Another great youtuber, with a far too small audience for their amazing work. Great little ted talk about some of the issues people have. It was not over dramatic, but instead came with some good points and examples
I think you forgot one short story, where Baine dealt with his Quiboar problem in a peaceful manner and even rescued Garrosh, when Garrosh tried to resolve it by force and got overrun. I think Baine was once supposed to be a contrast to Garrosh, but that doesn`t work anymore once Garrosh went off the deep end.
True, I think I've heard of that. Lots of stuff Baine has done works fine in a vacuum. It's the culmination of his actions that leave me unable to like him.
I agree with some things and again on other things, Garrosh was not being a tyrant until later on when Blizz decided to make him a villain. Did he hate Vol'jin? Duh, I would hate a guy who was supposed to be my advisor, left behind by a father figure who ignored all my warnings that I was not ready for the position he gave me, only for said advisor to turn around moments later and threaten to put an arrow into my back, so all in all: Screw Vol'jin, wish he would have gotten disenchanted rather then be used as the new loa of kings, replacing a badass Devilsaur, with his loser rear. Then you have Baine, the absolute failure of a leader who never once was loyal to the Horde, every time he had the chance to side with the Horde, he didn't. There is a reason why I say that if the Alliance invaded Orgrimmar and burned down an orphanage, Baine would ask what the orphans did to provoke the attack, much how he made excuses for the Alliance killing his people in Taurajo.
I do appreciate those elements in Garrosh's downfall. It was a combination of his own aggressive personality and being failed by those who he most needed guidance from. I think War Crimes showed an alternate-reality Garrosh that would've been one of the best warchiefs ever under different circumstances. All part of why I think he's possibly the best expansion big bad they've written.
@Zukalu To me, it just feels forced, considering the major times we see Garrosh, he is a excellent leader. Both in Northrend and in the Stonetalon Mountains. Then when Cairne accuses him of a crime he never committed (Orcish Twilight cultists attack Cenarion Circle Druids), he doesn't blame the entirety of the Tauren for it, heck, he despises Magatha for robbing him of the honorable duel he was supposed to have with Cairne. Everything we saw of Garrosh until Blizz hamfisted his heel-turn to moustache-twirling villain was that Garrosh was brutal, yes, but he had honor.
I always thought that they wanted to sanitize and neuter the horde with the constant refusal to add races that would be great in the horde, we could have had ogres, quillboars, forest trolls, but we only got blood elves and a course to sand the edges of the horde and make it unimportant
Quillboars would have been a tough addition, since horde was killing them in the Barrens since vanilla, but ogres are for sure a huge miss from blizzard. Like you guys got vulpera lmao, but not ogres who were part of the horde in the warcraft rts games
I think I heard somewhere that the main thing stopping them adding ogres as playable Horde characters is that no one has any idea what the females should look like. Like OK, but now that it's "body type 2" instead of "female" just have that be two-headed ogres, and you're all set!
Just to let you know... Cannibalism means you eat your own race. Eating humans by other race is not cannibalism. :D So trolls are not cannibals but maneaters.
Personally I'm more of the opinion that Cannibalism refers more to eating "people", where "people" is a nebulous concept that includes both humans and trolls, as well as centaurs, quillboar, murlocs, etc. In real life, there is only one species (currently) that are "people", but in fantasy that's generally not the case.
@@stevenglowacki8576 By definition cannibalism is eating someone the same race as you. For trolls, consuming other species is merely an ordinary meal, enriched by their culinary diversity. There are some trolls however like Gurubashi and Amani who traditionally eat their defeated foe and that hints that maybe they consumed troll meat as well, but generally speaking trolls are not cannibals by nature.
Another great youtuber, with a far too small audience for their amazing work. Great little ted talk about some of the issues people have. It was not over dramatic, but instead came with some good points and examples
I love this video
I think you forgot one short story, where Baine dealt with his Quiboar problem in a peaceful manner and even rescued Garrosh, when Garrosh tried to resolve it by force and got overrun. I think Baine was once supposed to be a contrast to Garrosh, but that doesn`t work anymore once Garrosh went off the deep end.
True, I think I've heard of that. Lots of stuff Baine has done works fine in a vacuum. It's the culmination of his actions that leave me unable to like him.
@@Zukalu Yeah, i can see that. We Tauren and Troll fans have both the same problems, being ignored by the writers.
I agree with some things and again on other things, Garrosh was not being a tyrant until later on when Blizz decided to make him a villain. Did he hate Vol'jin? Duh, I would hate a guy who was supposed to be my advisor, left behind by a father figure who ignored all my warnings that I was not ready for the position he gave me, only for said advisor to turn around moments later and threaten to put an arrow into my back, so all in all: Screw Vol'jin, wish he would have gotten disenchanted rather then be used as the new loa of kings, replacing a badass Devilsaur, with his loser rear. Then you have Baine, the absolute failure of a leader who never once was loyal to the Horde, every time he had the chance to side with the Horde, he didn't. There is a reason why I say that if the Alliance invaded Orgrimmar and burned down an orphanage, Baine would ask what the orphans did to provoke the attack, much how he made excuses for the Alliance killing his people in Taurajo.
I do appreciate those elements in Garrosh's downfall. It was a combination of his own aggressive personality and being failed by those who he most needed guidance from. I think War Crimes showed an alternate-reality Garrosh that would've been one of the best warchiefs ever under different circumstances. All part of why I think he's possibly the best expansion big bad they've written.
@Zukalu To me, it just feels forced, considering the major times we see Garrosh, he is a excellent leader. Both in Northrend and in the Stonetalon Mountains. Then when Cairne accuses him of a crime he never committed (Orcish Twilight cultists attack Cenarion Circle Druids), he doesn't blame the entirety of the Tauren for it, heck, he despises Magatha for robbing him of the honorable duel he was supposed to have with Cairne.
Everything we saw of Garrosh until Blizz hamfisted his heel-turn to moustache-twirling villain was that Garrosh was brutal, yes, but he had honor.
The writers hate us for hating each other and that sucks. The players fighting against each other should be reflected in-game.
I always thought that they wanted to sanitize and neuter the horde with the constant refusal to add races that would be great in the horde, we could have had ogres, quillboars, forest trolls, but we only got blood elves and a course to sand the edges of the horde and make it unimportant
Quillboars would have been a tough addition, since horde was killing them in the Barrens since vanilla, but ogres are for sure a huge miss from blizzard. Like you guys got vulpera lmao, but not ogres who were part of the horde in the warcraft rts games
I call it "reddit horde"
I think I heard somewhere that the main thing stopping them adding ogres as playable Horde characters is that no one has any idea what the females should look like. Like OK, but now that it's "body type 2" instead of "female" just have that be two-headed ogres, and you're all set!
@@kekcrusader4979 It's as dumb as not adding High Elves in the Alliance, maybe there's too many furries working in Blizzard.
Oh yeah, makes total sense adding a minor race like quillboar we slaughtered most of classic.
They soften the game both in gameplay and lore. I think its because Horde was having too much testosterone for average bugmen from modern audience.
Just to let you know... Cannibalism means you eat your own race. Eating humans by other race is not cannibalism. :D So trolls are not cannibals but maneaters.
Elves were trolls once though. Eatting them woulb be like an homo sapien eating a neandertal.
So not cannibalism by definition.
Personally I'm more of the opinion that Cannibalism refers more to eating "people", where "people" is a nebulous concept that includes both humans and trolls, as well as centaurs, quillboar, murlocs, etc. In real life, there is only one species (currently) that are "people", but in fantasy that's generally not the case.
I fully endorse this discussion of the semantics of cannibalism.
@@stevenglowacki8576 By definition cannibalism is eating someone the same race as you. For trolls, consuming other species is merely an ordinary meal, enriched by their culinary diversity.
There are some trolls however like Gurubashi and Amani who traditionally eat their defeated foe and that hints that maybe they consumed troll meat as well, but generally speaking trolls are not cannibals by nature.