Let licensed and unlicensed tournaments run unabated. This clinging to their IP to such lengths is tiresome. They should be happy so many people like the game. If they want to run their own licensed tourneys that's cool, shutting down or trying to control unlicensed ones isn't. If the unlicensed tourneys do better than theirs, that just means they need to do better or get with the program and properly and fairly license the hard working members of the community.
I think the first step would be to realize how bad the PR has been up until this point, and how that will influence any conversations you have with the community. The main reasons things like this last scandal happen is because Nintendo's reps and the actual players and organizers are not on the same page. People are wary of interacting with Nintendo, because even outside of Smash they have been unwilling to set up a way forward for broadcasters/organizers to build on their IP. It's unreasonable to expect Nintendo to open up the can of worms that is IP law and give blanket approval to all mods. No one expects that. However, if Nintendo was willing to sit down and provide a path to get approval for quality of life mods, their PR would improve immediately. For Melee, mods like the Universal Controller Fix or Slippi streaming make the experience better for both players and viewers in a way that doesn't encroach on Nintendo's IP. Historical precedent makes TOs and players wary of working with Nintendo because Nintendo's blanket dissaproval of all mods only makes the experience worse for everyone involved. Setting up an approval process for these kinds of mods for licensed tournaments is probably pretty difficult, but even just working with TOs on a case by case basis to approve just the 2 I mentioned (UCF and Slippi streaming) would go MILES in improving Nintendo's PR and make it easier for them to work with the community in the future, and is definitely worth navigating the legal challenges.
The biggest problem is that Nintendo doesn't really have an actual relationship with the Smash community. To Smashers, they are a faceless, voiceless entity that really only shows up to shut down tournaments every now and then. Kinda like the asshole uncle that shows up to family Christmas every once in a while and always manages to mess up the vibe. For this to change, Nintendo needs to handle esports in a manner similar to their contemporaries (i.e. Bamco, Capcom, Riot). They need to have a public facing competitive games department, with the licensing details being public and easy enough for anyone who wants to run official tournaments to follow. There needs to be transparency and communication for every event organizer at every level. It shouldn't be such a strange, nebulous process to get an official license, and there shouldn't be one org positioning as The Guys™️ that will get your tournament a license. The reason things went south is because Panda's CEO wanted to be The Guy and it started to get ugly when people were put off by one org having that kind of power.
@@Soundwves 100% agree. Transparency on the license approval process, and really just a forum where players can openly voice their suggestions for improvements and concerns would honestly just solve the PR problem. The only reason people scream into the void is because there is no real way of communicating our frustrations with Nintendo without being the CEO of Panda. Panda took Nintendo's trust and instead of working with Nintendo to make the process of getting a license more open, they purposefully obscured the nature of their relationship for their own gain. Even if Panda had turned out to have everyone's best interest at heart, limiting communications to just one org with a limited perspective on the rest of the scene was doomed to failure.
Just let the community run unlicensed events its that simple. They'd have an argument to shut SWT down if there were modded versions of the game, but SWT played by all the rules and gave them plenty of time. This all happened because Nintendo lagged on making a decision for months to reply to their request for a license just to get in the way at the last minute. For all the talk about how unprofessional the smash community is, Nintendo comes across just as bad here. They had months to communicate their stance on unlicensed events. This could have saved SWT so much money if they could cancel before they booked the venue and accommodations for the event. Now the organizers are out hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of hours of wasted time. If Nintendo ACTUALLY cares about repairing their relationship with the community, they have to realize that they should only interact with the community when its ABSOLUTELY necessary like mods of their IP. The community is rightfully distrustful of Nintendo so you'd have to prove that you care about fixing the relationship over time with your actions.
Hey y'all, I'm one of the players invited to the Smash WiiU Nintendo event you mentioned. You may have been the one I spoke to on the phone!-- just wanted to say thank you for all of the insight. We are all listening ❤️
Maybe it's somewhat of a reach too, but Pokémon B/W/B2/W2 gave me those Christmas vibes with the seasons rotation because when you played the game in December it was winter and it was all snowy. Even though I lived in a tropical country with no seasons, it was a very nice touch. And of course, the obvious choice being Animal Crossing
I mean they said a whole lot of other things too. It's bizarre to me how strong the selective hearing is from the Smash community. The situation only happened because as they said, some kids couldn't handle their moms telling them "no, don't do that." The Smash scene has the potential to get really big, and the lack of maturity from at least the tournament heads (that includes everybody including Alan and the SWT members etc, before you speak in defense of SWT, they caused the loss of a lot of jobs and probably caused a lot more than $100,000 in damages by airing this in public, not to mention the countless harassment) essentially cause the Smash community to be this niche thing that gets banned from a bunch of venues for property damages. Smash community also wants to be childish but also just have all the rights, too. If that were the case, then they should've developed that game themselves. The community's combined wallets probably can't fund the development of something like Smash. If you understand that, then you can easily understand why Nintendo is being so anal about it. Maybe it's time to grow up, or don't grow up and accept that you won't get to do everything you want to do for free.
@@monkeylemur Pretty much this, the Smash TO's talked about how Panda threatened them when they outright threw Panda under the bus and destroyed the entire community over business negotiations and spreading rumors/forming bias opinions through personal DMs. The Ken guy sounded completely apathetic/sociopathic in how he handled Alan's statement and openly bad mouthed him publicly before SWT's statement. I don't trust most of the Smash TO's and wouldn't want to deal with them seeing how cut throat their publicity tactics are.
@@monkeylemur You need to realise that it's not just Nintendo telling us "no," but more specifically them doing nothing, and then saying "no" the last minute after everything was paid for. This isn't the first, or most egregious time. If you look back to EVO 2013, Nintendo waited until a day or two before the tourney, after smashers raised a ton of money for cancer research (I think), and then tried to shut it down. Fortunately, there was enough backlash that Nintendo backed off on that one, but, despite that being almost 10 years ago, that's kind of the precedent that we have when it comes to Nintendo dealing with Smash.
@@alexisxg If you think it's actually kids running the tourneys, you've probably not been to one. Maybe my local scene is different (I doubt it), but none of the tournaments I've attended have been run by kids.
N64 games were really good at building worlds that always get me in the Christmas spirit! Cool Cool Mountain in Super Mario 64, Freezeezy Peak in Banjo-Kazooie, Shiver Star in Kirby 64, and Snowflake Mountain in Diddy Kong Racing to name a few
Been in the Smash scene since 2006, turned it into a career for casting to show my passion to the game and the community with Smash Wii U and Ultimate. Really appreciate this insight to people outside the community that might not know the full story. All of this sounds extremely accurate, I'm glad you guys were involved with a ton of the background stuff the past 10 years, you guys really care.
It was very interesting to hear your thoughts on the whole Smash thing. I just watch tournaments a lot and I’ve never played competitive before, but seeing all this happen is just sad on a ton of fronts. I particularly agree that there needs to be a lot of growing up. Loved that take. Keep podcasting, great episode!
Nintendo (and in this case, NoA) really needs to set up a team to manage eSports. Have someone to decide if and when to license their competitions, set their own or just be available to be asked by organisers if they need to do things about it.
@@MyselfTheThird People keep saying this but also keep begging for Nintendo to "make it esports". Without a governing body, or third party company managing it, it will never happen at this point.
@@NvaderGir Nobody with actual experience in Smash wants Smash to be esports. We are FGC in our roots and our heritage. We get our own sponsors, advertise our own tourneys, book our own venues and run our own streams. Esports has nothing on Smash, and anyone looking to "make it esports" means to do so only for control (Nintendo) or profit (Panda).
The problem is that Nintendo never cared about making their own tournaments, in fact, they even sent multiple Cease and desist to fan tournaments. For that reason, the Smash Community has managed its own tournaments, leaderboards, books, sponsorships, etc. For me, the right call was to have their own 'official' tournament but let the people run their own tournaments as well. Like GF did with the Pokémon VGC scene, I remember that before it the only 'entity' that controlled the Competitive Scene was Smogon. Now, this is the worst timeline possible, we don't have either the Fan SWT or the 'official' Pandacup. The sponsors and teams will be scared to invest in the Smash Community, The players felt betrayed by Nintendo one more time, and Nintendo will not invest in the Competitive Scene because of this experience. No one is winning
I don't know why Nintendo is so hostile towards the Smash community. I understand being hesitant on giving a license, but like sending a letter on Thanksgiving weekend, 2 or 3 weeks before the end of the circuit, telling them they cannot run the tournament and refusing to give a license, and then going into PR mode saying, "Well we didn't tell them to cancel the tournament. We just implied that if they didn't, we'll shut it down, so we didn't do anything wrong." It's just disingenuous and extremely vile towards competitive players who spent time and money competing for an entire year with Nintendo stringing them along saying they won't shut this circuit down only to shut it down in the end. Nintendo needs to be better about this whole situation, full stop. It's like they have zero sympathy for international players who already paid for this event and is actually in the U.S. currently for the event. This one single decision has made an entire community fear for their own career of being a competitive player, or being a commentator for Smash, or even organizing tournaments. A community that has been battered for over a decade because they wanted to play a game in a way that Nintendo disapproved of. And if that isn't the case, Nintendo sure as hell is doing a horrendous job communicating that. It just feels like they're strong arming the community to self implode and hoping they go away from everyone losing faith in hosting tournaments while pretending like they care.
They never said this. Nintendo never sent a shutdown notice and outright said they were not going to. To me, it sounds like SWT misheard Nintendo's statement which seems like the only thing they did say to SWT was that they could not grant them a license for SWT in 2022 and 2023. Again, Nintendo made it clear in their statement and alot of this just sounds like SWT misheard their statement and then proceeded to throw Panda Global under the bus for no reason other than TO's beef and rumors/bad mouthing behind the scenes.
@@YightLagami You would be right if historically Nintendo didn't consitently contact tournaments with exactly such messages as a warning, followed up with a real Cease & Desist, when not taken serious. In this case they explicitly said the days of holding tournaments without a license are over & also that there were health concerns (which clearly is a bad scapegoat to get out of this PR mess). They have sued for less. So given the historical evidence / fact that Nintendo will most likely follow up on their warning with a cease & desist, if not taken seriously, it'd be SEVERELY irresponsible to hold a tournament this big nonetheless. Nintendo said they'll only allow events that have a license, SWT asked if they could get one, Nintendo said no, SWT asked if they could still proceed without a license as previously agreed, Nintendo said "those days are over". That's why the context and history of the Smash competitive scene & Nintendo plays such a big role here.
@@YightLagami That explains why they called Nintendo right after, only for Nintendo to tell them they cannot run a tournament without a license, and they will not give them a license. Very clearly misheard Nintendo there.
@@ShallBePurified Yes, because the only thing SWT heard was, "Those times are over now." Which could be referring to those times to get a license in 2022/2023 are over now. The fact that Nintendo reiterated that fact again and the fact that SWT even stated that Nintendo said this before multiple times during the year that they didn't need a license to run the event and reaffirmed it again in their official statement. There is no benefit to taking down this tournament with no actual monetary gains or even any particular risk associated with it as far as we can tell. Nintendo has no reason to be hostile when they wanted to build better relations with the community and openly state that they're still willing to license events.
No. At this point the majority of the competitive smash community wants to stay as far away from Nintendo as possible. That's prob the most common stance
@@tormint5294 Isn’t trying to stay away from them kind of the problem All of this is happening is because you guys keep trying to resist Nintendo’s control If you just give in and do what Nintendo says everything would probably end up better honestly
I think the reason we're seeing so much promotion for the Mario movie is because 1) they have to undo the damage the previous attempt at a Mario movie did 2) They are aware of the negative reception to some people's voices/casting that they think the more you see/hear may get people used to it by the time the movie comes out 3) They have invested a lot of time and money in this, and want to make sure it's a huge hit so they are not going to be lazy with the material, but quite the opposite
I feel like Nintendo's Mario movie response is just to bring themselves into that market similar to Disney expanding their market. All of this sounds like common sense to me. They want the movie to be profitable and are obviously making sure the quality of the movie is incredibly high and advertise it as much as possible and then in turn sell more games.
I think at this point, it's nearly universally understood that Nintendo being involved in Smash (particularly Melee) is a net-negative and the competitive community should stay very far away from them.
Isn’t trying to stay away from them kind of the problem All of this is happening is because you guys keep trying to resist Nintendo’s control If you just give in and do what Nintendo says everything would probably end up better honestly
@@madnessarcade7447 history says otherwise. Any time Nintendo gets involved things always get worse in the competitive scenes. Just look at Splatoon, Smash, etc.
Funny thing to point out about vampire survivors is that it was developed by a guy who used to work on slot machines and other gambling machines, so it makes perfect sense why he'd know what makes scratch that itch on people to keep playing. Fortunately it's not that hard nor it takes too long to 100%, managed to complete it within a week with an hour or two, three tops, each day
I haven’t watched much of your guys podcast. Now after listening I want to listen to more. It’s definitely sad about the whole Smash Bros situation. Hope things get better in the future.
sideloading usually just refers to installing software from a local file rather than using the officially supported storefront (e.g. google play store, apple app store, etc.)
One thing I will say on the topic of publishers proof reading reviews for accuracy, I have seen reviews of games that spent a large amount of time complaining about a problem that is nonexistent simply because they overlooked an option that could be changed in the settings
I’m actually playing through Kirby’s Epic Yarn for the first time right now and loving it! I haven’t gotten to Snow Land yet, but every level feels so creative and distinct. It really is a joy. And I hope you two enjoyed The Game Awards last night!
Donkey Kong is about to be half of Nintendo's theme park space, there were rumors of a DK movie in the works, and a new Donkey Kong game is extremely long overdue. The gorilla used to be one of their flagship IPs before they lost Rare, I think there's about to be a big push for DK in the next year or so, which is why he and the Kongs so prominent in the Mario Movie.
Snowball Park from 3D World and Crisp Climb Castle from Bowser's Fury are fantastic festive stages to play around the holidays. Love the level music. There was one in Wooly World too, but I can't remember the name. That game is all around cozy. Spirit Tracks is a "Holiday" game to me just b/c how it came out so close too the holidays
Great episode, Kit & Krysta and thank you for mentioning the fitness channel at the 1:47:27 mark! It’s great seeing your community full of good people respond well to the exercise videos. More are on the way! 💪🥋 I’m stoked for the Game Awards and maybe I’ll see you while you’re down in LA. 😁 Valuable Super Smash Bros. feedback, too, and Kit…I’m glad you’re feeling better!
Pretty interesting perspective on the Smash drama. I definitely have my gripes with Nintendo and how they treat Smash but it was cool hearing you two break it down.
What QA process? No offense, but the patreon question taking issue with people pointing out the technical issues doesn't matter to most of the people who play and enjoy Pokemon. They are having fun, and that's all that matters to them.
Kit: "Re-release Kirby's Epic Yarn, Nintendo!" Kirby's Extra Epic Yarn on the 3DS: "Am I a joke to you?" To be fair, no one was talking about that game even when it released so.
Christmas decorated podcast. Awesome. Also, I agree with Krysta...that tree isnt hot pink lol I love how you guys are just casually plotting to kidnap Geoff & take his place as host for GOTY 2022 lol Kit: The grocery store is jammed with people who don't know what they are doing Me: Ahh so you've been to Wal-Mart 😂 Sheesh, that whole mess with the Smash community sounds really frustrating Regarding the Mario movie, when Kit said something like "Do this one, make sure it's a hot, then move on to another IP" it got me thinking....what if they do an MCU kinda think with a couple movies about various Nintendo characters then bring them all together in a Super Smash Bros movie? Like a Avengers but everybody's fighting each other 😂 Dang, I'd really like to hear more of that Miiverse story that Krysta started... Well, that was another great podcast. Now to wait for the GOTY Awards 2022!
Another great episode. The Smash Community vs Nintendo is a must see for sure. Times do grow apart and consistency is something we need to see more of, especially with Nintendo. Glad to hear both Kit and Krysta's respective on Nintendo and Smash Bros. Holiday spirit inbound! I never knew a pink Christmas tree is a thing until I heard about this episode along with Nintendo Minute segments, good times. Kit glad ypur feeling better 99.99%. Hope the 2022 Game Awards was a blast minus the ending lol.
Anyone else remember We Ski on the Wii? That game is peak Christmas vibes. It was also developed by Bandai Namco so I wonder if Kit has any involvement with it, or at least remembers it in any capacity.
For the Smash Community part, I think the health and safety talk is not a bad reason. There was a statement that the Smash World Tour people made that had some very bad topics and this happened before the got the last call. Nintendo maybe doesn’t appreciate hearing all the stuff that happened there. Like there was a whole movement that caused the response from the head of VGBC
I agree with that. Like it not long ago with 2020 with the whole pedo situation happen. Like smash community for some reason unban nario for even those he has relations with underage kid. Like if the smash community wants Nintendo to leave them alone then they have to be accountable for their own action.
Im glad to hear Kit also stand with the fac that "the player base is part of the major problem." And it really is. As a former TO so many of the participants are good apples, but SO MANY are still bad apples and they truly ruin it for everyone around them. Until players can and are able to report and hold other players accountable for their garbage behavior. Nothing will change. TO's need to do more, attendees need to do more, and aside from Nintendo being ridiculous, you can't blame them for not wanting to put their hands or name on the events. But I'll tell you what, my time TO-ing for 2-3 years was a bloody nightmare. From Melee players acting like literal unhinged children temper tantruming because you asked them to throw their trash in a trash can, to death threats in my personal life, or being harassed in my personal spaces, to people stealing money, and terrible attitude and language. So much of the smash community that is 25-30+ still act like little wanna be edgy 12 year olds. Its ridiculous.
The smash community really needs to become more centralized. Take a moment to communicate to the major players and organizers and come up with a central governing body; but also they need to realize who they’re dealing with and that they need play by Nintendo’s rule. It doesn’t help that the community itself puts out a messy toxic image that is not any helpful or desirable.
Highly recommend Cthulu Saves Christmas for those looking for a holiday game! A great, funny turn-based RPG that you can beat in a day! And it'll definitely get you in the Christmas spirit!
Appreciate that Kit & Krysta are openly confirming what we in the community already know - which is that Nintendo's goal with the Panda partnership was to impose their control on the scene. What I don't appreciate is the paternalism. Maybe it's because I only participate in the Melee scene, which is older; but the way they describe the Smash community is unrecognizable to me. I regularly attend events organized by Beyond the Summit, VGBC, and even more deeply-grassroots orgs that put on locals all around the US. They have been, without exception, highly professionally-run events, run on decades of community organizing experience. I don't know how Kit & Krysta could listen to someone like Blur, Bobby Scar, or Ludwig talk us through this bump in the road and arrive at the conclusion that our community needs some growing-up. These are seasoned, mature individuals with a very clear vision for our scene, and I feel safe and confident in their leadership.
They mentioned that the people in Japan want something wrt smash, but didn't spell it out explicitly, only saying it was a difficult conversation to have. Does anyone know what they are referring to here? 1:12:37
Thanks for the great insight! I really liked the Nintendo Versus initiative, too bad there were too many other bad things going left and right, but I really enjoyed it.
1:40:06 I disagree with Krysta here. Nintendo actually does have a pretty good track record for backwards compatibility. GameCube games were playable on the Wii. Game Boy and Game Boy color games were playable on the GBA. GBA games were playable on the DS. DS games were playable on the 3DS. Wii games were playable on the Wii U. Usually, the next gen Nintendo console supports backwards compatibility for the previous console. The Switch is an oddity in that regard, but they wouldn’t have benefited much from Wii U backwards compatibility since the Wii U sales were so poor. Plus, the extra effort of adding a disk drive just for that backwards compatibility wouldn’t be worth it since Switch games are cartridges. If the next gen Nintendo console after the Switch also uses cartridges, I could definitely see it being backwards compatible with the Switch, and now that they’re more settled with NSO and user accounts, transferring your already purchased digital copies of games to the new system should be easier for them to keep track of.
Surprised no mention of ACNH. I really loved the first holiday experience in 2020 as a real way to enjoy Christmas. I did check it out in 2021 as I was already on the downslide of playing the game, but definitely contemplating booting it up for like the first time in like 6 months just to experience the fun holiday stuff.
With Vampire Survivors, this is second-hand, so don't take my word for it. The dev used to work for big company making mobile slot machine games, so they very much understand how to make things addicting, and I'm surprised they haven't put any microtransactions in. Also, Kit, idk if you're there yet... but some leveled up weapons can be combined. Try Garlic with Pummarola (the red heart) ;p
Will you guys still be on the Nintendo Power Podcast year end round up episode? It was always enjoyable to hear you all together. Thanks for all the great content!
so question, I don't know if this was talked about in a previous episode cause I am a new viewer, is there any reason why nintendo doesnt traditionally go for more powerful hardware? I ask because I wonder if they understand with better hardware they could make even more ambitious games than they already do, like a pikmin game with over 500 pikmin on screen with no frame drops.
Nintendo had explained this in the past They used to But there’s not much you could do with that besides incremental improvements Nintendo got bored of power they wanted to be different It’s played out and it’s boring They shifted their focus to focusing on trying to provide a whimsical and really creative and unique experience you can’t get anywhere else
Power is irrelevant to them they care more about the fun Would you rather play a game to have fun or to just stare at a rock’s texture If you want good graphics go outside That’s not the point Honestly if you guys want good graphics/texture go outside cuz that’s not what Nintendo is about Nintendo is about whimsy and wonder and sense of adventure and the cast of unique and colorful characters and the friends you make along the way The Nintendo characters themselves are what make the games so good not graphics I mean graphics wasn’t what got us into these franchises in the first place was it It was the charm of the worlds and being able to play with friends and make new friends that has always been the charm of Nintendo from the beginning to now and forever Nintendo is completely inspired and unlike any other games that exist it’s extremely one of a kind and unique No one can replicate it and be successful at it despite many attempts Nintendo games are cozy and that’s why they’re fun
The problem is that Sony and Microsoft lose money with their consoles in the first years because that kind of hardware is really expensive ( You can find that you need at least 1000$+ to build a CPU with similar HW Specs), but as time passes the original HW will be cheaper. They can do that strategy because they need to have a console with good specs to satisfy their userbase but they also need a good price They can assume that risk because they are huge companies compared to Nintendo which is more focused on gaming, so they need to sell Nintendo Switch with profit ( Cheap Hardware)
I think the next system, if it is a Switch 2 type thing with the same form factor probably will carry over games, saves and so on. With the transition being so seamless with PS4 to 5, and Xbox as well, I don’t think people would stand for it. And also the fact that retro games are now part of a subscription indicates to me that they know they can’t get away with not rolling over purchases anymore. We also have cloud saves, so it should be straightforward. Except for Animal Crossing of course.
The price increase for the Xbox first party games is in line with current trends in general and plus strategic move to make people see more value in getting Game Pass
The thing is whenever Nintendo said they never asked Smash World Tour to cancel their finale, Smash World Tour had written proof that Nintendo told them they would not grant them a license and upon asking if they could run without a License, Nintendo said "those times were over." Like technically they didn't tell them to cancel, but they did not give a license, and they would get shut down if they ran without a license. And if they were fine with the finale, why did Nintendo urgently tell them the literal day before Thanksgiving 2 weeks before the event that they would not license it?
"Those times were over" is the most vague statement that could mean anything. It could also be referring to the license in question meaning that the time to get a license for 2022/2023 is over. If you look at the "proof" SWT posted, the email is just stating that they would not be able to grant SWT a license for 2022/2023 due to them not meeting their expectations. 1st expectation is that they announced the event before actually getting approval by Nintendo and then running the circuit without Nintendo's approval. By that point, the time for SWT to get their license is over for 2022 and 2023. Besides that, SWT was pestering Nintendo to get a response about their license while Nintendo was already busy with other things like Panda Cup which was already being worked on 3 years ago prior to SWT's announcement. Nintendo eventually got the time to decide the license issue and gave them their response after they finished their other deals. They likely did it on a deadline/goal of finishing most their december workings prior to thanksgiving.
@@YightLagami from Nintendo's written statement to SWT: "It is Nintendo’s expectation that an approved license be secured in order to operate any commercial activity featuring Nintendo IP." There is no vagueness.
Nintendo told them they wouldn’t shut down the competition in question. Sounds like SWT shut it down because they weren’t given the license for future events after this one. Basically SWT threw a tantrum and cancelled their own event, blamed Nintendo, and are hoping that the anger they created will be directed at and pressure Nintendo into giving them their license for future events. So SWT is the one that threw away all the work and money that went into this tourney in hopes of securing future events. Why not just meet the requirements Nintendo laid out for obtaining a license? What’s so hard about that?
Interesting thoughts about how early the Mario movie stuff is coming out relative to release date. As much as I would hate this, maybe the demographic who tunes in to Nintendo Directs isn't considered big enough to "play their cards" too early for a general audience?
Eh, from what I can tell the Smash Bros tournament organizers are amateur, but very willing to put in the work and do whatever they need to. If they saw a hoop to jump through, I strongly believe they would do it. On the other hand, if they invest their very limited money into a tournament and Nintendo cancels it without a way to fix things and un-cancel, they will be furious. If nintendo required a 10% cut of profits, but gave the tournament a license and something to award for first prize, I feel like that would be considered a win
About the Mario movie trailers, yes that's an Illumination thing. They are notorious for marketing their movies to death because they make so much money off of such mid products that the have to shove it in your face until you finally cave in to watch it. If anything the Mario movie has been marketed less than their other movies it feels like, and I guess it's because they don't want to spoil too much and the product sells itself, it looks really good and I was sold on the first trailer alone. So maybe it's their confidence that the Mario name will sell and especially people seeing the quality of the artstyle and animation, they know word of mouth and social media will carry here
LOL these Christmas stories were funny! I played Super Mario Galaxy 2 for the holidays, especially thanksgiving so I FELT this Krysta!!! hahaha Thank you for the forever spoiler alert for the game hahaha. Kit: "..they continued to clap back..." Me: *Shocked Pikachu face* Its great to see they are going to patch the games. I haven't seen it but I heard the bugs were terrible! The price increase doesn't bother me too much though. I tend to wait to buy games anyway soooooo I guess I don't count haha. I love that Nintendo respected the reviews of the consumers. I know Scarlet Violet made a 6 by IGN but due to bugs so I wonder if the patch would change that. I dont think backwards compatibility will happen with the next console generation if it is a whole new system and not an updated system. LOL I have bought Final Fantasy XII several time for different consoles just because why not. I love that game hahaha so what I have beat it many times.
As a super duper pokemon fan (playing as I listen) I think it's important to point out the performance issues because while we love pokemon, rushing out games with this performance is going to do 2 things. 1) It's gonna make new comers instantly drop the game. They don't know why the games are fun and probably wouldn't wait it out. 2) it's gonna make current players drop the game quicker. Personally, I like shiny hunting, and while yes, I'm still playing the game, it is getting harder and harder to play through the crunchyness. If they had a framerate patch, it would make this game infinitely better. (All my opinions of course, don't mean to offend anyone)
Nah the only people who care are die hard gamers All the casuals and people playing for the first time all the ones I’ve seen have enjoyed it and not understood the hate
They can’t delay the game The franchise was designed so that every aspect of it has a symbiotic relationship The games can’t release without the anime the merch and the manga and the manga the merch and the anime can’t release without the games And it’s about time you all understand that by now They are doing their best trying to balance the games with the tcg and the anime The Pokémon franchise is like a game of jenga If you move one thing it all falls apart They are doing the best they can sorry I’m the only one who appreciates that Unless you want them to hypothetically release the Gen 10 anime and then wait till the anime gets to Gen 15 to release the Gen 10 games
You have to remember gamefreak are inexperienced with developing open world games so of course there will be some trial and error the more they work on and improve the game and do future games the better at it they’ll get Rome wasn’t built in a day we need to be patient Assuming we get more open world games NOT TO MENTION ScarVi’s development was probably screwed up by the pandemic Probably turned it upside down
I know that the game isn’t perfect and that there’s issues Pokémon is a franchise where the theme is friendship is magic and meeting cute and cool unique monsters What the hell does graphics and performance have to do with those things? Nothing if you wanna criticize a franchise criticize it on whether or not it delivered on the messages and themes it promised Was friendship magic? Did you meet cute and cool unique creatures? Ok then it’s a good game Those are what’s important to Pokémon Performance graphics those things never Mattered
I think if Nintendo wants to get involved with the smash community, they'd have to not try to control it. The Smash community as a whole (especially the melee scene) really doesn't like being controlled and have shown multiple times that they will read between the lines and know when Nintendo is trying to control them (and would probably accuse Nintendo are controlling them even if they aren't trying to). Though if Nintendo were to get more control over the community they would do best to be more open about how they are helping the community as opposed to only working behind the scenes, as the community is always sceptical about how Nintendo is getting involved with things, as well as maybe appeasing them and contributing to prize pools
What’s so hard about meeting Nintendo’s requirements for obtaining a license? SWT looks like a child throwing a tantrum in the candy aisle, hoping the parent will cave to avoid embarrassment.
I wonder if Nintendo's hard stance on IP and brand protection stems from the social and legal troubles they had back in the late 80's/early 90's, and they're SUPER sensitive to any potential bad press with the public at large. The John Q public probably couldn't care less about Nintendo shutting down a video game tournament, but you can be sure that if they see/hear a headline that reads "child molester ring tied to Nintendo-partnered video game tournament", there'll be a giant mess in terms of bad press. Didn't they take down the 3DS version of swapnote (flipnote? I forget the name) because of some case of child abuse that happened in Japan?
The reason the Smash Community is so hostile towards Nintendo's involvement is simply due to Nintendo's actions. Nintendo tried to cancel EVO 2013 after the Smash community raised 94K for breast cancer research to get the last game slot. Then there's stuff like what happened with The Big House and now Smash World Tour. Nintendo is the one who has burned bridges, and at this point people just want them to leave the community alone. Their involvement is never positive. They are a hostile force and have shown that they are incapable of acting in good faith.
Smash Bros. is a high profile IP which Nintendo oftenly hosts tournaments to promote the game and console in various ways. They are not going to let their big money-making IP be used by anyone like that. Why do you think they are wrong by being strict with how people use their IP? Even better, why do people think of the fan first and forget the developer and company that make and own the game respectively? You should think about all of the parties involved, not just one of them. If Nintendo does not think that their creation is being used accordingly, they have the right to interfere.
@@Oliveiraverde Legal right =/= moral right. The reason the Smash community exists is because it persisted despite hostilities from Nintendo. The only reason Nintendo has held any tournaments for it is because they seek to capitalize on what the community has made. Why do you think they invite top comp players and prominent community members as commentators for things like the Smash Wii U invitational? Go educate yourself on the situation before you lick the boot. Also, what money is Nintendo making from Melee? Melee is a 21 year-old game that they haven't sold in over a decade.
@@Archrid Isn’t trying to stay away from them kind of the problem All of this is happening is because you guys keep trying to resist Nintendo’s control If you just give in and do what Nintendo says everything would probably end up better honestly
@@madnessarcade7447 Giving into Nintendo would mean not running any tournaments whatsoever. They don't want Melee tournaments, they're not selling the game anymore, so there's no financial incentive for that. Remember, they tried to cancel EVO 2013 after the charity drive and everything. If we rolled over to Nintendo, it'd kill the scene. That's not better. Trust me, we have a long record of this. The more Nintendo is involved, the worse it is for the scene.
Personally couldn't care less about Nintendo having a working relationship with the FGC. Not surprised with the number of...character..issues that plagued the big Smash names tbh 1:00:00
Isn’t trying to stay away from them kind of the problem All of this is happening is because you guys keep trying to resist Nintendo’s control If you just give in and do what Nintendo says everything would probably end up better honestly
I think this whole Mario movie thing should get something moving on a new 3D Mario game - Mario Odyssey style. It's been 5 years since the excellent original.
Most big titles like these have a game or remaster that goes along with the release. For example, they remastered the original Last of Us knowing the HBO show would be premiering around the same year. They just announced a PC version today, which would coincide with that release. I have no idea why Nintendo wouldn't chop up a New Super Mario Bros title for the Switch, but it just seems they're just hoping it drives more visits to the eventual theme park in Universal
I'm sorry Krista, but I have to call you out on Nintendo's backwards compatability. Super Nintendo: Gameboy. GameCube: Gameboy. Wii: GameCube. Wii U: Wii. After I did my system transfer from Wii to Wii U, I had to pay $1 each to transfer my eshop purchases from Wii to Wii U, totally worth it. Well worth purchasing new Nintendo systems at launch, because most times they are backwards compatible. It's usually sooner than later In the generation that they stop doing that
I'm a melee player so I'm biased on this, but the comment about the immaturity that you experienced while trying to work with the community took me by surprise. I've always felt like TOs especially in the melee scene have been some of the most cordial, professional people I've ever met. Not just the people associated with BTS and VGBC, but even down to the local level it really feels like TOs care about maintaining good relationships with attendees and venue hosts, so when you mention something like "Nintendo found the best people in the community (Panda) and it ended up being a mess", it sounds like the relations team at Nintendo didn't take a good enough look at the scene because to my knowledge, Panda has never been on the list of good tournament organizers as long as they've existed. In fact, Dr Alan was notorious for having been the head organizer of MVG Sandstorm, an infamously poorly run event in 2015. That being said... there are a lot of names, especially of players who ranked highly in Smash 4, that I can imagine were not the biggest pleasure to deal with professionally.
@@YightLagami Sandstorm was before the official formation of PG so the event wasn't affiliated. My point was that the smash community had a long list of known, reputable tournament organizers and panda/alan was not on it
The immaturity comment is a reference to an acculimation of the Project M + UCF Drama pre- EVO, and the EVO falling out because of MrWizard being outed. Remember, Nintendo was banking on EVO and even aired EVO Smash finals on ESPN2 and Disney. If you REALLY need it spelled out for you; Nairo, ZeRo were both "faces of Smash 4" who were HEAVILYYYY promoted on the Nintendo channels and you already know how both of those people ended up. I didn't even mention more names because now you get the broader picture of why the "Smash scene" from an outsiders perspective can be seen as "immature". If you want the Melee sides of things, there were also moments in the scene going against having a "board" of people moderating the scene, and deciding who to ban from tournaments. That was met with controversy.... and yet people want Nintendo to make Smash esports but are against a governing body to protect people at these tournaments... I've been a part of the scene for a very long time, and knew this relationship would never work unless a third party company handled things. The TOs people have referred to as reputable organizers have also said and done against Nintendo's wishes. The only VALID TO at this point capable of working with Nintendo is Beyond the Summit, but their demographic and advertisers do not align with Nintendo branding. If CEO and Jebailey expanded outside of Florida, then he would trump BTS.
It's a fair point and certainly there are great people in the community we've met over the years. Unfortunately the negative actions of a few bad actors reflect poorly on the community overall and can impact Nintendo's decision making.
It's so sad, the doctor is supposed to be there for the people but he had his own agenda. Feels bad, i really thought panda had the best of the community in mind until people left and right started speaking up about alan's behaviour.
On the 2022 Fall Game Guide episode of the Nintendo Power Podcast, Bill Trinen and Dr. Alan Bunney from Panda Global discussed updates on the Panda Cup Super Smash Bros. Ultimate and Super Smash Bros. Melee tournament circuit. I have to say that Dr. Alan rubbed me the wrong way, every time he talked. He clearly kept saying Smash Bros., right after Bill and Chris would say Smash Brothers. He did not seem to respect the IP. Also, will you be on the End of the Year NP podcast?
@@kitandkrysta I've got something to say, I don't think we should support the smash community. They may look like an innocent community but they've done a lot of terrible stuff behind the scenes. They are also the same ones that send Sakurai death threats over a DLC fighter and use Iwata's death as a weapon against casual gamers and Nintendo in a disgusting and disturbing way
kind of apathetic to refer to the smash community as children. They've sustained an environment and created growth for years with independent leaders and in recent years have taken incredibly strong steps to increase safety and deal with bad actors in the community. Referring to them as lacking "adults" is just demeaning and reinforces the capitalist structure Nintendo limits itself committing to. It's probably consistently been one of the most damaging things to Nintendo's brand.
i understand this is in support of the community, but i think the transition kind flowed in weird and seemed like an attack, so i may just be capping right now
All good and we were not looking to generalize - the high profile cases of immaturity are an issue the community should look to weed out where they can.
Nintendo's presence emboldened Alan's behavior. This has been a pattern of behavior since the beginning of this year. Nintendo's the Ring, Alan is Gollum.
What would you do if you were in charge of Nintendo's relationship with the competitive Smash community?
Let licensed and unlicensed tournaments run unabated. This clinging to their IP to such lengths is tiresome. They should be happy so many people like the game. If they want to run their own licensed tourneys that's cool, shutting down or trying to control unlicensed ones isn't. If the unlicensed tourneys do better than theirs, that just means they need to do better or get with the program and properly and fairly license the hard working members of the community.
I think the first step would be to realize how bad the PR has been up until this point, and how that will influence any conversations you have with the community. The main reasons things like this last scandal happen is because Nintendo's reps and the actual players and organizers are not on the same page. People are wary of interacting with Nintendo, because even outside of Smash they have been unwilling to set up a way forward for broadcasters/organizers to build on their IP.
It's unreasonable to expect Nintendo to open up the can of worms that is IP law and give blanket approval to all mods. No one expects that. However, if Nintendo was willing to sit down and provide a path to get approval for quality of life mods, their PR would improve immediately. For Melee, mods like the Universal Controller Fix or Slippi streaming make the experience better for both players and viewers in a way that doesn't encroach on Nintendo's IP. Historical precedent makes TOs and players wary of working with Nintendo because Nintendo's blanket dissaproval of all mods only makes the experience worse for everyone involved.
Setting up an approval process for these kinds of mods for licensed tournaments is probably pretty difficult, but even just working with TOs on a case by case basis to approve just the 2 I mentioned (UCF and Slippi streaming) would go MILES in improving Nintendo's PR and make it easier for them to work with the community in the future, and is definitely worth navigating the legal challenges.
The biggest problem is that Nintendo doesn't really have an actual relationship with the Smash community. To Smashers, they are a faceless, voiceless entity that really only shows up to shut down tournaments every now and then. Kinda like the asshole uncle that shows up to family Christmas every once in a while and always manages to mess up the vibe.
For this to change, Nintendo needs to handle esports in a manner similar to their contemporaries (i.e. Bamco, Capcom, Riot). They need to have a public facing competitive games department, with the licensing details being public and easy enough for anyone who wants to run official tournaments to follow. There needs to be transparency and communication for every event organizer at every level. It shouldn't be such a strange, nebulous process to get an official license, and there shouldn't be one org positioning as The Guys™️ that will get your tournament a license.
The reason things went south is because Panda's CEO wanted to be The Guy and it started to get ugly when people were put off by one org having that kind of power.
@@Soundwves 100% agree. Transparency on the license approval process, and really just a forum where players can openly voice their suggestions for improvements and concerns would honestly just solve the PR problem. The only reason people scream into the void is because there is no real way of communicating our frustrations with Nintendo without being the CEO of Panda. Panda took Nintendo's trust and instead of working with Nintendo to make the process of getting a license more open, they purposefully obscured the nature of their relationship for their own gain.
Even if Panda had turned out to have everyone's best interest at heart, limiting communications to just one org with a limited perspective on the rest of the scene was doomed to failure.
Just let the community run unlicensed events its that simple. They'd have an argument to shut SWT down if there were modded versions of the game, but SWT played by all the rules and gave them plenty of time. This all happened because Nintendo lagged on making a decision for months to reply to their request for a license just to get in the way at the last minute.
For all the talk about how unprofessional the smash community is, Nintendo comes across just as bad here. They had months to communicate their stance on unlicensed events. This could have saved SWT so much money if they could cancel before they booked the venue and accommodations for the event. Now the organizers are out hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of hours of wasted time.
If Nintendo ACTUALLY cares about repairing their relationship with the community, they have to realize that they should only interact with the community when its ABSOLUTELY necessary like mods of their IP. The community is rightfully distrustful of Nintendo so you'd have to prove that you care about fixing the relationship over time with your actions.
Hey y'all, I'm one of the players invited to the Smash WiiU Nintendo event you mentioned. You may have been the one I spoke to on the phone!-- just wanted to say thank you for all of the insight. We are all listening ❤️
preach 🙌
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As someone who was in the community and an ex-contractor for Panda, I agree with everything you said.
Maybe it's somewhat of a reach too, but Pokémon B/W/B2/W2 gave me those Christmas vibes with the seasons rotation because when you played the game in December it was winter and it was all snowy. Even though I lived in a tropical country with no seasons, it was a very nice touch.
And of course, the obvious choice being Animal Crossing
You know it’s bad when you have Ex- NoA employees saying Nintendo needs to stop chokeholding the smash community
I mean they said a whole lot of other things too. It's bizarre to me how strong the selective hearing is from the Smash community. The situation only happened because as they said, some kids couldn't handle their moms telling them "no, don't do that." The Smash scene has the potential to get really big, and the lack of maturity from at least the tournament heads (that includes everybody including Alan and the SWT members etc, before you speak in defense of SWT, they caused the loss of a lot of jobs and probably caused a lot more than $100,000 in damages by airing this in public, not to mention the countless harassment) essentially cause the Smash community to be this niche thing that gets banned from a bunch of venues for property damages.
Smash community also wants to be childish but also just have all the rights, too. If that were the case, then they should've developed that game themselves. The community's combined wallets probably can't fund the development of something like Smash. If you understand that, then you can easily understand why Nintendo is being so anal about it. Maybe it's time to grow up, or don't grow up and accept that you won't get to do everything you want to do for free.
@@monkeylemur Pretty much this, the Smash TO's talked about how Panda threatened them when they outright threw Panda under the bus and destroyed the entire community over business negotiations and spreading rumors/forming bias opinions through personal DMs. The Ken guy sounded completely apathetic/sociopathic in how he handled Alan's statement and openly bad mouthed him publicly before SWT's statement.
I don't trust most of the Smash TO's and wouldn't want to deal with them seeing how cut throat their publicity tactics are.
@@monkeylemur You need to realise that it's not just Nintendo telling us "no," but more specifically them doing nothing, and then saying "no" the last minute after everything was paid for. This isn't the first, or most egregious time. If you look back to EVO 2013, Nintendo waited until a day or two before the tourney, after smashers raised a ton of money for cancer research (I think), and then tried to shut it down. Fortunately, there was enough backlash that Nintendo backed off on that one, but, despite that being almost 10 years ago, that's kind of the precedent that we have when it comes to Nintendo dealing with Smash.
Is Bad when you have kids running tournaments
@@alexisxg If you think it's actually kids running the tourneys, you've probably not been to one. Maybe my local scene is different (I doubt it), but none of the tournaments I've attended have been run by kids.
N64 games were really good at building worlds that always get me in the Christmas spirit! Cool Cool Mountain in Super Mario 64, Freezeezy Peak in Banjo-Kazooie, Shiver Star in Kirby 64, and Snowflake Mountain in Diddy Kong Racing to name a few
So true ☺️
Really appreciate the insight shared from your perspectives on the Smash, the candidness and lucidity is so refreshing
Been in the Smash scene since 2006, turned it into a career for casting to show my passion to the game and the community with Smash Wii U and Ultimate. Really appreciate this insight to people outside the community that might not know the full story. All of this sounds extremely accurate, I'm glad you guys were involved with a ton of the background stuff the past 10 years, you guys really care.
It was very interesting to hear your thoughts on the whole Smash thing. I just watch tournaments a lot and I’ve never played competitive before, but seeing all this happen is just sad on a ton of fronts.
I particularly agree that there needs to be a lot of growing up. Loved that take.
Keep podcasting, great episode!
Nintendo (and in this case, NoA) really needs to set up a team to manage eSports. Have someone to decide if and when to license their competitions, set their own or just be available to be asked by organisers if they need to do things about it.
Or they can just leave us alone and we'll both be better off.
@@MyselfTheThird People keep saying this but also keep begging for Nintendo to "make it esports". Without a governing body, or third party company managing it, it will never happen at this point.
@@NvaderGir Nobody with actual experience in Smash wants Smash to be esports. We are FGC in our roots and our heritage. We get our own sponsors, advertise our own tourneys, book our own venues and run our own streams.
Esports has nothing on Smash, and anyone looking to "make it esports" means to do so only for control (Nintendo) or profit (Panda).
@@NvaderGir i don't know a single person in the melee community who has ever said this
The problem is that Nintendo never cared about making their own tournaments, in fact, they even sent multiple Cease and desist to fan tournaments.
For that reason, the Smash Community has managed its own tournaments, leaderboards, books, sponsorships, etc.
For me, the right call was to have their own 'official' tournament but let the people run their own tournaments as well. Like GF did with the Pokémon VGC scene, I remember that before it the only 'entity' that controlled the Competitive Scene was Smogon.
Now, this is the worst timeline possible, we don't have either the Fan SWT or the 'official' Pandacup. The sponsors and teams will be scared to invest in the Smash Community, The players felt betrayed by Nintendo one more time, and Nintendo will not invest in the Competitive Scene because of this experience.
No one is winning
Glad Kit is feeling better!
I don't know why Nintendo is so hostile towards the Smash community. I understand being hesitant on giving a license, but like sending a letter on Thanksgiving weekend, 2 or 3 weeks before the end of the circuit, telling them they cannot run the tournament and refusing to give a license, and then going into PR mode saying, "Well we didn't tell them to cancel the tournament. We just implied that if they didn't, we'll shut it down, so we didn't do anything wrong." It's just disingenuous and extremely vile towards competitive players who spent time and money competing for an entire year with Nintendo stringing them along saying they won't shut this circuit down only to shut it down in the end. Nintendo needs to be better about this whole situation, full stop. It's like they have zero sympathy for international players who already paid for this event and is actually in the U.S. currently for the event.
This one single decision has made an entire community fear for their own career of being a competitive player, or being a commentator for Smash, or even organizing tournaments. A community that has been battered for over a decade because they wanted to play a game in a way that Nintendo disapproved of. And if that isn't the case, Nintendo sure as hell is doing a horrendous job communicating that. It just feels like they're strong arming the community to self implode and hoping they go away from everyone losing faith in hosting tournaments while pretending like they care.
It's truly saddening
They never said this. Nintendo never sent a shutdown notice and outright said they were not going to. To me, it sounds like SWT misheard Nintendo's statement which seems like the only thing they did say to SWT was that they could not grant them a license for SWT in 2022 and 2023.
Again, Nintendo made it clear in their statement and alot of this just sounds like SWT misheard their statement and then proceeded to throw Panda Global under the bus for no reason other than TO's beef and rumors/bad mouthing behind the scenes.
@@YightLagami You would be right if historically Nintendo didn't consitently contact tournaments with exactly such messages as a warning, followed up with a real Cease & Desist, when not taken serious. In this case they explicitly said the days of holding tournaments without a license are over & also that there were health concerns (which clearly is a bad scapegoat to get out of this PR mess). They have sued for less.
So given the historical evidence / fact that Nintendo will most likely follow up on their warning with a cease & desist, if not taken seriously, it'd be SEVERELY irresponsible to hold a tournament this big nonetheless.
Nintendo said they'll only allow events that have a license, SWT asked if they could get one, Nintendo said no, SWT asked if they could still proceed without a license as previously agreed, Nintendo said "those days are over".
That's why the context and history of the Smash competitive scene & Nintendo plays such a big role here.
@@YightLagami That explains why they called Nintendo right after, only for Nintendo to tell them they cannot run a tournament without a license, and they will not give them a license. Very clearly misheard Nintendo there.
@@ShallBePurified Yes, because the only thing SWT heard was, "Those times are over now." Which could be referring to those times to get a license in 2022/2023 are over now.
The fact that Nintendo reiterated that fact again and the fact that SWT even stated that Nintendo said this before multiple times during the year that they didn't need a license to run the event and reaffirmed it again in their official statement.
There is no benefit to taking down this tournament with no actual monetary gains or even any particular risk associated with it as far as we can tell. Nintendo has no reason to be hostile when they wanted to build better relations with the community and openly state that they're still willing to license events.
Did Nintendo ever have control of competitive Smash Bros?
No. At this point the majority of the competitive smash community wants to stay as far away from Nintendo as possible. That's prob the most common stance
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Honestly, one can't blame them for it. 🤷♀️
@@tormint5294 Nintendo are are type A ocd they care more about control then money
@@tormint5294 Isn’t trying to stay away from them kind of the problem
All of this is happening is because you guys keep trying to resist Nintendo’s control
If you just give in and do what Nintendo says everything would probably end up better honestly
I think the reason we're seeing so much promotion for the Mario movie is because
1) they have to undo the damage the previous attempt at a Mario movie did
2) They are aware of the negative reception to some people's voices/casting that they think the more you see/hear may get people used to it by the time the movie comes out
3) They have invested a lot of time and money in this, and want to make sure it's a huge hit so they are not going to be lazy with the material, but quite the opposite
I feel like Nintendo's Mario movie response is just to bring themselves into that market similar to Disney expanding their market. All of this sounds like common sense to me. They want the movie to be profitable and are obviously making sure the quality of the movie is incredibly high and advertise it as much as possible and then in turn sell more games.
I think at this point, it's nearly universally understood that Nintendo being involved in Smash (particularly Melee) is a net-negative and the competitive community should stay very far away from them.
Isn’t trying to stay away from them kind of the problem
All of this is happening is because you guys keep trying to resist Nintendo’s control
If you just give in and do what Nintendo says everything would probably end up better honestly
@@madnessarcade7447 history says otherwise. Any time Nintendo gets involved things always get worse in the competitive scenes. Just look at Splatoon, Smash, etc.
Your guy's perspective on this is so interesting from a normative smash players place of reference. Really fun to hear!
14:59 Without even looking downwards Kit was able to swipe his tablet screen and keep it from turning off. THAT is a pro move!
Funny thing to point out about vampire survivors is that it was developed by a guy who used to work on slot machines and other gambling machines, so it makes perfect sense why he'd know what makes scratch that itch on people to keep playing. Fortunately it's not that hard nor it takes too long to 100%, managed to complete it within a week with an hour or two, three tops, each day
Whenever my wife and I need to yell at each other, we play Overcooked.👨🍳
26:58 Animal crossing, Bayonetta 2, Kirby the forgotten land, Christmas NiGHTS.
I haven’t watched much of your guys podcast. Now after listening I want to listen to more.
It’s definitely sad about the whole Smash Bros situation. Hope things get better in the future.
sideloading usually just refers to installing software from a local file rather than using the officially supported storefront (e.g. google play store, apple app store, etc.)
5:49 interesting prediction
LMAO you guys predicted an impostor on the stage at the game awards, getting arrested and all.
One thing I will say on the topic of publishers proof reading reviews for accuracy, I have seen reviews of games that spent a large amount of time complaining about a problem that is nonexistent simply because they overlooked an option that could be changed in the settings
I’m actually playing through Kirby’s Epic Yarn for the first time right now and loving it! I haven’t gotten to Snow Land yet, but every level feels so creative and distinct. It really is a joy. And I hope you two enjoyed The Game Awards last night!
55:46 I am currently listening to how Krysta is addicted to Marvel Snap while I am playing Marvel Snap. I can very much so relate.
That Sega question was hilarious 😂
Donkey Kong is about to be half of Nintendo's theme park space, there were rumors of a DK movie in the works, and a new Donkey Kong game is extremely long overdue. The gorilla used to be one of their flagship IPs before they lost Rare, I think there's about to be a big push for DK in the next year or so, which is why he and the Kongs so prominent in the Mario Movie.
Snowball Park from 3D World and Crisp Climb Castle from Bowser's Fury are fantastic festive stages to play around the holidays. Love the level music.
There was one in Wooly World too, but I can't remember the name. That game is all around cozy. Spirit Tracks is a "Holiday" game to me just b/c how it came out so close too the holidays
There was only one game that elicits the Christmas vibe in memory because it's literally based on a Christmas movie game... Home Alone 2 for the SNES
Great episode, Kit & Krysta and thank you for mentioning the fitness channel at the 1:47:27 mark! It’s great seeing your community full of good people respond well to the exercise videos. More are on the way! 💪🥋
I’m stoked for the Game Awards and maybe I’ll see you while you’re down in LA. 😁 Valuable Super Smash Bros. feedback, too, and Kit…I’m glad you’re feeling better!
Pretty interesting perspective on the Smash drama. I definitely have my gripes with Nintendo and how they treat Smash but it was cool hearing you two break it down.
What QA process? No offense, but the patreon question taking issue with people pointing out the technical issues doesn't matter to most of the people who play and enjoy Pokemon. They are having fun, and that's all that matters to them.
Kit: "Re-release Kirby's Epic Yarn, Nintendo!"
Kirby's Extra Epic Yarn on the 3DS: "Am I a joke to you?"
To be fair, no one was talking about that game even when it released so.
Christmas decorated podcast. Awesome. Also, I agree with Krysta...that tree isnt hot pink lol
I love how you guys are just casually plotting to kidnap Geoff & take his place as host for GOTY 2022 lol
Kit: The grocery store is jammed with people who don't know what they are doing
Me: Ahh so you've been to Wal-Mart 😂
Sheesh, that whole mess with the Smash community sounds really frustrating
Regarding the Mario movie, when Kit said something like "Do this one, make sure it's a hot, then move on to another IP" it got me thinking....what if they do an MCU kinda think with a couple movies about various Nintendo characters then bring them all together in a Super Smash Bros movie? Like a Avengers but everybody's fighting each other 😂
Dang, I'd really like to hear more of that Miiverse story that Krysta started...
Well, that was another great podcast. Now to wait for the GOTY Awards 2022!
Another great episode. The Smash Community vs Nintendo is a must see for sure. Times do grow apart and consistency is something we need to see more of, especially with Nintendo. Glad to hear both Kit and Krysta's respective on Nintendo and Smash Bros. Holiday spirit inbound! I never knew a pink Christmas tree is a thing until I heard about this episode along with Nintendo Minute segments, good times. Kit glad ypur feeling better 99.99%. Hope the 2022 Game Awards was a blast minus the ending lol.
Anyone else remember We Ski on the Wii? That game is peak Christmas vibes. It was also developed by Bandai Namco so I wonder if Kit has any involvement with it, or at least remembers it in any capacity.
Kit here - I did work on that game and like it lot!!
Glad you are feeling better Kit! See you guys virtually at GTY!🎉😊
I uh, seem to be confused. Is telegram a message app? If so I haven’t heard of it…😅😂
For the Smash Community part, I think the health and safety talk is not a bad reason. There was a statement that the Smash World Tour people made that had some very bad topics and this happened before the got the last call. Nintendo maybe doesn’t appreciate hearing all the stuff that happened there. Like there was a whole movement that caused the response from the head of VGBC
I agree with that. Like it not long ago with 2020 with the whole pedo situation happen. Like smash community for some reason unban nario for even those he has relations with underage kid. Like if the smash community wants Nintendo to leave them alone then they have to be accountable for their own action.
Im glad to hear Kit also stand with the fac that "the player base is part of the major problem." And it really is. As a former TO so many of the participants are good apples, but SO MANY are still bad apples and they truly ruin it for everyone around them. Until players can and are able to report and hold other players accountable for their garbage behavior. Nothing will change. TO's need to do more, attendees need to do more, and aside from Nintendo being ridiculous, you can't blame them for not wanting to put their hands or name on the events. But I'll tell you what, my time TO-ing for 2-3 years was a bloody nightmare. From Melee players acting like literal unhinged children temper tantruming because you asked them to throw their trash in a trash can, to death threats in my personal life, or being harassed in my personal spaces, to people stealing money, and terrible attitude and language. So much of the smash community that is 25-30+ still act like little wanna be edgy 12 year olds. Its ridiculous.
What region were you a TO in? My experiences as a TO have been the exact opposite, I guess I just live in a very friendly region.
@@happyk7512 upper midwest
You didn't steal the Christmas tree, you borrowed it
It really cannot be understated how much the Melee and Smash community hates nintendo, theres a lot of bad blood there
19:08 I’m assuming it’s because not all places share that holiday.
The smash community really needs to become more centralized. Take a moment to communicate to the major players and organizers and come up with a central governing body; but also they need to realize who they’re dealing with and that they need play by Nintendo’s rule. It doesn’t help that the community itself puts out a messy toxic image that is not any helpful or desirable.
Highly recommend Cthulu Saves Christmas for those looking for a holiday game! A great, funny turn-based RPG that you can beat in a day! And it'll definitely get you in the Christmas spirit!
Appreciate that Kit & Krysta are openly confirming what we in the community already know - which is that Nintendo's goal with the Panda partnership was to impose their control on the scene.
What I don't appreciate is the paternalism. Maybe it's because I only participate in the Melee scene, which is older; but the way they describe the Smash community is unrecognizable to me.
I regularly attend events organized by Beyond the Summit, VGBC, and even more deeply-grassroots orgs that put on locals all around the US. They have been, without exception, highly professionally-run events, run on decades of community organizing experience.
I don't know how Kit & Krysta could listen to someone like Blur, Bobby Scar, or Ludwig talk us through this bump in the road and arrive at the conclusion that our community needs some growing-up. These are seasoned, mature individuals with a very clear vision for our scene, and I feel safe and confident in their leadership.
Christmas Nights is on the HD remaster on PS3 and Xbox 360. I think you can also play it on Xbox one and series.
Thank you!
Really appreciate your input on the Smash stuff every time Nintendo does something.
Gotta miss those Holiday Shopping spree episodes! Anyways, great vid as always! Have fun at thr awards!✨
Still time for us to do a shopping video before the holidays are over...!
@@kitandkrysta I'd love that ✨ We all would~
25:40 You missed out. It’s great! You can play on PS3, Xbox, PS2. I own the original.
Vampire Survivors sounds like a 3DS indie game from back in the day, Witch and Hero.
They mentioned that the people in Japan want something wrt smash, but didn't spell it out explicitly, only saying it was a difficult conversation to have. Does anyone know what they are referring to here? 1:12:37
The Japan team is even more adamant about preserving their image as family friendly and non-competitive.
Thanks for the great insight!
I really liked the Nintendo Versus initiative, too bad there were too many other bad things going left and right, but I really enjoyed it.
The Game Awards arrest joke is funnier now
1:40:06 I disagree with Krysta here. Nintendo actually does have a pretty good track record for backwards compatibility. GameCube games were playable on the Wii. Game Boy and Game Boy color games were playable on the GBA. GBA games were playable on the DS. DS games were playable on the 3DS. Wii games were playable on the Wii U. Usually, the next gen Nintendo console supports backwards compatibility for the previous console. The Switch is an oddity in that regard, but they wouldn’t have benefited much from Wii U backwards compatibility since the Wii U sales were so poor. Plus, the extra effort of adding a disk drive just for that backwards compatibility wouldn’t be worth it since Switch games are cartridges. If the next gen Nintendo console after the Switch also uses cartridges, I could definitely see it being backwards compatible with the Switch, and now that they’re more settled with NSO and user accounts, transferring your already purchased digital copies of games to the new system should be easier for them to keep track of.
Surprised no mention of ACNH. I really loved the first holiday experience in 2020 as a real way to enjoy Christmas. I did check it out in 2021 as I was already on the downslide of playing the game, but definitely contemplating booting it up for like the first time in like 6 months just to experience the fun holiday stuff.
Bayonetta 2's opening is Christmas themed.
"They like need an adult or something!" What gross contempt
With Vampire Survivors, this is second-hand, so don't take my word for it. The dev used to work for big company making mobile slot machine games, so they very much understand how to make things addicting, and I'm surprised they haven't put any microtransactions in. Also, Kit, idk if you're there yet... but some leveled up weapons can be combined. Try Garlic with Pummarola (the red heart) ;p
You don’t need to wait for a patch. People online are being too rough on the game. The game is great and you can play it how it is.
You actually being positive about something I see you on every video always shitting on stuff
Will you guys still be on the Nintendo Power Podcast year end round up episode? It was always enjoyable to hear you all together. Thanks for all the great content!
No, but we will have our own Game of the Year special soon!
so question, I don't know if this was talked about in a previous episode cause I am a new viewer, is there any reason why nintendo doesnt traditionally go for more powerful hardware? I ask because I wonder if they understand with better hardware they could make even more ambitious games than they already do, like a pikmin game with over 500 pikmin on screen with no frame drops.
Nintendo had explained this in the past
They used to
But there’s not much you could do with that besides incremental improvements
Nintendo got bored of power they wanted to be different
It’s played out and it’s boring
They shifted their focus to focusing on trying to provide a whimsical and really creative and unique experience you can’t get anywhere else
Power is irrelevant to them they care more about the fun
Would you rather play a game to have fun or to just stare at a rock’s texture
If you want good graphics go outside
That’s not the point
Honestly if you guys want good graphics/texture go outside cuz that’s not what Nintendo is about
Nintendo is about whimsy and wonder and sense of adventure and the cast of unique and colorful characters and the friends you make along the way
The Nintendo characters themselves are what make the games so good not graphics
I mean graphics wasn’t what got us into these franchises in the first place was it
It was the charm of the worlds and being able to play with friends and make new friends that has always been the charm of Nintendo from the beginning to now and forever
Nintendo is completely inspired and unlike any other games that exist it’s extremely one of a kind and unique
No one can replicate it and be successful at it despite many attempts
Nintendo games are cozy and that’s why they’re fun
The problem is that Sony and Microsoft lose money with their consoles in the first years because that kind of hardware is really expensive ( You can find that you need at least 1000$+ to build a CPU with similar HW Specs), but as time passes the original HW will be cheaper.
They can do that strategy because they need to have a console with good specs to satisfy their userbase but they also need a good price
They can assume that risk because they are huge companies compared to Nintendo which is more focused on gaming, so they need to sell Nintendo Switch with profit ( Cheap Hardware)
I think the next system, if it is a Switch 2 type thing with the same form factor probably will carry over games, saves and so on. With the transition being so seamless with PS4 to 5, and Xbox as well, I don’t think people would stand for it. And also the fact that retro games are now part of a subscription indicates to me that they know they can’t get away with not rolling over purchases anymore. We also have cloud saves, so it should be straightforward. Except for Animal Crossing of course.
not gonna lie the visual glitch at 37:35 ~ 37:39 really freaked me out! D:
The holiday season spirit is feeling in the air!
The price increase for the Xbox first party games is in line with current trends in general and plus strategic move to make people see more value in getting Game Pass
The thing is whenever Nintendo said they never asked Smash World Tour to cancel their finale, Smash World Tour had written proof that Nintendo told them they would not grant them a license and upon asking if they could run without a License, Nintendo said "those times were over." Like technically they didn't tell them to cancel, but they did not give a license, and they would get shut down if they ran without a license. And if they were fine with the finale, why did Nintendo urgently tell them the literal day before Thanksgiving 2 weeks before the event that they would not license it?
"Those times were over" is the most vague statement that could mean anything. It could also be referring to the license in question meaning that the time to get a license for 2022/2023 is over. If you look at the "proof" SWT posted, the email is just stating that they would not be able to grant SWT a license for 2022/2023 due to them not meeting their expectations. 1st expectation is that they announced the event before actually getting approval by Nintendo and then running the circuit without Nintendo's approval. By that point, the time for SWT to get their license is over for 2022 and 2023.
Besides that, SWT was pestering Nintendo to get a response about their license while Nintendo was already busy with other things like Panda Cup which was already being worked on 3 years ago prior to SWT's announcement.
Nintendo eventually got the time to decide the license issue and gave them their response after they finished their other deals. They likely did it on a deadline/goal of finishing most their december workings prior to thanksgiving.
@@YightLagami from Nintendo's written statement to SWT: "It is Nintendo’s expectation that an approved license be secured in order to operate any commercial activity featuring Nintendo IP." There is no vagueness.
Nintendo told them they wouldn’t shut down the competition in question. Sounds like SWT shut it down because they weren’t given the license for future events after this one. Basically SWT threw a tantrum and cancelled their own event, blamed Nintendo, and are hoping that the anger they created will be directed at and pressure Nintendo into giving them their license for future events. So SWT is the one that threw away all the work and money that went into this tourney in hopes of securing future events. Why not just meet the requirements Nintendo laid out for obtaining a license? What’s so hard about that?
Another fun episode ✨
I cant believe yall did a nuzzlock i love it
Interesting thoughts about how early the Mario movie stuff is coming out relative to release date. As much as I would hate this, maybe the demographic who tunes in to Nintendo Directs isn't considered big enough to "play their cards" too early for a general audience?
Eh, from what I can tell the Smash Bros tournament organizers are amateur, but very willing to put in the work and do whatever they need to. If they saw a hoop to jump through, I strongly believe they would do it. On the other hand, if they invest their very limited money into a tournament and Nintendo cancels it without a way to fix things and un-cancel, they will be furious. If nintendo required a 10% cut of profits, but gave the tournament a license and something to award for first prize, I feel like that would be considered a win
About the Mario movie trailers, yes that's an Illumination thing. They are notorious for marketing their movies to death because they make so much money off of such mid products that the have to shove it in your face until you finally cave in to watch it. If anything the Mario movie has been marketed less than their other movies it feels like, and I guess it's because they don't want to spoil too much and the product sells itself, it looks really good and I was sold on the first trailer alone. So maybe it's their confidence that the Mario name will sell and especially people seeing the quality of the artstyle and animation, they know word of mouth and social media will carry here
Panda-monium in the Smash community?
Happy early Merry Christmas
Love your sweaters. 👍
LOL these Christmas stories were funny! I played Super Mario Galaxy 2 for the holidays, especially thanksgiving so I FELT this Krysta!!! hahaha
Thank you for the forever spoiler alert for the game hahaha.
Kit: "..they continued to clap back..."
Me: *Shocked Pikachu face*
Its great to see they are going to patch the games. I haven't seen it but I heard the bugs were terrible! The price increase doesn't bother me too much though. I tend to wait to buy games anyway soooooo I guess I don't count haha. I love that Nintendo respected the reviews of the consumers. I know Scarlet Violet made a 6 by IGN but due to bugs so I wonder if the patch would change that. I dont think backwards compatibility will happen with the next console generation if it is a whole new system and not an updated system. LOL I have bought Final Fantasy XII several time for different consoles just because why not. I love that game hahaha so what I have beat it many times.
Dragalia Lost shouldn't have been shut down. I hope those characters return.
As a super duper pokemon fan (playing as I listen) I think it's important to point out the performance issues because while we love pokemon, rushing out games with this performance is going to do 2 things. 1) It's gonna make new comers instantly drop the game. They don't know why the games are fun and probably wouldn't wait it out. 2) it's gonna make current players drop the game quicker.
Personally, I like shiny hunting, and while yes, I'm still playing the game, it is getting harder and harder to play through the crunchyness. If they had a framerate patch, it would make this game infinitely better. (All my opinions of course, don't mean to offend anyone)
Nah the only people who care are die hard gamers
All the casuals and people playing for the first time all the ones I’ve seen have enjoyed it and not understood the hate
They can’t delay the game
The franchise was designed so that every aspect of it has a symbiotic relationship
The games can’t release without the anime the merch and the manga and the manga the merch and the anime can’t release without the games
And it’s about time you all understand that by now
They are doing their best trying to balance the games with the tcg and the anime
The Pokémon franchise is like a game of jenga
If you move one thing it all falls apart
They are doing the best they can sorry I’m the only one who appreciates that
Unless you want them to hypothetically release the Gen 10 anime and then wait till the anime gets to Gen 15 to release the Gen 10 games
You have to remember gamefreak are inexperienced with developing open world games so of course there will be some trial and error the more they work on and improve the game and do future games the better at it they’ll get
Rome wasn’t built in a day we need to be patient
Assuming we get more open world games
NOT TO MENTION ScarVi’s development was probably screwed up by the pandemic
Probably turned it upside down
New players haven’t had issues with the game
I have barely seen anyone drop the game and if they did it’s like 0.00000000001%
I know that the game isn’t perfect and that there’s issues
Pokémon is a franchise where the theme is friendship is magic and meeting cute and cool unique monsters
What the hell does graphics and performance have to do with those things?
Nothing if you wanna criticize a franchise criticize it on whether or not it delivered on the messages and themes it promised
Was friendship magic?
Did you meet cute and cool unique creatures?
Ok then it’s a good game
Those are what’s important to Pokémon
Performance graphics those things never Mattered
The camera stare by Krysta 1:05:03 ... ice cold
Might be the wrong timestamp but I finished the episode yesterday so now I don't know when it was!!
Is the camera zoomed in more than usual? I like it.
I think if Nintendo wants to get involved with the smash community, they'd have to not try to control it. The Smash community as a whole (especially the melee scene) really doesn't like being controlled and have shown multiple times that they will read between the lines and know when Nintendo is trying to control them (and would probably accuse Nintendo are controlling them even if they aren't trying to). Though if Nintendo were to get more control over the community they would do best to be more open about how they are helping the community as opposed to only working behind the scenes, as the community is always sceptical about how Nintendo is getting involved with things, as well as maybe appeasing them and contributing to prize pools
What’s so hard about meeting Nintendo’s requirements for obtaining a license? SWT looks like a child throwing a tantrum in the candy aisle, hoping the parent will cave to avoid embarrassment.
I wonder if Nintendo's hard stance on IP and brand protection stems from the social and legal troubles they had back in the late 80's/early 90's, and they're SUPER sensitive to any potential bad press with the public at large. The John Q public probably couldn't care less about Nintendo shutting down a video game tournament, but you can be sure that if they see/hear a headline that reads "child molester ring tied to Nintendo-partnered video game tournament", there'll be a giant mess in terms of bad press.
Didn't they take down the 3DS version of swapnote (flipnote? I forget the name) because of some case of child abuse that happened in Japan?
Probably the mario movie situation is probably the cause
The reason the Smash Community is so hostile towards Nintendo's involvement is simply due to Nintendo's actions. Nintendo tried to cancel EVO 2013 after the Smash community raised 94K for breast cancer research to get the last game slot. Then there's stuff like what happened with The Big House and now Smash World Tour. Nintendo is the one who has burned bridges, and at this point people just want them to leave the community alone. Their involvement is never positive. They are a hostile force and have shown that they are incapable of acting in good faith.
Smash Bros. is a high profile IP which Nintendo oftenly hosts tournaments to promote the game and console in various ways. They are not going to let their big money-making IP be used by anyone like that. Why do you think they are wrong by being strict with how people use their IP? Even better, why do people think of the fan first and forget the developer and company that make and own the game respectively? You should think about all of the parties involved, not just one of them. If Nintendo does not think that their creation is being used accordingly, they have the right to interfere.
@@Oliveiraverde Legal right =/= moral right. The reason the Smash community exists is because it persisted despite hostilities from Nintendo. The only reason Nintendo has held any tournaments for it is because they seek to capitalize on what the community has made. Why do you think they invite top comp players and prominent community members as commentators for things like the Smash Wii U invitational? Go educate yourself on the situation before you lick the boot.
Also, what money is Nintendo making from Melee? Melee is a 21 year-old game that they haven't sold in over a decade.
@@Archrid Isn’t trying to stay away from them kind of the problem
All of this is happening is because you guys keep trying to resist Nintendo’s control
If you just give in and do what Nintendo says everything would probably end up better honestly
@@madnessarcade7447 Giving into Nintendo would mean not running any tournaments whatsoever. They don't want Melee tournaments, they're not selling the game anymore, so there's no financial incentive for that. Remember, they tried to cancel EVO 2013 after the charity drive and everything. If we rolled over to Nintendo, it'd kill the scene. That's not better. Trust me, we have a long record of this. The more Nintendo is involved, the worse it is for the scene.
Best Christmas video game is Parasite Eve. 😁
Personally couldn't care less about Nintendo having a working relationship with the FGC. Not surprised with the number of...character..issues that plagued the big Smash names tbh
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Isn’t trying to stay away from them kind of the problem
All of this is happening is because you guys keep trying to resist Nintendo’s control
If you just give in and do what Nintendo says everything would probably end up better honestly
I think this whole Mario movie thing should get something moving on a new 3D Mario game - Mario Odyssey style. It's been 5 years since the excellent original.
Most big titles like these have a game or remaster that goes along with the release. For example, they remastered the original Last of Us knowing the HBO show would be premiering around the same year. They just announced a PC version today, which would coincide with that release.
I have no idea why Nintendo wouldn't chop up a New Super Mario Bros title for the Switch, but it just seems they're just hoping it drives more visits to the eventual theme park in Universal
I'm sorry Krista, but I have to call you out on Nintendo's backwards compatability. Super Nintendo: Gameboy. GameCube: Gameboy. Wii: GameCube. Wii U: Wii. After I did my system transfer from Wii to Wii U, I had to pay $1 each to transfer my eshop purchases from Wii to Wii U, totally worth it. Well worth purchasing new Nintendo systems at launch, because most times they are backwards compatible. It's usually sooner than later In the generation that they stop doing that
COME ON PEOPLE ONLY 0.6k TILL SONIC WEEK!!!
I'm a melee player so I'm biased on this, but the comment about the immaturity that you experienced while trying to work with the community took me by surprise. I've always felt like TOs especially in the melee scene have been some of the most cordial, professional people I've ever met. Not just the people associated with BTS and VGBC, but even down to the local level it really feels like TOs care about maintaining good relationships with attendees and venue hosts, so when you mention something like "Nintendo found the best people in the community (Panda) and it ended up being a mess", it sounds like the relations team at Nintendo didn't take a good enough look at the scene because to my knowledge, Panda has never been on the list of good tournament organizers as long as they've existed. In fact, Dr Alan was notorious for having been the head organizer of MVG Sandstorm, an infamously poorly run event in 2015. That being said... there are a lot of names, especially of players who ranked highly in Smash 4, that I can imagine were not the biggest pleasure to deal with professionally.
PandaGlobal was barely created in 2015 which was 7 whole years ago so a new company messing up one of their first events is not unheard of anywhere.
@@YightLagami Sandstorm was before the official formation of PG so the event wasn't affiliated. My point was that the smash community had a long list of known, reputable tournament organizers and panda/alan was not on it
The immaturity comment is a reference to an acculimation of the Project M + UCF Drama pre- EVO, and the EVO falling out because of MrWizard being outed. Remember, Nintendo was banking on EVO and even aired EVO Smash finals on ESPN2 and Disney.
If you REALLY need it spelled out for you; Nairo, ZeRo were both "faces of Smash 4" who were HEAVILYYYY promoted on the Nintendo channels and you already know how both of those people ended up. I didn't even mention more names because now you get the broader picture of why the "Smash scene" from an outsiders perspective can be seen as "immature".
If you want the Melee sides of things, there were also moments in the scene going against having a "board" of people moderating the scene, and deciding who to ban from tournaments. That was met with controversy.... and yet people want Nintendo to make Smash esports but are against a governing body to protect people at these tournaments...
I've been a part of the scene for a very long time, and knew this relationship would never work unless a third party company handled things. The TOs people have referred to as reputable organizers have also said and done against Nintendo's wishes. The only VALID TO at this point capable of working with Nintendo is Beyond the Summit, but their demographic and advertisers do not align with Nintendo branding. If CEO and Jebailey expanded outside of Florida, then he would trump BTS.
@@NvaderGir No one in Melee wants Nintendo to make Smash esports. Especially now.
It's a fair point and certainly there are great people in the community we've met over the years. Unfortunately the negative actions of a few bad actors reflect poorly on the community overall and can impact Nintendo's decision making.
It's so sad, the doctor is supposed to be there for the people but he had his own agenda. Feels bad, i really thought panda had the best of the community in mind until people left and right started speaking up about alan's behaviour.
I hate people judging things on first impressions. I heard Cyberpunk is good now. My friend liked it when it was "bad".
On the 2022 Fall Game Guide episode of the Nintendo Power Podcast, Bill Trinen and Dr. Alan Bunney from Panda Global discussed updates on the Panda Cup Super Smash Bros. Ultimate and Super Smash Bros. Melee tournament circuit. I have to say that Dr. Alan rubbed me the wrong way, every time he talked. He clearly kept saying Smash Bros., right after Bill and Chris would say Smash Brothers. He did not seem to respect the IP. Also, will you be on the End of the Year NP podcast?
Thanks for the great comment! Unfortunately we will not be on Nintendo Power Podcast, but we will be doing our own Game of the Year show soon.
@@kitandkrysta I've got something to say, I don't think we should support the smash community. They may look like an innocent community but they've done a lot of terrible stuff behind the scenes. They are also the same ones that send Sakurai death threats over a DLC fighter and use Iwata's death as a weapon against casual gamers and Nintendo in a disgusting and disturbing way
All of the Nintendo Switch Pokemon games have major quality issues. Nintendo in house developed games are usually good
kind of apathetic to refer to the smash community as children. They've sustained an environment and created growth for years with independent leaders and in recent years have taken incredibly strong steps to increase safety and deal with bad actors in the community. Referring to them as lacking "adults" is just demeaning and reinforces the capitalist structure Nintendo limits itself committing to. It's probably consistently been one of the most damaging things to Nintendo's brand.
i understand this is in support of the community, but i think the transition kind flowed in weird and seemed like an attack, so i may just be capping right now
All good and we were not looking to generalize - the high profile cases of immaturity are an issue the community should look to weed out where they can.
The amount of ram it takes for Krysta to think,connect,relay and speak,. "Norse mythology" is hilarious. She def wants to call it
''north mythologies"
What about animal crossing for a good holiday game?
Huh, and here I was hearing that a lot of the recent Smash drama was more to do with their current partner, Panda
Nintendo's presence emboldened Alan's behavior. This has been a pattern of behavior since the beginning of this year. Nintendo's the Ring, Alan is Gollum.
People are judging Pokemon way too harshly. It's a great game, one of their best stories.
Every story is the best story imo