Exactly what I was hoping to find - someone putting a set of the 1950's to the limit on 6S with a10% throttle cap. Very well done man, great review. Many thanks!
That was a nice review. I got the 1700 version for my race rigs. Power delivery is so smooth and controllable. Crashing less. No hard crashes with them yet.
Yeah, I think that's the right choice. I opted for 1950kv because I've has other 1700-1750kv motors before that I found underwhelming. However, these Pacers have tons of power. I think I would've been perfectly happy with 1750kv. That said, I did fly these 1950kvs on 5S and was pleasantly surprised. I might explore flying them more on 5S.
Hello, I saw that, in your second flight, you put your diamond antenna vertically on your controller while the Immortal T in your drone was oriented horizontally. Doesn't that make the connection worse? Great video btw, I think I'm gonna buy the 2306 version of the pacer
Hi there! Thanks for writing. Honestly, that's a bit of a common myth, but it has some truth to it. Yes, two vertical antennas provide the best range. However, this is freestyle. The quad is rarely ever horizontal for much more than a second. So, in my opinion, the orientation of the antennas on the freestyle quad makes very little difference. I have have found by testing is that a vertical antenna on the TX is better, no matter what as it provides better spread. Check my two videos on testing the Crossfire system latency switching. Now, if this were a long range quad, where the quad remains flat for a long time as you chase to get more distance, antenna orientation is more important there. In which case, a vertical antenna on both is better. Or in case of my long range 7 incher, I run diversity with one antenna vertical and one horizontal. The antenna on the TX stays vertical. Note that in many of my earlier videos, my TX antenna is horizontal. That's because it fits well in the case like that, so I just left it like that.
Nice video - My thoughts exactly, if T-motor makes a budget motor... - I jumped on the Velox Motor and have them on one of my DJI System Builds. I got the Pink & white 2207 1750kv motors. They've been great and at $14.99/ motor makes it hard to beat
I would love to try these same Pacers I have but in 1750. I like that I can fly these 1950s on 5S, but for 6S, 1750 would have been plenty of power. I usually fly slightly underpowered quads. It's just my taste. I focus on flying smoothly rather than sheer explosive power.
One thing, when you turn of the HS on GoPro, please remove the ND filter also. It reduces a ton of vibrations from the video. That could also make a litle misjudgment abaut the motor silkiness :) Grate rev tho!
It can, yes, but it would have to be VERY bad to really show vibes. Generally, the ND filter makes the video smoother between frames. I don't take it off because I don't use the ND filter as a crutch. I use the ND filter to achieve the correct shutter speed for good video... something I do for videos beyond flying quads. If I take the ND filter off, in such sunlight, regardless as to whether or not I have a perfect tune, the video looks like crap to my eye, because the shutter speed vs frame rate relationship is all wrong.
I'm surprised that our motor has one string wiring while in all T-Motor photos is multi-string what confused me a lot. Moreover, I was trying to understand what is the difference between the Velox and Pacer 2207 motors as beside the bell they look similar inside.
That got me thinking, so I went to various FPV shops and looked up the motors. I see what you mean. Actually, some of the photos show multi-strand and some show single-strand. That's obviously a mistake and they likely shot some multi-strand prototype. But the motors are definitely single-strand. They've been like this since the early prototypes back in September.
I do. The rainbow usually happens to me because I run a lens protector stuck to the GoPro lens. That lens protector between the GoPro lens and the filter causes this. I'll likely keep a GoPro with a lens protector for cinematic shots, so I don't end up with this.
Hello, I have a project for a 6S quad racer and I hesitate with the new T-motors. I would like to understand that it is the difference between the VELOX 2207 1750-1950kv and the PACER 2207.5 1750-1950Kv. What is your advice?
The way I understand it, both of these motors were made to be competitive at their price-points. Most T-Motor flagships are always around $26 dollars. That's pretty expensive. T-Motor made the Pacers to compete with the RCINs and XINGs. That's where the Pacers come in. From making this video, I see that they are quality motors, and I can't really say they aren't as good as the flagship F series. Maybe not as smooth, but definitely powerful, balanced and well-built. The VELOX on the other hand are meant to compete against the E-Series motors from other manufacturer. Those are the economy line. A lot of pilots love the cheaper motors. Specially those that go through motors often because they race them or crash them on concrete. I don't fly a lot of economy motors, and I haven't flown the VELOX yet, so I couldn't say. That said, I think these Pacers are really good and they are at a really well-balanced price.
hello and congratulations for the video, I urgently need 4 engines for a 6s build and I was looking at these 1750kv engines what do you think? can you recommend them? Thanks
Hi, yes, if strictly for 6s I'd recommend the 1750s over the 1950s. They are super powerful already so the extra kv is not really needed, at least for my style.
@@PinchTune thanks for replying, yes in fact I was oriented for 1750kv, in my build I have xing 1800kv and yesterday a crash broke an engine I can't and various sites have not available, so I will take 4 engines of these thanks always very kind good flight
I'll check Drone Mesh's tests. I just go by feel, not a thrust stand... and THEY ARE POWERFUL. I wonder if MiniQuadTestBench will end up putting up results for them.
I bought some iflight xing-e 2306 motors and they are pretty cheap 14,8 $, they perform really good and weight 33.5 gramms with the hole cable and nut. For sure they don't have titanium shaft. So seems to me that t-motor should try harder for budget friendly motors.
These are not the same level as the XING-E. T-Motor does have an "E" motors and it's called the VELOX and it's $13. This Pacer motor is better spec'd than the XING-Es. For starters, that unibell. Wayyyy better than the two-piece bell of the XING-E and the VELOX. These are made and design to fit the $20 range.
@@bozosni Oh, I see. Yeah, they are a little on the heavy side. Luckily these Hyperlows, even with the 6mm arms, are below the below of most other freestyle frames. So in the end I ended with pretty respectable weight. Thanks for watching BTW!
You might need to dial them down a bit to conserve energy. Or get the lower kv ones. These seem pretty efficient, and my long range rigs do have higher kv than most other long range pilots like, but I also do fly as far as a lot of those pilots do. I don't need 15 minutes of flight time. I can do what I can do do in about 8 minutes.
thx vor you review of this motors. i search a motor that i can use with my 4S and a bit later also with my 6S. what did u think about it? does it work what i want? thc for feedback
Hi, it is a very powerful motor. However, at 1950kv it would be best suited for 5s and 6s, rather than 4s and 6s. That said, it would feel more powerful on 4s than a 1750kv motor would, so it might be an OK option.
thx for your quick answer. at the moment i got the t-motor 2150KV and love theyer punch with 4S. But no i wand slowly change some lipos to 6S and also want use the 6SLi-Ion todo some LR flight with my 5" Quad :-) And the most important i LOVE this color orange :-D
@@fpv-bro These 2150s are the F60 III, or the F40 II 2150 that I normally fly? Either way, that more would be better suited for what you want to do than going 1950kv. Because you can have two profiles. One for 4s at 100% throttle and one for 6S with roughly a 86% throttle (14% throttle cap). (2150kv - 14% = 1850kv).
@@fpv-bro Yep. That has been my favorite motor for well over a year now. That is your best option if you want to fly both 4s and 6s. When you are ready to commit to just 6s, then go lower KV. Betaflight has a throttle limit somewhere. 4.1.x and up. Falco X (FlightOne) does as well.
Most of the time it's too low. But this motor seems to be more powerful than it's rated. I flew it on 5s and was surprised. Normally I fly 2150kv for 5S.
If ur looking for a 30x30 stack, Tmotor F55-Pro or Hobbywing Xrotor Micro 60a. If ur looking for 20x20 stack, Hobbywing Xroror Micro 40a. I use the 20x20 stack with FlightOne, its super solid
Great options by @P3ER. I'd also add that I love the Talon Gigawatt 20x20. And T-Motor has a new Pacer ESC coming out that I'm testing soon. But right now, I'd say those options are good. I'll also add the NewBeeDrone Infinity ESC.
hey pinchTune. SEND HELP, lol. im all the way from Kauai, Hawaii and am totally new to fpv and built me my first drone. ordered me some gear. just built me a project 399 super g plus. now im running in to no stick movements in beta flight... using a crsf nano diversity to a 60a hobbywing stack with the tbs evo. sent ch1 from nano diversity to rx1 and ch2 to tx1. got everything to bind, visuals through my goggles and the rx is solid green just like the module behind my qx7. serial rx is checked on uart1, saved and rebooted. configuration receiver set for CRSF, plug in my batt and got nothing. got any idea where I went wrong ?
Aloha! I lived in Hawaii for a few years, in Maui. It does seem you've done everything right. But as is the case, when there's a problem, there's usually something we're not seeing. What FC? I think you've missed assigning the channels in Crossfire. As in, even if you're bound, and the FC/BF is set to CRSF, if you don't assign Channel 1 TX to send on channel one and channel 2 Rx to receive on channel 2, in the TBS module, nothing's going to happen. See if that's it.
@@PinchTune Ehhhh mean!!! small world lol.! anyways ive been trying to remap my channels like you said. I don't think I flashed my qx7 correctly, even though the crossfire rx, and tx is solid green I go to my qx7, than crossfire lua and my nano rx wont show. there fore cant remap channels. will get back on it tomorrow. will keep you updated for sure.
Awesome review🔥 These motors look really good. But I dont like what they have done with their new budget motors. They all look like Tmotor was trying to copy xing and RCinpower. Anyways Im sure the motors themselves are very high quality
I kinda have to agree with that. I know these look a bit RCIN, but at least not exactly. I don't like the splatter motors though. I really think they should've not done that. I feel T-Motor is better than that.
@@PinchTune they released too many different motors at once. If they would have just put out these ones you reviewed it wouldnt be so obvious that they took RCinpower or xing motors as an inspiration. T motor always had cool and unique motor designs and I dont see a need to look at other manufacturers if they could do it (better) themselves.
Exactly what I was hoping to find - someone putting a set of the 1950's to the limit on 6S with a10% throttle cap. Very well done man, great review. Many thanks!
That was a nice review. I got the 1700 version for my race rigs. Power delivery is so smooth and controllable. Crashing less. No hard crashes with them yet.
Yeah, I think that's the right choice. I opted for 1950kv because I've has other 1700-1750kv motors before that I found underwhelming. However, these Pacers have tons of power. I think I would've been perfectly happy with 1750kv. That said, I did fly these 1950kvs on 5S and was pleasantly surprised. I might explore flying them more on 5S.
Hello, I saw that, in your second flight, you put your diamond antenna vertically on your controller while the Immortal T in your drone was oriented horizontally. Doesn't that make the connection worse?
Great video btw, I think I'm gonna buy the 2306 version of the pacer
Hi there! Thanks for writing. Honestly, that's a bit of a common myth, but it has some truth to it. Yes, two vertical antennas provide the best range. However, this is freestyle. The quad is rarely ever horizontal for much more than a second. So, in my opinion, the orientation of the antennas on the freestyle quad makes very little difference. I have have found by testing is that a vertical antenna on the TX is better, no matter what as it provides better spread. Check my two videos on testing the Crossfire system latency switching. Now, if this were a long range quad, where the quad remains flat for a long time as you chase to get more distance, antenna orientation is more important there. In which case, a vertical antenna on both is better. Or in case of my long range 7 incher, I run diversity with one antenna vertical and one horizontal. The antenna on the TX stays vertical. Note that in many of my earlier videos, my TX antenna is horizontal. That's because it fits well in the case like that, so I just left it like that.
Nice video - My thoughts exactly, if T-motor makes a budget motor... - I jumped on the Velox Motor and have them on one of my DJI System Builds. I got the Pink & white 2207 1750kv motors. They've been great and at $14.99/ motor makes it hard to beat
I would love to try these same Pacers I have but in 1750. I like that I can fly these 1950s on 5S, but for 6S, 1750 would have been plenty of power. I usually fly slightly underpowered quads. It's just my taste. I focus on flying smoothly rather than sheer explosive power.
One thing, when you turn of the HS on GoPro, please remove the ND filter also. It reduces a ton of vibrations from the video. That could also make a litle misjudgment abaut the motor silkiness :) Grate rev tho!
It can, yes, but it would have to be VERY bad to really show vibes. Generally, the ND filter makes the video smoother between frames. I don't take it off because I don't use the ND filter as a crutch. I use the ND filter to achieve the correct shutter speed for good video... something I do for videos beyond flying quads. If I take the ND filter off, in such sunlight, regardless as to whether or not I have a perfect tune, the video looks like crap to my eye, because the shutter speed vs frame rate relationship is all wrong.
Great job , excellent flying👍👍
Always great stuff! In a perfect world, I would buy a Danny Cruz pre-built quad in a split second!
Thanks. I need a little factory with clones of myself churning out quads. Haha. We'd have a lot of hand sanitizer too.
Dude where are you? That location is remote and awesome...
I'm surprised that our motor has one string wiring while in all T-Motor photos is multi-string what confused me a lot. Moreover, I was trying to understand what is the difference between the Velox and Pacer 2207 motors as beside the bell they look similar inside.
That got me thinking, so I went to various FPV shops and looked up the motors. I see what you mean. Actually, some of the photos show multi-strand and some show single-strand. That's obviously a mistake and they likely shot some multi-strand prototype. But the motors are definitely single-strand. They've been like this since the early prototypes back in September.
What about axisflying?
Thanks for your thoughts & review about the motors! Looking at buying a set.
Cheers🍻👍
Nice. Thanks. I'm going to be testing them on a racer very soon.
Are you using TBS Nd filters? I have one that has that rainbow 🌈 effect I see in your snow flight footage
I do. The rainbow usually happens to me because I run a lens protector stuck to the GoPro lens. That lens protector between the GoPro lens and the filter causes this. I'll likely keep a GoPro with a lens protector for cinematic shots, so I don't end up with this.
It’s weird thou I only have it on one of my 3 tbs filter . And it’s in the exact same spot. 🤙
I love my pacer motors man
Good to know. So far I'm pretty impressed.
@@PinchTune I need to sit down and do a review like this as I know this is what tmotor expects from me
Hello, I have a project for a 6S quad racer and I hesitate with the new T-motors. I would like to understand that it is the difference between the VELOX 2207 1750-1950kv and the PACER 2207.5 1750-1950Kv.
What is your advice?
The way I understand it, both of these motors were made to be competitive at their price-points. Most T-Motor flagships are always around $26 dollars. That's pretty expensive. T-Motor made the Pacers to compete with the RCINs and XINGs. That's where the Pacers come in. From making this video, I see that they are quality motors, and I can't really say they aren't as good as the flagship F series. Maybe not as smooth, but definitely powerful, balanced and well-built. The VELOX on the other hand are meant to compete against the E-Series motors from other manufacturer. Those are the economy line. A lot of pilots love the cheaper motors. Specially those that go through motors often because they race them or crash them on concrete. I don't fly a lot of economy motors, and I haven't flown the VELOX yet, so I couldn't say. That said, I think these Pacers are really good and they are at a really well-balanced price.
Look at the comment by Matt Chamberlain below. He's loving the VELOX. If I were racing a lot right now, that's would I'd run. For freestyle, Pacer.
hello and congratulations for the video, I urgently need 4 engines for a 6s build and I was looking at these 1750kv engines what do you think? can you recommend them?
Thanks
Hi, yes, if strictly for 6s I'd recommend the 1750s over the 1950s. They are super powerful already so the extra kv is not really needed, at least for my style.
@@PinchTune thanks for replying, yes in fact I was oriented for 1750kv, in my build I have xing 1800kv and yesterday a crash broke an engine I can't and various sites have not available, so I will take 4 engines of these thanks always very kind good flight
Great review. I know Drone mesh did a thrust test. These things are powerful 👍😎 I want some lol.
I'll check Drone Mesh's tests. I just go by feel, not a thrust stand... and THEY ARE POWERFUL. I wonder if MiniQuadTestBench will end up putting up results for them.
PinchTune I don’t pay much attention to thrust test either but these I think hit 2k thrust. That’s powerful for a 5” motor.
I bought some iflight xing-e 2306 motors and they are pretty cheap 14,8 $, they perform really good and weight 33.5 gramms with the hole cable and nut. For sure they don't have titanium shaft.
So seems to me that t-motor should try harder for budget friendly motors.
These are not the same level as the XING-E. T-Motor does have an "E" motors and it's called the VELOX and it's $13. This Pacer motor is better spec'd than the XING-Es. For starters, that unibell. Wayyyy better than the two-piece bell of the XING-E and the VELOX. These are made and design to fit the $20 range.
@@PinchTune yes, i know. I was just referring to the weight comparison. ;) I would expect a 20$ motor to be lighter. Just that.
@@bozosni Oh, I see. Yeah, they are a little on the heavy side. Luckily these Hyperlows, even with the 6mm arms, are below the below of most other freestyle frames. So in the end I ended with pretty respectable weight. Thanks for watching BTW!
Would you also recommend this for longer flights?
You might need to dial them down a bit to conserve energy. Or get the lower kv ones. These seem pretty efficient, and my long range rigs do have higher kv than most other long range pilots like, but I also do fly as far as a lot of those pilots do. I don't need 15 minutes of flight time. I can do what I can do do in about 8 minutes.
I love the innovation of this hobby! Great review!😎👌🖖
Thanks. Me too. I love seeing how parts keep getting better and better.
Legit in depth review. Well done.
Thanks! It was a lot of work indeed.
Just picked up the 2550kv. Bearings are very quiet.
I did fail to mention that. Overall smoothness is great.
thx vor you review of this motors.
i search a motor that i can use with my 4S and a bit later also with my 6S. what did u think about it? does it work what i want?
thc for feedback
Hi, it is a very powerful motor. However, at 1950kv it would be best suited for 5s and 6s, rather than 4s and 6s. That said, it would feel more powerful on 4s than a 1750kv motor would, so it might be an OK option.
thx for your quick answer.
at the moment i got the t-motor 2150KV and love theyer punch with 4S. But no i wand slowly change some lipos to 6S and also want use the 6SLi-Ion todo some LR flight with my 5" Quad :-)
And the most important i LOVE this color orange :-D
@@fpv-bro These 2150s are the F60 III, or the F40 II 2150 that I normally fly? Either way, that more would be better suited for what you want to do than going 1950kv. Because you can have two profiles. One for 4s at 100% throttle and one for 6S with roughly a 86% throttle (14% throttle cap). (2150kv - 14% = 1850kv).
@@PinchTune i got the f40 II 2150KV. Perfect when i can do that with this solution. Now i must look how i can that config. Thx
@@fpv-bro Yep. That has been my favorite motor for well over a year now. That is your best option if you want to fly both 4s and 6s. When you are ready to commit to just 6s, then go lower KV. Betaflight has a throttle limit somewhere. 4.1.x and up. Falco X (FlightOne) does as well.
is 1950KV enough for 5s ???
Most of the time it's too low. But this motor seems to be more powerful than it's rated. I flew it on 5s and was surprised. Normally I fly 2150kv for 5S.
hi
do yo use 6s for Tiger Motor VELOX V2207 1950KV?
thank you in advance
Hi, yes, pretty much the same as these in terms of how you would power them. They will have a lot of punch on 6S at 1950kv.
@@PinchTune thank you for the reply and the info, Stay safe and take care man
Is that a Protective Film Solutions hat?!
Lol, yes. Their my client. I built and have been maintaining their website for years.
@@PinchTune that's so awesome! what a small world haha
im building my first racing quad..
what esc can you recommend for 6s?
If ur looking for a 30x30 stack, Tmotor F55-Pro or Hobbywing Xrotor Micro 60a. If ur looking for 20x20 stack, Hobbywing Xroror Micro 40a. I use the 20x20 stack with FlightOne, its super solid
Great options by @P3ER. I'd also add that I love the Talon Gigawatt 20x20. And T-Motor has a new Pacer ESC coming out that I'm testing soon. But right now, I'd say those options are good. I'll also add the NewBeeDrone Infinity ESC.
hey pinchTune. SEND HELP, lol. im all the way from Kauai, Hawaii and am totally new to fpv and built me my first drone. ordered me some gear. just built me a project 399 super g plus. now im running in to no stick movements in beta flight... using a crsf nano diversity to a 60a hobbywing stack with the tbs evo. sent ch1 from nano diversity to rx1 and ch2 to tx1. got everything to bind, visuals through my goggles and the rx is solid green just like the module behind my qx7. serial rx is checked on uart1, saved and rebooted. configuration receiver set for CRSF, plug in my batt and got nothing. got any idea where I went wrong ?
Aloha! I lived in Hawaii for a few years, in Maui. It does seem you've done everything right. But as is the case, when there's a problem, there's usually something we're not seeing. What FC? I think you've missed assigning the channels in Crossfire. As in, even if you're bound, and the FC/BF is set to CRSF, if you don't assign Channel 1 TX to send on channel one and channel 2 Rx to receive on channel 2, in the TBS module, nothing's going to happen. See if that's it.
@@PinchTune Ehhhh mean!!! small world lol.! anyways ive been trying to remap my channels like you said. I don't think I flashed my qx7 correctly, even though the crossfire rx, and tx is solid green I go to my qx7, than crossfire lua and my nano rx wont show. there fore cant remap channels. will get back on it tomorrow. will keep you updated for sure.
and a f4 g3 fc.
@@jhancewhite-cummings4167 Wait a sec. You said QX7. Did you mod it? Out of the box the QX7 is NOT compatibly with Crossfire unless you mod it.
PinchTune yes I did install the mod chip to my qx7!
Awesome review bro!
Thanks Gino!
Awesome review🔥 These motors look really good. But I dont like what they have done with their new budget motors. They all look like Tmotor was trying to copy xing and RCinpower. Anyways Im sure the motors themselves are very high quality
I kinda have to agree with that. I know these look a bit RCIN, but at least not exactly. I don't like the splatter motors though. I really think they should've not done that. I feel T-Motor is better than that.
@@PinchTune they released too many different motors at once. If they would have just put out these ones you reviewed it wouldnt be so obvious that they took RCinpower or xing motors as an inspiration. T motor always had cool and unique motor designs and I dont see a need to look at other manufacturers if they could do it (better) themselves.
Wow check out that Nasty Green water in that pool at: 21:00 - Lol
HAHA. I saw that while flying and had that same thought!
I only fly xings, but I like u bruh, so watch n like
Hehe. Thank you. Have you tried a T-Motor today? ;)
17:15 Mandalorian
1950 - 10% = 1755