@@robertomacetti7069 I hate people that say this. it's a pointless distinction. you can't play the cards and they might make it so you can play the cards. that is what unbanning something is. there is no point distinguishing between banned and not legal.
that is only important if you DO distinguish between not legal and banned. NOT distinguishing between not legal and banned would be just saying that "you can't play brainstorm in standard". the REASON you can't play it is completely irrelevant.
I played an Unleash the pack back when Unstable was legal in commander for a month. I ended up opening a Leovold a couple months after he was banned, making me most likely the last person to play that card in an official event.
Earl of Squirrel is my favorite silver border card. all tokens are considered squirrels, create x 1/1 squirrels whenever it attacks, and give +1/+1 to all squirrels.
They said they aren't unbanning anything so why did they even talk about it at all? People already rule zero krark's other thumb in dice decks so they did nothing by talking about it at all except make a fake controversy.
Wizards has been using Un as a concept testing ground since the start, that's why there are so many silver cards with completely normal effects. They could reprint quite a few of them as black border without changing a thing.
@@flaetsbnort That's the point though right? They're not explicitly unbanned but will be part of the rule 0 conversation. If silver bordered is going into that conversation, there should be the same framework for test cards.
I've got a "screw the rules" deck which also includes silver bordered cards (and pokemon, uno, yugioh, etc...) I play (in order of "legality"): 1. totally fine: Mad Science Fair Project, Selfie Preservation, Go to jail ---- Lantern of Undersight, Wrath of Sod, Sarah's Wings [Playtest Cards] 2. yeah, possible: Jack-in-the-mox, Rules Lawyer, Checks and Balances, Split Screen, Skull Saucer (cause it affects YOU negatively, it's just a very bad murder), Clay Pigeon (same as before, just a bad fog) 3. rather not: Infinity Elemental, Animate Library, Animate Object, ---- Chronobot [Playtest Card] 4. oh no: The Grand calcutron, Yet another Aether Vortex, Handcuffs, Farewell to Arms, Enter the Dungeon, Kindslaver (it has never resolved cause there's no one outside the game) ----- High Troller [Playtest Card]
I never understood the point of "The Commander Rules Committee" like....if commander isn't sanctioned, what makes anything they say relevant, at all? If they agree "rules zero" is a thing...why do they even exist. Like what makes their "ban suggestions" any more relevant than literally any other play groups preferences? I've been playing a few silver bordered cards here and there in my commander decks for over a decade now. I don't get why anyone would wait to see if a group of random guys that they've never met and dont play with say it's okay.
essentially a common denominator so you can rock up to any group and get a common baseline. then, assuming the group has basic communication skills, theyll tell you how they usually change that baseline, and you can talk from there
I don't get why people still think Commander is unsanctioned kitchen-table casual. Wizards has been making cards and decks specifically for Commander for over a decade now, it's as official a format as any other. There will even be officially backed EDH tournaments soon. Yes there's more leeway for groups to bend (or ignore) rules for fun, but Wizards is the one who makes those rules in the first place.
@@lunondisposable5382 I'm not saying commander isn't popular or that it always has to be casual. But it most definitely is NOT sanctioned. I know a few stores who run commander tournies but even those tend to be more like "You guys play whatever you want, tell us who wins your pod and we give you (insert rewards)". It's not like the 60 card formats where there is a hard ban list and if you're playing in a tournament you either play by it or get DQ'd. I mean maybe in the future sure, but as of now and for the whole time commander has been a thing so far, it most definitely has NOT been sanctioned. There's no commander "pro tour". I've never heard of big officially sanctioned commander events.
@@GellyVelly It's not _"DCI_ sanctioned" in the strict sense of tournaments (yet), but in the normal definition of the word it is 100% sanctioned by WotC. They make, back, promote, and loosely regulate the format itself. It doesn't matter if it's popular or competitive or not, it's an official Magic format and they treat it as such.
I threw together a 5 colored silver bordered commander deck using the contents of unsanctioned since some shops were letting sets of the half-decks go for dirt cheap. Was kinda surprised by how non-disruptive most of the cards were. They're weird but in most cases they really don't break the rules in ways that completely breaks the game
I played a friendly casual game with the BFM in my deck and was able to find both pieces through tutors and have enough mana to cast the card. I indeed felt really accomplished.😊
saw in half and clown car are so good, that they even see play in cEDH. saw in half in non - ad naus black decks, to combine it with Hoarding Broodlord, and clown car in magda, brazen outlaw to have a 0 mana vehicle to tap your drawf. Organ Harvest would be crazy tbh...
I play a deck with silver-bordered cards in it using surgeon commander as the commander. It started with a lot of the host-augment pairs, but it's become a more focused mutate deck and has the following: phoebe head of sneak, grusilda monster masher, underdark beholder, krosan adaptation, soulmates. I didn't see animate graveyard, but I'm definitely adding that, and looking forward to the new playtest cards in mystery booster 2. I also have a grimlock, dinobot leader deck that has an old fogey in it, people love old fogey. Finally, I have a myra the magnificent deck with goblin bookie, socketed sprocketer, wrench-rigger, kindly cognition, wall of fortune, garbage elemental, goblin blastronauts, incite insight, work a double, five-finger discount, spell suck, very cryptic command, steamfloggery, krark's other thumb, clock of dooom in it, plus all three extra deck mechanics (stickers, contraptions, and attractions). The people at my shop are fine with all of this.
I want to run an Alexander Clamilton deck. The idea of just running Questing Beast and Strixhaven and other "Wordy" cards just for the sake of it is so dumb.
All the silver border subgame cards come with the benefit that they expedite the subgame, like, i built a 60 card deck around casting The Countdown is at Zero as many times as possible and instantly winning it with forked bolt type effects. These cards are funny and breed creativity, and I'm always going to be playing to have fun through creativity I've built similar decks around Yet Another Æther Vortex and Over My Dead Bodies. I want to build a deck around Grand Calcutron, but im still figuring that one out, and I will probably never build it in paper, but I want to build a seck based off of a meme where you use Yet Another Æther Vortex and Form of the Approach of the Second Sun to have you physically enter the battlefiepd as a copy of Slaying Mantis
I have a Pippa Dice Duchess edh deck using silver boardered dice rolling cards that all work mechanical with official rules and ive never had anyone complain about me using it
A reminder that Golos is banned and is undeniably more balanced than Nadu. Where Golos is '5-color goodstuff', Nadu is 'Simic goodstuff'. In the 'low to mid' powerlevel they claim to focus the ban list [They clearly don't care about the ban list, come on] Nadu is FAR more problematic. Golos' ban reason: 'There are many problems with the card, but the greatest is that in the low-to-middle power level tiers where we focus the banlist, Golos is simply a better choice of leader for all but the most commander-centric decks. Its presence crushes the kind of diversity in commander choice which we want to promote.' Tribal Decks and Storm Decks aren't Golos' best place, such as Elf Tribal. Ban list should be completely redesigned every year, the current ban list should be fully unbanned, and they should start from scratch.
2:17 I mean… For most of them, they could just declare that the “dexterity” action is fictionally performed by your planeswalker character instead “Do you perform the Hokey Pokey?” “I do”
Do I want the forbidden funny, yes, is it bad for me, yes. Skeedelde skeedoodle, your hand is now a program, state based actions no longer apply, your creature dies to this armchair that was hidden behind by land, because that is what commander gameplay is now. Besides that, I would like to present you my deck, my attraction deck and my contraption deck, and my sticker deck for shuffling. Please don't put un-cards in commander, at least the cedh people (and yes, cedh is a part of commander, it is the same format, simply people building the best possible deck within the format) will probably get an heart attack. Besides all that, many un cards simply do not work rules wise. My favourite for example masterful ninja, can be in your hand and on the battlefield at the same time. The rules do not support that, its that simple, endless rules debates will happen over what happens if you discard it, simply because it is not defined. Even the allowed cards for example, Gleemax is a fancy way for yuriko to go "and now you all lose 10000... life" Mana screw makes infinite mana with krark or either of his thumbs, etc. Besides that, look at me im the DCI might be salty, since it is the ONLY way to permanently get rid of a commander, sure, Ferris wheel can permanently phase out a commander, wich only 2 cards can save you from. But look at me can ban a card, so there is no form of protection (except counterspells), there is no way to get your commander back, even having your commander hang out in the command zone does not save it. When it comes to enjoyment, I would totally play The Grand Calcutron, Split Screen and some of the sneak it into play for free cards. Besides that, anything that is broken beyond belief, because I like optimizing. For example, there is an artifact you can hide in play during your turn, and it has an ability for 0 where an opponent can return it to your hand. Imagine playing it, and saccing it in response to your opponent activating the return ability, thats a 0 mana priority jumping artifact right there. Or alternatively, whipping it out from behind a land when saccing things to krark-clan shaman for an extra damage on the boardwhipe. Besides surprise ambushes, so much jank is possible.
It's enough that they already allow universes beyond, and unifinity... Heck some newer sets like Outlaws, bloomburrow, and the coming "horror" set already feels like unsets in tone. So making actual unsets legal wouldn''t bee out of line, but probably gonna stop EDH at that point, having to deal with people putting stickers on my 40 euro cards is already crossing the line.
Imagine driving like 15 minutes out to a game and joining a commander game. You're a little late and don't notice the other commanders. Only after playing do you notice a hint of silver, but maybe it's white. Then it happens, you realize a player is running a Dr Julius Jumblemorph deck... THE FIEND!!! It's an extremely meh alternative mutate deck and your meta deck will clean up... But man, those icky silver borders, I wouldn't blame you for scooping, swearing at everyone in the store for accepting such horrors, then going home to beat your wife for merely existing in the same reality as silver border cards
People titling videos like this is exactly why people will think the cards are getting unbanned.
They can't get unbanned
They are not legal in the first place
@@robertomacetti7069 I hate people that say this. it's a pointless distinction. you can't play the cards and they might make it so you can play the cards. that is what unbanning something is. there is no point distinguishing between banned and not legal.
@@cultoftyler9045 It's actually pretty important
Brainstorm is not on the standard banlist
And yet, you can't play it in a standard deck
that is only important if you DO distinguish between not legal and banned. NOT distinguishing between not legal and banned would be just saying that "you can't play brainstorm in standard". the REASON you can't play it is completely irrelevant.
@@robertomacetti7069 banned cards are not legal.
not legal cards are banned.
ALOT of groups and tables don't have rule 0 conversations. Adding silver border cards is a great way to force everyone to engage in rule 0 lol.
Bruh I’m begging you, close some tabs
I played an Unleash the pack back when Unstable was legal in commander for a month. I ended up opening a Leovold a couple months after he was banned, making me most likely the last person to play that card in an official event.
R&D's Secret Lair would be by FAR my favorite tech. It would mess with so many random cards. Wheel of Potential being a recent great example.
You can use this with the MLP card that turns toys into tokens, to use cards from other games in your magic game.
You just take a sharpie & blackout the boarders then they are legal right?
yeah, thats how it works
You're sleeping on Comet. He's stupid good in both Planeswalkers and Mr. House decks
He's good in general, I play him in my dog tribal and he's won me games before on his own
Earl of Squirrel is my favorite silver border card. all tokens are considered squirrels, create x 1/1 squirrels whenever it attacks, and give +1/+1 to all squirrels.
They said they aren't unbanning anything so why did they even talk about it at all? People already rule zero krark's other thumb in dice decks so they did nothing by talking about it at all except make a fake controversy.
Baron Von Count Combo sounds like a fun brew
Wizards has been using Un as a concept testing ground since the start, that's why there are so many silver cards with completely normal effects. They could reprint quite a few of them as black border without changing a thing.
brooo they're gonna make applejack exodia legal
btw sadly sword of dnd is broken as "Gold" is not a colour identy also ashnods cupon has an erta you pay costs
Until you till drop a R & D's secret lair, then it's free drinks!
@@raddicalsilly1982 true
Change it to a Gold (artifact subtype) Dragon
@@davidhower7095 or just red
God, just let people decide. Its a casual format
While they're at it maybe also include the test cards in that bucket?
Some of them are extremely broken, but some of them are so perfect for commander it's a suprise they're banned
@@flaetsbnort That's the point though right? They're not explicitly unbanned but will be part of the rule 0 conversation. If silver bordered is going into that conversation, there should be the same framework for test cards.
that's probably the purpose of this tbh
@@tako4316 Yes, that's my point. Let's not leave anything out and just get it done with this rule 0 conversation guideline.
I've got a "screw the rules" deck which also includes silver bordered cards (and pokemon, uno, yugioh, etc...)
I play (in order of "legality"):
1. totally fine:
Mad Science Fair Project, Selfie Preservation, Go to jail ---- Lantern of Undersight, Wrath of Sod, Sarah's Wings [Playtest Cards]
2. yeah, possible:
Jack-in-the-mox, Rules Lawyer, Checks and Balances, Split Screen, Skull Saucer (cause it affects YOU negatively, it's just a very bad murder), Clay Pigeon (same as before, just a bad fog)
3. rather not:
Infinity Elemental, Animate Library, Animate Object, ---- Chronobot [Playtest Card]
4. oh no:
The Grand calcutron, Yet another Aether Vortex, Handcuffs, Farewell to Arms, Enter the Dungeon, Kindslaver (it has never resolved cause there's no one outside the game) ----- High Troller [Playtest Card]
One of my favorite commander is Bad Ass. It helms my super Bad Zombie deck and it has the best flavor text in all of Magic!
I never understood the point of "The Commander Rules Committee" like....if commander isn't sanctioned, what makes anything they say relevant, at all? If they agree "rules zero" is a thing...why do they even exist. Like what makes their "ban suggestions" any more relevant than literally any other play groups preferences? I've been playing a few silver bordered cards here and there in my commander decks for over a decade now. I don't get why anyone would wait to see if a group of random guys that they've never met and dont play with say it's okay.
It doesnt, Wizards has says that you can change any rules of the game and play however you want if everyone agrees
essentially a common denominator so you can rock up to any group and get a common baseline.
then, assuming the group has basic communication skills, theyll tell you how they usually change that baseline, and you can talk from there
I don't get why people still think Commander is unsanctioned kitchen-table casual. Wizards has been making cards and decks specifically for Commander for over a decade now, it's as official a format as any other. There will even be officially backed EDH tournaments soon. Yes there's more leeway for groups to bend (or ignore) rules for fun, but Wizards is the one who makes those rules in the first place.
@@lunondisposable5382 I'm not saying commander isn't popular or that it always has to be casual. But it most definitely is NOT sanctioned. I know a few stores who run commander tournies but even those tend to be more like "You guys play whatever you want, tell us who wins your pod and we give you (insert rewards)". It's not like the 60 card formats where there is a hard ban list and if you're playing in a tournament you either play by it or get DQ'd. I mean maybe in the future sure, but as of now and for the whole time commander has been a thing so far, it most definitely has NOT been sanctioned. There's no commander "pro tour". I've never heard of big officially sanctioned commander events.
@@GellyVelly It's not _"DCI_ sanctioned" in the strict sense of tournaments (yet), but in the normal definition of the word it is 100% sanctioned by WotC. They make, back, promote, and loosely regulate the format itself. It doesn't matter if it's popular or competitive or not, it's an official Magic format and they treat it as such.
I threw together a 5 colored silver bordered commander deck using the contents of unsanctioned since some shops were letting sets of the half-decks go for dirt cheap. Was kinda surprised by how non-disruptive most of the cards were. They're weird but in most cases they really don't break the rules in ways that completely breaks the game
Imagine building a deck to saw your graveyard in half
I played a friendly casual game with the BFM in my deck and was able to find both pieces through tutors and have enough mana to cast the card. I indeed felt really accomplished.😊
saw in half and clown car are so good, that they even see play in cEDH. saw in half in non - ad naus black decks, to combine it with Hoarding Broodlord, and clown car in magda, brazen outlaw to have a 0 mana vehicle to tap your drawf.
Organ Harvest would be crazy tbh...
Ashnods coupon would be funny
I play a deck with silver-bordered cards in it using surgeon commander as the commander. It started with a lot of the host-augment pairs, but it's become a more focused mutate deck and has the following: phoebe head of sneak, grusilda monster masher, underdark beholder, krosan adaptation, soulmates. I didn't see animate graveyard, but I'm definitely adding that, and looking forward to the new playtest cards in mystery booster 2. I also have a grimlock, dinobot leader deck that has an old fogey in it, people love old fogey. Finally, I have a myra the magnificent deck with goblin bookie, socketed sprocketer, wrench-rigger, kindly cognition, wall of fortune, garbage elemental, goblin blastronauts, incite insight, work a double, five-finger discount, spell suck, very cryptic command, steamfloggery, krark's other thumb, clock of dooom in it, plus all three extra deck mechanics (stickers, contraptions, and attractions). The people at my shop are fine with all of this.
the thing I worry about is that some uncards are game breaking in really subtle ways that'll fly under the radar. Like truss, chief engineer.
I really want to play my deck where I turn all my opponent's stuff into copies of Chaos Confetti during a Mindslaver turn....
They should add 1x Chaos Confetti in every pack just because "well you have to destroy it every time, so you have to buy more packs to get more"
I want to run an Alexander Clamilton deck. The idea of just running Questing Beast and Strixhaven and other "Wordy" cards just for the sake of it is so dumb.
lets get to 5k by the end of the year
All the silver border subgame cards come with the benefit that they expedite the subgame, like, i built a 60 card deck around casting The Countdown is at Zero as many times as possible and instantly winning it with forked bolt type effects. These cards are funny and breed creativity, and I'm always going to be playing to have fun through creativity
I've built similar decks around Yet Another Æther Vortex and Over My Dead Bodies. I want to build a deck around Grand Calcutron, but im still figuring that one out, and I will probably never build it in paper, but I want to build a seck based off of a meme where you use Yet Another Æther Vortex and Form of the Approach of the Second Sun to have you physically enter the battlefiepd as a copy of Slaying Mantis
I have a Pippa Dice Duchess edh deck using silver boardered dice rolling cards that all work mechanical with official rules and ive never had anyone complain about me using it
A reminder that Golos is banned and is undeniably more balanced than Nadu. Where Golos is '5-color goodstuff', Nadu is 'Simic goodstuff'. In the 'low to mid' powerlevel they claim to focus the ban list [They clearly don't care about the ban list, come on] Nadu is FAR more problematic.
Golos' ban reason: 'There are many problems with the card, but the greatest is that in the low-to-middle power level tiers where we focus the banlist, Golos is simply a better choice of leader for all but the most commander-centric decks. Its presence crushes the kind of diversity in commander choice which we want to promote.' Tribal Decks and Storm Decks aren't Golos' best place, such as Elf Tribal. Ban list should be completely redesigned every year, the current ban list should be fully unbanned, and they should start from scratch.
that one un planeswalker that uses that one website
2:17 I mean… For most of them, they could just declare that the “dexterity” action is fictionally performed by your planeswalker character instead
“Do you perform the Hokey Pokey?”
“I do”
Wizards have always said this, you and your group can play however you want if you all agree
Imagine a world where you have both contraptions and attractions in play XD
I'll just take apart all the attractions and turn them into contraptions thank you
Big Furry Monster should be treated as a legendary so someone can use it as their commander.
You missed the errata on Ashnod's Coupon
6:47 Common Courtesy is fun with Rector
I'd love to have a karark's other thumb in Mr House
I just want Krark's other thumb.
AWOL has long been my favorite un card, and seems perfectly fair to me.
Let me know when I can play my Infinity Elemental in Minsc & Boo, Timeless Heroes.
Oh yes flapping my arms and clucking like a chicken takes so much skill of course we can't allow that
I use saw in half in my death touch deck with Nazgul's. Pretty funny.
Brother, may I have some tabs?
I would love to play a crow storm in commander
I dont think nadu needs banned in commander
I would run jack in the mox in every 5 color deck i own.
Do I want the forbidden funny, yes, is it bad for me, yes.
Skeedelde skeedoodle, your hand is now a program, state based actions no longer apply, your creature dies to this armchair that was hidden behind by land, because that is what commander gameplay is now.
Besides that, I would like to present you my deck, my attraction deck and my contraption deck, and my sticker deck for shuffling.
Please don't put un-cards in commander, at least the cedh people (and yes, cedh is a part of commander, it is the same format, simply people building the best possible deck within the format) will probably get an heart attack.
Besides all that, many un cards simply do not work rules wise. My favourite for example masterful ninja, can be in your hand and on the battlefield at the same time. The rules do not support that, its that simple, endless rules debates will happen over what happens if you discard it, simply because it is not defined.
Even the allowed cards for example, Gleemax is a fancy way for yuriko to go "and now you all lose 10000... life" Mana screw makes infinite mana with krark or either of his thumbs, etc.
Besides that, look at me im the DCI might be salty, since it is the ONLY way to permanently get rid of a commander, sure, Ferris wheel can permanently phase out a commander, wich only 2 cards can save you from. But look at me can ban a card, so there is no form of protection (except counterspells), there is no way to get your commander back, even having your commander hang out in the command zone does not save it.
When it comes to enjoyment, I would totally play The Grand Calcutron, Split Screen and some of the sneak it into play for free cards. Besides that, anything that is broken beyond belief, because I like optimizing. For example, there is an artifact you can hide in play during your turn, and it has an ability for 0 where an opponent can return it to your hand. Imagine playing it, and saccing it in response to your opponent activating the return ability, thats a 0 mana priority jumping artifact right there.
Or alternatively, whipping it out from behind a land when saccing things to krark-clan shaman for an extra damage on the boardwhipe. Besides surprise ambushes, so much jank is possible.
Man, don't ban stickers... I've been trying to make those work since release
It's enough that they already allow universes beyond, and unifinity... Heck some newer sets like Outlaws, bloomburrow, and the coming "horror" set already feels like unsets in tone.
So making actual unsets legal wouldn''t bee out of line, but probably gonna stop EDH at that point, having to deal with people putting stickers on my 40 euro cards is already crossing the line.
i'm pretty sure there's a rule where you can only put stickers on your own cards
That’s against the rules. You can only put stickers on cards you actually own.
heh unintentional bee pun
@@miguelcamacho105Beads?!
If I see an un-card being played, I immediately scoop.
Imagine driving like 15 minutes out to a game and joining a commander game. You're a little late and don't notice the other commanders. Only after playing do you notice a hint of silver, but maybe it's white. Then it happens, you realize a player is running a Dr Julius Jumblemorph deck... THE FIEND!!! It's an extremely meh alternative mutate deck and your meta deck will clean up... But man, those icky silver borders, I wouldn't blame you for scooping, swearing at everyone in the store for accepting such horrors, then going home to beat your wife for merely existing in the same reality as silver border cards
@@smjsuperscott Was there a point in all that, or did you just want to practice your typing skills?
@@BAAWAKnight dude can't even imagine
@@smjsuperscott I hear barking, but I don't see any teeth.
@@BAAWAKnight I see someone who'd be on with a Mr house deck but scoop and walk if he saw a sword of dungeons and dragons, yet lacking a jester cap
5:21 Can’t forget about steamflogger boss!