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Thank you, hearing people try and use this an opportunity to try and say “oh well they can come here now” really makes me wanna find where they live lol. Currently without power and possibly a stadium for the beginning of next season. And they take the opportunity to say, “oh we will come and take that from you too”
They don't need your god's blessings, they instead need action, because that's what gets the job done, not blessings. I'm sure as that storm approached plenty of theists prayed for their homes and businesses to be spared and well, they weren't, the storm did what it does, which is to destroy, it has no dedicated interest in biblical beliefs. Action...people working together, that's what rebuilds. Blessings is for those who can't or intend to do nothing but want to look like they're doing something, when in reality they aren't doing much of anything but wishing, which has little to no applicable nor is it remotely practical to resolving their situation.
@@HunterMaggiacomo Yeah, well good luck with that tough guy response. It's not practical. The energy that you put into that comment can be better-used in helping someone instead, which of course would require you to respond like a grownup instead of reacting like a child. Isn't maturity an amazing thing? I think so. You should try it. You're Welcome
@@moonytheloony6516 why the fuck are you mad at me??? Bro… you could do anything else with your time…. And you’re giving me a lecture on maturity?? You’re in a UA-cam comment section writing letters, how old are you?? Days of pontificating are over. Nobody here needs your opinion. I assume this is your only source of interaction in a day? I quite honestly feel like me and anyone else who read your comment, have lost many IQ points…. “They don’t need your gods blessings” got it buddy you are genuinely slow. You can help others and pray for their well being.
Actually the $18.3 million figure for the Metrodome was a full roof replacement. They considered repairing it because there were likely only a couple years left for the venue but in the end they filed the insurance claim and replaced it.
Great reporting Brodie_thank you !! Angels fan from Anaheim and we're so sorry about what you and all A's fans are going through. A few years ago my wife and I were vacationing in St. Pete and drove right by the Trop. We're praying for the people of Florida and the Southeast. Other comments here said if the Trop isn't ready for the 2025 Season then play in Orlando. Champions stadium at Disney World is really nice and is vastly underused now. True it seats 8,000+ but could be a great temporary home for the Rays just up I4 a couple of hours. Best always Take good care
@@Kira_Kovalyova Pretty sure he was referring to the Tropicana Hotel implosion in Las Vegas. Destruction of a historic property to make way for a fantasy baseball stadium that is never going to be built.
@@lovejoyb20 Thank you, I did get he was implying about the casino in Vegas, and I was trying to make a further point about protecting other buildings named Tropicana going forward.
It's not just the roof. The interior was exposed to 8-12 inches of rain overnight. All the electronics (scoreboard, jumbotron, digital marquee signs, sound system, stadium and accent lighting) were also likely heavily damaged or outright destroyed since, this being a domed stadium, was likely never rated to be put in an outdoor environment. Also, that rainwater had to go SOMEWHERE. The lowest point is likely the dugouts which lead right into the locker rooms. So the sublevels of the stadium were likely flooded. This is going to cost WAY more than JUST the roof being replaced.
I had not considered that until I just read your comment. I thought Brodie was way off with his $200+ million estimate. I don't know if he was considering just the roof. But now, I'm thinking, his assessment might be too low. Fixes will basically be rebuilding a new stadium as many things are going to have to be replaced just because of the water damage. Of course, they could forget about replacing the roof, convert it to an outdoor venue, but still an expensive undertaking. Whatever the cost, I don't see any way the Rays are playing there in 2025. There's just 5 months until next season. They may be rethinking new stadium plans. But first, find a new place to play next season. Their spring training facility in Port Charlotte? It has only 7700 seats. Is there a better, bigger one in Orlando? I don't believe so. Could they share the Marlins' stadium? I've heard already them moving to Montreal, at least for a few years, but I doubt that's going to happen.
@@Kira_Kovalyova You may be right, but the Rays owner is notoriously cheap. If he could get away with getting a cheaper, non-waterproofed version of something, he likely did.
@@pierrelevasseur2701 MLB will likely use this as an excuse to try out the Rays in a new market, just as a test. That way they can save face. They can do this without facing any backlash from the people who want to keep them in TB. Miami can't do much better in attendance than the Rays, so it won't be there. It won't be in Central Florida if it's not someplace with a dome (or a roof at least). MLB would experience far too many rainouts with the almost daily afternoon/evening thunderstorms we get here. No, if the Rays have to play someplace else next season, it won't be in central Florida. The $200+ million figure may be accurate for the roof only if it's to be ready before next season. You pay a premium for a contractor to drop everything and take your job. Plus you have to pay to have a company produce all the roof material and do it quickly. I think the hurricane might have just sealed the Rays fate in the Tampa Bay area. My guess is that there's a clause that will allow them to break the lease if the Trop isn't ready for next season. I don't even think ground has been broken on the new stadium in St. Pete yet. So they might be able to pull out of the deal despite it being "finalized". A new stadium in the current location only solved the least of the Rays issues. A new stadium in that location isn't going to solve the attendance issues because the age of the stadium was only a minor issue in the grand scheme of things. The attendance issue is because of two issues. Location and bad ownership. St. Pete is one of the WORST locations in the Bay Area for a stadium. Minimal major routes in and out. It's out on a small peninsula when the majority of the fanbase is outside that peninsula and spread out. The two best sites for a new stadium would have been downtown Tampa (aka Ybor City site) or near the state fairgrounds (two major interstates nearby, I-4 for east/west and I-75 for north/south). The reason the current location was chosen was the other major problem the Rays suffer from. Bad, cheap owners. Those sites would require more investment up-front due to buying all the land, so it costs more. Ownership is why nobody can get excited about the Rays. The Rays will never have a player like Stamkos with the Lightning or multiple players on the Bucs who played the vast majority of an almost 2 decade long career here. We all know that once one of our good home-grown players hits their arbitration years, they are gonna be shipped off. The Rays management (minus ownership) have done an incredible job with what they've had to work with. But without a truly invested owner with deep pockets, the best the Rays will ever do is what they've done. An occasional world series appearance once every 12-15 years and several early playoff exits. They'll never be good enough to pull off a WS victory because they can't bring in top name talent with an owner who won't pay for it. Another part is the lack of a salary cap in baseball. The salary cap is the ultimate equalizer. Where everyone has to play by the same rules regardless of pocket depth. You give the Rays management the Yankees deep pockets and they'd build a dynasty. Like I said, the Rays staff is excellent and does miracles with what they have, but it's hard to get excited about players when you know they will be gone sooner rather than later.
@@Starfire099 I've thought the same thing. Maybe have the Rays play in Mexico City next year, see if there's interest and thus potential to expand there. But again, I think it's kind of late for the logistics, Mexico has a team, don't they, so fitting the Rays schedule in there may not work out. Montreal seems better, I don't think Olympic Stadium is used that much. It would be a way for MLB to say, come see this team all season and if you're not interested, you won't get an expansion team and we won't allow a team to move there. If they use Oakland, the smarter option since there's a MLB-ready stadium already, it won't prove a thing, there are fans there, but will they go see this team, likely to stay a year or two, that is not the Athletics? I don't think so. You need to go where fans are starved for baseball and likely where a team could be in the future, so a minor league city is out of the question, unless it's one of those few cities mentioned as expansion possibilities but I don't think any have a decent stadium, other than a minor league one. I just thought of another city, actually a couple, with a big stadium, not sure if those facilities would be available. Vancouver for one, which also could be a test like Montreal as said above. The Astrodome in Houston, it's still there, right? I don't know what could be available in Florida, I mean a 30K+ stadium. I guess they could use some football stadium. I don't see needing a covered stadium. The Marlins' park is open. I know it's not central Florida but surely the weather is not all that different than Tampa. I don't see Tropicana Field, even pouring lots of money into it for five months, it being ready for late March. We don't even know yet the full extent of the damage. The structure holding the roof may be damaged that it would have to be replaced, making the repairs take longer. It will likely take a month before they assess that and plan how to fix. No, I'm convinced the Rays are not opening there on March 27. >> I think the hurricane might have just sealed the Rays fate in the Tampa Bay area. I think you're right. I've also wondered why have a new stadium in the same place, how is that going to help attendance if people don't like going there due to traffic? The players will never accept a salary cap.
In 2010 the Vikings were playing the Giants. The game was moved to Detroit snd the final home game that season against the Bears was moved to the stadium where the U of M Golden Gophers play football
Hey Brodie, the Metrodome roof was replaced after the 2010 collapse and not just patched. The $18 million was for the full replacement but didn’t include other repairs. It was just patched when it had some small tears in the 80s, though.
I hope everyone who is riding out the storm in Florida is doing okay and is safe. I have a real close friend living in Tampa right now and me and the rest of our friends have been constantly checking in on him. Thankfully I think the worst of the storm passed Tampa. Really hope everyone there comes out of it safe
I rode the storm out in Cocoa Beach on the east coast. Even after it passed through the whole state it was still pretty intense this morning, I don’t even want to know what the Bay Area experienced.
Wow, wow wow. something that I’ve never thought I’d see. In my whole life. Much love to every city and place involved in affected by this this. And person of course.❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@@Kira_KovalyovaDuring the off-season, they're moved to the Manatee Viewing Center in Apollo Beach, which is about a 40-mile drive away (because the bay is in the way; it'd probably be about 20 as the crow flies). The center operates on a donation basis
I saw video of Raymond James Stadium completely flooded. They're conducting a site survey on the stadium, but they've got a couple of weeks to make sure it's ready to host football games. The Bucs next home game is against the Ravens on October 21st, Monday night. They're practice facility also suffered some cosmetic damage.
Brodie! I'm an A's fan (turned Rays fan living in Sarasota). Thanks for your reporting on this. After evacuating the area, and finding some decent wifi from my hotel, great to see your content/reporting on the Trop. The Rays have less than 6 mos to fix this, otherwise I'd imagine them sharing space with the Miami Marlins in 2025!
Why not move to Jacksonville, following the trend-setting A's descent to AAA stadiums. The A's and Tampa were supposed to be contracted together about 20 years ago. At least the Tampa disaster was not completely man-made.
Looks like what happened to the then Rimrock Auto Arena in Billings, MT when it took a direct hit from a tornado on Father's Day om 2010. The building was renovated with insurance money to be even better than it was before. (It's the home of the Billings Outlaws, the defending champions of what is now Arena Football One, which was one of the few stable franchises of Arena Football League.3.) I've always said that the Trop was a decent baseball stadium, if only it had a different roof. (Tampa is one of those places where a dome is necessary.)
Have to wonder if the roof had become brittle. Wonder if has ever been replaced or if it's the original cover. Years ago the SEC basketball tournament was held in the Georgia Dome and a tornado went thru downtown Atlanta. Damaged the roof and water was pouring in. You could the roof shaking and the scoreboard hanging over the court was swaying. The damage was nothing like the Trop. I believe it was the same type of material
Florida is just taking it in the rear. I was stunned to see Tampa Bay's stadium roof ripped off yet all set up as a shelter. Thank god noone god hurt as far as we know. Appreciate the video and update.
This is also reminiscent of the wind damage done to BC Place Stadium around February of 2009, which forced the BC Lions and Vancouver White Caps to play in a temporarily rebuilt Empire Stadium for a season. In that case, the roof was near the end of it's useful life, just like it sounds like was the case with Tropicana Stadium, and maybe the roof's material had weakened to the point it could no longer withstand as strong of winds as it was originally designed to, just like with BC Place. In the case of BC Place, the roof did get a temporary repair in time for the 2010 Winter Olympics opening ceremony, and after the Olympics, they tore off the old roof and replaced it with the beautiful new retractable roof it's had since. Giving the old stadium a new lease on life.
Also the Georgia Dome in Atlanta had a tornado hit it and tore it's roof, WHILE an SEC college basketball tournament was being played inside to stadium. The tournament was resumed the next day at nearby Georgia Tech.
Tampa area here. Power popping up. Cell phone SMS Only for many. Fuel getting resupplied. Many still deep in the suck. Millions w/o power, infrastructure is decimated from fell trees. & I actually like the roof, all risk mitigated, can catch some rays, chill in shade. I like it. Good luck homeys, see ya out there. Way to be!
To clear up some stuff on the Metrodome. The roof before it collapsed in 2010 was beyond its useful life which may be part of the reason. 2nd when they repaired it, it was a partial roof replacement. Just the “middle section” if you googled pictures of the metrodome you’ll know immediately what I mean. One side effect of the half new roof was letting a lot more natural light in. As the new section of the roof was made with different materials.
Hi Brodie. Great video. You're looking at at least a 300 million dollar fix here. If the roof was torn off due to the high winds, the roof is just the start of what will need to be replaced. You mentioned water damage and that will be the worst part of this repair because of all of the stadium components that have always been inside and out of the weather. When inspectors finish their reports, they may well suggest that the Rays find a new home for their next season and get their new stadium construction going sooner, as the cost to get the current one fixed will be prohibitive. It saddens me that this has happened because it affects so many other people there in the area whose livelihoods depend on the income derived from working at the Trop. My prayers go out to everyone in Florida, especially the families that were directly affected by these awful storms. I would wholeheartedly encourage anyone reading this to consider donating to any fund you feel worthy in order to help the people of Florida who have been hit hard by this.
The hurricane dumped 18.5 inches of rain in St. Petersburg. The structure was not built to sustain any rainfall inside it. The playing surface only has the dirt watered to settle the dust and no rain drainage system. Is the playing surface also trashed?
My understanding is that Milton landfalled as a high CAT 3. Basically, the worst-case scenario from those who forecasted this impact. At that level you need a miliary grade structure to withstand that. The only reason the death toll is so much less than expected is because people knew to get the heck out of dodge. I've heard unverified sources say that around 95% of people left in anticipation of Milton.
People need to stop fearmongering. Yes it was a bad storm, it's not the first, it won't be the last. The vast, vast majority of properties withstood the hurricane just fine. Most damage is flooding followed by impacts from fallen trees. Actual structural failure from the storm is relatively low, nothing "military" needed.
I was just at a Rays game at the Trop back in August. The place is totally outdated but it has some charm to it. Yeah they do have a lot of amenities that are up to date. The concourses is vary narrow (similar to Angel Stadium in Anaheim). Watching a ballgame there was surreal as it has an old house type of vibe. Thoughts are with the people in Florida impacted by this hurricane.
Milton was a beast of a storm, hope everyone in Florida is ok. I would say hope they rebuild but looking at Trop without the roof, level off the outside and leave it off
If repairs are not completed by the beginning of next season, my thought would be that they would play at one of the many Minor League / Spring Training ballparks in the area.
@@TheBoyer19 Relatively cheap I guess. I've actually been to all 30 MLB stadiums before for games, along with 31 out of the 32 NHL team arenas for a game (only exception being Utah - having only played 1 game there so far)...but have been in that building for NBA anyway. Thought ticket sales still mattered a bit.
From what I understand from local telecasts down here, the stadium was used for first responders as they first arrived, but were then transferred to other locations, so they were no longer being housed there by the time that Milton arrived.
I was waiting for it too. He's the best source on UA-cam for topics such as this. He also has good knowledge about weather and climate activity since he's a commercial pilot, like myself.
Alot of memories with my Dad @ the Trop. Sad... but that's life in Florida. Hurricanes are like having an Uncle Buck we tolerate during summer vacation. Been through many.
The Vikings didn't play at the Metrodome again that year, and the university of Minnesota baseball team had to call target field home the following season, so it wasn't a quick fix. The Vikings were able to play there the following season.
No hyperbole, The Trop was one of my favorite places to go in this world. It makes me kinda sad that they might be done with this quirky venue. Silver linings... they might come a bit closer to Tampa, and I can have the opportunity to watch more game in person.
The well being of the people of the Tampa/St Pete/Clearwater/Sarasota area is the most important thing. I do agree it could be possible it looks worse than it is, but there are many issues which may prevent it from being used in 2025 or at least part of the season. - The cables need to be examined for damage - The field does not have a drainage system and was not built for water intrusion. - How long to get engineers in there to look over the whole building? Contractors and engineers are needed for many other important functions as part of the rebuilding of the area. - The roof is customized. They would need to find a company who has the capability of manufacturing the pieces to fix the roof. They may have to retooled to do it. - If the Rays have to play at a temporary site, is it smarter to just demolish the dome and just build the new park? I say that because if costs are $200-$300 mil, is that money well spent for a facility going to be used for maybe another 2 or 3 seasons when it is finally repaired? Again, the people who are suffering come 1st. The Rays and MLB will figure it out, but I can see the Rays playing in a minor league park in Florida for at least most of the 2025 season. uised
they would have moved the games to Loan Depot park in Miami it wasn't in the path of the storm, and the Marlins were nowhere near playoff contention anyways.
If the Marlins were in contention then there are a few minor league parks that could be used nearby, and if repairs take too long this time around I bet they could play at Disney temporarily.
If they determine(soon)that the Rays need to play elsewhere for a season they might be able to utilize most of the same folks used for A’s games..keeping them employed on site for just a little longer. Unfortunate situation but why not. Although we would be talking about dealing with the city of Oakland and we know how snail slow they are to negotiate anything
You are joking I know, but I think that is a real logistical possibility. But if that happens, why not just have the As remain in Oakland and have Tampa be the ones to play in Sacramento?
I can see the Rays playing in Miami temporarily, if not maybe the Buccaneers stadium if that can be converted to a baseball configuration. It may not be feasible for the Rays to temporary play home games 3,000 miles away. Worst case scenario, maybe the Rays play their home games at their spring training facility to start next season.
@@86byrdmanthey will play in the Florida spring training complex or Durham, NC their Triple-A home most likely, the way Toronto did in Buffalo during covid. I’m from NC so that would be cool but it will probably be Florida and rightfully so. Also, I assume your last name is Byrd from your username. So hello from a fellow Byrd, it’s my last name as well.
Does this expedite building a new stadium? Do the Rays play elsewhere until the roof is repaired? Could they move to Oakland to play temporarily? They have an unused stadium that’s in workable condition. No need for a revamp.
"Fabric" is woven fiberglass coated with Teflon. Roof structure is is essentially like a suspension bridge so there's some flexibility to it. Fix will be pricey it'll just be the time to fabricate new panels. Stadium structure is same a an outdoor so should be ok.
"It is only a sports field" Best way to think of this is similar to the Superdome during Katrina. As you pointed out with the cots and such, this is a venue that could be used as an emergency shelter, even if at least for first responders, so this is the loss of a valuable resource for emergencies
If the repairs cost more than the value of the stadium, while also factoring in the remaining years of use, no insurance is going to pay out on that. Insurance would only pay out the value the stadium was assessed at immediately before the damage. I honestly think the Rays are playing elsewhere until the new Stadium is ready.
@@Kira_Kovalyova was a crazy experience,,, Got extremely lucky where I am. Power came back on an hour ago. Cell service is still down but the WiFi is back on. Heard about this on the radio last night and this was the first look of the roof gone that I got to see
Brodie maybe you and the coach John Quintera can work together for a so Cal nor Cal sports show with national sports issues to go along with it food for thought
Former (life) insurance employee. A building like a stadium most surely has to be insured, and the insurers will likely get help paying for the claim via a "reinsurance" company (which assists insurers in paying claims during big events like hurricanes, via pricey reinsurance policies). Insurers could also require that the new Rays stadium's roof be more solid like, say, Houston or Milwaukee's baseball stadiums instead of the fabric the Trop used. As for a temporary stadium, Omaha's could fill in. It seats more than 10,000 and looks like a version of Kansas City's park with a much smaller upper deck.
Yeah, not even a mid-level priority in Central Florida right now...Florida is already such an insurance hellscape right now that unless St. Pete self-insured the stadium and had reinsurance on it, it may go through a long backclaim experience, and end up having to artfully "bounce" funds back and forth from future new stadium projects and current maintenance ones at the current Trop. This is unfortunate, but not a surprise. And it is good for Brodie to re-emphasize that there are far greater priorities than baseball out there needing the public's financial focus right now...
Is it possible to convert Turner Field in Atlanta back into a baseball stadium configuration and have it host the Rays for a Season or two? Might be the best option and is up the road on I75 for rays fans to make a trip or two.
I know there are two stadiums maybe three stadiums can be used can the Rays use Turner field in Atlanta can the Rays use the stadium where the expos used to play at in Montreal or can the Rays use the Colosseum here in Oakland
Montreal's Stadium is under major reconstruction for the next 4 years -it's out. Atlanta Turner Field is a football stadium for Georgia State University, but I supposed could be reconfigured back to baseball without too much difficulty, and would be just down the road on the same interstate from Tampa. Atlanta would be the largest venue closest to Tampa that is available. Oakland would work, but is really far away.
No, probably not. The roof is specially designed just for that stadium and it will take time to find a place that can tool up and manufacture a custom roof, while also costing a lot of money. I even think the insurance company is going to tell them that the cost of repairs exceed the value of the stadium, thus making it a write off/condemned. The Rays are going to be in a temporary home for a few years until the new stadium is built.
Look up pictures of the 1937 Ohio River flood. It was almost up to the second deck at Crosley Field, so much worse water damage than anything we see here and the Reds played there for 30+ more years.
Completion date was supposed to be 2028. They haven’t even broken ground for it. Not sure how much sooner a building can be delivered since it wasn’t even started.
The Calgary Flames NHL team had their SaddleDome arena flood when the Bow River spilled its banks a few years ago. The water damage there was able to be cleared away.
lol, I am from Russia but was on holidays in Florida with my mom and dad back in 2005 when Katrina first hit Florida before moving across the Gulf. I was only 5, but remember it. And to top things off, my parents decided to leave Florida ahead of the storm arriving and instead we headed to...yeah,..New Orleans to get away from it (before the path of Katrina was known to hit New Orleans. We again got out before it hit by going to Houston, but even there the storms were intense.
Brodie you are now my favorite UA-cam Podcaster. If you read my this comment. You should make a video on the renderings photos of the new A's stadium. It's so cool looking that I have to put it on my bucket list to go to Vegas in 2028 just to go to an A's game. It's going to be a real tourist destination and not just for baseball fans.
@@brodiebrazil In 2028 two team that have the worst stadiums will have 2 of the best stadiums in baseball. My opinion based on the designs in Las Vegas I will make that Stadium number 1. Who doesn't think that one of the world's most iconic & artistic buildings is in Australia so having a stadium in Las Vegas that replicates that will be so much better than a Stadium based on Roman architecture. This is just my opinion. The old versus new - which - Stadium - is - better debate will carry on in 2028.
I can't be worried about the MLB side (I'm done with MLB after this season, Oakland Ballers for me) but this is a tradjedy considering it was set to be a shelter.
I went to Syracuse University, and the Carrier Dome would get piled with snow. Work Study students would be hired to clear off the snow. I almost voluinteered to do it, but I hate heights. It does seem like Tampa got “lucky.” Too bad about the stadium, I visited it once (on my tour to attend baseball games in every MLB stadium), it really should be replaced. It was not fun.
A perfect opportunity to not repair it and just build the new stadium. Have Tampa play in Charlotte, Montreal or Nashville for a year or two in between. A great way to test a new market.
It was Sunday December 13 2010 vs New York Giants at Ford Field and Chicago Bears at TCF Bank Stadium on Sunday December 20, 2010 those two games was post be at Metrodome but like you that dome roof collapsed
Agreed. Domes can't handle heavy precipitation. Plus, it's better to have a retractable root stadium, or stadiums like SoFi and Allegiant where light can come in and you still get an outdoors feel, even though you're indoors
54,000 for an A's playoff game in 2019. 19,000 for Rays playoff game in 2023. Rays ownership could possibly see Oakland and Howard Terminal as an option since Tropicana Field has been damaged? Tampa has approval for a new ballpark, possibly they could be seen as a new expansion possibility, while Oakland could replace the A's with an established team that can use the Coliseum while HT is approved? This could be a situation where the Rays owner, Steve Sternberg, net worth $800 million could be convinced to sell his franchise to a wealthy Bay Area individual, say...Joe Lacob, net worth $3 Billion, in exchange for MLB granting him a new Tampa expansion team to go with that approved ballpark? Oakland officials and business leaders should talk with Lacob, as well as the Haas Family and Levi-Strauss about putting an exploratory group together to see about first getting the Rays here since their existing ballpark is damaged. Then, sell Stetnberg on why Oakland IS a Major League city. Perhaps Sternberg could sell a controlling interest in the Rays to Lacob and retain a minority ownership position. Maybe the New York born Sternberg and the Massachusetts born Lacob can put their Red Sox/Yankees history aside and make Oakland baseball whole again? Just imagine the couch surfing Fisher languishing in Minor League Sacramento, while the Oakland based Rays draw huge crowds in the Coliseum while Lacob completes the reimagined HT Ballpark Fisher ran from. And on the meantime, Vegas continues to fall apart. Maybe, if you believe in such things, the hurricane damage in Florida could be the Act of God baseball fan's in the East Bay were praying for.
If Tropicana is unusable, they likely would play their "home" games somewhere else. One of the closer alternatives would be just outside of Orlando at the Wide World of Sports Complex at Walt Disney World. Capacity is only 7,500, but I'm sure there are ways to increase it. The Rays could also look into doing a series say, at Rickwood Field in Birmingham, Alabama. Jacksonville may also be on the table as the Jumbo Shrimp have one of the larger parks in AAA.
Why replace the roof look into adding drainage a grass or better artificial turf field and adjust lighting and sound system and have it be open air for the remaining years. It could peak fan interest. To those who were in the path of Milton I hope you’re safe.
If Tropicana Field is ultimately deemed a total loss... 1) Both the Rays and Athletics should suspend operations while their respective new ballparks are built. I believe that MLB doesn't want its own version of the NHL's Mullett Arena situation, playing Major League games in Minor League parks long term. 2) While the Rays and A's are on hiatus, MLB should open the expansion process, so that if/when the Rays' and A's parks open in 2028, expansion can follow within 5 years. 3) Since the AL would only have 13 teams if the Rays and A's go on hiatus, an NL team would temporarily move the AL, bringing both leagues to 14 teams each. 4) Temporarily realign the AL and NL to two divisions per league, seven teams per division. 4a) AL East: BOS, NYY, BAL, TOR, CLE, DET, CWS. AL West: MIN, KC, TEX, HOU, ARI, LAA, SEA. 4b) NL East: NYM, PHI, PIT, WSH, ATL, MIA, CIN. NL West: CHC, MIL, STL, COL, SD, LAD, SF. 5) Revise the playoff format slightly, doing it similar to the NHL's format. The division winners still get their bye to the Division Series, while the division runner-ups host the Wild Card Series against the next two teams with the best record.
I was thinking this too made a comment on Depressed Ginger's video about it. They should just deactivate both teams, give them the chance to come back if they actually build a new stadium. You could even do more switching around for better regional continuity, switch seattle anaheim and arizona to nl west, and switch CHC, MIL, STL to AL West. It would be a temporary thing until the league reexpands to 30 and/or 32. So that the NL West becomes the defacto Pacific Division and travel times are easier for division rivals. If neither team ends up following through on their new stadium, MLB could expand to Raleigh, Nashville, Salt Lake City and Portland from 28 to 32.
Why not have the Rays play in Atlanta at old Turner Field (which is still being used as a college football stadium), and is just down the road from Tampa on Interstate 75. That way they get a proper, MLB calibre stadium while the new one is built.
I think the MLB players Union would not sign off on that, as they would lose 2 rosters full of player salaries....UNLESS the MLB agrees to expand the roster size proportionately.
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In the future, could you do a video titled “Why can’t Major League Football get off the ground.”
Brodie is becoming the national go to for sports facilities reporting.
He really is
At least for the west coast
@@SwooshBA1 he covers it all I feel like
Someone at ESPN or Fox Sports needs to give him a call.
Nah…he’s becoming the next hater. Like zennie62. Always having something negative to say.
That's crazy. You're a good dude for putting this in context to homes. Prayers to the folks in Florida.
The same day the Tropicana Hotel is imploded in Vegas for the A's stadium, Tropicana field lost its roof in the hurricane! Bad day for Tropicana.
🤥...TROPICANA TWISTERS....USED TA GIVE ME A BAD CASE OF THE NUMBERS TWO'S......
🙏 for the people of Florida and to those who had to go through the hurricanes. God Bless you all 🙏
Thank you, hearing people try and use this an opportunity to try and say “oh well they can come here now” really makes me wanna find where they live lol. Currently without power and possibly a stadium for the beginning of next season. And they take the opportunity to say, “oh we will come and take that from you too”
They don't need your god's blessings, they instead need action, because that's what gets the job done, not blessings. I'm sure as that storm approached plenty of theists prayed for their homes and businesses to be spared and well, they weren't, the storm did what it does, which is to destroy, it has no dedicated interest in biblical beliefs.
Action...people working together, that's what rebuilds. Blessings is for those who can't or intend to do nothing but want to look like they're doing something, when in reality they aren't doing much of anything but wishing, which has little to no applicable nor is it remotely practical to resolving their situation.
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Yeah, well good luck with that tough guy response. It's not practical.
The energy that you put into that comment can be better-used in helping someone instead, which of course would require you to respond like a grownup instead of reacting like a child.
Isn't maturity an amazing thing?
I think so.
You should try it.
You're Welcome
@@moonytheloony6516 what the hell are you on about?
@@moonytheloony6516 why the fuck are you mad at me??? Bro… you could do anything else with your time…. And you’re giving me a lecture on maturity?? You’re in a UA-cam comment section writing letters, how old are you?? Days of pontificating are over. Nobody here needs your opinion. I assume this is your only source of interaction in a day? I quite honestly feel like me and anyone else who read your comment, have lost many IQ points…. “They don’t need your gods blessings” got it buddy you are genuinely slow. You can help others and pray for their well being.
Actually the $18.3 million figure for the Metrodome was a full roof replacement. They considered repairing it because there were likely only a couple years left for the venue but in the end they filed the insurance claim and replaced it.
Great reporting Brodie_thank you !!
Angels fan from Anaheim and we're so sorry about what you and all A's
fans are going through.
A few years ago my wife and I were vacationing in St. Pete and drove right by
the Trop.
We're praying for the people of Florida and the Southeast.
Other comments here said if the Trop isn't ready for the 2025 Season then play in Orlando.
Champions stadium at Disney World is really nice and is vastly underused now.
True it seats 8,000+ but could be a great temporary home for the Rays just up I4
a couple of hours.
Best always
Take good care
It's been a rough week to be a building named Tropicana...
Hope Coca-Cola corporation is fortifying their Tropicana Juice bottling plants right now.
@@Kira_Kovalyova Pretty sure he was referring to the Tropicana Hotel implosion in Las Vegas. Destruction of a historic property to make way for a fantasy baseball stadium that is never going to be built.
@@Kira_KovalyovaI thought Pepsi owned Tropicana juice
@@gt4skyline oops, you are correct. I mixed that up. Thank you for correction. I think my Atlanta bias came through there.
@@lovejoyb20 Thank you, I did get he was implying about the casino in Vegas, and I was trying to make a further point about protecting other buildings named Tropicana going forward.
The Tampa Bay Lightning NHL team is set to play their season home opener on Saturday against, of all teams, the Hurricanes.
It was postponed and will be played later
@@michaelleroy9281 Well, even postponed, guess who the Lightning play for their first road game of the season? Still the Hurricanes.
It's not just the roof. The interior was exposed to 8-12 inches of rain overnight. All the electronics (scoreboard, jumbotron, digital marquee signs, sound system, stadium and accent lighting) were also likely heavily damaged or outright destroyed since, this being a domed stadium, was likely never rated to be put in an outdoor environment. Also, that rainwater had to go SOMEWHERE. The lowest point is likely the dugouts which lead right into the locker rooms. So the sublevels of the stadium were likely flooded. This is going to cost WAY more than JUST the roof being replaced.
A lot of the equipment would have had some degree of IP water resistance rating, but probably not to this extent I agree.
I had not considered that until I just read your comment. I thought Brodie was way off with his $200+ million estimate. I don't know if he was considering just the roof. But now, I'm thinking, his assessment might be too low. Fixes will basically be rebuilding a new stadium as many things are going to have to be replaced just because of the water damage. Of course, they could forget about replacing the roof, convert it to an outdoor venue, but still an expensive undertaking.
Whatever the cost, I don't see any way the Rays are playing there in 2025. There's just 5 months until next season. They may be rethinking new stadium plans. But first, find a new place to play next season. Their spring training facility in Port Charlotte? It has only 7700 seats. Is there a better, bigger one in Orlando? I don't believe so. Could they share the Marlins' stadium? I've heard already them moving to Montreal, at least for a few years, but I doubt that's going to happen.
@@Kira_Kovalyova You may be right, but the Rays owner is notoriously cheap. If he could get away with getting a cheaper, non-waterproofed version of something, he likely did.
@@pierrelevasseur2701 MLB will likely use this as an excuse to try out the Rays in a new market, just as a test. That way they can save face. They can do this without facing any backlash from the people who want to keep them in TB. Miami can't do much better in attendance than the Rays, so it won't be there. It won't be in Central Florida if it's not someplace with a dome (or a roof at least). MLB would experience far too many rainouts with the almost daily afternoon/evening thunderstorms we get here. No, if the Rays have to play someplace else next season, it won't be in central Florida.
The $200+ million figure may be accurate for the roof only if it's to be ready before next season. You pay a premium for a contractor to drop everything and take your job. Plus you have to pay to have a company produce all the roof material and do it quickly.
I think the hurricane might have just sealed the Rays fate in the Tampa Bay area. My guess is that there's a clause that will allow them to break the lease if the Trop isn't ready for next season. I don't even think ground has been broken on the new stadium in St. Pete yet. So they might be able to pull out of the deal despite it being "finalized". A new stadium in the current location only solved the least of the Rays issues. A new stadium in that location isn't going to solve the attendance issues because the age of the stadium was only a minor issue in the grand scheme of things. The attendance issue is because of two issues. Location and bad ownership. St. Pete is one of the WORST locations in the Bay Area for a stadium. Minimal major routes in and out. It's out on a small peninsula when the majority of the fanbase is outside that peninsula and spread out. The two best sites for a new stadium would have been downtown Tampa (aka Ybor City site) or near the state fairgrounds (two major interstates nearby, I-4 for east/west and I-75 for north/south). The reason the current location was chosen was the other major problem the Rays suffer from. Bad, cheap owners. Those sites would require more investment up-front due to buying all the land, so it costs more.
Ownership is why nobody can get excited about the Rays. The Rays will never have a player like Stamkos with the Lightning or multiple players on the Bucs who played the vast majority of an almost 2 decade long career here. We all know that once one of our good home-grown players hits their arbitration years, they are gonna be shipped off. The Rays management (minus ownership) have done an incredible job with what they've had to work with. But without a truly invested owner with deep pockets, the best the Rays will ever do is what they've done. An occasional world series appearance once every 12-15 years and several early playoff exits. They'll never be good enough to pull off a WS victory because they can't bring in top name talent with an owner who won't pay for it. Another part is the lack of a salary cap in baseball. The salary cap is the ultimate equalizer. Where everyone has to play by the same rules regardless of pocket depth. You give the Rays management the Yankees deep pockets and they'd build a dynasty.
Like I said, the Rays staff is excellent and does miracles with what they have, but it's hard to get excited about players when you know they will be gone sooner rather than later.
@@Starfire099 I've thought the same thing. Maybe have the Rays play in Mexico City next year, see if there's interest and thus potential to expand there. But again, I think it's kind of late for the logistics, Mexico has a team, don't they, so fitting the Rays schedule in there may not work out. Montreal seems better, I don't think Olympic Stadium is used that much. It would be a way for MLB to say, come see this team all season and if you're not interested, you won't get an expansion team and we won't allow a team to move there. If they use Oakland, the smarter option since there's a MLB-ready stadium already, it won't prove a thing, there are fans there, but will they go see this team, likely to stay a year or two, that is not the Athletics? I don't think so. You need to go where fans are starved for baseball and likely where a team could be in the future, so a minor league city is out of the question, unless it's one of those few cities mentioned as expansion possibilities but I don't think any have a decent stadium, other than a minor league one.
I just thought of another city, actually a couple, with a big stadium, not sure if those facilities would be available. Vancouver for one, which also could be a test like Montreal as said above. The Astrodome in Houston, it's still there, right? I don't know what could be available in Florida, I mean a 30K+ stadium. I guess they could use some football stadium. I don't see needing a covered stadium. The Marlins' park is open. I know it's not central Florida but surely the weather is not all that different than Tampa.
I don't see Tropicana Field, even pouring lots of money into it for five months, it being ready for late March. We don't even know yet the full extent of the damage. The structure holding the roof may be damaged that it would have to be replaced, making the repairs take longer. It will likely take a month before they assess that and plan how to fix. No, I'm convinced the Rays are not opening there on March 27.
>> I think the hurricane might have just sealed the Rays fate in the Tampa Bay area.
I think you're right. I've also wondered why have a new stadium in the same place, how is that going to help attendance if people don't like going there due to traffic?
The players will never accept a salary cap.
Crazy what happened to Tropicana field. I’d like to see the engineers review of this.
In 2010 the Vikings were playing the Giants. The game was moved to Detroit snd the final home game that season against the Bears was moved to the stadium where the U of M Golden Gophers play football
The game against the Bears, on MNF, is where Brett Favre suffered his career ending injury from a Concussion.
So that season the Vikings had only 6 real home games
Hey Brodie, the Metrodome roof was replaced after the 2010 collapse and not just patched. The $18 million was for the full replacement but didn’t include other repairs. It was just patched when it had some small tears in the 80s, though.
Wow within 24 hours the Trop in Nevada was destroyed and the Trop in Florida had its roof nearly destroyed
I hope everyone who is riding out the storm in Florida is doing okay and is safe. I have a real close friend living in Tampa right now and me and the rest of our friends have been constantly checking in on him. Thankfully I think the worst of the storm passed Tampa. Really hope everyone there comes out of it safe
I rode the storm out in Cocoa Beach on the east coast. Even after it passed through the whole state it was still pretty intense this morning, I don’t even want to know what the Bay Area experienced.
Wow, wow wow. something that I’ve never thought I’d see. In my whole life. Much love to every city and place involved in affected by this this. And person of course.❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Are the rays in the touch tank okay? Anyone know? That was my favorite part about Tropicana.
I'm guessing they could have been relocated during the off season to another tank somewhere.
@@Kira_KovalyovaDuring the off-season, they're moved to the Manatee Viewing Center in Apollo Beach, which is about a 40-mile drive away (because the bay is in the way; it'd probably be about 20 as the crow flies). The center operates on a donation basis
@@jamesmorris2578 Thank you, very informative to know how they are cared for.
I saw video of Raymond James Stadium completely flooded. They're conducting a site survey on the stadium, but they've got a couple of weeks to make sure it's ready to host football games. The Bucs next home game is against the Ravens on October 21st, Monday night. They're practice facility also suffered some cosmetic damage.
Thanks Brodie. The frequency of hurricanes here in east makes you appreciate the relative rarity of devastating earthquakes in California.
hurricanes happening more frequently and at greater intensities, for sure
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Thank You for this video Brodie!! Great coverage as always💯💯💯
Brodie! I'm an A's fan (turned Rays fan living in Sarasota). Thanks for your reporting on this. After evacuating the area, and finding some decent wifi from my hotel, great to see your content/reporting on the Trop. The Rays have less than 6 mos to fix this, otherwise I'd imagine them sharing space with the Miami Marlins in 2025!
Why not move to Jacksonville, following the trend-setting A's descent to AAA stadiums. The A's and Tampa were supposed to be contracted together about 20 years ago. At least the Tampa disaster was not completely man-made.
Dude, this channel is awesome.
Looks like what happened to the then Rimrock Auto Arena in Billings, MT when it took a direct hit from a tornado on Father's Day om 2010. The building was renovated with insurance money to be even better than it was before. (It's the home of the Billings Outlaws, the defending champions of what is now Arena Football One, which was one of the few stable franchises of Arena Football League.3.) I've always said that the Trop was a decent baseball stadium, if only it had a different roof. (Tampa is one of those places where a dome is necessary.)
That is crazy. It’s all torn up. Luckily it didn’t get in the whole stadium. Hopefully, they can repair it.
Have to wonder if the roof had become brittle. Wonder if has ever been replaced or if it's the original cover.
Years ago the SEC basketball tournament was held in the Georgia Dome and a tornado went thru downtown Atlanta. Damaged the roof and water was pouring in. You could the roof shaking and the scoreboard hanging over the court was swaying. The damage was nothing like the Trop. I believe it was the same type of material
I was just going to try and see how to alert you to this. You are so on top of things it sometimes scares me. lol
Florida is just taking it in the rear. I was stunned to see Tampa Bay's stadium roof ripped off yet all set up as a shelter. Thank god noone god hurt as far as we know. Appreciate the video and update.
This is also reminiscent of the wind damage done to BC Place Stadium around February of 2009, which forced the BC Lions and Vancouver White Caps to play in a temporarily rebuilt Empire Stadium for a season. In that case, the roof was near the end of it's useful life, just like it sounds like was the case with Tropicana Stadium, and maybe the roof's material had weakened to the point it could no longer withstand as strong of winds as it was originally designed to, just like with BC Place.
In the case of BC Place, the roof did get a temporary repair in time for the 2010 Winter Olympics opening ceremony, and after the Olympics, they tore off the old roof and replaced it with the beautiful new retractable roof it's had since. Giving the old stadium a new lease on life.
Also the Georgia Dome in Atlanta had a tornado hit it and tore it's roof, WHILE an SEC college basketball tournament was being played inside to stadium. The tournament was resumed the next day at nearby Georgia Tech.
Tampa area here. Power popping up. Cell phone SMS Only for many. Fuel getting resupplied. Many still deep in the suck. Millions w/o power, infrastructure is decimated from fell trees. & I actually like the roof, all risk mitigated, can catch some rays, chill in shade. I like it. Good luck homeys, see ya out there. Way to be!
To clear up some stuff on the Metrodome. The roof before it collapsed in 2010 was beyond its useful life which may be part of the reason. 2nd when they repaired it, it was a partial roof replacement. Just the “middle section” if you googled pictures of the metrodome you’ll know immediately what I mean. One side effect of the half new roof was letting a lot more natural light in. As the new section of the roof was made with different materials.
Hi Brodie. Great video. You're looking at at least a 300 million dollar fix here. If the roof was torn off due to the high winds, the roof is just the start of what will need to be replaced. You mentioned water damage and that will be the worst part of this repair because of all of the stadium components that have always been inside and out of the weather. When inspectors finish their reports, they may well suggest that the Rays find a new home for their next season and get their new stadium construction going sooner, as the cost to get the current one fixed will be prohibitive. It saddens me that this has happened because it affects so many other people there in the area whose livelihoods depend on the income derived from working at the Trop. My prayers go out to everyone in Florida, especially the families that were directly affected by these awful storms. I would wholeheartedly encourage anyone reading this to consider donating to any fund you feel worthy in order to help the people of Florida who have been hit hard by this.
The hurricane dumped 18.5 inches of rain in St. Petersburg. The structure was not built to sustain any rainfall inside it. The playing surface only has the dirt watered to settle the dust and no rain drainage system. Is the playing surface also trashed?
My understanding is that Milton landfalled as a high CAT 3. Basically, the worst-case scenario from those who forecasted this impact. At that level you need a miliary grade structure to withstand that. The only reason the death toll is so much less than expected is because people knew to get the heck out of dodge. I've heard unverified sources say that around 95% of people left in anticipation of Milton.
People need to stop fearmongering. Yes it was a bad storm, it's not the first, it won't be the last.
The vast, vast majority of properties withstood the hurricane just fine. Most damage is flooding followed by impacts from fallen trees.
Actual structural failure from the storm is relatively low, nothing "military" needed.
I was just at a Rays game at the Trop back in August. The place is totally outdated but it has some charm to it. Yeah they do have a lot of amenities that are up to date. The concourses is vary narrow (similar to Angel Stadium in Anaheim). Watching a ballgame there was surreal as it has an old house type of vibe. Thoughts are with the people in Florida impacted by this hurricane.
Milton was a beast of a storm, hope everyone in Florida is ok. I would say hope they rebuild but looking at Trop without the roof, level off the outside and leave it off
I wonder if the Rays will play in Montreal if the dome takes a longer time to repair than anticipated.
You are thinking the same as me.
If repairs are not completed by the beginning of next season, my thought would be that they would play at one of the many Minor League / Spring Training ballparks in the area.
@@MRCOUGAR1218 Would that affect gate revenue though, having to play in a MUCH smaller venue?
@@Kira_Kovalyova baseball tickets are usually very cheap to begin with compared to the other three major NA sports
@@TheBoyer19 Relatively cheap I guess. I've actually been to all 30 MLB stadiums before for games, along with 31 out of the 32 NHL team arenas for a game (only exception being Utah - having only played 1 game there so far)...but have been in that building for NBA anyway. Thought ticket sales still mattered a bit.
Seems like the A’s might not be the only team playing in a MiLB ballpark. At least temporarily
Vikings vs Giants got moved to Ford Field due to the collapse. Freshman in high school at the time in Minnesota.
It was played the next night for Monday night football 🏈
From what I understand from local telecasts down here, the stadium was used for first responders as they first arrived, but were then transferred to other locations, so they were no longer being housed there by the time that Milton arrived.
Heard about it the news and immediately had to check and see if Brodie had posted a video yet
I was waiting for it too. He's the best source on UA-cam for topics such as this. He also has good knowledge about weather and climate activity since he's a commercial pilot, like myself.
Alot of memories with my Dad @ the Trop. Sad... but that's life in Florida. Hurricanes are like having an Uncle Buck we tolerate during summer vacation. Been through many.
A rough year for the Rays. Both on & off the field. Prayers for Tampa Bay & all of FLA.🙏
The Vikings didn't play at the Metrodome again that year, and the university of Minnesota baseball team had to call target field home the following season, so it wasn't a quick fix. The Vikings were able to play there the following season.
No hyperbole, The Trop was one of my favorite places to go in this world. It makes me kinda sad that they might be done with this quirky venue. Silver linings... they might come a bit closer to Tampa, and I can have the opportunity to watch more game in person.
I honestly liked the Trop too. Not a Rays fan, but I live in the area, and have enjoyed attending games there.
Montreal lookin mighty fine atm. No hurricanes there.....
Tropicana Field got a free renovation.
It's a bad week for anything named "Tropicana." Be careful with your orange juice...
Not free, just paid for their insurance company 😂
I thinking in terms of twice as much as the repairs for the Metrodome, around $40 million... Any other guesses?
Yup. A free retractable roof!
@@ronclark9724I think a lot more 💰💰💰
The well being of the people of the Tampa/St Pete/Clearwater/Sarasota area is the most important thing.
I do agree it could be possible it looks worse than it is, but there are many issues which may prevent it from being used in 2025 or at least part of the season.
- The cables need to be examined for damage
- The field does not have a drainage system and was not built for water intrusion.
- How long to get engineers in there to look over the whole building? Contractors and engineers are needed for many other important functions as part of the rebuilding of the area.
- The roof is customized. They would need to find a company who has the capability of manufacturing the pieces to fix the roof. They may have to retooled to do it.
- If the Rays have to play at a temporary site, is it smarter to just demolish the dome and just build the new park? I say that because if costs are $200-$300 mil, is that money well spent for a facility going to be used for maybe another 2 or 3 seasons when it is finally repaired?
Again, the people who are suffering come 1st. The Rays and MLB will figure it out, but I can see the Rays playing in a minor league park in Florida for at least most of the 2025 season.
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Wow, what a thing! Imagine if the Rays were in the World Series hunt.
good point
I'm wondering where the Rays would have played if they had made the playoffs this year.
they would have moved the games to Loan Depot park in Miami it wasn't in the path of the storm, and the Marlins were nowhere near playoff contention anyways.
If the Marlins were in contention then there are a few minor league parks that could be used nearby, and if repairs take too long this time around I bet they could play at Disney temporarily.
@robertwayne808 most likely USF baseball field or potentially tampa Tarpons field
If the damage is extensive enough to delay play next season, this might be a good option to play some games up in Montreal. Just a thought
The Rays can come play in the Coliseum next season.
The next two city title team, the Tampa Bay rays of Oakland.
If they determine(soon)that the Rays need to play elsewhere for a season they might be able to utilize most of the same folks used for A’s games..keeping them employed on site for just a little longer. Unfortunate situation but why not. Although we would be talking about dealing with the city of Oakland and we know how snail slow they are to negotiate anything
You are joking I know, but I think that is a real logistical possibility. But if that happens, why not just have the As remain in Oakland and have Tampa be the ones to play in Sacramento?
I can see the Rays playing in Miami temporarily, if not maybe the Buccaneers stadium if that can be converted to a baseball configuration.
It may not be feasible for the Rays to temporary play home games 3,000 miles away.
Worst case scenario, maybe the Rays play their home games at their spring training facility to start next season.
@@86byrdmanthey will play in the Florida spring training complex or Durham, NC their Triple-A home most likely, the way Toronto did in Buffalo during covid. I’m from NC so that would be cool but it will probably be Florida and rightfully so.
Also, I assume your last name is Byrd from your username. So hello from a fellow Byrd, it’s my last name as well.
Does this expedite building a new stadium? Do the Rays play elsewhere until the roof is repaired?
Could they move to Oakland to play temporarily? They have an unused stadium that’s in workable condition. No need for a revamp.
Crazy that Tropicana hotel and Tropicana Field were destroyed within 24hrs of each other.
Tropicana Hotel and Tropicana Field both go down within 24 hours of each other. Someone needs to keep an eye on their bottling plant.
It reminded us of the neglected Pontiac Silverdome.
"Fabric" is woven fiberglass coated with Teflon. Roof structure is is essentially like a suspension bridge so there's some flexibility to it. Fix will be pricey it'll just be the time to fabricate new panels. Stadium structure is same a an outdoor so should be ok.
Now, really are the Rays 💧
"It is only a sports field"
Best way to think of this is similar to the Superdome during Katrina. As you pointed out with the cots and such, this is a venue that could be used as an emergency shelter, even if at least for first responders, so this is the loss of a valuable resource for emergencies
If the repairs cost more than the value of the stadium, while also factoring in the remaining years of use, no insurance is going to pay out on that. Insurance would only pay out the value the stadium was assessed at immediately before the damage. I honestly think the Rays are playing elsewhere until the new Stadium is ready.
im 15 mins from the Trop... this storm was insane
Glad you are seemingly okay. I couldn't imagine the stress you have and are going through.
@@Kira_Kovalyova was a crazy experience,,,
Got extremely lucky where I am. Power came back on an hour ago. Cell service is still down but the WiFi is back on. Heard about this on the radio last night and this was the first look of the roof gone that I got to see
How you doing? Any damage to your house?
@@elsongs house is fine.,. Neighborhood is a bit rough tho,, some
Flooding, lots of debris and trees down
Brodie maybe you and the coach John Quintera can work together for a so Cal nor Cal sports show with national sports issues to go along with it food for thought
Former (life) insurance employee. A building like a stadium most surely has to be insured, and the insurers will likely get help paying for the claim via a "reinsurance" company (which assists insurers in paying claims during big events like hurricanes, via pricey reinsurance policies). Insurers could also require that the new Rays stadium's roof be more solid like, say, Houston or Milwaukee's baseball stadiums instead of the fabric the Trop used.
As for a temporary stadium, Omaha's could fill in. It seats more than 10,000 and looks like a version of Kansas City's park with a much smaller upper deck.
Good stuff to know thank you
tbh I've never seen the Trop look better.
Yeah, not even a mid-level priority in Central Florida right now...Florida is already such an insurance hellscape right now that unless St. Pete self-insured the stadium and had reinsurance on it, it may go through a long backclaim experience, and end up having to artfully "bounce" funds back and forth from future new stadium projects and current maintenance ones at the current Trop. This is unfortunate, but not a surprise. And it is good for Brodie to re-emphasize that there are far greater priorities than baseball out there needing the public's financial focus right now...
Drove by today… there were exterior damage done to the siding to the trop
If the Rays need a place to call home for a while, Oakland has a baseball field available…jk 😂🤣😂🤣
They can play at Tropicana without the roof.
@@dvferyance tbh, it probably just added a few years to the stadium with no roof
@@dvferyanceIt has no drainage system. That would never work ☔️
Olympic stadium
We’re they able to recover any baseballs that got stuck on the roof?
Holy smokes! Please make a video when the cost does come out.
Is it possible to convert Turner Field in Atlanta back into a baseball stadium configuration and have it host the Rays for a Season or two? Might be the best option and is up the road on I75 for rays fans to make a trip or two.
Well, the Rays wanted a new ballpark. I guess this makes it a priority.
You have to remember is that fabric still manufactured. It will take a couple of weeks for a full assessment. I live near Tampa.
They are planning on building a new stadium. I wonder if they will play elsewhere like the A’s.
I know there are two stadiums maybe three stadiums can be used can the Rays use Turner field in Atlanta can the Rays use the stadium where the expos used to play at in Montreal or can the Rays use the Colosseum here in Oakland
Montreal's Stadium is under major reconstruction for the next 4 years -it's out. Atlanta Turner Field is a football stadium for Georgia State University, but I supposed could be reconfigured back to baseball without too much difficulty, and would be just down the road on the same interstate from Tampa. Atlanta would be the largest venue closest to Tampa that is available. Oakland would work, but is really far away.
It took the Vikings 7 months to fix their dome. Assuming a similar timeline Rays will need a place to play in April. Let them use the Coliseum!
How about share Raley Field with the A’s and Rivercats. May as well pack it in there 😂
@@troyhoffman6012They're not going to play as far away as northern California
@@michaelleroy9281 wasn’t being serious
There 4 road trips in April are Texas, Anaheim, Arizona, & San Diego so would actually make
sense for them to play april on the west coast
It's October, Opening Day isn't until next late March, enough time for repairs
No, probably not. The roof is specially designed just for that stadium and it will take time to find a place that can tool up and manufacture a custom roof, while also costing a lot of money. I even think the insurance company is going to tell them that the cost of repairs exceed the value of the stadium, thus making it a write off/condemned. The Rays are going to be in a temporary home for a few years until the new stadium is built.
can they just play without the roof for a season because it would be really funny
The Superdome was less damaged in 2005 than that eyesore.
The Superdome has a solid roof, not a fabric one.
Look up pictures of the 1937 Ohio River flood. It was almost up to the second deck at Crosley Field, so much worse water damage than anything we see here and the Reds played there for 30+ more years.
Hey looks like the Rays are going to get that new stadium sooner than they figured
Completion date was supposed to be 2028. They haven’t even broken ground for it. Not sure how much sooner a building can be delivered since it wasn’t even started.
The rays got their new stadium it looks magnificent
I'm sure the water damage will only get worse the longer it goes without a roof with how common storms are in Florida.
@@Kira_Kovalyova because they were built to be outside, this one was not
The Calgary Flames NHL team had their SaddleDome arena flood when the Bow River spilled its banks a few years ago. The water damage there was able to be cleared away.
How does the Oakland Rays strike you?
Montreal is more likely. Eastern team is going to stay East
sorry about the roof but this was a hard roof to follow a fly ball oh they were moving out anyway
How much did it cost to fix Superdome roof? It did hold up during Katrina which was a cat 3 too iirc at landfall. Didn't get ripped off at least.
lol, I am from Russia but was on holidays in Florida with my mom and dad back in 2005 when Katrina first hit Florida before moving across the Gulf. I was only 5, but remember it. And to top things off, my parents decided to leave Florida ahead of the storm arriving and instead we headed to...yeah,..New Orleans to get away from it (before the path of Katrina was known to hit New Orleans. We again got out before it hit by going to Houston, but even there the storms were intense.
Oh gee I was thinking maby 5 million or so just needs new canvas
Look it get it but let's be real it opened in 1990 it has lived thru many storms if they decide to fix it its done pretty good
Brodie you are now my favorite UA-cam Podcaster. If you read my this comment. You should make a video on the renderings photos of the new A's stadium. It's so cool looking that I have to put it on my bucket list to go to Vegas in 2028 just to go to an A's game. It's going to be a real tourist destination and not just for baseball fans.
thank you. got lots of videos already on that topic... lots to learn!
@@brodiebrazil In 2028 two team that have the worst stadiums will have 2 of the best stadiums in baseball. My opinion based on the designs in Las Vegas I will make that Stadium number 1.
Who doesn't think that one of the world's most iconic & artistic buildings is in Australia so having a stadium in Las Vegas that replicates that will be so much better than a Stadium based on Roman architecture. This is just my opinion.
The old versus new - which - Stadium - is - better debate will carry on in 2028.
I can't be worried about the MLB side (I'm done with MLB after this season, Oakland Ballers for me) but this is a tradjedy considering it was set to be a shelter.
I went to Syracuse University, and the Carrier Dome would get piled with snow. Work Study students would be hired to clear off the snow. I almost voluinteered to do it, but I hate heights.
It does seem like Tampa got “lucky.” Too bad about the stadium, I visited it once (on my tour to attend baseball games in every MLB stadium), it really should be replaced. It was not fun.
Reports I read said that Tropicana Field does not have a great water draining stadium, unlike at other baseball parks.
At this point just put the Rays somewhere else until the new stadium gets built and bring this down. No point in throwing good money at that stadium.
That's personally how I feel. Even if they play out of Dunedin, or maybe even Oakland.
Right now I'm concerned, because next March 28th or 31st, if the Tampa Bay Rays have a home game in 2025,will they play here or somewhere else
A perfect opportunity to not repair it and just build the new stadium. Have Tampa play in Charlotte, Montreal or Nashville for a year or two in between. A great way to test a new market.
Really? One MLB team stuck sharing an MiLB park isn't enough?
It was Sunday December 13 2010 vs New York Giants at Ford Field and Chicago Bears at TCF Bank Stadium on
Sunday December 20, 2010 those two games was post be at Metrodome but like you that dome roof collapsed
Sunday December 12, the game was moved to Ford Field for MNF December 13
No more domes!!!
Agreed. Domes can't handle heavy precipitation. Plus, it's better to have a retractable root stadium, or stadiums like SoFi and Allegiant where light can come in and you still get an outdoors feel, even though you're indoors
54,000 for an A's playoff game in 2019.
19,000 for Rays playoff game in 2023.
Rays ownership could possibly see Oakland and Howard Terminal as an option since Tropicana Field has been damaged? Tampa has approval for a new ballpark, possibly they could be seen as a new expansion possibility, while Oakland could replace the A's with an established team that can use the Coliseum while HT is approved? This could be a situation where the Rays owner, Steve Sternberg, net worth $800 million could be convinced to sell his franchise to a wealthy Bay Area individual, say...Joe Lacob, net worth $3 Billion, in exchange for MLB granting him a new Tampa expansion team to go with that approved ballpark? Oakland officials and business leaders should talk with Lacob, as well as the Haas Family and Levi-Strauss about putting an exploratory group together to see about first getting the Rays here since their existing ballpark is damaged. Then, sell Stetnberg on why Oakland IS a Major League city. Perhaps Sternberg could sell a controlling interest in the Rays to Lacob and retain a minority ownership position. Maybe the New York born Sternberg and the Massachusetts born Lacob can put their Red Sox/Yankees history aside and make Oakland baseball whole again? Just imagine the couch surfing Fisher languishing in Minor League Sacramento, while the Oakland based Rays draw huge crowds in the Coliseum while Lacob completes the reimagined HT Ballpark Fisher ran from. And on the meantime, Vegas continues to fall apart. Maybe, if you believe in such things, the hurricane damage in Florida could be the Act of God baseball fan's in the East Bay were praying for.
You know what, I actually think you could be on to something here. Could the new expansion team keep the Rays name and logo?
Excellent ideas
What does it mean for 2025 with the Rays-will the Rays have to play on the road all year long?
If Tropicana is unusable, they likely would play their "home" games somewhere else. One of the closer alternatives would be just outside of Orlando at the Wide World of Sports Complex at Walt Disney World. Capacity is only 7,500, but I'm sure there are ways to increase it. The Rays could also look into doing a series say, at Rickwood Field in Birmingham, Alabama.
Jacksonville may also be on the table as the Jumbo Shrimp have one of the larger parks in AAA.
@@vamoscruceros I think that's where the Atlanta Braves used to play their spring training games a while ago, at Disney Wide World of Sports.
Why replace the roof look into adding drainage a grass or better artificial turf field and adjust lighting and sound system and have it be open air for the remaining years. It could peak fan interest. To those who were in the path of Milton I hope you’re safe.
If Tropicana Field is ultimately deemed a total loss...
1) Both the Rays and Athletics should suspend operations while their respective new ballparks are built. I believe that MLB doesn't want its own version of the NHL's Mullett Arena situation, playing Major League games in Minor League parks long term.
2) While the Rays and A's are on hiatus, MLB should open the expansion process, so that if/when the Rays' and A's parks open in 2028, expansion can follow within 5 years.
3) Since the AL would only have 13 teams if the Rays and A's go on hiatus, an NL team would temporarily move the AL, bringing both leagues to 14 teams each.
4) Temporarily realign the AL and NL to two divisions per league, seven teams per division.
4a) AL East: BOS, NYY, BAL, TOR, CLE, DET, CWS. AL West: MIN, KC, TEX, HOU, ARI, LAA, SEA.
4b) NL East: NYM, PHI, PIT, WSH, ATL, MIA, CIN. NL West: CHC, MIL, STL, COL, SD, LAD, SF.
5) Revise the playoff format slightly, doing it similar to the NHL's format. The division winners still get their bye to the Division Series, while the division runner-ups host the Wild Card Series against the next two teams with the best record.
I was thinking this too made a comment on Depressed Ginger's video about it. They should just deactivate both teams, give them the chance to come back if they actually build a new stadium. You could even do more switching around for better regional continuity, switch seattle anaheim and arizona to nl west, and switch CHC, MIL, STL to AL West. It would be a temporary thing until the league reexpands to 30 and/or 32. So that the NL West becomes the defacto Pacific Division and travel times are easier for division rivals. If neither team ends up following through on their new stadium, MLB could expand to Raleigh, Nashville, Salt Lake City and Portland from 28 to 32.
Just do the 2001 Contraction but for the A's and the Rays, and actually follow through on it
Why not have the Rays play in Atlanta at old Turner Field (which is still being used as a college football stadium), and is just down the road from Tampa on Interstate 75. That way they get a proper, MLB calibre stadium while the new one is built.
I think the MLB players Union would not sign off on that, as they would lose 2 rosters full of player salaries....UNLESS the MLB agrees to expand the roster size proportionately.
@@Kira_Kovalyova Turner Field was permanently reconfigured into a football stadium by Georgia State University in 2017.