I've ridden with a Giant Loop Great Basin for 4 or 5 years. No one has ever even opened my bags, much less stole something. Though they'd most likely get something that's worthless to them. I keep my valuables in my tank bag and bring it into restaurants and shops.
Mosko Moto makes great gear. I had two Reckless 80L bag systems both worked perfectly for our dualsport on/off road trips, but let's be realistic, even though we have never had anything taken from our gear left on the bike, no security system will prevent theft from soft or hard bag systems, both are easily accessible with a good knife or screwdriver. Impact in the right condition with destroying both hard and soft luggage, I have never lost functionality from my Touratech panniers or my Musko Moto gear, Killed the left outer holster on both my Reckless 80 bags by day two on two separate bikes one was at 10 miles per hour off-road in a rock garden and other at 50 MPH on a smooth sweeper corner covered with sand, while the outer shell is tough, the back or front where it attaches to the backing is not as tough and catches on a godown. Once set in the morning, I checked but never had to readjust my tension straps, except when adding or removing gear, those little pieces of velcro to bunch up the extra loose straps is a Godsent, I use to buy harbor freight double-sided velcro to do same, worked, but kept losing them when readjusting the straps especially after a ride, high marks to Mosko Moto for sewing the velcro to the straps. Ride comfort and windage are remarkable, like anything if you don't overload your bike and tune your suspension to the load you carry, you really can't feel the Mosko Moto gear behind, it stays firmly attached to your bike and you have no idea it back there on or off road. I pulled off to a soft shoulder above Santa Rolita Baja mexico onto what looked like black hard pack, turned out to be 6" deep pea gravel, AKA Quicksand, had control down to 2 MPH then bike caught and flipped onto my right leg, leg trapped under hard pannier, broke the leg above the right ankle, loosened boot, no compound fracture, though it was a sprain, rode 1,000 miles home to find it was broke, aluminum Happy-Trailes hard luggage only scratched. I could have just as easily broken my leg with soft luggage and a 500-pound bike crashing down on my leg, but I'm betting with soft luggage the likelihood of a fracture would have been less, or at least it would have been more comfortable trapped under a soft bag. I really wasn't that hard to extract myself out from under the hard pannier, a lot other hard-bag drama and danger is just drama. Bottom line ride what you like.
Another great video. Appreciate your honesty. You covered all the good and bad in your view.Thanks Tim. It is looking like Mosko Moto is supporting all the UA-cam long term adventure riders and I appreciate that. They are putting their product out there for a real life use, people that actually use the product to the full extent. Also Tim can you please do a short video review on your top box with the fuel storage( can) on top of it. Thanks. All the best and stay safe.
Good review,Tim! I rode with a guy that has the Mosko set up and got a chance to inspect them thoroughly. I was amazed at the quality! Nothing is perfect but a good running GS and Mosko bags is damn close!
My Mosko Brother!!!!!!!!!! Mosko Moto makes some seriously NO JOKE awesome gear as they ride and ride hard themselves! I love my Mosko setup and while yes there are challenges going to soft luggage, I truly believe when you are doing off road riding soft luggage is the ONLY option. Many people going from street to dirt do not realize that dropping the bike is GOING to happen and should happen occasionally if you are adventuring off road. This just comes with uneven and loose terrain, it does not mean you suck when you drop the bike rather that you are pushing yourself a little in terrain that is less predicable. I would like to emphasize that this does not mean go balls out and crash, I simply mean that the off road riding that the bike was made to do is different, the speeds are slower generally and the risk of tipping even when going to your kickstand is higher. I am no expert and don't claim to be but you know me and my philosophy is if you have not dropped the bike you have not found the fun off road yet ;) Soft luggage not only takes the falls without denting, but is much safer to have your various body parts come into contact with.
@@FTAAdventures Thanks, I am surprised after how slow I was that you liked them lol. However we both know that was user error lol. Got my rear tire change finally took me a fat minute but I have had it since we went to Arizona not bad huh!
I ride with some guys using these and for the most part they do the job, though the guys always seen a little frustrated with them, access is a pain. I use a set of $18 horse saddle bags and a old army duffle bag (that I found on the IDBDR last year)all lined with contractor bags, easy access, tons of room, indestructible....
Rockbreaker I’ve been looking at bags for a while. Everything is priced out of reach. I can reproduce their efforts with low cost bags that look great and are durable. Thnx for the encouragement.
I got my Backcountry 2.0 bags when I decided to start doing BDR rides. The OEM bags that I had for my Africa Twin are plastic and wouldn’t survive an unscheduled dismount. While doing the expert section of the MABDR my bike decided to take a nap. These bags took it and each other drop like a champ. These might be the best bags I’ve ever used.
A friend of mine has these bags and he has sewn some magnets into the straps. Just little ones, enough to hold in the wind, i suppose you might be able to glue them on also.
Hi Tim, hope you are in excellent health. The Panniers look very good! I am very used to my hard cases. When I leave the bike in town, I get the illusion that what is there is safe... Thanks for the video, keep safe
Hi Tim, I can absolutely agree with you. With some experience, I can also say that soft luggage is better than an aluminum case. And as you have noticed yourself, I can break the lock on the suitcase just as quickly ... The key to soft luggage is, as you have also determined ... the weight saving! But I use my top case made of aluminum, because I put my photo and video equipment here and I don’t want to miss the quick opening and closing of the top case. Greetings from Michael from Germany!
I have the exact same bags and I love them. I am amazed at the quality of the material and construction. Lots of thought put into the design. On the downside, this quarantine has kept me from traveling. But this too shall pass. I did get the security straps to lock them down. Ride safe....thanks for sharing.
Thanks Jim, glad you are happy with yours too! The quality of these is great, super rugged. I am looking at that security strap they offer, I was using a retractable cable lock and it isn't really great for me.
I share the same thoughts you have on soft panniers. I am using Kriega. No matter soft or hard panniers theives have a way of digging into it, whether they wanted to do it or not. When I am away from the bike I use alarm locks locking at/near the opening. That's just my way of securing it. Well at least something.....😅
Always appreciate the content. Two things to look at in future videos (especially as this seems to be something you’re doing kinda professionally) and that’s focus - if you set it, you need to understand how depth of field works and set it appropriately to ensure you’re in focus when doing pieces to camera. Secondly, sound. Get a decent lapel mic or similar. Both of these things have been recurring areas for improvement in your vids and if you got on top of would make good videos great. Keep up the good work. 😎👍🏼
Thanks for the review. I've been leaning towards soft cases for a while and this just helps confirm my decision. Appreciate it and glad you made it back to the States and doing well.
Nice review! I have a few Mosko Moto pieces on my G310GS and plan on switching to soft luggage on my R1200GSA for the same reasons you mentioned. I also have the same concern about security. When I am away from my bike for an extended period of time, such as going for a long hike, I run a cable lock through my helmet, jacket, pants, bags, etc., and put the bike cover on. It may not be totally theft-proof but it keeps honest people honest, plus it gives me a bit of piece of mind while partaking in whichever activity I happen to be doing. Cheers!
for the inconvenience of the straps, try sewing strips of velcro on them. I've done that with my camera sling bag for example, and I don't see why it wouldn't work here too.
This is by far my favorite pannier system, but unfortunately I havent located a good two-sided rack system for my bike (Triumph Scrambler 1200 XE) that will accommodate it. If someone knows of one, please let me know. But backup plan is Mosko's Reckless 80 v3.0. Biggest concern really is security also. I'm fine with using steelcore straps on this system, but not sure what I will do with the Reckless 80. Edit- Reckless 80 is also lockable with straps, just seems less secure than the backcountry pannier system. But workable. Mosko Moto customer service is top notch.
Hepco Becker proposes to build a rack (left and right) either at approx. 480 € custom made or at approx. 280 € (VAT included) if I succeed in finding 5 people buying such a rack, so that they may start a series production. If you are interested contact me at 'albatros22@web.de'
Sometime btw now and June we will release a new locking system that's been brewing for a while. Much lighter, smaller, sexier - all the things! Soon friends, soon. Stay tuned.
Another great video. Keep it up (Both the videos and the bike!) To keep the excess straps from flapping in the wind I have 1" wide elastic loops slid onto the stap between the bag and the buckle. They are just tight enough so they slide up and down the strap easily. That way I fold up the excess strap into about 3" folds and tuck it all under elastic loops. They work perfectly. (Hope I explained myself ok)
Great review Tim. I used soft panniers when I did our Outback trip in 2019. Mainly due to a lot of off road riding. My son Jono and I are planning a North and South America trip next year so luggage is a consideration. Only downside for me is security as we will want to explore off the bikes and I did find accessing things in the soft panniers was a bit of a pain but not a big issue. Thanks for a great vid
Great review as I have been debating changing over. You nailed my two concerns, security and constant strap adjusting. Love the convenience of boxes but you only have to drop once to hate them. Interested in the top box set up you are doing.
Awesome! Been looking forward to this and the upcoming Nomad Tank Bag review! Particularly interested in the latter in comparison to the small BMW GS tank bag. I have hard boxes and also a set of Wolfman Rocky Mountain bags.. these seem so much more versatile but do get your point about the straps! May be some hard and soft panniers for sale shortly! 🤣😉 Thanks Tim!
You will be the flavour of the month with Mosko Moto Tim, you don't get a better endorsement of a product than that. Must agree what brilliant panniers. You got all the big and small nuiances across .....I find with mine( Australian) given opportunity again I would definitely go for Mosko. I particularly like the quick detachable plate that attaches to the main pannier frames. With my Africa Twin the Acropovic on the right side means to keep widths even the right pannier is smaller because the exhuast takes up valuable space. You spoke of different sizes available and I'm wondering if your exhaust system caused you to apply one smaller than the other!! Great review👌
Thanks Darryl, they are awesome panniers. I could have gone with the off set panniers to compensate for my exhaust on the right but I decided it wouldn't be too big of a deal. The hard cases I had were off set and it always bothered me when I was trying to balance things, not too much but enough for me to try two the same size.
You hit the nail on its head!! I use Mosko Motos and am always worried about my stuff being nicked while in a store or on a hike. I've expressed my concerns to the company but they kept coming back at me with their locking strap. The strap is inconvenient, heavy, and feels like an afterthought. I hope they're watching your video and take note. Having said that, another company I'm eyeing is Lone Rider, they already have a seemingly good locking mechanism. Have you reviewed them before?
Hey Souheil! Ash here from Mosko. We've got a new lock in development, which should be available within the next couple of months that will solve all of the issues discussed. Can't wait to share it. Check out our blog for sneak peek photos and info on the decision making and development. We totally agree the steelcore straps are quite bulky and obtrusive, I never carried them myself - way too much hassle - they were just a temporary fix while we developed a custom item. Stay tuned (:
For the flappy straps, they should put magnets inside, would be better then velcro! Thank you Tim, I love your videos. I do like my hard panniers on my 1200 GS Adventure, but it’s true that they are not waterproof anymore, since I drop it a lot too, during off-road! I will probably change to your setup. So, yeah, your opinions are really useful to me, keep the good work!
Hey Sylvain! We tried various magnets during early product development, and with our tool rolls as well - unfortunately there is so much metal in the dirt, the magnets get jammed up straight away and loose their efficacy.
Great review, Tim! Appreciate the detail and your opinion. I too, prefer soft luggage, but since I live in South America, security is a big concern. Sure, thieves could easily pry open a plastic or aluminum side case with a screw driver or stout knife. So, I haven’t decided yet which to get yet.
Great review! I also have the nomad and 35L panniers and agree with everything you said. I think the lockability (making up words) is a lot better than the other brand duffel bags I’ve used. At least mosko has somewhat sturdy slots to slide locking straps or cables through. Not magical for quick lockup or as comforting as the modern BMW hard cases, but darn good options for what it is, (with a lot of fiddling heh).
Great video! I love these soft panniers. I'm just as nit-picky as you though 😎👍 I find that just about everything I buy I end up customizing...90% of the time I use some velcro strips an upholstery sewing kit because it comes with large gauge sewing needles. I wish i had a video but, a buddy of mine ran a small bar through the inside of one pannier, underneath the cowl and to the inside of the other and attached mending plates to each end...the mending plates ran the width of the inside mounting bracket of the panniers which served as a "backboard" so-to-speak to support the mending plates. He rides his FZ07 around the city when he's home so he's not constantly taking them off and putting them back on whenever he takes a trip. It's a pretty high-maintenance trick but it provides a super level of security.
Great review, my friend, look like awesome bags. I'd planned on making an upgrade this Spring (IDK if I'll be doing it with all the crap going on in the world right now though), great video! Stay safe, brother 😊✌
Great review, Tim! I will be buying a more BDR capable bike in the future and these Mosko bags seem to be a great option for soft luggage. It would be hard to give up the added security of hard luggage though, but the tradeoff might make it worth it, like you said. Thanks again for another great video.
Thanks Jess! These are definitely worth considering for BDR riding. Good luck, hope all is well over there, glad to see you are still able to get out and camp a little.
Tim, thanks so much for the nit picking area, that's what I needed to here to continue on to purchase from Mosko Moto, question?? What pants do you have on? I like the style and color? Cheers from Montana!
so did I understand you right? you got 2 x35L bags and you opted NOT to go with the offset??? Your exhaust wasn't an issue? I have a 1250 gsa and want to make sure the exhaust wont be an issue if I get 2 x 35L. Again....another great, honest review!!!
Thank you for all the info 👍👍👍👍 Can you tell me, qhen you don't use the Pannier and the bike drop , the plastic parts on the rack are tough enough ... Thank you
For the straps. Don't roll it all the way to the buckle stop a couple of inches away. Then if you have to adjust you will have a little piece to pull on. Just a thought I don't have these bags.
Hey man kinda funny you switched to soft luggage as well. I made the decision to do the same this year, the giant metal boxes too often end up restricting riding off road and if nothing are a big barbell throwing off balance/handling. I'm going a slightly different route, I'm gonna keep my top box, replace the pillion seat with a rotopax, and put a Giant Loop great Basin on top of that. On my bike both side cases/racks come out to 27lbs empty whereas the Giant Loop weighs only 6 empty and is tight to the bike. That means that I'm right off the bat saving 21lbs and losing nothing. In fact lol It gives me a better way to store tent poles and a fishing rod which so many struggle with who use side cases, so it's a win.
@@FTAAdventures Thanks man, really trying to get away from the dreadnaught feel. Yah it's a 1200 but I started weighing stuff and doing a double take. 27lbs empty side cases and racks, 10lbs tool kit, etc. Stay safe on the trip with everything going on.
That little stash pocket holds the locking cables ;) also you can roll the loose ends and just velcro it to itself, you dont have to tuck it behind the strap
@@MoskoMoto Been wanting a set for a while. Have bought four other brands, and had two others from other bikes. Always looking for just the right ones. Moskos are it! Only issue I had installing is that I didnt like the upper adapter attachment on my particular racks (not Moskos problem) and made my own. Already started packing for my next trip...whenever and wherever that will be!
As time goes by i'm seeing myself going towards the soft panniers but the safety situation is something that still doesn't make me move (yes, i know that hard panniers are not exceptional secure). Mosko has the Steelcore Luggage Locking Strap (which i think is the most secure system they have) but honestly, isn't just too easy to cut that off? It makes me wonder that if i would leave the bike somewhere, i would be always thinking about it: "are the bags safe".
A question about your Mosko Moto 35 L Backcountry bags. Did you use packing cubes inside the bags to keep all your gear organized? If so, what brand did you use and what sizes?
Thanks for the review. Have you done a review on other bags? I am looking at a "Touratech waterproof adventure bag". So it is this type of bag. Just wondering your opinion on this or other bags of this type. I am kind of new to this hobby and I am in the process of outfitting my bike. Gathering info. Thanks a bunch. Great channel and great info.
Good info Tim !! I really have been looking at Mosko products a lot lately. Will probably be my next purchase. Safe travels bro !! Oh yea, no nude beaches in Mexico ?? Haha
A great and honest review Tim, top job. I've the 2018 version of the BackCountry and they are faultless. This product has had some great thought, effort and quality invested in them and it shows for all the reasons you've given. It can be tough considering the cost versus metal panniers, though these make more sense on so many levels; love #moskomoto
I am considering a 3000 mile trip to Sweden. Some days we will be leaving our luggage in the tents when we head out through the trails. One major concern I have is what happens if you drop the bike. Is the flat panel that holds the bags on the bike easily damaged. Or if it does get damaged is it metal that could possibly be beaten into shape again Or is it plastic that can break in half. Obviously that would not be handy if I have 1000 mile ride home
I'm a little late to see this review - but great job Tim. I am currently shopping for an ADV bike and will add some soft luggage, so this helps me out greatly. One question, since the various "side pannier" systems require a rack to mount to, had you considered a rackless/reckless system? My concern is dumping the bike, and while the soft bags probably won't do any damage, the pannier racks 'could' bend the frame/subframe, etc. It seems like a true rackless system would remedy this. But as with everything, there are tradeoffs. I'm curious as to your thoughts ? Thanks, Dan.
Hi mate, i just ordered mosco 80L rackless bags, but I would like to have endurable hard topcase for electronics like you have. What are you using? Thx a lot
Phil, I am not sure about that, I am guessing with some modifications you could get that to work though. They come off super easy for going into a motel.
Hey ... for a lockable soft pannier, have you seen the Bumot bags? They lock to the pannier frame so might be what you’re looking for. Great vid BTW! 👍
I'll say this. The security aspect of soft luggage will always be an illusion. A sharp heavy duty knife will cut through them like butter in the hands of a motivated thief. Get hard bags to travel in places where security is an issue. That said... I hear people every day, multiple times nearly every day, complaining about how we have become a consuming society and "everything is throw away anymore." These may be manufactured overseas (Vietnam) but the quality of the materials and overall construction is better than anything else like them out there on the market. Can a person make their own system with other types of bags? Possibly, but it won't be the same. I've been there done that and have used everything from contractor bags to Filsons to milsurp duffles to Moskos to packing my clothes and tools in igloo coolers flying to the north and south poles. These bags, and the whole Mosko Moto line, is worth every penny for someone looking for a virtually indestructible product with the 'little things' built in that are very hard to duplicate for even more money.
What about security wise? What I love about hard paneers is I feel safer leaving my bike out of eye sight and going about my business. With soft paneers I wouldn't leave my bike hanging around.
I will work on that, I have a friend that might let me borrow his bike for a review like that. Might be a bit before I can get over there though. As soon as I can my friend!
Hey Tim...I can see that you are concerned about security and locking your gear when you leave your bike. I have traveled across the USA several times, alone and with others on a motorcycle. I share the same anxiety at the start of most trips. It seems those feelings of theft and loss while on the road, subside in a few days after traveling for a short period. I tend to rationalize it by by reminding myself it has never happened, yet. I try to use some common sense by not parking in low light areas, behind buildings or out of sight. Have you ever lost anything? or has anything ever been taken while you were traveling? ...just wondering. D
I look at it this way. The bike is insured if it gets stolen. Rarely is the stuff in the bags insured and if it is, it likely wouldn’t cover the deductible. I love my Mosko bags but I too would love a little bit more “illusion” of security. I’ve never had anything stolen on a trip but I’m not looking forward to that first time.
These look awesome, wish I had bought these instead of the crappy ones and crappy service from Alt Rider. Could you use one of those steel mesh things you did a review on a while ago? Wrap it around the bag and secure it on somehow?
Thanks Mike. I don't think the PacSafe net is large enough for these. There are a few retractable cables and steelcore straps that seem to work but they are just so bulky.
Thanks, Tim. I've got the Reckless 80 and use Steel Core straps to lock the 80 to the bike and close of its "saddlebags". Could probably use the Steel Core on the Mosko panniers. Mosko has a clip on their site that shows how they use the Steel Core with their 80. cheers
Hi DreamRider. I can't honestly say, I have not called them as a customer. I have heard of other people having good customer support from them though. They are a small company so somethings might take time but I am sure they will make any wrong right.
You know what! you are the most positive and honest moto vloger out there man. Keep up the good work
Agree with this statement, Tim is the man!
I've ridden with a Giant Loop Great Basin for 4 or 5 years. No one has ever even opened my bags, much less stole something. Though they'd most likely get something that's worthless to them. I keep my valuables in my tank bag and bring it into restaurants and shops.
Mosko Moto makes great gear. I had two Reckless 80L bag systems both worked perfectly for our dualsport on/off road trips, but let's be realistic, even though we have never had anything taken from our gear left on the bike, no security system will prevent theft from soft or hard bag systems, both are easily accessible with a good knife or screwdriver. Impact in the right condition with destroying both hard and soft luggage, I have never lost functionality from my Touratech panniers or my Musko Moto gear, Killed the left outer holster on both my Reckless 80 bags by day two on two separate bikes one was at 10 miles per hour off-road in a rock garden and other at 50 MPH on a smooth sweeper corner covered with sand, while the outer shell is tough, the back or front where it attaches to the backing is not as tough and catches on a godown. Once set in the morning, I checked but never had to readjust my tension straps, except when adding or removing gear, those little pieces of velcro to bunch up the extra loose straps is a Godsent, I use to buy harbor freight double-sided velcro to do same, worked, but kept losing them when readjusting the straps especially after a ride, high marks to Mosko Moto for sewing the velcro to the straps. Ride comfort and windage are remarkable, like anything if you don't overload your bike and tune your suspension to the load you carry, you really can't feel the Mosko Moto gear behind, it stays firmly attached to your bike and you have no idea it back there on or off road. I pulled off to a soft shoulder above Santa Rolita Baja mexico onto what looked like black hard pack, turned out to be 6" deep pea gravel, AKA Quicksand, had control down to 2 MPH then bike caught and flipped onto my right leg, leg trapped under hard pannier, broke the leg above the right ankle, loosened boot, no compound fracture, though it was a sprain, rode 1,000 miles home to find it was broke, aluminum Happy-Trailes hard luggage only scratched. I could have just as easily broken my leg with soft luggage and a 500-pound bike crashing down on my leg, but I'm betting with soft luggage the likelihood of a fracture would have been less, or at least it would have been more comfortable trapped under a soft bag. I really wasn't that hard to extract myself out from under the hard pannier, a lot other hard-bag drama and danger is just drama. Bottom line ride what you like.
Another great video. Appreciate your honesty. You covered all the good and bad in your view.Thanks Tim. It is looking like Mosko Moto is supporting all the UA-cam long term adventure riders and I appreciate that. They are putting their product out there for a real life use, people that actually use the product to the full extent. Also Tim can you please do a short video review on your top box with the fuel storage( can) on top of it. Thanks. All the best and stay safe.
Thanks Vladimir! They are a great company and I definitely appreciate their support. I will be sure to talk about the top box setup soon, thanks!
Good review,Tim! I rode with a guy that has the Mosko set up and got a chance to inspect them thoroughly. I was amazed at the quality!
Nothing is perfect but a good running GS and Mosko bags is damn close!
Thanks for this review mate. It was instrumental in my 35s arriving today. Nice work.
My Mosko Brother!!!!!!!!!!
Mosko Moto makes some seriously NO JOKE awesome gear as they ride and ride hard themselves!
I love my Mosko setup and while yes there are challenges going to soft luggage, I truly believe when you are doing off road riding soft luggage is the ONLY option.
Many people going from street to dirt do not realize that dropping the bike is GOING to happen and should happen occasionally if you are adventuring off road. This just comes with uneven and loose terrain, it does not mean you suck when you drop the bike rather that you are pushing yourself a little in terrain that is less predicable.
I would like to emphasize that this does not mean go balls out and crash, I simply mean that the off road riding that the bike was made to do is different, the speeds are slower generally and the risk of tipping even when going to your kickstand is higher.
I am no expert and don't claim to be but you know me and my philosophy is if you have not dropped the bike you have not found the fun off road yet ;)
Soft luggage not only takes the falls without denting, but is much safer to have your various body parts come into contact with.
Thanks bro! I got the idea from you in Idaho. They really are awesome. Well said man!
@@FTAAdventures Thanks, I am surprised after how slow I was that you liked them lol.
However we both know that was user error lol.
Got my rear tire change finally took me a fat minute but I have had it since we went to Arizona not bad huh!
I ride with some guys using these and for the most part they do the job, though the guys always seen a little frustrated with them, access is a pain. I use a set of $18 horse saddle bags and a old army duffle bag (that I found on the IDBDR last year)all lined with contractor bags, easy access, tons of room, indestructible....
Rockbreaker
I’ve been looking at bags for a while. Everything is priced out of reach. I can reproduce their efforts with low cost bags that look great and are durable.
Thnx for the encouragement.
Ash from Mosko is doing a good job on comments! Tims vlogs are excellent & based on experience. Great info at very low cost!
Thx Tim, I've ordered the same set. I also ordered the cable lock system, something is better than nothing as a deterrent.
Being nitpickey is the key to a great review! I am definitely going to try their products. Best!
I got my Backcountry 2.0 bags when I decided to start doing BDR rides. The OEM bags that I had for my Africa Twin are plastic and wouldn’t survive an unscheduled dismount. While doing the expert section of the MABDR my bike decided to take a nap. These bags took it and each other drop like a champ. These might be the best bags I’ve ever used.
A friend of mine has these bags and he has sewn some magnets into the straps. Just little ones, enough to hold in the wind, i suppose you might be able to glue them on also.
Hey Tim, I just ordered a set of these (switching from another brand) after watching you use them. Hope all is well in your world. Cheers.
Hi Tim, hope you are in excellent health.
The Panniers look very good! I am very used to my hard cases. When I leave the bike in town, I get the illusion that what is there is safe...
Thanks for the video, keep safe
Hi ravLog, thank you! Same to you. I felt the same with my hard panniers.
Hi Tim, I can absolutely agree with you. With some experience, I can also say that soft luggage is better than an aluminum case. And as you have noticed yourself, I can break the lock on the suitcase just as quickly ... The key to soft luggage is, as you have also determined ... the weight saving! But I use my top case made of aluminum, because I put my photo and video equipment here and I don’t want to miss the quick opening and closing of the top case. Greetings from Michael from Germany!
Well done, articulate, honest pros and cons, real helpful. Thank you.
I've been looking seriously at their stuff. Great review, thanks for putting it together!
Thanks! Their gear is a great option. Good luck!
FINALLY!!!! I have been waiting for this review :-) thank you!
Thanks Rik!
I have the Mosko Moto panniers and have not looked back. So well made they hold their shape when empty.
:) yay! Thanks Jim.
Awesome, thanks mate... I bought some of these after watching your review 😎👍
They are sooooooo well made...
I have the exact same bags and I love them. I am amazed at the quality of the material and construction. Lots of thought put into the design. On the downside, this quarantine has kept me from traveling. But this too shall pass.
I did get the security straps to lock them down.
Ride safe....thanks for sharing.
Thanks Jim, glad you are happy with yours too! The quality of these is great, super rugged. I am looking at that security strap they offer, I was using a retractable cable lock and it isn't really great for me.
Just added to my Moto Guzzi V85 TT. Beautiful bags and you are right, the attention to detail and all the features built in is amazing.
I share the same thoughts you have on soft panniers. I am using Kriega. No matter soft or hard panniers theives have a way of digging into it, whether they wanted to do it or not. When I am away from the bike I use alarm locks locking at/near the opening. That's just my way of securing it. Well at least something.....😅
Great review. Mosko Moto gear is so well designed and practical. I couldn't be happier with mine. Have duffel bag, panniers and tank bag from Mosko.
Love my rackless 80's and NOMAD tank bag... great gear, great company
The Nomad is great too, reviewing that soon. They are a great company.
Always appreciate the content. Two things to look at in future videos (especially as this seems to be something you’re doing kinda professionally) and that’s focus - if you set it, you need to understand how depth of field works and set it appropriately to ensure you’re in focus when doing pieces to camera. Secondly, sound. Get a decent lapel mic or similar. Both of these things have been recurring areas for improvement in your vids and if you got on top of would make good videos great. Keep up the good work. 😎👍🏼
Great review, Tim. I bought their Nomad Tank Bag at the Dallas IMS this year and I love it!
Thanks Michael! The Nomad is great, I will be reviewing mine soon. Glad to hear you are happy with yours!
I ran 35s during an RTW. Did lots of drops and plops. The bags never failed us. They are tough stuff.
Thanks for the review. I've been leaning towards soft cases for a while and this just helps confirm my decision. Appreciate it and glad you made it back to the States and doing well.
Thanks Randy, I have been happy with the switch, although I am still getting used to lack of security. Still think it is totally worth it.
Nice review! I have a few Mosko Moto pieces on my G310GS and plan on switching to soft luggage on my R1200GSA for the same reasons you mentioned. I also have the same concern about security. When I am away from my bike for an extended period of time, such as going for a long hike, I run a cable lock through my helmet, jacket, pants, bags, etc., and put the bike cover on. It may not be totally theft-proof but it keeps honest people honest, plus it gives me a bit of piece of mind while partaking in whichever activity I happen to be doing. Cheers!
They look great and seem to be a great asset for your travels invaluable!
Thanks!
for the inconvenience of the straps, try sewing strips of velcro on them. I've done that with my camera sling bag for example, and I don't see why it wouldn't work here too.
Thanks, that is a great idea!
@@FTAAdventures on a different topic, though it is gear-related: what's your experience and choice for a cell phone mount?
This is by far my favorite pannier system, but unfortunately I havent located a good two-sided rack system for my bike (Triumph Scrambler 1200 XE) that will accommodate it. If someone knows of one, please let me know. But backup plan is Mosko's Reckless 80 v3.0. Biggest concern really is security also. I'm fine with using steelcore straps on this system, but not sure what I will do with the Reckless 80. Edit- Reckless 80 is also lockable with straps, just seems less secure than the backcountry pannier system. But workable. Mosko Moto customer service is top notch.
Hepco Becker proposes to build a rack (left and right) either at approx. 480 € custom made or at approx. 280 € (VAT included) if I succeed in finding 5 people buying such a rack, so that they may start a series production. If you are interested contact me at 'albatros22@web.de'
Sometime btw now and June we will release a new locking system that's been brewing for a while. Much lighter, smaller, sexier - all the things! Soon friends, soon. Stay tuned.
@@MoskoMoto Excellent. Whatever I end up getting, it will be a Mosko product. I love the thought you all put into your gear.
Another great video. Keep it up (Both the videos and the bike!)
To keep the excess straps from flapping in the wind I have 1" wide elastic loops slid onto the stap between the bag and the buckle. They are just tight enough so they slide up and down the strap easily. That way I fold up the excess strap into about 3" folds and tuck it all under elastic loops. They work perfectly. (Hope I explained myself ok)
Great review Tim. I used soft panniers when I did our Outback trip in 2019. Mainly due to a lot of off road riding. My son Jono and I are planning a North and South America trip next year so luggage is a consideration. Only downside for me is security as we will want to explore off the bikes and I did find accessing things in the soft panniers was a bit of a pain but not a big issue. Thanks for a great vid
Great review as I have been debating changing over. You nailed my two concerns, security and constant strap adjusting. Love the convenience of boxes but you only have to drop once to hate them. Interested in the top box set up you are doing.
Chris, I will be sure to talk about the top box setup soon. Thanks!
Awesome! Been looking forward to this and the upcoming Nomad Tank Bag review! Particularly interested in the latter in comparison to the small BMW GS tank bag. I have hard boxes and also a set of Wolfman Rocky Mountain bags.. these seem so much more versatile but do get your point about the straps! May be some hard and soft panniers for sale shortly! 🤣😉 Thanks Tim!
Thanks Ron, that review is coming soon. I will be sure to compare it to other tank bags I have tried, including the BMW one.
You will be the flavour of the month with Mosko Moto Tim, you don't get a better endorsement of a product than that. Must agree what brilliant panniers. You got all the big and small nuiances across .....I find with mine( Australian) given opportunity again I would definitely go for Mosko. I particularly like the quick detachable plate that attaches to the main pannier frames. With my Africa Twin the Acropovic on the right side means to keep widths even the right pannier is smaller because the exhuast takes up valuable space. You spoke of different sizes available and I'm wondering if your exhaust system caused you to apply one smaller than the other!! Great review👌
Thanks Darryl, they are awesome panniers. I could have gone with the off set panniers to compensate for my exhaust on the right but I decided it wouldn't be too big of a deal. The hard cases I had were off set and it always bothered me when I was trying to balance things, not too much but enough for me to try two the same size.
You hit the nail on its head!! I use Mosko Motos and am always worried about my stuff being nicked while in a store or on a hike. I've expressed my concerns to the company but they kept coming back at me with their locking strap. The strap is inconvenient, heavy, and feels like an afterthought. I hope they're watching your video and take note.
Having said that, another company I'm eyeing is Lone Rider, they already have a seemingly good locking mechanism. Have you reviewed them before?
Hey Souheil! Ash here from Mosko. We've got a new lock in development, which should be available within the next couple of months that will solve all of the issues discussed. Can't wait to share it. Check out our blog for sneak peek photos and info on the decision making and development. We totally agree the steelcore straps are quite bulky and obtrusive, I never carried them myself - way too much hassle - they were just a temporary fix while we developed a custom item. Stay tuned (:
For the flappy straps, they should put magnets inside, would be better then velcro! Thank you Tim, I love your videos. I do like my hard panniers on my 1200 GS Adventure, but it’s true that they are not waterproof anymore, since I drop it a lot too, during off-road! I will probably change to your setup. So, yeah, your opinions are really useful to me, keep the good work!
Hey Sylvain! We tried various magnets during early product development, and with our tool rolls as well - unfortunately there is so much metal in the dirt, the magnets get jammed up straight away and loose their efficacy.
Great review, Tim! Appreciate the detail and your opinion. I too, prefer soft luggage, but since I live in South America, security is a big concern. Sure, thieves could easily pry open a plastic or aluminum side case with a screw driver or stout knife. So, I haven’t decided yet which to get yet.
Excellent review. You sold me. I was pro hard panniers, until now. I also sew as well.
Great review! I also have the nomad and 35L panniers and agree with everything you said. I think the lockability (making up words) is a lot better than the other brand duffel bags I’ve used. At least mosko has somewhat sturdy slots to slide locking straps or cables through. Not magical for quick lockup or as comforting as the modern BMW hard cases, but darn good options for what it is, (with a lot of fiddling heh).
Great review 👍 I'll keep my hard cases for now but when I wear these out I'll definitely get mosko moto
Thanks David. Great plan!
Great bags. I recently got the same ones and I can agree they are amazing.
Thanks! They are great. Hope all is well!
FTA Adventures all it doing great thank you.
Great video! I love these soft panniers. I'm just as nit-picky as you though 😎👍 I find that just about everything I buy I end up customizing...90% of the time I use some velcro strips an upholstery sewing kit because it comes with large gauge sewing needles. I wish i had a video but, a buddy of mine ran a small bar through the inside of one pannier, underneath the cowl and to the inside of the other and attached mending plates to each end...the mending plates ran the width of the inside mounting bracket of the panniers which served as a "backboard" so-to-speak to support the mending plates. He rides his FZ07 around the city when he's home so he's not constantly taking them off and putting them back on whenever he takes a trip. It's a pretty high-maintenance trick but it provides a super level of security.
Good review. Thanks for sharing! I’ve been a fan of the Mosko brand for a while. I have their tank bag, and I love it.
The Mosko Brand is a fan of you Jeremy Kroeker. Miss ya buddy!
thanks for the convincing review, converted me to a mosko moto client
Great review, my friend, look like awesome bags. I'd planned on making an upgrade this Spring (IDK if I'll be doing it with all the crap going on in the world right now though), great video! Stay safe, brother 😊✌
Great review, Tim! I will be buying a more BDR capable bike in the future and these Mosko bags seem to be a great option for soft luggage. It would be hard to give up the added security of hard luggage though, but the tradeoff might make it worth it, like you said. Thanks again for another great video.
Thanks Jess! These are definitely worth considering for BDR riding. Good luck, hope all is well over there, glad to see you are still able to get out and camp a little.
Honest unbiased review. Thank you so much. for this nice video.
You sold me! Thanks from Montreal!
Tim, check out Steelcore security straps.
Thanks will do!
I got the offset version, wish I woulda just got the 35l set
Why is that? I'm looking at getting the full 35L set but km concerned about the width of the bike. Is the extra room worth it?
Tim, thanks so much for the nit picking area, that's what I needed to here to continue on to purchase from Mosko Moto, question?? What pants do you have on? I like the style and color?
Cheers from Montana!
so did I understand you right? you got 2 x35L bags and you opted NOT to go with the offset??? Your exhaust wasn't an issue? I have a 1250 gsa and want to make sure the exhaust wont be an issue if I get 2 x 35L. Again....another great, honest review!!!
Thank you for all the info 👍👍👍👍
Can you tell me, qhen you don't use the Pannier and the bike drop , the plastic parts on the rack are tough enough ...
Thank you
For the straps. Don't roll it all the way to the buckle stop a couple of inches away. Then if you have to adjust you will have a little piece to pull on. Just a thought I don't have these bags.
Great tip, I tried it and it world much better. I was worried things would come loose but they hold tight, much easier. Thanks!
Smart comments regarding your review.
-you should really get scooped up by some companies’s Research and Development groups.
Thanks Edd, I hope so!
Hey man kinda funny you switched to soft luggage as well. I made the decision to do the same this year, the giant metal boxes too often end up restricting riding off road and if nothing are a big barbell throwing off balance/handling. I'm going a slightly different route, I'm gonna keep my top box, replace the pillion seat with a rotopax, and put a Giant Loop great Basin on top of that. On my bike both side cases/racks come out to 27lbs empty whereas the Giant Loop weighs only 6 empty and is tight to the bike. That means that I'm right off the bat saving 21lbs and losing nothing. In fact lol It gives me a better way to store tent poles and a fishing rod which so many struggle with who use side cases, so it's a win.
Hi Nathan, sounds like a great setup you are working out. Sounds like a win win! Good luck!
@@FTAAdventures Thanks man, really trying to get away from the dreadnaught feel. Yah it's a 1200 but I started weighing stuff and doing a double take. 27lbs empty side cases and racks, 10lbs tool kit, etc. Stay safe on the trip with everything going on.
That little stash pocket holds the locking cables ;) also you can roll the loose ends and just velcro it to itself, you dont have to tuck it behind the strap
Thanks! That makes perfect sense with the straps, I will do that.
@@FTAAdventures looking forward to getting you the new custom Sinox locks when they're in stock. Talk to you soon buddy!
No question the Moskos are top tier. So good even BMW sells them as their Atacama line =)
I agree!
@@FTAAdventures Dont tell anybody, but Mosko is clearing out their 35L V1 for $500. Just ordered a set =)
@@orangelion03 Shhhhh (: just kidding, tell everyone, please! ha!
@@orangelion03 btw... thanks for the purchase, we really appreciate it!
@@MoskoMoto Been wanting a set for a while. Have bought four other brands, and had two others from other bikes. Always looking for just the right ones. Moskos are it! Only issue I had installing is that I didnt like the upper adapter attachment on my particular racks (not Moskos problem) and made my own. Already started packing for my next trip...whenever and wherever that will be!
You sold me. Went right to their website. To purchase their bags. Annnnd their sold out of every size of soft luggage they sell.
Will be ordering when back in stock
Nice first aide location bro!!!
As time goes by i'm seeing myself going towards the soft panniers but the safety situation is something that still doesn't make me move (yes, i know that hard panniers are not exceptional secure).
Mosko has the Steelcore Luggage Locking Strap (which i think is the most secure system they have) but honestly, isn't just too easy to cut that off?
It makes me wonder that if i would leave the bike somewhere, i would be always thinking about it: "are the bags safe".
Will the bag mounting plate attach to a sw motech pro bracket which is flat stamped aluminum and not round ??
A question about your Mosko Moto 35 L Backcountry bags. Did you use packing cubes inside the bags to keep all your gear organized?
If so, what brand did you use and what sizes?
Very good video man !! Just got my 2021 f750gs and thinking about buying those on 25 liters
What part of Mexico did you go Baja ??
Thanks for the review. Have you done a review on other bags? I am looking at a "Touratech waterproof adventure bag". So it is this type of bag. Just wondering your opinion on this or other bags of this type. I am kind of new to this hobby and I am in the process of outfitting my bike. Gathering info.
Thanks a bunch. Great channel and great info.
Good info Tim !! I really have been looking at Mosko products a lot lately. Will probably be my next purchase. Safe travels bro !! Oh yea, no nude beaches in Mexico ?? Haha
A great and honest review Tim, top job. I've the 2018 version of the BackCountry and they are faultless. This product has had some great thought, effort and quality invested in them and it shows for all the reasons you've given. It can be tough considering the cost versus metal panniers, though these make more sense on so many levels; love #moskomoto
Gareth thank you my friend. I agree
I am considering a 3000 mile trip to Sweden. Some days we will be leaving our luggage in the tents when we head out through the trails. One major concern I have is what happens if you drop the bike. Is the flat panel that holds the bags on the bike easily damaged. Or if it does get damaged is it metal that could possibly be beaten into shape again
Or is it plastic that can break in half. Obviously that would not be handy if I have 1000 mile ride home
I'm a little late to see this review - but great job Tim. I am currently shopping for an ADV bike and will add some soft luggage, so this helps me out greatly. One question, since the various "side pannier" systems require a rack to mount to, had you considered a rackless/reckless system? My concern is dumping the bike, and while the soft bags probably won't do any damage, the pannier racks 'could' bend the frame/subframe, etc. It seems like a true rackless system would remedy this. But as with everything, there are tradeoffs. I'm curious as to your thoughts ? Thanks, Dan.
excellent review mate , cheers
Thanks Alan!
Hi mate, i just ordered mosco 80L rackless bags, but I would like to have endurable hard topcase for electronics like you have. What are you using? Thx a lot
Great show Tim, do u think I could put those bags on my Harley also do they come off easily for going into a motel.
Phil, I am not sure about that, I am guessing with some modifications you could get that to work though. They come off super easy for going into a motel.
Hey ... for a lockable soft pannier, have you seen the Bumot bags? They lock to the pannier frame so might be what you’re looking for. Great vid BTW! 👍
I haven't seen those, I'll check that out.
They are cool but, I like the
Aluminum Side Case better!
I have those. They are great! KTM 1090R!
I'll say this. The security aspect of soft luggage will always be an illusion. A sharp heavy duty knife will cut through them like butter in the hands of a motivated thief. Get hard bags to travel in places where security is an issue. That said...
I hear people every day, multiple times nearly every day, complaining about how we have become a consuming society and "everything is throw away anymore." These may be manufactured overseas (Vietnam) but the quality of the materials and overall construction is better than anything else like them out there on the market. Can a person make their own system with other types of bags? Possibly, but it won't be the same. I've been there done that and have used everything from contractor bags to Filsons to milsurp duffles to Moskos to packing my clothes and tools in igloo coolers flying to the north and south poles. These bags, and the whole Mosko Moto line, is worth every penny for someone looking for a virtually indestructible product with the 'little things' built in that are very hard to duplicate for even more money.
Great review
Can tell me the maker of the water bladder? Thanks.
Nice review man! :) Thanks.
What about security wise? What I love about hard paneers is I feel safer leaving my bike out of eye sight and going about my business. With soft paneers I wouldn't leave my bike hanging around.
Maybe you could review/&recommend a small on/off road bike and gear+ for those that want lite fun?
I will work on that, I have a friend that might let me borrow his bike for a review like that. Might be a bit before I can get over there though. As soon as I can my friend!
Hey Tim...I can see that you are concerned about security and locking your gear when you leave your bike. I have traveled across the USA several times, alone and with others on a motorcycle. I share the same anxiety at the start of most trips. It seems those feelings of theft and loss while on the road, subside in a few days after traveling for a short period. I tend to rationalize it by by reminding myself it has never happened, yet. I try to use some common sense by not parking in low light areas, behind buildings or out of sight. Have you ever lost anything? or has anything ever been taken while you were traveling? ...just wondering. D
Thanks for the great question! I'm going to save this for the Q and A. Hope all is well!
I look at it this way. The bike is insured if it gets stolen. Rarely is the stuff in the bags insured and if it is, it likely wouldn’t cover the deductible. I love my Mosko bags but I too would love a little bit more “illusion” of security. I’ve never had anything stolen on a trip but I’m not looking forward to that first time.
These look awesome, wish I had bought these instead of the crappy ones and crappy service from Alt Rider. Could you use one of those steel mesh things you did a review on a while ago? Wrap it around the bag and secure it on somehow?
Thanks Mike. I don't think the PacSafe net is large enough for these. There are a few retractable cables and steelcore straps that seem to work but they are just so bulky.
Great review!
Thanks!
Im using my aluminum bag even like table during camping life 🙃
Works like a charm! I used to use mine for that. These work too but not as well as hard cases.
Thanks, Tim. I've got the Reckless 80 and use Steel Core straps to lock the 80 to the bike and close of its "saddlebags". Could probably use the Steel Core on the Mosko panniers. Mosko has a clip on their site that shows how they use the Steel Core with their 80. cheers
Hey Tim. Love the bags! and I’d like to know what kind of bike you have. It’s pretty rad !!! Been meaning to ask you this for awhile
Thanks! It's a 2015 R1200GS BMW.
From where to buy. Any site ?
Good video. A bit offtopic- what moto pants are you using?
Moskos Basilisk pants, same company as the bags so not that off topic after all! :)
Any issues with a pillion? Conflict with their legs etc? Thanks.
Mine are awesome. They look cool too
I agree, they do look cool.
Do you ever ride with just one side bag attached? or do you find the balance is too far off and therefore always use both bags?
Never tried, I imagine for short distances its probably fine.
Awesome video and review. Have you had an opportunity to engage their support? if so what was your experience.
Hi DreamRider. I can't honestly say, I have not called them as a customer. I have heard of other people having good customer support from them though. They are a small company so somethings might take time but I am sure they will make any wrong right.
Thank you for this!