Joe Carter should've been in the cooperstown was on 2 world series and Dale Murphy great career in Atlanta with the Braves in the 80's put up great years 1980-1987 2 NL Mvp and Dave Parker another great won 2 world series 1 NLMvp .
Dustin Pedroia anybody? The face of the Red Sox after Ortiz retired. Won rookie of the year, AL MVP, silver slugger award, 4 time gold glove award, 4 time all star and 2 time World Series champion with a Lifetime batting average of .299
One guy I believe should definitely be in is William Dummy Hoy. He was a great hitter and stole a ton of bases. He was deaf as well and is considered to be the reason that umpires you signals to call balls and strikes
For Tommy John, he should have played 3 more mediocre years and hurt his arm enough so he couldn't lift a pencil after retirement to get those 12 wins he needed to get to 300. He might as well had a record of 4 and 8242343524362 to the writers. Just like McGriff.
@@mikekinsella2822 Exactly. The writers never seem to add qualitative factors into consideration, only those numbers that have to reach certain milestones, not 3 hits or strikeouts short of the certain milestones. Remember that Jackie goddamn Robinson almost didn't get in his first ballot (though a few no votes were probably due to racism). Larry Doby didn't get elected until 1998. There should be a fan vote where fans elect 1 player every year who receives the most votes if the writers fail to elect anyone. So players like Curt Schilling or Carlos Beltran don't waste ballot space for 10 years because writers are petty and dumb. If the writers want to submit a blank ballot and write a "journalism" article on why they're so stunning and brave for not voting anyone, fine, but don't punish it for the rest of us. There's no point in even having a hall of fame if there isn't at least someone inducted every year.
Dave Stieb and Carlos Delgado should be HOF players. I am a huge Jays fan. I cried with tears of joy when Doc Halladay got in on 2019. You should make a video about him. We won't see another ace like him for a long time.
@@durasaxon5131 As a Yankee fan, I know how good Stieb was. I remember his near perfect game against the Yankees when he was a strike away from the feat. Stieb is the American League version of Orel Hershieser. A great pitcher who falls just short of reaching the HOF.
Probably because you didn't see him own your hometown team as often as I did. Mine would be the Mariners. Even in their best times, it seemed like the Yankees pitching staff could frustrate the heck out of them.
Cone shouldn't make it. I see this as a reach for clicks. He was very good but never great for a long period of time. I don't see 300 wins or 3,500 strike outs. Just very good
For real, especially considering he did the bill of his work in essentially a 13 year career. His other 4 seasons saw playing time that doesn’t even equal one season.
David Cone, has a Cy Young and a perfect game, that combo should kinda just bypass the vote. I think one of the biggest names that your list is missing is Lefty O'Doul. 5th all time for Career batting average .349 .413 on base (32nd all time) and .532 slg (50th all time) ops .945 (27th). Sure it was only an 11 year career, but you know what else he did? He introduced baseball to Japan. The Tokyo Giants are named such because Lefty last played for the New York Giants. No Lefty and we don't have Nomo, Ichiro, or Ohtani
Out of all the players ive watched its Andrew Jones who is my #1 snub. His defense was historically great and his power numbers rank with other HOF players.
Fred McGriff, great call, retired with the same amount of Homers as Lou Gerhig. Played during the roid era but his skinny frame it was evident he definitely didnt need that. His lanky build and sweet swing was a rhing if beauty
I've been emailing numerous writers over the years saying Tommy John belongs there as I did for Jack Morris & Jim Kaat until they got in. Munson definetly needs to get in. He was the backbone of the great 70s Yankee teams. If Belle had his father's personality he would have gotten in. I heard his dad was a well liked coach years ago. Seems numerous players such as Cone aren't in because they had short stints with several teams. Noticed also that some players who spent a good portion of their careers playing for a Canadian or Florida teams teams get overlooked.
Sorry man, but all of those guys fell off the ballot years, if not decades, ago. Emailing writers won’t do you any good because they can’t vote for them anymore.
I must disagree on your comment regarding Munson being a Hall Of Famer. True, he was on the same line as Bench & Fisk during the '70's, however, he didn't play long enough to be inducted. The only player who played fewer seasons & was inducted was old time pitcher Addie Joss, who put up numbers that stand to this day.
Hershieser has one of those rare feats that with all his other numbers and awards should , imo, easily push him across the finish line for the hof, he had one of those dominating post seasons where he led his team to a world series victory. Slam dunk. Also Jim Edmonds was an elite player for most of his career and one of the top center fielders of his era , he should be in too.
I’m 51 and a born Bombers fan who grew up 20 minutes from Yankee Stadium. I love too many Yankees legends to count, but I have only ever owned one team jersey my entire life: 15 And that’s the only one I’ll ever own.
Orioles fan here: Thurman Munson, what a great Yankee. A bit before I became a fan, but he was a game-changer, hands down. Hell, I cried watching the UA-cam game in 1979 that was his memorial as it was a very painful thing to watch: 55,000 plus fans, and players all mourning together, shared grief over a true leader, and you could see that with tears everywhere you looked.... Team leader and on the field general, plus he put up with George Steinbrenner, and THAT ALONE should give him first ballot HOF. I used to say there is a reason why some players do not make the HOF, Munson's snub is arguably one of the most egregious.
My brother...we're not gonna see eye to eye on Beltran (or Altuve or Bregman or my own beloved Blue Jay George Springer). Anyone who intentionally cheats the game (I DO NOT give a damn if it's always been part of the game, it's STILL cheating, and "cheating is cheating, just like, cheating is cheating"), DOES NOT deserve enshrinement with the immortals. Altuve is top 50 all-time in my book, I hope to God he never gets in. I hope the 46% who voted for Beltran decide have a change of heart, and decide to vote for MLB players, not MLB traitors.
one manager i believe should be in the hof is former pirates manager Danny Murtaugh he won two world series both against hall of fame managers weaver and stengal. his teams owned the nl east and he took his team to the post season almost every year. murtaugh belongs in the hof.
You know, David Cone could literally be the biggest #1 snub. Dude cooked in the late 80s into the 90s! Holy crap!! To the point I actually assumed he was already a HOFer! Jesus Christ
Dwight Evans was really, really good. I didn't personally see him play, as I only started watching baseball in 1995. I don't think he was on the team then. Eight Gold Gloves and 2400 hits? If Rolen got in with only around 2000 hits and also 8 Gold Gloves (albeit at a different position), then Evans should have at least had his time on the ballot!
A lot of people have different opinions on Evans (don't call him Dewey, he hated it.) I grew up watching him in Boston during his prime. He was a very good player, with a great throwing arm, but not A Great One. Guys that played on the same team as him- Rice, Yaz, Fisk & even Perez were Superstars. I'd rank Evans on the same scale as Former teammate as Fred Lynn.
@@marcstevens8576 Sure, he wasn't as good as Yaz, Rice, or Fisk. I didn't grow up watching them. I grew up watching Mo and Nomar, then Ortiz and Manny. So, I never saw him play. But his stats are good, but not as good as the others you named.
Fernando Valenzuela should get in. He had a great career. 2 rings, 1 CY young, ROY,, no-hitter, 6 all star games, 200 wins and perhaps most importantly, paving the way for Hispanic players
With all due respect I think Fernando does belong in the Hall of Fame BUT he did NOT pave the way for Hispanic players. That's not true I dont know where you got that from.
Love your videos! As a Kansas Citian and Royals fan, just wanted to point out that Coney won the Cy Young in 1994 with KC (Cone and Kevin Appier a really underrated 1-2 punch of the era). Agree he had an underratedly great career and needs more Hall consideration. One of the worst trades in Royals history was trading young, Kansas City native and childhood Royals fan David Cone to the Mets for Ed Hearn, and then after getting him back in free agency, we doubled down on it after the Kauffmans (original owners) died and money dried up by sending him to the Blue Jays right after winning the Cy Young for Chris Stynes. Woof.
KoKo Korneko: How can he not be in the HoF. Because he went out and played the game like it should be played. No theatrics. No 'droids. No flashy defense. Just solid numbers year after year.
You know, I've been liking the content of the channel. It's great. Especially the one where it talks about the 10 players who are clubhouse cancers to teams. Watched it more than once. Recommend a part 2 of the content.
Your knowledge and research are admirable . My issue is that baseball's HoF is exclusive and that's what makes it special . Plus you're on a third top 10 snubbed list so in truth it's now a top 30 list . Will it eventually be a top 50?
Start with Dave Parker. Talk about a stud ! And how about Rocky Colavito. And lastly Dewey Evans. Next to Al Kaline he was the best rightfielder I ever saw. And for the record I'm a lifelong YANKEE fan. On my first game at Fenway in 1975 I saw Evans throw out Roy White TWICE !!! Once going from first to third on a single to right. And a couple of innings later White going from 2nd base to home. And Roy White was a damn good baserunner. That performance alone should have Dwight in Cooperstown. 😂
Wow! He didn’t even mention Dale Murphy, “Donny Baseball” Don Mattingly, or 500+ home run hitter Gary Sheffield. My top 5 snubs are: #5. Tommy John #4. Orel Hershiser #3. Dale Murphy #2. Don Mattingly #1. Gary Sheffield
I met Belle. He was a real a-hole towards me and other fans... LITERALLY snubbing US! So I completely disagree with him being in the HOF. I'm writing this after you mentioned Munson, that I agree fully with the rest, so far. Update: I absolutely agree with the other two. Belle and his attitude even with his fans the only exception.
Carlos Beltrán, is a cheater...PERIOD! The Commissioner's Trophy for the 2017 World Series "win", should, at the very least, have been stripped away from the Astros, and everyone involved be immediately "banned" from Baseball...forever. "The Hall of Fame asks voters to decide based on a player’s record, ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character and team contributions."
Classic cases of writers, who never or couldn’t play, holding the power of who gets in or not, and if there was a player who didn’t get along with the writers he was guaranteed not to get in.
I'm a Cubs fan myself. Grace not being in is ridiculous. Like you said he had the most hits of the 90s. A time when everybody was Juiced out of their minds. And he got more hits than all of them. A multiple time Gold Glove winner. His war is 46.4 I believe. And a career .383 OBP.
Carlos delgado hit at least 30 homeruns in 11 seasons & drove in more runs than the Mick?!?! R u f'n kidding me? Get your heads out of your collective asses! I agree on all your assessments & its hard to fathom that theres 20 players even better than these... thank goodness Crime Dog & scott Rolen finally got some overdue hall of fame love.
How in the world is Orel not in the Hall? He was dominant, and I mean dominant for at least a decade. He broke the scoreless inning streak, a record that was thought unbreakable at the time. Probably because he is an outspoken Christian. Jack Morris isn't even in the same category as Hershiser.
I don't think there is any player not in the HOF now that deserves to be there. Fact is there are about 25 players AT LEAST that are in that should not be. The HOF should have a higher bar then it currently has and if there is even the slightest bit of doubt if a player should be in or not then I say he is OUT.
It's a crime that Munson is not in the Hall. I did a video called Catcher X for the Hall that compared an unnamed catcher (Munson) to a player that I think will go right in to the Hall (Buster Posey). Very similar careers but munson was a bit better including number of games caught (for those thinking he didn't play long enough). Stop the madness I say!
Darrell Evans and HoJo belong in the Hall. The voters don't like Evans' batting average, but he's 13th all time in walks. Plus he's got 400+ HR's in a non-PED era. HoJo's got similar numbers to Jackie Robinson as well as being the only switch-hitter in MLB history with multiple 30/30 Clubs, which he had 3 of within 5 years. Plus he's got 2 rings with 2 different teams.
Darrell Evans really deserves more love. Even with modern assessment, he had a career WAR close to 60. He was a serious threat for pretty much his entire career. The Tigers of the '80s had a few guys guys who history has underappreciated. Evans, Lou Whittaker...
@Soxruleyanksdrool Rose is one that is keeping Rose out. Google how many deals he botched that would allow him to get in. Best deal would have paid off his gambling debts, kept him out of prison, and eventually allowed him in. His constant lies hurt him as well. Widely known even during the 70's he was a heavy gambler. Rose also signed the agreement banning him forever. Rose thought he was bigger than baseball. And I like Rose as a player. It is not just one thing keeping him out. But the one thing they all have in common is Rose is at center of them. Other players former and current tried helping him get in. And he spit in their faces.
@charlesdoyle3630 Yes, but if the HOF already has steroid users as members (some say Ivan Rodriguez, Bagwell, and Raines are. I personally don't know because I wasn't there.) then they don't care enough to keep rule breakers out and should tear up any agreement with Rose and let him in. I have also heard that they are waiting until after he dies to just let him in without him being there. But that would be very petty on MLBs part. I'm not excusing Rose or anyone else. I just don't think it's fair that MLB gets to turn a blind eye to steroid use because of the McGwire/Bonds/Sosa HR races bringing in all those ratings, but when it suits them, they go after Pete Rose for gambling. Go after every known rule breaker or let them all walk. The rules should be enforced fairly for all. Just my .02 cents.
I Love it . Beltran is not a HOF imo Delgado ehhh. I’m not all for just BIG HR #’s during Powerball era It was a great career for both but idk about HOF . The ones I really Love and agree with are the old timers You dig up from 1800’s & real early 1900’s . They should be in and it’s super cool to see them getting Love from anyone Good looks Brotha . Coney was a Great SP and I can definitely see Him being worthy Orel not being in is just ridiculous Doc should be in just for His 1st 5 years alone they were so amazing Then He ended up coming back and giving a decent finally to His career Pitching a No/No and Winning another WS Ring 🏆 💍
I think you could make a great argument for George Foster to be in the HOF. The 1977 season he had was ridiculous, hitting 52 homers and driving in 149, winning the MVP. Really important part of the big red machine.
I love that bit of throttle of excitement in your voice with a touch of distain over those who have not made the HALL. As a Yankees fan I truly would hope Thurman Munson would be in the Hall of Fame. Also, immense respect for Dwight Evans. Orel Hershiser? Tommy John? Luis Tiant? Absolutely!! Most of your selections have credentials. Now why isn't Albert Belle in the Hall of Fame? ty I'm binging - Very enjoyable! ✅
Wainwright may be in the list one day, those injuries he had each time he had a 20 win season really did a number to what his stats could have been. Even then a case can be made especially if he gets past 200 wins.
For me, Tommy John. He missed many years and still won nearly 300 games. Don Mattingly. Before injuries, he was arguably the best player in the AL for a 5 year span. Omar Vizquel. Way better offensively than Ozzie and almost as many gold gloves.
Glad to see Dewey getting some love! I could not agree more, he is a HUGE snub. And from watching this, I never realized how deserving Carlos Delgado is for the Hall. What a shame these two aren't in.
Mini top 5 of players you’ve yet to talk about in this series that I think are snubs Bill Dahlen: 20 year career before WW1 Graig Nettles: Advanced Statistics Darling, and at a position in need of more representation in Cooperstown. Ken Boyer: For example! This guy is an 11 time all star, 5 time gold Glover, and won an MVP, yet he has no plaque? What’s the BBWAA’s beef with 3rd Baseman? Him, Sal Bando, Graig Nettles, Dick Allen, and Buddy Bell are all huge snubs, and all at the same position! Dave Steib: He is both the best starting pitcher of the 80s, and the single greatest Blue Jay in franchise history, yet he’s not in the Hall! Bobby Abreu: I will die fighting to get him in, I don’t care. Nearly batted for a career .300 .400 .500 during the Steroid Era while being clean. He’s 20th on the all time walk list and also stole 400 bags. Hall of Famer, without question.
3B is the most under-represented fielding position in Cooperstown by a country mile. IIRC, Mike Schmitt was only the tenth 3B elected, and his career came after all those guys you mentioned.
I just saw this current top 10 video, of your's .... I would like to add my 3 former ball players to you, list. 2 every day guys & 1 pitcher, they are 1 } Craig Nettles, 2 } Steve Garvey, & 3 } Jerry Koosman. growing up in New Jersey Yankees & Mets are still at the top of my list. Plus I was a major Padres fan back in 1984 ...........
It is time to rethink pitchers from the 80's and 90's who didn't get 300 wins. Guys like Stewart and Viola dominated and never really got a fair shake at the HOF.
If David Cone is HOF caliber well then so is Fernando Valenzuela. There will never be another fernandomania. Growing up a kid in the 80s in Los Angeles Fernandomania took the city bye storm. I agree he doesn't have 300 wins l believe he has 179 but the impact he made to the game of baseball and to the city will never be matched especially after the Dodgers finally beat those dam Yankees in 1981 after loosing back to back in 1977 and 1978 to the Yanks without him and not to mention not only did the Dodgers beat the Yankees in 1981 but Fernando won the CY young award and rookie of the year he had career 2074 strikeouts 1 Gold Glove award, , 2 Silver Slugger awards and 7 all star appearances.
Carlos Beltran was one of my favorite players to watch growing up. His career is definitely HOF worthy. It's a shame what he was involved in though. I was honestly about to go on a rant about you defending Beltran until you mentioned the part where everyone was doing it and this was in his final season of his MLB career. And the mere fact that Cora and Hinch still have a job is saying something about "consistency". For David Cone, aside from all the stats you mentioned, he was one of the true big game pitchers in the playoffs. There is no denying it. Appreciate you giving respect to Orel Hershiser. It's a shame that his run of pitching dominance didn't last long due to injuries and lack of run support in LA. How Carlos Delgado made only 2 All star teams was surprising. You hit the nail on the head for Thurman Munson. His HR numbers aren't great, but he was the main force in the Yankees' 70s titles. And Dwight Evans, 3x All Star, 8x Gold Glove award. People today quickly forget the cannon of an arm he had in right field. 385 home runs, nearly 2,500 hits, and his longevity was highly impressive.
What's crazy is how only the Puerto Rican and Hispanic players got introuble for the Astros cheating and the American players didn't get disciplined at all,Belrtan was the the person they blamed he wasn't even there long enough....He fasho is a hall of Fame players but what's the hall with out the best players?
@jasonrodriguez8569 he brought the system from a previous team and expanded on it. Astros had no system until Beltran arrived. But if it really helped so much why are there away numbers better?
As an Astros and Beltran fan, I say it is so much worse that he was the veteran on that team. Veterans are there to make sure stuff like that didn’t happen, not to take part of it, much less be a ringleader. I can’t support him getting in.
Let’s keep in mind Beltran wasn’t just involved in the cheating scandal. He was the one who started it here in Houston. He brought it from New York. He was adamant about using the system. So really in all actuality, he was probably cheating for many years seeing that the Yankees were doing it and he brought that system here.
Another banger of a mini docu by Erik. Okay so just listen me out on this ball player which i think at the very least deserves discussion regarding his HOF case. "Johnny Damon". Well over 2500 big league games if you count playoff games too (which ofcourse should be counted and he performed pretty well in them too). 2769 hits (over 500 doubles). .284 BA. Above .350 OBP. Over 400 stolen bags. Career .988 fielding percentage with a good amount played in CF. Multiple WS rings. Longevity wise he was durable and dependable, making every team he was a part of better with his presence. Not saying he was a super star and it is unbelievable he is not in the Hall, but cmon at the very least his stats deserve a look.
No Dave Stieb? I'd argue Stieb was better than Herscheiser and obviously better than other pitchers in the HOF (Morris, for starters). He was punished by playing in Toronto, more or less. I'd even say he has a better case than Cone. (And FWIW, yes, I thought this BEFORE the Secret Base video series)
Great show hummer!!!! Highly recommed!! I've been in despair again on account of the "extinct" centerfielder. Going the way of the knuckleballer, like he's an anomally, A mysterious extinct prehistoric ceature from lore. If Willie Mays were a young prospect today, he'd be forced to gain 25 pounds and play right field, he'd never steal, bunt, tag when dangerous. It would seem having five tools leads to injuries, so this player gets avoided in favor of big homer hitting thugs with far less D and OBP like its a home run derby now, not the game I played..
I literally could write a book about what a joke the BBWAA and committees are. Rolen's numbers aren't as good as Mattingly's and Mattingly isn't in. Dave Parker, Bill Buckner, Dale Murphy, Omar Vasquez, Kenny Loftin, Will Clark, I could go on and on and on should be in. Maybe Al Oliver, Mickey Lolich, Ritchie Allen, Steve Garvey, Orel Hershiser, Albert Belle, Dave Kingman, DelGado. Shit it's endless.
Another list that's loaded with 80s players, which is already overloaded in the Hall of Fame with Hall of Very Good players.. But of course, you can't do youtube videos of players who have no videos of them. Seriously, do more research of players from the 50s, 40s, 30s, and 20s who are not in the Hall of Fame.
I like to make a case for Willie McGee. He doesn't have the home runs a lot of outfielders have, but he does have: 1984 MVP 4x All-Star 3 Gold Gloves 1 Silver Slugger 4 World Series, 1 win 2 NL Batting Titles during Tony Gwynn's prime Over 2200 hits with 350 stolen bases Not a bad resumé for a guy most people think of as a role player just because he was quiet and didn't have many homers, but he did have lots of doubles, triples, and stolen bases. Compare him to guys like Scott Rolen, Alan Trammell, Bill Mazeroski...
I am moving close to Cooperstown soon. I went to visit the baseball hall of fame and noticed many items and stats they have for Fernando Valenzuela. I remember in the ‘80s he was a huge star. Yet he’s not in the hall of fame. They certainly love him, but not enshrined. For his run as a Dodger I think he should be in just like Orel Hershiser. What do you guys think? I know once he left L. A., he wasn’t the same. I myself stopped watching baseball in the ‘90s as I became a hockey fan after that and focused on that, but I remember him being huge in baseball and him not being in baffles me.
Hey Hum baby, I got a list of guys that should be in the HOF, vida blue, Dwight Gooden, Jeff Reardon, John Olrud, Steve Finley, Andres Gallerrala, Garrett Anderson, Lance Perkman, Charlie Hough, Johan Santana, Jimmy Rollins, Torii Hunter, Jose Mesa, John Franco, Darryl Strawberry
I've never been to Cooperstown but it would be cool if these SNUBBED guys were in an interactive room at the HOF where you could walk around the perimeter, plug in your head set you bought with admittance, and listen to the bio and arguments for whatever featured players and then have an annual selection where at least 1 guy was selected by the fans. In a time where we the people can't even have the president or governors we vote for cause the federal government and elites have plans to enslave us, can we at least vote on one guy for the HOF or should we just support Pete Rose efforts, the ultimate snub of snubs? Love that guy
David Cone should have had more than 200 wins, but he was stuck on some mediocre team for the first half of his career. In 1991 he went 14-14 with a 3.29 ERA but a FIP of 2.52.
BWA members who coldn't draw a curve, much less hit one. HOA is a popularity contest. Dave Concepcion (JAWS - 58 ) who always gets snubbed by being compared to Ozzie Smith. But, he had better batting stats overall in his career and way bertter in the post season. And with the glove he was silk. Let AI pick HOF worthy players, and take the bozos out of it. Go figure.
Dwight Evan's is NOT a hall of famer. He was a excellent player but NOT a hall of famer. The guy who did this video must be his friend. I was waiting for him to say "Evan's hit the first pitch of the 1987 season for a home run and that should put him in the Hall!"
I really like your logic with the guys who didn’t use PEDs during the steroid era. If the Hall is gonna keep out the juicers, then surely top players who didn’t, like Delgado, deserve to be in
There were NO guys playing in the PED era that didn't use PEDS. EVERYONE USED them cause if you didn't you couldn't compete. Just because a lot of guys didn't have to take the brunt of the PED blame for that era( BONDS SOSA MAC CLEMENS SHEFFIELD BELLE ect ect ) don't mean they wasn't useing. NOBODY will ever convince me Ricky Henderson Robbie Alomar Ivan Rod Barry Larkin were not on roids yet they got in and we know BIG POOPIE David Ortiz was on the Michell report list yet got in 1st ballot. Its a popularity contest
I like the work you do, especially bringing up the greatest snubs of all-time, early stars like Barnes & Glasscock, who played decades before the HOF was erected. I'd encourage you to not lean so heavy on WAR and JAWS. Most of your snubs are now Era Committee fodder, and those committees are comprised mostly of old players who generally take a dim view of analytics, because they are aware of a truth that the Sabermetrics community are hopelessly blind to: that it is entirely impossible, because baseball is a game of countless intangibles that cannot be quantified by some equation, to create a system of any kind to judge the overall worth of a player.
Well all I can say about the HOF nominators is that it took them FOREVER to realize the contributions of Gill Hodges both as a player with some of the greatest Dodger teams of the 1950's but the guy who took the prior worst franchise in baseball to the World Series Championship . So I don't give then a lot of credit for their picks.
You've forgotten the biggest HoF robbery of them all...... How about a player with a 21 year career with- Career .272 BA over 2700 hits 400 Stolen bases and ... WON 11 Gold Gloves at SS..... ???? isn't THAT a HoF career...?
Drive me nuts when they snug people over character like Albert Belle and yet they let someone like Jack Morris in the Hall of Fame. You'd be hard-pressed to find a person with less class than Jack Morris
You know, it's getting to the point that too many people are complaining about "good" players NOT getting in. Why don't we put everybody who was good and had 10 years or more in? I mean, if Carlos Beltran gets in, then someone else who is almost as good as him gets in, and the standard keeps dropping. Let's make all you armchair sports writers and historians happy! Just put in everybody who has 10 plus years and has a decent career in the Hall. It's already watering down the special-ness of the institution. If all these other good players get in, the Hall won't be special at all, anymore. But we gotta keep the fanboys happy right? Can't hear them whine how their favorite player should be in the hall of fame, right?
Personally, I'd prefer guys who peaked higher, but may not have quite the longevity vs those who were never at the top of the sport but were just "good". albert belle being a top hitter in the sport for a solid 7 years, is more worthy imo than someone who was just average-good and just accumulated stats. I think 7+ years of peak performance is enough, less than that isn't enough.
Herscheiser should not be in hall. Garvey is more deserving. If there was a hall for greatest player for one season, then orel would be top of the class. Breaking shut out inning record in a rung trying to get his team into the playoffs was unprecedented. His pitching in post season was amazing.
It feels weird adding carlos beltran to the snubs list when its only year one (of the record of this video). I would consider a snub as s player who was on the ballot for years and made no traction or a one and done player. 40% year one isn't bad and 57% year two shows that he's on a hall of fame projection. Saying hes a snub because hes not a first ballot HOFer makes no sense to me
Jack Glasscock should be in the Hall for his name alone!
Along with Pete LaCock and Dick Pole.
My dad always called the mlb sportswriters “a bunch of jock sniffing, bowtie wearing, picked last in gym class, stuck up nerds”
your dad was being nice about them. No single group of people know less about baseball than the so called BBWAA...
As a Tigers fan I feel like Bill Freehan and Mickey Lolich should be on the next list seeing as that Lou Whitaker's still in the top 10.
It’s criminal that Sweet Lou is not in the hall.
I was gonna say this. Wasn't Lolich 4th or 5th all time in strikeouts when he retired? Freehan was at least(without looking it up) TEN times all-star?
Lou has a higher lifetime WAR than Jeter.
just LOOK at Lolich's stats .... NOT ONE CURRENT MLB pitcher could do what he did... ! NOT ONE !
Joe Carter should've been in the cooperstown was on 2 world series and Dale Murphy great career in Atlanta with the Braves in the 80's put up great years 1980-1987 2 NL Mvp and Dave Parker another great won 2 world series 1 NLMvp .
Dustin Pedroia anybody? The face of the Red Sox after Ortiz retired. Won rookie of the year, AL MVP, silver slugger award, 4 time gold glove award, 4 time all star and 2 time World Series champion with a Lifetime batting average of .299
Delgado is very similar in stats to Fred McGriff and therefore definitely belongs in the Hall of Fame.
McGriff is a champion.
One guy I believe should definitely be in is William Dummy Hoy. He was a great hitter and stole a ton of bases. He was deaf as well and is considered to be the reason that umpires you signals to call balls and strikes
@breadandcircuses8127 Yes he was. He went to Ohio school for the deaf. There is a movie made about his life
For Tommy John, he should have played 3 more mediocre years and hurt his arm enough so he couldn't lift a pencil after retirement to get those 12 wins he needed to get to 300. He might as well had a record of 4 and 8242343524362 to the writers. Just like McGriff.
its the HALL OF FAME and whats more famous then Tommy John surgery
@@mikekinsella2822 Exactly. The writers never seem to add qualitative factors into consideration, only those numbers that have to reach certain milestones, not 3 hits or strikeouts short of the certain milestones. Remember that Jackie goddamn Robinson almost didn't get in his first ballot (though a few no votes were probably due to racism). Larry Doby didn't get elected until 1998.
There should be a fan vote where fans elect 1 player every year who receives the most votes if the writers fail to elect anyone. So players like Curt Schilling or Carlos Beltran don't waste ballot space for 10 years because writers are petty and dumb. If the writers want to submit a blank ballot and write a "journalism" article on why they're so stunning and brave for not voting anyone, fine, but don't punish it for the rest of us. There's no point in even having a hall of fame if there isn't at least someone inducted every year.
Dave Stieb and Carlos Delgado should be HOF players. I am a huge Jays fan. I cried with tears of joy when Doc Halladay got in on 2019. You should make a video about him. We won't see another ace like him for a long time.
Dave Stieb.
Every year amazing competitor.
@@durasaxon5131 As a Yankee fan, I know how good Stieb was. I remember his near perfect game against the Yankees when he was a strike away from the feat. Stieb is the American League version of Orel Hershieser. A great pitcher who falls just short of reaching the HOF.
I've got Roy Halladay autographed rookie card -- make me an offer.......
Doc Halladay was good with a six shooter. It's too bad he had TB.
Delgado maybe but Stieb didn't even come close with career numbers. Sure for the Blue Jays Hall of Fame but not enough for Cooperstown.
Lou Whitaker…
Luis Tiant , Dwight Evans, Dale Murphy and AL Oliver are my top four
Wow. I had never even considered Cone for the HOF. I had no idea he was that good. You made a fantastic case for him
Probably because you didn't see him own your hometown team as often as I did. Mine would be the Mariners. Even in their best times, it seemed like the Yankees pitching staff could frustrate the heck out of them.
Cone shouldn't make it. I see this as a reach for clicks. He was very good but never great for a long period of time. I don't see 300 wins or 3,500 strike outs. Just very good
I remember thinking the same thing about Delgado back when he was killing it. He was awesome.
For real, especially considering he did the bill of his work in essentially a 13 year career. His other 4 seasons saw playing time that doesn’t even equal one season.
tiant also started his career in the mexican leagues--played a long time there before the MLB
David Cone, has a Cy Young and a perfect game, that combo should kinda just bypass the vote.
I think one of the biggest names that your list is missing is Lefty O'Doul. 5th all time for Career batting average .349 .413 on base (32nd all time) and .532 slg (50th all time) ops .945 (27th). Sure it was only an 11 year career, but you know what else he did? He introduced baseball to Japan. The Tokyo Giants are named such because Lefty last played for the New York Giants. No Lefty and we don't have Nomo, Ichiro, or Ohtani
Haven’t seen all three videos but am going to take a shot in the dark; Pitcher Mike Marshall is one that I believe should be in the HOF.
Out of all the players ive watched its Andrew Jones who is my #1 snub. His defense was historically great and his power numbers rank with other HOF players.
I had no idea that
Orel Hershiser wasn't in the Hall of Fame🤯
Same here. I thought I was being trolled there while watching Orels video.
Fred McGriff, great call, retired with the same amount of Homers as Lou Gerhig. Played during the roid era but his skinny frame it was evident he definitely didnt need that. His lanky build and sweet swing was a rhing if beauty
Yeah, idk. Ryan Braun was pretty lean and lanky too.
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I've been emailing numerous writers over the years saying Tommy John belongs there as I did for Jack Morris & Jim Kaat until they got in. Munson definetly needs to get in. He was the backbone of the great 70s Yankee teams. If Belle had his father's personality he would have gotten in. I heard his dad was a well liked coach years ago. Seems numerous players such as Cone aren't in because they had short stints with several teams. Noticed also that some players who spent a good portion of their careers playing for a Canadian or Florida teams teams get overlooked.
Sorry man, but all of those guys fell off the ballot years, if not decades, ago. Emailing writers won’t do you any good because they can’t vote for them anymore.
I must disagree on your comment regarding Munson being a Hall Of Famer. True, he was on the same line as Bench & Fisk during the '70's, however, he didn't play long enough to be inducted. The only player who played fewer seasons & was inducted was old time pitcher Addie Joss, who put up numbers that stand to this day.
Crime Dog and Griffey Jr were my two favorite players growing up.
Sweet lou Whitaker deserves to be in,...
Great case for Tiant and glad you have him on there. Dwight Evans was an elite right fielder, one of the best of all time. Great list
Thanks!
Not to mention Dewey's Arm.He had a cannon!
@@kevmac1230 he sure did. I recently made a video about the best outfield arms I’ve seen and Dewey was one of them 👍
@@signsofthepastime I will check it out.
Evan's was lifetime. 272 hitter with 3 All Star appearances in 20 yrs, and no MVP'S. Not HOF numbers. I'm a huge Dewey fan, but hes not HOF
Hershieser has one of those rare feats that with all his other numbers and awards should , imo, easily push him across the finish line for the hof, he had one of those dominating post seasons where he led his team to a world series victory. Slam dunk. Also Jim Edmonds was an elite player for most of his career and one of the top center fielders of his era , he should be in too.
I’m 51 and a born Bombers fan who grew up 20 minutes from Yankee Stadium. I love too many Yankees legends to count, but I have only ever owned one team jersey my entire life:
15
And that’s the only one I’ll ever own.
#15 💪👍
Orioles fan here:
Thurman Munson, what a great Yankee. A bit before I became a fan, but he was a game-changer, hands down. Hell, I cried watching the UA-cam game in 1979 that was his memorial as it was a very painful thing to watch: 55,000 plus fans, and players all mourning together, shared grief over a true leader, and you could see that with tears everywhere you looked....
Team leader and on the field general, plus he put up with George Steinbrenner, and THAT ALONE should give him first ballot HOF.
I used to say there is a reason why some players do not make the HOF, Munson's snub is arguably one of the most egregious.
Oral Hershiser 100% deserves to be in. He is the player that got me into baseball when I was 8 years old.
My brother...we're not gonna see eye to eye on Beltran (or Altuve or Bregman or my own beloved Blue Jay George Springer). Anyone who intentionally cheats the game (I DO NOT give a damn if it's always been part of the game, it's STILL cheating, and "cheating is cheating, just like, cheating is cheating"), DOES NOT deserve enshrinement with the immortals. Altuve is top 50 all-time in my book, I hope to God he never gets in.
I hope the 46% who voted for Beltran decide have a change of heart, and decide to vote for MLB players, not MLB traitors.
one manager i believe should be in the hof is former pirates manager Danny Murtaugh he won two world series both against hall of fame managers weaver and stengal. his teams owned the nl east and he took his team to the post season almost every year. murtaugh belongs in the hof.
You know, David Cone could literally be the biggest #1 snub. Dude cooked in the late 80s into the 90s! Holy crap!! To the point I actually assumed he was already a HOFer! Jesus Christ
Same with Orel Hershiser. I mean wow.
A 3.34 ERA over that long a career is wicked impressive.
Every morning when I don't brush my teeth, I get the plaque I deserve.
Dwight Evans was really, really good. I didn't personally see him play, as I only started watching baseball in 1995. I don't think he was on the team then. Eight Gold Gloves and 2400 hits? If Rolen got in with only around 2000 hits and also 8 Gold Gloves (albeit at a different position), then Evans should have at least had his time on the ballot!
A lot of people have different opinions on Evans (don't call him Dewey, he hated it.) I grew up watching him in Boston during his prime. He was a very good player, with a great throwing arm, but not A Great One. Guys that played on the same team as him- Rice, Yaz, Fisk & even Perez were Superstars. I'd rank Evans on the same scale as Former teammate as Fred Lynn.
@@marcstevens8576 Sure, he wasn't as good as Yaz, Rice, or Fisk. I didn't grow up watching them. I grew up watching Mo and Nomar, then Ortiz and Manny. So, I never saw him play. But his stats are good, but not as good as the others you named.
Fernando Valenzuela should get in. He had a great career. 2 rings, 1 CY young, ROY,, no-hitter, 6 all star games, 200 wins and perhaps most importantly, paving the way for Hispanic players
With all due respect I think Fernando does belong in the Hall of Fame BUT he did NOT pave the way for Hispanic players. That's not true I dont know where you got that from.
Love your videos! As a Kansas Citian and Royals fan, just wanted to point out that Coney won the Cy Young in 1994 with KC (Cone and Kevin Appier a really underrated 1-2 punch of the era). Agree he had an underratedly great career and needs more Hall consideration. One of the worst trades in Royals history was trading young, Kansas City native and childhood Royals fan David Cone to the Mets for Ed Hearn, and then after getting him back in free agency, we doubled down on it after the Kauffmans (original owners) died and money dried up by sending him to the Blue Jays right after winning the Cy Young for Chris Stynes. Woof.
Dwight Evans had a Hall of Fame moustache.
Paul Konerko,6 All star,World Series,over 400 homeruns. Also the late Bill Freehan.11 All star,5 gold gloves,world series.
KoKo Korneko: How can he not be in the HoF. Because he went out and played the game like it should be played. No theatrics. No 'droids. No flashy defense. Just solid numbers year after year.
You know, I've been liking the content of the channel. It's great. Especially the one where it talks about the 10 players who are clubhouse cancers to teams. Watched it more than once. Recommend a part 2 of the content.
Your knowledge and research are admirable . My issue is that baseball's HoF is exclusive and that's what makes it special . Plus you're on a third top 10 snubbed list so in truth it's now a top 30 list . Will it eventually be a top 50?
Start with Dave Parker. Talk about a stud ! And how about Rocky Colavito. And lastly Dewey Evans. Next to Al Kaline he was the best rightfielder I ever saw. And for the record I'm a lifelong YANKEE fan. On my first game at Fenway in 1975 I saw Evans throw out Roy White TWICE !!! Once going from first to third on a single to right. And a couple of innings later White going from 2nd base to home. And Roy White was a damn good baserunner. That performance alone should have Dwight in Cooperstown. 😂
No Jeff Kent in your top 10? MVP and most HR by a 2nd Basemen of all time?
Wow! He didn’t even mention Dale Murphy, “Donny Baseball” Don Mattingly, or 500+ home run hitter Gary Sheffield. My top 5 snubs are:
#5. Tommy John
#4. Orel Hershiser
#3. Dale Murphy
#2. Don Mattingly
#1. Gary Sheffield
I met Belle. He was a real a-hole towards me and other fans... LITERALLY snubbing US! So I completely disagree with him being in the HOF. I'm writing this after you mentioned Munson, that I agree fully with the rest, so far.
Update: I absolutely agree with the other two. Belle and his attitude even with his fans the only exception.
the problem with belle isn't his numbers it's his attitude he was a cancer on every team he was on that's why he isn't in.
Carlos Beltrán, is a cheater...PERIOD! The Commissioner's Trophy for the 2017 World Series "win", should, at the very least, have been stripped away from the Astros, and everyone involved be immediately "banned" from Baseball...forever.
"The Hall of Fame asks voters to decide based on a player’s record, ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character and team contributions."
Classic cases of writers, who never or couldn’t play, holding the power of who gets in or not, and if there was a player who didn’t get along with the writers he was guaranteed not to get in.
Diehard Cub fan here, Mark Grace. Most hits in the 90's, consistently hit above .300, All Star and Solid Glove at 1st.
Don't forget, it was Grace who started that BIG comeback for the Diamondbacks in the 2001 world series. Grace got MORE hits and Doubles in the 90's.
I'm a Cubs fan myself. Grace not being in is ridiculous. Like you said he had the most hits of the 90s. A time when everybody was Juiced out of their minds. And he got more hits than all of them. A multiple time Gold Glove winner. His war is 46.4 I believe. And a career .383 OBP.
I wish Albert Belle never came to the Orioles.
That was a bad Free Agent move.
My beloved Orioles did sign some winners.... Glenn Davis, Albert Belle, Fernando,
Carlos delgado hit at least 30 homeruns in 11 seasons & drove in more runs than the Mick?!?! R u f'n kidding me? Get your heads out of your collective asses!
I agree on all your assessments & its hard to fathom that theres 20 players even better than these... thank goodness Crime Dog & scott Rolen finally got some overdue hall of fame love.
Hershiser absolutely should have been the 1988 MVP. Gibson was one of the weakest MVP's of his era.
How in the world is Orel not in the Hall? He was dominant, and I mean dominant for at least a decade. He broke the scoreless inning streak, a record that was thought unbreakable at the time. Probably because he is an outspoken Christian. Jack Morris isn't even in the same category as Hershiser.
I don't think there is any player not in the HOF now that deserves to be there. Fact is there are about 25 players AT LEAST that are in that should not be. The HOF should have a higher bar then it currently has and if there is even the slightest bit of doubt if a player should be in or not then I say he is OUT.
Carlos Beltran had the sweetest swing, so fluent....
It's a crime that Munson is not in the Hall. I did a video called Catcher X for the Hall that compared an unnamed catcher (Munson) to a player that I think will go right in to the Hall (Buster Posey). Very similar careers but munson was a bit better including number of games caught (for those thinking he didn't play long enough). Stop the madness I say!
Beltran is a top 10 post season performer as well...everyday player not including pitchers...
This is a fantastic channel
Darrell Evans and HoJo belong in the Hall. The voters don't like Evans' batting average, but he's 13th all time in walks. Plus he's got 400+ HR's in a non-PED era. HoJo's got similar numbers to Jackie Robinson as well as being the only switch-hitter in MLB history with multiple 30/30 Clubs, which he had 3 of within 5 years. Plus he's got 2 rings with 2 different teams.
Darrell Evans really deserves more love. Even with modern assessment, he had a career WAR close to 60. He was a serious threat for pretty much his entire career. The Tigers of the '80s had a few guys guys who history has underappreciated. Evans, Lou Whittaker...
I'll say it until forever.......the HOF is an absolute JOKE without the all-time hits leader.
@Soxruleyanksdrool Rose is one that is keeping Rose out. Google how many deals he botched that would allow him to get in. Best deal would have paid off his gambling debts, kept him out of prison, and eventually allowed him in. His constant lies hurt him as well. Widely known even during the 70's he was a heavy gambler. Rose also signed the agreement banning him forever. Rose thought he was bigger than baseball. And I like Rose as a player. It is not just one thing keeping him out. But the one thing they all have in common is Rose is at center of them. Other players former and current tried helping him get in. And he spit in their faces.
@charlesdoyle3630 Yes, but if the HOF already has steroid users as members (some say Ivan Rodriguez, Bagwell, and Raines are. I personally don't know because I wasn't there.) then they don't care enough to keep rule breakers out and should tear up any agreement with Rose and let him in. I have also heard that they are waiting until after he dies to just let him in without him being there. But that would be very petty on MLBs part. I'm not excusing Rose or anyone else. I just don't think it's fair that MLB gets to turn a blind eye to steroid use because of the McGwire/Bonds/Sosa HR races bringing in all those ratings, but when it suits them, they go after Pete Rose for gambling. Go after every known rule breaker or let them all walk. The rules should be enforced fairly for all. Just my .02 cents.
Watching your videos pisses me off! The BB HOF is a joke! I have no desire to visit the HOF anytime soon.
I Love it .
Beltran is not a HOF imo
Delgado ehhh.
I’m not all for just BIG HR #’s during Powerball era
It was a great career for both but idk about HOF .
The ones I really Love and agree with are the old timers You dig up from 1800’s & real early 1900’s .
They should be in and it’s super cool to see them getting Love from anyone
Good looks Brotha .
Coney was a Great SP and I can definitely see Him being worthy
Orel not being in is just ridiculous
Doc should be in just for His 1st 5 years alone they were so amazing
Then He ended up coming back and giving a decent finally to His career
Pitching a No/No and Winning another
WS Ring 🏆 💍
It's a joy to listen to someone who understands the game and those who played it...
I think you could make a great argument for George Foster to be in the HOF. The 1977 season he had was ridiculous, hitting 52 homers and driving in 149, winning the MVP. Really important part of the big red machine.
I love that bit of throttle of
excitement in your voice
with a touch of distain
over those who have not
made the HALL.
As a Yankees fan I truly
would hope Thurman Munson
would be in the Hall of Fame.
Also,
immense respect for
Dwight Evans.
Orel Hershiser?
Tommy John?
Luis Tiant?
Absolutely!!
Most of your selections
have credentials.
Now why isn't Albert Belle
in the Hall of Fame? ty
I'm binging -
Very enjoyable! ✅
Wainwright may be in the list one day, those injuries he had each time he had a 20 win season really did a number to what his stats could have been. Even then a case can be made especially if he gets past 200 wins.
If I recall correctly, Cone got screwed by poor run support often, leaving him with a mediocre W-L ratio.
Happy to see you mention the 19th Century players. So many people simply pass over them these days.
For me, Tommy John. He missed many years and still won nearly 300 games.
Don Mattingly. Before injuries, he was arguably the best player in the AL for a 5 year span.
Omar Vizquel. Way better offensively than Ozzie and almost as many gold gloves.
Belle's the kinda guy that would start a fight on his induction day.
Dewey also had a great batting stance
Glad to see Dewey getting some love! I could not agree more, he is a HUGE snub. And from watching this, I never realized how deserving Carlos Delgado is for the Hall. What a shame these two aren't in.
Dewy dewy dewy dewy!
Have you ever thought of Tom Henke on your list of snubs
Mini top 5 of players you’ve yet to talk about in this series that I think are snubs
Bill Dahlen: 20 year career before WW1
Graig Nettles: Advanced Statistics Darling, and at a position in need of more representation in Cooperstown.
Ken Boyer: For example! This guy is an 11 time all star, 5 time gold Glover, and won an MVP, yet he has no plaque? What’s the BBWAA’s beef with 3rd Baseman? Him, Sal Bando, Graig Nettles, Dick Allen, and Buddy Bell are all huge snubs, and all at the same position!
Dave Steib: He is both the best starting pitcher of the 80s, and the single greatest Blue Jay in franchise history, yet he’s not in the Hall!
Bobby Abreu: I will die fighting to get him in, I don’t care. Nearly batted for a career .300 .400 .500 during the Steroid Era while being clean. He’s 20th on the all time walk list and also stole 400 bags. Hall of Famer, without question.
3B is the most under-represented fielding position in Cooperstown by a country mile. IIRC, Mike Schmitt was only the tenth 3B elected, and his career came after all those guys you mentioned.
I just saw this current top 10 video, of your's .... I would like to add my 3 former ball players to you, list. 2 every day guys & 1 pitcher, they are 1 } Craig Nettles, 2 } Steve Garvey, & 3 } Jerry Koosman. growing up in New Jersey Yankees & Mets are still at the top of my list. Plus I was a major Padres fan back in 1984 ...........
Bill Buckner, Vada Pinson, how can they not be in? Rusty Staub, very, very underrated.
It is time to rethink pitchers from the 80's and 90's who didn't get 300 wins. Guys like Stewart and Viola dominated and never really got a fair shake at the HOF.
Mario Soto
Valenzuela?
If David Cone is HOF caliber well then so is Fernando Valenzuela. There will never be another fernandomania. Growing up a kid in the 80s in Los Angeles Fernandomania took the city bye storm. I agree he doesn't have 300 wins l believe he has 179 but the impact he made to the game of baseball and to the city will never be matched especially after the Dodgers finally beat those dam Yankees in 1981 after loosing back to back in 1977 and 1978 to the Yanks without him and not to mention not only did the Dodgers beat the Yankees in 1981 but Fernando won the CY young award and rookie of the year he had career 2074 strikeouts 1 Gold Glove award, , 2 Silver Slugger awards and 7 all star appearances.
Carlos Beltran was one of my favorite players to watch growing up. His career is definitely HOF worthy. It's a shame what he was involved in though. I was honestly about to go on a rant about you defending Beltran until you mentioned the part where everyone was doing it and this was in his final season of his MLB career. And the mere fact that Cora and Hinch still have a job is saying something about "consistency".
For David Cone, aside from all the stats you mentioned, he was one of the true big game pitchers in the playoffs. There is no denying it.
Appreciate you giving respect to Orel Hershiser. It's a shame that his run of pitching dominance didn't last long due to injuries and lack of run support in LA.
How Carlos Delgado made only 2 All star teams was surprising.
You hit the nail on the head for Thurman Munson. His HR numbers aren't great, but he was the main force in the Yankees' 70s titles.
And Dwight Evans, 3x All Star, 8x Gold Glove award. People today quickly forget the cannon of an arm he had in right field. 385 home runs, nearly 2,500 hits, and his longevity was highly impressive.
What's crazy is how only the Puerto Rican and Hispanic players got introuble for the Astros cheating and the American players didn't get disciplined at all,Belrtan was the the person they blamed he wasn't even there long enough....He fasho is a hall of Fame players but what's the hall with out the best players?
@jasonrodriguez8569 he brought the system from a previous team and expanded on it. Astros had no system until Beltran arrived. But if it really helped so much why are there away numbers better?
As an Astros and Beltran fan, I say it is so much worse that he was the veteran on that team. Veterans are there to make sure stuff like that didn’t happen, not to take part of it, much less be a ringleader. I can’t support him getting in.
Let’s keep in mind Beltran wasn’t just involved in the cheating scandal. He was the one who started it here in Houston. He brought it from New York. He was adamant about using the system. So really in all actuality, he was probably cheating for many years seeing that the Yankees were doing it and he brought that system here.
even worse, the ws should have been given to the dodgers.
How about Jeff Kent? Career .290/.356/.500 and 377 homers for a second baseman is pretty special.
I agree with Fred McGriff, even without 500 HR's , dude was a beast, should have been in the Hall...
Another banger of a mini docu by Erik.
Okay so just listen me out on this ball player which i think at the very least deserves discussion regarding his HOF case.
"Johnny Damon".
Well over 2500 big league games if you count playoff games too (which ofcourse should be counted and he performed pretty well in them too).
2769 hits (over 500 doubles).
.284 BA.
Above .350 OBP.
Over 400 stolen bags.
Career .988 fielding percentage with a good amount played in CF.
Multiple WS rings.
Longevity wise he was durable and dependable, making every team he was a part of better with his presence.
Not saying he was a super star and it is unbelievable he is not in the Hall, but cmon at the very least his stats deserve a look.
No Dave Stieb? I'd argue Stieb was better than Herscheiser and obviously better than other pitchers in the HOF (Morris, for starters). He was punished by playing in Toronto, more or less.
I'd even say he has a better case than Cone. (And FWIW, yes, I thought this BEFORE the Secret Base video series)
Craig Nettles, where is he on your list?
766th.
Great show hummer!!!! Highly recommed!! I've been in despair again on account of the "extinct" centerfielder. Going the way of the knuckleballer, like he's an anomally, A mysterious extinct prehistoric ceature from lore. If Willie Mays were a young prospect today, he'd be forced to gain 25 pounds and play right field, he'd never steal, bunt, tag when dangerous. It would seem having five tools leads to injuries, so this player gets avoided in favor of big homer hitting thugs with far less D and OBP like its a home run derby now, not the game I played..
Don Mattingly .307 BA and 9 gold gloves
What abt Alfonso Soriano
I literally could write a book about what a joke the BBWAA and committees are. Rolen's numbers aren't as good as Mattingly's and Mattingly isn't in. Dave Parker, Bill Buckner, Dale Murphy, Omar Vasquez, Kenny Loftin, Will Clark, I could go on and on and on should be in. Maybe Al Oliver, Mickey Lolich, Ritchie Allen, Steve Garvey, Orel Hershiser, Albert Belle, Dave Kingman, DelGado. Shit it's endless.
Another list that's loaded with 80s players, which is already overloaded in the Hall of Fame with Hall of Very Good players.. But of course, you can't do youtube videos of players who have no videos of them. Seriously, do more research of players from the 50s, 40s, 30s, and 20s who are not in the Hall of Fame.
I like to make a case for Willie McGee. He doesn't have the home runs a lot of outfielders have, but he does have:
1984 MVP
4x All-Star
3 Gold Gloves
1 Silver Slugger
4 World Series, 1 win
2 NL Batting Titles during Tony Gwynn's prime
Over 2200 hits with 350 stolen bases
Not a bad resumé for a guy most people think of as a role player just because he was quiet and didn't have many homers, but he did have lots of doubles, triples, and stolen bases. Compare him to guys like Scott Rolen, Alan Trammell, Bill Mazeroski...
I am moving close to Cooperstown soon. I went to visit the baseball hall of fame and noticed many items and stats they have for Fernando Valenzuela. I remember in the ‘80s he was a huge star. Yet he’s not in the hall of fame. They certainly love him, but not enshrined. For his run as a Dodger I think he should be in just like Orel Hershiser. What do you guys think? I know once he left L. A., he wasn’t the same. I myself stopped watching baseball in the ‘90s as I became a hockey fan after that and focused on that, but I remember him being huge in baseball and him not being in baffles me.
They should both be in
Hey Hum baby, I got a list of guys that should be in the HOF, vida blue, Dwight Gooden, Jeff Reardon, John Olrud, Steve Finley, Andres Gallerrala, Garrett Anderson, Lance Perkman, Charlie Hough, Johan Santana, Jimmy Rollins, Torii Hunter, Jose Mesa, John Franco, Darryl Strawberry
I've never been to Cooperstown but it would be cool if these SNUBBED guys were in an interactive room at the HOF where you could walk around the perimeter, plug in your head set you bought with admittance, and listen to the bio and arguments for whatever featured players and then have an annual selection where at least 1 guy was selected by the fans. In a time where we the people can't even have the president or governors we vote for cause the federal government and elites have plans to enslave us, can we at least vote on one guy for the HOF or should we just support Pete Rose efforts, the ultimate snub of snubs? Love that guy
David Cone should have had more than 200 wins, but he was stuck on some mediocre team for the first half of his career. In 1991 he went 14-14 with a 3.29 ERA but a FIP of 2.52.
BWA members who coldn't draw a curve, much less hit one. HOA is a popularity contest.
Dave Concepcion (JAWS - 58 ) who always gets snubbed by being compared to Ozzie Smith.
But, he had better batting stats overall in his career and way bertter in the post season. And with the glove he was silk. Let AI pick HOF worthy players, and take the bozos out of it.
Go figure.
Dwight Evan's is NOT a hall of famer. He was a excellent player but NOT a hall of famer. The guy who did this video must be his friend. I was waiting for him to say "Evan's hit the first pitch of the 1987 season for a home run and that should put him in the Hall!"
I really like your logic with the guys who didn’t use PEDs during the steroid era. If the Hall is gonna keep out the juicers, then surely top players who didn’t, like Delgado, deserve to be in
There were NO guys playing in the PED era that didn't use PEDS. EVERYONE USED them cause if you didn't you couldn't compete. Just because a lot of guys didn't have to take the brunt of the PED blame for that era( BONDS SOSA MAC CLEMENS SHEFFIELD BELLE ect ect ) don't mean they wasn't useing. NOBODY will ever convince me Ricky Henderson Robbie Alomar Ivan Rod Barry Larkin were not on roids yet they got in and we know BIG POOPIE David Ortiz was on the Michell report list yet got in 1st ballot. Its a popularity contest
I like the work you do, especially bringing up the greatest snubs of all-time, early stars like Barnes & Glasscock, who played decades before the HOF was erected. I'd encourage you to not lean so heavy on WAR and JAWS. Most of your snubs are now Era Committee fodder, and those committees are comprised mostly of old players who generally take a dim view of analytics, because they are aware of a truth that the Sabermetrics community are hopelessly blind to: that it is entirely impossible, because baseball is a game of countless intangibles that cannot be quantified by some equation, to create a system of any kind to judge the overall worth of a player.
Well all I can say about the HOF nominators is that it took them FOREVER to realize the contributions of Gill Hodges both as a player with some of the greatest Dodger teams of the 1950's but the guy who took the prior worst franchise in baseball to the World Series Championship . So I don't give then a lot of credit for their picks.
You've forgotten the biggest HoF robbery of them all...... How about a player with a 21 year career with-
Career .272 BA
over 2700 hits
400 Stolen bases and ...
WON 11 Gold Gloves at SS.....
???? isn't THAT a HoF career...?
Drive me nuts when they snug people over character like Albert Belle and yet they let someone like Jack Morris in the Hall of Fame. You'd be hard-pressed to find a person with less class than Jack Morris
You know, it's getting to the point that too many people are complaining about "good" players NOT getting in. Why don't we put everybody who was good and had 10 years or more in? I mean, if Carlos Beltran gets in, then someone else who is almost as good as him gets in, and the standard keeps dropping. Let's make all you armchair sports writers and historians happy! Just put in everybody who has 10 plus years and has a decent career in the Hall. It's already watering down the special-ness of the institution. If all these other good players get in, the Hall won't be special at all, anymore. But we gotta keep the fanboys happy right? Can't hear them whine how their favorite player should be in the hall of fame, right?
Personally, I'd prefer guys who peaked higher, but may not have quite the longevity vs those who were never at the top of the sport but were just "good". albert belle being a top hitter in the sport for a solid 7 years, is more worthy imo than someone who was just average-good and just accumulated stats. I think 7+ years of peak performance is enough, less than that isn't enough.
Herscheiser should not be in hall. Garvey is more deserving. If there was a hall for greatest player for one season, then orel would be top of the class. Breaking shut out inning record in a rung trying to get his team into the playoffs was unprecedented. His pitching in post season was amazing.
It feels weird adding carlos beltran to the snubs list when its only year one (of the record of this video). I would consider a snub as s player who was on the ballot for years and made no traction or a one and done player. 40% year one isn't bad and 57% year two shows that he's on a hall of fame projection. Saying hes a snub because hes not a first ballot HOFer makes no sense to me