Anime's Most Controversial Squirrel
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- Опубліковано 7 кві 2022
- Known as the W3 incident, Space Boy Soran would go down in history as the first case of industrial espionage in the anime industry, but is there more to the story?
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It's what Tezuka would've wanted
you think god stay in heaven because he too live in fear of what he's created
You would think tezuka would have inspired a wave of kemono manga but that never really happened he is one of the few manga authors who had anthro characters as a Central part of alot of his works but that aspect of his stuff never became a trend like some of his other tropes.
A gross, but surprisngly effective metric
@@jrickducking6685 *looks over at the various breeding methods of wild animals and the twisted mind that would be needed to think half that shit up.*
Yeah I don't think so...
Aw, the original squirrel design looks way cuter than Chappy.
I thought so too, I liked the sort of winged-jetpack-thing it had. Chappy's head just looks weird.
I liked chappy's design more
@@ArchivedFox I'll give it that, I never saw a squirrel with no ears and an anthena before.
@@boxhead8514 I just kinda figured he was wearing a super hero mask holding his ears down.
@@ArchivedFox That's one possibility.
There was another incident involving Tezuka believing that his staff was trying to sabotage his studio. During the production of Cleopatra (1970) a lot of people working on the film were frustrated with Tezuka's creative decisions. They were sure the film would be a failure. At the same time, Tezuka lost the television rights to Little Wansa and Triton of the Sea. He was sure someone did it to spite him and he would abandon Mushi Pro soon after.
So that's how his animation studio, Tezuka Pro, came to pass?
...Why is this the first time I am hearing of Mushi pro?
“There’s also no porn of Chappy”
Not anymore, now that you’ve brought it up
Also, fun fact: Wonder 3 got dubbed into English in the 60s as “The Amazing 3.” Only a few episodes of this dub still survive though.
"There's no porn of [character]"
Rule 34 community: _Challenge Accepted_
There are film reels floating around, the owner of Rightstuf actually tried to buy them at an auction so he could do a DVD release similar to their release of Astro Boy but he apparently did not win them.
Which website? I checked the big 3 and nothing's there.
So nutting to squirrel pics?
@@Nathan-rb3qp r34... danbooru... theres a few
a james bond type with a lil squirrel buddy sounds like it'd be fun, shame that series never happened. thanks for the history lesson! ancient anime production drama is really interesting 8>
yeah i loved the drawing, it was so spirited and cute. the dude looked handsome too. i think the best thing about this concept is that its far more versatile and easy to modernize into a gritty reboot than whatever Soran was. oh well.
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@@desolark8616 Haha, I had the same thing pop into my head. It's quite different though
That's actually another concept that was carried over to Wonder 3, the James Bond type isn't the main human hero but he is a major supporting character, he's the older brother of the boy the Wonder 3 befriend and to my understanding he does most of the fighting for the heroes.
He's also a mangaka and uses art supplies as improvised weapons
My mom adored both of these shows when she was a kid in Tokyo. She even sang their theme songs when I was a kid (and still does every now and then).
Ask anyone older than 50 years in Mexico what was their favourite cartoon character, most of them will say astroboy
Giiiigantor, giiiigantor:
Bigger than big, stronger than strong,
Tougher than tough, longer than long,
Ready to fight for right against wrong,
Gigaantor, giiiigantor!
Thought I saw him for a sec in the intro. No way I got the Gigantor theme song right, lol
I can't believe the squirrel committed war crimes
Tezuka is still so highly revered, I'm surprised when i come across more human stories about him. Such an interesting story regarding the budding modern anime era in japan
Getting angry about a stolen aquirrel very human indeed
Plagiarism is big deal in the manga industry
It is, now the Japanese music industry nah, but manga yea
@@nekonekopanicnekonekopanic7335 given the amount of isekais that flat out copy each other robotically I would assume plagiarism is something only people being made fun of care about given the SAO author would have a strong case against most modern lightnovels.
@@chronic-joker Not really. Most manga ARE NOT riding on the coattails of SAO as much as people act like.
It's not even Isekai as Isekai is about going to another world. SAO is about having a helmet strapped to your head and playing an ultra realistic VR game. Yes it simulates a wide space rather well but there are massive differences between that and physically going to another world.
ALthough the Underworld arc of SAO does blur the lines rather heavily as it has both an entire world being fully simulated and native sentient being that have their own culture.
But as a whole not many novels ACTUALY copy SAO that heavily. It's popularity has been massively overhyped by the west although it was certainly a success.
"...there is no p0rn of Chappie from Space Boy Soran..."
Internet: Hold my beer.
It's bait to see porn of chappy, we know it
I wouldn't be surprised if this was the partial cause of Japan's copyright laws getting so strict and how now in Japan if you even accidentally leak info about something you are liable to get your professional life ruined (should definitely get you fired and barred from that particular organization but not ruin your life to the point where the only way you will find work is by working for Black Companies (companies so bad that it's barely above being in a sweatshop) and having to deal with that abuse, if done with malicious intent though maybe working at one of those hell holes would be better)
Even if you don't leak anything it's easy to make a scapegoat in a country notorious for police forced confessions and an uncompromising (arguably misplaced) respect for authority.
I think the major difference between post astro boy knock offs and the offensive squirl/soren anime is, they stole the idea/copied it before the originator even got to run his version, moreover the fact that they beat him to the punch means that would he had released what he originally planned, he would be considered the copy cat, not the other way around hence why he scrapped it all together.
There is a large diffrence between copycats later and being the originator being labeled the copy (deadpool deathstroke anyone?)
I'm starting to think Tezuka is a more hardcore mangaka than Go Nagai. Meanwhile, there's also the Devilman design lookalike in the first episode of the Gekko Kamen anime which may have been leaked.
I've talked with some Japanese people and Tezuka is considered to be a controversial mangaka in Japan. Although, I think not as much as Go Nagai
Tezuka made tons of mangas that only lasted a couple of issues or less.
He was inspired by Disney and was kind of like a Jack Kirby of sorts in the sense he was an engine of ideas who was obsessed with pulling out exactly what he had in mind right from the get go, but kind of like the animated shorts and comics of his youth, he rarely had a full fledged serialized story arc in his mind, just the overall aesthetics and character dynamics.
Today its hard to figure out such a thing but att most comics and cartoons were like that, which is why the bulk of his early Manga works will probably never be animated.
Go Nagai was kind of like that too but his action oriented creations had a stable structure that allowed studios to come out with basic plotlines and tropes to make long running story with a clear begining and end. That was impossible with Tezuka because his creations were all over the place. Case in point: Wonder Three.
@@Jennihazama what did they say made him controversial?
what do you mean, hardcore? personality-wise or the topics he would bring up in his works? because tezuka had a gekiga period where he drew the darkest, grittiest stories. check out Ayako (about a little girl growing up locked in a cellar and enduring sexual and general abuse from her family), Message to Adolf (about a soldier trying to solve the murder of his brother and realizing it ties into nazi conspiracy), MW (about mass murderer whos first action is to kidnap and strangle a child), Ode to Kirihito (probably the most nihilistic and genuinely angry story from him, every character is the most awful, evil person ever and all good people are abused to the point of losing all hope and thats about it), theres a lot of dark stuff. Though Buddha is probably his best work, and most mature, reconciling the idealistic messages of his kid friendly works with the objective truth of the world being extremely wretched and evil of his dark works.
@@KOTEBANAROT Personality. He's often regarded as the God of manga and tends to be advertised through his works as a gentle man. But the more I look into his behind the scenes stuff he's very bitter, angry and works his fetishes into his manga. I'm aware of his many manga but he's more like The Angry God Of Manga.
Considering the stashes of drawings found in Tezuka's locked desk years after his passing, I think he might've been flattered by Bokko's google image results.
A true legend even in death.
TIL
I mean, we didn't need those hidden drawings to know he's a man of culture, his actual published manga was often just as spicy. Stuff like The Muse and Don, for example.
@@Diwasho Bagi.
I was thinking about the Chappy porn but I was not expecting you to come right out and say it.
This video is going to become legendary.
Your digby 😃
The hell is wrong with all of you...?
Tezuka is one of the greatest minds in Manga history and is known as the father of anime and manga for a reason, that being said, I always felt his destiny lied within Manga. His anime works were often hit with challenges beyond his abilities and he always wanted to top everything that was beyond capbale of his time.
Man hearing those old clips of Astro just reminded me he was voiced by the same woman who originally voiced Gumby in the states.
That would be Billie Lou Watt. She was also the voice for Kimba in the English dub and Jimmy Sparks in the English dub of Gigantor. One of her last roles was voicing Ma Bagge (Eustace's mother) in Courage the Cowardly Dog
@@BlazeHeartPanther I had no idea she was Ma Bagge so that is freakin' awesome.
Tezuka reached Latin America with Kimba and Ribon No Kishi. Up until the early 2000s Princesa Zafiro was considered the first Magical Gir over here even.
I know the first Astroboy anime got also there. Maybe not in Mexico, but it did in South America.
@@MaverickTsuki It did but it wasn't really popular. Not as popular as it got to be in the US at least.
IMHO Kimba and Zafiro got to be that poulsr because the fact thay it was made in color allowed the shows to be reboradcasted time and time again over the years reconencting 80s/90s children with their parents who were kids/teens in the 60s/70s.
Its kind of like the same phenomenom as Speed Racer which is widely known all throughout the Americas. In my countey Uruguay it became so popular that Road Police are called Meteoritos because theie helmet att was similar to Speed Racer's helmet which in Latin America is called Meteoro.
Similarily Ribon No Kishi was so impactful for girl back in the day which was used as an example of magical girl or rather a precursor of the genre and used to be a cult anime in Latin America for about 2 decades in the 80s and 90s.
@@BurnRoddy Speed Racer was my shit as a kid.
@@jeremias-serus Same, me and my dad would watch it on Saturday mornings :)
"there is also porn"
At this point I ain't even surprised
Excellent video. I was not prepared for that ending.
Here's my query: I've heard that one of Tezuka's big inspirations were bootlegged reprintings of Donald Duck comic books by Carl barks and Mickey Mosue comic strips by Floyd Gottfredson. So my question is did Tezuka popularize or at least sometimes use the gag where a character gets so shocked by something that they fall over on their back with their feet hanging in the air.
Because I've noticed several of the Mickey strips from the late 30's early 40's using this kind of gag, mainly the Sunday strips. If Tezuka is where everybody got the idea for this gag, and Gottfredson is where Tezuka got it, then that means one of Anime's biggest most iconic cliches is an idea bothered from Mickey Mouse.
It wouldn't be the first thing anime learned from Disney; the ubiquitous "anime style" evolved from attempts to imitate the realistic animation design from Snow White and Cinderella. And now it has obviously become its own unique form of stylization that is unrecognizable from that initial form.
But you can see the similarities more as you go back in time through anime and manga art design. Tezuka was clearly influenced by more stylized designs but the DNA of Disney is still there.
@@aircraftcarrierwo-class I heard that Bambi was a big inspiration for the classic big eyes of a lot of anime
@@magicwindow6682 I wouldnt be surprised at all.
Bootleg reprintings of Donald duck comics reminds me of Tijuana bibles.
I remember seeing an article that Shigeru Mizuki, the creator of Gegege no Kitaro and Akuma-kun, made some manga that were basically traced from old Superman comics
I had never heard of this story before, great work as always John. Keep up the amazing and well produced content! 😁
This is my favorite type of anime video. Thank you for the great story! I can't even fathom how Tezuka was publishing as much manga as he was, running a studio AND going into paranoid downward spirals over his inability to trust his employees. Even without sleep I couldn't get that much done!
It's probably because Disney betrayed and harmed him and plagiarized him in America, that he became paranoid with that
Nice video! Can't believe there was so much drama over a squirrel, lol
Great video, I love learning trivia like this.
At first when I saw the squirrel, I thought to myself “what’s wrong with the squirrel?” After watching it, now I know
Heck if Chappy did return, what would everyone reaction be, for me I would say “is that Rocky the flying squirrel?”
"Hey Chappy! Watch me pull a rabbit out of a hat!"
my first thought was it was, like, Scrappy-levels of annoying lol
as a big fan of tezuka's work and older anime in general i'm really surprised i haven't heard of this till now! thanks for making a video on it :)
So excited to see someone talk about this! Had only heard of it from a google translated Japanese Wikipedia page before lol
The whole thing with the Underwater Kingdom episodes were definately plagerism cases.
Yes, They say "It was different because the underwater creature was different", is a Bad Excuse as it doesn't change the premise of both episodes, as well as the general plot.
I mean, if the creators of Sorin wanted an underwater episode, they should have changed the Premise entirely, make it about Eco Terrorists or Criminals trying to destroy the facility as it threatens their smuggling routes, but no, apparently, they _have_ to copy Tezuka's work.
Of course, the fact that the creators of Sorin were ripping off Tezuka's works does imply that they _had_ been plagerizing his ideas... Question is... How did they steal his Ideas when they weren't publically announced?
Alright, that ending caught me off guard far more than it should have.
The algorithm brought me here. I don't even watch that much anime. I can tell you're passionate about early anime and animation. Thanks for the video!
Usually you have drinks with coworkers after work (called "Nomikai") and it's a cultural phenomena. Plus you have people working in multiple studios and adding alcohol to the mix would make sense. It reminds me of a story with PIXAR. It was one of the reasons why PIXAR left Los Angeles to Emeryville. The entertainment industry is well known to ripoff ideas of each other. Just look at "Book of Life" and "Coco". PIXAR is well known to not let any visitors into the studio without them being vetted by staff.
I think Antz and A Bug's Life was the first time I noticed this phenomenon. I didn't know how far back this kind of thing was happening.
@@KasumiKenshirou Now that is a well known story. It is a falling out between Jeffrey Katzenberg (left Disney to found Dreamworks) and Michael Eisner (then president of Disney). Shrek's Lord Farquaad (aka F@ckwad) was modeled after Michael Eisner. Katzenberg stole Pixar's idea to spite Disney. It is really well known among Disney and Dreamworks fans.
Don't forget the controversy over the film Antz. Jeffrey Katzenberg stole the idea for the film from Pixar founder John Lasseter & developed it into Antz after Katzenberg left Disney for DreamWorks. John Lasseter, meanwhile, would then go on to develop his idea into the film A Bug's Life.
I thought the Book of Life was a mexican movie.
@@nidohime6233 It was made by 20th Century Fox studios, but Dreamworks originally started it. They heard Pixar was making a Day of the Dead movie due to them inviting numerous guests plus Disney trying to copyright "Day of the Dead". The copyright didn't go well with the Latino communities.
It's interesting watching this just as a new anime debuts (Spy Family), which features a spy during the Cold War who takes in a young girl who's a telepath. No squirrel, just girl.
We should fuse the squirrel to the girl and see if anything notable happens
@@Gloomdrake more r34 fuel. That's what happens.
Love that you got the theme for Shinjuku City Hunters as your outro
WElp, you just killed that squirrel's image. If it didn't exist before, it does now.
Man i'm happy to know a little more about Tezuka's temper, everybody elevates him as this larger than life figure in the industry it's kinda hard to remember he was just a guy in a very stress indulcibg industry.
Not that i am proud if what he did or anything, but still, feels good to ser that he was grounded in some aspect...
The Hoyt Curtin music is an amazing thing, on top another great video. Thanks for doing that.
Which Hoyt Curtin music are you referring to?
Tezuka's erratic behavior kinda reminds me of a few other Auteurs around the world. Some people just have no chill.
The man was working so much he literally worked himself to death
@@MercuryFalcon Truly a stupid and sad waste of talent. Nobody should ever do that, let alone be or feel pressured to do so.
man, so much drama over two companies wanting to use the same generic idea
Tezuka's squirrel is just Disney's Chip n' Dale too not to throw too much shade but its noticeable.
That damn squirrel, he originally was a scrappy in that show. Nonetheless, he’s still a cutie though.
"There's also no porn of chappy"
*A crackling of old skin and bones could be heard as the monkey's paw curls its finger*
You know, the second I saw Boko from Amazing Three here, I thought, "That's a rather sexy rabbit. I wonder if...." And then you answered the question.
Now it's just a matter of time until that last fact is no longer true.
I like how one of the benchmarks for success is the amount of rule 34 lol. I'll keep that in mind when making my own cartoons one day.
I really dislike Chappy's design. Mostly because of the lack of ears :'y
Also, I'm in awe of how busy the shots of the studio were. Traditional animation is produced by a well-oiled machine for sure :y
That was a way overly sexy rabbit lmao.
Great video like always love to hear about anything tezuka related he was a very interesting guy.
Always pushing his furry agenda in his manga and anime.
Tezuka's suspicious closet of hidden sketches...
Based Tezuka
'Ode to Kirihito' is a life-changer, it should be required reading in High School literature classes.
Ohhh Yes... Dat Hot Mouse Lady...
Seriously, I get the feeling Tezuka would have caused a whole series of Furry Anime to be launched had he actually bought that Cute Gal to the Telly Screen...
@@tarjaau And Bagi, Monster of Mighty Nature, and that lion from One Thousand And One Nights...
What a wild story. Thanks for telling it :D
Thank you!
the porn joke is disturbingly accurate these days on how popular a characters design is. Its a bit of a personal quirk of mine to see how fast the first rule34 shows up of a newly announced character (iirc Rivet from Ratchet and Clank wasnt even done with the freaking announce trailer lol)
The original City Hunter theme at the end!
wow, read about this in the wikipedia pages of this two series, but i didn't know it went this deep, you learn something new, also where did you find the no. 7 concept art?
I had to import a book from Japan and scan them myself. I searched online but all I could find is a Japanese artist who did fan art a few years ago. I reached out to them to find out what they based their art in and they gave me the name of the book then I imported and scanned it
@@MercuryFalcon and just out of curiosity what is the name of the book?
@@sebastiansuescum2186 Osamu Tezuka Vintage Works Animation Edition
@@MercuryFalcon nice thanks!
My dad lived in Japan during the 60's(Grandpa was stationed there, he was a Navy medic.) and he told me about most of these and have watched a bunch of them, they are good shows, minus Space boy Soran, haven't seen that one.
Oh! I saw the Tezuka version sketches in a book i have with his drawing, i wondered what it was from because it really stood out from his other character designs. What a shame it didnt come to fruition.
ARGH! Why are you putting VHS ontop of the TV!?! The magnets gonna' scrub them! have you all forgotten everything!?!?! XD
Good to hear that Development Hell exists in Japan, too.
I knew of Soran as I remember one day there was wind & carried the signal of a Soran episode accross the Pacific & airing in Canada
Wait a second. That Boku Rabbit... Hello Titans Test Team emblem!
I know the Japanese candy company known as Morinaga made a candy called chocoball and the mascot was chappy but it was later rebranded with its own mascot Kyorochan and is still around today
That was a weird note to end on.
Geez, imagine Tezuka getting sore over plagiarism. Although, the fact that TCJ announced their show and designs AT THE SAME TIME Mushi was working on theirs does strike me a tad bit suspicious.
Song: So-ran, So-ran, So-raaaaan
MercuryFalcon: This is Space Boy Soarin!
and in one sentence you doomed this squirrels virginity.
Really great video
The porn popularity metric is accurate and also makes me want to donate all my organs to science early.
great vid, well researched (especially citing rule 34), and the pièce de résistance is that version of kohhy's _ai yo kienaide_
I am working on making one of these animes/manga into a reimagined reboot. Won't tell which one, I will say we purchased the rights.
its the sexy rabbit one, isn't it?
Is it price planet or soran
Eiji Tanaka also had his own company, Tama Studio. They did art for other production companies, including work on Mach GoGoGo and something with a company called Nack -- responsible for the infamous Chargeman Ken. Tama Studio went bankrupt in 2011.
Mushi itself folded in 1973 due to financial difficulties (a situation said to be caused by Tezuka's unreasonable budget expectations).
It's still got nothing on Gaming's most controversial squirrel.
@@TheRealBatabii Do you know any other squirrel in gaming who could ever fit the bill? :)
@@TheRealBatabii that was my way of saying "BINGO!".
That's not a squirrel, that's a alien.
Dang, that's crazy.
The very end had me cracking up laughing.
the weird thing about the real life segments is that the english subs are blurred out for no known reason. plus, the original source for them is unknown
Its blurred because they are discussing the process Mushi Pro's writers go through in order to make an Astro Boy episode which is not what I was talking about so would have been distracting if the text was visible on screen. The source is the official Astro Boy dvds so I don't know what you're talking about.
Wow Was one crazy story of anime and manga Industry in the 60s
The line "there is no porn of chappy" hit me like the isekai bus.
i loved astro boy. it was still airing here in canada in the late 80s and early 90s.
AAAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDD that's a sub. Look forward to watching your channel grow dude. Cheers from Canada .
Soran and W3 were shown in Brazilian TV at the same time (late 60's). I've never imagined there would be all that controversy between the two series...
the last trivia sure is interesting
Correction: No porn of Chappy *yet*.
As much as I would like to say "at least Chappy is kinda cute," he honestly looks pretty uncanny.
Tezuka was very paranoid
"This show has been untouched since 1967."
Hollywood [wringing hands together] [excited] Oh really!
How cute the squirrel is
Let's be real, given his history of sexy mice drawings, Tezuka himself probably also drew porn of Bokko from The Amazing 3.
lmao that last measure of relevance
4:28 oh that's an oddly leggy rabbit
8:30 glad to know I wasn't the only one who thought so
Ah Kimba. Now you want to talk rip-offs, looking at you Lion King!!!
I don't know if that final point counts as a victory or not. Well, there's no bad publicity i guess...
Hotdamn! At the end of the video, where is that instrumental rendition of City Hunter's theme song from?
There really isn't too much people talking about the Wonder 3/Amazing Three and while this video is somewhat related to that anime, its still a shame that both studios got tangled up in this mess. Chappy is cute though but I still prefer Bokko.
The man was definitely an artist, he was extremely overprotective about what he makes it seems.
8:25 I'm willing to bet that's changed thanks to this video
Thanks for addressing a thought that popped into my head when I saw Bocco: "There's definitely porn of that."
A rarely--seen side of Tezuka, to be sure. He clearly didn't kindly to anyone leaking secrets about his animation. 🙊😱🙀
That animation is so good for 65 anime. wow.
Maybe I can fix the lack of... Art of chappy described at the end.
Those are some very small cubicles for the artists!
This was fascinating, first time I ever heard of Space Boy Soran. Also, what is the name of the song you used in the outro?
its a midi version of the City Hunter OP
@@MercuryFalcon Heard that, and thank you!
okay that ending was... not something I was unexpecting
There's a lot of anime from back then that is really, really hard to watch. Even just from a visual standpoint.
The first Astro Boy series is definitely the definition of limited animation, some of the fighting scenes are literally just still images, which definitely makes it seem a little off putting, not bad enough to be unwatchable, but it makes me wanna wonder how much budget Mushi Pro had.