weaker shots and not to mention, in case of penetration it's more survivable. On top of that, it has the better transmission casing and the armor is 63mm instead 51mm like on the Vc. It's also 4 tons lighter than the Vc and is shorter, allowing for better mobility. On the Vc, frontally there are more weakspots and it's much longer so it's easier to hit, aswell as the Ic having the cast hull front go around making a part of the side stronger, means the Ic *is* harder to penetrate. The Vc also doesn't offer the applique armor on the side. My K/D with it is about 2, which is pretty good, especially compared to the majority of my vehicles, with most hovering at about 1. The ONLY thing better in the Vc really is the APDS. Otherwise it's just worse in every way.
The sherman is one of the most tanks of all time
the t 34 57 is the moste tank of all time followed by the t72
I actually got the Captured M4 Sherman when Gaijin made it briefly available to buy on the console stores, extremely fun machine and occasionally in realistic and sim battles when nobody is paying attention you find yourself in hilariously situations like when enemy Shermans think you're one of them
Italian firefly vc is prety good actualy the turret speed and the reload speed make it a monster oviusly is a sherman you never trust your own armor
So just like rest of tree, you snipe
@@FifingFossil yea i duno how yo spec to cqb with all the shermnas i now the jumbos but those are apart if you want me to go full🤓 about how should a tank design for infatery suport be play in a game that is tank on tank
And i can go even deper if the projectiles work as irl its another level of 🤓
@@leonardo-m2524buddy you cannot 🤓 on that kind of spelling and grammar
@@dbio305 yea i cant im mexian i cant write well
The Italian Firefly is built on an Composite M4 so it's IC, not VC
5:20 ANOTHER THING I CAN'T SHOW YOU
A R E M Y B A L L S
My current (RB) kill record is 15 Kills in the 3.3 M4A1, the 50cal and stabilized 75 go though pretty much anything, I would put it in S tier
What i love about the Tipo is that it does have the rolled homogenous armor of the other shermans, the front plate was cut off and replaced with the cast sherman hull and you can see the welds on the sides of the vehicle. I think it's just funny seeing it.
Probably because I played it before solid shot got nerfed, but I loved the firefly, I found it to be the perfect balance of mobility, armour and firepower at its BR. Now it’s likely to be facing Panthers and Tigers more often it might struggle
i don't think that the 105 is the king anymore.. now with it moving up to 3.0 it gets uptierd to 3.7 a bit to much, where it becomes very meh, also using the gun is quite tricky at times because of the traverse but also because of the shells it fires, the HE and HEAT are not one shot killers on just about any medium or heavy tank and with the long reload that will get you killed quite often. Still great tho, insane armor for the br and great speed and manouverability (for beeing bacicly a heavy at 3.0)
I find using it like you would a M10 it works rather well.
My favourite Sherman is the Trzyniec. It's the first tank I ace crewed. (The second being the tech tree firefly.) Can pen anything it faces frontally with the exception of maybe jagdpanzers. An Absolute monster with the turret traverse and reload speed.
9:17 zoltan just gave him a colonoscopy
I have the german sherman and I must say this tank is a lot of fun :D! Having the german 7,5 cm guns on YOUR side ( mostly ) makes the game way better ;D
Nobody is talking about the advertising, best ad i’ve seen in a while, good combo of comedy and just all around great information. Love it
Just about to say that but that tank with the bushes joke was funny af
M4A5 was just an american nameing system for Ram which is based on Grant tank which is M3 Lee
20:00 the jumbo 76 i have been very recently getting up-tiered to 7.0 and sometimes 7.3 it's to the point where I refuse to play it now
M51 being so low is CRIMINAL
I can understand it, low Br HEAT is so hit or miss, quite literally. Like you'll hit a lamp bracket on the enemy tank and suddenly the whole round has disappeared into the shadow realm. Couple that with a long reload, and terrible suspension that takes ages to stop the tank from rocking, you'd expect it to be a sniping tank. But the gun has really bad ballistics and the round will detonate on a random bush or fencepost.
The only really good thing about it is the mantlet.
@Deuce_and_a_half The heat can comfortably 1-2 shot every tank it meets
The ballistics? It's round is comparable in speed to an IS2
Survivability? Played hull down, you'll always survive getting shot at and the depression is quite good.
M51 is easily one of the strongest machines at its BR
This whole tier list is pretty criminal, I'm flabbergasted at 70% of the ranks here even with the patches
@bloomgaming6480 I looked the guy up I think, hes like, below 1 career kd in ground rb
Dude is horrible at the game
The standard American M4A1 can be an absolute beast sometimes. Its mobility makes it great for capping points and street slugging, but the absolute chef's kiss of this vehicle is its astounding ability to somehow bounce shots that I quite frankly have no idea how it has any rhyme or reason to; despite having the cast hull. Even some of the later war Shermans don't stand up to as much abuse as this fascinating little critter does!
Pairing it up with the M24 and a P-47 or F4F for air is genuinely some of the most fun I have had with this game. I know, fun and WarThunder are two words that seldom go together!
the only thing I don’t agree with here is the m4a2s placement, in my opinion its an easy S tier as it performs so well in CQC I’ve even gotten games where I get 15+ kills in one life.
Legit my favourite and most played vehicle of all of War Thunder
“another thing I can’t show you, *MY BALLS* “ has me dead🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Did anybody else notice He said M4a3 76 w when he was meant to say M4a1 76w
6:55 bro fed the snail
BRUH THIS PREMIERS AT 3AM FOR ME 😢
Appears at 1 pm for me, you in different country
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The M51 is really fun to play and the HEAT shells can be a problem sometimes however 400MM of pen at any distance. Decent reload, turret traverse, mobility, and the protection can be ok.
The 3.3 M4A1 is possibly my favorite tank in the game right now, I would maybe place it S tier. It's such a capable tank, and the fact that it can go with the F6F (which just recently got even more powerful) is just brilliant, plus the M5A1 and M4A3(105) can hold their own at that br to fill out the lineup.
The 105 used to be super OP and made 2.7 possibly the most fun, but it's still pretty good especially decked out with bumblebee stripes and fun decorations.
I haven't played the higher rank USA Shermans as much in recent years but occasionally I do and am pleasantly surprised
“They’re an Invasive species.”
- Some guy on Zenturion
my favorate sherman is the m4a4 sa50 because of that penetration and of course i used the m4a4 to research into rank 4 because its so nice for a 3.7
edit: i took it up to 6.7 with the amx 13 and amx m4 before i got the french m26 since it has the same gun as the amx i was able to kill quite a few enemies with it
This is why its so fun using the US tech tree at br 3 to 6.
Have a problem? We have a sherman for that!
I love the tier list, although I do disagree with a few of your points. The biggest one being is how you add the FL10 but just a few moments prior say you won’t include things like the M4/T26 because it features another tanks hull.
Zoltan: Talking about calliope rocket ammo problem.
18:38 - I’d RACK-ommend this tank
The Ram tank was built on a very old Sherman chassis. Originally named the Kangaroo, it actually didn’t come standard with a turret. It was an open-top personnel carrier. Used by Canadian ground forces during and even years after wwii.
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My Sherman: dies from a getting shot in the front by light tank
Enemy Sherman: Survives side shot from my tiger.
I always find it questionable when good players play low br
As a new player I want to learn the game and not be thrown in a pot with 10 lvl 100s and 4 lvl 5s
now dont get me wrong here I find it ok at like br 4 but I sadly see a lot of people in br 1-3 who completely destroy new players
First vid I see of this channel. Literally found it 20 minutes ago but that manscaped add. That tank covered in the bush reminding me of me balls. That deserves a sub.
My favorite is the M4A1. I use it on almost all of my lineups. Even on 5.7 with the Jumbo because it's still a good AA. At least for me I usually get 2-3 plane kills.
18:38 if you bounce a shell off the top of the mantle and it hits the rockets and destroys it, it will always explode cuz the game will now think that’s a internal ammo rack
The M4 105 may be the first Sherman you unlock, but it is sure fun to use (besides the reload time and gun movement)
17:20
That tank is the bane of existence for every Enlisted player who plays Axis Normandy.
I actually find the M-51 to be more fun in uptiers to the 7.7-8.3 br range cause you get to fight russian IS tanks who think their invincible only to be surprised when something actually pens them.
Nice video man!
I think you forgot to add 1 tank that's incredibly good. The T14
The T14 isn’t a Sherman. It’s a totally unrelated development that just happens to look similar since it follows the same design philosophy.
@@bulbusarues I thought it was just a fat Sherman
@@__MihaNya__it’s heavily based on a Sherman
@@bulbusarues It is though. It's just a wider Sherman
@@nerfguy7554 then why was M4A5 added to the list. It only has a Sherman name. That's it
BABE WAKE UP! THE NEW ZOLTAN VIDEO DROPPED!!!
Bro every country got one they all good for br if you know how to use but at tiger tier if you don’t know you will get anihilated
11am here
5:25 it got serious💀
Honorable mention: M8A1 - The baby not-a-Sherman
Just saying, if you take a Sherman cannon and stick it into a light tank... it's kind of a Sherman.
"But annoyingly,the are completely covered up by the trackarmour"
That track armour also makes the IC Firefly into a VC,apparently^^
R3 best all around tanks🤌
Eliminates every Sherman
Can float
Can fly
Speed: YES
4:44 its better if you go to settings and disable the adjust while braking thing. at least its down to one bounce, instead of the over adjustment and then re aim
The skink would be S-tier if it went to the US since it was Americans who wanted it
I love the horrible histories esq advert style. If all ads were done like this I'd be broke. "I'M A SHOUTY MAN"
My favorite Sherman? Impossible decision. They’re all my favorite. The Sherman is the best tank of WW2. There’s no comparison
which sher- do you -man. the title potential was right there mate
No way is the Skink F-Tier, one of my favorite, and one of the most reliable AA in the game.
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WE BALLING IT OUT WITH THIS ONE
23:18 not me being confused why the M4A3 76 W came out twice until I saw the cast hull
that is crazy how 2 identical Shermans Italian firefly and British are not on the same tier, honestly looking like a skill issue from author as Sherman Firefly is probably one of the best Shermans in the game
sir they are not the same
Yeah I agree, as soon as I saw him put the firefly so low I stopped watching.
Skink is amazing. If AA struggles against ground vehicles it doesn't mean that AA is bad.
It's a friking AA after all🙄
Sherman are very fun to play in especially 105 Sherman
Hands down my favorite sherman is the 76 Jumbo, I was never a fan of it's BR increase but whenever I get tired of playing top tier I go down to 6.3 and remind the german mains why the Jumbo is at 6.3. Such a fun tank to play tbh.
15:00 can confirm, a Sheman hull once ate my 128mm AP at center mass
It's funny how different the same equipment behaves for different players. Cause I find cast hull Shermans super survivable. So much so that I can regularly bounce panther 75's and tiger 88's. Another example is APDS; I get AMAZING results when they pen
The French M4A1 with an auto loader is an absolute BEAST. I paired it with both EBRs and absolutely run lobbies.
I call the M4A2 the “commando” Sherman with how much kit it’s got, smoke shells and smoke grenades I’ve hidden entire friendly groups in while tricking an enemy bomber to drop a payload into a blank smoke field.
Gaijin dev 1: What tank should we put in this tech tree to make it unique?
Gaining dev 2: A Sherman
What a great game...
I do wish you had mentioned one of the largest strengths about the Italian and German 4.0 shermans. Being on the axis side of realistic and sim battles, the armor is comparatively much stronger than the allief equivalents.
The biggest issue for 4.0 shermans is italian and german long guns so being on the same team as them and only facing far less penetrating American and Russian tanks is an amazing benefit.
Even with recent specials the FL10 isnt widely known either, so it's amazing to surprise lower mid BR players with a fast autoloader.
This is the only War Thunder video that I have seen that actually gives the French compliments besides "AuToLoAdEr At 4.7"
Zoltan the apds is basically a secondary munition, like HE, so take a few like 6-8 for those up tiers when you run into heavier armor the Mk.8 might not be able to work against.
gotta love being a proud owner of Herman the German Sherman from the OG closed Beta
Completely agree with your list! Love the shout-outs to the planes as well
The m4a3 105 was the first Sherman I got and I loved it, it was almost impenetrable from the front
the firefly at least for me has always been a monster. i continued using it until 6.7 when it got replaced by the tortoise. the 17 pounder for me has always been reliable even with apds on the Challenger.
The easy 8 sherman is still.my favorite. Think its the m4a3e8 hvss. That 76 mixed with a stabilizer and upgraded suspension is just a chefs kiss imo
Need to do your laundry while defending your house from petty thief's armed with 75mm M2 Tank Cannons? There's a Sherman for that.
Need to have the versatility of a Sherman, but also be able to fly? There's a Blackhawk for that.
The VC...Kinda looks like a Firefly (with the little spindly things on the front of the Hull and the radio) and the American 76 long. (The muzzle break and round)
"Quite often, you're playing at the battle rating of the tank, or even in a downtier, just because of the volume of Tiger and Panther players..." _laugh-cries in constant full uptiers facing Leopards and ATGMS pre-SoA_
There is a difference between the cast hull of the OG M4a1 and the rest of the cast hull shermans. The front of the hulls do not have the direct vision ports and they have an increase in thickness. Also cast hulls arent completely bad either. To compensate the reduced protection the hulls were just made thicker to give you the same amount of protection as a welded hull. I personally would love to see the late war M4a1 75 and M4a1 76 hvss for the U.S. tree
Gotta love the french jumbo. So much fun.
We need a video like this but t-34s. Nevermind, Gai is the best one
"Do you play Warthunder?"
Me: No.
"We have Sherm-"
Me: Sorry couldn't hear you over me quickly clicking the download button!
I think I might have seen you in a battle I was playing on the D-day map and I remember an M4 Sherman hiding behind the monument it kept popping out and shooting allies and then pulling back and so and that 1 map where you were did you end up getting killed by an SU122?
its genuinely surprising to me how many people dont notice that the M4A1, the A1 76, and the Sherman II all have different armor values / castings and just lump them into being all the same amount of bad which they arent
But the Sherman II is exactly the same as the M4A1 🙂
This man has the best ad transitions I’ve ever seen