M340i & M440i are getting the Gen 3 B58 THIS YEAR!...But should you get it?
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2024
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Judging from the BurgerMotorsports JB4 results with their 740i car- I say ABSOLUTELY.. Massive potential with the Gen3
What about dealing with the reliability issues with the changes made to the cylinder head which is already a problem for low mileage non tuned cars ? Hopefully a solution comes up then it would make sense to then tune it.
Yep I'd wait at least a year
Great information!
Just a quick question.You seem very knowledgeable with this new B58 TU2 engine.I was looking at the Canadian MY25 M440i Coupe ordering guide and noticed that it lists this info for the exhaust system in the car,
1D1 Exhaust technology SULEV30
5AL Active Protection
PMTECHN.
The first numbers 1D1 is the standard feature code.When i did a google search it lists this as being some kind of particulate filter.Are you able to confirm that the new B58 TU2 engine in the US and Canada has a particulate filter in the exhaust like European BMW’s have had for many years now?All of the reviews i have read have said that it ruins the sound of the exhaust and results in a loss of hp.
I might just order the current MY24 M340i now because i don’t want to have a car with a crappy sounding exhaust.What is your opinion of the exhaust sound in the X5 and X7 with this engine?
Thanks tor the review.
any info about the M58 motor designation? I thought that was what the gen 3 would be renamed to
Have you seen 1stockf30’s new build. If so, thoughts?
My brother got this car last February 2023. A 2023 m340 X drive he built. Has port injection stock from the factory. Etc. we shall be doing a build soon enough. Warranty is why he didn’t wanna bother with it.
It does not come with port injection
Port injection sounds interesting, wanting to put that on our S58 along side the direct injection for more power and eliminate direct injector faults that may happen .
Diagram in the video shows them piped up to the HP pump though???
Would have thought port injection would have been a separate low pressure feed .
fuel feed splits to PI and DI
@@kern417 👍 looks like a reliable cost effective mod to 750bhp for us . Rather than the over priced add on aftermarket stuff.
Helps keep the inlet ports and valves clean, aids cooling and reduces the effect of a dodgy HP injector melting a piston.
Yep. At most swap to slightly bigger injectors and send it
hey kern can you make a video on x delete for gen 1 b58s heard it’s faster on roll races and doing donuts which is what i want
It can be but just know you’ll prob need a bigger tire in the back and idk how the car would like that considering it’s xdrive
Having xDrive then doing x delete for a roll race still puts you at a weight disadvantage. RWD versions weigh less but have less traction from a launch. AWD only has the advantage from the line so it makes no sense to try and roll race with x delete unless you have probably 200hp more than the RWD version you're racing.
Yes. I talked about it in my Livestream but I'll try to make a dedicated video
thats crazy!!! This 3rd generation of b58's is catching up to s55's stage 2 93 octane power.... I GUESS i should accept it since its 2024, and it has been 10 years since the s55 was released in 2014.
The cylinder head itself isn't the issue, it's the exhaust side adjustable rocker arms. There is currently a recall for a roughly 3 month window of early 2023-produced vehicles. Shouldn't be an issue for those later production dates since they fixed it from factory now.
They also changed both VANOS phasers, now going from oil pressure controlled to fully electronically controlled with near-infinite positions. Different actuators for those as well and extremely difficult to access them, at least on the X7s.
But some other cons to note on the Gen 3 is the use of 0W-12 oil, and the change to ignition coils being individually registered in the DME to their corresponding cylinders (goodbye swapping coils to diagnose misfires). Overall a good upgrade but definitely added complexity as well.
Well that's disappointing. I know about the ignition coils but I thought it was just more intelligent to make it easier to diagnose individual cylinder issues. I didn't realize it was literally registered to each cylinder.
@@kern417 Yeah unfortunately so, it's the same concept as registering injectors. BMW does mention the coils should last longer due to the new heatsink design but only time will tell 🤞
Thanks for the info. Do you know how the adjustable rocker arms work on the exh side? Is it dual stage or does it manipulate just one or both exh valves? The initial BMW press release from a couple of years ago had some confusing language but it seemed like BMW was implying that they added valvetronic to the exh side for the Gen 3. Judging from the pics in this video it looks to be something else but it's difficult to see the mechanism and how it works.
@@DylanTLawson it's a similar concept to valavetronic, but instead of being actuated via worm gear from a servomotor, there is a new dual solenoid/module on the front of cylinder head/valve cover where the exhaust cam is, and these solenoids actuate two long flattened rods (sitting in a small channel along the exh side of cyl head) with springs on the end of each one. The new rocker arms have small spring-tensioned pins on them which are moved forward or back with the flattened rods via the solenoids. The main function of the adjustable rocker arms, from what I am seeing from the description on the dealer's most recent version of ISTA, is to add exhaust-braking capabilities to the B58.
@@NotGunzook thanks, greatly appreciate your taking the time to explain this.
B58 all over the UA-cam people highly recommended by watching them what do you think about 2023 540i Xdrive is it still a good reliable engine or should I back up from dealer I have to pick up the car this week on Tuesday ? Thanks
It's a good engine
What year 340i has the b58? I’m completely new to bmw’s. Always wanted to own was just worried about reliability issues mainly.
2017
Hey @kern417 I’m looking at my dealership in Colorado and they have 1 2024 m440i I’m new to this b58 platform I currently own a 2018 340i. Just to make sure I can’t find it on google but the 2024 m440i has the 3rd gen b58 right?
no it is gen 2
What is the work around in event that the DME FIRMWARE updates on unlocked ECUs wipe the tune off, reset to factory tune or shutdown the car entirely ?
It needs to manually be updated, I can't see how it will wipe it if you choose to just not update it.
Then you need to get it unlocked again. Nothing has changed regarding that. That's why tuners recommend turning off OTA updates or going to dealers for software updates.
I traded my F32 440xi for a G42 M240xi. I'm happy with it and the Gen 2 B58 is more than enough for me, since I don't really plan on tunning.
Cheers man. I picked up my '23 M240i xd about 3 months ago. Already has over 10,000 miles on it. Immediately went on a coast-to-coast-to-coast road trip. Pikes peak, Khyv peak, yellowstone, mt rushmore, everything. The gen 2 is WAY more than enough for everyone.
This dual port stuff will have it's place in about 5 years I'm sure, but for now, I'm still trying not to vomit when I floor my gen2. lol
You have no idea how amazing a simple downpipe and stage 2 tune can do to that car, very cheap to do and turns the car into an absolute ripper, but would understand if you want to keep factory warranty.
@@xPyro_G42
Crispy audio with that mic 👌
Also...they are goong back to the 2port design? The 6 port can make up to 100 hp more apples for apples compared to the 2port (or something like that according to Mike Botti)
B58B30M1 has been using 2-post this whole time - only the O1 retained the 6-port head. BMW likely wants to consolidate all production to 2-port for emissions and simplicity, and because they've essentially equalled the O1's output with the 2-port design, they have little reason to keep making a 6-port version.
It's not about power for the oems. Most are moving to integrated exhaust manifods because it's more efficient and less emissions.
@@kern417 but less.tuner friendly for modifications and/or upgrades
@@hg1496 yes it flows less
Gen 2 B58 FTW!!!
I know this is b58 talk but for the 19 g20 330i b46 what tuning would you recommend? Just to make a little more power and enjoy it as a daily. Is it even worth it?
If you want more power, sure. It has all the same options as B58
@@kern417 what tuning option or tuner would you recommend? Bootmod?
I use mhd on both of my cars and it works great
Apologies if this has been asked before, but has anyone found the "technical training" PDF for the TU2? All I can find is the Gen 1 and Gen 2/TU.
Nope not available unfortunately
Kinda glad I just picked up a 24 m340i
Seems like Gen2 B58 is the most well rounded revision
best durability has Gen1, but Gen2 is more efficient
@@panfistach9618nah
@@panfistach9618no
@@panfistach9618 What makes the Gen 1 have better reliability?
Do you think there's a possibility that guys might start using the gen 3 oem manifold and port injection system on gen 2 cars as an alternative to aftermarket solutions
Had this exact thought on my mind. I wonder if this might actually be a viable option!
You can get something like the Dorch DS25-350 on the Gen2 and be good for 6-720whp. Easy install. You can use it even with OTS tunes like from BM3. I use it with the e50 tune.
I don't think so. It will require at a minimum adapters for the coolant lines, but also fuel lines for the port injection and you'll still need a reflex to control it.
Any word on this going into the Supra as well?
Not a chance. The Supra is coming to end at the end of this year anyways.
Are you ever going to jump to the S58 platform?
I hope so, I need these videos but but for the s58
After 340 is gone we'll see what happens. I have at least one more season in this car to meet some goals
@kern417
Do you know if there is also a new TU2 HPFP, which we can use for the gen1?
If there is port, they will not need to update HPFP
@@n0t_fast
You‘re right, but hope dies last :-) I‘m in general wondering why BMW developed/installed PI for the Gen3, but didn‘t increase the horsepower. So for what reason did they switch to PI?
@@gwspom increased efficiency. The Gen 3 B58's main purpose is to meet stricter EU emissions standards
@@gwspom efficiency = ecology, in the Europe they have way more aggressive rules about ecology.
@@gwspom for examlple golf r 7.5 in Europe have DI and PI, in USA just DI
Doesn't the gen 3 Dyno stock in the same range as the gen 2? So is it really any less power?
What i didn't know at the time is the hybrid system fills in the gap. The engine makes less power but the drivetrain adds power back in.
KERN UPLOAD (IM JUMPING UP AND DOWN)
What version of the B58 does the 2023 A91 Supra 6MT have in it?
gen 2
It makes absolutely no sense for BMW to lock their DME and make it extremely hard for enthusiasts to mod their cars. They are literally stabbing their hardcore fanbase in the back, in the area where we all thought bmw stood for and understood as why we grown to love the brand.
If you have competing companies with similar technology and regulatory requirements that need to be met then it absolutely does make sense. Just like any other software they want to encrypt and protect their product.
Port and DI = power
DS25-350 ez DI power
@@M340B58di power just for pure800😂 if you are want real power - only PI
@@n0t_fast for any Pure turbo, 850, or otherwise, and any DAW. With their fuel cam upgrade, it supports 950whp on gasoline and 710 on full e85. For the 20 people that go higher than 650whp, the DS25-350 is still an option.
This sounds like going from the N54 to the N55 all over again.
I’ve been talking b58’s with my friend who is a tech at my local dealer. He says later revisions can make more power, but the original gen 1 b58 is the most reliable. All the extra stuff they put in the TU’s end up breaking
Like what? I thought it's just a better hpfp and a girdle
"All the extra stuff breaks" ...such as?
You want that 2 port exhaust from gen 1…?
@@y00h000gen 1s are 6 port
@@rileyhagler1373 if that’s the case then please tell me which gen has the 2 port exhaust.
Is the Gen. 3 direct injection and port
Yes
Yep
sick
Sources?
Trust me bro
Be careful. TU2s are having heads replaced already, some even being recalled…
Have any links? I'd like to read more about it
@@flyhacking5830 not that I know of, just word of mouth from dealership techs
I wonder if the guy in the video mentioned that 🤔
@@kern417 my bad kern, I didn’t watch lol
@@drewbuck2828 lol all good 🤝🏾
I just got a gen 1😭
Still a great motor don’t worry
easier to tune without needing to send it to femto
I got a gen 1 b58 in my 140ix running dorche white portmeth tth800 100-200 4.7 before installing pi so you wil be fine
tons of development on the gen 1. you're saving money and can potentially reach higher hp than current gen 2s
@@ooopppiiiuuummm yeah and i guesss what more do you want from the car mine doing 800 ish just fine could go further but gearbox needs to be upgraded its stil stock block and trans stock air intake an stock exhaust mperformance tuner did do some kind of mod to my airbox
Port injection should have been installed long ago.
We need to move on from PI and just use higher flowing DI pumps.
PI will always have a place to support maximum power and efficiency
@@kern417 can you explain what it is about port injection that makes it better than DI on these engines?
@@AgentExhale it is more efficient in low rpm/low load scenarios
@@kern417 would you mind linking a resource to learn more about how PI makes more power in cases like these? im having difficulty finding explanations online
M340ix is 6 port
This video is not talking about the current m340i engine.
i’m not buying a fake M no matter what’s in it
Ok
Homie said he dont care how much power it makes or how well it drives. He just wants the m badge.
Yes those cars are fake M's (in my opinion) but they still come with some great equipment like anti roll bars and of course a power bump over the standard models. If your that bothered just debage the car.
@@MoserBagel i get it bro these cars are tuner heaven. i love heavy mods. but i hate how hard they are overdoing the whole M thing. it’s like smacking srt on everything it’s just getting a bit corny
I don't disagree but it's old news now. Just debadge and Enjoy one of the best daily drivers out right now.
Any word on 24+ Supras coming with it?
I believe the Supra lifecycle is almost over so I highly doubt it. They don't sell enough of them. But we'll see
@@kern417 are the not selling because of demand or is it because toyota limits volume to the point where every one has a 5k-10k dealer markup?
@@F5alconsHouse markup
@@F5alconsHousethey’re not selling because it’s a toyota badged bmw. I personally have one on order but not many people see bmw as a good thing especially the supra purists. In Australia they are selling horribly
Not even. Just in general sports cars don't sell. Even the BR-Z/FR-S has the same problem. You need a cult following to do numbers (see mopar, mustang, Corvette etc). There was initial hype and then it died off.