@@ItsMeStrider curry literally had the greatest superteam of all rime with KD, klay, dray, iggy.... what you on about? If magic had kareem, curry had kd. Magic got more rings out of it tho, along with more fmvps.
Jokic shoots 3 and brings the ball up the floor, we still call him a Center. MJ & Kobe were posting up on the block, we still call them shooting guards. Why is the “Steph isn’t a real PG” thing such a topic? Yall gotta evolve.
30 played 3 years with KD and people were crying like Hitler came back from the death. Magic got to play with Kareem, a top 5 all time player at worst, and a 6 time mvp at the time and nobody says shit. Imma take Steph over Ben Simmons with better PR anyday of the week and twice on sundays
I appreciate Magic, however, id pick Curry over Magic. But i understand someone choosing Magic, but I value Currys shooting and off ball movement over Magics passing.
That’s because nowadays you can’t win with 2s. The game has changed, and Curry is the reason. But that doesn’t make him an all around better “point guard”.
Exactly, passing is a team thing. You still need a finisher to get the assist. While Curry doesn’t need anyone to shot a logo 3s. And guess what, they’re double/triple teaming Curry at the 30’ mark. Remember how LJ and KD were wild open in the Olympic and Curry wasn’t anywhere near the basket? Curry shoot 4 3s, under D pressure, to shield the game. MJ and Magic would never be able to do that. Curry = GOAT!
@@yungtykiss7992 no he wouldn't uf curry was drafted in the 80s he would not practaise the 3 ball bc it wasent common magic played the way the era played his game style suited him at that time. steph would make the lakers lose he def not winning playing in the centre as a rookie. u can't just put a player from the 2010s and put them in the 90s that's like putting mj in this era he gonna average 50 that's why it's hard to compare era's
@@MarkisKallosyour changing the question curry skillset on the lakers in the 80s would be over kill. The skillset would be the same because curry wasn’t drafted in the 80s.
Magic played with the greatest player of this time (Kareem) and has 5 rings. Curry played AGAINST the goat of his era (LeBron) and still have 4. You really think rings would be an actual thing to consider if Curry played with LeBron?
he had a super team and if they didn't get kd LeBron would trash the warriors and in 2015 lebron was alone and if he had kyrie they would slam the warriors btb
@@TheVoid126 you saying Kyrie and Love weren’t stars at the time? Also Klay and Dray weren’t shit at 2015 yet. Same with the Warriors in 2017-19, KD wasn’t shit unless Curry around.
And he had also one of the goat of this time kd and one of the goat defenders maybe two green and iguadala. He had the 2nd goat shooter and great defender too klay. You forgot boston team are superteam 1985 and bird is one of the goat in that era two and defeat by lakers. Bird, Mchale, parish and johnson are not a joke opponents
@@TheVoid126the cavs won by 4 points in a game 7 after coming down 3-1 relying on some of greatest performances of all time..even if KD didn’t join the warriors they’d win more as 2022 showed
Magic was better!! He inspired his teammates, was the assist leader and triples doubles leader yearly, and if he didn’t retire early, we wouldn’t be having this conversation
Why nobody ever mentions Jason Kidd in the goat pg debate is crazy. Kidd has a top 10 3pt% of all time, top 10 assist all time, more rebounds and stls than both of them.
@aubreydrakegrahamthe1st yall need to stop with the ring stuff. Yall take away these STARS value cause they don't win 6,7 or 8 rings. Bill Russell got 11 rings and you can careless. I bet you Russell ain't your goat center.
@@WormsSportsrings don’t matter much after the 3 mark but it shows Jason Kidd didn’t have much success past the regular season and the one time he did he was carried by dirk
If Steph Curry gets one more ring, does that officially make him the GOAT point guard, or do Magic’s triple-doubles and Showtime Lakers still give him the edge? What’s more important: rings or all-around play?
it will always be debatable. Thats why these are hard to discuss. Rings and impact on all-around play. Magic had that, IF Steph does get that 5th, then I think Steph takes it
IMO the more time that goes on... The less rings matter. With the entire NBA getting better and the new CBA rules it will be harder and harder to make a dynasty to win 5+ chips in a career.
to me, i’ve always said that it depends on the team, if you want a PG that magnifies your offensive power, then pick Magic. If you want a deadly scorer for your team that gives you crazy spacing, pick Curry.
Magic was on an already built team. We'll never know how many rings he would have gotten if the team was built around him, like built from scratch. Steph was in a shitty team that drafted key players and turned the franchise around. Imo its not even close. One guy is what 6'2 maybe 6'3 the other is 6'9. I mean, its impressive AF what Steph can do being undersized in todays league.
Magic is a better playmaker, that's true. But Steph has arguably the greatest offensive bag in NBA history. I personally place more value on Steph's skillset.
Magic is the best to ever play the point guard position. Curry is the man who killed the point guard position. Curry plays no position he plays a mix between point and shooting guard but not quite I think he is the first positionless small. I guess you could call him a point wing.
There’s more to facilitating a game other than passing. The only thing magic has on curry is passing and defending. Defending is only due to Magic’s height. If curry was 6’9 he’d be the GOAT.
Wait so with the haters knowledge curry is the best shooting guard? Not MJ not Kobe, is curry because he's the best shooter right? And curry should be a SHOOTING GUARD?
These GOAT debate videos are BULL$HIT. It's all about perspective, as the game evloves, so do the measures of greatness. Ive been watching NBA and NCAA basketball since the 70's. Every era has their respective GOAT... simple as that.
As "important" as Magic was, he never had a Unanimous MVP. He never had to go against today's version of prime Jordan (Lebron) 4 times at the height of his power and arguably one of the greatest Celtics squads ever assembled and came out with 4 rings. People also forget that the Warriors built that team into what it was. They built the team into a 73-9 regular season team. It is not like Curry had multiple Number 1 overall picks and a Champion in Kareem (Another TOP 10 all time) join his team.
Yeah instead of an unanimous mvp he has MORE MVPs And finals MVPs And rings Instead of facing a lebron with 2 injured teammates and then again facing lebron while Steph has the greatest super team in existence magic faced the 80s celetics with a prime Larry Bird You acting like Steph faced any team stronger than the 84-88 Celtics Not a single ring that Steph won he had to beat a harder team.
if I was starting a team I would want steph as my point guard over magic. I just think his style of play is unmatched, running around off ball creating chaos just by running around without even having the ball, also curry could play on ball and off ball I don’t think I would want Magic off ball, people say curry isn’t a great passer but I think he’s an above average passer and half of draymond’s assist should probably be credited to curry since he’s the one creating the openings, while draymond is just delivering the pass.
Been a Warriorfan since 83. But just before that I watched the Lakers reign. I can tell you these two are very much legends of their eras. Two things are very true...Magic changed the position. He played every position on the floor. But Steph Curry changed the game. 💯🙋♂️
This is not even a fair debate honestly: Magic Johnson is easily the GOAT over Steph Curry. 1. When we talk about the GOAT, we're talking about the ALL AROUND greatest player at that position. Steph is not the greatest all around point guard ever. Hes the greatest scoring PG ever. He just jacks up 3's... thats it. 2. Who is steph curry without a solid warriors team? They got rid of Klay...ok.... but Steph still has Draymond and Wiggins. Steph needs to be tested without his support system to even qualify to be considered in the GOAT conversation.
people like to define greatness based on acolades alone but many other factors come in like longevity, infuence, showmanship, impact on the game and who's generally the better player. when you define gratness correctly youll realise that theres no debate. Curry is the GOAT
It’s really easy to settle. Whoever picks Magic over Steph, pick a team on 2k, any team. Sub the point guard out and sub in Magic for one team and Steph for another. Sim 100 games and I will bet you that Steph’s team would win more than 50.
No sir. Stephs biggest weakness is that the man shoots to many damn 3s when he doesn't have to. Remember we are talking about point guard not point/shooting guard. Not to mention Steph is known to have mental relapse in games. Where as Magic never did. Even if stepgs gets 5 you have sgeph with 5 rings 2 fmvp. Magics had 5 rings with 3 fmvp. The debate goes to Magic. Steph is my favorite player but Magic is ahead of him
@@tom97009 Steph's true shooting percentage: 63% Magic's TSP: 61%. So Steph doesn't shoot "to" many threes. he scores more points per shot than any PG in history.
@@joeyhughley7592 That was in 1984. From 1985 to 1991 he won 3 NBA MVPs, made 5 trips to the Finals, and won 3 NBA championships. Nothing "tragic" about that.
@@tom97009 Nobody cares about finals mvp as much as Lebron fans. I’ve been watching NBA for decades and this is such a fabricated narrative. Steph is the most important player in all finals. Casual fans just take face value of every stats. It’s like saying Carmelo Anthony is a better international player than Manu because he has more accolades. Magic had such a stacked team every time he won. That is not the case with Steph in 22 or 15. Not every ring count is equal.
We can’t even hail Magic as king TD, Russ has over 200 by now FAR ahead of anyone else. -I do love that Curry is getting his name in this conversation now. We need a debate that isn’t MJ v Bron lmao.
He’s a SHOOTING GUARD that barely plays defense that doesn’t make him superior to Magic Johnson who had he not had to retire because of HIV would be in the discussion for the greatest player of all time would be the all-time leader in assists would be in the top 20 scoring and likely would have six or eight rings total has he played for another 5 to 8 years like he was fully capable of doing
It’s an interesting conversation because they have 2 LITERALLY completely different play styles one shoots and one passes first so that’s why I’m not sure who’s the goat PG
Magic was amazing! Curry would be my shooting guard. Jon Stockton amazing! Allen Iverson might be top ten greatest all time. He had little to no talent on his team a d took them to the playoffs year after year. Steve Nash another great point guard. Hard to say who is the best but I think it goes to Allen Iverson.
both are different kind of PG. with the ball, always magic. off ball curry is ofcoarse better. If you have a squad with ball dominant superstars, might be better to have curry.
I swear Gil makes up shit every time he talks. James Worthy played 77 games his rookie year until he broke his tibia and missed the rest of the season and the playoffs
stop comparing a pure pointguard against a hybrid pointguard. they are different man. curry is the upgraded version of a pointguard. hybrid thats all , whats the nonsense of comparing them
Magic is better defensively and playmaker wise but is not as elite of a scorer and a Dud shooting 3s. Curry is a great playmaker(not as good as magic but still great), incredible motor(never stops moving), a good defender(not great like Magic), and spaces the floor more Magic ever could which is arguably the most important part. Also greatest 3point shooter to ever live.
Curry and the warriors are the reason, why lebron aint the goat, harden has not won a chip and the thunder with kd, russ and harden decided to split up, destroying a future dynastie... The warriors dynastie, led by curry had a similar impact as the bulls dynastie back than
Magic is the better passer and leader and played real basketball with physicality. Curry is a better 3pt shooter in a softer era playing streetball. Magic is 6'9 and an imposing machine. Triple doubles. Lol and an Alpha. Top player ever. Just as a player in any era. Any era meaning without the 3pt line. Curry is beta and wouldn't be so special in the era without 3pt line and being physical.
no he wouldn't uf curry was drafted in the 80s he would not practaise the 3 ball bc it wasent common magic played the way the era played his game style suited him at that time. steph would make the lakers lose he def not winning playing in the centre as a rookie. u can't just put a player from the 2010s and put them in the 90s that's like putting mj in this era he gonna average 50 that's why it's hard to compare era's
Draymond isn't the point guard. Rarely does he bring the ball up and creates with movement. He isn't a point of attack player that will demand doubles, creating shots for others due to his actions. Draymond is a very smart passer, but he isn't a good point guard. What makes what he does work is the gtavity and movement of others. Draymond's movement doesn't create shots for others. Steph is the point guard because he is the 1 that creates shots for others. Their plays are mediocre without gravity being produced, making Draymond a much less effective passer. Chris Paul is a great example of how to play the position without scoring a lot. Draymond is the opposite. He is more of a stationary passer that relies on the movement of others to help his team succeeds.
How can curry be ahead of magic when he barely makes the top 10 in most peoples goat list but magic is always top 5 at least. The math is not mathing😂.
@@mytruthismoreuseful I'll take Magic over Steph. With Steph, you have to play in that space and pace style for him to be effective. Which negates usefulness of big men. Magic can run any system.
Magic is goat PG. Career avg 20pt, 11.2ast, is best playmaker of all time. 3x MVP, 5x Champ including rookie yr when Kareem got injured and he got a 40pt triple double. Plus PLAYED DEFENSE! Was a 2x steals champ. Steph at 22pt, 5reb, 6ast, is far better 3pt shooter and that's about it.
So Steph is only better at 3 point shooting? Out of the 50 plus accumens a player can bring to the game, thats the only aspect of Curry's game that is better? If that's the case, why did Curry win so much? Was it because he was gifted with a ready made team that went to the WCF 2 straight years before he got there? Was it because he was drafted to a team that had the current MVP on it? Perhaps it was because he was surrounded with Lottery pick players at 3 or more positions. Magic was an incredible talent that took advantage of the stars aligning. What would he be if as a true #1 pick, he went to 1 of the worst teams in the league? How many chips would he have if he needed to wait 4 to 6 years to build a team around him. Of course Magic won chips early and often. He was paired with the best player in the league his 1st 4 seasons. How many chips do you think Curry would've had if he was drafted by a team that was already a championship ready, then 2 years later, in a steal, drafted the best player in the draft, followed by drafting the best 2 guard in a draft 2 years later? (Worthy/Scott)
@AndYouAre Did I stutter? Magic did it all (offense, defense, rebounding, passing etc.), Curry doesn't. How are you trolls gonna say Magic is "Ben Simmons" but his teammates Byron Scott was a god??🤦♂️ Magic WAS the showtime Lakers. Had Kareem? He won first championship playing center for the injured MVP. His last 2 championships Kareem was over 40 and couldn't move. Curry can't play any D, can't rebound, and at 6.40 assists is way behind Magic's 11.2. And don't forget, before mentioning "stacked Lakers" Curry choked on a 73win team only to add the MVP and win 2 more, while also having the DPOY and top a 5 shooter of all time too. They were more loaded than Lakers. Curry needs another MVP and championship just to catch MAGIC, much less pass him.
@nathanlawson313 I'm old enough to have watched him play in his rookie season. It was Kareem who made that team great the 1st 3 years. Most only know about Magic because somehow the best player in the draft somehow fell in the lap of 1 of the best teams in the league. What would Magic be if he was drafted by the Washington Bullets? Magic's complete game have been washes over by all of the great UA-cam highlights? How about all those games in which he had 8 or more tunrnovers? Or those games in which he missed every shot taken outside of 5 feet? What about "Tragic Magic" in '82 where he single handedly cost his team a playoff series? I watched Magic. He was so exciting! But once Jordan came, it was kindava wrap. No player was ever gifted teams like Magic. People complain about Steph getting KD, but say nothing about how it was on him to create a winning culture for that franchise. Jordan, Early LeBron, Steph dont get enough credit for coming into the league on garbage franchises who wasn't trying to win.
@nathanlawson313 I have no beef with anyone saying Magic is the greatest PG ever. What I am saying is that most of his accolades were contributed by his circumstance. Maybe he wins a chip without all that he was given to start his career, but certainly not 5. What is Magic today if he had only 2 chips in 18 years of play? Let's say he needed to bounce around a bit like most players back then. Magic was a poor man's LeBron who won more often due to his circumstance.
@@BodenBurke-hu2nt magic may be the best playmaker of all time but stephs gravity and space creation on offence is way more valuable im taking curry over magic any day and its not close
You cant really make a good faith comparison. Magic would be better in the current era...curry would be worse in magic's era. There were great 3 point shooters back then but people were able to hold you and steer you on the perimeter. Curry not getting those shots up like that. Whether that would have put one over the other, cant say. It's not as clear cut as jordan vs lebron where jordan is just so far above anyone else it's not close.
Man, you put Magic in the team and the team win championship immediately. Put Curry in the team, and spend many years to build team around him. And if you take that 3pts line out, Curry’s impact would all gone, while Magic would still impact the game the same way. Isn’t that what greatest of all time be like? Or would you exclude the time when 3pts line didn’t exist?
Put magic in which team? You act like Steph isn’t one of the most efficient players all time by TS and finishing, Steph without the 3pt line is still one of the best finishing guards ever and a great play maker, Steph before he became the system was a more traditional pg but it was him shooting and his efficiency that allowed his team to take the leap in 2015 for his first chip
@@Bluenitro111deduct his PPG by 1/3, then his average point per game’d become soooo average! Without 3pt line he’s not a treat to put more than 2players to guard him! Without 3pt shooting he’d have no ability to attract much attention from the opponents nor creating opportunities for his teammate to easily shoot!
Other the. Shooting what is curry better then magic at magic is the better defender better leader better rebounder better passer better floor general more rings more mvps more finals mvps and played less seasons and accomplished more
I can make an argument that shooting is the most important aspect of the game, but that's not my point today. Curry wasn't drafted by a team that had the current MVP, a team that was ready to win now, and didnt have a single teammate that could possibly be considered top 5 at their position. Magic was blessed, coming into a league with very few contemporaries at his position. He was set up to win almost every accolade at his position. Magic was an amazing player, but what would Magic be if he was drafted by any other team not named the Lakers, Celtics, Rockets, or 76ers? Being the #1 draft, he should've went to a terrible team. On paper, Magic had the 2nd most successful 12 year stint in modern basketball, only being over shadowed by Jordan. Jordan wasn't able to have the kind of start Magic had because he wasnt given what Magic was given. This is why I think Curry was greater than Magic because he had to start from scratch.
nah bro magic is better what does stpeh have other than shooting magic is better at everything els. u kids these days just want to shoot half courts don't know how to play real basketball
Someone who averages 6/14 from 3 is better than Magic Johnson? Magic can play in any system. Steph can only play in the space and pace system. Steph would just be a role player in the 80/90s where the 3 wasn't important and spacing wasn't used often. Kyle Korver is a better 3pt shooter, but didn't have the space and pace. Magic has more awards and was electrifying. Also was the best for running fast breaks. He was FMVP 3 times, with 5 rings, 3 MVPs, 12 time NBA All-star The standards of greatness have seriously lowered.
@alfasiger4178 He is sucha great shooter when you put him into a tole player he outshines the star player kd when he played with warriors lebron and kd at olympics where curry droped 60 points in finals and semi finals. So is that a system or just curry being curry. When steph has the ball he dominates when he is on a secondary or third scorer role he dominates. You clearly never watched him. Steph curry is not a system player HE IS THE SYSTEM.
@@OBG11122 I've seen Curry. Doesn't amuse me cause all he does is try to shoot 3s. Steph was nothing until Kerr came along and implemented that system around him and klay. Also, mentioning a few olympic games does not overshadow his career 41% 6/14 from 3. You clearly never seen Magic play. Magic controls the game like no other. Magic has more accolades, more reliable, was a triple double machine. Saying someone is the system proves my point. He can't play unless he is the system. If Korver, Miller, and Allen had the same system put around them, they would've been more successful. They were better shooters without the system.
@@rylo8266 Kyle Korver had the best 3pt shooting season of all time at 54% with a career 43%. Steph shot the most 3s. He should be higher than 6/14 FG. Steph has a career 41%. Shooting the most does not make you the best. Even Steve Kerr has a higher 3pt FG than Steph. With Luke Kennard leading all of them right now. Steph is only 41% despite taking the most 3s in history. This is why Steph needs a super team to win.
This is a joke of a debate. Curry hasn’t done enough to pass Magic. Curry definitely top 2 but can’t be #1. Magic is literally better at every statistic other than shooting. How is this even a debate. No player today is the best at any statistic. The only player that is the best at anything would be Curry at shooting beyond the 3 point line. That’s it.
No sir. Stephs biggest weakness is that the man shoots to many damn 3s when he doesn't have to. Remember we are talking about point guard not point/shooting guard. Not to mention Steph is known to have mental relapse in games. Where as Magic never did. Even if stepgs gets 5 you have steph with 5 rings 2 fmvp. Magics had 5 rings with 3 fmvp. The debate goes to Magic. Steph is my favorite player but Magic is ahead of him
Magic is great because he’s NOT supposed to be a guard. But Steph has BLOWN the expectations of a guard out the window. It’s Steph.
curry is light years ahead of magic johnson, people who say otherwise are just blinded by nostalgia
@@oogoid9679 valid point.
Curry is ahead of Magic in my eyes
if curry got teammates of the 80's lakers calibers since his rookie year he might've won 10 rings in a row at some point lol
@@ItsMeStrider curry literally had the greatest superteam of all rime with KD, klay, dray, iggy.... what you on about? If magic had kareem, curry had kd. Magic got more rings out of it tho, along with more fmvps.
@@MrE_they did it for only 2 years
You ended the debate by saying we will have to wait and see??
Jokic shoots 3 and brings the ball up the floor, we still call him a Center. MJ & Kobe were posting up on the block, we still call them shooting guards. Why is the “Steph isn’t a real PG” thing such a topic? Yall gotta evolve.
30 played 3 years with KD and people were crying like Hitler came back from the death. Magic got to play with Kareem, a top 5 all time player at worst, and a 6 time mvp at the time and nobody says shit.
Imma take Steph over Ben Simmons with better PR anyday of the week and twice on sundays
I appreciate Magic, however, id pick Curry over Magic. But i understand someone choosing Magic, but I value Currys shooting and off ball movement over Magics passing.
That’s because nowadays you can’t win with 2s. The game has changed, and Curry is the reason. But that doesn’t make him an all around better “point guard”.
@@rene.s.sbut if you swap curry and magic careers in terms of when they entered the league curry would probably be the goat
Exactly, passing is a team thing. You still need a finisher to get the assist. While Curry doesn’t need anyone to shot a logo 3s. And guess what, they’re double/triple teaming Curry at the 30’ mark. Remember how LJ and KD were wild open in the Olympic and Curry wasn’t anywhere near the basket? Curry shoot 4 3s, under D pressure, to shield the game. MJ and Magic would never be able to do that. Curry = GOAT!
@@yungtykiss7992 no he wouldn't uf curry was drafted in the 80s he would not practaise the 3 ball bc it wasent common magic played the way the era played his game style suited him at that time. steph would make the lakers lose he def not winning playing in the centre as a rookie. u can't just put a player from the 2010s and put them in the 90s that's like putting mj in this era he gonna average 50 that's why it's hard to compare era's
@@MarkisKallosyour changing the question curry skillset on the lakers in the 80s would be over kill. The skillset would be the same because curry wasn’t drafted in the 80s.
Magic played with the greatest player of this time (Kareem) and has 5 rings. Curry played AGAINST the goat of his era (LeBron) and still have 4. You really think rings would be an actual thing to consider if Curry played with LeBron?
he had a super team and if they didn't get kd LeBron would trash the warriors and in 2015 lebron was alone and if he had kyrie they would slam the warriors btb
@@TheVoid126 you saying Kyrie and Love weren’t stars at the time? Also Klay and Dray weren’t shit at 2015 yet. Same with the Warriors in 2017-19, KD wasn’t shit unless Curry around.
He means that Kyrie got injured and Steph’s supporting cast was better in 2015 than lebrons
And he had also one of the goat of this time kd and one of the goat defenders maybe two green and iguadala. He had the 2nd goat shooter and great defender too klay. You forgot boston team are superteam 1985 and bird is one of the goat in that era two and defeat by lakers. Bird, Mchale, parish and johnson are not a joke opponents
@@TheVoid126the cavs won by 4 points in a game 7 after coming down 3-1 relying on some of greatest performances of all time..even if KD didn’t join the warriors they’d win more as 2022 showed
Magic was better!! He inspired his teammates, was the assist leader and triples doubles leader yearly, and if he didn’t retire early, we wouldn’t be having this conversation
Yeah no he tried MJ once in the 90s and that went south real fast.
Why nobody ever mentions Jason Kidd in the goat pg debate is crazy. Kidd has a top 10 3pt% of all time, top 10 assist all time, more rebounds and stls than both of them.
1 ring
@aubreydrakegrahamthe1st yall need to stop with the ring stuff. Yall take away these STARS value cause they don't win 6,7 or 8 rings. Bill Russell got 11 rings and you can careless. I bet you Russell ain't your goat center.
@@WormsSportsrings don’t matter much after the 3 mark but it shows Jason Kidd didn’t have much success past the regular season and the one time he did he was carried by dirk
If Steph Curry gets one more ring, does that officially make him the GOAT point guard, or do Magic’s triple-doubles and Showtime Lakers still give him the edge? What’s more important: rings or all-around play?
it will always be debatable. Thats why these are hard to discuss. Rings and impact on all-around play. Magic had that, IF Steph does get that 5th, then I think Steph takes it
IMO the more time that goes on... The less rings matter. With the entire NBA getting better and the new CBA rules it will be harder and harder to make a dynasty to win 5+ chips in a career.
@@Eliil3facts 2 chips is the new 4 you can go from being champ to knocked out the 2nd rd within a szn
to me, i’ve always said that it depends on the team, if you want a PG that magnifies your offensive power, then pick Magic. If you want a deadly scorer for your team that gives you crazy spacing, pick Curry.
Magic was on an already built team. We'll never know how many rings he would have gotten if the team was built around him, like built from scratch. Steph was in a shitty team that drafted key players and turned the franchise around. Imo its not even close. One guy is what 6'2 maybe 6'3 the other is 6'9. I mean, its impressive AF what Steph can do being undersized in todays league.
If Warriors wins this year, He'll def surpass Magic
Is Stephen Curry a point guard? Today's game is position less, I would argue Bron is more of a PG than Steph
Bro MJ is on something how the *uck did he just say "magic is EASILY the best point guard but Steph is VERY CLOSE" like what was he smoking😂😂
Magic is a better playmaker, that's true. But Steph has arguably the greatest offensive bag in NBA history. I personally place more value on Steph's skillset.
KD is the best offensive player OAT
Magic is the best to ever play the point guard position. Curry is the man who killed the point guard position. Curry plays no position he plays a mix between point and shooting guard but not quite I think he is the first positionless small. I guess you could call him a point wing.
Yes
There’s more to facilitating a game other than passing. The only thing magic has on curry is passing and defending. Defending is only due to Magic’s height. If curry was 6’9 he’d be the GOAT.
Curry tbh. No hate. He changed the game. That alone is enough
Wait so with the haters knowledge curry is the best shooting guard? Not MJ not Kobe, is curry because he's the best shooter right? And curry should be a SHOOTING GUARD?
These GOAT debate videos are BULL$HIT. It's all about perspective, as the game evloves, so do the measures of greatness. Ive been watching NBA and NCAA basketball since the 70's. Every era has their respective GOAT... simple as that.
As "important" as Magic was, he never had a Unanimous MVP. He never had to go against today's version of prime Jordan (Lebron) 4 times at the height of his power and arguably one of the greatest Celtics squads ever assembled and came out with 4 rings. People also forget that the Warriors built that team into what it was. They built the team into a 73-9 regular season team. It is not like Curry had multiple Number 1 overall picks and a Champion in Kareem (Another TOP 10 all time) join his team.
Yeah instead of an unanimous mvp he has MORE MVPs
And finals MVPs
And rings
Instead of facing a lebron with 2 injured teammates and then again facing lebron while Steph has the greatest super team in existence magic faced the 80s celetics with a prime Larry Bird
You acting like Steph faced any team stronger than the 84-88 Celtics
Not a single ring that Steph won he had to beat a harder team.
if I was starting a team I would want steph as my point guard over magic. I just think his style of play is unmatched, running around off ball creating chaos just by running around without even having the ball, also curry could play on ball and off ball I don’t think I would want Magic off ball, people say curry isn’t a great passer but I think he’s an above average passer and half of draymond’s assist should probably be credited to curry since he’s the one creating the openings, while draymond is just delivering the pass.
Curry won a ring with one leg klay wiggins dray and looney as starters. Just with this he is ahead of magic
Been a Warriorfan since 83. But just before that I watched the Lakers reign. I can tell you these two are very much legends of their eras. Two things are very true...Magic changed the position. He played every position on the floor. But Steph Curry changed the game. 💯🙋♂️
Magic could have a 15pt 7ast 6reb 2stl game & literally control the entire game
Steph’s shooting is such a game changer and the single most deadly skill ever in basketball. You gotta go with Steph as the goat point guard
This is not even a fair debate honestly: Magic Johnson is easily the GOAT over Steph Curry. 1. When we talk about the GOAT, we're talking about the ALL AROUND greatest player at that position. Steph is not the greatest all around point guard ever. Hes the greatest scoring PG ever. He just jacks up 3's... thats it. 2. Who is steph curry without a solid warriors team? They got rid of Klay...ok.... but Steph still has Draymond and Wiggins. Steph needs to be tested without his support system to even qualify to be considered in the GOAT conversation.
people like to define greatness based on acolades alone but many other factors come in like longevity, infuence, showmanship, impact on the game and who's generally the better player. when you define gratness correctly youll realise that theres no debate. Curry is the GOAT
It’s really easy to settle. Whoever picks Magic over Steph, pick a team on 2k, any team. Sub the point guard out and sub in Magic for one team and Steph for another.
Sim 100 games and I will bet you that Steph’s team would win more than 50.
No sir. Stephs biggest weakness is that the man shoots to many damn 3s when he doesn't have to. Remember we are talking about point guard not point/shooting guard. Not to mention Steph is known to have mental relapse in games. Where as Magic never did. Even if stepgs gets 5 you have sgeph with 5 rings 2 fmvp. Magics had 5 rings with 3 fmvp. The debate goes to Magic. Steph is my favorite player but Magic is ahead of him
@@tom97009 Steph's true shooting percentage: 63% Magic's TSP: 61%. So Steph doesn't shoot "to" many threes. he scores more points per shot than any PG in history.
@@tom97009magic Johnson did he litterally had the nick name tragic Johnson
@@joeyhughley7592 That was in 1984. From 1985 to 1991 he won 3 NBA MVPs, made 5 trips to the Finals, and won 3 NBA championships. Nothing "tragic" about that.
@@tom97009 Nobody cares about finals mvp as much as Lebron fans. I’ve been watching NBA for decades and this is such a fabricated narrative. Steph is the most important player in all finals.
Casual fans just take face value of every stats. It’s like saying Carmelo Anthony is a better international player than Manu because he has more accolades.
Magic had such a stacked team every time he won. That is not the case with Steph in 22 or 15. Not every ring count is equal.
We can’t even hail Magic as king TD, Russ has over 200 by now FAR ahead of anyone else. -I do love that Curry is getting his name in this conversation now. We need a debate that isn’t MJ v Bron lmao.
He’s a SHOOTING GUARD that barely plays defense that doesn’t make him superior to Magic Johnson who had he not had to retire because of HIV would be in the discussion for the greatest player of all time would be the all-time leader in assists would be in the top 20 scoring and likely would have six or eight rings total has he played for another 5 to 8 years like he was fully capable of doing
Thats like saying if curry didn’t have injury problems for the first 6 years of his nba career.
It’s an interesting conversation because they have 2 LITERALLY completely different play styles one shoots and one passes first so that’s why I’m not sure who’s the goat PG
Stephen Curry is the goat of basketball
Tf is this comment section
Yeah, yeah. Whatever man.
Curry is most definitely the better player but magic plays the pg position better than curry. I understand why the debate is still active.
Curry shorter, and more superior. Magic was able to be imitated, "LBJ", but there's no other Steph.
It won't officially end till Curry's retirement when we'll know the full scope of his career compared to Magic's.
8:53 james wiseman was the 2nd overall pick
Steph’s top 5 is probably the best 5
Magic is the the point god. Y’all are just living in the moment 😉
I don’t know why you used Gilbert Arena as your source? He don’t even know Kareem and Hakim are two different persons!
I understand why he’d put himself over Magic in his all time starting 5. If you have Lebron on that team what value does Magic really provide lmao.
Magic is the best point guard but Steph would be the top pick at 1 for a GOAT team as he would kill any adversaries in a top ever team
Me personally I just think wat curry does at the pg is more effective/ valuable Dan wat magic does it’s just simple
Magic was amazing! Curry would be my shooting guard. Jon Stockton amazing! Allen Iverson might be top ten greatest all time. He had little to no talent on his team a d took them to the playoffs year after year. Steve Nash another great point guard. Hard to say who is the best but I think it goes to Allen Iverson.
No answer at the end...
Seriously, this discussion is useless
both are different kind of PG. with the ball, always magic. off ball curry is ofcoarse better. If you have a squad with ball dominant superstars, might be better to have curry.
I swear Gil makes up shit every time he talks. James Worthy played 77 games his rookie year until he broke his tibia and missed the rest of the season and the playoffs
stop comparing a pure pointguard against a hybrid pointguard. they are different man. curry is the upgraded version of a pointguard. hybrid thats all , whats the nonsense of comparing them
Worthy wasn't there till 83 and he got hurt his rookie season....he made them a dynasty
Curry is undisputed goat point guard. 73-9 and unanimous mvp.
Magic is better defensively and playmaker wise but is not as elite of a scorer and a Dud shooting 3s.
Curry is a great playmaker(not as good as magic but still great), incredible motor(never stops moving), a good defender(not great like Magic), and spaces the floor more Magic ever could which is arguably the most important part.
Also greatest 3point shooter to ever live.
Magic was an above average defender at best he just happened to be 6’9.
Greatest Shooter but point guard give it John Stockton
Ain’t no easily. They are 2 totally different guards.
Curry and the warriors are the reason, why lebron aint the goat, harden has not won a chip and the thunder with kd, russ and harden decided to split up, destroying a future dynastie...
The warriors dynastie, led by curry had a similar impact as the bulls dynastie back than
Magic ain’t make the triple double Oscar did
It’s Steph but I still respect magic johnson tho
Magic is the better passer and leader and played real basketball with physicality. Curry is a better 3pt shooter in a softer era playing streetball.
Magic is 6'9 and an imposing machine. Triple doubles. Lol and an Alpha. Top player ever. Just as a player in any era. Any era meaning without the 3pt line. Curry is beta and wouldn't be so special in the era without 3pt line and being physical.
It already ended when team changed their teams structure to copy curry and the warriors. They couldn’t but they tried
Magic all day every day. If steph wins 1 more ring and fmvp i believe thats when you can make the case
no he wouldn't uf curry was drafted in the 80s he would not practaise the 3 ball bc it wasent common magic played the way the era played his game style suited him at that time. steph would make the lakers lose he def not winning playing in the centre as a rookie. u can't just put a player from the 2010s and put them in the 90s that's like putting mj in this era he gonna average 50 that's why it's hard to compare era's
curry don't need one more ring for me curry is the greatest point guard of all time even who answer my comment is useless
I m gonna say this... Have u seen curry passing.... If he wanted to he could average 10 assists
Magic is a point guard, and Curry is a small shooting guard. Warriors point guard in offense is Draymond
Draymond isn't the point guard. Rarely does he bring the ball up and creates with movement. He isn't a point of attack player that will demand doubles, creating shots for others due to his actions. Draymond is a very smart passer, but he isn't a good point guard. What makes what he does work is the gtavity and movement of others. Draymond's movement doesn't create shots for others.
Steph is the point guard because he is the 1 that creates shots for others. Their plays are mediocre without gravity being produced, making Draymond a much less effective passer. Chris Paul is a great example of how to play the position without scoring a lot. Draymond is the opposite. He is more of a stationary passer that relies on the movement of others to help his team succeeds.
Curry is goat
magic johnson is a brick
How can curry be ahead of magic when he barely makes the top 10 in most peoples goat list but magic is always top 5 at least. The math is not mathing😂.
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Greatest starting V ever.
Bench: Curry,Kobe,Bird,Giannis,Russell.
Nope u never take magic over Steph on any team
This is more of a team of most accomplished rather than best fitting team
@@mytruthismoreuseful I'll take Magic over Steph. With Steph, you have to play in that space and pace style for him to be effective. Which negates usefulness of big men.
Magic can run any system.
lol. It “ends today” now you just blatantly lying
Magic is goat PG. Career avg 20pt, 11.2ast, is best playmaker of all time. 3x MVP, 5x Champ including rookie yr when Kareem got injured and he got a 40pt triple double. Plus PLAYED DEFENSE! Was a 2x steals champ. Steph at 22pt, 5reb, 6ast, is far better 3pt shooter and that's about it.
So Steph is only better at 3 point shooting? Out of the 50 plus accumens a player can bring to the game, thats the only aspect of Curry's game that is better? If that's the case, why did Curry win so much? Was it because he was gifted with a ready made team that went to the WCF 2 straight years before he got there? Was it because he was drafted to a team that had the current MVP on it? Perhaps it was because he was surrounded with Lottery pick players at 3 or more positions.
Magic was an incredible talent that took advantage of the stars aligning. What would he be if as a true #1 pick, he went to 1 of the worst teams in the league? How many chips would he have if he needed to wait 4 to 6 years to build a team around him. Of course Magic won chips early and often. He was paired with the best player in the league his 1st 4 seasons. How many chips do you think Curry would've had if he was drafted by a team that was already a championship ready, then 2 years later, in a steal, drafted the best player in the draft, followed by drafting the best 2 guard in a draft 2 years later? (Worthy/Scott)
@AndYouAre Did I stutter? Magic did it all (offense, defense, rebounding, passing etc.), Curry doesn't. How are you trolls gonna say Magic is "Ben Simmons" but his teammates Byron Scott was a god??🤦♂️
Magic WAS the showtime Lakers. Had Kareem? He won first championship playing center for the injured MVP. His last 2 championships Kareem was over 40 and couldn't move. Curry can't play any D, can't rebound, and at 6.40 assists is way behind Magic's 11.2.
And don't forget, before mentioning "stacked Lakers" Curry choked on a 73win team only to add the MVP and win 2 more, while also having the DPOY and top a 5 shooter of all time too. They were more loaded than Lakers. Curry needs another MVP and championship just to catch MAGIC, much less pass him.
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I'm old enough to have watched him play in his rookie season. It was Kareem who made that team great the 1st 3 years. Most only know about Magic because somehow the best player in the draft somehow fell in the lap of 1 of the best teams in the league. What would Magic be if he was drafted by the Washington Bullets? Magic's complete game have been washes over by all of the great UA-cam highlights? How about all those games in which he had 8 or more tunrnovers? Or those games in which he missed every shot taken outside of 5 feet? What about "Tragic Magic" in '82 where he single handedly cost his team a playoff series?
I watched Magic. He was so exciting! But once Jordan came, it was kindava wrap. No player was ever gifted teams like Magic. People complain about Steph getting KD, but say nothing about how it was on him to create a winning culture for that franchise. Jordan, Early LeBron, Steph dont get enough credit for coming into the league on garbage franchises who wasn't trying to win.
@ This is very true indeed. Winning Championships is more of a Team accomplishment…
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I have no beef with anyone saying Magic is the greatest PG ever. What I am saying is that most of his accolades were contributed by his circumstance. Maybe he wins a chip without all that he was given to start his career, but certainly not 5. What is Magic today if he had only 2 chips in 18 years of play? Let's say he needed to bounce around a bit like most players back then. Magic was a poor man's LeBron who won more often due to his circumstance.
who cares if curry plays more like a sg hes the best and greatest pg ever
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@@justyouraverageyoutuber5218 nah im just saying it doesnt matter that curry doesnt play like a traditional pg, hes still the best at that position
@@munnedGILL I also would rather have Steph as my point guard I am trust saying that I think magic is better in the more traditional point guard roll
@@munnedGILL Mj has played point guard. He also doesnt play like a traditional pg, and has accomplished way more than curry
@@BodenBurke-hu2nt magic may be the best playmaker of all time but stephs gravity and space creation on offence is way more valuable im taking curry over magic any day and its not close
You cant really make a good faith comparison. Magic would be better in the current era...curry would be worse in magic's era. There were great 3 point shooters back then but people were able to hold you and steer you on the perimeter. Curry not getting those shots up like that. Whether that would have put one over the other, cant say. It's not as clear cut as jordan vs lebron where jordan is just so far above anyone else it's not close.
Man, you put Magic in the team and the team win championship immediately. Put Curry in the team, and spend many years to build team around him.
And if you take that 3pts line out, Curry’s impact would all gone, while Magic would still impact the game the same way. Isn’t that what greatest of all time be like? Or would you exclude the time when 3pts line didn’t exist?
Put magic in which team? You act like Steph isn’t one of the most efficient players all time by TS and finishing, Steph without the 3pt line is still one of the best finishing guards ever and a great play maker, Steph before he became the system was a more traditional pg but it was him shooting and his efficiency that allowed his team to take the leap in 2015 for his first chip
@@Bluenitro111deduct his PPG by 1/3, then his average point per game’d become soooo average! Without 3pt line he’s not a treat to put more than 2players to guard him! Without 3pt shooting he’d have no ability to attract much attention from the opponents nor creating opportunities for his teammate to easily shoot!
@@DistancUnity Thanks for explaining how overrated Curry is…
I AM THE BEST PG
Other the. Shooting what is curry better then magic at magic is the better defender better leader better rebounder better passer better floor general more rings more mvps more finals mvps and played less seasons and accomplished more
I can make an argument that shooting is the most important aspect of the game, but that's not my point today. Curry wasn't drafted by a team that had the current MVP, a team that was ready to win now, and didnt have a single teammate that could possibly be considered top 5 at their position. Magic was blessed, coming into a league with very few contemporaries at his position. He was set up to win almost every accolade at his position. Magic was an amazing player, but what would Magic be if he was drafted by any other team not named the Lakers, Celtics, Rockets, or 76ers? Being the #1 draft, he should've went to a terrible team.
On paper, Magic had the 2nd most successful 12 year stint in modern basketball, only being over shadowed by Jordan. Jordan wasn't able to have the kind of start Magic had because he wasnt given what Magic was given. This is why I think Curry was greater than Magic because he had to start from scratch.
nah bro magic is better what does stpeh have other than shooting magic is better at everything els. u kids these days just want to shoot half courts don't know how to play real basketball
Nah all magic did was pass and play Kareem. Curry changed the game.
@@Shawnjohson1608 dude pllayed centre in the nba finals curry lose from 3.1 bro
@ for 1 game dude was just lucky he was 6’9
Watch 80s game.. those are some low level basketball😂
Steph doesn't function as point guard though......
Hes still a point guard though lol
Someone who averages 6/14 from 3 is better than Magic Johnson?
Magic can play in any system. Steph can only play in the space and pace system. Steph would just be a role player in the 80/90s where the 3 wasn't important and spacing wasn't used often.
Kyle Korver is a better 3pt shooter, but didn't have the space and pace.
Magic has more awards and was electrifying. Also was the best for running fast breaks. He was FMVP 3 times, with 5 rings, 3 MVPs, 12 time NBA All-star
The standards of greatness have seriously lowered.
@alfasiger4178 He is sucha great shooter when you put him into a tole player he outshines the star player kd when he played with warriors lebron and kd at olympics where curry droped 60 points in finals and semi finals. So is that a system or just curry being curry. When steph has the ball he dominates when he is on a secondary or third scorer role he dominates. You clearly never watched him. Steph curry is not a system player HE IS THE SYSTEM.
@@OBG11122 I've seen Curry. Doesn't amuse me cause all he does is try to shoot 3s. Steph was nothing until Kerr came along and implemented that system around him and klay.
Also, mentioning a few olympic games does not overshadow his career 41% 6/14 from 3.
You clearly never seen Magic play. Magic controls the game like no other. Magic has more accolades, more reliable, was a triple double machine.
Saying someone is the system proves my point. He can't play unless he is the system. If Korver, Miller, and Allen had the same system put around them, they would've been more successful. They were better shooters without the system.
This the dumbest shit I ever read Kyle korver is no where near Steph in 3pt shooting
@@rylo8266 Kyle Korver had the best 3pt shooting season of all time at 54% with a career 43%.
Steph shot the most 3s. He should be higher than 6/14 FG. Steph has a career 41%. Shooting the most does not make you the best.
Even Steve Kerr has a higher 3pt FG than Steph. With Luke Kennard leading all of them right now.
Steph is only 41% despite taking the most 3s in history. This is why Steph needs a super team to win.
lol
If you think magic is the point god then Michael Jordan is the GOAT,
Wrong ...magic is a lebrin type player 😂😂😂
This is a joke of a debate. Curry hasn’t done enough to pass Magic. Curry definitely top 2 but can’t be #1. Magic is literally better at every statistic other than shooting. How is this even a debate. No player today is the best at any statistic. The only player that is the best at anything would be Curry at shooting beyond the 3 point line. That’s it.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. All magic was good at was passing the ball.
@ you are literally stupid as shit. He played center multiple times throughout his career. What does a center do? They rebound and play defense
Kd took them to 2 rings. Injuries got steph the other one. 1fmvp. Curry got carried
No sir. Stephs biggest weakness is that the man shoots to many damn 3s when he doesn't have to. Remember we are talking about point guard not point/shooting guard. Not to mention Steph is known to have mental relapse in games. Where as Magic never did. Even if stepgs gets 5 you have steph with 5 rings 2 fmvp. Magics had 5 rings with 3 fmvp. The debate goes to Magic. Steph is my favorite player but Magic is ahead of him
Steph curry the goat