10 MORE MLB Hall Of Fame SNUBS (11-20) Who Should Be in The HALL OF FAME...

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  • @someperson8151
    @someperson8151 Рік тому +29

    Mattingly's Batting career batting average is over .300 despite his bad back. Never struck out more than 43 times in a season. The year he hit 35 HR and 145 RBIs, he struck out just 41 times. In his prime he was among the toughest out there ever was.

    • @JohnnyBravo-zu9oe
      @JohnnyBravo-zu9oe 9 місяців тому +3

      The Hit Man was GREAT !

    • @drose5500
      @drose5500 9 місяців тому +2

      I've been screaming for years about him being snubbed. He deserves to be in.

    • @Iamhungey
      @Iamhungey 6 місяців тому +2

      The guy is one of the biggest "What if?"

    • @robertgetz529
      @robertgetz529 5 місяців тому +2

      I have grumbled about this for years also that Mattingly is one of the biggest HOF snubs ever and I'm not a Yankees fan either. Also he shares the single season record for Grand Slams

    • @snerdterguson
      @snerdterguson 4 місяці тому +2

      His prime, he was Tony Gwynn with slugging. People today tend to point to him not having 40+ homers to say he wasn't a power hitter, but he led the league in slugging over the 4 years from 1984-1987. He was the definition of a doubles machine.

  • @80sFreak100
    @80sFreak100 2 роки тому +30

    Thank you for including my baseball idol on this one with Dale Murphy. Not only was he my favorite MLB player, Murphy was the reason Alex Rodriguez wore number 3 during his time with Seattle and Texas as he was also A-Rod's favorite player. Alex Rodriguez confirmed this in one of his UA-cam videos.

  • @kennethcava4488
    @kennethcava4488 2 роки тому +33

    I find it interesting to look at Garvey's strikeout totals. Currently, sluggers frequently strikeout up to 175 times per season(or even over 200). Some of Garvey's season totals were: 70, 59, 49, 64, etc. He struck out only about 10% of the time.

    • @chiefchimp2789
      @chiefchimp2789 2 роки тому +7

      Agreed! I'm one of those people that thinks the strikeout for a batter is downright embarrassing and pathetic. Striking out 200 times in a season says a lot about a players pitch recognition. They must be more skilled than this. Hitting 40 home runs doesn't make up for the fact that the ball is not being put into play enough.

    • @brandons4301
      @brandons4301 2 роки тому

      @Chief Chimp well it's not pathetic so maybe rethink the way you think about it. It's a very common outcome of an at bat.

    • @terrenceliburd8655
      @terrenceliburd8655 Рік тому +1

      He grounded out alot. That's how he got out basically.

    • @lon9047
      @lon9047 Рік тому

      @@brandons4301Doesn’t have to be though

    • @JohnSmith-zw8vp
      @JohnSmith-zw8vp Рік тому +2

      Steve would've made it for sure and maybe broke Lou Gehrig's record if he hadn't broken his stupid thumb...

  • @stevegallo8483
    @stevegallo8483 2 роки тому +22

    Dwight Evans is a definite snub. He's a three time all star, 8 time gold glover (in right field in Fenway Park, a notoriously tough right field to play), two silver sluggers and four top 10 finishes for MVP. His WAR rating of 67.1 is 14th all time for players who primarily played right field.

    • @bezllama3325
      @bezllama3325 2 роки тому +2

      So is Darrell Evans (no relation)

    • @elc1960
      @elc1960 2 роки тому +4

      Yes indeed, and Humm Baby Baseball also snubbed Dewey twice in a row - he wasn't on the first list of snubs either! Dwight Evans was hands down the best right fielder in baseball during his career, but was overshadowed by Reggie Jackson, Dave Winfield, Dave Parker and others who got more headlines.

    • @stevegallo8483
      @stevegallo8483 2 роки тому +1

      @@bezllama3325 His 414 career home runs make him an interesting case, especially since 400 home runs was the "magic number" at one time. But, he also had a career .248 batting average. That alone could be keeping him out. Dave Kingman had a similar career. 400+ homers (442), sub .250 batting average (.236).

    • @scottodonnell7121
      @scottodonnell7121 2 роки тому +3

      @@stevegallo8483 but Kingman couldn't field and struck out a lot.

    • @Iamhungey
      @Iamhungey 6 місяців тому +1

      I wonder if winning the WS in 1986 could have made a difference for his HOF case.

  • @carseye1219
    @carseye1219 2 роки тому +30

    I've been in a personal campaign to get Kenny Lofton into the HOF. He had such impact upon games with his glove, bat, and legs, much more than someone like Mazeroski or Rizzuto (who should be in for broadcasting). Not really a home run hitter but, damn, he hit them at important times. Him being on the bases made life so much easier on hitters like Belle, Thome, and Manny Ramirez. His robbing Surhoff of a home run is the greatest of the "robbery" type.

    • @magicjohnson-o4l
      @magicjohnson-o4l Рік тому +1

      Rizzuto is the most overrated player in the hall of fame it it a joke he is in the hall of fame

    • @anthonypopola5773
      @anthonypopola5773 6 місяців тому +2

      @@magicjohnson-o4l in that case neither does Reese or Stanky…..

    • @drewmccandless313
      @drewmccandless313 5 місяців тому

      Kenny’s teams got into the postseason. Definitely should be in.

    • @karlschlenzig6884
      @karlschlenzig6884 3 місяці тому

      I was so happy when the Cubs got him. One of the best leadoff men

    • @frankanuzzi9740
      @frankanuzzi9740 Місяць тому +1

      Kenny should been first ballot

  • @gravellegb
    @gravellegb 2 роки тому +39

    How about Luis Tiant? He had nearly identical stats to at least two other pitchers in the HOF: Jim "Catfish" Hunter and Jim Bunning.

    • @cornholiofromtitica
      @cornholiofromtitica 2 роки тому

      Tiant should be in for his wind up alone.

    • @CapAnson12345
      @CapAnson12345 2 роки тому +2

      The problem is that Catfish Hunter shouldn't be in the hall of fame and Jim Bunning is a rather borderline case. Tiant has the 44th best WAR of all time. Tucked in between John Smoltz and Roy Halladay. There are only five eligible pitchers with ratings higher not in the hall of fame: Roger Clemens, Curt Schilling, Jim McCormick, Kevin Brown, and Rick Reuschel. Clemens, Schilling, and Brown should be in. McCormick and Reuschel are more interesting. McCormick pitched from 1878-87.. ten years, and averaged around 500 innings/year until he blew his arm out before 30 like a lot of nineteenth century pitchers. Most of his value lies in pitching every game of the season back in the dark ages so we can eliminate him, Reuschel just.. doesn't seem like a hall of famer honestly.. He was like the Harold Baines of pitchers. So you could well say Luis Tiant is the best over looked pitcher not in the hall of fame. The next lower pitchers besides Tiant not in the hall of fame are Tommy John and Bobby Wallace, another 19th century pitcher. Since Tommy John pretty much defines the line between hall of famer and just not quite good enough.. you can safely end it there. So of pitchers not in it's..
      1. Roger Clemens
      2. Curt Schilling
      3. Kevin Brown
      4. Luis Tiant
      5. Tommy John (the cutoff)
      So maybe Tiant is good enough to be in. but he'd be towards the bottom of the pack. That's the comparison I'd make if I were making the case for him. But honestly when he was playing nobody was thinking about him as a potential hall of famer, there was no discussion at all. Much like Bert Blyleven. But then Blyleven got in based on stats so what do I know?

    • @rufust.firefly4890
      @rufust.firefly4890 2 роки тому +7

      TIANT HAS COMPARABLE STATS with Drysdale who never pitched in the 70s, out of bb by age 32-3. Tiant endured. He has said he doesn't want to go in posthumously. told his family to reject the award if he is not around. Same thing w/Rocky Colavito. Schilling has been snubbed because he spoke his mind. Wasn't PC(NOR SHOULD HE HAVE BEEN)

    • @antonioflores-vj3gb
      @antonioflores-vj3gb 2 роки тому +1

      How about Carlos Delgado&Juan Gonzalez?.

    • @mikekeeler6362
      @mikekeeler6362 10 місяців тому +2

      What about Vida Blue and Milt Pappas Vida blues record basically identical to Catfish Hunter so you would have to put all three of those pitchers jn

  • @benestrada5589
    @benestrada5589 2 роки тому +19

    Orel Hershiser is certainly a hall of famer in my opinion. Counting stats dont blow you away, but he is one of the most clutch post season pitchers of all time.

    • @intheirownwords6079
      @intheirownwords6079 Рік тому

      if you pitch 200 innings and have a 4.45 era, you're not HOF material. He had 4 years of that.

    • @Iamhungey
      @Iamhungey 6 місяців тому

      The injury he had in 1990 sapped what should have been his prime. In a way he was kind of like Mattingly, a would be HOFer whose chance got ruined by injury.

    • @erichvonmanstein6876
      @erichvonmanstein6876 4 місяці тому

      @@Iamhungey fu#k you talking about? He was drafted in 1979 and was already 31 in 1990, his better years were behind him. Yet he still played 18 seasons. He just wasnt good enough for the hall kid.

    • @Iamhungey
      @Iamhungey 4 місяці тому +1

      @@erichvonmanstein6876 He had a torn labrum on his shoulder in 1990 that ended his season after few starts and you acted as if players usually fall off as soon as they hit 30. Even players in their 20s would have a sharp decline with the same injury that the guy had in 1990, how about you actually learn something before you start flapping your gums kid.

    • @clayton7220
      @clayton7220 4 місяці тому

      Hershisdr cost indians 1997 as if he wouldn't had two of his worst post season stars indians would a won the series

  • @garbagearchive
    @garbagearchive 2 роки тому +43

    Thanks for adding our Dale Murphy. People don’t get how important he was for Atlanta. He was everything for over a decade, like, he was the Braves! Being in the stadium during a Murphy at bat was deafening. Plus, he was so clean on and off the field, the guy is saint-like. COME ON HOF, let Murph in during his lifetime, and during mine too!

    • @STONESGAM
      @STONESGAM 2 роки тому

      Agree about Dale Murphy. He was the guy in Atlanta for a whole era in the 80s...it wasn't his fault they were crummy during that era before they had their run with all of those great pitchers.
      He fizzled out a bit later on his career but he had a long enough run as an all star slugger to be HOF worthy. Same with Don Mattingly.
      I disagree about Maris though. His lifetime stats and longevity just aren't there. Yes, he hit 61 HR in one year but he only had a couple more seasons that were all star caliber.
      He had a good career with one amazing season. If you take that one year away his HOF chances would be zero.

    • @benjaminpfiester5933
      @benjaminpfiester5933 2 роки тому +1

      I think the Veteran's Committee will continue to reward borderline candidates as long as they have no association with PEDs. Heck, I don't even expect Bonds and Clemens to appear on the ballot in December!

    • @WALTERBROADDUS
      @WALTERBROADDUS 2 роки тому

      I think the worst thing that ever happened to him was getting sent here to Philadelphia.

    • @ricogomez4020
      @ricogomez4020 2 роки тому

      So to you guys if you just have 8 good years out of 20 you belong in HoF. These guys on this list are bums when you compare their stats to Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, DiMaggio.

    • @WALTERBROADDUS
      @WALTERBROADDUS 2 роки тому +1

      @@ricogomez4020 So.... we skip 50 years of the game?⚾️

  • @murray1978
    @murray1978 2 роки тому +15

    Dave Stieb. Check out Dork Town's four videos on him.

    • @tenfourproductionsllc
      @tenfourproductionsllc 4 місяці тому

      Stieb > Jack Morris...... I hate the veterans committee, it's so political and easy to get 12 out of 16 as we found out when Baines got elected with a rigged vet committee full of people who managed him.

  • @GaryAa56
    @GaryAa56 2 роки тому +9

    I can't voice an opinion on the early player you mentioned but, you are spot on once again. I'm a Met fan but, Mattingly is one of my all time favorites along with Kenny Loften.

  • @jcbsportscards6841
    @jcbsportscards6841 2 роки тому +55

    Appreciate your inclusion of Dale Murphy in your HOF snubs.

    • @Flashlight_Frankie
      @Flashlight_Frankie 2 роки тому

      As a Mets fan, I completely agree. He had so much talent in the field and at the plate.
      He hit a homerun off Dwight Gooden in the mid 80's at Fulton County Stadium I watched in awe as I was in attendance. It was just as high as it was far.

    • @timothy4664
      @timothy4664 2 роки тому

      I would like Dale Murphy to enter the hall of fame so my dozen or so rookie cards increase in value lol

    • @bitemenow609
      @bitemenow609 2 роки тому

      Dale Murphy should have been arrested for all the money he stole at the end of his career.

    • @jcbsportscards6841
      @jcbsportscards6841 2 роки тому

      I bet Joe is a blast to be friends with.

  • @rudistorm3348
    @rudistorm3348 2 роки тому +33

    Lou Whitaker has better stats than a lot of 2B already in the HOF.

    • @VicRattleHead28
      @VicRattleHead28 Рік тому +1

      He should be in over Alomar

    • @sir.muffiniii7011
      @sir.muffiniii7011 9 місяців тому +1

      @@VicRattleHead28they both should be in

    • @Iamhungey
      @Iamhungey 6 місяців тому

      @@VicRattleHead28 Alomar is deserving as well bud.

    • @bauerj3398
      @bauerj3398 6 місяців тому

      A good case could be made for Whitaker. His WAR is a bit above the average 2nd in the Hall, and his JAWS is just a bit under.

    • @VicRattleHead28
      @VicRattleHead28 6 місяців тому +2

      @@Iamhungey i know. Sweet Lou should be in though.

  • @larrysexton2955
    @larrysexton2955 2 роки тому +50

    I love the Kenny Lofton nod. Spot on, Kenny should be in the Hall! 👍🏼

    • @SirFigsAlot
      @SirFigsAlot 2 роки тому +1

      Kenny was my favorite player, he got screwed over big time by the writers

    • @tapeit8135
      @tapeit8135 2 роки тому +2

      Kenny and Vizquel should be in.

    • @stevenjohnson6699
      @stevenjohnson6699 2 роки тому

      Growing up playing those old school PC and PlayStation baseball games everyone tried to get Kenny lofton as their lead off hitter. If we go back the last 30 years who are the best leadoff hitters? It’s ichiro, lofton, then who? I think guys with that kind of skill set are much harder to find then your average power hitter.

    • @tapeit8135
      @tapeit8135 2 роки тому +1

      @@stevenjohnson6699 Ricky Henderson is the greatest leadoff hitter of all time

    • @magicjohnson-o4l
      @magicjohnson-o4l Рік тому

      Duh

  • @raymondsmith8207
    @raymondsmith8207 2 роки тому +9

    Ray Smith, I not sure why Vada Pinson doesn’t get more respect. He ended his career with over 2,700 hits,besides Willy Mays and Micky Mantle Vada was the top center fielder in Baseball, from 1959 - 1966 led the league several times in stolen bases and chances in the outfield, unfortunately he played in Willy Mays shadow but so did everyone else. His lifetime stats are better than alot of hall of famers,just don’t know why he doesn’t get more attention

    • @anonymike8280
      @anonymike8280 4 місяці тому

      Good case also as veteran or historic player.

  • @EmperorPigeon
    @EmperorPigeon 2 роки тому +37

    Great list, I think Dwight Evans, Todd Helton, Paul Konerko, Albert Belle, Carlos Delgado, and Juan Gonzalez should have gotten more hall of fame votes.

    • @gregoryskoutas8005
      @gregoryskoutas8005 2 роки тому +4

      Todd Helton most definately: OPS .953 OPS > 1.000 5X, outstanding.

    • @franklinchristopher4010
      @franklinchristopher4010 2 роки тому +3

      I would say Todd Helton belongs in the Hall, the others not so much.

    • @gadbammit4736
      @gadbammit4736 2 роки тому

      Todd Helton belongs in the hall of fame. Albert Belle was to much of a asshole for the writers to ever vote for. Extremely talented, but also a very cocky arrogant son of a bitch

    • @gadbammit4736
      @gadbammit4736 2 роки тому +1

      Juan Gonzalez, if you believe Jose Canseco? In his book juiced Canseco talks about introducing Juan Gonzalez to steriods? Juan Gonzalez also didn't have the career numbers.

    • @timothy4664
      @timothy4664 2 роки тому +1

      Evans was robbed of the MVP in 81. He was was a better defensive player than Rice.

  • @williamseric740
    @williamseric740 2 роки тому +4

    Even you snubbed Dave Concepcion. He was the dominant SS in the seventies; the defensive glue of the Big Red Machine in the 70's. He should make your next list.

    • @4ak458
      @4ak458 2 роки тому

      Streaky fielder. Someone from the Reds nicknamed him Elmer because the box scores often had E. Concepcion in it.

    • @JeffreyTaylor-pk5jc
      @JeffreyTaylor-pk5jc 9 місяців тому

      Davey also could come through with some clutch hits when it counted the most

  • @markmccreary9605
    @markmccreary9605 2 роки тому +6

    How about Gator Guidry. At age 27 he had a 25-3 season with a 1.74 ERA and 16 complete games, 9 shutouts with 248 strike outs. At 32 he was 21-9 with 21complete games and at 34 he put up a 22-6 with a 3.27 ERA.
    Ron Guidry certainly was a dominant lefty for a decade with an unreal slider and a fast ball with as much ride as any you have seen, just insane movement. Despite only having 170 wins he had 95 complete games. He certainly deserves the hall and this is from a die hard Sox fan

    • @deneenjeffries2768
      @deneenjeffries2768 2 роки тому +1

      Agree one of the best pictures of the late seventies and early eighties. Slim build but could fire 🔥 that ball

    • @JohnnyBravo-zu9oe
      @JohnnyBravo-zu9oe 9 місяців тому +1

      Louisiana Lightning was great! He was also the Ace on W.S. Champions

  • @drakulie
    @drakulie 2 роки тому +13

    Steve Garvey was the first baseman when Aaron broke the home run record, and Pete Rose broke the hits record.

  • @cesarthegreeneyedbandit7162
    @cesarthegreeneyedbandit7162 Рік тому +5

    As a Dodger fan I want to thank you for mentioning Steve Garvey. Another amazing first baseman I feel that has been snubbed is #22 Will Clark. If he didn't have a Hall Of Fame career he sure as heck had a first ballot HOF swing. Much respect to you and your channel.

    • @evilmonkeyspeaks7801
      @evilmonkeyspeaks7801 Рік тому

      Things would've been so different if he had stayed in San Francisco. He'd have gotten loads more pitches to hit and put up big time numbers because pitchers would be so terrified of Barry Bonds on deck.
      If he stays in SF and gets along with Bonds, my money says Will Clark has 3000 hits and 500 home runs.

  • @MT-cm5ne
    @MT-cm5ne 2 роки тому +38

    Both lists are fantastic but Albert Belle should also be on your list. 9 consecutive seasons over 100 RBI, 8 consecutive seasons over 30 HR, and everyone knows he should have won MVP in 1995 but was snubbed because he hated the media. His career was short due to injury like Mattingly and he was hated by the media like Allen, but he was one of the best hitters of the 90's.

    • @Amick44
      @Amick44 2 роки тому

      Corked bat didn't help.

    • @cranmeister2365
      @cranmeister2365 2 роки тому +1

      Yes, should be a haller, if it was just about character it would be a much smaller building, the guy could rake,

    • @darrellhall6622
      @darrellhall6622 2 роки тому +3

      The only (Or first) player to hit 50/50 club. 50 Home run and 52 double.

    • @GeeEm1313
      @GeeEm1313 2 роки тому +1

      The media issue wasn't Joey's only problem. Chasing down trick or treaters in his car after they egged his house, pegging a ball into the stands at a fan, charging the mound, punching people out, etc.

    • @merccadoosis8847
      @merccadoosis8847 2 роки тому +3

      @@GeeEm1313
      If behavioral standards are to be used in HOF qualification than players like Babe Ruth and Ty Cobb would be disqualified from membership.
      Albert Belle's numbers far surpass those of Kirby Puckett who was known for his sweet smile and politeness. He defo belongs in the Hall.

  • @jennyvega8
    @jennyvega8 2 роки тому +27

    I just became a fan of Steve Garvey! 10 gold gloves! he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame!

    • @rlsfrny
      @rlsfrny 2 роки тому +1

      Garvey has improved in my opinion - very possibly yes on Garvey.

    • @garyfaught3769
      @garyfaught3769 2 роки тому +10

      1974 MVP. 2 TIMEAll-Star MVP. OVER 1300 CONSECUTIVE games played. 6 Time 200 Hits, 5 Times World Series winning in 1981. .357 Avg . in post season. Steve should be in.

    • @rufust.firefly4890
      @rufust.firefly4890 2 роки тому

      GOODY TWO SHOES BASTARD.

    • @rlsfrny
      @rlsfrny 2 роки тому

      @@rufust.firefly4890 You think you're funny but you're not, you Groucho Marx wannabee.

    • @MrBluefreako
      @MrBluefreako 2 роки тому +6

      Garvey is my favorite player of all-time but he didn't win 10 gold gloves. Only four. He probably could of if Keith Hernandez wasn't playing in the middle to late 70s and early 80s. What hurts Garvey and a few others mentioned in this video is that BS stat called WAR.

  • @watchdawg1103
    @watchdawg1103 2 роки тому +23

    I'm all in with you on Parker, Lofton and especially Edmonds. Growing up playing centerfield and having speed, Lofton and Edmonds were two people I wanted to be like. If the ball was in the air, you could almost count on them to get to it no matter where it was hit. They deserve their spot in the Hall.

    • @jimmyplenderleith9471
      @jimmyplenderleith9471 2 роки тому +1

      Its a joke Dave Parker is not in the HOF

    • @4ak458
      @4ak458 2 роки тому

      Dave Parker had it all. Maybe comming to the Pirates after Roberto created to many comparisins. But there wasnt a baseball skill he lacked.

    • @ricogomez4020
      @ricogomez4020 2 роки тому

      Just put great players who played 15 years or more and ended up with solid numbers. Enough of these players like Parker , Murphy, Dick Allen, Edmonds who put up 5 great years and then went so-so for 10.

    • @danechatman6086
      @danechatman6086 Рік тому +1

      Edmonds combo of incredible defense with power hitting and on base skills warranted at the least more consideration. Thanks for including him on this list.

  • @greghoadley1815
    @greghoadley1815 2 роки тому +18

    Agree on Lofton; one of the best CF's and leadoff hitters of his era. I hope he gets in one day.

    • @ricogomez4020
      @ricogomez4020 2 роки тому

      Is Lofton on the same level of Rickey Henderson, Lou Brock or Ty Cobb?

    • @greghoadley1815
      @greghoadley1815 2 роки тому +1

      @@ricogomez4020 I'd put them in this order: Cobb, Rickey, Lofton, then Brock. Between Lofton and Brock, Lofton is a far better fielder, and his caught stealing % is better than Brock.

  • @michaelh3470
    @michaelh3470 2 роки тому +7

    Great list. I am still not sure about Jim Edmonds, but you included Dave Parker and Dale Murphy so you are excellent on your analysis.

    • @gadbammit4736
      @gadbammit4736 2 роки тому +3

      Jim Edmonds was the Best CF of his time era. A late start and injuries at the beginning of his career and end kept him from getting milestone numbers. I'll never forget some of the catches he made

    • @capt251978
      @capt251978 2 роки тому

      Bite your tongue.

  • @Brett-gg8cs
    @Brett-gg8cs 2 роки тому +6

    Nice video. For me the biggest snubs are men from the 1800s who played decades before the HOF was realized. Players like Ross Barnes, Harry Stovey, Jim McCormick, Paul Hines, Bill Dahlen, Tommy Bond, Hardy Richardson, George Van Haltren would get my vote as well as pioneers like Nick Young, Dickey Pearce and Joe Start.

    • @RealBlueony
      @RealBlueony 2 роки тому

      Dahlen, Bond, and Stovey are especially of note in that group

  • @earlshannon1048
    @earlshannon1048 Рік тому +3

    Roger Maris was a terrific ballplayer with a Canon for an arm!!!

  • @jamespinette9403
    @jamespinette9403 2 роки тому +29

    How about Al Oliver , lifetime BA of around.300 with close to 3000 hits, sounds like a HOF to me…..

    • @4ak458
      @4ak458 2 роки тому +4

      He was always underated. Great player every play.

    • @commonsense7787
      @commonsense7787 Рік тому +2

      Mark Grace

    • @mysticakhenaton1701
      @mysticakhenaton1701 10 місяців тому +2

      @@commonsense7787 Grace had a GREAT career too. MORE hits and doubles than any other player in the decade of the 90's. back in 1989, a Sun times/sportswriter called Grace, the next Bill Buckner. he came very, very close.

    • @flame-sky7148
      @flame-sky7148 10 місяців тому +3

      Great point, Al Oliver was great, as he hit over .300 for twelve seasons. Both Al Oliver and Mark Grace ended up with a .303 BA. You guys are all on the same page.

    • @billybandyk0720
      @billybandyk0720 10 місяців тому +3

      Al Oliver had such a fluid swing that was a beauty 2 watch. He was also an above-average fielder.

  • @davidbroughall3782
    @davidbroughall3782 2 роки тому +9

    OK, you just shocked me that Dale Murphy isn't in the Hall.

    • @jmad627
      @jmad627 2 роки тому

      Yeah he just sort of disappeared, and then the Braves became the dominant team of the National League throughout the 90's after his career is over.

  • @marybethdoell6811
    @marybethdoell6811 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you for including Omar and Kenny on your list. They were amazing at their positions and a whole lotta fun to watch.

  • @rsuriyop
    @rsuriyop 2 роки тому +7

    Since you've mentioned George Van Haltren, I'd like to also mention a slew of other very fine 19th C. ball players that might also just as well deserve Hall inclusion: Harry Stovey, Paul Hines, George Gore, Jack Glasscock, Tony Mullane, Hardy Richardson, Charlie Bennett, and Pete Browning. Clearly this is a very underrepresented era in the Baseball Hall of Fame.

    • @HummBabyBaseball
      @HummBabyBaseball  Рік тому

      I put Jack Glasscock on my next video and your comment is shown; it will be live this week!

    • @tenfourproductionsllc
      @tenfourproductionsllc 4 місяці тому

      @@HummBabyBaseball 19th players got overlooked because when the Hall first started, they had a huge backlog of past players to go through. By the time they caught up, those players were often forgotten and people who seen them play were dead.

  • @merccadoosis8847
    @merccadoosis8847 2 роки тому +2

    Roger Maris definitely belongs in the Hall of Fame. He played with a broken hand/injured wrist in 1965 with team management refusing to tell him they had proof of his injury. The hand/wrist never mended properly and he played four years with this problem. If the hand had been surgically corrected he could have played up to about 1970 and hit at least another 100 career HRs. As for why he did not win more golden gloves, that's because Al Kaline played in those years and he was the league's best in the modern era.

  • @vspenceful
    @vspenceful 2 роки тому +4

    Roger Maris. 2 time MVP led the team in RBI in 1960,51,and 62. Injured in 63 and early 1964. It wasn't the harmonica that got the yankees to world series in 64. It was Maris coming off the DL and replacing Mantle in centerfield. Was the best player in the AL from mid-June to end of season. Along with Mel Stottlemyre coming from minors. Had a career changing injury in 65 in a home plate collision. Also, fans were not booing Maris in 61. The reporters were. Watch the video of him hitting 61st homer. Who is booing?

  • @williamwhalen29
    @williamwhalen29 2 роки тому +2

    2 great videos! Love that you show light on George Van Haltren and Jimmy Ryan. Joe Carter should get some consideration. 10 seasons of 100+ rbis, including 1994 season (115 games). Shame that Jason Varitek and Jorge Posada lasted only one year on HOF ballot.

  • @johnmills2134
    @johnmills2134 2 роки тому +4

    Dave Stieb, please, best WAR of any AL pitcher during the eighties. And, let alone the lost back to back no nos with two out, I'd forgotten about the 3 consecutive shutouts. There is an exceedingly good four part production on UA-cam by Dorktown called " meet Dave - Captain Ahab: The Story of Dave Stieb. " He pitched in the early eighties before the closer support of Tom Henke and at times in a four man rotation with Jim Clancy, Luis Leal and Jim Gott. He put the Jays on the map. Enjoy the baseball everybody!

  • @ianyoung8147
    @ianyoung8147 2 роки тому +2

    Yes, Dave Parker should get in the Hall. But if Parker gets in, Vada Pinson should as well. Over 2700 hits, .286 BA, over 1100 RBI's, the only thing against him is he never won an MVP, never got to 300 HR's, and somehow only made 2 All-Star selections, that baffles me more than the Hall snub.

  • @johndeangelis8424
    @johndeangelis8424 2 роки тому +7

    Al Oliver needs some love. One of the great underrated players in history. Over 2700 hits and a batting Title

    • @winstonjames2583
      @winstonjames2583 2 роки тому

      Him...Cecil cooper, Tommy John , vada Pinson? Verne stephens? Mattingly?? Guidry??

    • @robertpaciullo1540
      @robertpaciullo1540 2 роки тому

      MATTINGLY and Garvey belong in the HOF MATTINGLY ALSO WON 9 GOLD GLOVES AND HIT 6 GRAND SLAMS IN ONE SEASON MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD

    • @bubhub64
      @bubhub64 2 роки тому

      @@winstonjames2583 Wow, Vada Pinson, haven't heard that name in decades. Pinson played for the Angels when I attended my very first game ever as an eight year old at Anaheim Stadium in 1972.

    • @tenfourproductionsllc
      @tenfourproductionsllc 4 місяці тому

      Played before ESPN started showing games so not much video of him exist..... Yes, I forgot about him, he should be in if they are allowing all this so-so players from 80s and 90s in now.

    • @tenfourproductionsllc
      @tenfourproductionsllc 4 місяці тому

      @@robertpaciullo1540 And Mattingly never hit a grand slam in any other season....... His career total is 6... One of the most odd stats in baseball history

  • @RichardCorno
    @RichardCorno 2 роки тому +2

    Ken Boyer should be in the Hall of Fame. His career started two years late because of military service. Once he joined the Cardinals in 1955 he was one of the premier players in the game for 11 years. Five Gold Gloves against stiff competition from Eddie Mathews. Boyer's offensive numbers, averaged annually, exceeded those of Brooks Robinson, a Hall of Famer himself. He also was MVP in 1964, led the majors in RBI that year and led the Cardinals to the World Series championship. He was a true five-tool player, who also played center field in 1957.

  • @boblester8641
    @boblester8641 2 роки тому +7

    You could use the Sandy Koufax Argument. He dominated for a six year stretch. With Maris and Murphy

    • @robertcooney1938
      @robertcooney1938 2 роки тому

      Wait....how is Sandy Koufax not in there?

    • @sak7785
      @sak7785 2 роки тому +1

      @@robertcooney1938 Koufax is in. He’s saying that like how Koufax’s peak was so good, despite a short career, to get him enshrinement the peaks of Maris & Murphy should do the same.
      I would also add Mattingly who is more like Koufax in that injuries forced his early retirement.

    • @nicholasschroeder3678
      @nicholasschroeder3678 Рік тому

      Maris had two great years, but other than those two he was just very good, and sometimes average. For 5 years, Koufax was the best pitcher on the planet, maybe even the best ever. Even in Maris' best year, his teammate Mantle was his equal. No one was Sandy's equal in the first half of the 60s.

    • @TheBatugan77
      @TheBatugan77 6 місяців тому +1

      ​@@nicholasschroeder3678
      Maris had FIVE good years and two great ones. If the Yankees hadn't lied to him about his broken hand (which he tried to play through), he'd be an all-time great.

    • @Iamhungey
      @Iamhungey 6 місяців тому

      @@TheBatugan77 Or at least gotten 2,000 hits which could have given him enough benefit of doubt from the voters. Plus people forgotten that he was a great defender as well.

  • @Jonathan-ih7qp
    @Jonathan-ih7qp 2 роки тому +2

    Mark Grace: .303 career average, .383 OBP, 4x Gold Gloves, multiple All-Star selections, WS winner, over 1100 RBIs, over 2400 hits and *THE MOST hits and doubles by any player during the 1990's*. That the most hits and doubles by any player over an entire decade. That's a 10-year stretch that he outhit Tony Gwynn and Wade Boggs-two of the widely-regarded best contact hitters of that era and first-ballot hall of famers, yet Grace is a first-ballot drop-off.
    Maybe it was because he was a 1B and it's expected for you to hit with power from that position. Or maybe it was because he never had that flashy league-leading season to make people take notice. But he was the epitome of consistency in a contact hitter putting up really good numbers year after year to make a league-leading decade all while being outstanding on the defensive side of the game as well.

    • @andymullarx6365
      @andymullarx6365 2 роки тому

      He also had a big playoff series in 1989 when he and Will Clark put on a show for their respective teams. I hadn't really thought about it but after seeing your list I think he could be a consideration. Very good on defense. He was also a smart player and he was an excellent base runner for a somewhat slow guy. He was just very heads up when he got on base and didn't get himself doubled off or picked off and made a line drive go through before breaking for the next base. I'm glad he went to Arizona and got a ring.

    • @karlschlenzig6884
      @karlschlenzig6884 3 місяці тому

      He should have been first ballot. Period

  • @Caaasillas
    @Caaasillas 2 роки тому +9

    Great vid but if maris hit 59 home runs in 1961, you wouldn’t even know his name. He isn’t a HOFer

    • @snerdterguson
      @snerdterguson 2 роки тому

      There are tons of guys in the hall that are basically unknowns today.

    • @TheBatugan77
      @TheBatugan77 6 місяців тому +1

      Except he won the MVP the year before on a team with Berra, Ford & Mantle. Not too many two-time MVPs have been left out.

    • @8House
      @8House 5 місяців тому

      Maris was a fine ballplayer but not even close to HOF caliber.

    • @johnlamberti4424
      @johnlamberti4424 5 місяців тому

      If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle

  • @commanderjoj6426
    @commanderjoj6426 2 роки тому +24

    My take on Roger Maris is that he’s MLB’s Joe Namath. I say that for the fact both are pretty much best known for one huge accomplishment, but said accomplishment is gigantic in their game. And if Namath is enshrined in Canton, then surely Maris deserves a plaque in Cooperstown.

    • @dazed1nyc
      @dazed1nyc 2 роки тому

      I see what you're saying and to an extent you're right but even though looking back at his numbers today they don't seem special, Namath was one of the best QBs in the league when he played and it was also more of a running league back then as well. Although was never the best in the game, to me he compares more with Mantle because his knees were ruined by the time he got to the NFL so who knows what he could have been. He also played on a lot of mediocre to bad Jet teams in the 70s.

    • @jameshunsley4118
      @jameshunsley4118 2 роки тому +3

      Maris was also a two-time MVP.

    • @rufust.firefly4890
      @rufust.firefly4890 2 роки тому

      Namath and KenStabler overrated. check their stats.

    • @toddapplegate3988
      @toddapplegate3988 2 роки тому

      Perhaps a career, over-shadowed, by that epic season. Maris just remembered for greatest but forgotten for his great career.

    • @erickennedy8534
      @erickennedy8534 2 роки тому +1

      @@rufust.firefly4890 Well Rufus they played a different game , with different rules.

  • @wizard1687
    @wizard1687 2 роки тому +3

    Older Cards fans i know swear by Roger Maris as a great, winning, all-around player. And that was at the end of his career. Just the cherry on top, when you consider his domination with the Yanks in the early 60s

    • @daviddavis2648
      @daviddavis2648 3 місяці тому

      Mickey Mantle said Maris was the best player he ever played with.

  • @d-blockceltics3696
    @d-blockceltics3696 2 роки тому +2

    Mattingly swing was dope! bent his knees, nice swing and lefty!!!

  • @BlackJaxxx
    @BlackJaxxx 2 роки тому +35

    Would love to see Thurman Munson get in the hall someday.

    • @billybereu2010
      @billybereu2010 2 роки тому +1

      My favorite player growing up

    • @davemal15
      @davemal15 2 роки тому

      No question how do list 20 guys without Thurman

    • @erickennedy8534
      @erickennedy8534 2 роки тому +1

      Na not H.O.F. , Hall of very good.

    • @imandan1966
      @imandan1966 2 роки тому +3

      career too short, sadly

    • @davidaltman8831
      @davidaltman8831 2 роки тому

      @@erickennedy8534 definitely hall of fame,

  • @richardpeetrinpeetrin9817
    @richardpeetrinpeetrin9817 Рік тому +1

    Steve Garvey, Brett Butler, Jeff Kent, Dale Murphy, Dave Concepcion, Fernando Valenzuela, Denny Martinez, Jim Edmonds, Bobby Murcer, and Andruw Jones, Jamie Moyer, "Bad-Jose" Canceco, "Will The Thrill" Clark, Bill Russell, and Dave "The Cobra" Parker....

  • @sandrobruni7575
    @sandrobruni7575 2 роки тому +7

    Do you think Dwight Evans could be on one of these lists? I believe he led MLB in XBH in the 80s, was an elite defensive RF with a gun for an arm, 67.2 career baseball reference WAR with a 127 OPS+.

    • @timothy4664
      @timothy4664 2 роки тому

      His numbers are very similar to Jim Rice and was better on the field.

    • @anthonypopola5773
      @anthonypopola5773 2 роки тому

      @@timothy4664 Jim Rice wasn’t Irish, that’s why he doesn’t get a statue in Boston

    • @timothy4664
      @timothy4664 2 роки тому +1

      @@anthonypopola5773 Are you drunk? Who is talking about statues and race? Jim Rice is in the hall of fame and Dewey isn't. I was arguing that they are similar but Dwight has better defensive stats. Take that race baiting nonsense elsewhere. I am not interested.

  • @kenruppert8825
    @kenruppert8825 2 роки тому +11

    Bill Freehan snubbed!

    • @tenfourproductionsllc
      @tenfourproductionsllc 4 місяці тому +1

      Good pick. People living today forget about him. Easy to put in people with the 80s inflated stat totals... But was a great catcher, not a Johnny Bench but very solid.

    • @patrickmorrell7811
      @patrickmorrell7811 10 днів тому

      How many gold gloves, how many all star picks, 200 home runs for a catcher. Yes should be in the HOF!

  • @mistapotta
    @mistapotta 2 роки тому +1

    You put Mattingly but not Thurman Munson? Very similar stats and career lengths.
    Also, Frank Howard deserves a look. Hit 40+ HR in 68-69-70 when pitchers rules. So much lost time being the fourth outfielder on the Dodgers before being traded to the Senators.
    Also as a Giants fan I'd expect more love for Billy Pierce. His record against the Yankees (team he faced the most) is better than NL teams against the Yankees in the WS over the same period.

    • @davemal15
      @davemal15 2 роки тому +1

      Without Munson the entire list is fraudulent

  • @jimallen8
    @jimallen8 2 роки тому +3

    Luis Tiant! Over a five year period with the Red Sox, '72 - '76, he won 96 games! Three out of those five years he won 20 + games. Over his career he was 229-172, a .571 won-lost percentage, with 2,416 Ks. His stats parallel or exceed Catfish Hunter who is in the HoF. .

    • @ronepting5030
      @ronepting5030 Рік тому +1

      Pump ur brakes, Catfish was a Cy Young Winner, 5x World Series Champion, ERA Champion and pitched a Perfect game

  • @jimlon1955
    @jimlon1955 2 роки тому +2

    Based strictly on overall numbers, I never considered Roger Maris a all of famer. However after your presentation I am taking a deeper look at his career stats.
    My short list of snubs:
    1. Curt Schilling
    2. Bobby Grich
    3. Fred McGriff
    ****************

  • @beezer5623
    @beezer5623 2 роки тому +5

    On Mattingly, 100% should be in. He was a absolutely one of the most feared hitters in his time. I felt so bad he retired right before the Yanks started winning championships. His 1 playoff appearance rejuvenated his spirit and physical abilities because he was so excited to be in the post season., he hit over .400.

    • @davemal15
      @davemal15 2 роки тому +2

      The best argument for Mattingly is Kirby Puckett..go look at the numbers…they are identical in the same era over the same number of years. Putting on one and not the other is criminal.

    • @crazyantny9161
      @crazyantny9161 Рік тому

      @@davemal15 the we ring too

    • @terrenceliburd8655
      @terrenceliburd8655 Рік тому +1

      Mattingly was never the same after his back surgery.

    • @crazyantny9161
      @crazyantny9161 Рік тому +1

      @@terrenceliburd8655 as someone whose had back surgery, you are never the same. There's no arguments, he should be in. His dominance lasted long enough. I think just about anyone would take Mattingly over Pucket during his reign of terror on the AL! It's like defense isn't even part of the game knowing how good he made fielders look. It's just my opinion, but if he hung around for a few seasons as the batboy and won a few rings, this would be a moot point..... 2 playoff appearance is what is keeping him out

    • @Iamhungey
      @Iamhungey 6 місяців тому

      @@davemal15 Puckett was an outfielder.

  • @VincentManiscalco
    @VincentManiscalco 3 місяці тому +1

    Mattingly is baseballs version of sterling Sharpe in football !! I don’t know how these guys are not in the Hall of Fame !! can’t let injuries decide how great someone was and both of them did enough to be in the Hall of Fame

  • @AdeebShabazz
    @AdeebShabazz 2 роки тому +3

    Love your content. For your 30-21 list consider Bernie Williams. While his .297 career BA may miss .300 by .003, his 5 All star appearances, 4 gold glove awards, 1 silver slugger,, 1 league championship MVP, and being the absolute leader in postseason RBI and 3rd all time in postseason HRs to help the NYY win 4 World Series should push him over the edge, all while remaining clean in the steroid era.

    • @higgy04
      @higgy04 11 місяців тому +1

      And a great jazz guitar player too. Also remembered for accusing George Costanza for booking the Yankees at a Ramada in Milwaukee too.

  • @JohnSmith-zw8vp
    @JohnSmith-zw8vp Рік тому +1

    That is shocking Kenny Lofton was a "one and done" guy. If you haven't done so already, do a video on the best players who were "one and done" (first year on ballot got

  • @Slimc74
    @Slimc74 2 роки тому +3

    I thought Garvey was already in. That is surprising. The massive Garvey forearms are hof worthy

    • @4ak458
      @4ak458 2 роки тому

      I thought he was in also. Shocking.

  • @merccadoosis8847
    @merccadoosis8847 2 роки тому +1

    John Schuerholz spent 50 in MLB, won two World Series as an executive, and is in the HOF where he rightfully belongs.
    NY Yankees Gene Michael spent 50 years in MLB, won at least 5 World Series as executive but is not in the HOF. His work as advanced scout is what enabled Reggie Jackson to win the MVP in the 1977 WS. He assembled teams that won the WS in the Joe Torre era. The nucleus of players he signed won the Series in 2009. Nobody ever contributed more to the game in the modern era than did Michael. Except for a few people in the NY area, no one ever says he belongs in the HOF.
    *GENE MICHAEL FOR THE HALL OF FAME!!!*

  • @GodDogofVice
    @GodDogofVice 2 роки тому +8

    Great video. Seeing your opinion on Roger Maris, I think you'd consider Lefty O'Doul. He is another player who doesn't really have the counting stats due to limited playing time, but in his prime he was one of the biggest stars in baseball and he retired with a gaudy batting average. His impact off the field was even greater though, as he was an influential figure in bringing baseball to the Japan.

    • @ldo1308
      @ldo1308 2 роки тому +2

      I like walking across the Lefty O'Doul bridge going to Giants games

  • @toddapplegate3988
    @toddapplegate3988 2 роки тому +2

    These lists are great. Many of these players had points in their careers it was assumed hall of Fame. At Least dominance. Dale Murphy is a great example feared by pitchers, consistent.

  • @robertnoeske6393
    @robertnoeske6393 2 роки тому +20

    4.25 career ERA isn't exactly HOF worthy but Jaime Moyer racked up 269 wins and was an effective MLB pitcher until he was nearly 50 years old and had an amazing season at age 45 (16-7, 3.71 ERA, 199 IP).

    • @yourboyrelapse2839
      @yourboyrelapse2839 2 роки тому

      I would agree watch this guy for years with Seattle.

    • @timfool
      @timfool 2 роки тому

      Hell no!

    • @fuzzywarble
      @fuzzywarble 2 роки тому +1

      Win total is one of the worst criteria to judge HOF worthiness on.

    • @robertnoeske6393
      @robertnoeske6393 2 роки тому

      @@fuzzywarble I agree to certain extent however at certain point it does indicate success on long term scale... most of today's best active pitchers with far better advanced stats are unlikely to reach 250 wins.

    • @robertcooney1938
      @robertcooney1938 2 роки тому

      Moyer is an excellent choice. I don't know much about his career, but as a Phillies player, he got a ring and a penet. He grew up near Philadelphia, so he loved it here. He had such command of the ball, all the Aces were always learning from him.

  • @johntexiere843
    @johntexiere843 2 роки тому +1

    Great video and great list, I agree with you 💯 on your list. I grew up watching Donnie Baseball ⚾️ and he definitely belongs in HOF he always gets over looked. If it wasn’t for him there definitely would have been no crowds in the Bronx in the 80’s- 90’s before 95. I don’t know what do you think should Lance Berkman be in the HOF? I do I think he gets over looked as well. 6x Allstar 366 HR 1,234 RBI, 293 BA and 1x World Series Champion. I know his numbers don’t jump out at you but what he did for the teams he played with. Please let me know what you think thanks.

  • @gadbammit4736
    @gadbammit4736 2 роки тому +3

    Never understood Jeff Kent not making it either... sometimes I think the writers make it personal rather than making it about the numbers, which is very unfortunate

    • @erichvonmanstein6876
      @erichvonmanstein6876 2 роки тому

      Ofcourse they do, come on man.

    • @gadbammit4736
      @gadbammit4736 2 роки тому

      @@erichvonmanstein6876 well I guess I'm stating the obvious here? Some people don't know why Curt Schilling was kept out... I've been asked? Dude was apart of a Dynasty a curse breaking Dynasty has a 11-2 record in the post season and struck out 3,000 batters, and the writers were like but excuse me he likes Donald Trump and asked to not get into the hall and it's like fuck you guys... tell the story

    • @erichvonmanstein6876
      @erichvonmanstein6876 2 роки тому

      @@gadbammit4736 they all know about how Bonds is done dirty. The same writers/voters that voted him MVP 7 Times are the same ones who not voting him into the hall. So even though (they think,) but even though they "knew" then about him and PEDs his numbers were still good enough for them to vote him the best player in the league an unprecedented 7 times but those same numbers arent worthy of the hall because now "hes cheating"🤨

    • @erichvonmanstein6876
      @erichvonmanstein6876 2 роки тому

      @@gadbammit4736 thats what happens when you let desk jockeys and camera monkeys vote on a game that NONE of them have played. The Hall of Fame has nothing to do with MLB anyway. Meaning it has no affiliation with the league it is an entirely separate entity. So in my mind i dont give a sh#t about the hall of fame it means nothing. Like " oh no! These fat, stupid people who NEVER PLAYED PRO BALL wont let Worthy ballplayers in their building because of whatever dumba$$ reason that suits them at the time." .........who gives a sh#t. A REAL fan knows who is "hall worthy" or not. We dont need anyones vote to tell us.

    • @erichvonmanstein6876
      @erichvonmanstein6876 2 роки тому +1

      @@gadbammit4736 i mean think about it.....how did somebody NOT vote for ken griffey jr? How did he not get 100%? Like what asinine reason could anyone have to not vote junior in? Or cal ripken jr or rickey Henderson, or Babe Ruth? You phuking kidding me? How did Babe Ruth not get 100%? S#it is rediculous

  • @VincentManiscalco
    @VincentManiscalco 3 місяці тому +1

    How Jeff Kent is not in the hof is mind boggling !!

  • @SP-ve1im
    @SP-ve1im 2 роки тому +3

    Edmonds and Lofton getting no love for HOF votes was shocker... they were the best CF in their time and should be in the hall.

  • @SwordHMX
    @SwordHMX Рік тому

    I am glad you showed Lou Piniella in the Lofton segment. I remember the 95 ALCS, and it seemed like my Mariners started every game a run behind just because of him.

  • @mariocisneros911
    @mariocisneros911 2 роки тому +4

    Don Mattingly, Jeff Kent yes . RON GUIDRY TOO

  • @adamexenvironmental4468
    @adamexenvironmental4468 2 роки тому +2

    Wow!
    Bernie Williams belongs in the HOF more than any ball player on this list.None of these great ball players achieved the same status.He made things happen when they needed to happen.
    He was the personification of clutch…played in 6 World Series winning 4 times winning the MVP in 1998 ( Yanks won 125 games that year and crushed everyone in the playoffs)
    .297 Lifetime BA, 2400 hits, 1300 RBIs, 1400 runs scored , 5 All Star appearances, 4 gold gloves…450 doubles ,55 triples, 287 hrs,batted over .300 8 times (.339/.342 ) !
    121 post season appearances
    22 post season HRs, 80 post season RBIs…The Yankee Dynasty of the late 90s /early 2Ks…arguably the greatest ensemble of MLB talent ever… would not have succeeded without him.
    How is he NOT in the HOF?

    • @davemal15
      @davemal15 2 роки тому +1

      Totally Agree … he was the guy teams worried about not Jeter.. AROD was right about that.

    • @Iamhungey
      @Iamhungey 6 місяців тому

      I wonder how things could have gone if it weren't for knee injury in 2003 that caused his decline to become more drastic.

  • @bezllama3325
    @bezllama3325 2 роки тому +4

    Fred Clarke was also a manager and that has a lot to do with his induction

  • @alisongrillocomedify
    @alisongrillocomedify 2 роки тому +2

    This was a very entertaining, well-reasoned and persuasive program. It convinced me that fielding excellence just doesn't much matter to HoF voters. I recall, by the way, that in the '62 Series, his throwing skills kept Mays (or was it McCovey?) at third base in the ninth inning of Game Seven, helping to save the day for the Yankees.

    • @rufust.firefly4890
      @rufust.firefly4890 2 роки тому

      Check your history. McCovey made the last out.

    • @chucklynch6523
      @chucklynch6523 2 роки тому +1

      It was Matty Alou that took the wide turn at third, and then decided to go back and give McCovey a crack! Willie Mays was the one that hit the ball into the right field corner!

  • @franklinchristopher4010
    @franklinchristopher4010 2 роки тому +3

    I still can't believe Barry Larkin got in the Hall of Fame and Dave Concepcion is not.. Dave Concepcion belongs in the Hall. But voters today look at different numbers such as homers, and the shortstop position was different then. He was innovative defensive player and could steal bases and clutch in the playoffs.

    • @kelz3240
      @kelz3240 2 роки тому

      Well people need to look into that because there are so many people that need to be in the Hall of Fame.
      Like Cesar Cedeno, Jim Edmonds, Kenny Lofton and so many more who had a lot of hits, gold glove awards and MVPs

  • @saulshine1969
    @saulshine1969 2 роки тому +1

    This list breaks my heart and baffles my mind. All are well deserved of the HOF

  • @sidecar7714
    @sidecar7714 2 роки тому +4

    Dave Stieb: seven-time All-Star, won 140 games in the 1980s, the second-highest total by a pitcher in that decade. 176-137
    Earned run average
    3.44, 1,669 strikeouts …

  • @robstack3712
    @robstack3712 2 роки тому +2

    OMG, I assumed Parker & Garvey were in, Dale Murphy is a First Ballot Statomatic HOFer, Omar NO Doubt, great job. Also Garvey deserves to go in w the whole Dodger in feild as the GR8ST EVR

  • @bezllama3325
    @bezllama3325 2 роки тому +3

    Charlie Grimm definitely deserves it, his managing career and playing career combine to make a very overwhelming case

    • @jeromemilne561
      @jeromemilne561 2 роки тому

      Charlie Grimm was a baseball lifer who's ashes were scattered at Wrigley Field

  • @btku1
    @btku1 Рік тому +2

    How about Dan Quisenberry? His career WAR is very comparable to Bruce Sutter and Rollie Fingers. A 3 time all star, 5 time rolaid relief, lead the AL in saves 4 straight years (82-85).

    • @tenfourproductionsllc
      @tenfourproductionsllc 4 місяці тому

      And Jesse Orosco's WAR is similar to them also... You are looking at the SAVE stat, which is a bogus stat.... I'm sure I can find other middle relievers also....

  • @MikeHart72
    @MikeHart72 2 роки тому +5

    I watched this to see if Steve Garvey would be on the list. I have something you missed and is very impressive.
    Steve Garvey had 200+ hits in a season 6 times, more times than the great Tony Gwynn. To me this is an exceptional feat and should alone gain him entry into the HOF

  • @higgy04
    @higgy04 11 місяців тому

    Where does Bert Campanaris fall in on this? Weren't his first hits for the KC Athletics homeruns? I remember watching ESPN Classic whenever 'George Brett Pine Tar Game' appeared (I was at the Astros @ Expos game that afternoon in 1983) and being quite amazed at Campy's stats for the Yankees that season. Not only was I amazed but so was Phil Rizzutto. Scooter accidentally called him 'Campanella' during the game which made me say to the TV, 'Campanella?!? He hasn't played since 1957!!'

  • @CanadianBiPolarBear
    @CanadianBiPolarBear 2 роки тому +3

    I always just thaught marris, mattingly, garvey, murphy and parker were in the hall , mind u i was born in 81 so these names were talked about like they were legends

  • @patrickmoreau7592
    @patrickmoreau7592 Рік тому

    I like your list and your arguments.
    I think you should think of Dwight Evans and Juan Gonzales

  • @MikeHart72
    @MikeHart72 2 роки тому +4

    All star selections shouldn’t be a consideration for the HOF because essentially it’s a popularity contest where players are voted in by fans

    • @magicjohnson-o4l
      @magicjohnson-o4l Рік тому +1

      Exactly because jt realmuto should been a all star last year

  • @RealBlueony
    @RealBlueony 2 роки тому +2

    I think one to look at is "Bad Bill" Dahlen, a shortstop who played from 1891-1911. He was named "Bad Bill" because of his altercations with umpires and opposing players, but man could he play: He has the 11th highest WAR of all time by a shortstop, HOF or not, at 75.2 per Baseball-Reference, and a similar figure at Fangraphs, at 77.5. He was one of, if not the greatest fielding shortstop of the 1890s and early 1900s, perhaps better than the great Honus Wagner-he had a higher Defensive WAR than Wagner, 28.5 for Dahlen to 21.3 for Wagner, over a similar length of career. And while Wagner was a much better hitter (in this era, outside of Ty Cobb, who was?), Dahlen was no slouch either. He hit .272 for his career, with 2,461 career hits, he drove in 1,234 career runs, had 413 doubles, 163 triples, and oh yeah, 84 homeruns for good measure, an impressive total in the deadball era. Also of note: in 1894, he set the then consecutive games hitting record at 42, which stood until Wee Willie Keeler broke it in 1897 with a 44 game streak. He then proceeded to hit in another 28 consecutive games. But for one game we'd be talking about "Bad Bill" Dahlen's 71 game hitting streak as the all-time record, and not the great Joe DiMaggio.

    • @rlsfrny
      @rlsfrny 2 роки тому

      Dahlen should be in.

  • @sethjohnson657
    @sethjohnson657 2 роки тому +3

    Mattingly, Munson, Mcgriff, Murphy, Cash

    • @tenfourproductionsllc
      @tenfourproductionsllc 4 місяці тому +1

      Norm Cash..... hummm, 3rd most RBI's of any player in the 60s in the AL only trailed Killebrew and Brooks Robinson.. Killebrew was not a first ballot HOFer.... Tougher back then to get in.

  • @PBW891
    @PBW891 2 роки тому +1

    Roger Maris as a power hitter had very few strikeouts. He had only 67 in his 61 hr season. But I think Maris falls just short of the halls standard. Great 2 seasons but the career totals are just not there.

  • @williamanderson6006
    @williamanderson6006 2 роки тому +3

    Dale Murphy's biggest problem was that he came right before the steriod era.

  • @nothumbbowler1802
    @nothumbbowler1802 2 роки тому +2

    The 94 strike probably has hurt Mattingly's chance a lot. Probably the best Yankee team he was on, and he sort of reinvented himself at the time, hitting for good avg and OBP.

  • @rogerosterberger4627
    @rogerosterberger4627 2 роки тому +2

    Mark Grace is my choice. Never wore batting gloves that I know of. I thought that was interesting.

    • @Jonathan-ih7qp
      @Jonathan-ih7qp 2 роки тому +1

      Most hits and doubles out of any player in the 1990's. Dude was automatic.

    • @rogerosterberger4627
      @rogerosterberger4627 2 роки тому

      Thanks. He was always overlooked and I was sad when he went to Arizona.

    • @WalterParrett-i2e
      @WalterParrett-i2e 2 місяці тому

      The champ of no batting gloves....HOFer Vlad Guerrero

  • @TheAnisongMan
    @TheAnisongMan 2 роки тому +1

    Why do people keep forgetting about Bernie Williams in these conversations??? Those 90s Yankees teams do not win any WS without him

  • @randyransio7870
    @randyransio7870 2 роки тому +6

    Dave Parker was better than 100 players in the Hall. Steve Garvey should be in.

    • @deneenjeffries2768
      @deneenjeffries2768 2 роки тому +1

      Another issue is they blame Drug use for Parker’s drop off but his worse years 81 and 82 he suffered bad knees and arm and hand injuries. He played hurt much of the time. Once he became healthy and got clean he was dominant through his mid and late thirties, that is hard to do. He’s got the stats, awards, longevity and big moments especially in the All star games.

    • @magicjohnson-o4l
      @magicjohnson-o4l Рік тому +1

      Dave Parker is still legend and should be in the hall of fame

  • @JasonKTerry
    @JasonKTerry Рік тому +1

    Murphy's problem was he didn't have a 'normal' decline phase which would have made his numbers better. He hit .295 with 44 HR in '87, then fell off a cliff. I think that if off the field issues and PED's can keep you out, the Murph's off the field pluses combined with his performance should put him in.

  • @juncruz6266
    @juncruz6266 2 роки тому +3

    don mattingly one of my favorite player ever

  • @birdchatterbaseball2024
    @birdchatterbaseball2024 2 роки тому

    good job ill have to check out your other video. Just subscribed. Like your channel.

  • @jacobredmond4127
    @jacobredmond4127 2 роки тому +4

    I got one that isn’t really talked about currently on the ballot. Torii Hunter. His lifetime stats remind me of Edmonds and Andruw Jones. Especially at CF. He got over 2000 hit unlike those two. In fact he got like 2400 if I remember correctly. 9 straight GG. 8 is impressive for Edmonds. 10 is impressive for Andruw. 9 is right up there for me. Damn near 400 bombs too. And the great moment with Barry in the ASG. Come on. Put him in.

    • @erichvonmanstein6876
      @erichvonmanstein6876 2 роки тому

      Yeah lets put all the "almost good enough" guys in so we can have a hall of good players instead of hall of fame players🤨

    • @jacobredmond4127
      @jacobredmond4127 2 роки тому

      @@erichvonmanstein6876 if you wanna put andruw and Edmonds in for defense based on GGs with 10 and 8, Hunter has to be in the conversation with 9. And, arguably, better lifetime numbers. Andruw’s peak was way better don’t get me wrong. I just think you can’t leave these people out when mentioning all the other people at their position. Also I’m a braves fan. Can’t call me biased either 😂

    • @erichvonmanstein6876
      @erichvonmanstein6876 2 роки тому

      @@jacobredmond4127 you're a braves fan, how do you figure we cant call you biased? You do know jones came in with Atlanta and played his first ELEVEN SEASONS there right🤨

    • @erichvonmanstein6876
      @erichvonmanstein6876 2 роки тому

      @@jacobredmond4127 gold gloves are a non factor in hall of fame criteria. If they meant anything omar vizquel would be in. These guys dont have hall of fame numbers. They are where they should be, on a list of good to very good players but not in the hall of fame.

    • @erichvonmanstein6876
      @erichvonmanstein6876 2 роки тому

      @@jacobredmond4127 edmonds defensive war is 6.4👎
      Andruw jones is (by this measure) the best defensive centerfielder of alltime with a war of 24.4. if he would have had just a couple more good years on offense he would ,out of the 3, most likely be in. He has 434 hrs but he doesnt even have 2000 hits, bats an abysmal .254 lifetime with barley over 1000 runs and rbis scored. Nothing about that says hall of fame. But like i say if he could of tacked on a couple more good years he may have made it.

  • @EarthWindandFIRE7
    @EarthWindandFIRE7 2 роки тому +1

    Kenny Lofton was my favorite player growing up. Incredible that they first year bounced him. 9th best WAR ever! I checked out of the HOF after this.

  • @Pockets2001
    @Pockets2001 2 роки тому +3

    Orel Hershiser needs to also be in the Hall of Fame as well. He was dominant for a good long time.

    • @erichvonmanstein6876
      @erichvonmanstein6876 2 роки тому

      Probably had THE most dominate pitching season EVER in 1988

    • @4ak458
      @4ak458 2 роки тому +1

      He us a tweener. Orel played for some so so teams that kept his win toral an percentage marginal. Due to no fault of his. Number lookers gey to stuck on just numbers.

  • @davidcee8852
    @davidcee8852 11 місяців тому +1

    I'd like to stand up for Danny Murtaugh...as a manager!
    Won 2 World Series with the Pittsburgh Pirates.
    1. 1960, the Pirates won in 7 games against the powerful and elite New York Yankees.
    2. 1971, the Pirates won again against my All-Time favorite team, 3X defending AL champs and defending World Series champion Baltimore Orioles.
    His health preventing him from having big win career totals, but for 2 different yrs, 11yrs apart...He put the Pirates on top!!
    Thanks, Danny! R.I.P.

  • @alanela6761
    @alanela6761 2 роки тому +3

    Roger Maris does not warrant HOF consideration. He hit 36% (100) of his career home run total in his 2 mvp seasons. 175 in his other 10, and he couldn't hit for avg (.260). Need to have either HR total, a decent avg, or once in a generation defense
    Example- jim rice hit 382 hr, batted .298 career, and barely got into the hall in his 15th year of eligibility.

  • @phillylifer
    @phillylifer 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for mentioning Murphy. I agree you cant talk about his era without him because he was the best. This is Mike Schmidt time and it belonged to Nurphy

    • @WALTERBROADDUS
      @WALTERBROADDUS 2 роки тому +1

      I think Dale Murphy had he stayed in Atlanta would have had been voted in...

  • @winddmmy
    @winddmmy 2 роки тому +3

    got to give you a thumbs down because you still have not GIVEN THURMAN MUNSON HIS DO!

  • @BrunoEwok
    @BrunoEwok 2 роки тому +1

    I didn't quite think it possible to firmly agree with a UA-camr on every single sentence in a 16 minute video. Most of these guys belong in the Hall even more than the Top 10.

  • @CharmCityGamer
    @CharmCityGamer 11 місяців тому +1

    To me Omar should be in the Hall. Yes he had scandals but this was long after he retired. Shouldn’t impact his HOF impact. And don’t get me started on Kenny Lofton. Thanks Humm!

  • @bigcat1411
    @bigcat1411 Рік тому

    Andres Garallaga ,do you thnk?