There are probably a lot of other shounen manga in which the editors had a strong influence on the story, we might just don't know about. I mean thats their job, to make a manga more appealing to the shounen jump readers. I actually admire Kishimoto for being vocal about the help he got, instead of keeping silent and keeping all the praise for him. At the end of the day though it doesn't really matter though, I'm just happy Naruto exists and i love it 😂
Well Eiichiro Oda was helped by his Editors in a few ways one of his Editors helped Oda make his characters more compelling and likable, one of them had him create the supernova in Sabaody, along with one of them helping create the Warlord and one was the reason he made Ace Roger's son
People seem to forget Yahagi is literally just doing his job as an editor. Even if he did play a major role in Naruto's development as a story through the pitching of ideas Kishimoto still wrote the story
His original idea was also for Naruto to be the reincarnated nine tails, protected/trusted by minato to break to be better. The seal thing was just supposed to help keep that fact hidden. You can tell when kishimoto edited this plotline because after the plotline was thrown away Naruto stopped being a prankster and relying as much on shape shifting (a character trait of a kitsune) This made the neji vs Naruto make no sense(he wanted to prove he could break the cycle/doesn't have to be a monster),made the village seem evil for how they treated Naruto(hating the reincarnation of the monster that killed their loved ones is at least understandable as is the hokage neglecting him), made it so the Akatsuki was after the jinshuriki and not Naruto himself to destroy village's(something Naruto doesn't want to do)and kishimoto still wanted to do the reincarnation plotline(damage control) but the god twist came out of nowhere All the plotlines that would be fixed if that one plotline was left alone is insane.
Right. Lack of world building was one of the the only flaw of Naruto (before the fraud Shippuden I mean). The fact he went for a tournament so early completely threw away the other countries for a really, really, really long time. So long that even when the Tsuchikage, Mizukage and Raikage were presented we couldn't really give a dang about them since there was so long going on in the same time during the 4th war. Arcs about these villages during Naruto's first part should've been mandatory
@@almessasorrow4950 I need to apologize to Kishimoto because I thought he was a shitty writer when he never really got to write the story he wanted and was trying to still write that story even with the editor's intervention
How did we miss out? You wanted him to ruin pacing and get his show cancelled? Do people not understand how easy a shones series is cancelled of it cannot sell the action properly and in a unique way Samurai 8 tried to travel and it got cancelled
@@viyusavery248 samurai 8 and DBS had little to no editor interference, the editor is meant to keep the series on track with the ratings while allowing the writer to subvert expectations/Give the audience exactly what they want in a way they didn't expect, without the editor both series feel random,like there's no plot. Despite Boruto sucking it at least stays on track with the karma plotline. A series like Boruto would have been canceled immediately if not for a editor. The plot of Naruto is about the nine tails(even during Madara vs the alliance, traveling to the sand village or rain village wouldn't be a problem as it does effect the nine tails, but besides that there's no reason for them to explore the other village's.
No work of fiction that is published is often just a one person team. The version you see goes through many iterations and tests. Same happens in animation. Whether it is successful or not, is fortunate. A great story is hard to make, finding an audience is even harder. I am grateful Naruto exists, it really got me into finding a path for my art at a certain point. Even today, the influence is there.
so technically kishimoto is the type to give credit to his editor more than any mangaka . couse what u mentioned is exactly what an editor should do and every mangaka get those services but won't be mentioning their editor like masashi do .
@@Jonathan-tw4xmthat's just your opinion since Kishi seems to be one of a kind when it comes to give his editor credit for the success of his work. Or at least doing it so openly
It depends on the relationship between the author and the editor. Some editors like Kishimoto’s prefer a direct hands on approach where they play an active role in shaping the story, others prefer a more hands off approach where they tell the author “hey this isn’t working” then let the author figure out how to fix it on their own without offering suggestions There’s also the editors personality to consider, some editors are more open and flexible allowing the author to try things that may or may not work, some are dictators that force the author to make the changes they dictate, and some are stern but fair only forcing the author to make the changes imposed by the publisher There’s even the story of the editor who nearly destroyed Shonen Jump and the editor who saved it. Which is the story of how the former head of Shonen Jump, who started out as an editor, rejected the original pitches for some the magazines biggest titles including Dragon Ball and Bleach which were all managed by this one editor who was in charge of finding new talent. This guy really believed in the author’s he discovered and pushed repeatedly to get some of the biggest titles included in Shonen Jump. Bleach was rejected 3 times by the former head of Shonen Jump which resulted in Kubo giving up on manga, but this editor believed in Kubo and didn’t give up on him. Even a year after Kubo’s last attempt when Kubo hadn’t drawn in over 6 months this editor called him up and said “hey I can finally guarantee you a spot in the next issue so get me the latest version of your first chapter”. Kubo himself said if it wasn’t for that editor’s persistence Bleach never would have seen the light of day. This same sentiment has been shared by every author this guy was the editor for because he fought tooth and nail to get their work included I remember hearing that story for the first time and being shocked that the guy in charge not only kept his job but was eventually promoted, while the editor responsible for getting them some of their biggest titles had chosen to remain in the same position
@@TheJjcczz no to be the umm actually guy but there are a lot of holes and weird stuff in you comment about the "editor that almost destroyed jump" for example The jump chief editor was not the same one when dragon ball and bleach got peak up, as both have a 20+ year gap in release, as a matter of fact dragon ball first editor became editor in chief of jump after, he would be the guy that "rejects" bleach if anything, but he also the guy that brought one piece, hunter x hunter, shaman king, naruto and many others, also important to remember, toriyama had given jump 1 successful series and 1 mega hit with dr slump before he even started with dragon ball, he was jump royalty at that point Kubo did almost give up on bleach, but its also important to remember bleach is kubo second serialization in the magazine, first one being zombie powder a short story cancelled fairly early on in its run, most second time authors get a little more scrutiny as they don't get as much leaway as first timers. I'm not praising the editor department in the magazine, its a royal mess, over working authors and asking them to continue to publish stories even when they want to end it but your story looks more urban legend than anything
I think one big reason this question arises is because Kishimoto is very humble guy and gives a lot of credit to his colleagues. But it would be disingenuous to say that Kishimoto did not put a major effort in the creation of the manga and had to be carried through out the process, because let's face it, in the end, it's Naruto, storyboarded and illustrated by Masashi Kishimoto, is the series that stands above most others.
Initially, I disliked the video based on its title, but after watching it, I ended up giving it a thumbs up. The truth is, Kishimoto values giving credit where it's due. While editors suggest ideas and provide criticism, there's a clear distinction between proposing an idea and actually implementing it. As a writer myself, I also work with an editor. Recently, I submitted a chapter, and my editor advised me to rewrite my main character's mother's backstory to make her more miserable. I took charge of shaping the story while considering my editor's feedback. Ultimately, authors decide how to acknowledge their editors, and Kishimoto stood out for being vocal about his, unlike many other mangaka. Being open about this shouldn't be seen as a weakness.
The quote about Kisihimoto finding Naruto’s world view naive and idealistic but opting to stick to it anyway out of his view that shonen manga should reflect hope completely changed the way I looked at the second half of the series and it spoke to me so much. I used to think that Naruto’s perseverance was a reflection of Kishimoto himself and reflected a world view that was simplistic and fueled by blissful ignorance. The fact that it was the point made things mean so much more. It made the spirit of it feel so much more genuine rather than saccharine. It also made me start approaching shows with much more good faith than before, trying to avoid being overly cynical with my interpretations of shows. It is a great quote.
yahagi is a goat editor,he shaped kishimoto so well,nonetheless some of 2 most regarded and appreciated arcs in naruto are the fated battle between brothers and pain arc which he wrote without the help of yahagi,i just think he needed an editor to help him with not overdoing it in the war arc,if yahagi was there in the war arc it wouldve been perfection,yahagi and peak kishimoto wouldve created something really good
@@spriggylotus4476Kaguya is just a small part of the war arc in terms of time she takes up. Even people who like the war arc usually hate Kaguya, there’s no point in mentioning her. I think she’s her own problem unrelated to the war arc as a whole.
It seems like the idea of travelling to other villages is exactly what happens in most of the Naruto movies, so the idea was not completely thrown away, but it would have been very interesting to see the transition from a mission to the Hidden Sand Village into the Konoha Crush arc...🤔 We never really got into much exploration of the different villages, and that would have been nice to see, how the characters would interact and adapt to the different environments; in the first movie, when they travelled to the Land of Snow, all of them wore shoes that covered their toes, Kakashi also wore a scarf, and in the third movie they were all wearing summer attire.
Yahagi is what got Naruto published, and what made sure Part 2 was consistent in it's quality and pacing for as long as he was around. Although I do think the chunin exams were ultimately harmful for the world building of the series in comparison to Kishimoto's original idea, it's clear just how important Yahagi's input was to create the bits of Naruto so many of us fell in love with, as the series didn't really had the strongest set of final story arcs after he left production. Naruto's success was clearly a collaborative effort and I don't think Kishimoto would deny that, as he seems very fond of the people who were part of making that dream come true.
Nah based on how bad Kishimoto at in World building most of the time, which we seen later on post timeskip, it's obvious that Yahagi truly know Kishimoto's strength is, and it's not world building.
Part 2 was inconsistent as everything. It retconned a LOT of part 1. Part 1 might as well not have existed and the anime could have started at the Sasuke Pursuit/Sound Five battle. That's how badly Part 2 dropped the ball.
I think that the Chunin exams were necessary, but I also think Kishimoto had a right idea about wanting to world build, both of the ideas are great and both should have been incorporated into the story. I dont think its a matter of, replace the chunin exams with Naruto Adventures. So I disagree that the Chunin exams were harmful for world building, I mean they brought ninjas from other villages too lol, so we learned that those villages even existed because we saw the characters that came from them. I definitely need to re read Naruto, but I dont think 1 arc means that Naruto's world building shouldve turned out as bad as it did. I think the world couldve been more fleshed out even during Shippuden, it didnt necessarily need to be exactly when the Chunin Exams were, thats just when Kishimoto wanted to do it, and he just apparently couldnt really figure out another way he could expand on the world other than at that specific point in the series.
@@Sizdothyx yes, everything went downhill from shippuden on manga and especially anime. Part two inconsistencies are one of the reasons they made that rubbish called boruto
@GinKaza You can tell from part 2 that kishimoto was terrible at world building. I think the editor made the right choice. The world of Naruto is not fleshed out. And when it attempted to during shippuden, the world just felt goofy and childish. Full of logical flaws. It's a good thing that the series never attempted to flesh this world out completely. The more that it was explained, the more brain rot it became.
@@דמכי11 There are definitely some that I've missed, but I tried to get as many as I could. Full list is in description if you'd like to read them yourself, I cut out a lot of content I didn't think relevant enough/important enough.
@@דמכי11 Thank you! Maybe I'll do an "extended-cut" one day for the most popular authors I cover. I find it a little risky to do hour plus videos due to the difficulty of keeping it entertaining all the way through and many more hours of editing/writing. I envy fulltime UA-camrs lol.
People should understand that a Manga is not a work of single person. it's a multi disciplina team effort. for example One Piece Oda ows a large chunk of his story to his editors. it was originally a 5 years but thanks to the editors. they added The 7 Warlords, the supernovas and other plot keys like shanks losing his arm
Oda added the 7 Warlords, not the editors. If anything, his editors are the ones who help him streamline all the overflowing ideas he wants to add into the story. Like how Punk Hazard was originally meant to be two arcs (an ice island and a fire island) or how Dressrossa and Green Bit were originally two arcs before his editor suggested combining them.
@@TheRockerX Yes Oda (The Mangaka) with his assistant do the drawing. but the strategic planning to make a good compelling story of the lord way is the Editors Job. if you let had do everything by himself. One Piece would be over very very lonh time ago and wouldn't be a Big of Manga as today
@@luc7478Not true. Oda had the overall story of One Piece already planned out since college. However he has the tendency to go off on tangents exploring and expanding on his original ideas and concepts when it’s not necessary. Oda’s editors have been responsible for curtailing this a reminding Oda of when certain things aren’t necessary. If it weren’t for Oda’s editors One Piece would be a lot longer not shorter
@@TheJjcczz what you're saying is delusional, He knows the Start and the Finish, the rest comes in time. there are tons of Interviews supporting my saying. basically He wanted a Gag Funny Manga Abou Luffy going to the Grand line fighting the 4 yonkos, even Shanks losing his Arm at chapter 1 wasn't his idea.
@@TheJjcczz Basically all good Pre TS stuff was his editor choice, even the artstyle was forced on Oda due the editor Now all the editor are basically yesmen and it shows The artsyle is messy at best (a return to the "wanted" time) and the story is ehhhh
Like, what you are describing sounds like a very standard author and editor relationship of Jump. Just watching Bakuman, you can tell this is how the editors are supposed to work. This is the job they paid them to do.
I haven't researched enough Jump mangakas and editors to say this is typical but for the others I've covered, editing styles are kind of personal. FMA's editor seems to be more laissez faire. His changes are usually just adding a "cool factor" and not touching Arakawa's story much. AOT's editor liked to prioritize the outline being thought out which makes sense given the amount of pre-planning that series needs.
this only has 512 views?!?!?! i honestly thought i was watching one of those vids from a year ago with like 5 mil views but wow, congrats man u deserve more views
We lost a lot of potential world building due to that decision, but the Chunin Exams is still a good arc despite basically being like the Hunter exams in Hunter X Hunter.
@@TragicIrina they should've entered the exam after having several missions in different villages. One doesn't throw inexperienced kids in fight to death situations without precautions; Iruka was right about it and Kakashi was so terrible for doing that .
@@Some_guy_passing_by that was training for the Forest of Death. Those kids hadn't learned teamwork yet and that was just as important as the strategy used to get the drop on your enemy. Did you read the manga?
This video deserves more views man UA-cam algorithm better bless this man cause he earned a subscriber from me for sure. Keep doing your best work brother.
I wish the Chunins exams happened a little later in the series. Kishimoto was tryna cook with this. It could have been used to build more relationships with team 7 and with characters outside of the hidden leaf village and to demonstrate the more example of the cycle of hatred, the harshness and corruption in the ninja world. It also could have been a great opportunity to build upon Naruto’s and Sasuke’s friendship and character development. And they could have introduced other Konoha characters like team Asuma to build on Naruto’s and Hinata’s relationship and just to give more interactions between Naruto and Kiba ir something. It really does feel like they went on one mission then bam chunin exams. Oh well. Great video btw.
I think a lot of people forget that originally Kishimoto pitched Naruto as, a kid working at a Ramen shop with a demon fox inside of him.The Shinobi stuff came later..Kishimoto set the foundation but, the studio and Yahagi definitely put in work.
I had no idea how badly I wanted the start of Naruto to be different. Even though the Chuunin Exams were spectacular, hearing about how they were developed really makes me realize how much I hated them on a conceptual level. It's just that the execution was so good that it ended up becoming the gold standard of the series.
From the sound of it i kinda comes to two conclusions which is, 1 the series would have ended early at multiple point if not for Yahagi advice. Having long terms plans for mission in others villages are nice but we at that point haven’t really cared about the leaf so the chunin exam was the better idea. Basically Yahagi knew that extremes needed to be done in order for the series to keep going. The second thing is that it seems Yahagi got tired of arguing with Kishimoto by the sasuke retrieval arc even going so far as to suggest himself leaving Kishimoto. He would fight SJ for idea both he and Kishimoto agree on but wouldn’t fight Kishimoto as much.
From what I'm hearing and the information I'm getting from this video. It sounds more like a collaborative effort from both the creator and editor. It doesn't sound like like Naruto's success comes from a majority 1 person over the other. Masashi Kishimoto sounds like the one making the ideas while his editor is helping Kishimoto structure his stories.
Saw people complaining that the timing of the tournament arc was off, but in my opinion it was the best decision that got us hooked onto Naruto. Creating the backstory of every village would have tired the audiences and perhaps Naruto would have failed.
I really wish Naruto always got that "punk/hardcore/underground" aesthetic it did at the beginning of the series. The whole design of the first characters that appeared was so cool, like a mixture of punk clothes and style and traditional japanese aesthetic, full of gas masks, ragged clothes, spikes everywhere... It felt like a scary world to live in, and everyone felt menacing, the anime osts where full of cool punk rock songs as well. I feel like slowly and slowly Naruto lost his main focus and aesthetic and became more and more and more commercial until we inevitably got to what is Boruto
@@kalidwapur Hm, so this might be a common theme with Kishimoto. Starting things in a very good way, to then descend into low quality. Maybe he should focus more in shorter storys or smaller universes, or maybe purposedly give more focus on the setting rather than the personal life of the characters, which seems to be his strong quality. Q Hayashida with Dorohedoro is a good example of making a good manga focusing more on the aesthetic and the setting around the characters than the personal life of each of them
@@obvv7714 yes and no. early on the manga had a lot more gore than later on in the series, (Orochimaru operating on living people, all the corpses everywhere, that kid that lost his arms in the exam) you coud miss a lot if you don't pay attention. But the later parts showed it more frontal for a while at least. (Kakuzu carrying a corpse around for an entire episode, twice. jiraya's death, kisame killing himself) and the ninja war kinda was brutal in theory. but then again not realy compared to what happend to sakon for example early on. in the end yes it did get softer, and also the anime suffered censorship since episode 1. why? because kids make money! and gore became a sensible topic even in japan.
This is a dumb question in my opinion. I understand that some of the important things in Naruto series was the editor's idea but you can't take credit away from Kishimoto. Having a idea is one thing but developing on that idea and crafting a story is different. Like, even though the idea of Sasuke was from Yahagi but it was Kishimoto who wrote his character, story, his clan's story and his importance to story.
Fair. I attempted to convey the intricacies with the intro. Components like the 'hard to discern' and clarification on what the idiomatic title meant, while still keeping it as short as possible. But I hope most viewers didn't expect to obtain a simple yes or no answer to the extended questions, and can tell it was a team effort.
@@CorvuSphere I have seen a lot of so called "fans" who likes to think that Kishimoto and Kubo are bad and Oda is very good ,Naruto and Bleach is bad than One Piece or Vice-Versa. But they don't seem to understand that each one of these writers are best in their own regards. I personally think Kishimoto is perhaps the best at crafting depth in character like my man made Boruto such a good manga after just few chapters. Kubo is do good at creating variety of characters unlike One Piece where each female character looks same and Oda is so good at remembering characters and using them in the story. He is the best at world-building. The anime community has been degrading day by day by some few attention seekers on social media platforms.
The editors also insisted on making Sakura useless and be a Sasuke simp ( when kishi was already struggling with writing women) and that decision caused so much frustration among the fans . Those scenes of Sakura and Sasuke and heartbroken Naruto really takes away from so much impact those scenes had to offer .
@@HokageOfGotham that's a sensible take. BUT people strongly prefer to find all or most of the attributes in one ongoing epic. You'll never convince those who adore OP that it genuinely isn't a better time reading than the other Big Two. And they aren't above using longevity as to the reason why.
Yahagi was suggesting and recommending. The design, writing , story and everything else was by Kishimoto, he made it work from a simple rec to a fully fleshed out concept
For anyone who has any questions or doubts about War arc, feel free to discuss with me. Here is 1 great Correlation between Madara and Zabuza: Madara and Obito are literally Zabuza and Haku like Zabuza used Haku as tool(same as what Madara did to Obito) but he had heart, he wasn't able to throw his emotion, he wasn't able to become a perfect shinobi, he cried for Haku. but Madara well... That's why were Zabuza won and defeated Gato, Madara became a perfect shinobi, one who is just meant to be used and thrown away(ABSOLUTE PEAKNESS MAN)
Huh? Madara and Zabuza are nothing alike. Madara took orders from nobody, and he wanted to destroy the shinobi system cause he thought it caused pain and despair. Madara was not a soulless tool, he just became heartless to achieve his goals. Those goals were ones involving plenty of emotion though, as you saw with how he shed a tear when Kaguya took him over and said “Hashirama, where did I go wrong?”.
@@DiamonDust no He was being Manipulated by BZ, and what you say, "took order from nobody" he was taking orders from a f**king stone tablet, lol "Kaguya took him over and..." sorry but you're mistaking his REALIZATION for his who he was The Perfect Tool.
@@FangLeng-lh4gn He was completely unaware that he was being led around by BZ… Zabuza did it willingly. How can he be the perfect shinobi tool when he isn’t even being a tool on purpose and was not working as a shinobi in the shinobi system?? He did not take orders from a tablet, his intention was using its knowledge to unlock the Rinnegan and create _his_ ideal world.
@@DiamonDust I think that's what manipulation means, "....on purpose" sorry but that doesn't mean he was being used by BZ as tool, which was written by BZ.
Kishimoto’s seinen aspects of Naruto and how he wanted the story to move is an even more exciting premise than what we have today. It is a shame that the editors always decides how the story goes/ends and not the original creator himself. Truly a shame…We could’ve gotten a great ending too..
I LOVE how after yahagi left we got this damn boruto series (i like boruto no cap, but THEY MADE RINNEGANS SEEM LIKE SOMETHING U CAN FIND ON THE FLOOR)
Kishimoto was there for the Boruto movie at that point Rinnegans don't matter as much or they are something like that. Rinnegna Users: Nagato, Hagoromo, Ten-Tails, Madara, Obito, Sasuke, Black Zetsu. Momoshiki. 4-5 Users of 3 Rinnegan. Boruto users: Urashiki, Shibai, Kara Ten Tails, Certain Claw Grimes, Bug's God Tree, Hidari, Jura, Matsuri. 8 Users of like. 4 Rinnegan (Urashiki counts as 2 as he has his different Rinnegan but also the Golden ones however as he has to eat his eyes and evolve and can't seem to switch when he genetic evolves then he would just lose one so I'm using Peak Rinnegan here). Since the Kara Ten Tails Rinne-Sharingan or Rinnegen with Tomoe would just be split into the other users. It makes sense something powerful that was more late in the series would be more common or surpassed by something happening later.
Rinnegan is still the most powerful dojutsu in the series. Momoshiki had a Rinnegan, Ishikki thought of Sasuke's rinnegan as a nuisance too. Also, all the Shinju that we see have rinnegan due to them being Ten Tails human form. I also think their rinnegan isn't as strong as otsutsuki or Sasuke or Sage of Six Paths Rinnegan. The only issue with the series is the fillers and also lack of focus on OG characters but Naruto also dont focus on side characters much.
@@HokageOfGotham The anime has a bit of Anime Canon and it's not as bad as fillers which are overhated regardless and while I can kinda agree on the lack of OG characters at the same time Shippuden and Part 1 to a degree doesn't even do things that well and for some of these characters trying to do something with them as the story is evolving is near impossible but it's just kinda a sad thing like that you have stories like Chapter's 700+ and Mitsuki's whole thing which aren't heavily attached to the Manga when they could do so much more. When typing out my comment I was kinda shocked that like there isn't even that many Rinnegan we see even though we have the species that effectively it comes from way easier in the series like Kaguya has Rinne-Shar and Hagoromo got the Rinnegan because it was a weaker version. Otsutsuki especially with their parasite like nature and just being born with insane Kekkei Genkai some eyes unseen until now could have way more.
ok TELL ME who are Rinnegan users apart from Momoshiki and the four Shinjuu who came DIRECTLY from Ten Tails, that is the origin of Rinnegan in the first place .....it is also the divine Tree/Ten tails that is the origin of Kaguya's Rinnegan when she consumed the fruit and passed it down to Hagoromo media literacy is dead to all of you fckin idiots
@@zelz3011 I don't know if I was able explain properly or not but I'm not hating Naruto or Boruto. I'm just saying this. People say that Boruto don't focus on OG Naruto characters which I agree but it's similar to how Naruto was. In Naruto too we didn't had much focus on other side characters and I personally feel Boruto is doing good on this over OG Naruto. If you look at it with logical point of view, then Boruto's character till now is more serious and developed than Naruto. He went from brat to more serious guy. Also, the only thing that I want Boruto to do is focus on other villages, other characters more too so that the manga feel well-developed.
much respect for the effort you put in your work, I'm gonna check your other vids i think samurai 8 was a masterpiece but it has a complicated intro so it didn't went viral
Kishimoto became a worse writer after this editor left. Most fans agree Part 1 was better than Shippuden, the Final war arc was terrible, most of the main cast was severely underwritten. It's laughable that Neji's laughably stupid death was meant to bring Hinata and Naruto closer (instead of actual character writing). His follow-up manga Samurai 8 was terrible and got cancelled as a result. Let's not even bring up Boruto
Great video! I dropped naruto years ago when the war strated because i couldn't stand the pacing and filler anymore. I know what happened but i had some resentment for how the series fell so hard. This video made me appreciate the work kishimoto did even before writing natuto(getting rejected multiple times) and how hard it was writing the series itself. It does seem like after the editor left the series went down hill so i guess he really was important. You can see this with one piece as well. After time skip most of the new editors are yes men who grew with the series so it's a mess. Overall great editing on the video and good pacing,looking for more:)
It really focuses itself near the end. People crap on the 10 tail arc but it's become more and more a favor. I don't care much for a chunk of the start of the war arc but I can appreciate the worldbuilding using the rebirth jutsu.
Love this video. I have a suggestion. You should make a separate video explaining the role of editors in Manga industry and give examples of important changes in Manga that were made by the editors. As many like to think that every mangaka has all pre-planned except Kishimoto who just got lucky with good editor.
Great suggestion, thanks! I've been playing around with similar ideas for a while and I think a video like this will ultimately happen. With every new mangaka I cover, I've come to see just how varied editing styles can be.
@@CorvuSphere Yeah you should do it. I have heard many examples of Editor's role like DB editor giving suggestions about Android 16,17 otherwise 18 was going to be the main villain. He also suggested Cell and Complete Cell to Toriyama. Similarly, OP editor suggested to make Ace Roger's son.
It's crazy to me just now learning all this! Especially that this Yahagi left after Sasuke awakened his mangekyou Sharingan, because that's about where I start to fall off with both the anime and manga every time I try to finish it, for like the last 10 years! I LOVE Naruto but I never make it past about the part where Sasuke kills Danzo. I did read the final 3-4 chapters with my best friend after we graduated high school back in 2013 so we could "finish what we started together" but that's it.
UA-cam randomly recommended this video to me, and I added it to my watch later playlist. At first, I hesitated to watch it because I thought it might annoy me by exaggerating Kishimoto's influences in his own story. I'm glad you didn't go that route and instead did thorough research, compiling the information into a well-made video. Many have perpetuated the false narrative that Kishimoto is a fraud who took all his ideas from his editors, and I assumed this video would say the same. I'm glad you explained the relationship between Kishimoto and his editor and taught me many things about the history of my favorite manga that I didn't know. People tend to forget that after his editor came up with many of the iconic ideas, Kishimoto still had to actually, you know, write the whole thing together.
Thanks for giving the video a chance! I know my packaging tends to invoke that kind of reaction, but I think it's helped me reach the people who contemplate the "Kishimoto is a fraud" idea before to hopefully clear up some things
16:27 "by the time Itachi made its debut it was already decided that he would secretly be a good guy" Can you provide the source of that statement? Whether Itachi was retconned, or when, is a big point of discussion. It would be very nice to have official statements confirming that.
Fuji TV Special. This source has no official translation unfortunately, but I've included links to a few independent summaries/transcripts from people with reputations in the community, and the information overlaps & agrees.
Naruto going on missions in other villages would have been so dope. It would have done wonder for the world building. We still don't know shit about most of the villages.
True, but naruto is much more of a better rounded story with a clear start and end. A story like one piece becomes to repetitive with the story just being essentially the group going on to the next island just to see what it has to offer, also with so much of the same plot it suffers from repeated actions. For example the crew go to there next island which is alabasta they see that a villain is not really a villain and is really a girl princess and they realise the main villain is somewhat close to the princess and they help her and they beat the villain and she joins the crew, this is essentially literally repeated with Yamato in wano. I think it would of been a completely different story if naruto would of explored his big world, would it have been well rounded prob not. Do I want to see that knowing Naruto’s greatness yes because I do believe he could of made it good. Finally do I want it to change Naruto’s outcome no.
@@whatis9465 There are similarities between One Piece arcs but the overall story has been progressing steadily. The real story is in the history of the world, specifically the void century, which is heavily tied to the One Piece itself. Oda is essentially tell two stories, Luffy's journey AND the history of the world.
@@sharsasuke01 not to go on a tangent for a different anime this was about Naruto. We can go on and talk about one pieces quality wavering forever just was comparing the biggest animes. Saying how Naruto's was more rounded and less receptive story wise bc it wasn't drawn out with him going everywhere like one piece. That being said of course I would love to see that, especially since the movies were prob the best anime shounen movies out, the squads adventures were always fun when they went out for missions. After looking at it with an outside view since the show is done, im conflicted if I want more, prob a little bit more.
I see their relationship the same way as the main leads of Bakuman are. One didn't carry the other. They both are carrying each other. Like peanut butter and jelly, they compliment one another. Some mangakas works well with a partner in crime, some are solo fighter. One is not better than the other. Just cause they got help from their editors, doesn't discredit the authors. These people be hating and disrespecting, when they're not even close on Kishimoto's level as a writer. Bars...I didn't realise I was rhyming the entire time I was writing this comment lol.
Thank god for Ikemoto drawing Haku as we know, and not as a bear I have heard many times about some characters being drawn by the mangaka assistants, do we have a "list" of which ones had their design created by other artist? I'm just 100% curious rn
As far as claims I could verify/trust go, it's mainly the ones in the video that I can say. Can anyone else drop what they know? Yahagi: Draft designs for Lee, Guy Ikemoto: Final designs for Zabuza, Haku, 3rd Hokage Battle Outfit Kishimoto: Team 7, 3rd Hokage, Iruka, Killer Bee, safe to assume majority Kishimoto & Yahagi together: Final Gaara design, Sasuke (Kishi often couldn't get his facial expressions right and Yahagi/staff helped to correct there)
Yahagi did have some amazing concepts, the chunin arc slays so hard, and Sasuke as the rival was incredible. It is so interesting learning about Kishimoto sensei's history and manga. His series really changed a lot...
Key in this story is Kishimotos understanding that rejection isn't the end. Not many people would be willing to continue after getting rejected as many times as he did and in yhe ways he was.
your video is AMAZING, but i think main thing that makes people hesitant to click it is the thumbnail. if you can improve it for this video, it could ATLEAST get 100k views
Thanks! Got a couple questions that would really help me out if you don't mind. What thumbnail did you see? (I'm using UA-cam's thumbnail test feature, different people see different thumbnails) What's a faceless anime UA-camr you know that has thumbnails you think are really great?
@@CorvuSphere @CorvuSphere i see the kishi slashed out and the name yahagi. also naruto and sasuke holding kunais to their necks.. and A youtuber i would recommend is DygoKnight. his thumbnails are FIRE. you should use his font and style
This video is a gift! One of the best videos I've ever seen. I've always loved Naruto, so my eyes were glued to the screen throughout the whole video. Also went to check out the Akamaru Jump one-shot
Holy shit the amount of people that are dead set on "proving" Naruto is a bad show is crazy to me. I really don't get what people gain by running around doing this
I could never understand that as well. I think its a kind of herd mentality thing. The more people keep doing it, the more other people start doing it . I also think that is one of those "lets talk shit about mainstream stuff because everybody likes it". Overall I'm pretty sure any professional mangaka respects naruto and kishimito a lot
@gildaEsfirrah I think these kind of sideswipe memes are fine. Basically anything popular is gonna have that, but people legit will write articles in comments trying to break down why the show is "objectively" bad while most of it just coming down to preference
Yahagi is responsible for a lot of major changes, but all he did was make things more efficient, concise and comprehensive. He's not really creating something new, doing exactly what he's supposed to do. *_Editing_*
I think it is a double answer of "yes and no". Kishimoto wasn't wrong about any of the things he wanted in the manga and he eventually worked all of them in. Animal companions made it in, the cross-country missions ended up making it in. Sasuke is absent or doing his own thing for half the series anyway, and Sakura gets very little focus. In the end he wrote what he wanted, after some unscripted deviations. Yahagi gave him the tools to write what he wanted AND make it successful. Forcing characters to show up early doesn't mean characters like them wouldn't have shown up at all in the final product. There are a few things that could have gone for longer, and that is a problem with all shonen. A lot would be better written if the author actually had the time to write it and not be rushed; but for what it is concerned, Yahagi did good editorializing. If you want to know what Kishimoto would have been without good editorializing, take a look at his twin. Dude made like 3 hit series that didn't get anime adaptations, got hiatus, got lost in the weeds, and is literally the same pool of inspiration and art style as Kishimoto, with similar stories to tell. Seishi does *amazing* but his stories failed to reach the same level so far. I can easily see Masashi's Naruto being the same without Yahagi. Same content but that fails to get noticed.
His brother wrote for monthly shonen gangan which has a terrible track record when it comes to anime adaptations. Shonen Jump is also the biggest weekly shonen manga magazine in Japan. So it’s not a good comparison
I can see how Yahagi's influence made the series more appealable to the shounen crowd, but a part of me would love to see a slower and more grounded version of Naruto. Kinda like the arcs we got before the chunin exams and the story got caught up in all the ninja war stuff.
This is WHY I don’t blame Kishimoto with the Kaguya twist. Because I honestly don’t know who even was responsible for such a bad ending! People immediately think it’s the creator because their name is on the book cover but what about what goes behind-the-scenes? It’s just the creator’s name but you have no idea who’s actually responsible for major changes. 😩
I feel like when most people say things like that, they don't really get an editor's job. An editor's job is to make sure the manga basically stays popular. To what extent that happens differs from editor to editor. Some are much involved in the manga's creative process much like some movie producer's wew, others just make sure that the manga doesn't become stale or that producing the manga goes smoothly (aka deadlines go well, author stays productive, etc etc) It's not uncommon if you look at interviews with editor's that sometimes they help author's brainstorm a new series or ideas for new plotpoints (even tho I believe an author should have last say of what goes into the story) Like the idea for Dragon Ball came from a brainstorming session to see where Toriyama could head after Dr. Slump Tho apparently Toriyama's wife gave them the idea after realizing he watch a lot Hong Kong action movies. However iirc it was his editor that figured out his strength compared to the author of Fist of the Northstar was that he had a great sense of 3D space in his drawings, which makes fights more dynamic than in that series. This is imo at best to see in early DB's Tenkaichi Bodukai Like I said tho, author's should have the last say in manga and sometimes gpimg against your editor's suggestion may be a good thing. Like apparently tournament's were the go to suggestion to make a manga popular with readers or for new arc's after the Tenkaichi Bodukai turned out to be hella popular. Hirohiko Araki, Jojo's author, was suggested to add one after Jojo Part 2, but felt it only creates a story where once you climed up the wall, there is nothing to go but higher, threats only increasing in power, so it made him think outside the box and how to battle the problem Case and point editor's are a big part of writing, the truth some author's even get credit to their assistance assisting with the writing process in coming uo with a new ideas sometimes
Editors in japanese manga play a crucial role in the early stages of brainstorming and getting a series popular enough not to be canceled, but after they breakthrough they usually let the creator have more authority and control over what to do because they have proven they know what they are doing, it's an interesting relation really highlighted in anime shows/manga like Bakuman. Too bad editors in western comics these days are sleep walking and letting amateurish writer/artists run legacy characters and franchises into the ground.
Very interesting video, I love learning about the development of Naruto. I'm curious, do you have any source for the claim that Itachi was planned to secretly be a good guy from the very beginning?
Thanks! The claim comes from the Fuji TV special. No official translations for it unfortunately but check out the doc linked in the description for links. There are several recounts of the events by reputable members of the community and a low quality upload of the original interview currently exists on UA-cam (at least for now)
This video is so well written and edited, it was a really good experience to watch it! Thank you!! As a long time Naruto fan, I'm glad that both Kishimoto and Yahagi were able to create this master piece. As anything in life, there are flaws, but I think Naruto is one of the best manga of all time for sure.
Thank god for that editor. I liked all the early changes listed here. Especially Chunin Exams as thats what got me in the first place. And yes! Kishimoto's art is so good and so easy to follow. I never knew until i started reading other manga just how messy or confusing it can be. Its not easy and Kishi does it effortlessly. And weekly too!
His editor left the boat after the pain saga and we feel it very well. Kishimoto had good ideas and was a talented artist, but he was never a talented screenwriter. The quality of the storyline dropped drastically after the Pain saga. Naruto manga had a realistic take on war and orphans and kishimoto turned into a manga about the power of friendship with asspulls and "obito is the coolest guy". Fans often forget that a mangaka is nothing without a good editor. The Toriyama Torishima duo shows it very well. If the editor had stayed then Naruto would certainly be a masterpiece like dragon ball but unfortunately he left. I still thank Kishimoto for hiring a screenwriter ( who has won numerous awards ) for the Boruto sequel. Storyline was really good, original and promising even if some Naruto fans hated it because they wanted to see the same thing as Naruto. Since Kishimoto returned to the scenario, the script no longer resembles anything. It feels like we're watching a teen sitcom. The day manga fans understand that their favorite authors are not necessarily good screenwriters then we will take manga fans seriously. but currently no. Always give the fans what they need and not what they want and his editor understood that well.
@@ClaclaT you are the smartest comment I’ve seen all day. Kishi is creative but nothing without an editor. He literally can’t even make a proper story without an editor hence many Naruto fans giving up on the series mid way through the war arc.
I don't know what crack you're smoking but there was literally chapters of the hokage being brought back talking about politics, war, and each ones individual approaches to it. War became more and more forefront to the settings and the characters progression. Obito thing has always been in line with his character anyone half paying attention or half an appreciation for the story outside of "cool fights cool" would be able to understand this.
Completely agree, an editor an mangaka is a relation ship. One doesn’t work without the other. Mangaka is pure creativity and an editor can channel that, it can’t happen other way round. Kishi and his brother are very creative, but so far all there other mangas are horrible seinen messes, the editor was clearly needed to even start naruto let alone write it. I don’t think it completely suffered after he left a lot of things were put together very well and his early story paid off a lot. I just think anything Kaguya related absolutely killed everything else. Obito was good, he was naruto and sasuke. Now him being backstabbed by madara was a stretch in itself but madara being back stabbed by zetsu who was puppeting for Kaguya (who was a unseen character and like not even talked about till like 50 chapters till the end or less) absolutely killed everything built up that whole long arc. Now can boruto happen without Kaguya prob, not do we want boruto? Ehhhh I’m always happy with naruto content and it’s doing good but it’s still building off a bad war arc, which makes me iffy. even though it’s really good.
This video is amazingly good, wow. I was thinking of this too recently, the editor of Naruto came up with the character that the entire series revolved around, Sasuke. And Kishimoto's other works without Yahagi to help like Samurai 8 or Boruto haven't been all too well received huh... But yeah, your vid is amazing and can't wait to see what is next
Lol I thought the same and kept it that way cause it seemed like it would grab attention. People who saw different thumbnails will be confused by this comment though.
Skipping to the exams is so bad. In Shippuden we get told to tragically reminisce like“man remember all those awesome times with squad 7”but that simpler time just doesn’t exist so it feels disingenuous.
its hard to believe that ikemoto was part of the land of waves arc, because his designs in boruto are *awful* now. he oversexualizes female characters. though his style has improved a bit, the timeskip designs are bad, and i would much rather have kishimoto drawing boruto than him. or shingo kimura (retsuden manga.)
There are probably a lot of other shounen manga in which the editors had a strong influence on the story, we might just don't know about. I mean thats their job, to make a manga more appealing to the shounen jump readers. I actually admire Kishimoto for being vocal about the help he got, instead of keeping silent and keeping all the praise for him. At the end of the day though it doesn't really matter though, I'm just happy Naruto exists and i love it 😂
Well Eiichiro Oda was helped by his Editors in a few ways one of his Editors helped Oda make his characters more compelling and likable, one of them had him create the supernova in Sabaody, along with one of them helping create the Warlord and one was the reason he made Ace Roger's son
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The Android Arc in Dragonball would've been WILDLY different if it werent for Toriyama's editor.
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@@dragfang3723 one also made luffy think zoro would murder civillians lmao
People seem to forget Yahagi is literally just doing his job as an editor. Even if he did play a major role in Naruto's development as a story through the pitching of ideas Kishimoto still wrote the story
naruto is a copy of hunter hunter
@@KakeKira hunter hunter is a copy of dragon ball
@@dragonfire-ew7bb one piss is a copy of dragon ball
@@KakeKiraOne Piss, hahahahaha
@@KakeKira I tell you thank you plz make one piece fans mad because they are becoming more naruto fans
Kishi had the right idea to go on missions to other villages. We missed out
His original idea was also for Naruto to be the reincarnated nine tails, protected/trusted by minato to break to be better. The seal thing was just supposed to help keep that fact hidden. You can tell when kishimoto edited this plotline because after the plotline was thrown away Naruto stopped being a prankster and relying as much on shape shifting (a character trait of a kitsune)
This made the neji vs Naruto make no sense(he wanted to prove he could break the cycle/doesn't have to be a monster),made the village seem evil for how they treated Naruto(hating the reincarnation of the monster that killed their loved ones is at least understandable as is the hokage neglecting him), made it so the Akatsuki was after the jinshuriki and not Naruto himself to destroy village's(something Naruto doesn't want to do)and kishimoto still wanted to do the reincarnation plotline(damage control) but the god twist came out of nowhere
All the plotlines that would be fixed if that one plotline was left alone is insane.
Right. Lack of world building was one of the the only flaw of Naruto (before the fraud Shippuden I mean). The fact he went for a tournament so early completely threw away the other countries for a really, really, really long time. So long that even when the Tsuchikage, Mizukage and Raikage were presented we couldn't really give a dang about them since there was so long going on in the same time during the 4th war. Arcs about these villages during Naruto's first part should've been mandatory
@@almessasorrow4950 I need to apologize to Kishimoto because I thought he was a shitty writer when he never really got to write the story he wanted and was trying to still write that story even with the editor's intervention
How did we miss out? You wanted him to ruin pacing and get his show cancelled? Do people not understand how easy a shones series is cancelled of it cannot sell the action properly and in a unique way
Samurai 8 tried to travel and it got cancelled
@@viyusavery248 samurai 8 and DBS had little to no editor interference, the editor is meant to keep the series on track with the ratings while allowing the writer to subvert expectations/Give the audience exactly what they want in a way they didn't expect, without the editor both series feel random,like there's no plot. Despite Boruto sucking it at least stays on track with the karma plotline. A series like Boruto would have been canceled immediately if not for a editor.
The plot of Naruto is about the nine tails(even during Madara vs the alliance, traveling to the sand village or rain village wouldn't be a problem as it does effect the nine tails, but besides that there's no reason for them to explore the other village's.
No work of fiction that is published is often just a one person team. The version you see goes through many iterations and tests. Same happens in animation. Whether it is successful or not, is fortunate. A great story is hard to make, finding an audience is even harder. I am grateful Naruto exists, it really got me into finding a path for my art at a certain point. Even today, the influence is there.
so technically kishimoto is the type to give credit to his editor more than any mangaka . couse what u mentioned is exactly what an editor should do and every mangaka get those services but won't be mentioning their editor like masashi do .
Truebut I think that kishi had extra help
@@Jonathan-tw4xmthat's just your opinion since Kishi seems to be one of a kind when it comes to give his editor credit for the success of his work. Or at least doing it so openly
Then later in Squid 8 Kishi literally ignored any Editor input, and we know what happened to that tragedy of a Manga 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It depends on the relationship between the author and the editor. Some editors like Kishimoto’s prefer a direct hands on approach where they play an active role in shaping the story, others prefer a more hands off approach where they tell the author “hey this isn’t working” then let the author figure out how to fix it on their own without offering suggestions
There’s also the editors personality to consider, some editors are more open and flexible allowing the author to try things that may or may not work, some are dictators that force the author to make the changes they dictate, and some are stern but fair only forcing the author to make the changes imposed by the publisher
There’s even the story of the editor who nearly destroyed Shonen Jump and the editor who saved it. Which is the story of how the former head of Shonen Jump, who started out as an editor, rejected the original pitches for some the magazines biggest titles including Dragon Ball and Bleach which were all managed by this one editor who was in charge of finding new talent. This guy really believed in the author’s he discovered and pushed repeatedly to get some of the biggest titles included in Shonen Jump. Bleach was rejected 3 times by the former head of Shonen Jump which resulted in Kubo giving up on manga, but this editor believed in Kubo and didn’t give up on him. Even a year after Kubo’s last attempt when Kubo hadn’t drawn in over 6 months this editor called him up and said “hey I can finally guarantee you a spot in the next issue so get me the latest version of your first chapter”. Kubo himself said if it wasn’t for that editor’s persistence Bleach never would have seen the light of day. This same sentiment has been shared by every author this guy was the editor for because he fought tooth and nail to get their work included
I remember hearing that story for the first time and being shocked that the guy in charge not only kept his job but was eventually promoted, while the editor responsible for getting them some of their biggest titles had chosen to remain in the same position
@@TheJjcczz no to be the umm actually guy but there are a lot of holes and weird stuff in you comment about the "editor that almost destroyed jump" for example
The jump chief editor was not the same one when dragon ball and bleach got peak up, as both have a 20+ year gap in release, as a matter of fact dragon ball first editor became editor in chief of jump after, he would be the guy that "rejects" bleach if anything, but he also the guy that brought one piece, hunter x hunter, shaman king, naruto and many others, also important to remember, toriyama had given jump 1 successful series and 1 mega hit with dr slump before he even started with dragon ball, he was jump royalty at that point
Kubo did almost give up on bleach, but its also important to remember bleach is kubo second serialization in the magazine, first one being zombie powder a short story cancelled fairly early on in its run, most second time authors get a little more scrutiny as they don't get as much leaway as first timers.
I'm not praising the editor department in the magazine, its a royal mess, over working authors and asking them to continue to publish stories even when they want to end it but your story looks more urban legend than anything
It sounds also partly like Yahagi was Kishimoto's Sasuke, too and this is how we TRUELY got *NARUTO* 😮
@@viola308how did you use those
@@Marlinkz_ not telling
@@viola308 okay loser gate keep
@@viola308 i didn’t want to use them anyways….
I think one big reason this question arises is because Kishimoto is very humble guy and gives a lot of credit to his colleagues. But it would be disingenuous to say that Kishimoto did not put a major effort in the creation of the manga and had to be carried through out the process, because let's face it, in the end, it's Naruto, storyboarded and illustrated by Masashi Kishimoto, is the series that stands above most others.
Initially, I disliked the video based on its title, but after watching it, I ended up giving it a thumbs up. The truth is, Kishimoto values giving credit where it's due. While editors suggest ideas and provide criticism, there's a clear distinction between proposing an idea and actually implementing it.
As a writer myself, I also work with an editor. Recently, I submitted a chapter, and my editor advised me to rewrite my main character's mother's backstory to make her more miserable. I took charge of shaping the story while considering my editor's feedback. Ultimately, authors decide how to acknowledge their editors, and Kishimoto stood out for being vocal about his, unlike many other mangaka. Being open about this shouldn't be seen as a weakness.
Very interesting insight, it's great to see what a writer thinks of this. And thanks for giving the video a chance!
Bro disliked it before watching 😭
The quote about Kisihimoto finding Naruto’s world view naive and idealistic but opting to stick to it anyway out of his view that shonen manga should reflect hope completely changed the way I looked at the second half of the series and it spoke to me so much. I used to think that Naruto’s perseverance was a reflection of Kishimoto himself and reflected a world view that was simplistic and fueled by blissful ignorance. The fact that it was the point made things mean so much more. It made the spirit of it feel so much more genuine rather than saccharine. It also made me start approaching shows with much more good faith than before, trying to avoid being overly cynical with my interpretations of shows. It is a great quote.
yahagi is a goat editor,he shaped kishimoto so well,nonetheless some of 2 most regarded and appreciated arcs in naruto are the fated battle between brothers and pain arc which he wrote without the help of yahagi,i just think he needed an editor to help him with not overdoing it in the war arc,if yahagi was there in the war arc it wouldve been perfection,yahagi and peak kishimoto wouldve created something really good
fr, having 2 brains really does something
The war arc was amazing though.. he made Madara into an all time great villain. Yahagi would’ve nerfed him and turned him into another Deidara
@@Drogas3653 ngl i love the war arc but i dont want to fight braindead mfs saying its bad so i was vague
@@antooh1167 Calling it "braindead" to criticise an arc that is objectively flawed (cough, Kaguya) doesn't make sense.
@@spriggylotus4476Kaguya is just a small part of the war arc in terms of time she takes up. Even people who like the war arc usually hate Kaguya, there’s no point in mentioning her. I think she’s her own problem unrelated to the war arc as a whole.
It seems like the idea of travelling to other villages is exactly what happens in most of the Naruto movies, so the idea was not completely thrown away, but it would have been very interesting to see the transition from a mission to the Hidden Sand Village into the Konoha Crush arc...🤔
We never really got into much exploration of the different villages, and that would have been nice to see, how the characters would interact and adapt to the different environments; in the first movie, when they travelled to the Land of Snow, all of them wore shoes that covered their toes, Kakashi also wore a scarf, and in the third movie they were all wearing summer attire.
Yahagi is what got Naruto published, and what made sure Part 2 was consistent in it's quality and pacing for as long as he was around. Although I do think the chunin exams were ultimately harmful for the world building of the series in comparison to Kishimoto's original idea, it's clear just how important Yahagi's input was to create the bits of Naruto so many of us fell in love with, as the series didn't really had the strongest set of final story arcs after he left production.
Naruto's success was clearly a collaborative effort and I don't think Kishimoto would deny that, as he seems very fond of the people who were part of making that dream come true.
Nah based on how bad Kishimoto at in World building most of the time, which we seen later on post timeskip, it's obvious that Yahagi truly know Kishimoto's strength is, and it's not world building.
Part 2 was inconsistent as everything. It retconned a LOT of part 1. Part 1 might as well not have existed and the anime could have started at the Sasuke Pursuit/Sound Five battle. That's how badly Part 2 dropped the ball.
I think that the Chunin exams were necessary, but I also think Kishimoto had a right idea about wanting to world build, both of the ideas are great and both should have been incorporated into the story. I dont think its a matter of, replace the chunin exams with Naruto Adventures. So I disagree that the Chunin exams were harmful for world building, I mean they brought ninjas from other villages too lol, so we learned that those villages even existed because we saw the characters that came from them. I definitely need to re read Naruto, but I dont think 1 arc means that Naruto's world building shouldve turned out as bad as it did. I think the world couldve been more fleshed out even during Shippuden, it didnt necessarily need to be exactly when the Chunin Exams were, thats just when Kishimoto wanted to do it, and he just apparently couldnt really figure out another way he could expand on the world other than at that specific point in the series.
@@Sizdothyx yes, everything went downhill from shippuden on manga and especially anime. Part two inconsistencies are one of the reasons they made that rubbish called boruto
@GinKaza You can tell from part 2 that kishimoto was terrible at world building. I think the editor made the right choice. The world of Naruto is not fleshed out. And when it attempted to during shippuden, the world just felt goofy and childish. Full of logical flaws. It's a good thing that the series never attempted to flesh this world out completely. The more that it was explained, the more brain rot it became.
I thought I was watching 1 million view video, great effort you deserve more.
Wow, thank you!
@@CorvuSpherefr like you sherch every interview? Cod is still got tons of questions
@@דמכי11 There are definitely some that I've missed, but I tried to get as many as I could. Full list is in description if you'd like to read them yourself, I cut out a lot of content I didn't think relevant enough/important enough.
@@CorvuSphere im into te 3 hour vid honestly its just so intresting you knew
@@דמכי11 Thank you! Maybe I'll do an "extended-cut" one day for the most popular authors I cover.
I find it a little risky to do hour plus videos due to the difficulty of keeping it entertaining all the way through and many more hours of editing/writing. I envy fulltime UA-camrs lol.
People should understand that a Manga is not a work of single person. it's a multi disciplina team effort.
for example One Piece Oda ows a large chunk of his story to his editors.
it was originally a 5 years but thanks to the editors. they added The 7 Warlords, the supernovas and other plot keys like shanks losing his arm
Oda added the 7 Warlords, not the editors. If anything, his editors are the ones who help him streamline all the overflowing ideas he wants to add into the story.
Like how Punk Hazard was originally meant to be two arcs (an ice island and a fire island) or how Dressrossa and Green Bit were originally two arcs before his editor suggested combining them.
@@TheRockerX Yes Oda (The Mangaka) with his assistant do the drawing.
but the strategic planning to make a good compelling story of the lord way is the Editors Job.
if you let had do everything by himself. One Piece would be over very very lonh time ago and wouldn't be a Big of Manga as today
@@luc7478Not true. Oda had the overall story of One Piece already planned out since college. However he has the tendency to go off on tangents exploring and expanding on his original ideas and concepts when it’s not necessary. Oda’s editors have been responsible for curtailing this a reminding Oda of when certain things aren’t necessary. If it weren’t for Oda’s editors One Piece would be a lot longer not shorter
@@TheJjcczz what you're saying is delusional,
He knows the Start and the Finish, the rest comes in time.
there are tons of Interviews supporting my saying.
basically He wanted a Gag Funny Manga Abou Luffy going to the Grand line fighting the 4 yonkos,
even Shanks losing his Arm at chapter 1 wasn't his idea.
@@TheJjcczz Basically all good Pre TS stuff was his editor choice, even the artstyle was forced on Oda due the editor
Now all the editor are basically yesmen and it shows
The artsyle is messy at best (a return to the "wanted" time) and the story is ehhhh
The rock lee vs gaara fight during the chuunin exams was what got me into naruto in the early 2000s. Still one of my favorite anime fights.
Like, what you are describing sounds like a very standard author and editor relationship of Jump.
Just watching Bakuman, you can tell this is how the editors are supposed to work.
This is the job they paid them to do.
I haven't researched enough Jump mangakas and editors to say this is typical but for the others I've covered, editing styles are kind of personal. FMA's editor seems to be more laissez faire. His changes are usually just adding a "cool factor" and not touching Arakawa's story much. AOT's editor liked to prioritize the outline being thought out which makes sense given the amount of pre-planning that series needs.
this only has 512 views?!?!?! i honestly thought i was watching one of those vids from a year ago with like 5 mil views but wow, congrats man u deserve more views
Thanks, really appreciate this!
You commented on this when the video was just unloaded. Of course, it would have those low views. Look now. 😂
Yahagi creating the chunin exam instead of making Naruto arcs going to other villages was one of the biggest mistakes of all the entire manga industry
Chunin Exams arc was so good
We lost a lot of potential world building due to that decision, but the Chunin Exams is still a good arc despite basically being like the Hunter exams in Hunter X Hunter.
@@TragicIrina they should've entered the exam after having several missions in different villages. One doesn't throw inexperienced kids in fight to death situations without precautions; Iruka was right about it and Kakashi was so terrible for doing that .
Literally one of the best arcs in the show.
@@Some_guy_passing_by that was training for the Forest of Death. Those kids hadn't learned teamwork yet and that was just as important as the strategy used to get the drop on your enemy.
Did you read the manga?
This video deserves more views man UA-cam algorithm better bless this man cause he earned a subscriber from me for sure. Keep doing your best work brother.
Thank you! Really appreciate the support, it keeps me wanting to improve
I wish the Chunins exams happened a little later in the series. Kishimoto was tryna cook with this. It could have been used to build more relationships with team 7 and with characters outside of the hidden leaf village and to demonstrate the more example of the cycle of hatred, the harshness and corruption in the ninja world. It also could have been a great opportunity to build upon Naruto’s and Sasuke’s friendship and character development. And they could have introduced other Konoha characters like team Asuma to build on Naruto’s and Hinata’s relationship and just to give more interactions between Naruto and Kiba ir something. It really does feel like they went on one mission then bam chunin exams. Oh well.
Great video btw.
I've always thought this since I first watched it
No because everyone I introduced gets bored after zabuxa arc
That happened in the anime. And the novels help, too. That's what prequels and tie-ins should do. Otherwise why make them in the first place?
I think a lot of people forget that originally Kishimoto pitched Naruto as, a kid working at a Ramen shop with a demon fox inside of him.The Shinobi stuff came later..Kishimoto set the foundation but, the studio and Yahagi definitely put in work.
Publisher - studios don’t come into the picture until the anime.
wasn't Naruto supposed to be the demon fox itself?
90% of the work
U didn't answer the question
Yes he was a fox who transformed into a boy@@dobacetr
I had no idea how badly I wanted the start of Naruto to be different. Even though the Chuunin Exams were spectacular, hearing about how they were developed really makes me realize how much I hated them on a conceptual level. It's just that the execution was so good that it ended up becoming the gold standard of the series.
From the sound of it i kinda comes to two conclusions which is, 1 the series would have ended early at multiple point if not for Yahagi advice. Having long terms plans for mission in others villages are nice but we at that point haven’t really cared about the leaf so the chunin exam was the better idea. Basically Yahagi knew that extremes needed to be done in order for the series to keep going.
The second thing is that it seems Yahagi got tired of arguing with Kishimoto by the sasuke retrieval arc even going so far as to suggest himself leaving Kishimoto. He would fight SJ for idea both he and Kishimoto agree on but wouldn’t fight Kishimoto as much.
From what I'm hearing and the information I'm getting from this video. It sounds more like a collaborative effort from both the creator and editor. It doesn't sound like like Naruto's success comes from a majority 1 person over the other. Masashi Kishimoto sounds like the one making the ideas while his editor is helping Kishimoto structure his stories.
Saw people complaining that the timing of the tournament arc was off, but in my opinion it was the best decision that got us hooked onto Naruto. Creating the backstory of every village would have tired the audiences and perhaps Naruto would have failed.
No it would be interesting like one piece, kishimoto had potential and could create best world building, side characters and lore
Your storytelling & editing is to the point. Keep it up!
Appreciate the support, thanks!
I really wish Naruto always got that "punk/hardcore/underground" aesthetic it did at the beginning of the series. The whole design of the first characters that appeared was so cool, like a mixture of punk clothes and style and traditional japanese aesthetic, full of gas masks, ragged clothes, spikes everywhere... It felt like a scary world to live in, and everyone felt menacing, the anime osts where full of cool punk rock songs as well. I feel like slowly and slowly Naruto lost his main focus and aesthetic and became more and more and more commercial until we inevitably got to what is Boruto
If you like that check out the first two books of samurai 8. There are really endearing chara designs but everything goes to shit soon after.
@@kalidwapur Hm, so this might be a common theme with Kishimoto. Starting things in a very good way, to then descend into low quality. Maybe he should focus more in shorter storys or smaller universes, or maybe purposedly give more focus on the setting rather than the personal life of the characters, which seems to be his strong quality. Q Hayashida with Dorohedoro is a good example of making a good manga focusing more on the aesthetic and the setting around the characters than the personal life of each of them
Yeah it was pretty gritty, theres a lot of tonal whiplash in shippuden even if it works
I don’t even know what you mean, shippuden was considerably closer to being dark than early Naruto
@@obvv7714 yes and no.
early on the manga had a lot more gore than later on in the series, (Orochimaru operating on living people, all the corpses everywhere, that kid that lost his arms in the exam) you coud miss a lot if you don't pay attention.
But the later parts showed it more frontal for a while at least. (Kakuzu carrying a corpse around for an entire episode, twice. jiraya's death, kisame killing himself) and the ninja war kinda was brutal in theory. but then again not realy compared to what happend to sakon for example early on.
in the end yes it did get softer, and also the anime suffered censorship since episode 1.
why? because kids make money! and gore became a sensible topic even in japan.
Naruto is my favorite anime and manga it had a huge impact on my life and brought me out of a dark place and I will forever be grateful!❤
This is a dumb question in my opinion. I understand that some of the important things in Naruto series was the editor's idea but you can't take credit away from Kishimoto. Having a idea is one thing but developing on that idea and crafting a story is different. Like, even though the idea of Sasuke was from Yahagi but it was Kishimoto who wrote his character, story, his clan's story and his importance to story.
Fair. I attempted to convey the intricacies with the intro. Components like the 'hard to discern' and clarification on what the idiomatic title meant, while still keeping it as short as possible. But I hope most viewers didn't expect to obtain a simple yes or no answer to the extended questions, and can tell it was a team effort.
@@CorvuSphere I have seen a lot of so called "fans" who likes to think that Kishimoto and Kubo are bad and Oda is very good ,Naruto and Bleach is bad than One Piece or Vice-Versa. But they don't seem to understand that each one of these writers are best in their own regards. I personally think Kishimoto is perhaps the best at crafting depth in character like my man made Boruto such a good manga after just few chapters. Kubo is do good at creating variety of characters unlike One Piece where each female character looks same and Oda is so good at remembering characters and using them in the story. He is the best at world-building. The anime community has been degrading day by day by some few attention seekers on social media platforms.
The editors also insisted on making Sakura useless and be a Sasuke simp ( when kishi was already struggling with writing women) and that decision caused so much frustration among the fans . Those scenes of Sakura and Sasuke and heartbroken Naruto really takes away from so much impact those scenes had to offer .
@@HokageOfGotham that's a sensible take. BUT people strongly prefer to find all or most of the attributes in one ongoing epic. You'll never convince those who adore OP that it genuinely isn't a better time reading than the other Big Two. And they aren't above using longevity as to the reason why.
@@Some_guy_passing_bynot enough to drop the story. The creator and the editors KNOW their base.
Yahagi was suggesting and recommending. The design, writing , story and everything else was by Kishimoto, he made it work from a simple rec to a fully fleshed out concept
This cleared up so many lies about Kishimoto. Thank god you made this video.
I'm glad to see it was useful!
For anyone who has any questions or doubts about War arc, feel free to discuss with me.
Here is 1 great Correlation between Madara and Zabuza:
Madara and Obito are literally Zabuza and Haku like Zabuza used Haku as tool(same as what Madara did to Obito) but he had heart, he wasn't able to throw his emotion, he wasn't able to become a perfect shinobi, he cried for Haku. but Madara well...
That's why were Zabuza won and defeated Gato, Madara became a perfect shinobi, one who is just meant to be used and thrown away(ABSOLUTE PEAKNESS MAN)
Goated writer
Huh? Madara and Zabuza are nothing alike. Madara took orders from nobody, and he wanted to destroy the shinobi system cause he thought it caused pain and despair. Madara was not a soulless tool, he just became heartless to achieve his goals. Those goals were ones involving plenty of emotion though, as you saw with how he shed a tear when Kaguya took him over and said “Hashirama, where did I go wrong?”.
@@DiamonDust no He was being Manipulated by BZ, and what you say, "took order from nobody" he was taking orders from a f**king stone tablet, lol
"Kaguya took him over and..." sorry but you're mistaking his REALIZATION for his who he was The Perfect Tool.
@@FangLeng-lh4gn He was completely unaware that he was being led around by BZ… Zabuza did it willingly. How can he be the perfect shinobi tool when he isn’t even being a tool on purpose and was not working as a shinobi in the shinobi system?? He did not take orders from a tablet, his intention was using its knowledge to unlock the Rinnegan and create _his_ ideal world.
@@DiamonDust I think that's what manipulation means,
"....on purpose" sorry but that doesn't mean he was being used by BZ as tool,
which was written by BZ.
Technically that’s the editors job
Kishimoto’s seinen aspects of Naruto and how he wanted the story to move is an even more exciting premise than what we have today. It is a shame that the editors always decides how the story goes/ends and not the original creator himself. Truly a shame…We could’ve gotten a great ending too..
I personally feel the person who actually wrote the thing is more responsible for its success than the guy who came up with a few vague ideas.
I LOVE how after yahagi left we got this damn boruto series (i like boruto no cap, but THEY MADE RINNEGANS SEEM LIKE SOMETHING U CAN FIND ON THE FLOOR)
Kishimoto was there for the Boruto movie at that point Rinnegans don't matter as much or they are something like that.
Rinnegna Users:
Nagato, Hagoromo, Ten-Tails, Madara, Obito, Sasuke, Black Zetsu.
Momoshiki.
4-5 Users of 3 Rinnegan.
Boruto users:
Urashiki, Shibai, Kara Ten Tails, Certain Claw Grimes, Bug's God Tree, Hidari, Jura, Matsuri.
8 Users of like.
4 Rinnegan (Urashiki counts as 2 as he has his different Rinnegan but also the Golden ones however as he has to eat his eyes and evolve and can't seem to switch when he genetic evolves then he would just lose one so I'm using Peak Rinnegan here).
Since the Kara Ten Tails Rinne-Sharingan or Rinnegen with Tomoe would just be split into the other users.
It makes sense something powerful that was more late in the series would be more common or surpassed by something happening later.
Rinnegan is still the most powerful dojutsu in the series. Momoshiki had a Rinnegan, Ishikki thought of Sasuke's rinnegan as a nuisance too. Also, all the Shinju that we see have rinnegan due to them being Ten Tails human form. I also think their rinnegan isn't as strong as otsutsuki or Sasuke or Sage of Six Paths Rinnegan. The only issue with the series is the fillers and also lack of focus on OG characters but Naruto also dont focus on side characters much.
@@HokageOfGotham The anime has a bit of Anime Canon and it's not as bad as fillers which are overhated regardless and while I can kinda agree on the lack of OG characters at the same time Shippuden and Part 1 to a degree doesn't even do things that well and for some of these characters trying to do something with them as the story is evolving is near impossible but it's just kinda a sad thing like that you have stories like Chapter's 700+ and Mitsuki's whole thing which aren't heavily attached to the Manga when they could do so much more.
When typing out my comment I was kinda shocked that like there isn't even that many Rinnegan we see even though we have the species that effectively it comes from way easier in the series like Kaguya has Rinne-Shar and Hagoromo got the Rinnegan because it was a weaker version. Otsutsuki especially with their parasite like nature and just being born with insane Kekkei Genkai some eyes unseen until now could have way more.
ok TELL ME who are Rinnegan users apart from Momoshiki and the four Shinjuu who came DIRECTLY from Ten Tails, that is the origin of Rinnegan in the first place .....it is also the divine Tree/Ten tails that is the origin of Kaguya's Rinnegan when she consumed the fruit and passed it down to Hagoromo
media literacy is dead to all of you fckin idiots
@@zelz3011 I don't know if I was able explain properly or not but I'm not hating Naruto or Boruto. I'm just saying this. People say that Boruto don't focus on OG Naruto characters which I agree but it's similar to how Naruto was. In Naruto too we didn't had much focus on other side characters and I personally feel Boruto is doing good on this over OG Naruto. If you look at it with logical point of view, then Boruto's character till now is more serious and developed than Naruto. He went from brat to more serious guy. Also, the only thing that I want Boruto to do is focus on other villages, other characters more too so that the manga feel well-developed.
much respect for the effort you put in your work, I'm gonna check your other vids
i think samurai 8 was a masterpiece but it has a complicated intro so it didn't went viral
Thanks, appreciate the support! Hope you find the others enjoyable too!
Monster 8 had potential but was hampered by it’s convoluted and controversial power system
Great video. Editing and storytelling is on point 👍🏾
Thanks a lot!
very different show but id be so into a slice of life young man + old man at the ramen shop, working through their issues with each others help
It was a deeply collaborative effort that made the final show infinitely better for the contributions of the talented artists that worked on it
Kishimoto got played 😭😭😭
I would have liked to see a Naruto series where Kishimoto was more confident and make his own decisions better .
Got played by who?
@@jasonone8726 bad choose of words ig, I’m basically saying he got kinda overly controlled by his editor and we could’ve gotten a better story
He did had samourai 8 and we've seen how it ended tho
@@Mysticpower404only cause it got pressured, rushed and axed by Jump to push support to Boruto
Kishimoto became a worse writer after this editor left. Most fans agree Part 1 was better than Shippuden, the Final war arc was terrible, most of the main cast was severely underwritten. It's laughable that Neji's laughably stupid death was meant to bring Hinata and Naruto closer (instead of actual character writing). His follow-up manga Samurai 8 was terrible and got cancelled as a result. Let's not even bring up Boruto
Great video! I dropped naruto years ago when the war strated because i couldn't stand the pacing and filler anymore. I know what happened but i had some resentment for how the series fell so hard.
This video made me appreciate the work kishimoto did even before writing natuto(getting rejected multiple times) and how hard it was writing the series itself.
It does seem like after the editor left the series went down hill so i guess he really was important. You can see this with one piece as well. After time skip most of the new editors are yes men who grew with the series so it's a mess.
Overall great editing on the video and good pacing,looking for more:)
Thanks a lot! Appreciate the feedback!
It really focuses itself near the end. People crap on the 10 tail arc but it's become more and more a favor. I don't care much for a chunk of the start of the war arc but I can appreciate the worldbuilding using the rebirth jutsu.
Love this video. I have a suggestion. You should make a separate video explaining the role of editors in Manga industry and give examples of important changes in Manga that were made by the editors. As many like to think that every mangaka has all pre-planned except Kishimoto who just got lucky with good editor.
Great suggestion, thanks! I've been playing around with similar ideas for a while and I think a video like this will ultimately happen. With every new mangaka I cover, I've come to see just how varied editing styles can be.
@@CorvuSphere Yeah you should do it. I have heard many examples of Editor's role like DB editor giving suggestions about Android 16,17 otherwise 18 was going to be the main villain. He also suggested Cell and Complete Cell to Toriyama. Similarly, OP editor suggested to make Ace Roger's son.
It's crazy to me just now learning all this! Especially that this Yahagi left after Sasuke awakened his mangekyou Sharingan, because that's about where I start to fall off with both the anime and manga every time I try to finish it, for like the last 10 years! I LOVE Naruto but I never make it past about the part where Sasuke kills Danzo. I did read the final 3-4 chapters with my best friend after we graduated high school back in 2013 so we could "finish what we started together" but that's it.
UA-cam randomly recommended this video to me, and I added it to my watch later playlist. At first, I hesitated to watch it because I thought it might annoy me by exaggerating Kishimoto's influences in his own story. I'm glad you didn't go that route and instead did thorough research, compiling the information into a well-made video.
Many have perpetuated the false narrative that Kishimoto is a fraud who took all his ideas from his editors, and I assumed this video would say the same. I'm glad you explained the relationship between Kishimoto and his editor and taught me many things about the history of my favorite manga that I didn't know.
People tend to forget that after his editor came up with many of the iconic ideas, Kishimoto still had to actually, you know, write the whole thing together.
Thanks for giving the video a chance! I know my packaging tends to invoke that kind of reaction, but I think it's helped me reach the people who contemplate the "Kishimoto is a fraud" idea before to hopefully clear up some things
Someone finally made this. Good work.
Thank you!
16:27 "by the time Itachi made its debut it was already decided that he would secretly be a good guy"
Can you provide the source of that statement? Whether Itachi was retconned, or when, is a big point of discussion. It would be very nice to have official statements confirming that.
Fuji TV Special. This source has no official translation unfortunately, but I've included links to a few independent summaries/transcripts from people with reputations in the community, and the information overlaps & agrees.
Yeah I had the same question because that's crazy to me.
Kahagi created Lee??? What a GOAT editor.
Naruto going on missions in other villages would have been so dope. It would have done wonder for the world building. We still don't know shit about most of the villages.
True, but naruto is much more of a better rounded story with a clear start and end. A story like one piece becomes to repetitive with the story just being essentially the group going on to the next island just to see what it has to offer, also with so much of the same plot it suffers from repeated actions. For example the crew go to there next island which is alabasta they see that a villain is not really a villain and is really a girl princess and they realise the main villain is somewhat close to the princess and they help her and they beat the villain and she joins the crew, this is essentially literally repeated with Yamato in wano. I think it would of been a completely different story if naruto would of explored his big world, would it have been well rounded prob not. Do I want to see that knowing Naruto’s greatness yes because I do believe he could of made it good. Finally do I want it to change Naruto’s outcome no.
@@whatis9465 There are similarities between One Piece arcs but the overall story has been progressing steadily. The real story is in the history of the world, specifically the void century, which is heavily tied to the One Piece itself. Oda is essentially tell two stories, Luffy's journey AND the history of the world.
@@sharsasuke01 not to go on a tangent for a different anime this was about Naruto. We can go on and talk about one pieces quality wavering forever just was comparing the biggest animes. Saying how Naruto's was more rounded and less receptive story wise bc it wasn't drawn out with him going everywhere like one piece. That being said of course I would love to see that, especially since the movies were prob the best anime shounen movies out, the squads adventures were always fun when they went out for missions. After looking at it with an outside view since the show is done, im conflicted if I want more, prob a little bit more.
I see their relationship the same way as the main leads of Bakuman are. One didn't carry the other. They both are carrying each other. Like peanut butter and jelly, they compliment one another. Some mangakas works well with a partner in crime, some are solo fighter. One is not better than the other. Just cause they got help from their editors, doesn't discredit the authors. These people be hating and disrespecting, when they're not even close on Kishimoto's level as a writer.
Bars...I didn't realise I was rhyming the entire time I was writing this comment lol.
Naruto is really just a story of the importance of whirlpools.
Huh, interesting...
from yahagi it feels like you are talking about my teacher he rejects my every work and said you can do better
This video was very insightful thanks for making it
Thanks for watching! Glad it was enjoyable
Rather than thinking less of Kishimoto, this makes me smile. Kishimoto worked so hard... And it payed off.
He created a legendary manga 🔥
Thank god for Ikemoto drawing Haku as we know, and not as a bear
I have heard many times about some characters being drawn by the mangaka assistants, do we have a "list" of which ones had their design created by other artist? I'm just 100% curious rn
As far as claims I could verify/trust go, it's mainly the ones in the video that I can say. Can anyone else drop what they know?
Yahagi: Draft designs for Lee, Guy
Ikemoto: Final designs for Zabuza, Haku, 3rd Hokage Battle Outfit
Kishimoto: Team 7, 3rd Hokage, Iruka, Killer Bee, safe to assume majority
Kishimoto & Yahagi together: Final Gaara design, Sasuke (Kishi often couldn't get his facial expressions right and Yahagi/staff helped to correct there)
Up until the 4th Great War arc, Naruto was top tier. Yahagi and Kishimoto made a masterpiece.
Congrats on making such an awesome video! I really appreciate the effort you put in this one. ❤
Thanks a lot! I'm glad it was enjoyable!
@@CorvuSphere As someone who wants to become a mangaka, it was more than inspiring.
Yahagi did have some amazing concepts, the chunin arc slays so hard, and Sasuke as the rival was incredible. It is so interesting learning about Kishimoto sensei's history and manga. His series really changed a lot...
This finna blow up. 🤧
You got this my bro
Thank you! Really appreciate the support!
Hearing this also makes me realize Yahagi is partially responsible for some of the loose ends or retcons that happened near the end of naruto shipp.
I wish Yahagi stopped Naruto from becoming a series about gods and aliens.
Key in this story is Kishimotos understanding that rejection isn't the end. Not many people would be willing to continue after getting rejected as many times as he did and in yhe ways he was.
What if I told you that author-editor teams are teams and that pitting them against each other isn't healthy or helpful to anyone?
Very dumb and disrespectful video concept to begin with 😂
Damn this video probably took so much time. Respect
Thank you! Appreciate the effort recognition!
They kinda tried to explore other villages through Boruto, but damn. At this point we’re too far into story to care about those places anymore
That doesn't mean he can't try, like, what about the tech the nations have now.
How would you feel about a spin-off post Boruto that takes place exclusively in another village?
What's more important, an idea or execution? The editor is not responsible for one of them.
your video is AMAZING, but i think main thing that makes people hesitant to click it is the thumbnail. if you can improve it for this video, it could ATLEAST get 100k views
Thanks! Got a couple questions that would really help me out if you don't mind.
What thumbnail did you see? (I'm using UA-cam's thumbnail test feature, different people see different thumbnails)
What's a faceless anime UA-camr you know that has thumbnails you think are really great?
@@CorvuSphere @CorvuSphere i see the kishi slashed out and the name yahagi. also naruto and sasuke holding kunais to their necks.. and A youtuber i would recommend is DygoKnight. his thumbnails are FIRE. you should use his font and style
Thanks for the feedback!
This video is a gift! One of the best videos I've ever seen. I've always loved Naruto, so my eyes were glued to the screen throughout the whole video. Also went to check out the Akamaru Jump one-shot
Wow thank you! That's really great to hear!
Holy shit the amount of people that are dead set on "proving" Naruto is a bad show is crazy to me. I really don't get what people gain by running around doing this
I could never understand that as well. I think its a kind of herd mentality thing. The more people keep doing it, the more other people start doing it . I also think that is one of those "lets talk shit about mainstream stuff because everybody likes it".
Overall I'm pretty sure any professional mangaka respects naruto and kishimito a lot
@gildaEsfirrah I think these kind of sideswipe memes are fine. Basically anything popular is gonna have that, but people legit will write articles in comments trying to break down why the show is "objectively" bad while most of it just coming down to preference
People do this with all sorts. I blame TGWTG for planting the seeds
This is cool! Thank you for putting this information together. Also I loved the Hollow Knight ost in the background.
My pleasure, glad it was enjoyable! You can always rely on hollow knight music to help make a segment a bit more emotional lol
Yahagi is responsible for a lot of major changes, but all he did was make things more efficient, concise and comprehensive. He's not really creating something new, doing exactly what he's supposed to do. *_Editing_*
Wow, I didn't expect to pay attention until the end. I'm usually not used to long videos, but your explanation was really interesting.
Wow thanks! I'm glad it was enjoyable!
I think it is a double answer of "yes and no". Kishimoto wasn't wrong about any of the things he wanted in the manga and he eventually worked all of them in. Animal companions made it in, the cross-country missions ended up making it in. Sasuke is absent or doing his own thing for half the series anyway, and Sakura gets very little focus. In the end he wrote what he wanted, after some unscripted deviations. Yahagi gave him the tools to write what he wanted AND make it successful. Forcing characters to show up early doesn't mean characters like them wouldn't have shown up at all in the final product.
There are a few things that could have gone for longer, and that is a problem with all shonen. A lot would be better written if the author actually had the time to write it and not be rushed; but for what it is concerned, Yahagi did good editorializing.
If you want to know what Kishimoto would have been without good editorializing, take a look at his twin. Dude made like 3 hit series that didn't get anime adaptations, got hiatus, got lost in the weeds, and is literally the same pool of inspiration and art style as Kishimoto, with similar stories to tell. Seishi does *amazing* but his stories failed to reach the same level so far. I can easily see Masashi's Naruto being the same without Yahagi. Same content but that fails to get noticed.
His brother wrote for monthly shonen gangan which has a terrible track record when it comes to anime adaptations. Shonen Jump is also the biggest weekly shonen manga magazine in Japan. So it’s not a good comparison
I can see how Yahagi's influence made the series more appealable to the shounen crowd, but a part of me would love to see a slower and more grounded version of Naruto. Kinda like the arcs we got before the chunin exams and the story got caught up in all the ninja war stuff.
So Yahagi san is basically Haku in Kishimoto sensei's life.
W Yahagi san, and Great video man, Absolute peak
Thanks a lot, really appreciate it!
Kishi was absolutely cooking with some of this
This is WHY I don’t blame Kishimoto with the Kaguya twist. Because I honestly don’t know who even was responsible for such a bad ending! People immediately think it’s the creator because their name is on the book cover but what about what goes behind-the-scenes?
It’s just the creator’s name but you have no idea who’s actually responsible for major changes. 😩
Funny how that's not the ending it's like the lats volume of the series never happened
I feel like when most people say things like that, they don't really get an editor's job. An editor's job is to make sure the manga basically stays popular. To what extent that happens differs from editor to editor. Some are much involved in the manga's creative process much like some movie producer's wew, others just make sure that the manga doesn't become stale or that producing the manga goes smoothly (aka deadlines go well, author stays productive, etc etc)
It's not uncommon if you look at interviews with editor's that sometimes they help author's brainstorm a new series or ideas for new plotpoints (even tho I believe an author should have last say of what goes into the story)
Like the idea for Dragon Ball came from a brainstorming session to see where Toriyama could head after Dr. Slump
Tho apparently Toriyama's wife gave them the idea after realizing he watch a lot Hong Kong action movies. However iirc it was his editor that figured out his strength compared to the author of Fist of the Northstar was that he had a great sense of 3D space in his drawings, which makes fights more dynamic than in that series. This is imo at best to see in early DB's Tenkaichi Bodukai
Like I said tho, author's should have the last say in manga and sometimes gpimg against your editor's suggestion may be a good thing. Like apparently tournament's were the go to suggestion to make a manga popular with readers or for new arc's after the Tenkaichi Bodukai turned out to be hella popular. Hirohiko Araki, Jojo's author, was suggested to add one after Jojo Part 2, but felt it only creates a story where once you climed up the wall, there is nothing to go but higher, threats only increasing in power, so it made him think outside the box and how to battle the problem
Case and point editor's are a big part of writing, the truth some author's even get credit to their assistance assisting with the writing process in coming uo with a new ideas sometimes
Editors in japanese manga play a crucial role in the early stages of brainstorming and getting a series popular enough not to be canceled, but after they breakthrough they usually let the creator have more authority and control over what to do because they have proven they know what they are doing, it's an interesting relation really highlighted in anime shows/manga like Bakuman.
Too bad editors in western comics these days are sleep walking and letting amateurish writer/artists run legacy characters and franchises into the ground.
underrated video bro keep going like this u will be succesful
Appreciate it, thank you
i made it. it was me, guys.
Need more content like this about Naruto since there is alot to talk about, I love this video
Very interesting video, I love learning about the development of Naruto. I'm curious, do you have any source for the claim that Itachi was planned to secretly be a good guy from the very beginning?
Thanks! The claim comes from the Fuji TV special. No official translations for it unfortunately but check out the doc linked in the description for links. There are several recounts of the events by reputable members of the community and a low quality upload of the original interview currently exists on UA-cam (at least for now)
This video is so well written and edited, it was a really good experience to watch it! Thank you!! As a long time Naruto fan, I'm glad that both Kishimoto and Yahagi were able to create this master piece. As anything in life, there are flaws, but I think Naruto is one of the best manga of all time for sure.
Thanks a lot! I'm glad it was enjoyable!
Thank god for that editor. I liked all the early changes listed here. Especially Chunin Exams as thats what got me in the first place.
And yes! Kishimoto's art is so good and so easy to follow. I never knew until i started reading other manga just how messy or confusing it can be. Its not easy and Kishi does it effortlessly. And weekly too!
His editor left the boat after the pain saga and we feel it very well. Kishimoto had good ideas and was a talented artist, but he was never a talented screenwriter. The quality of the storyline dropped drastically after the Pain saga. Naruto manga had a realistic take on war and orphans and kishimoto turned into a manga about the power of friendship with asspulls and "obito is the coolest guy".
Fans often forget that a mangaka is nothing without a good editor. The Toriyama Torishima duo shows it very well. If the editor had stayed then Naruto would certainly be a masterpiece like dragon ball but unfortunately he left.
I still thank Kishimoto for hiring a screenwriter ( who has won numerous awards ) for the Boruto sequel. Storyline was really good, original and promising even if some Naruto fans hated it because they wanted to see the same thing as Naruto. Since Kishimoto returned to the scenario, the script no longer resembles anything. It feels like we're watching a teen sitcom.
The day manga fans understand that their favorite authors are not necessarily good screenwriters then we will take manga fans seriously. but currently no.
Always give the fans what they need and not what they want and his editor understood that well.
@@ClaclaT you are the smartest comment I’ve seen all day. Kishi is creative but nothing without an editor. He literally can’t even make a proper story without an editor hence many Naruto fans giving up on the series mid way through the war arc.
I don't know what crack you're smoking but there was literally chapters of the hokage being brought back talking about politics, war, and each ones individual approaches to it. War became more and more forefront to the settings and the characters progression. Obito thing has always been in line with his character anyone half paying attention or half an appreciation for the story outside of "cool fights cool" would be able to understand this.
Completely agree, an editor an mangaka is a relation ship. One doesn’t work without the other. Mangaka is pure creativity and an editor can channel that, it can’t happen other way round. Kishi and his brother are very creative, but so far all there other mangas are horrible seinen messes, the editor was clearly needed to even start naruto let alone write it. I don’t think it completely suffered after he left a lot of things were put together very well and his early story paid off a lot. I just think anything Kaguya related absolutely killed everything else. Obito was good, he was naruto and sasuke. Now him being backstabbed by madara was a stretch in itself but madara being back stabbed by zetsu who was puppeting for Kaguya (who was a unseen character and like not even talked about till like 50 chapters till the end or less) absolutely killed everything built up that whole long arc. Now can boruto happen without Kaguya prob, not do we want boruto? Ehhhh I’m always happy with naruto content and it’s doing good but it’s still building off a bad war arc, which makes me iffy. even though it’s really good.
@@Grind2Excellence Nobody cares, You can leave we don't GAF. Naruto's per volumes sales were consistent until the last 3 volumes. Naruto fans stayed.
lol this is wrong. Naruto is considered a masterpiece in Japan.
Also, Dragon Ball is literally power of frienship and asspulls lol
bruh! this channel about to blow, it has too! subscribed
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Hmm... I feel like they could have keept some of his rejected ideas. SOME OF THEM.
This video is amazingly good, wow. I was thinking of this too recently, the editor of Naruto came up with the character that the entire series revolved around, Sasuke. And Kishimoto's other works without Yahagi to help like Samurai 8 or Boruto haven't been all too well received huh... But yeah, your vid is amazing and can't wait to see what is next
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Kishimoto, this isn't hard.
what?
I think that without good editors you'll never have a good manga.
Why does the thumbnail look like Sasuke was about to kiss Naruto
Lol I thought the same and kept it that way cause it seemed like it would grab attention. People who saw different thumbnails will be confused by this comment though.
Iruka being manji is cool but don't forget neji has the manji symbol as his cursed seal
keep in mind this anime is 22 years old
Keep in mind that this manga is 26 years old
You have done incredible work with this video
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Good to see kishimoto give us Naruto, Shippuden and two blue vortex 🗿
I feel like if yahagi was around the war arc it would’ve been better because the war arc has the potential to be one of the greatest arc of all time
Skipping to the exams is so bad. In Shippuden we get told to tragically reminisce like“man remember all those awesome times with squad 7”but that simpler time just doesn’t exist so it feels disingenuous.
The Quality of this video is impressive for such a small channel. Keep it up!
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its hard to believe that ikemoto was part of the land of waves arc, because his designs in boruto are *awful* now. he oversexualizes female characters. though his style has improved a bit, the timeskip designs are bad, and i would much rather have kishimoto drawing boruto than him. or shingo kimura (retsuden manga.)
100% agree, boruto made me appreciate all the designs in naruto so much more, especially the girls
He's done a lot of great designs in Boruto, minus Sarada.
You just don't get it