Exactly how I see it. Sometimes stuff just happens, and life isn't "fair". It's a competition and ultimately only one person can win. Who cares if you have a harder road now or later? You still have to beat those people to win no matter what. Maybe Mena and Caba would have met up in the quarter final of CC instead of the group stage, what does it matter? How is that "fairer"? They'd still have to fight either way. The ultimate goal is to win and become the sole champion no matter what. If anything in this situation they could get their match out of the way early and still both qualify for the top sixteen instead of knocking the other out if worst came to worst.
All you points make total sense, however, this is about Capcom making money selling SFVI. Having a $1,000,000 top prize that ANYONE in the world has a 'fair' chance of getting...was done specifically to push sales the game. This goes above EVERYTHING else.
The only reason I can think of for why this CPT season has been so chaotic is that Capcom is trying to see what’s working and what’s not. With how messy this whole CPT season has been, from beginning to end, hopefully Capcom resorts back to last years format. I really do enjoy the region diversity though, it allows players who would’ve never had a chance to qualify otherwise, not necessarily because of skill, but because of lack of travel to offline tournaments, to actually show how strong they really are.
Yeah, the complaint against the regional system kind of feels like bias against other regions. Someone from a smaller country is going to have a harder time qualifying under the older system then someone in a larger region due to the availability of tournaments and internet restrictions. This way you grow the game and the talent pool in all regions instead of just major regions like US and Japan.
These regions should have to earn their spots though imo they should have some kind of system for that. If they just job out every year maybe they should have only one spot instead of 2. Japan deserves more spots idc what anyone says. Make the regions earn it with a fair system. The rise of Pakistani players in Tekken was accomplished even without a system like this just the Pakistani players being that good. They just traveled and won alot of tournaments. If a place like Pakistan can produce some of the best fg players in the world other regions really have no excuse.
Capcom is doing everything just like last year but don't realise that the game has changed, the competitive landscape has changed, and we have a new wave of cadual players. We were used to SFV's ecosystem and knew how it worked, but for newbies it hits different.
Nah, this was almost the same format as the last CPT for SF5+ 3 offline events. Capcom is slowly phasing out the importance of locals and this is just the next step for that. Online is sadly how Capcom intends to move forward with competitive play.
RIP NeroTheBoxer. Obviously it sucks to see arguably the two favourites (Mena and Angrybird) in the same group, not to mention the other killers, but imagine being Nero watching this draw -_-
@@OberynTheRedViper bruh he literally explained the issue in the vid. Having 4 that would be contenders for the cup fight this early doesnt do them justice in this system. It sucks that people who should at least make it to top 16 might not even get out of group. This is the exact reason that we have seeding in competitions.
@@WeirdEdzshouldn’t own a pc lol, this is the most pretentious pc master race ass comment. Not everyone is a streamer bro, most people still play games on last gen hardware look at any steam survey
Capcom treats CPT as a way to showcase more diverse regions in the hopes of boosting SF6's popularity instead of strictly being about a tournament gathering the best and more importantly consistent players in the year. Can't really imagine Capcom going back to the old ways where offline premiers are the focus.
Random draw certainly shakes things up and makes things very unpredictable, but I guess there should be less RNG involved by the time you get in to the Capcom Cup.
Group of Death, it happens in most big competitions from "regular" sports, its just sad that this one in the Cap Cup has Mena and AngryBird the top 2. But i guess everything is a learning experience maybe Capcom will learn from this and improve for next one.
I would love if they found a way to do something inbetween this and points It's sick that people worldwide get a chance to show their stuff, but simultaneously "forcibly" cutting off a lot of top rep just feels bad
Thr biggest problem with the old format was ircc 45% of the events were in USA. There was a lot of strong players in smaller regions that were as good as a lot of the top US players but under the old format meant it was hard for them to get exposure and sponsored through tournaments. (Also harder for sponsors to justify sponsoring them when they coukd sponsor a US based player of similar skill that would cost them less with travel)It would have to be an Arslan situation where they would need to win a big tournament to potiently get a big sponsorship and give their scene exposure. I think Capcom realizes that and its less work for them to just do online qualifiers rather then reach out to the TOs in smaller regions who run there events to turn it into a CPT event and help with production ect. For the growth of the game and esports side of thing it makes sense why capcom does it this way
Offline tournaments are really cool, but they heavily heavily heavily favor the global north. For a multitude of reasons, but mainly money. A player from central or south america will struggle to even have the chance to compete in the biggest tournaments. This also affects media attention, recognition and a multitude of factors. Going from this, I believe you have to allow for the reasoning that this players are good, hence why I'm fine with a world cup style draw. Give them a chance, discover new stars from the rest of the world and see what happens. Maybe nothing, maybe something. Its the magic of the world cup.
CPT or any fighting game circuit is not the World Cup, they'll won't succeed by imitating a sport because people mainly root for players, not countries.
@@kagerou254 You only say that because you live in one of the major regions. Country rep is a big deal and facilitate global community as a whole. Middle East Tekken scene is the most recent example of previously unknown communities being discovered.
@@kagerou254 no way you can say that after knowing the story of Bangladesh's player that got out of CC because of Visa issues. Local news wouldn't have never covered Street Fighter or any other FG there if it weren't for the country diversification Capcom aimed for. Loved players weren't as good as they are right now from the very beginning. People grew to like them just because they were getting better and better each time they showed up in tournaments. And they were able to show up to offline tournaments mainly because of life privileges. Seeing people of many other countries who wouldn't have the chance to be there otherwise, is amazing. However it's also sad to see less representation of countries in which the overall player base level is above other nations, like Japan for example. Let's hope for the next year to have a middle ground system between past and present CC formats.
@@power50001562 "The lead up" to Capcom Cup was an absolute joke, most of those qualifiers had no viewership and people have no idea who these players are.
Hmm. What if they had done it Magic: the Gathering style, where they play rounds of Swiss pairing (in this case, six rounds) and then cut to top 8 and have an elimination tournament with those players? I'm just talking theoretically, here.
Edit: Sorry for the long post. Okay, I do get the group F drama but I think you're overselling the situation in my humble opinion. One could argue that the players were seeded in the sense that Capcom treated every event under this year's pro tour as a separate event and held no specific event higher than the other (say winning Evo was no different than winning one of the online world warrior events). The players that were placed in pools had each won one of the acknowledged pro tour events. Unless your argument is that Capcom should value certain one event over another (ie. Evo over an online world warrior event), I am not sure I agree with the idea that the players were not seeded. In Invitational section of Core-A Gamings video on "Finding the Best" he definitely highlights the advantages of invitational tournaments that utilize the round robin format. The group stage easily reflects the invitational characteristics mentioned in the video, so I guess I am not sure what part of the video is being referenced. I definitely agree it was a good video and definitely worth a rematch as it was for me. Also, I do feel some of the FGC are unintentionally disrespecting the other players in the group, going as far as calling some of the players "filler". Don't get me wrong, the traditional system provided a bit of consistency for professional players to earn spots on the tour through being able to qualify for events in regions outside of their own. However, I'd argue that the current format for Capcom Cup has champions from each region participating. Now whether professional players are willing to accept them as champions may be a different matter. I do agree that more offline events are needed and Capcom should take a look at the structure of the pro tour but I would hate to see them eliminate the online and world warrior events that brought new players to the scene and eliminates the dream of the average scrub becoming a champion through hard work.
You couldn't argue they were seeded by all tournaments being equal, they are unseeded by definition. If every player is equal, they aren't 'equally seeded' they are NOT seeded. Also it's not insulting to say that some tournaments are less challenging; and some players that qualified have a
I kinda understand why Capcom did it this way. So i agree and disagree. Getting players in underrepresented markets is important for longevity and important as a business for Capcom to gain more global support to entice more sales in those areas because it allows these other not as known areas to have their own heros and spur up their own aggressive fighting game scenes. I care about the stories also, however, only people like us care about the stories, From a business perspective i think Capcom did it right, we have to remember why Capcom is able to offer a 2 million dollar prize pool. The sales and at the end of the day, that matters to them more than the individual stories and if FGC expects to grow to the size of other game communities , these are the types of structures thats needed to aid global support, not just dominated by US & Japan.
You’re right. The tournaments are marketing. While Capcoms goal is more sales, those sales can lead to a bigger talent pool in worldwide tournaments, a healthier player base for quicker online matchmaking across more regions, and a likelihood that the game gets more content and support for years to come.
I agree with you, i dislike the idea of having to travel to compete as that sounds annoying and expensive ( im not at that level of competition too lol ), also makes things more interesting seeing people from all over the world there. Personally i am a bigger fan of this format.
I think this strategy from Capcom is basically a marketing exercise. They are willing to trade pure competition for representation across the world. My guess is they believe this will encourage more engagement (and more importantly, sales) from new and growing markets. This is a long term play to increase the overall fan base, and maximize revenue, at the expense the competitiveness (and arguably quality) of the tournament. From that perspective I can see why they would lean more on regionalized qualifiers instead of universal point rankings. It also explains why group stages are organized to maximize the regional diversity of the later stages. I won't pretend to know the financials behind it all, but my guess is that this tournament is not a direct moneymaker for the company. So they see it as a marketing tool to expand brand awareness and sales globally. In the long run, such a strategy could also yield higher level play as new regions participate in greater numbers, thus increasing the chances of talent to appear from regions not traditionally strong in fighting games. But ultimately that is probably not the primary goal - this is a product from a publicly traded company after all. They are legally obligated to make as much money as possible. All that said - I personally think the decision to regionalize the group stage is a step too far. I want to see players from all over the world and to expand this game that I love as far and wide as possible. So fine, give some underrepresented regions a leg up in getting participants to the tournament. But I think this ultimately punishes the strongest competitors too much. There is a balance to strike between competitiveness and inclusiveness, as well as a balance between people who win the right tournament and people who consistently play well (another angle beyond the scope of this discussion but I think is worth noting). I think this set-up misses the mark.
Top comment. Brilliant analysis. If a Japanese or US player wins, nothing really changes for capcom. However, if a Brazilian or an African player wins, suddenly sales explode in those regions. Brilliant marketing from capcom.
imo, I’d rather see a 32 player bracket, Top 30 global ranking, 1 from Regional Tournament Qualifiers that don’t have enough points, and 1 from the LCQ. I don’t give a shit about regional representation if it is at the expense of tournament quality.
Honestly, the people that are mad at the games DLC and stuff coming out slower need to please chill. We keep talking about how the video game and anime industry need to care for their worker better and how the way dev teams are being overworked to death. We need to understand as consumers that a year or more for an update is a fine time to wait and if you're dopamine hungry brain can't take the wait... play another game in the meantime! These expectations on new content, new content, new content are actually unhealthy...
I know you mentioned the tournament infrastructures not being recovered as one of the reasons for less offline focus. I've been mulling this over, but I have to wonder if there's been less emphasis on offline because of how much traveling and strain that incurs for qualifications. I'm sure that for career players that's no issue, but that does become a barrier for the every man that wants to compete. Maybe they could be incorporating these regional onlines, with something akin to the dojo system from Tekken, running along side circuit points. At least that way they can have paths for the regional folks to compete, and career players to still travel and go after points.
I think the region diversity is pretty much the best option so that every region get's paly against a completely new region but it seems like people are downplaying the other players and counting them out when they completely worked their ass off to get that spot. On top of that while i get we want to see a certain match this just goes to show that a good player should be able to take on any challenging opponent that's presented to them. Saying some people who probably didn't earn is just wrong sense they all made it and we didn't. I consider this fair, though it may suck for possible entertainment presentation.
This is the reason why I really liked the way the Tekken World Tour Finals does it where where the players themselves determine which groups they want to be in and the order is done by their current rank during the season.
Oh! and secondly we have to be grateful for what we have in SF community, MK sells way more than SF however MK players dont get anything close to the pro season SF gets. SF is trying to increase their sales by tapping new markets and getting more casuals in and keep the pro scene happy and pleased. So i think we should look at this outside looking in and also be appreciative of what we do have and remember this is a business. It could be much worse.
For how absolutely amazing the beta, launch, and EVO hype this awesome game got, Capcom has COMPLETELY dropped the bag with content and Season 1. Cool new DLC so far, but incredibly shitty CPT format, shitty marketing, and incredibly mid additional content, including the expensive costume fiasco, with a bewildering emphasis on Battlehub costumes over substance.
so true. atleast the game is good though so you cant put too much blame on them. but they could of kept alot more people interested. their marketing was so bad. they created 0 buzz & there was 0 clout to be gained so players weren't trying their hardest and flying out to events and whatever
Yeah true. When sf6 launched i thought i might become a sf6 Player in the long run. But sf 6 is Milking me to death, while trying to squeeze every penny out of the casuals too. Their content is the worst and im happy, that t8 feels great. Looks like im back at being a tekken player
why not play sf6 when its a great game? yeah they flopped with the DLC but they arent forcing u to spend money on skins lol u can clearly play the game for a base price and the game is really fun . SF6 and T8 are both amazing games personally I think SF is more fun @@newphonewhodis7152
Brian_F and ignoring Mister Crimson is such an iconic duo. Crimson is easily the 2nd best player in his group and him getting two JPs is the same situation as Du
@@numa2k147to be fair, Broski mentioned this, Europe gets absolutely shafted in terms of promotions. He was saying that so much of the comments he got were that his fans didn't even know the event was happening. No one ever looks at the European meta because it's never blatantly visible globally.
TBH outside of the last two groups the other groups have more than 2 killers. Sure this one has more, but this situation was bound to happen regardless.
@@TortoiseMaximus 💀 it reminded me of dbz tournament when theyre pulling the numbers out of the box, the homie battle will be something out of like naruto best friend fight in the valley type shit
I have to say one of the main issues with lack of hype leading up to capcom cup isn't that it was online mostly. It was that where the fuck do you watch the events? They were on like 30 different channels between twitch and youtube. That right there just makes it nearly impossible to actually keep up or care. Online tournaments can be as hype as offline for the most part. It just requires actually putting an effort in to make an exciting event.
Awesome video Brian, super insightful! It's a shame that these stronger players will be knocking each other out early, hopefully capcom changes things up next year
Classic, bomb, brian f content that im subbed for. Great thumbnail. Gives me the news with a good sense of perspective and inside understanding of current events. not overly dramatic, but understands the issues at hand. thanks!
Let The Lukes, Kens, DeeJays and JPs cancel each other out, and have a Top 4 of Nuckledu, Snake Eyez, Valmaster and the LCQ winner, Hibiki The Beast with Lily! Now that would be hype!
@@BlackMetalVayu I'm out here making the hardest of reads! Yes, I'd love to see Hibiki's Lily, or Broski with A.K.I., or a Manon like Idom or Randumb win the LCQ, then go far and possibly win the whole thing.
by the end of the tournament, no one cares much about the group of death anymore, it’s all about the finalists. Also in football, all the matches are big events, here we’re gonna have hours upon hours of random matches with these random “group of death” matches sprinkled in between.
the thing is, they have something like seeding, where the best 8 teams are put into pot 1, second best 8 into pot 2, and so on, it's not perfect but it's at least SOMETHING, sadly capcom couldn't do that so we got complete randomness
I still remember that 2014 group of death upset. People cared so much about England, Italy, and Uruguay, and pretty much considered Costa Rica nonexistent in that group, only to get stunned by seeing Costa Rica topping the group lol. We may see another upset like that in this group F. Also, whoever makes it out of this group, if not Menard or Angrybird, will do really well in the knockout rounds.
Alright that Core-A-Gaming video is talking about seeding in open brackets and directly contrasts them without how things like invitationals work. Capcom Cup goes through multiple regions and a years worth of pools. If it's working properly every player there has a shot at that 1m. I honestly have no clue what you're basing players strength off of in metrics where they haven't even played. This isn't like the Core-A-Gaming example of Guy and Pablo or examples like DSP running through a weak tournament. These people were elevated out of their region, but you're attaching crazy importance specifically only on names you already know. Yeah it'd be sick of seeing Du v Punk for the 15th time this year but this time at GF with a milly on the line, but only if they actually can earn it. Everybody saw that bracket and started balling out of control indirectly calling people who went through hard tournaments in their region as "weaker players" when what they actually mean is "couldn't afford to fly to EVO" or "hasn't been professional in the public eye". Which is nonsense. Seeing is absolutely worthwhile in open bracket tournaments where the two likely winners are separated, but this isn't that. More importantly, and why I made this post at all, I can just see people already revving up that if UMA327 wins, despite the fact that he went through strong talent like Chris Wong (who I don't doubt people are also downplaying) if going to be for no reason other than the seeding. Doesn't matter that Chris Wong ran a good set against MenaRD and won out over him at France, nah it's the seeds. Bogus. Just by virtue of you not showing up to the majority of offlines. Bogus.
I'm well versed with every player in this bracket and a lot of people are definitely going to be surprised if they haven't been in tune with the scene with how strong many of these players are. My reference to the core a gaming video and discussion on seeding is to show why it matters. I also mention how you CANT seed in this format because of no inter region meddling to make the seed based off. The point is the format has issues. I'm not saying there's a perfect solution, but I much more prefer the 2019 and before offline circuit to this.
@@Brian_F: Yea, capcom should just focus on players that had deep pockets or good sponsors that can fly the players to multiple offline events than no names showing up for CCCup like last year. Even worse, because there are a lot of nobodies clogging up this CCCup we got more randoms and nobodies, ruining my fanfic of AngryBird vs MenaRD revenge match in the grand final. Not group stages matches due to some shitty RNG. We want entertainment, Capcom should make it like Valorant or LoL franchise tourney, so that we can eliminate these randoms and just our favorites playing at tourney, because fuck those randoms ruining my preferable tourney storyline /s just in case
@lknisha - how old are you?! Angrybird and Mena were once "randoms". And even if the tournament is stacked with killers like Kakeru, Moke, Tokido, Problem X, Punk, there's STILL no guarantee you'll see your "fanfic" match, smh
@@Brian_F Large issues with this format have been based in presentation. Single matches followed by 4-8 minute breaks are bogus. The benefits of potential improvement shouldn't be wholesale discarded. As it is in this season, a person's chances aren't limited by their wallet. They're not put into a position of brute forcing into a CC slot by simply having the money to fly to the most offline events. 400+ for a 3-4 day room, + ticket, and nutrition is nonsense. 2019 is an odd year. I'm not going to toss shade nor mention names but we had a player who made it via nothing but points. When a strong player who won his regions online still couldn't make it in despite being (as we found out in subsequent years) inarguably stronger than most of the competition. Going back to that as an example of a highpoint? Bogus.
I am a fan of the point system, but I think there could be a happy mid way. Take a page from the NCAA Basketball 64 team tournament. Yes there are automatic conference winners. This could he similar to regional winners. However there are also at large selections based on resume and rankings. So if a team comes from a strong conference, they can still be selected. This could balance out the problem of how strong Japan is. These rankings also affect seeding. Regardless, the seeding and grouping this year is just ridiculous from a viewer perspective.
Good vid, mate. As much as I feel sorry for the people who were unable to travel, I think it's undeniable that the previous points system was better than whatever affirmative action tournament they are currently trying to push. As a viewer, CPT as it stands right now, is complete garbage; nobody except for competitors care about online World Warrior tournaments, less international competition at major tournaments (not inc. EVO & Capcup), uneven representation regarding regional strength. Group F is just a byproduct of how poorly structured the entire circuit is. Although, the winner of the tournament might be the strongest player, no one can take a look at this top 48 & honestly say that these are the best players the world has to offer. Hell, running through the LCQ deserves bigger merit than making it out of 6 of these groups. Oh well. I'll still enjoy 1 or 2 of these groups & top 16. Plus SFL finals is gonna be fun to watch.
People are seriously under estimating competitors like snake eyez. That man has beaten Justin Wong on a few occasions, brought his team back from defeat solo and other feats. He may not put himself out there as much as Mena or Angry bird have, but he could be a silent killer in this competition.
Huge over reaction from people , there are top players in each group. There will be a great final. Old system was focused on pro players, with this format you can get a possible tekken situation like with Pakistan, or surprise like Jabahim from SA beating Tokido.
I was in the "this is dumb" camp but the more I'm thinking about it, the less I think it's a real issue. Do I want Angrybird vs MenaRD in grand finals? Not really. 😅 I'm more interested in upsets than anything, I don't care much for this specific rivalry. So from this pov, then Group F is great because it increases the chances of upsets. It's more chaotic and less predictable. If you try to seed players too much it leads to obvious outcomes. What if Ending Walker eliminates Mena from the very beginning? I personally would love to see it. 😂 But maybe my anti Mena bias is showing. :) On one hand you can say it makes the matches less important than they could be, but it's also going to make it that much more intense for the players because they'll be fighting for their lives.
It is very important that the next cup will have in person qualifiers that get more seats than the online ones. I also think they need to figure out the Japan situation... not really sure if there is a good solution to this but certainly should be able to improve over the current systems.
My only thing is everyone says that the number one seed should go against like the 32nd seed. Like how is that fair to number 32? Think he wants to get knocked out by punk in the first round bc “it’s better for the stories”?
@@BrainGeniusEditor Then the top dogs have earned their chance to fight each other first. Still not explaining how it's good that a low seeded player has to fight against the top player in the first group match
Capcom needs to invest more on SF6. Yes, they did prizewise, but other areas seem lackluster. But will they? Afterall, they have plenty of other projects.
IMO the best way to do the random drawings was to have two or more groups of players to draw from. Select those groups carefully to ensure that nobody from the same region is in the same group/pile. Draw from a pile until it is depleted and move on to the next one. There still may be some strong groups, but this guarantees that you won't end up with MenaRD and Caba in the same group. I don't mind death pools. I just hate seeing players that play and travel together potentially are forced to compete so early. Mena vs Caba in grand finals could have been possible and would have been a great story.
On the bright side, it'll make the group stage more fun and unpredictable. You'll see high stake matches from the beginning and getting out of groups will be a bloodbath. At least for most groups... There are a couple ones that are definitely not stacked at all.
I’d like to see them doing the old offline points system again mixed with an online premier from each region. If the purpose of the Pro Tour is to develop scenes in underrepresented countries, having Capcom sponsor their tournaments as offline premiers would really help. They could do the online world warrior again instead of the online premiers but I think having 2 different point systems would be too much
The best part about CPT is gonna be the LCQ. Apart from the boring groups and no announcements. The tournament isnt that interesting if some of the best players in the world can't make it in
I mean, what they could do to avoid these grouping fiascos is simply to give players rankings and spread the players evenly with their ranks in mind. Idk, bring back points so that the players that win and place high the most get the top ranks. The regional group making doesnt work
Region locking is one of the worst ideas Capcom has had for the competitive scene (and lord knows there's a lot of competition to get on that list). Say what you will about MenaRD's personality, but he didn't need his region disproportionately favored in order to prove himself. Mena kicked ass locally and overseas. The world has done a good job of catching up, but Japan is still the best region for SF in the world. The fact that due to region lock we have as many South Africans and Chinese nationals qualifying as Japanese (not counting the LCQ spot) is a joke. No hate on those players, but we all know that if this was a global competition that the final representation would look incredibly different. It's quite disappointing because this was supposed to be the great SF tournament of the year, but the region locking and terrible group draws has really taken a lot of wind out of their sails.
These concerns and complaints are valid but essentially growing pains. Zoom out to the 5 year plan, the goal for Capcom is to grow the pie by giving different communities the spotlight, attract sponsors, get money, grow the pie. You need to seed the community somehow and give them time to grow. If people have better ideas, then try to get into the board room that makes these decisions with the 5 year plan in mind. Instead of thinking zero-sum and evenly (unfairly?) distributing the slices, how do you grow the whole pie?
Offline hype of Ramsey with Zangief, vs online Luke vs Ken. 1 of these I remember, the other I think I remember seeing. Or at least I saw it, statistically.
I'd like to quote Harvey Dent aka Two-Face here: "It's not about what I want, it's about what's fair! [....] the only morality in a cruel world... is chance. Unbiased. Unprejudiced. Fair."😅🔥
I really dont understand this sudden "surprised pikachu face" i mean in the era of SFV was MORE worse the situation since they NEVER released almost any news in most of the events beside the tournaments cup stuff lol they maybe was planning to release ED trailer during the cup but since the pressure of the audience that doesnt have any damn patience they had to release it early i presume. Also there a Evo Japan or a possibile SF6 streaming like how happened last year. People complaining because they took long to release a character well people wanted the "quality"? Now they have to wait, we also know how many characters are coming already, better than an stupid "?" and silouettes...
I'll never forget Marn in norcal death bracket for SFV. Foreign players completely dizzying and shocking reactions to losing to Marn. Of course only to lose straight against Justin because he already knows his playstyle
Nah, this is hype! Aa far as a story goes, this is great. Brothers fighting and the SFL run back? Delicious!! With this placing, they have to fight vs them potentially getting eliminated before grand finals. If Mena and Amjad make it out to finals, we get another run back. Amazing 👏
I genuinely see no issue this all looks exciting.And as a player you should be ready to beat anyone in your path especially at the superbowl of fighting games
I prefer a naturally generated tournament as opposed to one that is engineered for max viewability, storylines, and cute rivalry. I'm likely in the minority, but I'll just say it. If the group was randomly decided, I'm all for it. The whole idea of creating groups so that you get the most watchable tourney never sat right with me. Imagine if you got a bad matchup as a player that possibly wouldn't have happened because a TO decided the watchability of his tournament was more important than its integrity.
@Brian_F Ah, I see, I didn't realize all the complaints on Twitter that mention watchability, storylines, and hype were secretly about competitiveness. Silly me. I would argue making sure that you place the most popular or seemingly skilled players away from each other until the end of the tournament, not only gives them an easier run through the tournament, it disrupts potential underdog storylines, and creates an inherently unfair advantage for them that hinders authentic competition. Seeding as a practice has its roots in watchability, not competitiveness. The reason it started in Tennis and is used in all the major American sports leagues today is because those industries are entertainment first, and first day upsets of a 3 day tournament can be bad for business and profits. There has been a big discussion in professional Tennis, the sport where seeding began and got the name, to remove them entirely, because they create unfair tournaments for those who are top seeded. Top tennis players have argued its akin to giving a track and field player 5 less meters to run than their competitors because they did better in previous events before this one. Everytime the argument comes up, it's squashed by the argument that it would hinder watchability, and lower the profits of an industry that is about entertainment before it is about the game. I really dislike when people want something, but want to be wishy washy with saying why they want something. You guys are worried about hype storylines, and seeing your favorites get eliminated too early. You tweeted this. It shouldn't suddenly change to being about honest competition when someone disagrees with that stance. Truly random brackets are honest competition.
I top to bottom 1000% disagree with everything you mentioned in regards to the purpose of seeding. Please watch the core a gaming video regarding seeding. If you disagree with that analysis, then I have nothing left to argue you with you we just disagree fundamentally. A more competitive tournament improves the viewability of the tournament, as the best players end up fighting closer and closer to the championship set to ensure there is tension in the final rounds rather than just blowouts all on one side of the bracket. Of course we could just put all top 6 players in the world in one group, making the other placings in the top 16 meaningless as only 1st and 2nd have value in that point. Seeding ensures more placements outside of 1st and 2nd are more accurate in a reflection of the players skill amongst the field, rather than being the result of "luck" and "randomness" in the draws. If you disagree here, I can't do anything else to change your mind. We'll have to disagree
I really don’t mind the release schedule myself. The costumes and character have been such high quality that I don’t mind the devs taking more time on them. Much better slow high quality Releases than fast low quality releases. I know SF6 isn’t perfect, but I’m just so happy with the quality of the game.
There are definitely pros and cons to the seeding, however I can't classify someone as a "weak" player if they were able to make it to Cap Cup. There is always room for fresh and new blood to come up. Mena and Angry bird is still a fresh rivalry. It's not even a year old yet, but their rivalry makes it feel longer
I’m just going to say it: Capcom Cup NEEDS Punk. If Punk doesn’t get in this could be a bad watch imo. That’s on top of the Group F stuff. I’m going to lose 3 watchable players after Group F Alone!
This feels like a World Cup tourney. A group of death, a breeze group. and match up hell. All from a random draw.
world cups are at least seeded though
@zackswitch9656 only the top 7 counties are seeded
At least you get it feels like its the Americans that don't
Exactly how I see it. Sometimes stuff just happens, and life isn't "fair". It's a competition and ultimately only one person can win. Who cares if you have a harder road now or later? You still have to beat those people to win no matter what. Maybe Mena and Caba would have met up in the quarter final of CC instead of the group stage, what does it matter? How is that "fairer"? They'd still have to fight either way. The ultimate goal is to win and become the sole champion no matter what. If anything in this situation they could get their match out of the way early and still both qualify for the top sixteen instead of knocking the other out if worst came to worst.
@@Bubbs_KahnIt really does feel like an american thing
It's insane that one of Endingwalker, AngryBird, and MenaRD is guaranteed to walk away with 2k and a group stage elimination.
Gonna put my neck out there and say giraffe is gonna take it
putting my faith in God
Giraffe is a pain in the neck.
Did you even take any time with this pick? There’s a reason giraffes are endangered, it’s because they suck at street fighter.
I have never heard of them, but LCQWinner out of Group H is gonna do work. Just have a feeling.
@@That-KidDo you may say I’m reaching… or that it’s a stretch… but giraffe is still my pick.
I’ll let myself out now
All you points make total sense, however, this is about Capcom making money selling SFVI. Having a $1,000,000 top prize that ANYONE in the world has a 'fair' chance of getting...was done specifically to push sales the game. This goes above EVERYTHING else.
As it should. They dont care who the BEST is, prize pools go under "advertising" in the budget
Sports has always been about entertainment. Its relevance is based on how many eyes are on it, not how many players are in it.
Snake Eyez getting all the Dee Jays is funny as hell too.
The only reason I can think of for why this CPT season has been so chaotic is that Capcom is trying to see what’s working and what’s not. With how messy this whole CPT season has been, from beginning to end, hopefully Capcom resorts back to last years format.
I really do enjoy the region diversity though, it allows players who would’ve never had a chance to qualify otherwise, not necessarily because of skill, but because of lack of travel to offline tournaments, to actually show how strong they really are.
Yeah, the complaint against the regional system kind of feels like bias against other regions. Someone from a smaller country is going to have a harder time qualifying under the older system then someone in a larger region due to the availability of tournaments and internet restrictions. This way you grow the game and the talent pool in all regions instead of just major regions like US and Japan.
These regions should have to earn their spots though imo they should have some kind of system for that. If they just job out every year maybe they should have only one spot instead of 2. Japan deserves more spots idc what anyone says. Make the regions earn it with a fair system.
The rise of Pakistani players in Tekken was accomplished even without a system like this just the Pakistani players being that good. They just traveled and won alot of tournaments. If a place like Pakistan can produce some of the best fg players in the world other regions really have no excuse.
i mean, capcom can just copy tekken's dojo system...
Capcom is doing everything just like last year but don't realise that the game has changed, the competitive landscape has changed, and we have a new wave of cadual players. We were used to SFV's ecosystem and knew how it worked, but for newbies it hits different.
Nah, this was almost the same format as the last CPT for SF5+ 3 offline events. Capcom is slowly phasing out the importance of locals and this is just the next step for that. Online is sadly how Capcom intends to move forward with competitive play.
RIP NeroTheBoxer. Obviously it sucks to see arguably the two favourites (Mena and Angrybird) in the same group, not to mention the other killers, but imagine being Nero watching this draw -_-
we'll see...
The real favorites amongst players are Fuudo or Angrybird
Challenge accepted.
Why does it suck? Do you NOT like to see high level play on both sides? This whole sitch is mega overblown.
@@OberynTheRedViper bruh he literally explained the issue in the vid. Having 4 that would be contenders for the cup fight this early doesnt do them justice in this system. It sucks that people who should at least make it to top 16 might not even get out of group. This is the exact reason that we have seeding in competitions.
This man's ram fighting for it's life with all those tabs open.
What year are you in? If you don't have 32gbs ram minimum and a 12th gen+ CPU then u shouldn't own a PC. Gets your ram up
@@WeirdEdzshouldn’t own a pc lol, this is the most pretentious pc master race ass comment. Not everyone is a streamer bro, most people still play games on last gen hardware look at any steam survey
@@HelloThereWhyagree
Bruh, a SINGLE chrome tab is already maxing out your ram.... what's a few more?
Group F
-Superman
-Gojo Satoru
-Frieren
-Roman Reigns
-Tesla Supertruck
-Buffalo Wild Wings Wednesday Night Locals SF6 Champion
Tesla supertruck..Roman reigns 😂😂
LMFAO, Hahahahahaha
Capcom treats CPT as a way to showcase more diverse regions in the hopes of boosting SF6's popularity instead of strictly being about a tournament gathering the best and more importantly consistent players in the year. Can't really imagine Capcom going back to the old ways where offline premiers are the focus.
Random draw certainly shakes things up and makes things very unpredictable, but I guess there should be less RNG involved by the time you get in to the Capcom Cup.
Brian really should commentate, his cadence is on point and he has a natural commentator voice
He does commentate
Even has the hair
great thumbnail lmfao
rooting for GIRAFFE for the bracket upset
Tokido vs Mike Tyson in Grand Finals for sure
god vs giraffe is going to be such a good match the no1 and no2 battling it out in pools is awesome
It's like a fucking SaltyBet match. 😆
Group of Death, it happens in most big competitions from "regular" sports, its just sad that this one in the Cap Cup has Mena and AngryBird the top 2. But i guess everything is a learning experience maybe Capcom will learn from this and improve for next one.
I would love if they found a way to do something inbetween this and points
It's sick that people worldwide get a chance to show their stuff, but simultaneously "forcibly" cutting off a lot of top rep just feels bad
Thr biggest problem with the old format was ircc 45% of the events were in USA. There was a lot of strong players in smaller regions that were as good as a lot of the top US players but under the old format meant it was hard for them to get exposure and sponsored through tournaments. (Also harder for sponsors to justify sponsoring them when they coukd sponsor a US based player of similar skill that would cost them less with travel)It would have to be an Arslan situation where they would need to win a big tournament to potiently get a big sponsorship and give their scene exposure.
I think Capcom realizes that and its less work for them to just do online qualifiers rather then reach out to the TOs in smaller regions who run there events to turn it into a CPT event and help with production ect. For the growth of the game and esports side of thing it makes sense why capcom does it this way
With the prevalence of Ken vs Luke and then this, it really feels like the LCQ is going to be the highlight of Capcom cup this year
It certainly was the highlight for me last year. Zhen's run from LCQ to Grand Finals was bonkers!
Always is lol
Offline tournaments are really cool, but they heavily heavily heavily favor the global north. For a multitude of reasons, but mainly money.
A player from central or south america will struggle to even have the chance to compete in the biggest tournaments. This also affects media attention, recognition and a multitude of factors.
Going from this, I believe you have to allow for the reasoning that this players are good, hence why I'm fine with a world cup style draw.
Give them a chance, discover new stars from the rest of the world and see what happens. Maybe nothing, maybe something. Its the magic of the world cup.
CPT or any fighting game circuit is not the World Cup, they'll won't succeed by imitating a sport because people mainly root for players, not countries.
@@kagerou254the whole lead up to Capcom Cup has been aimed at highlighting talent from all over the world
@@kagerou254 You only say that because you live in one of the major regions.
Country rep is a big deal and facilitate global community as a whole. Middle East Tekken scene is the most recent example of previously unknown communities being discovered.
@@kagerou254 no way you can say that after knowing the story of Bangladesh's player that got out of CC because of Visa issues. Local news wouldn't have never covered Street Fighter or any other FG there if it weren't for the country diversification Capcom aimed for. Loved players weren't as good as they are right now from the very beginning. People grew to like them just because they were getting better and better each time they showed up in tournaments. And they were able to show up to offline tournaments mainly because of life privileges. Seeing people of many other countries who wouldn't have the chance to be there otherwise, is amazing. However it's also sad to see less representation of countries in which the overall player base level is above other nations, like Japan for example. Let's hope for the next year to have a middle ground system between past and present CC formats.
@@power50001562 "The lead up" to Capcom Cup was an absolute joke, most of those qualifiers had no viewership and people have no idea who these players are.
Hmm. What if they had done it Magic: the Gathering style, where they play rounds of Swiss pairing (in this case, six rounds) and then cut to top 8 and have an elimination tournament with those players? I'm just talking theoretically, here.
Thats a lot of matches to play
It sucks that Broski didn't make it with AKI.
I would definitely prefer the point system mixed with the regional system
as someone who remembers cpt in 2015, going back to that format where big LANs matter again would fix many of these issues.
The pro tour peaked in 2014 and 2015. 2015 especially.
You can't expect people to spend $2000 on flight tickets every couple months just to compete.
Edit: Sorry for the long post.
Okay, I do get the group F drama but I think you're overselling the situation in my humble opinion. One could argue that the players were seeded in the sense that Capcom treated every event under this year's pro tour as a separate event and held no specific event higher than the other (say winning Evo was no different than winning one of the online world warrior events). The players that were placed in pools had each won one of the acknowledged pro tour events. Unless your argument is that Capcom should value certain one event over another (ie. Evo over an online world warrior event), I am not sure I agree with the idea that the players were not seeded.
In Invitational section of Core-A Gamings video on "Finding the Best" he definitely highlights the advantages of invitational tournaments that utilize the round robin format. The group stage easily reflects the invitational characteristics mentioned in the video, so I guess I am not sure what part of the video is being referenced. I definitely agree it was a good video and definitely worth a rematch as it was for me.
Also, I do feel some of the FGC are unintentionally disrespecting the other players in the group, going as far as calling some of the players "filler". Don't get me wrong, the traditional system provided a bit of consistency for professional players to earn spots on the tour through being able to qualify for events in regions outside of their own. However, I'd argue that the current format for Capcom Cup has champions from each region participating. Now whether professional players are willing to accept them as champions may be a different matter.
I do agree that more offline events are needed and Capcom should take a look at the structure of the pro tour but I would hate to see them eliminate the online and world warrior events that brought new players to the scene and eliminates the dream of the average scrub becoming a champion through hard work.
You couldn't argue they were seeded by all tournaments being equal, they are unseeded by definition.
If every player is equal, they aren't 'equally seeded' they are NOT seeded. Also it's not insulting to say that some tournaments are less challenging; and some players that qualified have a
I kinda understand why Capcom did it this way. So i agree and disagree. Getting players in underrepresented markets is important for longevity and important as a business for Capcom to gain more global support to entice more sales in those areas because it allows these other not as known areas to have their own heros and spur up their own aggressive fighting game scenes. I care about the stories also, however, only people like us care about the stories, From a business perspective i think Capcom did it right, we have to remember why Capcom is able to offer a 2 million dollar prize pool. The sales and at the end of the day, that matters to them more than the individual stories and if FGC expects to grow to the size of other game communities , these are the types of structures thats needed to aid global support, not just dominated by US & Japan.
You’re right. The tournaments are marketing. While Capcoms goal is more sales, those sales can lead to a bigger talent pool in worldwide tournaments, a healthier player base for quicker online matchmaking across more regions, and a likelihood that the game gets more content and support for years to come.
I agree with you, i dislike the idea of having to travel to compete as that sounds annoying and expensive ( im not at that level of competition too lol ), also makes things more interesting seeing people from all over the world there.
Personally i am a bigger fan of this format.
This comment should be at the top!!
I'm not someone who cares too much about all of this CPT drama, but I can say with 100% confidence that the $1,000,000 is not returning next year lol
I think this strategy from Capcom is basically a marketing exercise. They are willing to trade pure competition for representation across the world. My guess is they believe this will encourage more engagement (and more importantly, sales) from new and growing markets. This is a long term play to increase the overall fan base, and maximize revenue, at the expense the competitiveness (and arguably quality) of the tournament.
From that perspective I can see why they would lean more on regionalized qualifiers instead of universal point rankings. It also explains why group stages are organized to maximize the regional diversity of the later stages.
I won't pretend to know the financials behind it all, but my guess is that this tournament is not a direct moneymaker for the company. So they see it as a marketing tool to expand brand awareness and sales globally. In the long run, such a strategy could also yield higher level play as new regions participate in greater numbers, thus increasing the chances of talent to appear from regions not traditionally strong in fighting games. But ultimately that is probably not the primary goal - this is a product from a publicly traded company after all. They are legally obligated to make as much money as possible.
All that said - I personally think the decision to regionalize the group stage is a step too far. I want to see players from all over the world and to expand this game that I love as far and wide as possible. So fine, give some underrepresented regions a leg up in getting participants to the tournament. But I think this ultimately punishes the strongest competitors too much.
There is a balance to strike between competitiveness and inclusiveness, as well as a balance between people who win the right tournament and people who consistently play well (another angle beyond the scope of this discussion but I think is worth noting). I think this set-up misses the mark.
Top comment. Brilliant analysis. If a Japanese or US player wins, nothing really changes for capcom. However, if a Brazilian or an African player wins, suddenly sales explode in those regions. Brilliant marketing from capcom.
imo, I’d rather see a 32 player bracket, Top 30 global ranking, 1 from Regional Tournament Qualifiers that don’t have enough points, and 1 from the LCQ. I don’t give a shit about regional representation if it is at the expense of tournament quality.
Honestly, the people that are mad at the games DLC and stuff coming out slower need to please chill. We keep talking about how the video game and anime industry need to care for their worker better and how the way dev teams are being overworked to death. We need to understand as consumers that a year or more for an update is a fine time to wait and if you're dopamine hungry brain can't take the wait... play another game in the meantime! These expectations on new content, new content, new content are actually unhealthy...
I know you mentioned the tournament infrastructures not being recovered as one of the reasons for less offline focus. I've been mulling this over, but I have to wonder if there's been less emphasis on offline because of how much traveling and strain that incurs for qualifications. I'm sure that for career players that's no issue, but that does become a barrier for the every man that wants to compete. Maybe they could be incorporating these regional onlines, with something akin to the dojo system from Tekken, running along side circuit points. At least that way they can have paths for the regional folks to compete, and career players to still travel and go after points.
I think the region diversity is pretty much the best option so that every region get's paly against a completely new region but it seems like people are downplaying the other players and counting them out when they completely worked their ass off to get that spot. On top of that while i get we want to see a certain match this just goes to show that a good player should be able to take on any challenging opponent that's presented to them.
Saying some people who probably didn't earn is just wrong sense they all made it and we didn't.
I consider this fair, though it may suck for possible entertainment presentation.
This is the reason why I really liked the way the Tekken World Tour Finals does it where where the players themselves determine which groups they want to be in and the order is done by their current rank during the season.
Oh! and secondly we have to be grateful for what we have in SF community, MK sells way more than SF however MK players dont get anything close to the pro season SF gets. SF is trying to increase their sales by tapping new markets and getting more casuals in and keep the pro scene happy and pleased. So i think we should look at this outside looking in and also be appreciative of what we do have and remember this is a business. It could be much worse.
For how absolutely amazing the beta, launch, and EVO hype this awesome game got, Capcom has COMPLETELY dropped the bag with content and Season 1. Cool new DLC so far, but incredibly shitty CPT format, shitty marketing, and incredibly mid additional content, including the expensive costume fiasco, with a bewildering emphasis on Battlehub costumes over substance.
so true. atleast the game is good though so you cant put too much blame on them. but they could of kept alot more people interested.
their marketing was so bad. they created 0 buzz & there was 0 clout to be gained so players weren't trying their hardest and flying out to events and whatever
They ain't gon improve 😂 watch em fumble everything
Yeah true. When sf6 launched i thought i might become a sf6 Player in the long run. But sf 6 is Milking me to death, while trying to squeeze every penny out of the casuals too. Their content is the worst and im happy, that t8 feels great. Looks like im back at being a tekken player
why not play sf6 when its a great game? yeah they flopped with the DLC but they arent forcing u to spend money on skins lol u can clearly play the game for a base price and the game is really fun . SF6 and T8 are both amazing games personally I think SF is more fun @@newphonewhodis7152
Brian_F and ignoring Mister Crimson is such an iconic duo. Crimson is easily the 2nd best player in his group and him getting two JPs is the same situation as Du
NA FGC doesn't watch the rest of the community, and then acts surprised on the day. As always, and it'll never change.
@@numa2k147I’m sure they watch I just think they pay more attention to their friends in their region.
@@numa2k147to be fair, Broski mentioned this, Europe gets absolutely shafted in terms of promotions. He was saying that so much of the comments he got were that his fans didn't even know the event was happening.
No one ever looks at the European meta because it's never blatantly visible globally.
TBH outside of the last two groups the other groups have more than 2 killers. Sure this one has more, but this situation was bound to happen regardless.
The random of the pulls makes it feel more anime
Mena in Caba's group is gonna be like when Joey fought Yugi
@@TortoiseMaximusand they got angrybird and endingwalker too. this is gonna be tge weirdest bracket ever
@@TortoiseMaximusbruh 😂
@@TortoiseMaximus 💀 it reminded me of dbz tournament when theyre pulling the numbers out of the box, the homie battle will be something out of like naruto best friend fight in the valley type shit
This could've been avoided if they seeded regions by strength like in most other esports
I have to say one of the main issues with lack of hype leading up to capcom cup isn't that it was online mostly. It was that where the fuck do you watch the events? They were on like 30 different channels between twitch and youtube. That right there just makes it nearly impossible to actually keep up or care. Online tournaments can be as hype as offline for the most part. It just requires actually putting an effort in to make an exciting event.
Awesome video Brian, super insightful! It's a shame that these stronger players will be knocking each other out early, hopefully capcom changes things up next year
SF6 is my first fighting game. I really not familiar on how tournaments work but this sounds veryy chaotic
if you like pro level play you're fine, if you tune in to the stream ir watch the matches later its fine, for the pros tho it is caotic
@@ΚρανίΩThe best matches will be first. That sucks for all spectators.
CAPCOM needs to make group stages best of 3 to fix this mess.
As an EndingWalker fan, this is a very tough pill to swallow.
even harder to swallowknowing that he will only play Ed after the cup, lets see how far our boy has gotten, lets support him all the way!!!
Classic, bomb, brian f content that im subbed for. Great thumbnail. Gives me the news with a good sense of perspective and inside understanding of current events. not overly dramatic, but understands the issues at hand. thanks!
Let The Lukes, Kens, DeeJays and JPs cancel each other out, and have a Top 4 of Nuckledu, Snake Eyez, Valmaster and the LCQ winner, Hibiki The Beast with Lily! Now that would be hype!
Lily? Wtf?
@@BlackMetalVayu I'm out here making the hardest of reads! Yes, I'd love to see Hibiki's Lily, or Broski with A.K.I., or a Manon like Idom or Randumb win the LCQ, then go far and possibly win the whole thing.
I dunno. I'm a huge fan of the random. Glad they did it this way and hope they have many more.
As a football (soccer) fan I don't see any problems, classic champions league/world cup. The group of death is always fun to watch
by the end of the tournament, no one cares much about the group of death anymore, it’s all about the finalists. Also in football, all the matches are big events, here we’re gonna have hours upon hours of random matches with these random “group of death” matches sprinkled in between.
@@shingrandfatherif your the best it won’t matter anyway none of those pools look easy besides maybe 1 its random
@@shingrandfather that's cap
the thing is, they have something like seeding, where the best 8 teams are put into pot 1, second best 8 into pot 2, and so on, it's not perfect but it's at least SOMETHING, sadly capcom couldn't do that so we got complete randomness
I still remember that 2014 group of death upset. People cared so much about England, Italy, and Uruguay, and pretty much considered Costa Rica nonexistent in that group, only to get stunned by seeing Costa Rica topping the group lol. We may see another upset like that in this group F. Also, whoever makes it out of this group, if not Menard or Angrybird, will do really well in the knockout rounds.
Alright that Core-A-Gaming video is talking about seeding in open brackets and directly contrasts them without how things like invitationals work. Capcom Cup goes through multiple regions and a years worth of pools. If it's working properly every player there has a shot at that 1m.
I honestly have no clue what you're basing players strength off of in metrics where they haven't even played. This isn't like the Core-A-Gaming example of Guy and Pablo or examples like DSP running through a weak tournament. These people were elevated out of their region, but you're attaching crazy importance specifically only on names you already know. Yeah it'd be sick of seeing Du v Punk for the 15th time this year but this time at GF with a milly on the line, but only if they actually can earn it.
Everybody saw that bracket and started balling out of control indirectly calling people who went through hard tournaments in their region as "weaker players" when what they actually mean is "couldn't afford to fly to EVO" or "hasn't been professional in the public eye". Which is nonsense. Seeing is absolutely worthwhile in open bracket tournaments where the two likely winners are separated, but this isn't that.
More importantly, and why I made this post at all, I can just see people already revving up that if UMA327 wins, despite the fact that he went through strong talent like Chris Wong (who I don't doubt people are also downplaying) if going to be for no reason other than the seeding. Doesn't matter that Chris Wong ran a good set against MenaRD and won out over him at France, nah it's the seeds. Bogus.
Just by virtue of you not showing up to the majority of offlines. Bogus.
I'm well versed with every player in this bracket and a lot of people are definitely going to be surprised if they haven't been in tune with the scene with how strong many of these players are.
My reference to the core a gaming video and discussion on seeding is to show why it matters. I also mention how you CANT seed in this format because of no inter region meddling to make the seed based off.
The point is the format has issues. I'm not saying there's a perfect solution, but I much more prefer the 2019 and before offline circuit to this.
@@Brian_F: Yea, capcom should just focus on players that had deep pockets or good sponsors that can fly the players to multiple offline events than no names showing up for CCCup like last year.
Even worse, because there are a lot of nobodies clogging up this CCCup we got more randoms and nobodies, ruining my fanfic of AngryBird vs MenaRD revenge match in the grand final. Not group stages matches due to some shitty RNG. We want entertainment, Capcom should make it like Valorant or LoL franchise tourney, so that we can eliminate these randoms and just our favorites playing at tourney, because fuck those randoms ruining my preferable tourney storyline
/s
just in case
@lknisha - how old are you?! Angrybird and Mena were once "randoms". And even if the tournament is stacked with killers like Kakeru, Moke, Tokido, Problem X, Punk, there's STILL no guarantee you'll see your "fanfic" match, smh
@@limelight58ablehe did indicate sarcasm there
@@Brian_F Large issues with this format have been based in presentation. Single matches followed by 4-8 minute breaks are bogus.
The benefits of potential improvement shouldn't be wholesale discarded. As it is in this season, a person's chances aren't limited by their wallet. They're not put into a position of brute forcing into a CC slot by simply having the money to fly to the most offline events. 400+ for a 3-4 day room, + ticket, and nutrition is nonsense.
2019 is an odd year. I'm not going to toss shade nor mention names but we had a player who made it via nothing but points. When a strong player who won his regions online still couldn't make it in despite being (as we found out in subsequent years) inarguably stronger than most of the competition.
Going back to that as an example of a highpoint? Bogus.
In my opinion the best story of competitive street fighter in the last years was Zhen. Underdog nobody knew. Not the big dogs that always rank high
I am a fan of the point system, but I think there could be a happy mid way.
Take a page from the NCAA Basketball 64 team tournament.
Yes there are automatic conference winners. This could he similar to regional winners. However there are also at large selections based on resume and rankings. So if a team comes from a strong conference, they can still be selected. This could balance out the problem of how strong Japan is. These rankings also affect seeding.
Regardless, the seeding and grouping this year is just ridiculous from a viewer perspective.
Good vid, mate. As much as I feel sorry for the people who were unable to travel, I think it's undeniable that the previous points system was better than whatever affirmative action tournament they are currently trying to push.
As a viewer, CPT as it stands right now, is complete garbage; nobody except for competitors care about online World Warrior tournaments, less international competition at major tournaments (not inc. EVO & Capcup), uneven representation regarding regional strength. Group F is just a byproduct of how poorly structured the entire circuit is. Although, the winner of the tournament might be the strongest player, no one can take a look at this top 48 & honestly say that these are the best players the world has to offer. Hell, running through the LCQ deserves bigger merit than making it out of 6 of these groups.
Oh well. I'll still enjoy 1 or 2 of these groups & top 16. Plus SFL finals is gonna be fun to watch.
People are seriously under estimating competitors like snake eyez. That man has beaten Justin Wong on a few occasions, brought his team back from defeat solo and other feats. He may not put himself out there as much as Mena or Angry bird have, but he could be a silent killer in this competition.
Huge over reaction from people , there are top players in each group. There will be a great final. Old system was focused on pro players, with this format you can get a possible tekken situation like with Pakistan, or surprise like Jabahim from SA beating Tokido.
I was in the "this is dumb" camp but the more I'm thinking about it, the less I think it's a real issue. Do I want Angrybird vs MenaRD in grand finals? Not really. 😅 I'm more interested in upsets than anything, I don't care much for this specific rivalry. So from this pov, then Group F is great because it increases the chances of upsets. It's more chaotic and less predictable. If you try to seed players too much it leads to obvious outcomes.
What if Ending Walker eliminates Mena from the very beginning? I personally would love to see it. 😂 But maybe my anti Mena bias is showing. :)
On one hand you can say it makes the matches less important than they could be, but it's also going to make it that much more intense for the players because they'll be fighting for their lives.
Group F, the F stands for the F word
It is very important that the next cup will have in person qualifiers that get more seats than the online ones.
I also think they need to figure out the Japan situation... not really sure if there is a good solution to this but certainly should be able to improve over the current systems.
My only thing is everyone says that the number one seed should go against like the 32nd seed. Like how is that fair to number 32? Think he wants to get knocked out by punk in the first round bc “it’s better for the stories”?
In a system with seeding based on performance, both players have earned their seed.
@@BrainGeniusEditor Then the top dogs have earned their chance to fight each other first. Still not explaining how it's good that a low seeded player has to fight against the top player in the first group match
@@jterror420 This is explained in the Core-A Gaming video mentioned in this video, "How to find out who's the best."
Capcom needs to invest more on SF6. Yes, they did prizewise, but other areas seem lackluster. But will they? Afterall, they have plenty of other projects.
Just imagine if Endingwalker's Ryu legit takes the whole thing...that will be something to see!
I love the Mogul mail inspired analysis with all the tabs open.
You did a great job
IMO the best way to do the random drawings was to have two or more groups of players to draw from. Select those groups carefully to ensure that nobody from the same region is in the same group/pile. Draw from a pile until it is depleted and move on to the next one. There still may be some strong groups, but this guarantees that you won't end up with MenaRD and Caba in the same group.
I don't mind death pools. I just hate seeing players that play and travel together potentially are forced to compete so early. Mena vs Caba in grand finals could have been possible and would have been a great story.
On the bright side, it'll make the group stage more fun and unpredictable. You'll see high stake matches from the beginning and getting out of groups will be a bloodbath.
At least for most groups... There are a couple ones that are definitely not stacked at all.
Hiw woyld you know they're not stacked. It's still going to be a bloodbath these players grinded hard tto qualify.
If Balrog was in the game Tyson would be killing this bracket XD
I’d like to see them doing the old offline points system again mixed with an online premier from each region. If the purpose of the Pro Tour is to develop scenes in underrepresented countries, having Capcom sponsor their tournaments as offline premiers would really help.
They could do the online world warrior again instead of the online premiers but I think having 2 different point systems would be too much
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This is gonna be nuts, can't wait
So many tabs open 😭😭😭
Nice thank you for sharing a Core A video I hadn’t seen yet
One way to look at it though is that Mena and Angry Bird may certainly have never even played. As long as its streamed be happy we get to see it!
The biggest takeaway we've had for the past year regarding SF6 is "we only have up to go from here." I'm rooting for offline majors next year!
Oh man i cant wait for this fkn tournament
They really put the guy I was rooting for endingwalker out into the death pool
The best part about CPT is gonna be the LCQ. Apart from the boring groups and no announcements. The tournament isnt that interesting if some of the best players in the world can't make it in
Oh shut it please
so they spent $2m in total prize pool in order to advertise the game but eliminated the most popular players already? classic move capcom.
Leshar is going to be an upsetter in that group
Do you feel like Nostradamus?
I mean, what they could do to avoid these grouping fiascos is simply to give players rankings and spread the players evenly with their ranks in mind. Idk, bring back points so that the players that win and place high the most get the top ranks.
The regional group making doesnt work
Region locking is one of the worst ideas Capcom has had for the competitive scene (and lord knows there's a lot of competition to get on that list).
Say what you will about MenaRD's personality, but he didn't need his region disproportionately favored in order to prove himself. Mena kicked ass locally and overseas. The world has done a good job of catching up, but Japan is still the best region for SF in the world. The fact that due to region lock we have as many South Africans and Chinese nationals qualifying as Japanese (not counting the LCQ spot) is a joke. No hate on those players, but we all know that if this was a global competition that the final representation would look incredibly different.
It's quite disappointing because this was supposed to be the great SF tournament of the year, but the region locking and terrible group draws has really taken a lot of wind out of their sails.
These concerns and complaints are valid but essentially growing pains. Zoom out to the 5 year plan, the goal for Capcom is to grow the pie by giving different communities the spotlight, attract sponsors, get money, grow the pie. You need to seed the community somehow and give them time to grow. If people have better ideas, then try to get into the board room that makes these decisions with the 5 year plan in mind. Instead of thinking zero-sum and evenly (unfairly?) distributing the slices, how do you grow the whole pie?
Offline hype of Ramsey with Zangief, vs online Luke vs Ken. 1 of these I remember, the other I think I remember seeing. Or at least I saw it, statistically.
I'd like to quote Harvey Dent aka Two-Face here:
"It's not about what I want, it's about what's fair! [....] the only morality in a cruel world... is chance. Unbiased. Unprejudiced. Fair."😅🔥
I hope the LCQ Grand Finals is Tokido vs Punk
Press F to pay respects.
A best way to describe this is, a nightmare blunt rotation for the FGC.
I’m not disappointed about no new info. Glad we can just concentrate on the tournament instead of just wondering.
I really dont understand this sudden "surprised pikachu face" i mean in the era of SFV was MORE worse the situation since they NEVER released almost any news in most of the events beside the tournaments cup stuff lol
they maybe was planning to release ED trailer during the cup but since the pressure of the audience that doesnt have any damn patience they had to release it early i presume.
Also there a Evo Japan or a possibile SF6 streaming like how happened last year.
People complaining because they took long to release a character well people wanted the "quality"?
Now they have to wait, we also know how many characters are coming already, better than an stupid "?" and silouettes...
I'll never forget Marn in norcal death bracket for SFV. Foreign players completely dizzying and shocking reactions to losing to Marn.
Of course only to lose straight against Justin because he already knows his playstyle
Nah, this is hype! Aa far as a story goes, this is great. Brothers fighting and the SFL run back? Delicious!! With this placing, they have to fight vs them potentially getting eliminated before grand finals. If Mena and Amjad make it out to finals, we get another run back. Amazing 👏
I genuinely see no issue this all looks exciting.And as a player you should be ready to beat anyone in your path especially at the superbowl of fighting games
When does Group F start then? That is my question. Gotta put that in the calendar.
I hope this year was for Capcom to see what works and what doesn't. Let's hope Capcom pay more attention to their own game and treat it better.
I wouldn’t say the other groups are not as competitive as Group F. Punk said the same thing about his group and he got washed
Did buddy just say 2 billion ? Lmao
If I had to guess, Akuma's coming very early May as they could let him be playable at evo Japan.
I prefer a naturally generated tournament as opposed to one that is engineered for max viewability, storylines, and cute rivalry.
I'm likely in the minority, but I'll just say it.
If the group was randomly decided, I'm all for it.
The whole idea of creating groups so that you get the most watchable tourney never sat right with me.
Imagine if you got a bad matchup as a player that possibly wouldn't have happened because a TO decided the watchability of his tournament was more important than its integrity.
Seeding is to give you the most competitive tournament, not most watchable
@Brian_F Ah, I see, I didn't realize all the complaints on Twitter that mention watchability, storylines, and hype were secretly about competitiveness.
Silly me.
I would argue making sure that you place the most popular or seemingly skilled players away from each other until the end of the tournament, not only gives them an easier run through the tournament, it disrupts potential underdog storylines, and creates an inherently unfair advantage for them that hinders authentic competition.
Seeding as a practice has its roots in watchability, not competitiveness. The reason it started in Tennis and is used in all the major American sports leagues today is because those industries are entertainment first, and first day upsets of a 3 day tournament can be bad for business and profits.
There has been a big discussion in professional Tennis, the sport where seeding began and got the name, to remove them entirely, because they create unfair tournaments for those who are top seeded. Top tennis players have argued its akin to giving a track and field player 5 less meters to run than their competitors because they did better in previous events before this one.
Everytime the argument comes up, it's squashed by the argument that it would hinder watchability, and lower the profits of an industry that is about entertainment before it is about the game.
I really dislike when people want something, but want to be wishy washy with saying why they want something.
You guys are worried about hype storylines, and seeing your favorites get eliminated too early.
You tweeted this.
It shouldn't suddenly change to being about honest competition when someone disagrees with that stance.
Truly random brackets are honest competition.
I top to bottom 1000% disagree with everything you mentioned in regards to the purpose of seeding. Please watch the core a gaming video regarding seeding. If you disagree with that analysis, then I have nothing left to argue you with you we just disagree fundamentally. A more competitive tournament improves the viewability of the tournament, as the best players end up fighting closer and closer to the championship set to ensure there is tension in the final rounds rather than just blowouts all on one side of the bracket.
Of course we could just put all top 6 players in the world in one group, making the other placings in the top 16 meaningless as only 1st and 2nd have value in that point. Seeding ensures more placements outside of 1st and 2nd are more accurate in a reflection of the players skill amongst the field, rather than being the result of "luck" and "randomness" in the draws.
If you disagree here, I can't do anything else to change your mind. We'll have to disagree
If seeding matches is so bad... Why is everyone so pissed about these groups?
"This post is from an account you muted" xD Classic.
I don’t get why people are complaining, this is premium scripting
My boy Giraffe is taking this shit free
I hope that Mena and Angry Bird fight each other last in the group phase. Then there’s a possibility of it being an elimination round,
I really don’t mind the release schedule myself. The costumes and character have been such high quality that I don’t mind the devs taking more time on them. Much better slow high quality Releases than fast low quality releases. I know SF6 isn’t perfect, but I’m just so happy with the quality of the game.
I mean this is just a random group draw. They’re trying to replicate some of the upset potential league and other esports group draws create.
There are definitely pros and cons to the seeding, however I can't classify someone as a "weak" player if they were able to make it to Cap Cup. There is always room for fresh and new blood to come up. Mena and Angry bird is still a fresh rivalry. It's not even a year old yet, but their rivalry makes it feel longer
I’m just going to say it: Capcom Cup NEEDS Punk. If Punk doesn’t get in this could be a bad watch imo. That’s on top of the Group F stuff. I’m going to lose 3 watchable players after Group F Alone!
This is why they can do high prize pool. Less offline events, less expenses , easier to manage.