The truck having an 8 foot bed was what I liked most. If the consumer version has that as a stock option, then Canoo will be my first choice for an electric truck. Ford, Rivian, Tesla & Chevy are all middling around with 5 to 6 foot beds.
Keep in mind Canoo is as wide as a Prius. The overall capacity will be less. But if a light duty truck with a long bed is what you’re after this will be perfect.
Still hoping Canoo pulls this off! I acknowledge that they seem to be quietly working on this, but I hope they keep the public informed about their vehicles and plans. Get people informed, interested and excited!
Way more interesting than the Tesla CyberTruck. This would sell well across a lot of diverse segments, particularly if the price is kept to $50K or less. Definitely a home run.
DUDE you are so right about the pickup having way more personal vehicle sales potential in the US than the LV; it's actually not even close. The Pickup could absolutely carry the company; also, they kinda did change the entire brand of the company toward the pickup/ SUV off-road capable since Tony took over. I had this same revelation today after kind of not following the day to day of the company closely for almost a year and coming back to it recently to reassess things. I actually wrote Canoo today to basically say the same thing..they have a limited time and resources to set up manufacturing; I think those resources should pivot to making/ selling the pickup, because I think it will be way more successful and relevant. I could talk for a long time about their need to do this, but basically, the changes to the LV and the brand already are like half-way toward the pickup, they kinda just need to go all in on what they've already seriously changed as an entire brand. The LV is really more just like a leftover at this point. In other words, their time and money constraints don't give them the luxury to delay what would potentially be the more popular, better looking, better selling EV - they need to just pivot to the pickup, hit a home run, and the fk with everything else. Cheers! The fact that we've both obviously been following Canoo in-depth for a long time, and came to the same exact conclusion about what's working/ what's not... tells me that Canoo should probably pay attention to our perspective and suggestions. I would also buy this over an F150; assuming a similar price vs. similar range.
Damn I love this post, thank you, and obviously I think you're 100% correct. However they do have obligations to deliver several thousands of commercial vans, so that has to happen, but yes, if they can prioritize the pickup for the consumer market I promise you they'll sell every single one they can make. Right now there's a HUGE opening in the market. Pretty much all EV trucks right now are $80k+ (yea maybe there's like one f150 lightning for sale somewhere that might be less, but good luck.) Considering how similar the LV and Pickup are, surely it can't be all that hard.. Thanks for the thoughts man.. may expand this and dig deeper into a whole video based just on this idea.
For me, a single guy who wants a small ev truck for a daily driver I want the smaller cabin/bigger bed of that military style Canoo. I would rather have the Alpha Wolf, but just not sure if that's a real thing. Hopefully the era of the small pickup 2door for evs will give people like me what they want!
One other thing to remember is that the overwhelming majority of the military's vehicles will never see combat. Think of the US Army as a company with 500,000 employees, many of whom have a "company" car. Huge numbers of vehicles are used just moving people around in the continental US. Sure you need off road, the military does a lot of disaster relief, and you could get called to active duty. However most of the time you are just running errands around the post. The USAF has hundreds of crew cab pickups who's only job is driving the air crews out to the flight line and back. This doesn't have to replace an M1A3 Abrams to get tens of thousands of orders. It just needs to replace a Chevy pickup.
Looks good, and interesting. Love EV's. I do wonder about a few points you touched on for real world use for the Army: If petrol/diesel is hard to find, charging stations will be pretty much either impossible to find or not working. I assuming they are thinking of a portable charging station. It will be powered by what? Diesel? (kinda stupid, but backup solution) Sun / Wind? Probably too big and slow... We shall see. Looks good for non war & personal settings...
One thing that'll help the truck and van ..they turn heads, to a small business that's gold. Eyes on your company name on a memorable vehicle like this? It's a win
I'd love to buy one of these! Hopefully the mileage goes up too! Bout 1500 miles per charge then I'll go for it! I can see so many applications for the Military for this one though! Many options! Geez They need to put a sky jack on it tho running into IED's! They'd be 6 to 8 foot higher that are air ride's up and down for them! Well that's what I thought up anyway! :)
How do you charge it? If you say solar, this has an 80kWh battery that in order to be useful, has to be able to recharge from 20% to 80% in less than 1 hour. That means you need 673 solar panels to generate the 40kW in the required time. And you need full sun.
@@jamesengland7461 So you still need that fuel truck making it's way from the main fuel depot to your FOB. Kinda defeats the purpose of an EV now don't it? No this is going to be a rear area on base utility, replacing the hmmwv's and other small pickups and golf carts.
@@pogo1140 Pogo- You and your long winded argumentative comment missed the actual original comment that you are, long-windedly replying to- Patrol in SILENCE. Who gives a shit how it is re-fuelled.
@@email4664 Are you going to only do one patrol? when you are out there, that generator is going to be a giant beacon screaming HERE WE ARE SEND A MORTAR ROUND OUR WAY!!!, and your acres of solar panels stick out really nice for the recon drones to find.
Im invested in this company. I would love to buy one when they get the range up to 300+ miles. I cant even get to my favorite camp spots here in colorado on 200 miles
Wait, so a fuel convoy can be attacked, but a bunch of low range trucks unable to tow anything heavy or deal with extreme temperatures will be fine while parked for hours at charging stations that probably don’t have electricity because the infrastructure was blown up? Or at solar stations the size of football fields? The amount of solar needed to field charge these would “visible from space” and only work during daylight hours and be easily vulnerable to attack. I want one for me though.
Can be tracked. Controlled. Also in war and in future when gas is “rare” why not use these on base for gofer missions? Save fuel for different situations? I dunno. I deliver for door dash lol.
My only issue with the Canoo pickup is that it only has two functional seats: driver and passenger. The rear bench in the Canoo pickup would be less useful for seating than rear seats in typical extended cap pickups, but the Canoo is far better designed for functionality. Pickup buyer's choice which they prefer - seating or function. I am hoping those stylish rear seats in LV are completely removable so the cargo cabin in hollow like an LDV.
perfect so instead of gas logistics what is the plan to recharge here? plug into the enemy electrical grid behind lines? supply trucks with 100,000 lb massive battery storage? 100 mile long extension cords? maybe a hopped up golf cart to run around on base/motor-pool errands but that's about it!
Cool looking truck. As a combat vehicle, or even a logistics vehicle its going to have issues. Setting up solar panels on a battlefield is just asking for an airstrike on your head. Solar panels are easy to see from the sky. So that leaves bringing battery banks up to charge the trucks. Couple of problems with that. Batteries are heavy. Once used to charge a vehicle they need to go back and charge again. You might as well stuck with a internal combustion engine and fuel trucks in that case. Then you have cold weather. Electric vehicles go way down in efficiency the colder it gets.
Yea, these are real issues, but I believe these will be solvable issues. It might be another 10-15 years before this will/can be real. But it's a start, and we'll eventually get there.
Folks yammering on and on about an EV being used in theater, settle down for Pete’s sake, lol. The feeling out of the possibilities with the military would definitely be a supplement for regular use for non theater applications on a broader scale in the near term. But the feeling out of what’s possible as the technology advances can pay real dividends for the civilian uses of the high durability research and development the military is getting behind. This is all a good thing actually. Some of these comments are friggin hilarious, lol. 🤣🤣🙄🙄🤣🤣
This, OMG this. This is literally just the beginning. The work and testing that's being done now will impact the military in 20 years. Still a long way to go, still plenty of tech to get figured out... this is a start, an exciting start, but still just a start. Thanks for your comment man.
I have one of the consumer version trucks on preorder, but I have to agree with a lot of others who say the only thing obviously missing from that truck is a full-on crew cab configuration. It seems all of the truck manufacturers have figured this out by now - non-fleet buyers want space for four adults. The Rivian is a crew cab. Heck, even most Wranglers and Gladiators have two rows nowadays.
Totally agree, and I would assume it's very much in the works.. I've seen extended cab renderings, and given how these are made, an extended cab version should be achievable with minimal additional effort.
This is a forward control vehicle, the current trend for pickup trucks and SUVs with massive engine hoods ahead of the driver position has led to numerous accidents where the driver could not see children crossing in front of the vehicle. Perhaps this is the future and a return to the Jeep FC of the 1960s.
Thing is, for fly-over country, range is everything. In fly-over country, gas stations are few and far between. So either the range of ev's needs to go way up, or the gov needs to massivelly expand the charging infrastructure...
I currently have a Cybertruck reserved, but I'd probably get a Canoo instead, if they were available, reasonably priced, and have decent comparable features.
Alright, I was very hesitant on the tricky truck version at first, but now, you have made me see the light through the darkness. I lie. I only see in the dark. But really, this looks like it may actually deliver. IF, and mean IF the armed forces back it, then it may be worth it. I mean, look at it. It's built like an AR-15. Want this mod? Ok. How about this one? Ok. Want to be able to mount 2 railguns on those picatinny mounts up top? SURE! I think the civilian model will actually keep the street view foot canopy as an option, rather than the military version, but off-road, maaaaybe the glass would not be a good idea to opt with. It's the modular function. We've seen what it could do in the shows, but it seems to still hold true here. Use it as a camper with a mattress in the bed along with the cab cap. Then get a wrap called "Mystery Machine". Make sure to include Daphne in it and run over Fred. Velma can join in if she wants. Who cares at that point? Then, hit up your Scooby snacks and rinse, repeat. Seriously though, it looks like it may be a good choice if the options are in play.
As a former military guy, i do get much of the criticizm here. What i want to point at, is a new generation of batteries coming into the market this decade. They bring 8 to 10x capacity of todays standard LiIon Batteries, without using rare earths. So these 200 miles become 1.600 to 2.000 miles in due time. At the same time, charging speeds are cranking up too. Look at the Tesla semis please. This tech will arrive in military service sooner than later and i think the military is absolutely right in checking this out now. And yes, most non theater jobs can already benefit from EVs.
With how roomy the cabin is, I could see them moving up the seats and have a second row. Would be awesome to have a truck a small as a regular small truck but have 5-6 seats and an 8ft foot (extended) bed
Totally agree.. I could see a need for two models, one single cab work truck style, and another with an extended cab, slightly smaller truck bed. Wouldn't be surprised if this is an option in the future.
@@GearboxPizza the rear top end is curved causing les stoag space, not like areoydnamics benef would be there. I really doubt the visibility would be that great if you test it out. Sure, it has a lot of window, but it also has twice as many wide body pillars blocking your view. The front-most A-pillar is also in a spot no other car has, blocking a completely new sector the drivers need to get used to. And the B-pillar forward of the door isn't any smaller than other cars have. front space , wasted space because you can't store anything heavier than a pillow there due to crash safety. Compare it to the frunk in for example F-150 Lightning and Rivian that provides a new and highly useful storage that traditional pickups and vans didn't have. The only advantage the Canoo design provides is the lower front window. Sure that's an improvement over modern American trucks with man-height bonnets that can hide a whole car from view. But compared to the M-B eSprinter TFL showcased just couple days earlier with the sloping bonnets that gives a perfectly fine view of the road it is a useless gimmick. reason why i dont liek electric car is that battery degradation and lack of battery recyling. dendrites that forms from battery degradation is messes with recyalability too. if you look at sandy munroe video caled wjats insize 680 battery, there could be indicator of how much of battery can be recycled by mechnaical seperation vs what chemical process would be needed, woudl it be susntinable process? recycling company called redwood. even if they fix this problem, will they dig through trash to find enviromentally damaged (rust, mud,etc) dead car batteries currently being dumped, and recycle them? in emissions, best hting to do is a ca rof where rear seats face the rear as comcpact 4 seate rreplacing 2+2 seater cars and yaris corolla cars, and rear mid engine small combustion flat 2 cylinder wnith no rotatiing parts to send power to wheels, instead magnets moving back and forth make electricty aand or a little supplemnetary compressed air , to power electric drive and compressed air driver, possibly with no battery or at minimal battery, using supercapacitor etc. single combustion chamber would help preserve heat for optimally low emissions or effeincy, hydrallic switch will push pistons back to position so they can be pushed by combustion.. optimal combustions per second for emissions with electric and mechnaical hybrid turbocharger, sometimes engine will run beyond optimal effiency or emissions levels for unsuually high power demand to protect long term emissiosn and fuel use reduction effetiveness of battery for common lower power use. with limited batterys to use, hybrids are already more effceint effective at reducing emissions, vs using that battery material for fewer cars who are electric cars, becaue most emissions happens in low speed high pushing power sitatuaitons of combustion car, where emissions are most likley to chemicaly harm health of nearby people becaue its usually compact city area with many people nearby. what battery size is best for longevity? see tony hellers climate change videos, maybe somone can make use of suspicious observers videos. see aptera owners club video on saftey, unqiue materials they use, lightweight is safer to peopel outsid ethe car but can be safe for people inside car compared to hevaier caar if using right materials, and even safer due to wat type of crash is more likley to happen.. linearly more lighter weight exponentially causes less road wear damage causing less resurces and emissions and road downtimes. ..... the low weight compared to structrual strength and crash energy absorption, makes its safer per costs ,. the weight lower to ground (if that is how its still done) can make it preserve momentum around turns more, which is more energy effceint than relying on regenerative braking, and battery, brakes, lubrication, etc would last longer. tires longveity may not be affected despite higher speed and fun of preserving momentum with minimum g forces . .... in effeincy per functionality, rear seats facing rear in sompact 4 seater woudl make more sense. solarpanel effeincy is only arouund 20 percent and can become lot better if u want lower emissons(whch only helpful for heath of pepe wh send mhme near heavy traffic roads), then using mited batteyr supply for hybrids is lower emson than using the suppply for fewer cars whch are eletric car. big batteyr means exppnentially less effceint, so the more energy going in and out the battery means worse battery degradation, but more parraleles of battery reduce battery degradation... so more battery is not better, theres a balance to be had. ff
Everything is just stupid expensive these days.. even the "affordable" ones are expensive.. I remember when Rivians were going to be like $65k or so.. now, $100k or so.
Did I hear this wrong? Because I thought they said this would be solar power by plates on the truck - if not, it is a fabulous idea, and this vehicle could keep one right on the top of the cab. Charging while it's running sounds good.
I'm probably still going to wait for a true cabover. This is pretty close, but it won't be worth the money for me, individually. I will not compromise my desire to sit on the steer axle.
I doubt this will be in convoys or in combat in any capacity. If the Army takes this, it will be a base vehicle / transport. Which is great, right now we use all these old "bread trucks" from the 1980s that are of extremely low quality and have poor milage.
How does the Army plan to recharge their EV's in the field? (Still will need standard fuel and generators). So the need for dangerous fuel convoys may be reduced, but not eliminated. How practical are solar panels (after dark?)
It's entirely feasible to charge 6+ with a portable diesel generator mounted on one for military applications. Running a diesel generator to charge several vehicles is more efficient than running many diesel engines all day. I think the heavy construction industry is going to see the benefits of electric motors on heavy equipment and begin to transition. Grid when it's there, diesel generator when it's not. Charge speed for batteries seems to be climbing to unimaginable speeds compared to 10 years ago.
I love this comment. Thank you. This tech might not be ready for prime time right now, but just look at how quickly battery tech is progressing. Start testing now, be ahead of the game when the tech catches up. Thanks for the comment my man!
I don't think an EV will ever be a suitable replacement for ICE, but they are great supplements. I would love to have one of these for local errands. The range is my main problem with them, but there's no reason they couldn't offer a battery pack that slides into the bed ( like a big version of cordless tool batteries) to double or triple the range when you need to make a longer trip. For military purposes, they could always have battery packs charging for quick swaps. That would be quicker and therefore safer than refueling an ICE vehicle in the field.
Alot of the US military's interest in EV/Hybrids is cause of how quiet they run. But considering I've now seen 2 videos by 2 different Ford Lightning owners losing half their range in what I consider above freezing temps (37F), I wonder how these will handle Alaska.
2:17 Huh. So are these pictures showing the raised suspension because i cant tell the difference. It just doesn't look like it could do much off-roading. I mean, I guess it'll work just fine on roads but they seem to be trying to make this an off roader with its raised suspension and tires and all. Maybe I'm conflating off-roading with rock crawling. I mean most off-roading the army does at the moment is along flat deserts so i guess it'll work. But what about mud?
With the off-road package it has 9.5" of ground clearance. A Jeep Wrangler has 9.7", so they are pretty much the same..... I have an SUV which has 8.5" of ground clearance and it sees plenty of off-road use in places you would not drive a normal car or even most CUVs.... Ground clearance is one thing, but tires are usually the biggest factor.
I can see use cases for replacing non tactical vehicles with EV's but tactical vehicles will be fossil fuel powered for a good long time to come. For the non-military NTV's are regular cars, trucks, and SUV'd used behind the lines or on base only for all the things civilians use cars and trucks for. Tactical vehicles are used to fight with. Pairing EV's with the small nuclear reactors the military is developing would be very useful for NTV's deployed overseas.
Agreed. Eventually, and we're talking several years, even decades into the future, battery tech will improve enough where they will just always be better than a typical internal combustion engine. Granted, they'll have to store 4x the power and be 1/4 the size... oh and 1/4 of the cost to get there. It's a long road ahead, but we'll get there.
I think this would be great to tow behind the RV. Capable enough for hunting and fishing in the mountains (ground clearance and all wheel drive) and still small/nimble enough to run around town. No matter where we are staying, this could fit the bill for both the wife and I. It wouldn't be my primary vehicle because I still need to drive cross country (or even from the Panhandle of FL down to the Keys) and I need to tow boats and things for more than a few miles but as a second vehicle, it would be awesome!!!
It is still much harder to transport electricity to the field then transporting gasoline/diesel. And big solar farms in the field is easy to detect and bomb. The frontline needs fuel, in all wars, and you don't have electrical power to spare in the frontline, usually you have diesel powered generators for your electrical needs
How practical can this be in combat? Considering the Army still have to bring fuel to run generators to charge. But behind the line operations can be a good idea.
Yea, no where close to being combat ready.. but eventually. At some point soon, battery > gas, and it'll be important for our armed forces to be ready.. these sorts of things are a good start.
I think this truck is ever fielded it will be used on garrison at all our bases but not for combat development, for combat developments PHEVs will be used, and I think the military is already working on doing so.
If I was going to get a eltric pick up, I want a simple one. Swissarmy knives are cool , I have one I almost never use. Simple things for one task work best. I use a regular fixed blade knife 99 percent of the time.
God I want one so badly. It's like the mini-truck dream we never got.
The truck having an 8 foot bed was what I liked most. If the consumer version has that as a stock option, then Canoo will be my first choice for an electric truck. Ford, Rivian, Tesla & Chevy are all middling around with 5 to 6 foot beds.
Keep in mind Canoo is as wide as a Prius. The overall capacity will be less. But if a light duty truck with a long bed is what you’re after this will be perfect.
just get a longbed single cab
Hey let’s not forget on how the ev 150 loses 20-30 % of its range when towing and that’s in
@@wientz once you start to load up on the weight the range on ev’s goes way down that’s not me saying it that’s the manufacturers saying it
The Chevy EV truck will have a passthrough into the cab.
Still hoping Canoo pulls this off! I acknowledge that they seem to be quietly working on this, but I hope they keep the public informed about their vehicles and plans. Get people informed, interested and excited!
I really hope Canoo is a success. It's the one company I feel has a winning idea.
I want one !! super cool, super practical & super awesome
Just another tease… c’mon Canoo! Get this thing to the masses!
"We just can't wait for this thing to be real". Says it all.
Way more interesting than the Tesla CyberTruck. This would sell well across a lot of diverse segments, particularly if the price is kept to $50K or less. Definitely a home run.
Totally agree my man, as long as there's no significant "price creep" -- i love this thing.
DUDE you are so right about the pickup having way more personal vehicle sales potential in the US than the LV; it's actually not even close. The Pickup could absolutely carry the company; also, they kinda did change the entire brand of the company toward the pickup/ SUV off-road capable since Tony took over. I had this same revelation today after kind of not following the day to day of the company closely for almost a year and coming back to it recently to reassess things. I actually wrote Canoo today to basically say the same thing..they have a limited time and resources to set up manufacturing; I think those resources should pivot to making/ selling the pickup, because I think it will be way more successful and relevant. I could talk for a long time about their need to do this, but basically, the changes to the LV and the brand already are like half-way toward the pickup, they kinda just need to go all in on what they've already seriously changed as an entire brand. The LV is really more just like a leftover at this point. In other words, their time and money constraints don't give them the luxury to delay what would potentially be the more popular, better looking, better selling EV - they need to just pivot to the pickup, hit a home run, and the fk with everything else. Cheers! The fact that we've both obviously been following Canoo in-depth for a long time, and came to the same exact conclusion about what's working/ what's not... tells me that Canoo should probably pay attention to our perspective and suggestions. I would also buy this over an F150; assuming a similar price vs. similar range.
Damn I love this post, thank you, and obviously I think you're 100% correct. However they do have obligations to deliver several thousands of commercial vans, so that has to happen, but yes, if they can prioritize the pickup for the consumer market I promise you they'll sell every single one they can make.
Right now there's a HUGE opening in the market. Pretty much all EV trucks right now are $80k+ (yea maybe there's like one f150 lightning for sale somewhere that might be less, but good luck.)
Considering how similar the LV and Pickup are, surely it can't be all that hard..
Thanks for the thoughts man.. may expand this and dig deeper into a whole video based just on this idea.
Interesting to see wheelchair accessible ones
For me, a single guy who wants a small ev truck for a daily driver I want the smaller cabin/bigger bed of that military style Canoo. I would rather have the Alpha Wolf, but just not sure if that's a real thing. Hopefully the era of the small pickup 2door for evs will give people like me what they want!
I'm with ya! Oh, and as cool as the Alpha Wolf is, well, it's probably quite a long shot, but hey, anything is possible.
One other thing to remember is that the overwhelming majority of the military's vehicles will never see combat. Think of the US Army as a company with 500,000 employees, many of whom have a "company" car. Huge numbers of vehicles are used just moving people around in the continental US. Sure you need off road, the military does a lot of disaster relief, and you could get called to active duty. However most of the time you are just running errands around the post. The USAF has hundreds of crew cab pickups who's only job is driving the air crews out to the flight line and back. This doesn't have to replace an M1A3 Abrams to get tens of thousands of orders. It just needs to replace a Chevy pickup.
Thats a pretty amazing point. Thanks man.
Reminds me of the old VW's, the van's, campers, buses and pick up's.
I would buy one just for that.
Looks good, and interesting. Love EV's. I do wonder about a few points you touched on for real world use for the Army: If petrol/diesel is hard to find, charging stations will be pretty much either impossible to find or not working. I assuming they are thinking of a portable charging station. It will be powered by what? Diesel? (kinda stupid, but backup solution) Sun / Wind? Probably too big and slow... We shall see. Looks good for non war & personal settings...
For use on and around permanent bases it's probably near-ideal.
I thought they said it was solar powered.
So they’ll get electric vehicles they charge off diesel generators. Big improvement.
One thing that'll help the truck and van ..they turn heads, to a small business that's gold. Eyes on your company name on a memorable vehicle like this? It's a win
Yea, thats a very good point.
Can you even guess what the the Army version will cost?
More than most of us will be willing to pay no doubt.
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I've been looking at a standard F-150 or something like that, but honestly if I knew when this would be coming out Id just wait and grab this.
This is a “Not there yet” concept. But please keep innovating. Exciting stuff.
I'd love to buy one of these! Hopefully the mileage goes up too! Bout 1500 miles per charge then I'll go for it! I can see so many applications for the Military for this one though! Many options! Geez They need to put a sky jack on it tho running into IED's! They'd be 6 to 8 foot higher that are air ride's up and down for them! Well that's what I thought up anyway! :)
Yeah, it surprised me when you said the van was more popular, i fell for the ute/truck the moment I first seen it.
Think of this patrolling in silence in the pitch dark by night vision, able to accelerate very quickly out of trouble.
How do you charge it?
If you say solar, this has an 80kWh battery that in order to be useful, has to be able to recharge from 20% to 80% in less than 1 hour.
That means you need 673 solar panels to generate the 40kW in the required time.
And you need full sun.
@@pogo1140 military diesel generator
@@jamesengland7461 So you still need that fuel truck making it's way from the main fuel depot to your FOB. Kinda defeats the purpose of an EV now don't it?
No this is going to be a rear area on base utility, replacing the hmmwv's and other small pickups and golf carts.
@@pogo1140 Pogo- You and your long winded argumentative comment missed the actual original comment that you are, long-windedly replying to- Patrol in SILENCE. Who gives a shit how it is re-fuelled.
@@email4664 Are you going to only do one patrol? when you are out there, that generator is going to be a giant beacon screaming HERE WE ARE SEND A MORTAR ROUND OUR WAY!!!, and your acres of solar panels stick out really nice for the recon drones to find.
Im invested in this company. I would love to buy one when they get the range up to 300+ miles. I cant even get to my favorite camp spots here in colorado on 200 miles
Wait, so a fuel convoy can be attacked, but a bunch of low range trucks unable to tow anything heavy or deal with extreme temperatures will be fine while parked for hours at charging stations that probably don’t have electricity because the infrastructure was blown up? Or at solar stations the size of football fields? The amount of solar needed to field charge these would “visible from space” and only work during daylight hours and be easily vulnerable to attack. I want one for me though.
All good points. It's a start though, and eventually I'd bet we'd find solutions to these significant issues.. but we have to start somewhere!🤘
Totally impractical for military use on a combat field. For local base use maybe
Can be tracked. Controlled. Also in war and in future when gas is “rare” why not use these on base for gofer missions? Save fuel for different situations? I dunno. I deliver for door dash lol.
Well…you won’t hear it coming. Not much of a heat signature either.
Yes…as a combat vehicle it’s not yet ready…but this can be used for the myriad of uses outside of a theater, saving fuel for vehicles engaged inside.
LOVE this truck!
My only issue with the Canoo pickup is that it only has two functional seats: driver and passenger. The rear bench in the Canoo pickup would be less useful for seating than rear seats in typical extended cap pickups, but the Canoo is far better designed for functionality. Pickup buyer's choice which they prefer - seating or function.
I am hoping those stylish rear seats in LV are completely removable so the cargo cabin in hollow like an LDV.
I agree. Bigtime game changer.
Great point about fuel convo casualties.
perfect so instead of gas logistics what is the plan to recharge here?
plug into the enemy electrical grid behind lines?
supply trucks with 100,000 lb massive battery storage?
100 mile long extension cords?
maybe a hopped up golf cart to run around on base/motor-pool errands but that's about it!
it will tow a trailer with 800 315 w solar panels.
It's not for combat - as others have pointed out, the Army has hundreds of thousands of utility vehicles that never even leave the US.
This is cool. Far more so than the cyber truck.
Really nice, I saw the Sandy Monroe video on this today also. Waiting for the RV version. Stock tic is "goev"
Cool looking truck. As a combat vehicle, or even a logistics vehicle its going to have issues. Setting up solar panels on a battlefield is just asking for an airstrike on your head. Solar panels are easy to see from the sky. So that leaves bringing battery banks up to charge the trucks. Couple of problems with that. Batteries are heavy. Once used to charge a vehicle they need to go back and charge again. You might as well stuck with a internal combustion engine and fuel trucks in that case. Then you have cold weather. Electric vehicles go way down in efficiency the colder it gets.
Yea, these are real issues, but I believe these will be solvable issues. It might be another 10-15 years before this will/can be real. But it's a start, and we'll eventually get there.
I want that pickup for kayak fishing, pulling my boat, hauling fishing gear and on occasion for work!
Folks yammering on and on about an EV being used in theater, settle down for Pete’s sake, lol. The feeling out of the possibilities with the military would definitely be a supplement for regular use for non theater applications on a broader scale in the near term. But the feeling out of what’s possible as the technology advances can pay real dividends for the civilian uses of the high durability research and development the military is getting behind. This is all a good thing actually. Some of these comments are friggin hilarious, lol. 🤣🤣🙄🙄🤣🤣
This, OMG this. This is literally just the beginning. The work and testing that's being done now will impact the military in 20 years. Still a long way to go, still plenty of tech to get figured out... this is a start, an exciting start, but still just a start. Thanks for your comment man.
I have one of the consumer version trucks on preorder, but I have to agree with a lot of others who say the only thing obviously missing from that truck is a full-on crew cab configuration. It seems all of the truck manufacturers have figured this out by now - non-fleet buyers want space for four adults. The Rivian is a crew cab. Heck, even most Wranglers and Gladiators have two rows nowadays.
Totally agree, and I would assume it's very much in the works.. I've seen extended cab renderings, and given how these are made, an extended cab version should be achievable with minimal additional effort.
If that can replace a HMMWV, sounds like a great idea. No need for a 50 on top if you have drones. And it’s quiet.
This is a forward control vehicle, the current trend for pickup trucks and SUVs with massive engine hoods ahead of the driver position has led to numerous accidents where the driver could not see children crossing in front of the vehicle. Perhaps this is the future and a return to the Jeep FC of the 1960s.
Thing is, for fly-over country, range is everything. In fly-over country, gas stations are few and far between. So either the range of ev's needs to go way up, or the gov needs to massivelly expand the charging infrastructure...
I know what you mean.. Range really needs to get to about 300 miles of "real" range, (not EPA bla bla) and I think we're good.. We're close.
@@GearboxPizza Well, there are some ev's that get 350-400 mile range. But they all cost $80k+ Way too much for most people..
Yeah rite, what yah gunna plug this joke into, a camel, a corn field in the middle of a war zone lol
yes, as long as you upgrade to the Camel Pack.. you can plug in directly to most camels with a standard plug. *results may vary
Hell yes our military vehicles should be recharged with solar panels. Great idea!!!
Probably won't happen with Army until more advanced batteries. I can see pickup with shown options around $70,000!
I currently have a Cybertruck reserved, but I'd probably get a Canoo instead, if they were available, reasonably priced, and have decent comparable features.
Alright, I was very hesitant on the tricky truck version at first, but now, you have made me see the light through the darkness. I lie. I only see in the dark. But really, this looks like it may actually deliver. IF, and mean IF the armed forces back it, then it may be worth it.
I mean, look at it. It's built like an AR-15. Want this mod? Ok. How about this one? Ok. Want to be able to mount 2 railguns on those picatinny mounts up top? SURE!
I think the civilian model will actually keep the street view foot canopy as an option, rather than the military version, but off-road, maaaaybe the glass would not be a good idea to opt with.
It's the modular function. We've seen what it could do in the shows, but it seems to still hold true here. Use it as a camper with a mattress in the bed along with the cab cap. Then get a wrap called "Mystery Machine". Make sure to include Daphne in it and run over Fred. Velma can join in if she wants. Who cares at that point? Then, hit up your Scooby snacks and rinse, repeat.
Seriously though, it looks like it may be a good choice if the options are in play.
It looks good in light khaki, better than the black prototypes. Canoo goofed on that - I want to see them in BRIGHT COLORS!
Amazon should take a stake in Canoo company and call it “Amazon Canoo “(here for delivery, ma’am) is that genius or what?
LOL. Well done.
Love this design. Btw your voice sounds like the engineering explained guy. Coincidence?
I think NOT
Hah! Man, I wish I was 1/2 as smart as that dude. That's for sure... But, by all means, I'll take this as a compliment lol.
Fantastic imo... Hopefully the civilian versions will be plentiful, affordable, and reliable... bring it and they (I) will come.
I want one! I love the pick up, I would love to drive one and see them sold in my area
As a former military guy, i do get much of the criticizm here. What i want to point at, is a new generation of batteries coming into the market this decade. They bring 8 to 10x capacity of todays standard LiIon Batteries, without using rare earths. So these 200 miles become 1.600 to 2.000 miles in due time. At the same time, charging speeds are cranking up too. Look at the Tesla semis please. This tech will arrive in military service sooner than later and i think the military is absolutely right in checking this out now. And yes, most non theater jobs can already benefit from EVs.
if they get a contract with the gov't, its game over for competition.
I love that Musk missed out.
The army truck is definitely the coolest ev pickup imo
totally agreed.
With how roomy the cabin is, I could see them moving up the seats and have a second row.
Would be awesome to have a truck a small as a regular small truck but have 5-6 seats and an 8ft foot (extended) bed
Totally agree.. I could see a need for two models, one single cab work truck style, and another with an extended cab, slightly smaller truck bed. Wouldn't be surprised if this is an option in the future.
@@GearboxPizza Big yes. The crew cab is the most popular truck so a larger cab option a must.
Dr who's time machine would be cool too
@@GearboxPizza the rear top end is curved causing les stoag space, not like areoydnamics benef would be there. I really doubt the visibility would be that great if you test it out. Sure, it has a lot of window, but it also has twice as many wide body pillars blocking your view. The front-most A-pillar is also in a spot no other car has, blocking a completely new sector the drivers need to get used to. And the B-pillar forward of the door isn't any smaller than other cars have. front space , wasted space because you can't store anything heavier than a pillow there due to crash safety. Compare it to the frunk in for example F-150 Lightning and Rivian that provides a new and highly useful storage that traditional pickups and vans didn't have. The only advantage the Canoo design provides is the lower front window. Sure that's an improvement over modern American trucks with man-height bonnets that can hide a whole car from view. But compared to the M-B eSprinter TFL showcased just couple days earlier with the sloping bonnets that gives a perfectly fine view of the road it is a useless gimmick.
reason why i dont liek electric car is that battery degradation and lack of battery recyling. dendrites that forms from battery degradation is messes with recyalability too. if you look at sandy munroe video caled wjats insize 680 battery, there could be indicator of how much of battery can be recycled by mechnaical seperation vs what chemical process would be needed, woudl it be susntinable process? recycling company called redwood. even if they fix this problem, will they dig through trash to find enviromentally damaged (rust, mud,etc) dead car batteries currently being dumped, and recycle them? in emissions, best hting to do is a ca rof where rear seats face the rear as comcpact 4 seate rreplacing 2+2 seater cars and yaris corolla cars, and rear mid engine small combustion flat 2 cylinder wnith no rotatiing parts to send power to wheels, instead magnets moving back and forth make electricty aand or a little supplemnetary compressed air , to power electric drive and compressed air driver, possibly with no battery or at minimal battery, using supercapacitor etc. single combustion chamber would help preserve heat for optimally low emissions or effeincy, hydrallic switch will push pistons back to position so they can be pushed by combustion.. optimal combustions per second for emissions with electric and mechnaical hybrid turbocharger, sometimes engine will run beyond optimal effiency or emissions levels for unsuually high power demand to protect long term emissiosn and fuel use reduction effetiveness of battery for common lower power use. with limited batterys to use, hybrids are already more effceint effective at reducing emissions, vs using that battery material for fewer cars who are electric cars, becaue most emissions happens in low speed high pushing power sitatuaitons of combustion car, where emissions are most likley to chemicaly harm health of nearby people becaue its usually compact city area with many people nearby. what battery size is best for longevity? see tony hellers climate change videos, maybe somone can make use of suspicious observers videos. see aptera owners club video on saftey, unqiue materials they use, lightweight is safer to peopel outsid ethe car but can be safe for people inside car compared to hevaier caar if using right materials, and even safer due to wat type of crash is more likley to happen.. linearly more lighter weight exponentially causes less road wear damage causing less resurces and emissions and road downtimes. ..... the low weight compared to structrual strength and crash energy absorption, makes its safer per costs ,. the weight lower to ground (if that is how its still done) can make it preserve momentum around turns more, which is more energy effceint than relying on regenerative braking, and battery, brakes, lubrication, etc would last longer. tires longveity may not be affected despite higher speed and fun of preserving momentum with minimum g forces . .... in effeincy per functionality, rear seats facing rear in sompact 4 seater woudl make more sense. solarpanel effeincy is only arouund 20 percent and can become lot better if u want lower emissons(whch only helpful for heath of pepe wh send mhme near heavy traffic roads), then using mited batteyr supply for hybrids is lower emson than using the suppply for fewer cars whch are eletric car. big batteyr means exppnentially less effceint, so the more energy going in and out the battery means worse battery degradation, but more parraleles of battery reduce battery degradation... so more battery is not better, theres a balance to be had. ff
I love the Canoo. What do you think of the 'potentially real' Alpha Wolf Pickup truck?
I love it, wish it was real.. I'd buy one, but highly doubtful it'll ever make it to production, but boy would I love to be wrong here.
i will be pre ordering a canoo pick up truck man.
Damn, was hoping you would say the price range be within 30-40K, lol, wishful thinking. Thanks for the video!
Everything is just stupid expensive these days.. even the "affordable" ones are expensive.. I remember when Rivians were going to be like $65k or so.. now, $100k or so.
I think people want to see the new factory and to understand what they can produce for this year!
Did I hear this wrong? Because I thought they said this would be solar power by plates on the truck - if not, it is a fabulous idea, and this vehicle could keep one right on the top of the cab. Charging while it's running sounds good.
At war where will be the charging stationswait stop the warning got to charge my truck lol
Yes! I want one!
I'm probably still going to wait for a true cabover. This is pretty close, but it won't be worth the money for me, individually. I will not compromise my desire to sit on the steer axle.
They need think expanding to Canada market too
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A Dodge A100 for The 21st Century.
I doubt this will be in convoys or in combat in any capacity. If the Army takes this, it will be a base vehicle / transport. Which is great, right now we use all these old "bread trucks" from the 1980s that are of extremely low quality and have poor milage.
How does the Army plan to recharge their EV's in the field? (Still will need standard fuel and generators). So the need for dangerous fuel convoys may be reduced, but not eliminated. How practical are solar panels (after dark?)
From the side, this looks very similar to the VW Vanagon single cab pickups made from the mid 70s to 1990
This truck reminds me of the Volkswagen truck in the 60's
this can only be used for going out and recruiting, lol
25 mile long extension cord?
I want one of these so bad
I want a canoo with the front seat over the front axle
I am so enamored with the canoo pickup truck, adventure vehicle...
Why would they curve the end of the bed in? It makes a 4x8 sheet of plywood almost fit in but not quite. I suppose it can always ride up over the end.
Will the truck come with 4x4 capabilities and will it extend the miles obtainable past charging?
I don’t understand why GOEV, their stock continues to drop. Seems like a great investment opportunity.
It's entirely feasible to charge 6+ with a portable diesel generator mounted on one for military applications. Running a diesel generator to charge several vehicles is more efficient than running many diesel engines all day. I think the heavy construction industry is going to see the benefits of electric motors on heavy equipment and begin to transition. Grid when it's there, diesel generator when it's not. Charge speed for batteries seems to be climbing to unimaginable speeds compared to 10 years ago.
I love this comment. Thank you. This tech might not be ready for prime time right now, but just look at how quickly battery tech is progressing. Start testing now, be ahead of the game when the tech catches up. Thanks for the comment my man!
I don't think an EV will ever be a suitable replacement for ICE, but they are great supplements. I would love to have one of these for local errands. The range is my main problem with them, but there's no reason they couldn't offer a battery pack that slides into the bed ( like a big version of cordless tool batteries) to double or triple the range when you need to make a longer trip. For military purposes, they could always have battery packs charging for quick swaps. That would be quicker and therefore safer than refueling an ICE vehicle in the field.
Alot of the US military's interest in EV/Hybrids is cause of how quiet they run. But considering I've now seen 2 videos by 2 different Ford Lightning owners losing half their range in what I consider above freezing temps (37F), I wonder how these will handle Alaska.
2:17 Huh. So are these pictures showing the raised suspension because i cant tell the difference. It just doesn't look like it could do much off-roading. I mean, I guess it'll work just fine on roads but they seem to be trying to make this an off roader with its raised suspension and tires and all. Maybe I'm conflating off-roading with rock crawling. I mean most off-roading the army does at the moment is along flat deserts so i guess it'll work. But what about mud?
With the off-road package it has 9.5" of ground clearance. A Jeep Wrangler has 9.7", so they are pretty much the same..... I have an SUV which has 8.5" of ground clearance and it sees plenty of off-road use in places you would not drive a normal car or even most CUVs.... Ground clearance is one thing, but tires are usually the biggest factor.
I can see use cases for replacing non tactical vehicles with EV's but tactical vehicles will be fossil fuel powered for a good long time to come.
For the non-military NTV's are regular cars, trucks, and SUV'd used behind the lines or on base only for all the things civilians use cars and trucks for. Tactical vehicles are used to fight with.
Pairing EV's with the small nuclear reactors the military is developing would be very useful for NTV's deployed overseas.
Agreed. Eventually, and we're talking several years, even decades into the future, battery tech will improve enough where they will just always be better than a typical internal combustion engine. Granted, they'll have to store 4x the power and be 1/4 the size... oh and 1/4 of the cost to get there. It's a long road ahead, but we'll get there.
The canoo pickup will be the Toyota Tacoma of pickups. Here's hoping.
I think this would be great to tow behind the RV. Capable enough for hunting and fishing in the mountains (ground clearance and all wheel drive) and still small/nimble enough to run around town. No matter where we are staying, this could fit the bill for both the wife and I. It wouldn't be my primary vehicle because I still need to drive cross country (or even from the Panhandle of FL down to the Keys) and I need to tow boats and things for more than a few miles but as a second vehicle, it would be awesome!!!
If this passes army trials and they price it at base 45k this thing will be really popular I think
It's a replacement for the Mitsubishi Delica Spare Gear.. The perfect all round vehicle..
It is still much harder to transport electricity to the field then transporting gasoline/diesel.
And big solar farms in the field is easy to detect and bomb.
The frontline needs fuel, in all wars, and you don't have electrical power to spare in the frontline, usually you have diesel powered generators for your electrical needs
How big of a battery will be for a tank and will it have solar panels
How practical can this be in combat? Considering the Army still have to bring fuel to run generators to charge. But behind the line operations can be a good idea.
Yea, no where close to being combat ready.. but eventually. At some point soon, battery > gas, and it'll be important for our armed forces to be ready.. these sorts of things are a good start.
Canoo needs to increase their range to 400 or at least 350
Do you realize that Canoo's footprint is about the size of the Prius? I didn't know this was such a small EV.
Generating electricity for the military will be done with a generator. What do they use for fuel?
The aftermarket mods for this will be very interesting to see. This the Thunderbird 2 of EV utility vehicles
🤣it's called a plan of corruption.
Evs have a niche, not total replacement, but a niche.
Until the tech improves.
I agree. The truck is a better go.
I think this truck is ever fielded it will be used on garrison at all our bases but not for combat development, for combat developments PHEVs will be used, and I think the military is already working on doing so.
They just took a Kei tru k and scaled it up.
That’s great where in the hell are you supposed to charge it in the middle of the desert
Solar array. It’s free and nobody takes out the fuel convoy.
If I was going to get a eltric pick up, I want a simple one. Swissarmy knives are cool , I have one I almost never use. Simple things for one task work best. I use a regular fixed blade knife 99 percent of the time.
When are they going to the market?
How are they going to charge it in field operations? Diesel generator? It's pie in the sky folks!
It needs 4 doors I'd say, but that's just me.
Would love it if they had two options... so those who need an extended cab are all taken care of.
@@GearboxPizza that would be optimal