Very well thought vehicle with coils, built in switches, wirings options, dual batteries, good power output from the motor, good payloads, cabin comfort, solid axles, i think this thing is the go, cant wait for the first portal axle on this vehicle in Australia
I love listening to Aussies talk about off-roaders. Always knowledgeable and you guys genuinely put the vehicles to proper use! Greetings from Safrica.
These are without a doubt the best available touring 4wd. The Toyota fanboys will come around eventually. Will be good once the aftermarket support for it grows too.
But as a self-confessed Toyota fanboy, I’ll admit we can be a stubborn bunch! Once the aftermarket catches up and we start seeing some killer mods, even the die-hards might have to give it a nod.
I feel like this is the best thing out right now. The B58 is already proving to be bulletproof if left alone. My only concern is the steering. I feel like they have done everything else so well, it has been long enough to do something about so much play in the wheel.
Great review and those who own or have driven seem extremely impressed. They look awesome and are solid. Have dealt with Ignition in Brisbane and they are also superb, great team so happy to see they have partnered with Ineos. Very pleased to see 'The Grenadier' is here. A tough rugid built for purpose vehicle !
Thanks for the kind words! We couldn’t agree more-Ignition in Brisbane is top-notch, and we’re stoked they’ve partnered with Ineos. The Grenadier is shaping up to be a real game-changer.
Appears the driveshafts & differentials are SIGNIFICANTLY more robust than the Puma Defender's they are based upon. Replacing the problematic LT230 T/C is a great move too. Worth consideration for sure.
You guys up on Brisbane are lucky to have a good sized dealer. I called in to the Adelaide dealer a couple of weeks ago and it was a sad thing. Only one INEOS car in the back parking lot. No branding/presence. AND - the salesperson told me they are relinquishing the dealership in January. So I'm very wary about getting one without any local support :(
Very true. Change in Agent taking place in Adelaide. Outgoing Agent winding down, new Agent raring to go. Think you’ll see a big improvement before year end.
With that Ineos you drove it had an aluminium drop side tray on it and been an ex courier great for loading a pallet on from the side although retired l have kept my last ute lused up until l retired and it has an aluminium tray
Sounds like you’ve got a setup that’s stood the test of time! An aluminum tray is a solid choice-lightweight, durable, and perfect for all those side-loading jobs.
Hey, mate, I saw a video in here, to lift the Grenadier, you just gave to Changebover shocks/ springs. I think Monroe Shocks company gave a part number for this great car mate 🇦🇺💪👌
Great looking vehicle with many good features, including discs all round ( take note Triton, BT50, Hilux etc ) ! The only thing I don't particularly like is the fuse box and batteries under the rear seat. Can you imagine being loaded up for a big expedition with tons of " shit " on the back seat, and blow a fuse ! 🤣
It's about time more 4WDs got the memo about disc brakes! That's why I like the Quartermaster, you have a tray for all your gear. At least the battery and fuses are protected from water.
Its been pleasant to my eyes seeing it on the road however, i wish the put an actual speedometer cluster in front of the driver and definitely make a manual transmission or at least redesign the BMW shift knob. Also making washable floor without waterproofing the fuses box under the seat just doesn't make sense. Everything else pretty much beautiful and nice to see in this era of trucks and cars.. cheers ❤
Glad to hear you like it! The speedo location does take some getting used to. As for the fuse box, it's safely tucked away under the seat. Thanks for watching!
As a guy who’s been following this vehicle since its announcement, that is probably what has disappointed me the most. I just can’t stand having to look at the middle of the car for the speed. It’s so annoying lol.
Still way too early to crack a stiffy over this yet. Give it a few years and then maybe start baring up a bit. Patrols & Cruiser have both stood the test of time and only in time will we really know what value this offers in the way of holding it's price, withstanding hard yacker on the hill and up riverbeds and all the other challenging places we like to throw our utes. Still looks dam sweet.
The Patrols and Cruisers have earned their stripes over the years, and only time will tell if this one can hang with the big boys. But I’ve got to admit, I’m keen to see how it holds up when the going gets tough!
@@BAWAutomotive good review btw 🥳 Could you do a review for Ursa Motors? With the 1350/660mm tyres at only 32,000€? Compared to the Ineos’s price and capabilities.
Could you, please, tell me what's the name of the color of the Quartermaster at 12:05? The blue one on the lift? It doesn't look like either Shale Blue or Eldoret Blue available today. It's kinda in between.
What is the fuel tank capacity? Is there a LARGE capacity fuel tank available ? Can any low mount winch be fitted ? I have heard lifting these vehicles greater than 40mm causes wheel shimmy and drive line vibration due to short trailing arms.
I’m sure they will be good but not quite yet. Keen to get one but after they sort out all the bugs. The only experience I’ve had with them is a mate and his has spent months under warranty. Good thing is they gave him a loaner so save the kms on his, that said he is planning to sell as soon as he gets it back. Look at the seating position, shoulder hard against to pillar. I can say unless you have very narrow shoulders it is really uncomfortable
Great intro to this vehicle,as with all things new it will take time for the Toyota fanboys to come round to something new, yes Toyota is very much in the DNA of the country like land rover is in England I for one drive a discovery 2 which I brought new 24 years ago and with this new vehicle I'll be buying one.
Will be interesting how the BMW stuff lasts. Apparently one of the better donks, trans but usually their stuff is dodgy after a few years-leaks etc Apparently the injectors fail from using standard diesel...
It’s a totally cool vehicle, and someday there should be hopefully some good aftermarket support I think the vehicle would look awesome and have much more off-road capability with a 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 inch lift kit and 37 inch tires eight 10,000+ pound winch, and a little better lighting, the problem is very limited on dealers people are buying these things and have to drive up words to 1000 miles to get their vehicle serviced or warranty work, Here in Northern California if you wanted to purchase one you would have to go to Southern California upwards of 500 miles just to get #Warranty work done, and the tariff that Hass to be paid on this vehicle it’s too much money you can buy a jeep gladiator and modify it for less than the cost of this vehicle, the steering is weird and very busy driving down the road, but it is a nice vehicle and very unique I would just hate to be out in the middle of nowhere and have an issue and not be able to get parts.
Yeah, would love to see them kitted out with a big lift and big tires. Hopefully more dealer locations come with time, we're in a similar situation in Australia
Pretty sure they are asking 125k aud + for these things, lol. Cool factor was you cann option bullbars and etc from manufacturer to keep your warranty.but then he didnt state if its unlimited kms warranty or only 200,000km. If your 4wd and going the distance youll easily do 50-70,000km a year in australia.
With the spare taking up room in the tub is there any room to mount it up under the back tray? Just seems like as missed opportunity with load space suffering.
Toyota tax plus ARB tax for the 70 series, I’m yet to see a 70 series within 2yrs which hasn’t had $20K + spent on it. The grenadier has most of upgrades done from factory. The BMW engine has proven reliability. Keep the service up and they are reliable. For myself I wouldn’t buy an agricultural/ industrial vehicle trying to make it into something it’s not and changing it for touring and towing. Buy the vehicle with the most value and standard fitment all match and have been tested together.
History is on the side of toyota, reliability and ruggedness are its hallmark. Test this same vehicle after 10years of use then 20 and then we can all see if thus vehicle has graduated to legend status. Personally I doubt it. Engine choice, double turbo V6, won't make the grade.
except for parts and service in the middle of nowhere, and thats the biggest difference. Parts for toyota are falling out of trees and service is on every corner like McDonalds
@BAWAutomotive it's happened, defender won nearly everything, it was the 200 series and 300 I've seen. Not the 70 series utes, but same drive line and gear
Why is a lot of things changing man? It's one of life's greatest mysteries. Haha. We aren't sure on that one. We only deal with the wonderful Brisbane crew at Ignition.
Parts and Accessories are two main concerns for 4x4 enthusiasts. This vehicle ticks the accessories department but has some doubts in the supply of its parts. If Toyota keeps treating the 70 series as a low class vehicle in its lineup, then the Ineos Granadier will takeover this market.
Aside from body parts made by Ineos…what parts are you mostly concerned about? The myriad of Bosch, Siemens, Hengst, Febi, Behr and Mann parts in the BMW engine?
Raises the bar in features and potential but also features on the list of worlds least reliable vehicle and most complained about by owners. Great for getting in to the bush, but will it get you out? Probably not.
Sure, it's early days, but they’re off to a strong start. Sometimes you’ve got to give the new kid on the block a chance to prove what it can really do!
Appreciate the content however I was hoping for a critical review opposed to pseudo sponsored content. Cheers. ps: I'm considering buying one so comments are certainly not coming from a Ineos detractor.
This isn’t a sponsored video. This is our personal review on a demonstrator vehicle that was kindly leant to us by ignition car centre for a few hours. As 4X4 enthusiasts we would be keen to test it more in real world scenarios if it was our own vehicle
@@BAWAutomotiveB58 has been around for over 8 years, have seen a few with over 300k on the clock (5/7 series Limo services in Europe), ZF8 is the best gearbox currently available and has been around for over a decade. You have the B58 + ZF8 in every single country.
It’s really funny to watch how people try to sell glass for the price of diamonds. Nothing has changed in human stupidity when a few extra buttons and shiny trifles distract attention from what really matters. The Ineos Grenadier could potentially be a good vehicle, but only at least in 10 years, when equipped with a Toyota engine, reliability, and parts & service leveled with Toyota. The rest is just pure speculation and manipulation.
Thanks good it doesn’t have an underpowered Toyota engine. B58/57 are much better than anything Toyota offered in the last 10 years. Even Toyota deemed it better than its own and installed it in the Supra.
@@miguelosterroht Let's me educate you. Purpose and Design: Toyota Supra: The Supra is a sports car designed primarily for on-road performance. It is built for speed, agility, and handling on paved roads and tracks. The focus is on aerodynamics, a low center of gravity, and a stiff chassis to enhance driving dynamics. Off-Road Vehicles: Off-road vehicles are designed to handle rough, uneven terrain, including mud, rocks, sand, and steep inclines. They are typically built with higher ground clearance, rugged suspension systems, and more durable components to withstand harsh conditions. Off-road vehicles prioritize durability, traction, and the ability to navigate challenging environments over speed and on-road handling. Requirements for an Off-Road Engine: An engine for an off-road vehicle must meet several specific requirements to handle the demands of off-road driving: Durability and Reliability: Off-road engines must be built to withstand harsh conditions, including dust, water, and extreme temperatures. They need to be robust and reliable, as breakdowns in remote areas can be dangerous. Engines should be designed with durable materials and reinforced components, such as heavy-duty gaskets and seals, to prevent damage from debris and environmental factors. Torque: Off-road driving often requires high torque at low RPMs to power through challenging terrain, such as climbing steep hills or navigating through mud and sand. An off-road engine should provide ample low-end torque to keep the vehicle moving steadily in difficult conditions. Diesel engines are popular in off-road vehicles due to their high torque output at low RPMs, which is ideal for off-road use. Cooling System: Off-road vehicles may operate in environments where temperatures fluctuate dramatically, and engines may be subjected to extended periods of high load. A robust cooling system is essential to prevent overheating during prolonged off-road use. Off-road engines often feature larger radiators, additional cooling fans, and oil coolers to manage the heat generated during demanding driving conditions. Water and Dust Resistance: Off-road engines should be designed to resist water and dust ingress. This includes sealed air intakes, waterproof electrical components, and protective coverings to prevent water from entering the engine during river crossings or heavy rains. Some off-road vehicles are equipped with snorkels, which raise the air intake above the vehicle's roofline to allow for deeper water crossings. Fuel Efficiency and Range: Off-road vehicles are often used in remote areas where refueling opportunities are limited. Therefore, engines should be fuel-efficient and paired with large fuel tanks to extend the vehicle's range. Some off-road vehicles are equipped with dual fuel tanks or have options for carrying additional fuel. Maintenance Accessibility: Off-road vehicles need to be easy to repair in the field, so engines should be designed with maintenance accessibility in mind. This includes the ability to perform basic repairs and maintenance with minimal tools and equipment. Off-road engines should have robust and straightforward designs to facilitate quick repairs and troubleshooting in remote locations. Conclusion While the Toyota Supra is a finely tuned sports car built for on-road performance, off-road vehicles are engineered to excel in rugged, unpredictable environments. Off-road engines need to be durable, reliable, and capable of delivering high torque at low speeds, all while being able to withstand extreme conditions. These requirements are quite different from those of an engine designed for a high-performance sports car like the Supra. So, what was the reason to mention Supra in your comment?
The tub body looks shit, but with a nice Aussie tray it looks great. We just ordered a new dual cab cruiser for work- $120k for a bloody Hilux motor what a joke 😂. I’ve owned a bunch of Landcruisers but I’ll never buy a new one
Interesting watch. Never seen your channel before and not to disparage the Grenadier but you don't seem to have driven a lot of variety in 4x4 utes in recent years. Possibly you were a 70 series fanboy in the past? Factory options already done by other brands - Auxilary switches and wiring - Heated Seats - Bucket leather seas - Steel bar - Winch - LED Headlights - Front and rear lockers - In floor drain bungs These are good things but ALL were available before INEOS came along.
As you've said you've never seen this channel before so your assumption is already pretty wrong since it's just based on this one video. This channel is primarily a video showing the builds they do. That being said, he has a lot of experience with other 4x4 utes and wagons, years of experience with all sorts of them as he works with them and has owned a few himself. Perhaps watch more of his videos before saying "it seems" on the very first video you see.
Which vehicles in this class offer: Pre-wiring under bonnet, footwells, roof, rear luggage area. In the harness, fused & ready to use? Homologated, crashed tested, fully integrated front-winch with a 5 year warranty? Recaro seats ex-factory. 5 drain plugs & IP rated interior. Dual battery kit ex-factory. Front-centre-rear diff locks ex-factory. Water separator on Diesel ex-factory. All warranted, serviceable items. Difficult to find anything that brings all this together at this price point. And, without paying LCT.
@@hocevarjustin Asking for another vehicle to have Recaro seats is like hilux drivers asking for another vehicle with a Toyota badge. The brand isn't a feature.
@@livintherealworld everyone will have their own opinion on what tier 1 auto suppliers they value. However brands like, let’s say Bosch, Brembo, Eibach, Bilstien, ZF, Tremec, Carraro & Recaro (all used by INEOS) stand for something. Or engineering partners like Magna, who do/have contract manufacture for MB, BMW, Toyota. Their heritage, their R&D, engineering & quality expertise, their end users…. These all amount to something that most reasonable enthusiasts would value over a cheap widget from an unknown source. IMO, this is where INEOS have excelled, through an uncompromising commitment to using the best of the best tier 1 suppliers & as much as possible carry over existing / tested / proven components. Anyway, we all have our opinions. Better to have discussion about a new contender than sweep it aside with disregard.
Drove from Mackay to Townsville for the weekend, and there were 2 on the side of the road with the bonnet up. 😂😂 On another thing where is the closest dealer.
You obviously owned or own both, can you tell me why the 70 is king. I’m trying to decide which one to go for. I’ve had my 80 for 19 years and my fj for 4years, they are now sold. I’m looking at the 70 and grenadier at the moment. Would be happy for some input.
Yeah thats totally incorrect. They have taken oveer 10 years to come to market and were die hard defender drivers. Backed by a BIllionare from Britain, they have planned everything to a T. People said the same thing about Toyota in the 70's then Hyndai in the 2000's, look at them now.
@@bvelite7321 ok you have your own interpretation. To be fair they do seem better organised than the Russians. Having their own engine might set them apart from Hyundai though. I went to look at one at our local dealer like a ghost town. Sure it’s got potential but buyers want confidence and I just see a billionaires dream . I really want it to work . Time will tell
@@BAWAutomotive definitely waiting for a better representation in my rural area. The price tag is high and you can expect to pay more as an early buyer, more vehicles on the ground may support a better entry price and dealer support. 100% agree wait and see
The DIesel and Petrol choices are used in so many BMW its not an issue. Servcing on these is not difficult and they chose the engines for a reason. The diesel is bulletproof.
We’ll see about the engine being very reliable. Winning awards doesn’t mean it’s reliable and durable in the long term. If it is, it will go against a multi decade run of engines that become high maintenance once they’ve done a few miles.
Parts warehouse in Melbourne. Same as Toyota, Nissan & others. >$10m in P&A inventory in stock. P&A stock also in 30 Agents. Parts supply good & constantly getting better.
I was considering this car as my next off-road vehicle. After thorough research, reading feedback from real customers, and testing the vehicle myself, I decided to go with the Toyota 70 series. I don’t want to say too much, but it’s more of a bucket of trouble than a reliable off-road vehicle. Here is just one of many: ua-cam.com/video/QsKHs2g-Xiw/v-deo.htmlsi=91-2x5O9pxyqYILv
Did you not watch the video and any of the other Canny videos? He raves about the Grenadier. Maybe the Rohny Dahl videos? Most of the complaints was the launch vehicles which all have been corrected.
@@peopleschamp7258 I have watched them, and not just them. I also have my own knowledge, experience, and practical skills, which is why I can form my own opinion. Regarding Ronny Dahl, he would be the last person I’d listen to because he relies heavily on sponsor money, and most of his videos are nothing but continuous low-quality ads. He is a showman not an expert or even qualified specialist. On the other hand the objective reality is that I know real owners who have problems with their vehicles that cannot be properly or quickly identified. The most important issue is that once the problems are identified, it takes weeks or months to fix them. I don’t mind that the Grenadier could potentially be a good vehicle, but that could take decades. Unfortunately, I have only one life, and I am living it now. I need a vehicle to enjoy driving and traveling, not constantly fixing it or waiting for spare parts.
@@peopleschamp7258 Ronny Dahl is the last person I would listen to. What's the reason to listen to a guy who lives on sponsorships with zero engineering degrees or professional skills in the area? He's just another showman with scripted talk for money. Instead, I believe my own eyes and other owners of this nonsense. I have no doubt that potentially in 10 or 20 years, Ineos could be a good car, even better than any Land Cruiser. But I also have no doubt that this brand will not survive by that time.
@australia-ukraine mate, I'm sorry. I didn't look at the username when I replied. I would never make a comment. You spend so much time watching Ineos videos and posting nonsense. I ve gone rounds with you on the comment section before, and you just spew more garbage than anyone on here. But I do love that you post a video from one person, but then day you won't watch a video from another poster because they like the spotlight. You are delusional.
Certainly raises the bar for 4x4's. Really interested in this one.
Yeah, it's good to see some serious competition!
Very well thought vehicle with coils, built in switches, wirings options, dual batteries, good power output from the motor, good payloads, cabin comfort, solid axles, i think this thing is the go, cant wait for the first portal axle on this vehicle in Australia
We'd love to see that too!
a little will ago, Marks4WD posted an Ineos Grenadier and I was hoping it was a hint at a future portal kit for them.
Every company started from somewhere and had to prove them selves. Maybe think about that…
LE Tech in Germany have a portal kit already
Was never a fan of the LandCruisers, but this takes the cake. WOULD BUY in a heartbeat.
It’s not a bad option :)
I love listening to Aussies talk about off-roaders. Always knowledgeable and you guys genuinely put the vehicles to proper use!
Greetings from Safrica.
Howzit boet! Thanks for the kind words. Really appreciate it!
You can roll the ineos and not die, another interesting feature
How good! Can't wait to test this
These are without a doubt the best available touring 4wd. The Toyota fanboys will come around eventually.
Will be good once the aftermarket support for it grows too.
But as a self-confessed Toyota fanboy, I’ll admit we can be a stubborn bunch! Once the aftermarket catches up and we start seeing some killer mods, even the die-hards might have to give it a nod.
I have a hilux and a landcruiser, and I plan on adding one of these in the future.
I think you LC femboys😅
Great to see a true off-roader. Looks ready to wheel and do it comfortably.
I know right. True rugged 4x4s are few and far between these days
I feel like this is the best thing out right now. The B58 is already proving to be bulletproof if left alone.
My only concern is the steering. I feel like they have done everything else so well, it has been long enough to do something about so much play in the wheel.
The Grenadier’s got a lot going for it, but the steering takes a bit to get used too
Now you got me leaning forward, this is going to be very interesting. Well done mate.
Glad to hear it! Keen to see where this platform goes in the future. Thanks for watching
best review, really looks at the vehicle, with good comments.
Thanks for watching!
That footwell floor intrusion is massive😮
Have driven & honestly it's not an issue at all.
Yeah, it is. But not super noticeable
Not a problem at all... after 30,000 K, it is just fine, thank you
Great review and those who own or have driven seem extremely impressed. They look awesome and are solid. Have dealt with Ignition in Brisbane and they are also superb, great team so happy to see they have partnered with Ineos. Very pleased to see 'The Grenadier' is here. A tough rugid built for purpose vehicle !
Thanks for the kind words! We couldn’t agree more-Ignition in Brisbane is top-notch, and we’re stoked they’ve partnered with Ineos. The Grenadier is shaping up to be a real game-changer.
It is a game changer that beast, look out LandCruiser !!
Watch out LandCruiser, there's a new kid on the block
Yep agree its a beast 100%
big lol!!!!!!
Great review.
Cheers, mate! Thanks for watching
Definitely put a bash / skid plate on it ... that would get hooked up
Absolutely, mate! Better safe than sorry when you’re tackling the hardcore tracks!
I am looking forward to seeing one of those modified and 35s with portal axel
SAME!!
Mercedes g professional had all of that ages ago . The winch lights and dual battery setup already in place
Yeah, a true offroader!
I’ve got one. It’s awesome. Would buy it again.
Can you buy us one?
@@BAWAutomotive ha! I’m still working out how to pay for mine!! 😅
This is amazing, Will eventually be my next car.
Nice! Bet you can't wait to see it in your driveway!
Appears the driveshafts & differentials are SIGNIFICANTLY more robust than the Puma Defender's they are based upon. Replacing the problematic LT230 T/C is a great move too. Worth consideration for sure.
Absolutely, they’ve taken the Defender’s DNA and rebuilt it from the ground up into something even better.
You guys up on Brisbane are lucky to have a good sized dealer.
I called in to the Adelaide dealer a couple of weeks ago and it was a sad thing. Only one INEOS car in the back parking lot. No branding/presence. AND - the salesperson told me they are relinquishing the dealership in January.
So I'm very wary about getting one without any local support :(
Very true. Change in Agent taking place in Adelaide. Outgoing Agent winding down, new Agent raring to go. Think you’ll see a big improvement before year end.
@hocevarjustin OK - well that's good to hear. Any hints as to who the new agent will be?
@@spudboy1328hopefully announcement will come very soon.
Sorry to hear that. Hopefully there's a new better agent coming to your area soon.
With that Ineos you drove it had an aluminium drop side tray on it and been an ex courier great for loading a pallet on from the side although retired l have kept my last ute lused up until l retired and it has an aluminium tray
Sounds like you’ve got a setup that’s stood the test of time! An aluminum tray is a solid choice-lightweight, durable, and perfect for all those side-loading jobs.
Hey, mate, I saw a video in here, to lift the Grenadier, you just gave to Changebover shocks/ springs. I think Monroe Shocks company gave a part number for this great car mate 🇦🇺💪👌
Yeah, that's correct. You only need to change the springs, not the shocks for a 35mm lift
I also saw a jeep wrangler rubicon with recon package with 35s from factory might just be a US model tho looks sick 🇦🇺🇺🇸
Great looking vehicle with many good features, including discs all round ( take note Triton, BT50, Hilux etc ) !
The only thing I don't particularly like is the fuse box and batteries under the rear seat. Can you imagine being loaded up for a big expedition with tons of " shit " on the back seat, and blow a fuse ! 🤣
It's about time more 4WDs got the memo about disc brakes!
That's why I like the Quartermaster, you have a tray for all your gear. At least the battery and fuses are protected from water.
Check out LeTech Portal axles for the Grenadier.
Looked into them when making this video
Its been pleasant to my eyes seeing it on the road however, i wish the put an actual speedometer cluster in front of the driver and definitely make a manual transmission or at least redesign the BMW shift knob. Also making washable floor without waterproofing the fuses box under the seat just doesn't make sense. Everything else pretty much beautiful and nice to see in this era of trucks and cars.. cheers ❤
You can get a shifter from the Supra fitted (the mod is on YT), and if you're washing the floor and wetting the fuses you're doing it wrong 😅
Glad to hear you like it! The speedo location does take some getting used to. As for the fuse box, it's safely tucked away under the seat. Thanks for watching!
As a guy who’s been following this vehicle since its announcement, that is probably what has disappointed me the most. I just can’t stand having to look at the middle of the car for the speed. It’s so annoying lol.
Still way too early to crack a stiffy over this yet. Give it a few years and then maybe start baring up a bit. Patrols & Cruiser have both stood the test of time and only in time will we really know what value this offers in the way of holding it's price, withstanding hard yacker on the hill and up riverbeds and all the other challenging places we like to throw our utes. Still looks dam sweet.
The Patrols and Cruisers have earned their stripes over the years, and only time will tell if this one can hang with the big boys. But I’ve got to admit, I’m keen to see how it holds up when the going gets tough!
Have they managed to get the tail lights working on the tray without throwing fault codes ?
Don't remember having that issue with the one we drove
Dude, Power Wagon has a winch from Factory, so Ineos it’s not the only one. Or Ursa Motors
Thanks, mate. We stand corrected.
@@BAWAutomotive good review btw 🥳 Could you do a review for Ursa Motors? With the 1350/660mm tyres at only 32,000€? Compared to the Ineos’s price and capabilities.
Could you, please, tell me what's the name of the color of the Quartermaster at 12:05? The blue one on the lift? It doesn't look like either Shale Blue or Eldoret Blue available today. It's kinda in between.
That’s Shale Blue! It can look a bit different depending on the lighting
@@BAWAutomotive Wow. A bit? It looks completely different. I guess it's the shop lighting or something. Thanks for responding!
What is the fuel tank capacity? Is there a LARGE capacity fuel tank available ?
Can any low mount winch be fitted ?
I have heard lifting these vehicles greater than 40mm causes wheel shimmy and drive line vibration due to short trailing arms.
It's a 90L fuel tank from factory. Brown Davis does a 68L auxiliary long range fuel tank, adding up to 158L.
Yeah, we've heard that too.
I’m sure they will be good but not quite yet. Keen to get one but after they sort out all the bugs. The only experience I’ve had with them is a mate and his has spent months under warranty. Good thing is they gave him a loaner so save the kms on his, that said he is planning to sell as soon as he gets it back. Look at the seating position, shoulder hard against to pillar. I can say unless you have very narrow shoulders it is really uncomfortable
Interesting feedback! Thanks for watching.
Great intro to this vehicle,as with all things new it will take time for the Toyota fanboys to come round to something new, yes Toyota is very much in the DNA of the country like land rover is in England I for one drive a discovery 2 which I brought new 24 years ago and with this new vehicle I'll be buying one.
Very true! Hopefully the Grenadier will last as long as your Disco 2
And there is a lot of plastic underneath but I’d still choose it over a land cruiser
There's a lot of plastic in modern cars these days
Toyota es Toyota, el serie 70 un indestructible V8 , insigne de la ingeniería nipona, saludos desde Chile
No hay nada mejor que la serie 70. ¡Gracias por mirar!
Will be interesting how the BMW stuff lasts. Apparently one of the better donks, trans but usually their stuff is dodgy after a few years-leaks etc
Apparently the injectors fail from using standard diesel...
Longevity and reliability is what a lot of people want and I'm not sure I'd trust a Euro vehcile for that.
It’s definitely something we’ll be keeping an eye on. Only time will tell how it handles thousands of kms, fingers crossed it proves itself!
It’s a totally cool vehicle, and someday there should be hopefully some good aftermarket support I think the vehicle would look awesome and have much more off-road capability with a 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 inch lift kit and 37 inch tires eight 10,000+ pound winch, and a little better lighting, the problem is very limited on dealers people are buying these things and have to drive up words to 1000 miles to get their vehicle serviced or warranty work, Here in Northern California if you wanted to purchase one you would have to go to Southern California upwards of 500 miles just to get #Warranty work done, and the tariff that Hass to be paid on this vehicle it’s too much money you can buy a jeep gladiator and modify it for less than the cost of this vehicle, the steering is weird and very busy driving down the road, but it is a nice vehicle and very unique I would just hate to be out in the middle of nowhere and have an issue and not be able to get parts.
Yeah, would love to see them kitted out with a big lift and big tires. Hopefully more dealer locations come with time, we're in a similar situation in Australia
Pretty sure they are asking 125k aud + for these things, lol.
Cool factor was you cann option bullbars and etc from manufacturer to keep your warranty.but then he didnt state if its unlimited kms warranty or only 200,000km. If your 4wd and going the distance youll easily do 50-70,000km a year in australia.
It is a 5 year unlimited warranty don't worry
With the spare taking up room in the tub is there any room to mount it up under the back tray? Just seems like as missed opportunity with load space suffering.
Not a bad point. Some investigating needs to happen for sure
Slightly boring question, but do you know if the rear seats fold down / forward?
The rear seats fold forward when the bases are folded up towards the back seats.
Yeah, what he said
Is this available in USA?
Yes
They sure are!
But only the petrol version.
have the timing chain issues been addressed?
Never heard of any issues on the timing chain so far?
I like it but I’m not rich enough for one
Unfortunately, all the cool cars aren't super affordable
Maybe also need a small /basic 4x4 aswell ? 50 -60 grand 4 cylinder , ?
Could do a review on a ride on mower if that helps? Haha.
If I won lotto, I would purchase the trailmatter, then think i had died and gone to heaven 😅😅😅. This is absolutely amazing vehicles, 😊.
Are we confident you'd go to heaven??? Haha. Jokes. Hoping your numbers come up mate. Thanks for watching.
Huh, the Land Cruiser now has a 4 cylinder
Yeah, that’s the identity crisis. That it's no longer a V8
Is it the same small fuel tank as the wagon or upgraded?
@@Byaltair same, 67lt aftermarket tank is available
Yes. Brown Davis does have a 68L auxiliary long range tank for the Grenadier wagon. Hopefully they'll make one for the Quartermaster model too.
@BAWAutomotive Longranger have one as well, there's no reason why they shouldn't fit the QM
I’d get a quartermaster and put a canopy on it.
Yeah, I'm keen to see a Quartermaster with a canopy
Portals with CTIS, then we are talking.
YES PLEASE!!
I seen a bloke go to Japan the other day to the auctions buying near new land cruiser for 10 grand just gotta import them
*buys flights to Japan*
And now they have stopped production on them because of a critical component supplier going bust.
Yeah, heard about this. Interesting times
Reminds me of a landrover
That was the exact intent. The stated purpose was to build a better Defender. Ineos attempted to purchase the design copyright from Land Rover.
The Defender was INEOS original inspiration. Land Rover even sued INEOS because it looked too much like a defender...and lost.
Toyota tax plus ARB tax for the 70 series, I’m yet to see a 70 series within 2yrs which hasn’t had $20K + spent on it.
The grenadier has most of upgrades done from factory. The BMW engine has proven reliability. Keep the service up and they are reliable.
For myself I wouldn’t buy an agricultural/ industrial vehicle trying to make it into something it’s not and changing it for touring and towing.
Buy the vehicle with the most value and standard fitment all match and have been tested together.
Value for money and well-tested components-hard to argue with that logic!
Check pricing for a reality check that makes them made out of unabtainium.
Yep, unfortunately, cars are getting pricier across the board these days.
History is on the side of toyota, reliability and ruggedness are its hallmark. Test this same vehicle after 10years of use then 20 and then we can all see if thus vehicle has graduated to legend status. Personally I doubt it. Engine choice, double turbo V6, won't make the grade.
Exactly only time will tell.
Ticks all the boxes for What Australian 4x4 people want
Yeah. it's a real 4x4 enthusiasts car
except for parts and service in the middle of nowhere, and thats the biggest difference.
Parts for toyota are falling out of trees and service is on every corner like McDonalds
Grand Wagonier or better!
Haven't driven a Grand Wagoneer, so I'd have to say better
Way better value, performance and features than a 79' series. Also made in a robust way.
70 series has a competition coming!
It's hideous to be fair, especially the interior. Toyo fanboys are gonna love it 🤣🤣🤣
It's got more than one cup holder, that's all the 70 series fanboys need hahaha
@@BAWAutomotive haha..nailed it
Manual option for us please
That would be a nice option for some off roaders. But the auto isn't bad.
Defender still wins
I'd like to see this head to head off-road with a Defender and 70 series
@BAWAutomotive it's happened, defender won nearly everything, it was the 200 series and 300 I've seen. Not the 70 series utes, but same drive line and gear
Why is the dealership in ADELAIDE CLOSING 😮
Why is a lot of things changing man? It's one of life's greatest mysteries. Haha. We aren't sure on that one. We only deal with the wonderful Brisbane crew at Ignition.
Adelaide Agent & INEOS agreed to part company in Adelaide. Same Agent maintains their presence in Darwin. INEOS appointing a new Agent in Adelaide.
Looks like a defender, I want one
Because that's what it is.
It was based off the old Defenders. Land Rover filed a lawsuit against Ineos bc it looked too similar to the Defender...and lost
@@BAWAutomotive Yay!
Awesome price 154k 😅 great value right 🎉
Depends what you want in a vehicle and what upgrades you want to do. Very much an each to their own scenario, I guess. As with most things in life.
Short answer, NO, the BMW mill will never be as reliable
It might not hit Toyota levels of reliability, but it could definitely hold its own against the rest of the competition. Only time will tell!
You keep telling us about features but you don't show us. Mncm 😊
We're keen to see it in action, and we'll show you when we do
Great vehicle but i think the BMW engine will be its Achilles heal over the long run
Interesting point. Time will tell.
Hopefully drive down the price of a flogged cruiser👍
Here's hoping
Do they make a single cab tray back yet no one seems to make a practical work vehicle any more that's affordable
There's no single cab, but there is a cab chassis model
Parts and Accessories are two main concerns for 4x4 enthusiasts.
This vehicle ticks the accessories department but has some doubts in the supply of its parts.
If Toyota keeps treating the 70 series as a low class vehicle in its lineup, then the Ineos Granadier will takeover this market.
Toyota doesn't seem to care as much about the 70 Series as INEOS does about the Grenadier. Only time will tell.
Aside from body parts made by Ineos…what parts are you mostly concerned about?
The myriad of Bosch, Siemens, Hengst, Febi, Behr and Mann parts in the BMW engine?
Would take the twin turbo petrol over a 70 anyday
Can't disagree.
Hell no 😂
Not with bmw engine under the hood
Fair enough, hasn't proven itself like the 70 series
Raises the bar in features and potential but also features on the list of worlds least reliable vehicle and most complained about by owners. Great for getting in to the bush, but will it get you out? Probably not.
Sure, it's early days, but they’re off to a strong start. Sometimes you’ve got to give the new kid on the block a chance to prove what it can really do!
Appreciate the content however I was hoping for a critical review opposed to pseudo sponsored content. Cheers. ps: I'm considering buying one so comments are certainly not coming from a Ineos detractor.
This isn’t a sponsored video. This is our personal review on a demonstrator vehicle that was kindly leant to us by ignition car centre for a few hours. As 4X4 enthusiasts we would be keen to test it more in real world scenarios if it was our own vehicle
@@BAWAutomotive In that case I see no reason why you weren't able to provide a critical review. Maybe something to consider for the future. Cheers
Interior designed by an aircraft engineer?
Only thing missing is the "fasten seatbelt" sign
Onions is great in theory but come on, BMW motor and gearbox along with the same cost to service - no thanks!
The gear box is zf which is in almost every vehicles. The bmw had won awards for durability and even toyots uses it.
It's not a bad engine, gearbox combo. Only time will tell if it can prove itself in this off-road application
@@BAWAutomotiveB58 has been around for over 8 years, have seen a few with over 300k on the clock (5/7 series Limo services in Europe), ZF8 is the best gearbox currently available and has been around for over a decade.
You have the B58 + ZF8 in every single country.
Obviously can’t afford one lol
You bought one.
Maybe...maybe not
Short answer, no haha
Longer answer, it really depends...but maybe
It’s really funny to watch how people try to sell glass for the price of diamonds. Nothing has changed in human stupidity when a few extra buttons and shiny trifles distract attention from what really matters. The Ineos Grenadier could potentially be a good vehicle, but only at least in 10 years, when equipped with a Toyota engine, reliability, and parts & service leveled with Toyota. The rest is just pure speculation and manipulation.
Thanks good it doesn’t have an underpowered Toyota engine.
B58/57 are much better than anything Toyota offered in the last 10 years. Even Toyota deemed it better than its own and installed it in the Supra.
We love a few extra shiny...squirrel. Sorry we got distracted. It's each to their own. Good to have choices
@@miguelosterroht Let's me educate you.
Purpose and Design:
Toyota Supra: The Supra is a sports car designed primarily for on-road performance. It is built for speed, agility, and handling on paved roads and tracks. The focus is on aerodynamics, a low center of gravity, and a stiff chassis to enhance driving dynamics.
Off-Road Vehicles: Off-road vehicles are designed to handle rough, uneven terrain, including mud, rocks, sand, and steep inclines. They are typically built with higher ground clearance, rugged suspension systems, and more durable components to withstand harsh conditions. Off-road vehicles prioritize durability, traction, and the ability to navigate challenging environments over speed and on-road handling.
Requirements for an Off-Road Engine:
An engine for an off-road vehicle must meet several specific requirements to handle the demands of off-road driving:
Durability and Reliability:
Off-road engines must be built to withstand harsh conditions, including dust, water, and extreme temperatures. They need to be robust and reliable, as breakdowns in remote areas can be dangerous.
Engines should be designed with durable materials and reinforced components, such as heavy-duty gaskets and seals, to prevent damage from debris and environmental factors.
Torque:
Off-road driving often requires high torque at low RPMs to power through challenging terrain, such as climbing steep hills or navigating through mud and sand. An off-road engine should provide ample low-end torque to keep the vehicle moving steadily in difficult conditions.
Diesel engines are popular in off-road vehicles due to their high torque output at low RPMs, which is ideal for off-road use.
Cooling System:
Off-road vehicles may operate in environments where temperatures fluctuate dramatically, and engines may be subjected to extended periods of high load. A robust cooling system is essential to prevent overheating during prolonged off-road use.
Off-road engines often feature larger radiators, additional cooling fans, and oil coolers to manage the heat generated during demanding driving conditions.
Water and Dust Resistance:
Off-road engines should be designed to resist water and dust ingress. This includes sealed air intakes, waterproof electrical components, and protective coverings to prevent water from entering the engine during river crossings or heavy rains.
Some off-road vehicles are equipped with snorkels, which raise the air intake above the vehicle's roofline to allow for deeper water crossings.
Fuel Efficiency and Range:
Off-road vehicles are often used in remote areas where refueling opportunities are limited. Therefore, engines should be fuel-efficient and paired with large fuel tanks to extend the vehicle's range.
Some off-road vehicles are equipped with dual fuel tanks or have options for carrying additional fuel.
Maintenance Accessibility:
Off-road vehicles need to be easy to repair in the field, so engines should be designed with maintenance accessibility in mind. This includes the ability to perform basic repairs and maintenance with minimal tools and equipment.
Off-road engines should have robust and straightforward designs to facilitate quick repairs and troubleshooting in remote locations.
Conclusion
While the Toyota Supra is a finely tuned sports car built for on-road performance, off-road vehicles are engineered to excel in rugged, unpredictable environments. Off-road engines need to be durable, reliable, and capable of delivering high torque at low speeds, all while being able to withstand extreme conditions. These requirements are quite different from those of an engine designed for a high-performance sports car like the Supra.
So, what was the reason to mention Supra in your comment?
Just out of interest. How tall are you? I'm 6'7, I wonder if I would fit in it?
About 5'9. You might be able to get in, don't if you'd be comfortable tho
I probably won't be comfortable, I think. I physically can not drive a Land Rover defender. I think they're similar in size.
Recaro just went bust ?
Yes, Recaro Automotive (Germany) has filed for insolvency. Unclear how this will affect the Grenadier.
It’s not Recaro as a whole, basically a licensee manufacturer/assembler/distributor.
The tub body looks shit, but with a nice Aussie tray it looks great. We just ordered a new dual cab cruiser for work- $120k for a bloody Hilux motor what a joke 😂. I’ve owned a bunch of Landcruisers but I’ll never buy a new one
Yeah, looks great with the Norweld tray. 79 prices are crazy
Wouldn’t be hard to be a 70 series.. the 100k Ute that does everything averagely… I don’t hate em but they over rated for sure..
You're not wrong! At least the Grenadier has proper climate control and comfy seats. The 70 will always have a place in my heart tho.
@@BAWAutomotivethe 70s have climate control, it's attached to a handle on the door, you either wind it up or down depending on the climate 😂😂😂
It’s looks certainly are never going to be king of the road
Lucky looks aren't everything
At least its not a land rover
Looks like one, hopefully it's more reliable than Land Rover
Interesting watch. Never seen your channel before and not to disparage the Grenadier but you don't seem to have driven a lot of variety in 4x4 utes in recent years.
Possibly you were a 70 series fanboy in the past?
Factory options already done by other brands
- Auxilary switches and wiring
- Heated Seats
- Bucket leather seas
- Steel bar
- Winch
- LED Headlights
- Front and rear lockers
- In floor drain bungs
These are good things but ALL were available before INEOS came along.
As you've said you've never seen this channel before so your assumption is already pretty wrong since it's just based on this one video. This channel is primarily a video showing the builds they do. That being said, he has a lot of experience with other 4x4 utes and wagons, years of experience with all sorts of them as he works with them and has owned a few himself.
Perhaps watch more of his videos before saying "it seems" on the very first video you see.
@floofy117 Read into what I said however you like. The points I raised on features are still correct.
Feel free to bring your arguments to the table.
Which vehicles in this class offer:
Pre-wiring under bonnet, footwells, roof, rear luggage area. In the harness, fused & ready to use?
Homologated, crashed tested, fully integrated front-winch with a 5 year warranty?
Recaro seats ex-factory. 5 drain plugs & IP rated interior. Dual battery kit ex-factory. Front-centre-rear diff locks ex-factory. Water separator on Diesel ex-factory. All warranted, serviceable items.
Difficult to find anything that brings all this together at this price point. And, without paying LCT.
@@hocevarjustin Asking for another vehicle to have Recaro seats is like hilux drivers asking for another vehicle with a Toyota badge.
The brand isn't a feature.
@@livintherealworld everyone will have their own opinion on what tier 1 auto suppliers they value. However brands like, let’s say Bosch, Brembo, Eibach, Bilstien, ZF, Tremec, Carraro & Recaro (all used by INEOS) stand for something. Or engineering partners like Magna, who do/have contract manufacture for MB, BMW, Toyota. Their heritage, their R&D, engineering & quality expertise, their end users…. These all amount to something that most reasonable enthusiasts would value over a cheap widget from an unknown source. IMO, this is where INEOS have excelled, through an uncompromising commitment to using the best of the best tier 1 suppliers & as much as possible carry over existing / tested / proven components. Anyway, we all have our opinions. Better to have discussion about a new contender than sweep it aside with disregard.
how much were you paid to advertise ?
Didn’t see a single cent, mate-just sharing the love
Drove from Mackay to Townsville for the weekend, and there were 2 on the side of the road with the bonnet up. 😂😂
On another thing where is the closest dealer.
There’s INEOS agents in both Mackay and Townsville. 8 in QLD
Looks like a unreliable British vehicle...
It will be interesting to see how rugged they really are
@@bingysbackyard I’ve logged over 200 miles off road in Moab with my triple locked Trial Master. It’s amazingly capable.
70 series still king 👑
70 Series is a legend, the Grenadier has some good potential.
You obviously owned or own both, can you tell me why the 70 is king. I’m trying to decide which one to go for. I’ve had my 80 for 19 years and my fj for 4years, they are now sold.
I’m looking at the 70 and grenadier at the moment. Would be happy for some input.
Sounds like a boomer dinosaur that doesn't like progress😂😂😂
Nope
So is Sharon Stone
If toyota keeps treating the 70 like a second class citizen in their portfolio it will get replaced by something else in market thats for sure.
It is a shame to see Toyota treat the 70 series in recent years
Come on look at the 70 series if you keep chucking in a narrow axle with leaf springs and not see the problem you are blind!
It’s the Lada Niva of 2024, awesome but with no dealer service support won’t last a decade . Nice try though
Yeah thats totally incorrect. They have taken oveer 10 years to come to market and were die hard defender drivers. Backed by a BIllionare from Britain, they have planned everything to a T. People said the same thing about Toyota in the 70's then Hyndai in the 2000's, look at them now.
@@bvelite7321 ok you have your own interpretation. To be fair they do seem better organised than the Russians. Having their own engine might set them apart from Hyundai though. I went to look at one at our local dealer like a ghost town. Sure it’s got potential but buyers want confidence and I just see a billionaires dream . I really want it to work . Time will tell
I guess we'll just have to wait and see. But INEOS seems pretty serious about Australian market
@@BAWAutomotive definitely waiting for a better representation in my rural area. The price tag is high and you can expect to pay more as an early buyer, more vehicles on the ground may support a better entry price and dealer support. 100% agree wait and see
Test it in africa on about 100.000km and you will have the answer.
Would love to do some off-roading in Africa!
Been done (maybe not 100k) but one of the first deliveries to the UK was shipped to Cape Town and the owner drove it back to London
Very nice car but why a BMW engine....... Thats going to be a high maintenance engine when the ks built ub....
The DIesel and Petrol choices are used in so many BMW its not an issue. Servcing on these is not difficult and they chose the engines for a reason. The diesel is bulletproof.
Research the engine more, it's a very reliable and powerful one...
It's probably one of BMWs best engines. Even won Ward's 10 Best Engines four times in the US
We’ll see about the engine being very reliable. Winning awards doesn’t mean it’s reliable and durable in the long term. If it is, it will go against a multi decade run of engines that become high maintenance once they’ve done a few miles.
Nope… because when it breaks…. you gunna be waiting months for parts. Great in theory.
Parts warehouse in Melbourne. Same as Toyota, Nissan & others. >$10m in P&A inventory in stock. P&A stock also in 30 Agents.
Parts supply good & constantly getting better.
Parts availability will only get better with time. INEOS already have a warehouse in Melbourne stocking parts
Errrr No 😂
Not for you?
@@BAWAutomotive Early days, Landcruisers have a proven history, I live in outback Qld and Toyotas are the vehicles of choice for good reason.
😂😢
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I was considering this car as my next off-road vehicle. After thorough research, reading feedback from real customers, and testing the vehicle myself, I decided to go with the Toyota 70 series. I don’t want to say too much, but it’s more of a bucket of trouble than a reliable off-road vehicle. Here is just one of many: ua-cam.com/video/QsKHs2g-Xiw/v-deo.htmlsi=91-2x5O9pxyqYILv
Did you not watch the video and any of the other Canny videos? He raves about the Grenadier. Maybe the Rohny Dahl videos? Most of the complaints was the launch vehicles which all have been corrected.
@@peopleschamp7258 I have watched them, and not just them. I also have my own knowledge, experience, and practical skills, which is why I can form my own opinion. Regarding Ronny Dahl, he would be the last person I’d listen to because he relies heavily on sponsor money, and most of his videos are nothing but continuous low-quality ads. He is a showman not an expert or even qualified specialist. On the other hand the objective reality is that I know real owners who have problems with their vehicles that cannot be properly or quickly identified. The most important issue is that once the problems are identified, it takes weeks or months to fix them. I don’t mind that the Grenadier could potentially be a good vehicle, but that could take decades. Unfortunately, I have only one life, and I am living it now. I need a vehicle to enjoy driving and traveling, not constantly fixing it or waiting for spare parts.
@@peopleschamp7258 Ronny Dahl is the last person I would listen to. What's the reason to listen to a guy who lives on sponsorships with zero engineering degrees or professional skills in the area? He's just another showman with scripted talk for money. Instead, I believe my own eyes and other owners of this nonsense. I have no doubt that potentially in 10 or 20 years, Ineos could be a good car, even better than any Land Cruiser. But I also have no doubt that this brand will not survive by that time.
@australia-ukraine mate, I'm sorry. I didn't look at the username when I replied. I would never make a comment. You spend so much time watching Ineos videos and posting nonsense. I ve gone rounds with you on the comment section before, and you just spew more garbage than anyone on here. But I do love that you post a video from one person, but then day you won't watch a video from another poster because they like the spotlight. You are delusional.
No shame in choosing the 70 Series-it’s a legend for a reason! Grenadier hasn't as long as the 70 series to build a legacy of rugged reliability.
Under powered and over priced, it certainly fits the bill
YEEEWWWWW! Just how the 4x4 crew loves em.
In short - No
Too little of a company with too short history.
This vehicle is unproven still.
How many years until they can prove themselves??
No it’s not. It will take you to the Simpsons however it might not take you back.
What makes you say that?
742 Evergreen Terrace, Springfield
@@user-pp6kw6yl6z 😆
Make 4x4s great Again. So you don't think this is going to be YUGE?