I second that opinion. The idea that orcs were specifically designed by their chief deity to have bloodlust hard-wired into their DNA is just such a fascinating one. It really bothers me whenever people try to treat different D&D races as reskinned humans by applying human concepts that their lore clearly indicates shouldn't apply to them.
Yes, definitely. Christ, I'm even in the camp that thinks "always evil" races are kinda boring. But to say that writing a race that way is racist or in some way infradig... yeeeaah, fuck that XD We gotta counter that narrative. If you're telling people what is and isn't acceptable to write, you're a shitarse. End of story.
Well yeah. Quick way to get views is by saying something stupid and having commentator channels talk about it. Starting a small not career ruining controversy. If you handle it well that is But I'm not a youtuber and I have no idea how the UA-cam process works and I just said something stupid. But hey it got your attention didn't it ?
I love Goku Black as a villain. I kind of wish It had been an alternate Goku in the driving seat. That said, I never thought about how having a Saiyan body changed his personality. Like in Pratchett novels, taking something's shape changes you along with it.
I remember in Randy Cunningham they once said “wear a mask long enough and it becomes your face” it’s a bit different but I guess it kinda applies here.
For the orc discourse, my main issue is when people play the "Always Chaotic Evil" trope completely straight. It's okay to have evil cultures and/or societies, but there will always be outliers in said society. There need to be a solid in-universe explanation as for why a race is inherentlying evil (race was artificially created, was corrupted, is a hive-mind, etc.) at least for me. Otherwise the story can slip into some really gross and uncomfortable territory, like "Certain races are inherently pure or evil, so it's okay for our heroes to mass exterminate them, even actual pregnant women and children." You think that last part is an exaggeration, but that was a classic DnD moral dilemma back in the day. Yes really, look it up.
Agreed. I have no issue with some gods being evil and their influence into a race changing the race itself making them evil (The Drow is a pretty good example of this) but even in those cases there are outliers. There are a good god attempting to help the few "weirdoes" that stray from that path. I don't mind drows to be seen as inheriantly evil in the world...because that is what everyone would believe. They have probably never met one of these few outliers and the few outliers that are around are either in hiding or simply killed by their own race because...well...they are outliers. Evil societies and corruptions are great but don't just make them "always evil" punching bags...that is lazy and even more important..really boring...
The route I went in a world I'm working on is they're evil primarily due to the fact their creator god is a visious warmonger who represents the brutality of war. Not to mention the culture that god taught them created a tribal society that respects only strength and power and hates any sort of weakness. Think Spartans but more extreme.
In the current edition of D&D, Orcs, Goblins, Kobolds, Gnolls, and many other inherently evil races are 'artificially created' since they are legitimately made by their respective god.
Another good reason to have “evil races” is inherit culture. Just like the nazi, they believed that genocide and extermination was a good and necessary thing. Of course we know it’s wrong, no questioning that, but young children who was indoctrinated into that belief had no idea that it was wrong and grew up believing they were in the right. Culture is a massive part of society so having fictional society’s have their own respective culture is almost a necessity for world building. Taking that and making it “their culture is founded on violence and stealing” gives a reason as to A. Why their doing it B. Justification to fight against them
@@boneman9751 That...is not at all how the nazies worked my man...The new nazies do but old nazy germany didn't. Most of Germany's population had no idea about the genocide. They had been fed lies about who was to blame but most of the country had no clue about what was actually going on the same way most of the other countries didn't know about the concentration camps. They simply believed what they were told and followed the law...
Fun fact: his English voice actor is the same guy who played the live action Piccolo in the awful Dragon ball Evolution movie. And addition fun fact to that, he was also the one to convince the studio to make him green in the evolution movie, before he was gray skinned until they had them CGI’ed him to be green.
The orcs video as you describe it would be fun… But very much all for the wrong reasons just like your redo healer video. I would prefer you kind of delve into the alignments and questions behind the ORKs of shadow of Mordor, where they can be on both sides but a matter of who is controlling them. They still very obviously have free will by choosing to betray you for Mordor or make other funny stupid decisions like killing their own teammates thinking they’re spies. There are so many more possibilities than “orcs are evil, get over it”
Exactly another example is the orcs who followed Garrosh Hellscream and the ones who Followed Thrall and Voljin in world of Warcraft they are proud warriors who are about honor
The thing about Potara is: Old Kai only said that, of they fuse while Super Saiyan, they may not be able to power down without dying. He didn't say it would be bad in and of itself.
I once was in a Discord server where there was a Project: Zero Mortals event taking root. I added the dark version of myself and he came to Zamasu as a spirit from far below. Although, the event was unfinished. Dark me was like a snake filling Zamasu's ear with everything he wanted to hear. Last time I checked, Zamasu used the super dragon balls to revive "Dark Summoner". And in return, he transformed Zamasu into Goku Black.
honestly, in regards to the orc video - go for it! While I think modern orcs aren't evil anymore, I think the idea of having a pure evil race/species is perfectly fine in fiction - they don't need to have some deep thought provoking reason for why they are evil, sure there may be a couple good eggs, or maybe there are none. - and I am also someone who is perfectly fine with taking inspiration from real world groups through history, like the Mongols, various empires, cultures, radical groups, etc... I don't think it's inherently racist (it CAN be, but that doesn't mean it's always racist), I think you can create tons of new and interesting races and cultures we still haven't seen by further mixing and mashing real world and fictional ideas
I was not expecting this, I would expect the next DragonBall character alignment video to be Goku himself. Never really liked Zamasu or Goku Black, never really thought of them as good villains compared to villains like Cell Buu or even Frieza. But your video can atleast make me tolerate them long enough to watch the video them completely disregard them as good villains. Edit: Possibly my favorite Zamasu scene was when Beerus straight up deleted him from reality, so badass.
Personally as far as the "Orcs are evil" thing goes. I don't think they're innately evil so much as there are a whole bunch of factors that predispose them to being evil. The lifestyle they live is demanded by their creators, be that a Dark Lord or an actual God. That lifestyle breeds a culture that views other races as animals, to be hunted and to take their things. Their creators also make them susceptible to anger, jealousy, or any other negative emotion that might push them to maintain the status quo. Any Orc born in that environment would struggle to break out, making any that do exceptional. Then you get outside forces that react to Orcs and treating them like monsters for doing the things they do, making it even harder to break out of the typical Orc lifestyle. It's a vicious cycle that is incredibly difficult to break.
Actually, Turles was supposed to literally be an evil Goku from a different universe, but they decided it was stupid so they scrapped it but they liked the design so they kept it despite it not making any sense
technically since they are the same person their personalities basically fuse, is the same reason why they can't unfuse properly in the manga version of the arc
The idea of exploring nonhuman biology sounds fun. Also please do the Ork video. I honestly find the "need" for everything to not be evil just dumb but lack the intricacy to word a proper argument other than "zog of ya git! Dere evil! Deal with it!" That aside awsome video man also do the Ork vid for the views! Make that cash money 💰
to be fair, zamasu become some sort of reality entity is cuz he was immortal still but the non-immortal body was destroyed, causing his soul to not be able to pass on since he can't actually die, and zen-oh was able to destroy him because he destroyed the entire multiverse in that timeline, everything besides himself in that timeline was wiped from existence, so that implied that either zen-oh could not fine tune it to just zamasu or the only way around the immortality while merged with the cosmos was to destroy reality
I kinda wish Goku Black was actually an evil alternative version of Goku. The concept is genuinely interesting especially when you consider Goku's defining character trait is his genuine love of Martial Arts and becoming stronger and how you can twist that. Like imagine a Goku that was found by some crime lord or even someone like Master Crane instead of Grandpa Gohan or even simply stayed on Vegeta and joined up with Nappa, Vegeta, Raditz etc and served and eventually overthrew Freeza. He keeps his love of martial arts and want to get stronger solely to improve himself but he has none of Goku's restrictions or his discipline so he will win and get stronger by any means necessary. I think it would be a very interesting character and fits nicely into Dragon Ball's philosophy and themes of martial arts. It could be a pretty literal way of fighting ones inner demons.
Or maybe kakarot is in control that would have been cool because we do know kakarot and goku are technically two distinct people however one no longer exists yet the other does so goku black is kakarot going to different earth’s to gain more power then meets his doppelgänger how would I explain rośe uhhhh corrupted ki idk there’s so many ways to go with the dark evil goku story it’s hard to see how it would work
Dear loading crew I know you'll never do it but I would really be interested in a DnD alignment video on the character Earl from My name is Earl since the whole premise is about changing alignment and asking the question "how much good is enough to counter the evil?"
The Immortality vs. Mortality thing with Zamasu should've worked itself out using Saiyan DNA as the reason, since Saiyans get stronger when they're near death and heal, Fused Zamasu should've kept healing over and over until he got both another power up and regained his full Immortality. At least that's how I would've written it. It's better than the anime ending of the arc we got and also better than the stupid ending Toyotaro spat out in his fanfiction manga.
my biggest issue with the orc curse of Grumsh thing is that it is so under-explored. you have this race that are magically cursed that all of them and all of their descendants crave violence, yet the only way they are ever shown expressing this is raiding. like you live in a world where so many problems are solved by violence and you decide to just be another one of them, a waste. an example of more that could be done is I have a character idea who is basically a gladiator who lets out all that instinctive bloodlust in the ring, as a performer(his fighting group is more modern wrestling than pure blood sport, though they still do use real weapons accidents do sometimes happen[his backstory debut into the fighting group is a match against the fighter who killed his mom in the ring{he knows it was an accident but the savage beast come to fight the hero in a bout of vengeance sells more tickets. until the ringmaster realizes who people are more cheering for and the roles of hero and heal in the fight are swapped}]). so like the removal of the curse is kinda dumb, especially when they could have just tried to do more with it. heck, make them a dark reflection of murder hobos. the horde comes into a town and the local village tries to get them a job far enough away from the town before they give themselves a "job" or get upset about not getting paid. if you have a murder hobo party having a rival party be filled with orcs could be an interesting dynamic and if the rival orc party is more liked than the party because they are less murder hoboy that could be a good wake up call for the party to maybe dial it back(of course generally you should talk to the players before resorting to passive aggressive "even the orcs are better people"ing, but that is a completely separate thing). I'm not even saying most orcs should be good but it's just so much potential that is just ignored.
Honestly, was not expecting you to side with the Orcs are Evil argument. o3o Pleasantly surprised. That being said, I 100% want to hear your reasoning behind it. By the way; here are some fun facts that are interesting about Orcs in DnD which people don't realize. An Orc reaches adult maturity at Age 12 (Reaching the same physical characteristics as a 21 yo human or an 100 yo Elf). They reach middle-aged at 20 Years, and rarely live past 40 Years outside of magical intervention. Btw: 40 Years is the natural life limit of an Orc, NOT the average age from war and disease and stuff like that. Additionally, while not stated in any outright biology of their species, I like to believe that Orcs have a much higher Testosterone chemical balance in their system. This would explain their Orc Ferocity species skill which prevents them from falling unconscious after taking enough damage. Even the Females of the Orc species have higher testosterone levels than a Male of the Human species with their innate ability to suppress falling unconscious when sustaining critical damage. Sorry for going on a tangent about something so trivial on a DBZ Alignment Video of all things, but I hate this whole "Orcs are Racist!" idea when they aren't even the same species.
A series where you explain why dnd species’ biology encourages them down certain paths. an orc who doesn’t want to be evil and desires to be intelligent might do it because of his biology. I dunno. I find the idea really interesting
I did make a orc character and he wasn’t evil neutral at best mostly because well he’s helping robots even though he doesn’t like them not like a racist hate just no technology village and then he’s experiencing robots for the first time
I still can't stand the fact that Gohan was just COMPLETLY forgotten... Seriously, how awesome would it have been if Gohan had been a big part of this whole fight as well? (After he got powered up again, obviously....the fact he was nerfed so heavily still pisses me off...) Goku and vegeta fighting side to side with their two oldest boys. Gohan from another timeline but still with Trunks having this weird yet proud feeling when seeing his master alive and well... They could have done so much cool shit with it...instead it feels like he was just completly forgotten...again...I know he doesn't like fighting but for god sakes he was one of my favorit characters for that reason...they have done him so freaking dirty!
I would be fine with gohan joining the fight as long as he gets beaten up and heals like goku and vegeta first. I wouldn't want them to just use the "gohan potential" card again because it doesn't work anymore Lol 😂
@@Axel_Kasai Ah no I can agree to that. I mean I personally find the fact he became so weak stupid to begin with...but since they did do that they should have gone with a lot of training and maybe even referenced back to the whole "sayians get stronger when near death" thing. They really buthered Gohan's character...
I actually would like an Orcs are Evil video. The main reason should be obvious for why it's fine, but I always enjoyed the many other reasonings that creators make to further cement the point. Especially when it comes to whatever lore they're in, and the fact that what's good for them doesn't necessarily mean good for everything else.
People in general really struggle with putting themselves in someone else's metaphorical shoes. They see non-human ideas such as being predisposed towards a certain alignment and immediately assume it must not be true because that isn't the case for them which completely misses the point of exploring non-human concepts.
@@kylepessell1350 What? People can't imagine stuff that isn't true to their life? Am I the only one of us who lives in a world where fiction is one of the main forms of entertainment? Most people don't watch John Wick and go "But I'm not an assassin, this movie makes no sense!"
I'd honestly like to see you do a video on Orcs, if only to see your opinion. To me, I feel the orcs are less inherently evil as they are inherently challenge hungry - they love a good challenge, be it fighting, invading, concocting new illnesses, you even see it with Warcraft orcs - Gul'dan might not desire challenge as much, but he desires the power to overcome challenges, and between Garrosh, Grommash and even the orcs of the Warcraft Movie you can really see this sort of drive for greater strength and challenge. Incidentally, that challenge does not need to be in battle. Imagine an immensely strong, intimidating orc with a cleaver, skinning and butchering meet in the marketplace before either selling it with big, bombastic declerations or cooking it up such that the smell wafts up and down. That's an orc butcher or chef but it still FEELS like an Orc.
Pretty much this... doesn't help that Orcs in the DnD setting age a little faster than twice the speed of a normal Human so their mental age is about the same as a human child when they're physically an adult. Same reasons why adopted Humans in Elf society have trouble "fitting in" and "misbehaving". I don't believe 'inherently evil' is a good way to describe them, more.... 'naturally inclined to tilt towards evil based on the black-and-white spectrum presented within DnD's setting without outside stimuli to stop them'. (Edit) Kind of like how certain alien species are more predisposed towards the Dark Side of the force rather than the Light Side. It doesn't prevent them from becoming Light Side Jedi, but they will be struggling with their internal nature for the rest of their lives to go against what they feel is 'natural' to do based on biological and sociological traits.
What about Walter White and Jesse Pinkman from Breaking Bad? Their respective journeys would make for a fascinating discussion when it comes to the alignment system
Might be late to the convo, but I'd be down for a "racial alignments aren't bad" type video. I hated that controversy had an effect on WotC to the point they snubbed pretty much all racial traits except special abilities. They don't even give heights or ages anymore.
I think dnd biology videos sounds great although i will say that since goku black and zamasu share a soul and have for the most part same personality i dont think there would really be a dominant personality in his case plus i like the mangas goku black arc better in that the fusion was immortal but didnt become unstable till the time ran out.
The reason why zamasu becomes one with reality at the end is because he wished for imortality he can't die, his body is destroyed in the fusion but the imortal zamasu still lives on and merges with the universe
I'm showing my support and getting the ultimate bundle. that said, might i suggest an "Unleashed Potential" prestige class if it's not already a thing? Fits multiple characters/arcs. Edit: also the Orc video sounds neat.
I think even if they hadn’t fused they probably were gonna end up in the same alignment anyways. As far as the race thing I guess it could be interesting but personally not a fan of evil races because that just seems boring to me and I like a world with a good healthy mix of grey
To me they honestly seem like chaotic evil. They have a vague idea about what they're doing, thinking they're doing it all for an eventually constructive reason, but none of their actions display for this to be the case. They act very chaotically, embracing odd changes in themselves that mutate and break fabric of reality in weird ways, leading to Zamasu becoming a universal force that threatens the entire multiverse. He just embraces that too without any thought given to how that is supposed to lead to rebuilding and formation of a new world. He thinks he is acting in the name of some order, but he is clearly not. He is chaotic evil that believes he is lawful.
10:42 Cop/Soldier: “EAT LEAD, MURDERER!!” Future Trunks(?): “Hold your fire! This man isn’t Black!” I just……That line out of context is kinda funny in a screwed-up way. ….Anyone? Just me? ….’Kay.
I'm currently planning a D&D game in which orcs are a main antagonistic faction, so ideas about orc biology and morality (or lack thereof) would be helpful to me, personally.
This is great, but could you please do a straight up Goku video. I know it would be a monumental task, but I feel like Son Goku is a far more complex and interesting character than most people realize.
Eh, even in DnD, it was shown orcs aren't inherently/biologically evil. In Forgotten Realms/Toril alone were have the Ondonti and Zakharan orcs. The difference being they were separated from standard orc culture. If they were *inherently or *biologically* evil, that would made little to no difference. While Zakharan orcs were averaging about the same as humanity in alignmenent, while Ondonti were mostly, even near universally Lawful Good (sans kids capured by Zhentarim, who grew up to be of evil and neutral alignements).
I have to say that Zamasu or rather Black Goku started really strong but the many, many, many issues with the arc kinds of drag him down. I mean, I love Frieza but Resurrection F was bad for him. He did have some of the best parts of the Tournament of Power. To add some words, complains about the Goku Black's arc. Why does Goky Black has any time he is not fighting our heroes? They have a time machine, why spending a day in the past/present means Goku Black has to wait a day until they return? They could travel the second they retreated to keep fighting without letting him rest. Heck! They could fight him with many versions of Goku and Vegeta! I have others but I will only mention one that has been brought up a lot but it must not be forgotten. Remember the cute little kids? The ones Vegeta gave food? Dead. The entire world Trunks fought so hard to protect? Dead. But hey! Ge got to move to a world where doppelgangers of all those people he failed live.
for most universes i would not said that orcs are evil but mostry chaotic neutral they have a clanic drive for " the strongest is the boss" ( until the next strongest) are pretty violent and impulsive but for me they don't "think" enought to be "evil" they are controled by feelings they want to eat, they eat, tehy want to drink idem and i would not said if they want to F ... they personality is more "i feel like doing that so i try to do it but if the oponent was stronger and even if he kill me that's not important i had done what i wanted! So i would put them a chaotic ( no rules) neutral ( no desire to do good or bad just desire to do whatever they ar feeling to do at present time)!
I am still going to watch but I'm calling it now lawful evil for zamasu and neutral evil Goku black and I'm going to say chaotic evil once they're fused because that's when they just kind of lost it.
in dragon ball the gods of destruction have a huge weakness their life force is connected to their supreme kai. you kill them they will die as well. this is how they got rid of them without fighting them, and If a god of destruction dies, the angel immeditly leaves till a new god of destctuition is assign. this is how zamasu got rid of stronger characters and stopping them from interving with his plan. now with trunk, it noted he has the more advanced form of Sjj2 but the other, thing is that Black is holding back and letting him live on purose as a means to practice with his body. the. the anime also hints that Goku as sjj2 and base black are holding back and could have easily one-shot Trunk if they wanted to at the beginning of the arc. and sayian when facing or fighting along stronger opponents
i don’t like the biological alignment rules because of two things 1. it makes dnd less fun for players, having someone say they want to play a lawful good goblin and then saying “um actually no goblins are inherently chaotic 🤓” is a dick move and sucks the fun out of making characters 2. the idea in itself means that there can be a lot of moral detachment when playing, if orcs, goblins and gnolls are inherently evil and you tell people that then what’s to stop your players from doing unspeakably horrible things to these races cause “they’re bad” even if you don’t think the concept of orcs being evil is racist (which i personally do) you have to at least know that in a GAME sense the concept is bad
@@mshardesty4418 I understand that if you think that's racist you are moron. They're not human and applying human concepts to them is stupid. That's like saying that a fantasy world making all demons or any other monster race evil is racist. Or a scifi having a race of aliens that's all evil being racist. It's simply absurd
Zamasu isn’t and never is Evil, he is Lawful to Chaotic Good. the whole thing is that he is heavily misguided in his beliefs what he is doing is for the greater good as he loves and cares for the universe and deems Mortals as evil, unfit to live as they waste their gift of life and destroy the world and eachothers. another thing in the spin-off games and manga has a character known as devil man who has a pretty strong hax the Devil beam that will destroy person depending how Evil the person, this dose crazy damage to people like Freiza and insane damage to people like Buu and Janemba who are people made of evil. If done to Zamasu it will do nothing as he has is pure heart of good.
I would love to see a series explaining the biology of different dnd races. So please do the orc video.
Me and my players are very confused about Kenku biology, so that would be usefull.
Yes!
I second that opinion. The idea that orcs were specifically designed by their chief deity to have bloodlust hard-wired into their DNA is just such a fascinating one. It really bothers me whenever people try to treat different D&D races as reskinned humans by applying human concepts that their lore clearly indicates shouldn't apply to them.
Second the motion.
@@starhalv2427 I'd like to see a Kenku video. Not sure about an Orc one.
Should I "Stir the Pot" and make an "Orcs are Evil" Video? explain why in the response to this please!! I eagerly await your suggestions!
Yes, definitely. Christ, I'm even in the camp that thinks "always evil" races are kinda boring. But to say that writing a race that way is racist or in some way infradig... yeeeaah, fuck that XD
We gotta counter that narrative. If you're telling people what is and isn't acceptable to write, you're a shitarse. End of story.
As long as you don't compare them to black people, because that's racist
Well yeah. Quick way to get views is by saying something stupid and having commentator channels talk about it. Starting a small not career ruining controversy. If you handle it well that is
But I'm not a youtuber and I have no idea how the UA-cam process works and I just said something stupid. But hey it got your attention didn't it ?
I think it would be interesting. I personally don’t think they are.
I think more than stir the pot, add some hot sauce
10:43 "Hold your fire! This man isn't Black" - did not expect this level of societal commentary =P
I love Goku Black as a villain. I kind of wish It had been an alternate Goku in the driving seat. That said, I never thought about how having a Saiyan body changed his personality. Like in Pratchett novels, taking something's shape changes you along with it.
I remember in Randy Cunningham they once said “wear a mask long enough and it becomes your face” it’s a bit different but I guess it kinda applies here.
SDBH pushes more on that subject showing that Goku Black is obsessed with Goku’s power and strength even more then his Zero Mortal Plan
@@ginyuraiyuden1104didn’t he make his own super saiyan rośe 3 I know the cannon name but c’mon on that’s literally rośe 3
For the orc discourse, my main issue is when people play the "Always Chaotic Evil" trope completely straight. It's okay to have evil cultures and/or societies, but there will always be outliers in said society.
There need to be a solid in-universe explanation as for why a race is inherentlying evil (race was artificially created, was corrupted, is a hive-mind, etc.) at least for me. Otherwise the story can slip into some really gross and uncomfortable territory, like "Certain races are inherently pure or evil, so it's okay for our heroes to mass exterminate them, even actual pregnant women and children."
You think that last part is an exaggeration, but that was a classic DnD moral dilemma back in the day. Yes really, look it up.
Agreed.
I have no issue with some gods being evil and their influence into a race changing the race itself making them evil (The Drow is a pretty good example of this) but even in those cases there are outliers. There are a good god attempting to help the few "weirdoes" that stray from that path.
I don't mind drows to be seen as inheriantly evil in the world...because that is what everyone would believe. They have probably never met one of these few outliers and the few outliers that are around are either in hiding or simply killed by their own race because...well...they are outliers.
Evil societies and corruptions are great but don't just make them "always evil" punching bags...that is lazy and even more important..really boring...
The route I went in a world I'm working on is they're evil primarily due to the fact their creator god is a visious warmonger who represents the brutality of war. Not to mention the culture that god taught them created a tribal society that respects only strength and power and hates any sort of weakness. Think Spartans but more extreme.
In the current edition of D&D, Orcs, Goblins, Kobolds, Gnolls, and many other inherently evil races are 'artificially created' since they are legitimately made by their respective god.
Another good reason to have “evil races” is inherit culture. Just like the nazi, they believed that genocide and extermination was a good and necessary thing. Of course we know it’s wrong, no questioning that, but young children who was indoctrinated into that belief had no idea that it was wrong and grew up believing they were in the right. Culture is a massive part of society so having fictional society’s have their own respective culture is almost a necessity for world building. Taking that and making it “their culture is founded on violence and stealing” gives a reason as to A. Why their doing it B. Justification to fight against them
@@boneman9751 That...is not at all how the nazies worked my man...The new nazies do but old nazy germany didn't.
Most of Germany's population had no idea about the genocide. They had been fed lies about who was to blame but most of the country had no clue about what was actually going on the same way most of the other countries didn't know about the concentration camps.
They simply believed what they were told and followed the law...
if you do the "Orcs are evil", please do a D&D alignment on Gul'dan, Garrosh Hellscream, and Thrall from the Warcraft series.
To be fair, if I had a voice like Zamasu then I would want to hear myself talk. He has a great voice.
Fun fact: his English voice actor is the same guy who played the live action Piccolo in the awful Dragon ball Evolution movie. And addition fun fact to that, he was also the one to convince the studio to make him green in the evolution movie, before he was gray skinned until they had them CGI’ed him to be green.
@@brandonlyon730 that va now has more respect from me
The orcs video as you describe it would be fun… But very much all for the wrong reasons just like your redo healer video. I would prefer you kind of delve into the alignments and questions behind the ORKs of shadow of Mordor, where they can be on both sides but a matter of who is controlling them. They still very obviously have free will by choosing to betray you for Mordor or make other funny stupid decisions like killing their own teammates thinking they’re spies.
There are so many more possibilities than “orcs are evil, get over it”
Exactly another example is the orcs who followed Garrosh Hellscream and the ones who Followed Thrall and Voljin in world of Warcraft they are proud warriors who are about honor
The thing about Potara is:
Old Kai only said that, of they fuse while Super Saiyan, they may not be able to power down without dying. He didn't say it would be bad in and of itself.
I once was in a Discord server where there was a Project: Zero Mortals event taking root. I added the dark version of myself and he came to Zamasu as a spirit from far below. Although, the event was unfinished. Dark me was like a snake filling Zamasu's ear with everything he wanted to hear. Last time I checked, Zamasu used the super dragon balls to revive "Dark Summoner". And in return, he transformed Zamasu into Goku Black.
Oh my, I was not expecting this one. I like the concept of Goku black in general. Am loving the recent ones have been doing.
honestly, in regards to the orc video - go for it! While I think modern orcs aren't evil anymore, I think the idea of having a pure evil race/species is perfectly fine in fiction - they don't need to have some deep thought provoking reason for why they are evil, sure there may be a couple good eggs, or maybe there are none. - and I am also someone who is perfectly fine with taking inspiration from real world groups through history, like the Mongols, various empires, cultures, radical groups, etc... I don't think it's inherently racist (it CAN be, but that doesn't mean it's always racist), I think you can create tons of new and interesting races and cultures we still haven't seen by further mixing and mashing real world and fictional ideas
Excellent use of the Army of Darkness audio.
The saddest thing for Future Bulma is her last moments is being murdered by her best friend in front of her son.
I was not expecting this, I would expect the next DragonBall character alignment video to be Goku himself. Never really liked Zamasu or Goku Black, never really thought of them as good villains compared to villains like Cell Buu or even Frieza. But your video can atleast make me tolerate them long enough to watch the video them completely disregard them as good villains.
Edit: Possibly my favorite Zamasu scene was when Beerus straight up deleted him from reality, so badass.
completely agree Zamasu shouldn't have been a threat and goku black didn't make much sense.
Yeah, I didn't like Goku Black/Zamasu, and the arc dragged way too long and had an unsatisfying ending.
I’m surprised that a flowchart was needed. It was very straightforward.
Personally as far as the "Orcs are evil" thing goes. I don't think they're innately evil so much as there are a whole bunch of factors that predispose them to being evil. The lifestyle they live is demanded by their creators, be that a Dark Lord or an actual God. That lifestyle breeds a culture that views other races as animals, to be hunted and to take their things. Their creators also make them susceptible to anger, jealousy, or any other negative emotion that might push them to maintain the status quo. Any Orc born in that environment would struggle to break out, making any that do exceptional. Then you get outside forces that react to Orcs and treating them like monsters for doing the things they do, making it even harder to break out of the typical Orc lifestyle. It's a vicious cycle that is incredibly difficult to break.
zamasu, is basically self-righteousness and ego personified
Actually, Turles was supposed to literally be an evil Goku from a different universe, but they decided it was stupid so they scrapped it but they liked the design so they kept it despite it not making any sense
technically since they are the same person their personalities basically fuse, is the same reason why they can't unfuse properly in the manga version of the arc
Goku Black is basically the highest snob you can think of, and needed to be brought down MANY pegs lel
sure WoW would be interesting to listen to
The idea of exploring nonhuman biology sounds fun. Also please do the Ork video. I honestly find the "need" for everything to not be evil just dumb but lack the intricacy to word a proper argument other than "zog of ya git! Dere evil! Deal with it!" That aside awsome video man also do the Ork vid for the views! Make that cash money 💰
When you played the "It's over Trunks" clip my brain followed up with "I have the high ground"
to be fair, zamasu become some sort of reality entity is cuz he was immortal still but the non-immortal body was destroyed, causing his soul to not be able to pass on since he can't actually die, and zen-oh was able to destroy him because he destroyed the entire multiverse in that timeline, everything besides himself in that timeline was wiped from existence, so that implied that either zen-oh could not fine tune it to just zamasu or the only way around the immortality while merged with the cosmos was to destroy reality
This is all really great, zamasu was a good villian, the ending was a bit weird though.
Also asking again about wakfu alignments
I would love to get your take on the Orc “controversy.” And in fact, if you started a series on D&D Races I would watch the shit out of it.
Jesus, the “don’t shoot, he’s not black” really caught me off guard
I kinda wish Goku Black was actually an evil alternative version of Goku. The concept is genuinely interesting especially when you consider Goku's defining character trait is his genuine love of Martial Arts and becoming stronger and how you can twist that. Like imagine a Goku that was found by some crime lord or even someone like Master Crane instead of Grandpa Gohan or even simply stayed on Vegeta and joined up with Nappa, Vegeta, Raditz etc and served and eventually overthrew Freeza. He keeps his love of martial arts and want to get stronger solely to improve himself but he has none of Goku's restrictions or his discipline so he will win and get stronger by any means necessary. I think it would be a very interesting character and fits nicely into Dragon Ball's philosophy and themes of martial arts. It could be a pretty literal way of fighting ones inner demons.
Or maybe kakarot is in control that would have been cool because we do know kakarot and goku are technically two distinct people however one no longer exists yet the other does so goku black is kakarot going to different earth’s to gain more power then meets his doppelgänger how would I explain rośe uhhhh corrupted ki idk there’s so many ways to go with the dark evil goku story it’s hard to see how it would work
I can't believe that the "this man isn't black" scene isn't a nat 20!
I would love to see literally any video of yours
Hell yeah! Biology in fantasy, sounds a nerd heaven! Do the "Orcs are evil, get over it." video and so much more please!
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I know you'll never do it but I would really be interested in a DnD alignment video on the character Earl from My name is Earl since the whole premise is about changing alignment and asking the question "how much good is enough to counter the evil?"
Great video. Goku Black is a really fun villain for DB Super and I’m curious to see what else you have in the pipeline
The Immortality vs. Mortality thing with Zamasu should've worked itself out using Saiyan DNA as the reason, since Saiyans get stronger when they're near death and heal, Fused Zamasu should've kept healing over and over until he got both another power up and regained his full Immortality. At least that's how I would've written it. It's better than the anime ending of the arc we got and also better than the stupid ending Toyotaro spat out in his fanfiction manga.
my biggest issue with the orc curse of Grumsh thing is that it is so under-explored.
you have this race that are magically cursed that all of them and all of their descendants crave violence, yet the only way they are ever shown expressing this is raiding. like you live in a world where so many problems are solved by violence and you decide to just be another one of them, a waste.
an example of more that could be done is I have a character idea who is basically a gladiator who lets out all that instinctive bloodlust in the ring, as a performer(his fighting group is more modern wrestling than pure blood sport, though they still do use real weapons accidents do sometimes happen[his backstory debut into the fighting group is a match against the fighter who killed his mom in the ring{he knows it was an accident but the savage beast come to fight the hero in a bout of vengeance sells more tickets. until the ringmaster realizes who people are more cheering for and the roles of hero and heal in the fight are swapped}]). so like the removal of the curse is kinda dumb, especially when they could have just tried to do more with it.
heck, make them a dark reflection of murder hobos. the horde comes into a town and the local village tries to get them a job far enough away from the town before they give themselves a "job" or get upset about not getting paid. if you have a murder hobo party having a rival party be filled with orcs could be an interesting dynamic and if the rival orc party is more liked than the party because they are less murder hoboy that could be a good wake up call for the party to maybe dial it back(of course generally you should talk to the players before resorting to passive aggressive "even the orcs are better people"ing, but that is a completely separate thing).
I'm not even saying most orcs should be good but it's just so much potential that is just ignored.
I’d liked to hear about the whole Orcs are evil thing. Sounds fun.
is funny cuz basically this is just one character, but one version is being influenced by the genetics of a saiyan
Oh Snap! We got another one! Can we get a sustained pic of the wheel in the corner after analyzing it?
Honestly, was not expecting you to side with the Orcs are Evil argument. o3o Pleasantly surprised. That being said, I 100% want to hear your reasoning behind it.
By the way; here are some fun facts that are interesting about Orcs in DnD which people don't realize. An Orc reaches adult maturity at Age 12 (Reaching the same physical characteristics as a 21 yo human or an 100 yo Elf). They reach middle-aged at 20 Years, and rarely live past 40 Years outside of magical intervention. Btw: 40 Years is the natural life limit of an Orc, NOT the average age from war and disease and stuff like that. Additionally, while not stated in any outright biology of their species, I like to believe that Orcs have a much higher Testosterone chemical balance in their system. This would explain their Orc Ferocity species skill which prevents them from falling unconscious after taking enough damage. Even the Females of the Orc species have higher testosterone levels than a Male of the Human species with their innate ability to suppress falling unconscious when sustaining critical damage.
Sorry for going on a tangent about something so trivial on a DBZ Alignment Video of all things, but I hate this whole "Orcs are Racist!" idea when they aren't even the same species.
A series where you explain why dnd species’ biology encourages them down certain paths. an orc who doesn’t want to be evil and desires to be intelligent might do it because of his biology. I dunno. I find the idea really interesting
I did make a orc character and he wasn’t evil neutral at best mostly because well he’s helping robots even though he doesn’t like them not like a racist hate just no technology village and then he’s experiencing robots for the first time
thank God I watched this one on twitch and I'm watching again on UA-cam
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Title idea for the DnD Orcs video :
Thank Gruumsh, YES ! Orcs are EVIL and we LOVE it! (D&D Race alignement)
Wooooo, these videos always make my week better
I still can't stand the fact that Gohan was just COMPLETLY forgotten...
Seriously, how awesome would it have been if Gohan had been a big part of this whole fight as well? (After he got powered up again, obviously....the fact he was nerfed so heavily still pisses me off...)
Goku and vegeta fighting side to side with their two oldest boys. Gohan from another timeline but still with Trunks having this weird yet proud feeling when seeing his master alive and well...
They could have done so much cool shit with it...instead it feels like he was just completly forgotten...again...I know he doesn't like fighting but for god sakes he was one of my favorit characters for that reason...they have done him so freaking dirty!
I would be fine with gohan joining the fight as long as he gets beaten up and heals like goku and vegeta first. I wouldn't want them to just use the "gohan potential" card again because it doesn't work anymore Lol 😂
@@Axel_Kasai Ah no I can agree to that.
I mean I personally find the fact he became so weak stupid to begin with...but since they did do that they should have gone with a lot of training and maybe even referenced back to the whole "sayians get stronger when near death" thing.
They really buthered Gohan's character...
If you do an 'orcs are evil' video, the logical follow up must be Drow.
I actually would like an Orcs are Evil video. The main reason should be obvious for why it's fine, but I always enjoyed the many other reasonings that creators make to further cement the point. Especially when it comes to whatever lore they're in, and the fact that what's good for them doesn't necessarily mean good for everything else.
People in general really struggle with putting themselves in someone else's metaphorical shoes. They see non-human ideas such as being predisposed towards a certain alignment and immediately assume it must not be true because that isn't the case for them which completely misses the point of exploring non-human concepts.
@@kylepessell1350 What? People can't imagine stuff that isn't true to their life? Am I the only one of us who lives in a world where fiction is one of the main forms of entertainment? Most people don't watch John Wick and go "But I'm not an assassin, this movie makes no sense!"
I really want to see you cover Raiden and Solid Snake
I vote for your orc video. They seem to have became more battle hungry then evil, like the Saiyans
I would love that orc vid
I'd honestly like to see you do a video on Orcs, if only to see your opinion. To me, I feel the orcs are less inherently evil as they are inherently challenge hungry - they love a good challenge, be it fighting, invading, concocting new illnesses, you even see it with Warcraft orcs - Gul'dan might not desire challenge as much, but he desires the power to overcome challenges, and between Garrosh, Grommash and even the orcs of the Warcraft Movie you can really see this sort of drive for greater strength and challenge.
Incidentally, that challenge does not need to be in battle. Imagine an immensely strong, intimidating orc with a cleaver, skinning and butchering meet in the marketplace before either selling it with big, bombastic declerations or cooking it up such that the smell wafts up and down. That's an orc butcher or chef but it still FEELS like an Orc.
Pretty much this... doesn't help that Orcs in the DnD setting age a little faster than twice the speed of a normal Human so their mental age is about the same as a human child when they're physically an adult. Same reasons why adopted Humans in Elf society have trouble "fitting in" and "misbehaving". I don't believe 'inherently evil' is a good way to describe them, more.... 'naturally inclined to tilt towards evil based on the black-and-white spectrum presented within DnD's setting without outside stimuli to stop them'.
(Edit) Kind of like how certain alien species are more predisposed towards the Dark Side of the force rather than the Light Side. It doesn't prevent them from becoming Light Side Jedi, but they will be struggling with their internal nature for the rest of their lives to go against what they feel is 'natural' to do based on biological and sociological traits.
not one for dbz but this was a fun video thank you
7:16 OH MY GOODNESS THIS ONE HAS RANCH IN IT! Did you make all the images Masakox uses in his Thumbnails?
What about Walter White and Jesse Pinkman from Breaking Bad? Their respective journeys would make for a fascinating discussion when it comes to the alignment system
R&R LOVE IT great video
Might be late to the convo, but I'd be down for a "racial alignments aren't bad" type video. I hated that controversy had an effect on WotC to the point they snubbed pretty much all racial traits except special abilities. They don't even give heights or ages anymore.
Imagine in a playthrough as a saiyan your able to turn into a Super Saiyan 4 God. That would be awesome.
I would love to see a orcs are evil video.
I think dnd biology videos sounds great although i will say that since goku black and zamasu share a soul and have for the most part same personality i dont think there would really be a dominant personality in his case plus i like the mangas goku black arc better in that the fusion was immortal but didnt become unstable till the time ran out.
I really enjoyed this
The reason why zamasu becomes one with reality at the end is because he wished for imortality he can't die, his body is destroyed in the fusion but the imortal zamasu still lives on and merges with the universe
I'm showing my support and getting the ultimate bundle. that said, might i suggest an "Unleashed Potential" prestige class if it's not already a thing? Fits multiple characters/arcs.
Edit: also the Orc video sounds neat.
I think even if they hadn’t fused they probably were gonna end up in the same alignment anyways. As far as the race thing I guess it could be interesting but personally not a fan of evil races because that just seems boring to me and I like a world with a good healthy mix of grey
Do Nox from Wakfu. You'll be glad you did.
To me they honestly seem like chaotic evil. They have a vague idea about what they're doing, thinking they're doing it all for an eventually constructive reason, but none of their actions display for this to be the case. They act very chaotically, embracing odd changes in themselves that mutate and break fabric of reality in weird ways, leading to Zamasu becoming a universal force that threatens the entire multiverse. He just embraces that too without any thought given to how that is supposed to lead to rebuilding and formation of a new world. He thinks he is acting in the name of some order, but he is clearly not. He is chaotic evil that believes he is lawful.
Damn, I already bought the bundle last year... But if you insist, I'll just post a link to it on discords for others to buy.
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Cop/Soldier: “EAT LEAD, MURDERER!!”
Future Trunks(?): “Hold your fire! This man isn’t Black!”
I just……That line out of context is kinda funny in a screwed-up way.
….Anyone? Just me? ….’Kay.
No, not just you.
In the immortal words of Darth Sidious.. 'Do It'
I'm currently planning a D&D game in which orcs are a main antagonistic faction, so ideas about orc biology and morality (or lack thereof) would be helpful to me, personally.
This is great, but could you please do a straight up Goku video. I know it would be a monumental task, but I feel like Son Goku is a far more complex and interesting character than most people realize.
Do it! Make that orc video, man! I want to see it! Controversy be damned!
Eh, even in DnD, it was shown orcs aren't inherently/biologically evil. In Forgotten Realms/Toril alone were have the Ondonti and Zakharan orcs. The difference being they were separated from standard orc culture. If they were *inherently or *biologically* evil, that would made little to no difference. While Zakharan orcs were averaging about the same as humanity in alignmenent, while Ondonti were mostly, even near universally Lawful Good (sans kids capured by Zhentarim, who grew up to be of evil and neutral alignements).
I have to say that Zamasu or rather Black Goku started really strong but the many, many, many issues with the arc kinds of drag him down.
I mean, I love Frieza but Resurrection F was bad for him. He did have some of the best parts of the Tournament of Power.
To add some words, complains about the Goku Black's arc.
Why does Goky Black has any time he is not fighting our heroes? They have a time machine, why spending a day in the past/present means Goku Black has to wait a day until they return? They could travel the second they retreated to keep fighting without letting him rest. Heck! They could fight him with many versions of Goku and Vegeta!
I have others but I will only mention one that has been brought up a lot but it must not be forgotten.
Remember the cute little kids? The ones Vegeta gave food? Dead.
The entire world Trunks fought so hard to protect? Dead.
But hey! Ge got to move to a world where doppelgangers of all those people he failed live.
for most universes i would not said that orcs are evil but mostry chaotic neutral they have a clanic drive for " the strongest is the boss" ( until the next strongest) are pretty violent and impulsive but for me they don't "think" enought to be "evil" they are controled by feelings they want to eat, they eat, tehy want to drink idem and i would not said if they want to F ... they personality is more "i feel like doing that so i try to do it but if the oponent was stronger and even if he kill me that's not important i had done what i wanted! So i would put them a chaotic ( no rules) neutral ( no desire to do good or bad just desire to do whatever they ar feeling to do at present time)!
wonderful video
Those pictures are from what if raditz became good.
I am still going to watch but I'm calling it now lawful evil for zamasu and neutral evil Goku black and I'm going to say chaotic evil once they're fused because that's when they just kind of lost it.
Sure make a video o orks i like that idea
Do the Orc video, please, I am begging you!
This (11:20) is the bootstrap paradox, not the grandfather paradox.
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I enjoyed all your "controversial" videos thus far. Let's see another!
Do a Sauron's dnd alignment
You should make BOTH SSG AND SS4 expansions
Ah yes mortal, you have shown your worth, but the biggest mistake was me not getting immortality or the fusion.
Yes.
Ah yes. My favorite female Stardew Valley characters: Goku Black and Zamasu.
Girls are next week
@@TheLoadingCrew Gotcha. I just thought it was funny.
Can we play as Goku Black in DNA?
In DND, is there a magic sword that comes out of the user's hand like that?
Not a fan of these two, but can of yours so definitely watching all the way through.
Yes. Orcs are evil video please
I would like to see it.
Yes
*in Pallatines voice* Do it!
I’d watch an orca are evil video
Stir that Pot!
Please do the orc video
Super Saiyan 4 PLZ I NEED IT!!!!!
How the hell could Black and Zamasu kill every god,most probably at once, but cant kill a SSJ2 Trunks
trunks is still really strong. it's implied he's at least perfect cell strength who could kill dabura, a figure the kais said is a godly level threat
in dragon ball the gods of destruction have a huge weakness their life force is connected to their supreme kai. you kill them they will die as well. this is how they got rid of them without fighting them, and If a god of destruction dies, the angel immeditly leaves till a new god of destctuition is assign. this is how zamasu got rid of stronger characters and stopping them from interving with his plan.
now with trunk, it noted he has the more advanced form of Sjj2 but the other, thing is that Black is holding back and letting him live on purose as a means to practice with his body. the. the anime also hints that Goku as sjj2 and base black are holding back and could have easily one-shot Trunk if they wanted to at the beginning of the arc. and sayian when facing or fighting along stronger opponents
Do GT Goku!
Do the orc video, please.
i don’t like the biological alignment rules because of two things
1. it makes dnd less fun for players, having someone say they want to play a lawful good goblin and then saying “um actually no goblins are inherently chaotic 🤓” is a dick move and sucks the fun out of making characters
2. the idea in itself means that there can be a lot of moral detachment when playing, if orcs, goblins and gnolls are inherently evil and you tell people that then what’s to stop your players from doing unspeakably horrible things to these races cause “they’re bad”
even if you don’t think the concept of orcs being evil is racist (which i personally do) you have to at least know that in a GAME sense the concept is bad
In that case what's the point of them making lore at all? They should just released the stats and be done with it by your logic.
Also If you think Orcs being evil is racist you're stupid end of discussion
@@whocares6757 do u seriously not get how saying that an entire race are savages and all evil could be construed as racist
@@whocares6757 also dnd is a game, the lore should be supplementary not integral
@@mshardesty4418 I understand that if you think that's racist you are moron. They're not human and applying human concepts to them is stupid. That's like saying that a fantasy world making all demons or any other monster race evil is racist.
Or a scifi having a race of aliens that's all evil being racist. It's simply absurd
Zamasu isn’t and never is Evil, he is Lawful to Chaotic Good. the whole thing is that he is heavily misguided in his beliefs what he is doing is for the greater good as he loves and cares for the universe and deems Mortals as evil, unfit to live as they waste their gift of life and destroy the world and eachothers. another thing in the spin-off games and manga has a character known as devil man who has a pretty strong hax the Devil beam that will destroy person depending how Evil the person, this dose crazy damage to people like Freiza and insane damage to people like Buu and Janemba who are people made of evil. If done to Zamasu it will do nothing as he has is pure heart of good.