The BEST 100s for CONTROL? Head Gravity Pro 2023 vs. Head Speed Pro 2022 | Rackets & Runners
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- You asked for it, now it's time to compare Head's two 100 square inch control frames, the Head Gravity Pro and Speed Pro.
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This guy gives the best in-depth reviews! Love the terminology as well.
I just demoed the Gravity Pro, and am a huge fan of the feel.. stable, control oriented, and surprising spin. You can really swing out with it, therefore heightening that ceiling in seeking further potential in your skills. A lot of fun to hit with.
Thanks for the awesome review.
Thank you very much! Glad you liked the Gravity!
Thanks. At my level I just try to point the strings where I want the ball to go. I like my Speed but my string choice, adding poly to multi mains, made the ball fly long.
The way you describe the “sticky” feel makes perfect sense!
Amazing, very detailed review. Agree with almost all parts. Gravity works best for flat hitting all courter, while the Speed Pro is more whippy and tad more spin-friendly. I think the Spin on the gravity is underrated, u have a larger spin window due to the head shape. Personally Gravity Pro is my racquet of choice, bc it's simply the most complete stick you can buy right now. It's a miracle racquet in stock form that does everything exceptional... as long as you have developed strokes/technique.
Thank you! I totally agree that the spin is underrated on the Gravity Pro. Especially when I compared it to the Prestige a few weeks back it really was night and day even though the two frames are kind of similar on paper. I've always said the Gravity Pro is magical; I struggled with the last one because it was a tad too high in SW, but this one is just phenomenal now that they lowered it a bit.
@@RacketsRunnersVancouver Quality Control is a huge problem, bc it can throw you off in first place. If you have an already demanding frame way over spec, u prob. won't like it. I never buy racquets unmeasured, always use matching services for a little extra cost. That way u can also cheat yourself to a more "personal" racquet. If you love the gravity pro but it's too heavy, u can find one that is way under spec and this may be a perfect match...
That's part of the reason why I couldn't switch to the 360+. I do think quality control has gotten miles better on average in the last 5 years; probably because of the rise in reviews putting a bigger spotlight on the issue.
@@RacketsRunnersVancouver Could be, but it's really important to know what you're buying..
@@agradina Should be at least 4.5 to use a Gravity Pro effectively with good stamina and strength IMO ;)
V core pro 97 user. Thinking of switching to speed for more power and stability. What u think?
Hello really enjoy the detail in your explanations of these two racquets and I have been able to demo both, the one id like your feedback on as I cannot find a demo is the newer Head prestige mp as it has similar specs to the gravity pro and speed pro in this review, thanks!
We'll be reviewing the Prestige very shortly!
Hi Luca
Great review. Can you please compare the gravity pro and the blade 98 18x20?
I haven't been able to find this type of video and comparison online.
Thanks
Those are two great rackets to compare and this would help me big time with my quest to find my racket of choice! I'll look into it but for now, check out our Top 5 Control rackets where I talk about both of them in decent detail. ua-cam.com/video/mtYcFLwVrD0/v-deo.html
Excellent review, thanks.
I didn't get perpendicular to the ground contact point and parallel to the ground contact point... can't get my mind around what you meant.
Which racket would you consider more arm friendly?
Thanks fir the review!
Thank you! Think parallel to the ground = modern spin-friendly stroke and perpendicular = more classic flat stroke.
Both are very arm friendly but the Gravity Pro ever so slightly more so.
Thanks Luca for the review, in the coming days I'm gonna test exactly these two frames... Hope they're not too much for a young guy getting older (55 yo ! 😅) close to a 4.0 level
@RacketsRunnersVancouver btw... tested the Speed Pro and didn't suited my game (hope it's a nice way to say that I didn't liked it); but the Gravity TOUR actually felt... awesome! I'm in love with this frame, not too demanding yet great feeling. a couple of last tests (Boom Pro and Yonex VCore 98) and then I'm done! thanks again for your reviews :)
Do you have RDC TO see the actual RA on these rackets
I was just wondering how the Speed Pro would compare against the Gravity Tour (BOTH GRAPHENE 360+ VERSIONS). They are almost identical in specs except for the beam is 1mm thinner on the Gravity Tour and the weight is a little lower, as is the swingweight. The power map shows them both to be about the same.
They both have a nice low 60s RA rating and they both have a 18x20 string pattern.
What differences should I expect from these frames ??
This is a very good question, and something I consider myself a bit of an expert in. The spark notes: the speed pro has more spin and power but less control, consistency, and user friendliness.
nice work. keep it up.. Suggestion: How about a comparison chart with scores?
I was thinking about this, I'll definitely consider it for these comparisons.
Thanks for the video❤ sometimes I struggle with swining the gravity pro fast enough, especially on my forehand. So I am wondering should I go for speed pro (5g less) or the gravity tour?
I really can't say. Like I mention in the video I'm not sure the Speed actually IS faster than the Gravity because it's thicker with a higher swing weight, so you would have to demo first to be sure it would work for you.
Excellent review! Some subtle things were very well said!
Thank you kindly!
Great review! How would you compare the Gravity Pro with the Pro Staff 97 v14?
Two very different rackets looking to accomplish a similar goal. More consistency/power with the Gravity, more manoeuvrability/spin with the Pro Staff.
Great and very detailed comparison! Have you tried the new prestige tour(old prestige pro)? If you have how would it compare to the gravity pro? Mainly I'm looking for the power potential you can generate.(Meaning if you can handle the swingweight well and go for it)
I tried it very briefly and absolutely hated it, but it was my first time playing tennis in over 2 months so take that with a massive pinch of salt. What I will say is that it has a very high power potential; the only racket I can compare it to in that regard (considering all other factors) is the RF97.
I have both the Soeed Pro and the Auxetic Prestige Tour. The feel is very much the same. However, there is even more stability with the Prestige, especially on volleys. I used a 1.23 gauge string on both because the launch angle on the Prestige is surprisingly low for a 16x19. The Speed Pro is just a little more sluggish through the air. This is because its static weight is lower with a SW of almost 330. You’ll feel the heft in the hoop. The Prestige has a heavier static weight and because of this, there is more weight in the handle, making it more head light in comparison and easier to swing, in spite of its almost 340 SW.
Funny intro. Ty
WOW man, really good review!! i play with a Gravity MP 360+ and i love it... but i am always looking for new frames and i think that gravity pro can be a good one for me, because i like the frame and because of the more closed string pattern (18x20).... the only concern is about the weight, but i think in gravity pro is quite ok to deal it, right? Thanks for the review!
It's definitely a heavy racket especially if you're coming from an MP. If you have the chance to demo it, give it a go but I would be careful going in on it without trying it first.
another great racket review!!! were u playing professionally Luca?
Thank you! I wish I had but no, just a guy who loves tennis and especially loves analyzing product :)
Realy Nice review
Which racket is better for hitting good consistent flat service is also signigicant please put this parameter in your reviews
Thank you. I'll try to highlight more specific strokes in the future. The Speed will have a bit more power potential on serve, and it's plenty consistent so I will say the Speed.
coming from Ti s6, which of these would recommend including the extreme. looking for the lighter versions of these. thanks for the great video
Thank you! The Extreme PWR should be identical (or nearly) to the Ti.S6, so you'll feel right at home there.
I come from playing with a custom Aero 100 2023 at 310 grams, to have stability and more power, I want to change to head speed pro to have more stability and control, I am an aggressive baseline player... I have always loved the Wilson Blade 98 v7 …but the 98 rim was very demanding…do you recommend the speed or the gravitation coming from the pure aero? very good video!!! thank you so much❤❤❤
Thank you! The Speed would be perfect for you as it's kind of like a controlled version of the Aero. It still has Aerodynamic engineering whereas the Gravity is much more classic in its shape. Give the Speed Pro a shot!
Lynx Tour Champagne is beautiful, specially in a Blade V8.
Totally agree, I LOVE that string colour. Played with Signum Pro Firestorm for a year just because it looked so nice...
Good morning, I have a question. Some say that stiffness determines whether one racket is more powerful than another, but others say that it is the power scale or psi that determines it. If you can clarify that for me, I would appreciate it, because it happens that the radical, for example, has 65 RA while the speed pro 2022 has 61 RA, which suggests that the radical is more powerful but when you look at the power scale, the radical has 200 and the speed pro 300 suggesting that the speedpro is more powerful. Thank you very much for answering .
Stiffness can determine power but it also stems from other things like string pattern, beam thickness, racket shape. Don't worry too much about Head's CPI but when you see a thicker frame, or a frame that has more modernly shaped lines you can expect it to be more powerful.
Comparing the radical mp 2023 to the ezone 98 2022 would be nice! They seem like very similar frames on paper, but would love to hear your take on the nuances between them. Thanks Luca!
Yes, definitely a good shout. I was thinking of doing those soon and maybe including the Shift 300 as well when it comes out.
Interesting, I actually found Auxetic Speed Pro to have significantly lower launch angle than GPro. GPro responses much better to lifting and shaping the ball. That said, notice my Speed is buffed to GPro SW, and both tail-weighted to be 32cm of balance, 340g static fully furnished
Interesting what you say about lifting/shaping the ball. I wonder if this has something to do with the fact the pocketing is much more well defined so you feel more control over that lifting motion while it sits in the stringbed. I have to say I think purely from a technical point of view, the Speed is more spin friendly.
@@RacketsRunnersVancouver I actually measured their stringbeds, and they are almost identical in terms of density in the middle. Like 0.5mm difference if you take 8-10 middle mains and crosses. GPro has that “middle” closer to the tip, and is obviously a tad wider. Those longer crosses in the middle bring better liveliness (and spin window is wider) for Gravity.
I actually did compare them side-by-side. Speed does spin the ball well enough, but by whatever reason doesn’t want to lift it unless I open the stringbed. But this hurts the spin instantly, and I just have to hit low over the net, or balls start sailing, or I need to artificially over spin them. With gravity, the shape is just more natural and easy for me, more net clearance and curve on “default” drives.
I have some guys agreeing with me with this assessment. And overall Gravity seems just great for me. Yesterday hit some kicks which bounced hugely 🔥
Which is a better racquet between speed pro , speed MP , gravity pro , gravity MP and Wilson blade 98 18/20 ?
Also which string setup would you suggest along with tension in pounds with respect to each racquet
As I don’t have the luxury to test them out would be of great help if I could get help .
Thank you
Better is always a relative term; my favourite is the Gravity Pro.
Any poly will work in the rackets, for the Speed Pro, go for 50#, MP, 53#, Gravity Pro 48#, MP 50#, and for the Blade go for 47#.
Hello nice video, which is better in control and maniobravility , Speed Pro or Prostaff X? Many thanks
They are both fairly heavy but the Speed Pro is noticeably more maneuverable. In terms of control, I would say the Speed Pro as well but it's very close.
really nice and solid comparision, agree with almost everything you said as i've tested both for a long period of time. Would be cool to see the shift 315 as a video comparision by quoting this video. Also a comparision with blade 16x19 with rad mp is something a lot a people ask arround and there's no video about
Blade and Radical is a great one, definitely on the books.
I'll probably wait till the full release of the Shift comes out to do that video but it will be a VERY interesting one.
Gravity Tour user here.
Would love to see a comparison between G Pro and ProStaff v14.
Would you want me to compare it with the X or the 97?
I switched to gravity pro. Hated it at first but now I love it
What about it did you hate at first? I am not loving it, but have used in only a couple of times. I don't understand what people like about it so much.
@@roypeterkayou’re probably not advanced enough for it if you can’t see objectively how good it is as a control racquet
@@danielbartley739 What level of tennis do you need to be to see it objectively? Guessing you mean subjectively rather than objectively, but you probably aren't educated enough to know the difference.
Question: thoughts on potential impacts of touching up a raquet with paint to black out? Would the weight balance be impacted on a raquet like Boom Pro?
Yes, you will definitely impact certain things unless you are absolutely perfect with sanding and reapplying the exact same amount of weight. In this case, it's probably best to leave it to professional customizers.
Hi! Could you compare tecnifibre 305 ISO and Gravity Pro please?
I've included both in our Top 5 Control rackets video, if you want to check that out!
I have the gravity 360+ and i really hate it. Love every prestige. Only hit serves and some drops with the speed pro
How does the Speed Pro compare to the Boom Pro? They weigh the same with 98” vs 100” and string pattern great reviews on the channel
Thank you! We're releasing a Head Pro Rackets Overview in a couple of days so I'll discuss them there.
Please review Dunlop CX200, really good control racket
I'd really like to include it in a video but we're phasing them out so I may have to wait till the next one comes out.
Prestige is a control racquet! 😉
@Luka - a serious question - if YOU are to play a tournament and with a goal of having frame help you the most, which one would you pick? Speed Pro or Gravity Pro?
That's a very good question. For me it would be the Gravity Pro and this question may be worth its own video.
Gravity MP and some VCP 100 please.
I've been wanting to do these two for a while now but it looks like we're phasing out the VCORE Pro 100, so I'll probably wait till the new one comes out.
Would love to see Gravity Pro vs Percept 100D video
Unfortunately, we don't carry the 100D.
What about your comparison between the Speed Pro and the Gravity Tour as a more forgiving alternative to the Vcore Pro 97D? Thanks!
Either one will do the trick; at that point it's really determining whether you want the more traditional feel/flex of the Gravity over the more modern playability of the Speed.
@@RacketsRunnersVancouver Will try both and see how it goes. Thanks!
Compare radical pro & prostaff 97 please
I'll file that one into the to-do folder. Been wanting to do it for a bit now.
How do they compare with smaller head control oriented 16x19 rackets in terms of control, ease of use etc?
They are both easier to use and the Speed isn't going to be as precise as anything with a
@@RacketsRunnersVancouver I guess i'll have to try them out. Just got an old Speed Graphene XT. Let's see how it compares to my Pure Strike 16x19.
Thanks for the reply :))
@@RacketsRunnersVancouver What about the Gravity Tour? Have you tried it, how do you think it compares to these two?
The specs of the Tour suggest it would be a more realistic oprion for me.
Finally confused what to choose(
Having struggled a little with the surprisingly small sweet spot, I put a Lynx Tour / Velocity hybrid on my Gravity Pro 360+ and found a huge improvement in playability and forgiveness over straight poly while maintaining great control. It's truly shocking how much better my play is with this setup. Almost seems like cheating!
That's what the Gravity does! Feels like you're cheating.
@@RacketsRunnersVancouver i wonder hybrid with gut/poly would expand the sweet spot as well?
which racket would be best for tennis elbow/ confort?
The Clash 100 remains supreme in that regard.
about spin, to me for wathever reason the gravity has lower lauch angle but produce way more rpm and heavy ball
A lot of people have been saying this. I am personally more comfortable taking a big cut of the ball with the Gravity which is why I can produce more spin, but if you're keeping all things equal, the Speed Pro has more spin potential.
Do you guys think that it is worth to invest money to switch from gravity pro 2019 to gravity pro auxetic 2023 ? Some youtubers say 2023 version is not as good as previous generations. Other youtubers say 2023 version is slightly better. Assuming it is slightly better; is it better enough to expend money to switch from 2019 version to an auxetic one? Thanks for any help guys
IMO it depends on how you define “better”. It’s a subjective term. From my experience I can say it was a no brainer to get 23 version. Reason being that it felt more solid on contact yet maintained a super buttery feel plus it seemed easier to swing as the SW despite being 330 felt lighter. These were the reasons for me to get the 23 version so I got 2!
@RacketsRunnersVancouver hi Luka, I would like to ask you or someone who understands, to explain one thing to me, I have been playing tennis professionally and I have been training it for two years, let's say I have been playing recreationally, I play with Babolat Pure Drive 315 g, I have been reading and watching about rackets for a long time and I'm thinking of switching to Head, because I'm missing that kind of control in the exchanges, and now I'm really undecided between Gpro or Spro, so I'm interested in the opinion of which racket might be better suited?
I think the Speed Pro would be perfect! It's going to be closer in playability and feel to the Pure Drive, just with much more control so it sounds perfect for you!
@@RacketsRunnersVancouver I used to play tennis recreationally, but now for the last year and a half, almost 2, I have been doing it professionally, in the sense that I train tennis, I play it in a club, I think I am intermediate level, I am still looking for myself, I don't know exactly which racket would suit me Novak is my idol, his style of play I like it, I took the Babolat PD, it's not bad, but I feel like I lack control and that's why I consider Head to take, so I asked for your opinion on which racket you would recommend and maybe what weight, because my current racket is 315 g plus 9 grams of Babolat weights and is that maybe too heavy for me?
Maybe you wanna do a comparison of Wilson Ultra 100 V4 vs. Head Extreme MP?
They are quite different; the Ultra is much more powerful and the Speed much more controlled so probably a little too different to compare directly.
@@RacketsRunnersVancouver So you talking about the Head Speed or the Head Extreme? I am confused :D
Or do you mean the racket speed of the Wilson Ultra? :)
Hi Luca, leather grip for gravity pro?
It's already very heavy but if you're ready to swing that high weight then it will complement it perfectly.
Im a 3.0 -3.5 player (playing for 2,5 years, once a week just with a friend - no competitive yet).
33year old male.
I like to hit big from the baseline more, than rushing through the net.
I’m trying to play with spin but I’m not the best spin player of my technique. So if I try to hit winners, I often shoot em too flat and they are going too long - out.
I’m actually playing the 2023 head extreme mp, because I thought „if I’m not good enough to generate spin with a good technique, maybe the extreme mp can help me with it.
But now I’m thinking, maybe I need a more control friendly racket.
I’m thinking of the speed or the gravity line.
But I don’t know which is better for me and which model i should take (MP, Tour, Pro of gravity or speed)
What do you suggest me to get?
Go for the Gravity MP. You're right about looking for something controlled it will work better with your technique.
I just played with new gravity pro and holy cow, it may be the best raquet ever for my game. Although it’s 315 g, it doesn’t feel heavy at all. It’s more maneuverable than older version and feels rock solid, while being buttery soft, I’m in love.
The "holy cow" feeling you get when you first try a Gravity (or use it for the first time in a while) hit's different I can't lie 😅
if you like the buttery soft and rock solid you should try the pro staff X or six one, I demoed those 2 this week and gravity pro last week, the pro staff are more solid and buttery feel upon contact while maintaining the same level of control
Are they any good for a one handed backhand?
I wouldn't recommend the Gravity but the Speed would be good compared to other 100s.
Is there anyway to see a speed pro vs mp?
I'll keep it in mind but it probably next year!
Gravity pro vs pure strike or wilson blade pls
That’s a great idea for a video, I’ll add it to the list and hopefully make my way to it in the future.
Speed vs boom. That’s what I want to see.
Head Gravity Pro or Yonex Percept 97D?
I haven't played with the 97D yet but it's going to take a generational racket to beat out the Gravity, for me.
Gravity Pro vs Percept 100D and/or 97D!
I love the idea, we just haven't received the 100/97D yet.
Speed MP vs Gravity MP??
I will probably weight a little bit to do those two because I just included them in a recent video: ua-cam.com/video/iHDUlFDl-uY/v-deo.html
And yes, I speed wait incorrectly on purpose ;)
what are the most powerful 98 rackets?
Good question, probably worth its own video in the future...
Pure Strike 16x19
is this lynx tour champagne string??
Yes it is!
90% percent of my time i watch ur review of gravity pro vs speed pro wondering what to choose.
Ahaha same don’t worry
I'd loves to see you compare the gravity vs the prince textreme tour 310 100 or the tour 305 98, love the reviews so far!
Thank you! Unfortunately we don't cary Prince anymore, but if we ever do those would be two perfect ones to compare.
@@RacketsRunnersVancouver fair enough they aren't big sellers anymore, still good racquets. Still love you reviews keep em coming!
Radical Pro Vs TFight ISO 315!
Good shout!
Pro staff x??
To me, it doesn't quite stack up in consistency/control compared to these two frames.
I don't understand why you refer to the speed pro as having a bigger sweet spot than the gravity pro. According to my experience the gravity has a bigger sweet spot although it isn't much bigger. The speed pro feels more muted overall, but that is not a sweet spot. But that's my experience.
Interesting, I can't say I agree but maybe it's because there's one clear area in the Gravity's sweet spot that feels much sweeter than the rest, whereas the Speed doesn't have that same super sweet zone to me.
@@RacketsRunnersVancouver head even marketed the gravity as the stock with the biggest sweet spot. They called it massive sweet spot in their introduction and generally the sweet spot size is mostly defined by the width of the head at the contact area in combination with twist stability and a little bit the string pattern/ density. Maybe lack of quality control resulted in a lower twist weight which negatively impacts the twist stability which gives a feeling of a smaller sweet spot. 1 point of twist weight is a huge difference in twist stability, as i experimented. So maybe by lack of quality control your speed had a higher twist weight than average and the gravity a lower than average. In that case the twist stability of the speed feels better than the gravity and give you a feeling of a bigger sweet spot. It's hard to say what the root cause is. But based on the other attributes and head's marketing the gravity should have the bigger sweet spot on paper and according to my experience with my gravity pro and speed pro (which i had the last 3 iterations of) for me the gravity has the bigger sweet spot. The speed head feels now rigid because of the 3 additional mm in the beam, but that is not sweet spot, but rigidness of the head. The gravity head plane can deform a little bit more than the speed head plane. The rackets flex differently as you said. The speed flexes more in the neck, while the gravity flexes more linear over the whole length of the racket.
Ergo, the gravity with 20mm beam will flutter faster than the speed with 23mm beam
@@LarzB Yes, I completely agree with you on the twist weight side of things the Gravity is higher than the Speed.
It's just, like you said, with those 3 extra mm of thickness the Speed, and that modern shape/flex is so much less fluttery than the Gravity on off centre hits, that it just makes for a bigger feeling "sweet spot" to me although, I guess, technically that wouldn't be considered the sweet spot since it is an off centre hit. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the Speed is a more forgiving racket, IMO and the Gravity more precise and sweet.
@@RacketsRunnersVancouver totally agree on that
Pro Staff v 14 6.1 100 v Babolat Strike 100
I'd like to but we don't cary either at the moment.
@RacquetsRunnersVancouver (Luka) after a year now and more testing, has your opinion on these two change any?
In my case, I got both. I ended up selling Gravity Pro because it was too sluggish on spin shots (kick serve, top spin forehand) and too low on the shot angle.
I stuck with Speed Pro and it has been my main frame. It is, in my opinion, a players’ frame trineer - spin, power, control.
I wouldn't say my opinion has changed much, but I agree with most of what you're saying.
2023 Yonex vcore 98 vs. pure aero 98
Check this out: ua-cam.com/video/7DJSSFz7UtY/v-deo.html
she was a speed pro, I was a gravity pro
If only they made a 90 or 95 sqi Gravity.
That would be a very interesting racket to try.
Try the Head Auxetic Prestige Tour. It’ll blow your mind. Don’t string it above 51lbs though. The plow through and flex are amazing. 95sq inches, 335-340 swing weight, but very maneuverable. It’s not for the faint of heart though. It’s made for advanced players that can swing fast, serve big, and know how to move the ball around the court with ease. Enjoy!
The Gravity seems to be an imitation of the Yonex Vcore Pro
Woah, I don't know about that! Two great rackets but very different in their own right.
@@RacketsRunnersVancouverI was actually looking to see if there was any comments between this two racquets. How would you say they are different? Currently have a Vcore Pro HD (2019), when I bought it my other option was the Gravity. Now that I'm looking (dreaming?😅) of a replacement I was almost sure of the Speed pro but after watching this I felt the Gravity seems more similar to my Yonex, thoughts?
Side note, I spend too many hours watching tennis channels in UA-cam and for the first time one of your videos popped up. Just subscribed!🎉
What strings are those on the Speed Pro?
Head lynx tour.
@@RacketsRunnersVancouver thanks!