HEAVY vs LIGHT Arrows With Video Proof (6 Shots on Deer)
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- Heavy vs Light arrows. Which do you prefer? Bryan Brown takes us through some of his experiences with heavy and light arrows and how they performed in multiple different scenarios. 6 shots shown on deer with 70 and 80 pound bows! What are your thoughts?
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I truly believe some of your Broadhead choices are also a direct result of the penetration issues you are seeing..... by the way just wanted to say you did a hell of a video
Thanks man. Some definitely penetrate better than others!
I have said no to any head with mechanics or replaceable blades. The plain g5 montec is a sweet spot for me but you have to sharpen them out of the box. The 150gr cutthroat single bevel is my current favorite setup.
Also deer #1 was definitely hit in the cartilage on the shoulder blade… deer #2 shot missed that cartilage
My left ear loved this video
Haha I kept pulling my ear buds out and re-installing thinking it was on my end.
@@jesse4530 lol fr its my pet peeve for videos i want to watch but i literally hate it to the point i just stop
WTF, i spent 5 minutes fucking around making sure my connection was right, muting, twisting, turning. My headphone are notorious for this anyway, but i can usually fix it to make it sound fine. Good thing i didnt order a new headset quick.
Settings>accessibility>audio&
visual>turn mono audio ON…ask me why I know 😂
Awesome footage and great shots
I’ve figured out that i like to be in 430-465 grain arrows i am shooting the the 4mm axis 300 spine and think i am around 450ish and they have impressed me
Yes...70lbs at 31" draw. Still I don't like going over 470grain ..start to really see the arc
It’s not just tuning with the 250 spine that’s better at heavy poundage, it has to do with energy on impact and how well it will stay behind the broad head. What’s his videos again and all his arrows with the light spine flex way to much on impact which equals loss of momentum. You can get a 340 to fly straight yes but when it impacts it won’t stay straight.
Excellent video! Really appreciate tinkering with equipment and using video to validate it one way or another
Thanks man. It's a lot of fun tweaking and fine tuning our equipment for sure!
Absolutely LOVE the archery content. Please give us more. Im a 30inch DL, pulling 60lbs on my Mathews Halon 6. I’ve gotten pass throughs on all but 1 deer that I’ve shot with that bow and 1 BIG hog. And that’s using fixed and mechanical blades. My arrow weight is about 450 grains. And that’s using only 100 grain broadheads.
450 grains does seem to be a good weight for a lot of people. Plenty heavy and still good trajectory!
Can’t go wrong listening to Tbone!
Thanks for real life video. Nice deer. Good variety of shots/setups.
Thanks for the comment Eric!
I'm very confused by one of your arrow setups talking about a 340 spine arrow with 100 grass insert in 100 grain tip according to every arrow chart I have ever seen that would be a weak spine also considering the fact I'm only shooting 70 lb with a 300 spine Arrow with a 75 grain brass insert in 125 grain point and just on the edge of being a little weak for my Black Eagle zombie slayers.. now I'm just chomping at the bit waiting for this upcoming deer season so I can try out my arrow build and I believe my arrow total weight was around ballpark around 530 grains
Depends on arrow specs
He said he has a 27 inch draw. If his arrow is cut short it could be like 26.5 inches and spines are measured at 28 inches. So his 340 is stiffer than someone else’s 340.
I have a 30.5 inch draw and 28-5/8 inch arrow. So if he had the same difference his arrow would dang near be 25 inches.
My draw is 27” also and my arrows are cut to 25” carbon to carbon. That short of an arrow dramatically stiffens the spine.
ya so @@easternadventures4254 25”, say 340 spine, is much stiffer than someone who has a long draw and cuts the arrow past the riser. They may have a 30.0-30.5 inch 340 arrow. Two totally different arrows
@@easternadventures4254 Some also argue the insert stiffens the spine. For instance, a 200 grain head would weaken a spine more than a 100 grain head with a 100 grain insert.
I'm very similar in setup. For 20yrs I've shot between 63 to 68# at 28" DL. I've shot every weight from 390 to 483grs. I've killed bears, deer, and turkey.
Even at 63lbs for many years I've had full pass through on shots just like that. Our deer here in PA aren't that big 165 to 185lb average. I spent years using rocket heads and rage after that. Past 5 years was rage and shwacker only. I've mixed a fixed head in nearly every year to for at least one kill to compare. I've killed with nearly every normal brand known over the 20yrs. Still I run mechincals for the cut size, bow draw 28", and draw weight now is 71 to 75lbs for hunting. My arrow weight is still 420 to 440gr tops.
My results with a setup smaller or similar I've never had issues like that but I've never liked sevr bc of the swing blades. Not saying that's it but my mind I don't want that movement in blades. I've tagged out nearly every year but 4 years on everything in that without bears included. This makes me question more what did you hit inside, was it the head, etc compared to what I've seen and expirenced myself. Mystical arrow flight as always. Great video!
Much better results for me after increasing arrow weight. I'm not someone who is obsessed with sticking the arrow 8 inches in the ground behind the animal but it definitely is better to have 2 holes than 1! Keep tinkering!
Now Entering... All the UA-cam experts in the comments. Great video! Glad T-Bone is helping us bring light back to the archery world. This video is Sirius Archery Approved😂😂
I came straight to the comment section with popcorn
You do realize that he is using some of the same studies as the other guy to bring "this light back"
This more sounds like a broadhead selection issue rather than weight or poundage. The G5 heads are deadly.
I enjoyed hearing your thoughts and videos backing them up. I have been shooting for a long time and have always gone the way of lighter arrows but trying to keep my FOC above 12%. My current setup is a 70# Hoyt RX1 Ultra at 29.5 with a 500-grain arrow flying right at 270fps. i like to keep my speeds from 270 - 285 for hunting. The majority of my hunting is out west, with an average shot of 40-50 yds. This setup is bit heavier than what my past setups have been, but the penetration and results have been great. My Bear this year shot with a G5 100grn Megameat zipped through him like butter on a frontal shot. The arrow bounced off a tree and landed 20 yards behind. One blade was bent but other than that all good, change the blades and ready for the next hunt. The bear made it about 30yds with an amazing blood trial. So, I would agree with having a little extra weight but not going so far as the extreme setups out there.
Thanks for the comment thumpax! A 500 grain arrow at 270 is a heavy hitter for sure!
Great video. Ever since I stepped up to 580 to 600 grains I've had alot better success
OMG! In my 40 years of bowhunting I’ve seen it all and seen it all argued. Lol. I left 80# bows behind long ago. And since around 2008 or 9 I’ve killed many deer with 350ish grain arrow setups with mainly Rage original heads and 70# draw on a 27.5” draw. And of all the deer I’ve shot I missed recovering three. So I think my stats are pretty good. Rage Extreme worked for me, but I didn’t get pass through on any of those kills. Deadmeat I’ve shot some in recent years with excellent performance. And as an avid archer you gotta know I’ve hunted with many friends over the years and helped recover or track deer as well. I’ve seen a lot and done a lot and I can say for me I’ll take the speed with the right mech all day long because I’m not planning for a bad shot. Your first deer example and your second example I think I see why the difference in the two. Nonetheless you displayed six examples and all were lethal. One thing I also don’t hear mentioned often, and that’s how an animal’s movement robs energy/penetration.
Good video. Rock on.
Thanks for the comment xforce!
With the Easton setup you are around 15% FOC with the 340 spine. A 250 spine in that arrow will bump your TAW to 498ish and still be around 14%, which will not only tune better, but also prevent energy leaks from arrow wobble on contact. A stiffer arrow at 500 grains + fixed head = good penetration. You should consider giving the VPA Omega a try - patented one piece machined design (100% Made in the USA) with nothing to move or replace. It's a hybrid head, part single bevel and part double bevel, as tough a head as you will find and penetrates like no other.
Man I wish you could help me, I have short draw length 26in 28in arrows gold tip hunter xt 300 spine.
With 100gn heads my foc is 10.7 with a 125gn head I’m at 14. Something, so would it be a no brainer to shot 125gn
Hoyt rx5 70lb draw and help would be appreciated
I may have missed it, but what size SEVR were you shooting? Surprised no consistent pass through
Was that bow ever tuned?
with the light weight, light spine, short range examples versus the better penetration of the same arrow and broadhead at 30+: I'm pondering if maybe the paradox added friction on the chip shots, and it had straightened out for the longer. In the absence of a bone strike in my observation, it seems like ive had better penetration with those light setups at that medium range. All that being said, ive been moving to heavier setups with higher FOC also, because ive got better results, regardless of draw weight. Thanks for the good video
I think that's a spot on observation Steve. Thanks for the comment!
To be honest, on your first 2 shots it looks like poor arrow launch was the problem on your 12 yd shot…the nock waved around a lot after impact. On your second shot, much longer distance, you can see the flight correction hence the better penetration.
That comment at 9:30 where you said you knew he was quartering to you and you were concerned about being able to put the arrow where it should of been. Instead you decided to shoot far back. That should be a red flag right there, you knew your setup couldn't do what it needed to and you risked shooting at a less lethal spot. There is 0 need for 80lbs, shoot a quality fixed blade and leave it be. KE doesn't matter
This could have been valuable information.
But, when the 3 key components, draw weight, arrow weight, mechanical/fixed broadhead are changed.
It would have been better, if you were shooting the same bow at 70lbs, with the same broadhead, and with the different arrow weights.
This would be a better light vs heavy comparison.
I shot mechanicals for years and will never touch one again, the quality of the metal uses on the moving blades is thin and susceptible to breaking/bending. I've spent way more money on replacing broken/bent mechanicals than the three fixed blade broadheads I've been using for the past four years, sharpen and go hunt again. Great videos on your shots that is the best way to learn and figure out what works best.
I'd use a heavier spine than 300 if you're pulling 80#'s...That's at the low end of adequate...I shoot with 250 spine arrows...At 80#'s you need a Heavy Spine arrow...When you can shoot a 450-500 gr arrow @ 80#'s, and it's an absolute clothesline at 40-50 yds, you'll have serious pass throughs on your deer...Also, 15%-18% FOC is perfect for those arrow weights and draw weight...It gives you a flatter trajectory and serious pass throughs...Good luck on your experiments!
Man you're talking too much sense here lol. I actually miss the days of aluminim arrows and min 125 grain heads in all stores.
Yeah, at 80+ lbs on your DW. That 340 spine is weak for you. Also, you’re brave using a mechanical at that short of DL. I’ve had similar shots and not end well. I lost two bucks to a swhacker and rage. One buck ended up a mile from the property in a goat barn and had to be euthanized by a game warden. The arrow was still in him, and when they examined him after swhacker never deployed never was sticking in a rib.
I’m shooting 71.8 lbs dw at 26.5 dl and 300 spine is the lowest I’ll go. I also had issues with slick trick with their flight even when tuned properly. I’ve had success with magnus stingers and now TOTA XL.
I would call 430 to 550 a midweight arrow. I would never recommend shooting a mechanical with anything lighter than that. When I went to 455 grains and 14% foc things changed dramatically with mechanical heads. My two favorites are the Sevr 1.5 and 1.75. I don't see the need for the 2" as I don't like unpredictable penetration. I also learned that tuning is EXTREMELY important with mechanical's. If your arrows and bow are not super tuned your penetration will suck.
g5 Montec is the dullest piece of whistling trash right out of the plastic. He's shooting a Dead meat, not a Mega meat; they are one of the more reliable expendables. At 27" DL, He can get away with a 300 spine and be fine, 340 with that much weight up front is a little light with 80lbs. 250 will work but its to stiff in my opinion based of what I have shot over the years. Personally a 430-480grain arrow is the perfect arrow weight for white tail, and other critters. 30grains of arrow weight is 10fps give or take. 280fps is a sweet spot for fixed blades to fly really well. Some of those shots looked great you can see for yourself the ones that squared into 1 or 2 ribs, and the one that missed both completely and zipped right through the deep at sub 400 grains. Pick your best flying fixed blade, or your favorite mechanical and just make good shots.. if you make a good shot and you don't get greedy and take silly shots your going to kill everything with your setup.
No doubt that at the end of the day, accuracy wins! Gotta be able to put it where you want it!
It's crap
Shot placement is everything. You killed all the deer you shot at.The one's that went the farthest were the shots weren't the best. They weren't terrible but some were better than others. Again, shot placement is everything. Both set ups work, especially on deer.
you added 50 grains 🙄
that first shot for sure was not a money shot and the 2nd was not the boiler room both those shots where what I call back based off where i try and hit right up the leg lower 1/3rd . 550 is as low as I will go on deer and I will aim right at the shoulder on that 3rd shot and that iron will will punch through it been there done that also before carbon we used heavy arrows out of slower bows and killed the piss out of deer.. I can shoot my 550 grains out to 125 on my site tape im also shooting 82 pounds but at 29 inches and all my arrows are 250 spine . I see a lot of folks shoot where you shoot back instead of the heart and I think its cause they dont have confidence in there arrow I sure would not call 479 heavy my 3d bow I use 450 grain arrows those where some fine bucks man congrats... I think the 4th shot was the best shot of them all God Bless
Ditto, I rarely ever see a good shot on deer from UA-camrs, there always 4" back of the crease middle of the body and they always say smoked them, but then again most of them are shooting expandables and light arrows to get maximum speed, so I spose there not confident in hitting them in the right spot
Your shooting 80lbs you need to be in the 250 spine. I have found that shooting a 300 spine out of my mid 70s bow with 50 grains of brass and I’m in the low 500s. In my honest opinion in your going to use mechanicals you need better built one like the new sevrs and the rages that are made out of something other aluminum. Seems to help also is touching up blades for sharpness before hunting.
Relax on the 250 spine stuff guys... your simply giving bad information. There are people shooting 350 spine arrows albeit with not as much weight up front but slightly less at a longer draw length and 80+/- 2 lbs. Boards are just as hard to tune as an arrow that is to light of a spine. Don't get suckered into this 250 stuff, build 1 or 2 arrows in a .300 spine and see how you get them to fly.
250 spine is helluva lot better than 340 at 82lbs and more than 28"draw. 300 should do fine but so will 250 again both being much better move than 340, ultimately comes down to the brand/model of arrow aswell. Easton calls for 300-250 spine for arrows 28-30" CTC at 79-84lbs. Can't really be "over spined" just adds more TAW
300 spine should be just right. My arrows are about like crossbow bolts 😂 25.5 carbon to carbon.
@bryanbrown1476 T-Rex arms like Cameron Hanes 😬 you should get a 90lb hoyt too! Lol, but That was my point depends on the setup, some guys have long draws and need 250-200 spine arrows, other are shorter draw and need 300 spine at 80+lbs always harp on following the spine charts no mater the brand tho. Happy hunting man!
If it shoots bulletholes its fine, if not, it's not.
@jesse4530 not necessarily, anyone can get bullet holes out of any setup.
There's so many factors at play with the lighter set-up. That being said, that first shot definitely hit the opposite leg bone. Not to mention, you're shooting a mechanical broadhead. I shouldn't even have to mention the series of issues with that. I don't care how light your arrow is, if it's a well placed shot, and a single bevel fixed blade broadhead, you will always get lethal penetration. That also being said, weired stuff happens in hunting no matter the setup.
82lbs and a 340 spine. That's pretty dumb. If your "manning" up to 80lbs... why not build a solid 550gr arrow?? You "gotta go fast" there Ricky Bobby? Is it because of your "pin gaps" lol
70/80lbs...250 spine...550gr...a GOOD fixed head and like a magnus or a single bevel.
Definitely your under spine for what your shooting and go to 125 broadhead too
When you shoot servr don’t expect much
This is interesting.. however without giving us the FPS on the arrows...its like telling us half the story.
The bait thing is irritating, sure it works but its cheating and doesnt say much about yourself as a hunter . Hello via BC . Jeez guys
A ramcat will deflect right off the humerus 🦴 with a 460 gr setup 70lb /28in draw ….bumped up to 625 after that zipped through like butter and that was with a sevr