As an electrical engineer and former aircraft electrician, I love the cleanliness of that install. The connectivity and functionality of it is amazing too. I need to pay off my house so I get my own Grenadier, so many great ideas and mods from Agile Off-Road. I am glad they are working with people like Fox who actually own shock dynos and aren't just worried about a number on the tape measure at the fender. I do have one safety concern after finishing the video, it isn't clear to me whether that iPad and RAM mount are clear of the passenger airbag 'throw' area. I would think someone as detail oriented as John has done the analysis on that, but thought I should mention it.
Cancelled my order when prices were eventually announced…but, man, after watching this…it's hard not to want to reverse that decision. Beautiful machine.
So, have to say, loved the Grenadier. Always wanted a Defender. Ordered two, cancelled the first, couldn’t understand the dual battery system, reordered without, but at the end looked at a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 4xe, got it for $45k, 1/2 of the Grenadier. Would have loved the Grenadier, but it can’t compete with a Jeep. Maybe later. But not for double the price.
Owning a Grenadier in Belgium I have a real interest in the integration of Switch Pros and cerbo screen in the overhead panel. Does Agile offroad ship to BE and especially is there documentation how to route the wiring through the A pillar of the Grenadier. Could not yet find out, would be so helpful and accelerate decision making :) Cheers
Any issues with the CV’s on the front axle with that lift? The pinon angle sorta sucks and I know of several that have eaten the front CV’s. Someone had a double cardon front axle made which should solve the problem.
Brad, do you ever plan to do a video focused on this trip and how the vans handled? I have been super curious how the sprinters handled up there, where they struggled, etc . I really want to make this trip again sometime ( did it in a rubicon gladiator a few years) ideally in my van. I would probably stay away from funnel given the rock gardens
Wow... someone saying the Grennie drives nice on the road. My test drives, one hand steering and turns were no problem at all, yet so many peiple seem to complain, or just expect a full on 4x4 to drive like a car.
Everyone in the US is either buying aftermarket kits from Agile, Owl, or OK4WD - or direct from manufacturers. One thing John and the Agile team do so well is integration - they work direct with suppliers and make sure it really works - then do the assembly or coordinate modification so it basically works out of the box. A lot of us have benefited from the work John and his team have done. They are running a class operation.
I have fitted the TDI Tune module which gives me a claimed 250kw and 650 nm, makes it more responsive and fuel economy id about 15% better. I've added a 120amp lithium but kept it all simple, just a BCDC charger. Complexity breeds unreliability.
The Ineos is an amazing vehicle, but the price point puts it out of most people’s purchase range. Then to put more money into it for upgrades. Ouch! Do I still want one yes.
Yeah, the most common thing I've heard from auto reviewers regarding the Ineos is the price - feature wise, it's about on par with your typical Wrangler Rubicon, but you can find those on any dealer lot in the country for $55k or less. This one is $75k+ and is much harder to find. You're paying $20k for the _exclusivity._
@@youtubecarspottersguide1you and I both know that are maybe 5 people in the entire North American continent that will actually use the payload and towing the grenadier has compared to something like a Wrangler, lol.
@@backwoodstherapy Yeah, exactly. I am going with the Gladiator for the tow and payload for the price of the vehicle. Brad was right in his choice with Doc.
Nothing looks as cool as the Grenadier, aside from a Jeep with the top and doors off. I think Land Rover shot themselves in the foot when they stopped making the Defender look like this. I mean there's a whole industry of taking older body Defenders and upgrading them to have all the features of a new vehicle and people pay like $200k for that. But on the Grenadier I'm hoping they change the engine at some point and get rid of that stupid looking shifter. It's so out of place in that really cool cockpit style.
If Land Rover had evolved the Defender every eight years or so like Jeep did with the Wrangler, this would be the Defender. Instead, Land Rover left the Defender in 1983 until they legally couldn't any more and all they had to replace it was a rebodied Discovery. The current Defender is what the Discovery should be and the Grenadier is what the Defender should be.
Greedier is not like a jeep, its based on the landrover defender, the reason it was created was because Land Rover discontinued the older defender that is why the ineos grenedier was made the owner did not want to see the traditional defender disappear. In Europe they get the 3.0 diesel inline 6.
So about 85k for the Grenadier (or more) then another 20k to make it actually stop, have enough ride height and survive the trail. Then another 40k for camping/overland/power mods. I'd say that's the realistic numbers ahead.
The Grenadier uses the 3.0 liter turbo charged inline six BMW B58 engine. Toyota chose to use the B58 for the new Supra rather than make their own high performance engine.
Grenadier has the least aftermarket support. Also, very few dealerships and most mechanics won't really know how to work on them for more than just the basic stuff due to the fact there aren't really many around. Both it and the new LC have unproven reliability - I suspect the Grenadier will have electrical gremlins like nearly all British vehicles, and the new Toyotas haven't been known for their robustness. I'd personally go with the bronco. It's been around a few years, has large aftermarket support, can get it worked on at any Ford dealer, and it's issues are known since it's been out a few years. It just doesn't have the cool new "wow, cool!" Factor of the LC and Ineos. The Ineos in particular has a premium price ($75k+ )for features you'd find in a Jeep Rubicon you can get for $20k cheaper. You're paying $20k extra for the right of having an exclusive vehicle.
Good video!!! Just FYI My daughter in law and son rented a jeep Wagoneer man 2023 I believe... What a beautiful ride luxurious!!!!!!! Until we hit the Grapevine on 5 heading south bound. AC on and the engine started to over heat. Had to let vehicle cool off and once it did. We proceeded on our way ... Felt like a Cadillac smooth and plenty of Amenities... Unfortunately my son and his wife traded it for a Ford Expedition. Not bad vehicle... In it self. But the Wagoneer was smooth. Keep on filming!!!!!
you know, one thing i truly hate is that literally NONE of these youtubers ever want to provide any information about the trails. it's like everyone is out there gatekeeping everything.
You’ve increased the BHP and no doubt torque, what is the tranny rated for ? Not sure what model tranny is in the US spec. but UK model is very closely rated to the factory tune for BHP and torque, I fact the diseasal engine has a different tranny that has much more headroom for increase in engine performance than the petrol (it’s short for petroleum, it’s just like gas - only spelt properly for people who can deal with more than one syllable;-) 😅😂😂😂
Considered it recently. Even modified like this, the rig is a baby compared to my diesel wrangler. Parts are a huge problem for Ineos. I wouldn’t buy it.
That cutting board looks like it is a form of plastic. If so when cutting on it, it produces micro plastic particles. Plastic is VERY bad if ingested. Switch to a wood like bamboo or a hardwood. Just trying to help.
It's HDPE. They are routinely used as cutting surfaces is restaurants. Using a wood product in this situation is not good. There's enough moisture that has caused wooden cutting boards to mold. Cutting foods on it will not result in microplastic particles getting into the food. HDPE is pretty benign and safe for the food industry.
@@Delphi_Addictionbut the high priests told him he had to repeat the sermon to everyone he encountered. He’s a very good disciple. Just imagine him in the Middle Ages. He would’ve been a Crusader, for sure!
Bamboo isn't wood for a start, and bamboo cutting boards use a ton of glue which is horrible for your edges and is toxic too. HDPE on the other hand is super safe catering industry standard all over the world. Why comment on a subject you know nothing about?
Hello, strange question but I have been subscribed for a while and I really respect what you do. I know you are retired but would you have time to talk about the season?
It’s Leitner Designs out of California - I have the HD bars and Sidekick MOLLE panel - their stuff is brilliant. Perfect fit, extraordinary quality. They make bars, a 3/4 rack and a full rack for the Grenadier, plus a few other Grenadier-specific products (like light brackets for the front bumper). Cannot recommend them highly enough.
@@Doc-Ock2003 You got lucky. I have friends that started having to dump money in to X5s at around 80,000. Stupid stuff like window motors but also transmission stuff. Pretty well known Mercedes, Audi, BMW start requiring expensive maintenance when Toyotas are just getting broken in.
That’s 20 year old news. The B58 is running everywhere all over the world - it’s brilliant, especially married to that ZF transmission. That’s why Toyota went with it, themselves (maybe would have been a good idea for the Tundra as well as the Supra).
As an electrical engineer and former aircraft electrician, I love the cleanliness of that install. The connectivity and functionality of it is amazing too. I need to pay off my house so I get my own Grenadier, so many great ideas and mods from Agile Off-Road. I am glad they are working with people like Fox who actually own shock dynos and aren't just worried about a number on the tape measure at the fender.
I do have one safety concern after finishing the video, it isn't clear to me whether that iPad and RAM mount are clear of the passenger airbag 'throw' area. I would think someone as detail oriented as John has done the analysis on that, but thought I should mention it.
Clean build. The Grenadier is a cool truck and what the Defender could have been if Land Rover had evolved it every couple of years.
The Grenadier is such a cool vehicle, love seeing the tasteful upgrades!
Really love the mods, well thought trough while not over the top. Thanks for the introduction!👍🙏
Cancelled my order when prices were eventually announced…but, man, after watching this…it's hard not to want to reverse that decision. Beautiful machine.
From Australia - really love those rock rails.!
You have to live a little. Stop being cheap, find a way to make more money and enjoy yourself. Cant wait to get one in green, perfect for Arizona!!
I love the wheels too, great choice.
Making a great new rig… AWESOME !
Love the old school shape of this truck... Nice vid Brad !
So, have to say, loved the Grenadier. Always wanted a Defender. Ordered two, cancelled the first, couldn’t understand the dual battery system, reordered without, but at the end looked at a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 4xe, got it for $45k, 1/2 of the Grenadier. Would have loved the Grenadier, but it can’t compete with a Jeep. Maybe later. But not for double the price.
Superb . Love your work.
There is a German company making Portal Axles for the Grenadier and boy that makes the truck look awesome
I heard they are around 44k USD.... Thats half the cost of the car itself.
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@@Desert_Spec Haha, wow! That makes portals for my Jeep look cheap.
@@ElderStatesman-pi3lc Yep, them
Portals $$$$$ but totally SICK!
Fantastic work!
My camp mate at Overland Mountain West had one. It was awesome.
Awesome video as always Brad.
Owning a Grenadier in Belgium I have a real interest in the integration of Switch Pros and cerbo screen in the overhead panel. Does Agile offroad ship to BE and especially is there documentation how to route the wiring through the A pillar of the Grenadier. Could not yet find out, would be so helpful and accelerate decision making :) Cheers
I like his steering mods, that’s what I originally didn’t like. Well done guys.
Great stuff as always. It’s another well informed video of quality information.
Any issues with the CV’s on the front axle with that lift? The pinon angle sorta sucks and I know of several that have eaten the front CV’s. Someone had a double cardon front axle made which should solve the problem.
Nice set up, very usable rig.👍😎
Great company! Great video.
Great job as always.
Congratulations John with the build... I'm a UK AGENT I'll be in touch...
Brad, do you ever plan to do a video focused on this trip and how the vans handled? I have been super curious how the sprinters handled up there, where they struggled, etc . I really want to make this trip again sometime ( did it in a rubicon gladiator a few years) ideally in my van. I would probably stay away from funnel given the rock gardens
Jay Couch @Couch off-road engineering is doing some really cool stuff for his Ineos.
Wow... someone saying the Grennie drives nice on the road. My test drives, one hand steering and turns were no problem at all, yet so many peiple seem to complain, or just expect a full on 4x4 to drive like a car.
Could not agree more. Steering is not an issue. But for some people, I guess it is.
Hi Brad, very nice video. Thank you for sharing.🚗
That thing is sick
Awesome build!
How do I get my hands on that tune here in South Africa?
Not ready for such a new vehicle. But pretty cool so far.
Enos needs to contract this guy! Awesome...
Everyone in the US is either buying aftermarket kits from Agile, Owl, or OK4WD - or direct from manufacturers. One thing John and the Agile team do so well is integration - they work direct with suppliers and make sure it really works - then do the assembly or coordinate modification so it basically works out of the box. A lot of us have benefited from the work John and his team have done. They are running a class operation.
Had the chance to check these out at the Overland Expo in Loveland. Pretty impressive. However, I'm still a Jeep fan.
Holy crap!
Your friend, John sure knew what he was doing when he did all the amazing electronic work on his Grenadier!
Awesome, awesome ride!😮!
BMW POWER
agree with the comments re the ride. Amazing.Mild corrugations disapear
Overlanding for the snobs
I have fitted the TDI Tune module which gives me a claimed 250kw and 650 nm, makes it more responsive and fuel economy id about 15% better. I've added a 120amp lithium but kept it all simple, just a BCDC charger. Complexity breeds unreliability.
I want to buy the solar panels! thanks for the tip!
The Ineos is an amazing vehicle, but the price point puts it out of most people’s purchase range. Then to put more money into it for upgrades. Ouch!
Do I still want one yes.
Yeah, the most common thing I've heard from auto reviewers regarding the Ineos is the price - feature wise, it's about on par with your typical Wrangler Rubicon, but you can find those on any dealer lot in the country for $55k or less. This one is $75k+ and is much harder to find. You're paying $20k for the _exclusivity._
@@backwoodstherapy solid front ,rear axles fixed roof wagon /s.u.v. , wrangler /bronco 4dr not much towing payload
@@youtubecarspottersguide1you and I both know that are maybe 5 people in the entire North American continent that will actually use the payload and towing the grenadier has compared to something like a Wrangler, lol.
@@backwoodstherapy Yeah, exactly. I am going with the Gladiator for the tow and payload for the price of the vehicle. Brad was right in his choice with Doc.
It’s pricey, but look at the jeep junk or the bronco-both absurdly over priced and absolutely garbage.
It's not wasted space. Ineos made it for you to use. Like the wiring for the aux
What happens if you wade a river ? What happens with fire suppression, what about vibration packing ?
Nothing looks as cool as the Grenadier, aside from a Jeep with the top and doors off. I think Land Rover shot themselves in the foot when they stopped making the Defender look like this. I mean there's a whole industry of taking older body Defenders and upgrading them to have all the features of a new vehicle and people pay like $200k for that.
But on the Grenadier I'm hoping they change the engine at some point and get rid of that stupid looking shifter. It's so out of place in that really cool cockpit style.
new Defender 110 /130 more 3 row luxury family school bus
The b58 is a great engine with excellent engine with a lot of tunability. The only other engines which might be better are the coyote or the ls/lt
Get a grip !
If Land Rover had evolved the Defender every eight years or so like Jeep did with the Wrangler, this would be the Defender. Instead, Land Rover left the Defender in 1983 until they legally couldn't any more and all they had to replace it was a rebodied Discovery. The current Defender is what the Discovery should be and the Grenadier is what the Defender should be.
@@cliffmorgan31 not sure what you’re talking about
Jeep guy- but really like the look…would want min 35s preferably 37s on it tho!
I'll keep my '97 Land Rover Defender 90.
26 years of fun!
What's to prevent a hacker getting in to the electrical system?
Have good trip and
Lightning bolts! 😂
Greedier is not like a jeep, its based on the landrover defender, the reason it was created was because Land Rover discontinued the older defender that is why the ineos grenedier was made the owner did not want to see the traditional defender disappear. In Europe they get the 3.0 diesel inline 6.
So about 85k for the Grenadier (or more) then another 20k to make it actually stop, have enough ride height and survive the trail. Then another 40k for camping/overland/power mods. I'd say that's the realistic numbers ahead.
Miss the xj build
Hi, Im from Argentina, southamerica.
Do you guys know the Agrale Marrua AM250???
ill stick to my 2019 4Runner off-road! Reliable 4L V6 and goes everywhere I WANT!
Thanks for sharing, I was wondering what you were going to do
@@peopleschamp7258 NOW YOU KNOW! with the $75K I saved not buying the Grenade ...I HAVE EVEN MORE OPTIONS!
The Grenadier uses the 3.0 liter turbo charged inline six BMW B58 engine. Toyota chose to use the B58 for the new Supra rather than make their own high performance engine.
Overlanding for the rich 🤑
Ok…
Very true. Only takes $1560.00 a month for 7 years to pay off the grenadier…. The van is a $200,000 unit so that may take a large monthly payment also
Is there any other way? 😜 Unless you've spent a minimum of $100K you aren't even overlanding. 😊
You don’t have to watch.
@@chaddamewood9840 you don't have to read the comments and/or reply . See how that works? 😜🤡
Ineos Grenadier, Land Cruiser 250, or Bronco? can't make up my mind playing "which one should I get".
Grenadier has the least aftermarket support. Also, very few dealerships and most mechanics won't really know how to work on them for more than just the basic stuff due to the fact there aren't really many around. Both it and the new LC have unproven reliability - I suspect the Grenadier will have electrical gremlins like nearly all British vehicles, and the new Toyotas haven't been known for their robustness. I'd personally go with the bronco. It's been around a few years, has large aftermarket support, can get it worked on at any Ford dealer, and it's issues are known since it's been out a few years. It just doesn't have the cool new "wow, cool!" Factor of the LC and Ineos. The Ineos in particular has a premium price ($75k+ )for features you'd find in a Jeep Rubicon you can get for $20k cheaper. You're paying $20k extra for the right of having an exclusive vehicle.
I have a grenadier, and I can say that if you're overloading, I'd say grenadier. If you're DD, then land cruiser.
I'd do the GX550 or the GX460 before the new LC250. But from your list, I'd go with the Grenadier.
Ineos Grenadier!
None of them.
Saw one in OR a month or two ago. Nobody else seemed to notice or care 😄
Good video!!!
Just FYI My daughter in law and son rented a jeep Wagoneer man 2023 I believe... What a beautiful ride luxurious!!!!!!! Until we hit the Grapevine on 5 heading south bound. AC on and the engine started to over heat. Had to let vehicle cool off and once it did. We proceeded on our way ...
Felt like a Cadillac smooth and plenty of Amenities...
Unfortunately my son and his wife traded it for a Ford Expedition. Not bad vehicle... In it self. But the Wagoneer was smooth.
Keep on filming!!!!!
How about a mod for the shifter?
The 2020 Toyoya Suora is a snap in replacement and look like what should have been used. Super chunky.
Owl has a video.
25% power on those baja designs lights don't make them street legal! 🙄
Adventure
Loved this! I may now buy a Grenadier! Would you be able to ask John where he gets the truck dyno'd? I have brother-in-law who needs an F450 tuned.
This is all very nice but, it does nothing which my 14-year-old 160,000 mile LR4 can't already do.
More than a Rubicon and not as capable. Looks great for casual dirt roads.
like it a true utilitarian wagon /s.u.v. ,no moonroofs, air suspension , 3rd row seats and luxury car bits = like the defender 110.130, discovery
Why would you want to increase steering radius!
Definitely huge from factory, but you get used to it.
He decreased it.
you know, one thing i truly hate is that literally NONE of these youtubers ever want to provide any information about the trails. it's like everyone is out there gatekeeping everything.
You’ve increased the BHP and no doubt torque, what is the tranny rated for ? Not sure what model tranny is in the US spec. but UK model is very closely rated to the factory tune for BHP and torque, I fact the diseasal engine has a different tranny that has much more headroom for increase in engine performance than the petrol (it’s short for petroleum, it’s just like gas - only spelt properly for people who can deal with more than one syllable;-) 😅😂😂😂
We say ‘gasoline’ all the time.
So much for your extra syllable hypothesis.
Considered it recently. Even modified like this, the rig is a baby compared to my diesel wrangler. Parts are a huge problem for Ineos. I wouldn’t buy it.
A Grenadier is nothing like a Jeep. Lol.
It's closer to the old Land Rover Defenders, and Mercedes G-Wagen.
INEOS has suspended production….because of parts shortages.
Not true…. Recaro went into receivership
About the only thing I don't like on the Grenadier is that stupid shift knob looks so out of place.
Same. I was really hoping that was gonna be one of the mods🤣
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Isn't it a BMW engine? Reliability is sketchy.
Really.... that must be why Toyota put the B58 in the Supra.
That cutting board looks like it is a form of plastic. If so when cutting on it, it produces micro plastic particles. Plastic is VERY bad if ingested. Switch to a wood like bamboo or a hardwood. Just trying to help.
It's HDPE. They are routinely used as cutting surfaces is restaurants. Using a wood product in this situation is not good. There's enough moisture that has caused wooden cutting boards to mold. Cutting foods on it will not result in microplastic particles getting into the food. HDPE is pretty benign and safe for the food industry.
$400 for that junk table
@@Delphi_Addictionbut the high priests told him he had to repeat the sermon to everyone he encountered. He’s a very good disciple. Just imagine him in the Middle Ages. He would’ve been a Crusader, for sure!
Bamboo isn't wood for a start, and bamboo cutting boards use a ton of glue which is horrible for your edges and is toxic too. HDPE on the other hand is super safe catering industry standard all over the world.
Why comment on a subject you know nothing about?
Hello, strange question but I have been subscribed for a while and I really respect what you do. I know you are retired but would you have time to talk about the season?
You're right, this is a strange question. I suspect this is a bot.
You cannot get anything you want. They do not sell a two seat version.
Yes they do, just not marketed in US.
You can get a 2 seat version in oz
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Good looking rig on the outside, piece of crap BMW motor on the in.
Sure that is why Totota put the B58 in the Supra.
First
Nice roof rack.
Who makes it?
He says it in the video......
It’s Leitner Designs out of California - I have the HD bars and Sidekick MOLLE panel - their stuff is brilliant. Perfect fit, extraordinary quality. They make bars, a 3/4 rack and a full rack for the Grenadier, plus a few other Grenadier-specific products (like light brackets for the front bumper). Cannot recommend them highly enough.
@@ElderStatesman-pi3lc
Thank you.
I will definitely check out their products.
It’s a BMW at heart. 80,000 miles and then it turns into a money pit. Looks cool and runs good for a while! @muddyruttzz
I have 183000 on my x5 and still running strong
@@Doc-Ock2003 You got lucky. I have friends that started having to dump money in to X5s at around 80,000. Stupid stuff like window motors but also transmission stuff. Pretty well known Mercedes, Audi, BMW start requiring expensive maintenance when Toyotas are just getting broken in.
The engine was detuned to last longer. Ineos says 200k before replacing major parts. Keep in mind the engine has been modified for Ineos.
BMW 6 cylinder motors are strong running and last very well. They have great reputations.
That’s 20 year old news. The B58 is running everywhere all over the world - it’s brilliant, especially married to that ZF transmission. That’s why Toyota went with it, themselves (maybe would have been a good idea for the Tundra as well as the Supra).
Saw one at AOAOE a couple weeks ago, very interesting! 26:07 🥾⛰️🇨🇦❤️