Fun fact: bowser also has an easy ledge trump set up. Just down b on the edge while they recover. If you do it early you hit them and sucessfully edgeguard them. But if you hit it just right , you will ledge trump your opponent and can go for a kill cuz you're bowser.
if you get a ledge trump as Byleth, fast fall + reverse up B is confirmed which basically guarantees a kill on any character above like 60%, and even earlier for characters with bad recoveries.
In terms of character specific ledge trumps, greninja also has some ledge trump setups with hydro pump and Ganon has some with wiz kick (falcon kick probably works too I’ve just never labbed it). They are a bit finicky to set up but look really cool and catch people off guard because the trump comes from so far away.
hi just to say that you forgot that cloud has an easy ledge trump by running offstage -> instant ub reverse towards the ledge (it's a bit slower than a ledge trump vanilla and that a ledge slip but vanilla ledge trump is so hard to do with cloud and with limit it's almost frame perfect)
Greninja can "Hydro Trump" by using his UpB while on stage. Not only does it go super far and fast, but if done well, the windbox from Hydro Pump will push the opponent even farther from the ledge, allowing for better kill power Downside: It's a tricky input, and messing it up means you die, hence why you don't see it used very often
@@vaexsil It can be- He moves so fast in Hydro Pump that you can effectively trump from roll distance on-stage, which can really catch people off guard. Plus, instant ledge trump is harder for Gren, due to his absurd fall speed
Mii Swordfighter can also ledge trump easier with Gale Stab and Reversal Slash. Gale Stab you just run off and side b into the stage and for RS you down b into the stage; both very easy to learn and get down
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Fun fact: bowser also has an easy ledge trump set up. Just down b on the edge while they recover. If you do it early you hit them and sucessfully edgeguard them. But if you hit it just right , you will ledge trump your opponent and can go for a kill cuz you're bowser.
Oh yeah, I didn't really think of that 🤔
if you get a ledge trump as Byleth, fast fall + reverse up B is confirmed which basically guarantees a kill on any character above like 60%, and even earlier for characters with bad recoveries.
Yeah, you can do the same with the Links with up b (and mii swordfighter hero spin)
Really good topic hope more people watch this video
Thank you, I hope so too!
In terms of character specific ledge trumps, greninja also has some ledge trump setups with hydro pump and Ganon has some with wiz kick (falcon kick probably works too I’ve just never labbed it). They are a bit finicky to set up but look really cool and catch people off guard because the trump comes from so far away.
I know, as Greninja main I can confirm they are cool, but not really optimal. It is very reactable. Smaz for ganon and falcon.
hi just to say that you forgot that cloud has an easy ledge trump by running offstage -> instant ub reverse towards the ledge (it's a bit slower than a ledge trump vanilla and that a ledge slip but vanilla ledge trump is so hard to do with cloud and with limit it's almost frame perfect)
I thought he had one with up b, but after 20min in training mode and not being able to do it, I gave up....
@@vaexsil once u practice the timing its essentially 100% consistent imo
Greninja can "Hydro Trump" by using his UpB while on stage. Not only does it go super far and fast, but if done well, the windbox from Hydro Pump will push the opponent even farther from the ledge, allowing for better kill power
Downside: It's a tricky input, and messing it up means you die, hence why you don't see it used very often
I know. But it's not that optimal if you can just do ISLT instead
@@vaexsil It can be- He moves so fast in Hydro Pump that you can effectively trump from roll distance on-stage, which can really catch people off guard. Plus, instant ledge trump is harder for Gren, due to his absurd fall speed
Once I am home, I'll try it out
Mii Swordfighter can also ledge trump easier with Gale Stab and Reversal Slash. Gale Stab you just run off and side b into the stage and for RS you down b into the stage; both very easy to learn and get down
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So true