Inside The Orville | TWICE IN A LIFETIME + Full Knoxville Scene & Sneak Peek
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I love that they let Mark Jackson out of the Isaac suit again. He is so adorkable!
Looked like we got a new crew member in episode one too.
@@nolan412 yes, Charley Burke. She took John's place as navigator after John got promoted to chief engineer.
@@ecclestonsangel You didn't notice who was at the table with her when everyone got up and left Isaac hanging.
@@nolan412 how you going to leave us hanging like that lol who?
Mark Jackson IS attractive, what a shame he is all covered up. But then again, he has great voice and body acting skills.
I felt like Mercer and Grayson were huge hypocrites in this episode. Last week they were willing to break rules and start a war for Topa's happiness but this week they were all by the book rules are rules and willingly erased a family from existence when it appeared nothing bad happened with Malloy living in the 21st and living a happy life with the family he made because the Orville never came to rescue him.
keep in mind, the Admiral said if they wavered off course again, even the slightest, that the Admiral would basically have their butts.
Agreed.
@@scottlyttle5586 And apparently Claire was willing to sacrifice her life long career for Topa but Ed wasn't willing to do so for his best friend. I lost a HUGE amount of respect for Ed and Kelly on this one
Messing with time is nowhere near strategically evading a rule for Topa.
In all fairness, one is an unjust rule based on little more than prejudice, and the other is a rule that, much like the prime directive, probably exists for a very good reason.
Here's my prediction: Later on in the Season we're going to see something happen similar to in Season 2 where the timeline changes because Gordon didn't stay in the 21st century. The crew will discover that 2025 Gordon was right in that him having 2 kids in the past lead to his family line creating the Planetary Union, so they find a way to send him back in time again to return to Laura. And at the end of this episode, the sandwich that Gordon sent forward 3 months will arrive in front of the rest of the crew and they'll have a good laugh about it.
....oh man......no.....knowing this crew.....if that were to happen, the sandwich would show up at the last possible second of the episode, and the shot will linger, all sad, because gordon wont be coming back to enjoy it....
Personally I believe they've either split the timeline as discussed with the sandwich so a whole new universe, or the older Gordon still somehow remained in the past - it also looked like Gordon got split so it's possible there are a few of him across time
Like a dysodium(?) shortage.
HA HA, brilliant prediction ! Love it.
@@jameshetherington1 I buy that possibility.
This show will only gain more traction and popularity as time goes on. There is appitite for it and persistence is the key to it's long term success.
What's so awesome about this episode is I can't remember another series that questioned the value of an "alternate" timeline in such a meaningful way. In other time travel stories, it often feels like a victory has been won once the prime timeline has been restored. This episode gives a poignant view into the other side of that equation.
Orville came back with some hard swings this season. Every episode has been fantastic, with a few shining even above that.
I really hope the sandwich shows back up at the worst moment possible
Lol same
Or that it will show up in a way that saves the situation, whether how it's even possible, for the situation to be saved by Sandwich lmao.
let's just hope it doesn't show up with a bowl of petunias.
Looking forward to that!
Awesome episode! :) And I love that they're quite longer than in previous seasons. It gives the stories so much more room to breathe and grow, that it's an entirely different experience.
Jeeezus. Im binge watching this after discovering it a few days ago. This show is freaking AMAZING..
This and A Tale of Two Topas is a breath of fresh air after mortality paradox and gently falling rain.
Technically, pay-per-view does mean ala carte. You are buying the individual item by itself and not part of a package or entree.
Seths orchestra has been kicking ass. Segue scenes are a treat to listen to. Its bigger than Spielberg films but in a tv show
I love this show!
One of the best episodes of the entire series.
That sandwich has got to reappear in three months. I need this to happen in an episode. :D I keep wondering if we're going to see Laura and the son and baby / baby-to-be again, and possibly the version of Gordon that stays with them. How are they key to that timeline? Does Gordon's son or the baby do something as adults? Does a later descendant do something vital? If they don't exist in the new timeline, then what else happens instead? Are BOTH timelines needed? Which one is "right" for the original version of the Orville? Or is each version, and each resulting Orville, necessary for their timelines? Oh, temporal paradoxes / theory can give you a headache. -- I need something besides coffee in that nebula to resolve it! :D I love the Orville. This is good stufff. -- And the kid, with his subtle accent, did a good job. Just think, he might be a future star. Meanwhile, I hope we'll get to see him again. Might get to see Laura again? So great how the Orville points out the puzzling parts of all this and then is willing to explore things.
I definitely need to see the sandwich again!
Is anyone going to talk about the obvious temporal paradox that was created and left unresolved?
In the message that Gordon sends from the past he clearly states he has been in 2015 for 6 months, yet when the crew jump back in time for the second time to find him before he finds Laura, Lamar states they arrived 1 month after Gordon did... roughly 5 months before Gordon could send his original message containing his temporal coordinates.
How did the Orville receive a message that Gordon could not have sent?
This is either a pretty big plot hole or the makings of something else that will pay off in a later episode.
The one thing I have noticed about all of Seth's shows, is the attention to detail of even the smallest thing.
I think your observation has some merit - let's see what happens!
With temporal coordinates referring to a position in time, it's safe to say that if they knew Gordon had been there for 6 months at the time of sending, then the ship could arrive to retrieve him at any point in time within that 6 months without issue.
@@kombuchamooch That was my take as well. They simply went back to a time before Gordon sent the message. From Gordon's POV they rescued him before he sent the message.
They deliberately mentioned that one month timeline. No idea what theyre planning with it in the future if at all.
@@BrianLarney But the message is how the crew knew when and where Gordon was... so by picking him up 5 months before he was supposed to send the message, they created a paradox since without that message there would be no way they would know which time and place to go and find him. They erased the events in Gordon's life that happened during those 5 months leading up to him sending the distress call, including the event of sending the distress call. So if they rescued Gordon before he was supposed to send the distress call (meaning there is no way Gordon could have sent it) then who sent it?
The sandwich callback will be epic!!
I can't wait for that sandwich, I'm sure it will come in the weirdest time too. Like his leg! 🤣🤣🤣
Next episode maybe?
@@mjsoukup the longer the wait the funnier it will be 🤣🤣
I'd be fine with it in the season finale. It shows up at a critical moment in a battle and changes the course of the future. The title of the last episode is Future Unknown, sooo perhaps due to the sandwich? 🤷♂️😁
It would be awesome if that sandwich came back with a bite out of it 😆
LMAO 🚀
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I really enjoyed this episode, but what bothered me was the whole "we can't impact the timeline" idea. When they found out that Gordon was in the past, they had his obiturary up, which included text about his "wife and son"...so his living in the past was part of their timeline, as was his having a family. They altered the timeline by removing him from the past. Gordon asks Ed after saying that humans are social creatures, "Was I supposed to die?" and Ed responds, "To protect the timeline, Yes", then a few minutes later he says, "without knowing [the impact of time travel], we can't interfere", but again, the timeline as they know it already has Gordon living and dieing in the past, so that shouldn't be a concern.
I think he was saying since time travel is extremely finicky, they don't want to risk destabilizing the timeline even further than they already have.
Actually what Isaac described was that even though they could see the past of Gordon, it was not yet set and didn't know the consequences as they would set later. It is odd, but again so is time travel
@@GabrielRullan I just don't agree with that logic. They can see the past, so this whole idea that the present isn't set is just a MacGuffin.
@@EricZierdt Could easily be explained away by saying they are strictly following protocol and that they have no freaking clue on whats going to happen at all. They seem just as confused as we are to be honest lol. I think thats the message they were going for.
But I see Laura making another appearance in some way. That relationship is too strong now.
We're going to re-visit this story again later, I feel like the discussion of the sandwich paradox was foreshadowing. This won't be quite to the level of Tasha Yar going back with Enterprise B, but it'll be in that direction...
It’s a bummer we won’t get a 4th season. This is so good compared to all the crap we see nowadays.
So they travel 99.99999% the speed of light for 4 minutes and reach that star. Right!
I wish it was that easy.
This reminds me of what the character jay garrick in the flash said to barry, you change time you fracture it, try to put it together and it will not be the same, with every change to the timeline and then restoring it to normal will always bring some form of consequences, like for instance in season 1 the orville was meant to be destroyed in the gravity field or something but was saved by the woman from the future, since she said nothing about the kaylon threat it probably never happened, but for the orville to now live, it probably created the threat of the kaylon, not sure cause any change will cause a fracture to it even if its restored, its not the complete same there will , in season 2 with kelly she changed the timeline when she went back to her time, kaylon threat still happened cause the orville and its original crew didnt get destroyed in that gravity field, had it did maybe the kaylon threat would not happen in that timeline, but they needed to restore the original timeline she changed cause of her decision and the memory wipe not working properly, even with it restored, we have yet to see what consequences come from it being restored, but now with gordans change of the past cause of being involved with it, there is no telling what slight change the future might have even if restored, time can never truly be completely restored to what it was, there will always be some small minimal change, but with gordan being so far in the past, there might be something they have not seen yet that with how long that timeline had existed, that it might have made something either good or bad happen.
"From Unknown Graves": Hmmm...Something about the Kaylons' creators and the big unrevealed secret they hold (similar to TNG's "The Chase") 😉
One thing does bother me: Gordon, anyone arriving in the past, could not ever entirely avoid interacting and thereby altering the past in some way. Just to exist, you'd have to eat and drink, live somewhere, unavoidable contact even if you are minimizing it. The alternative to remove oneself (disintegration or other) also is unacceptable. If prevented or rescued within the timeline, then there's also interaction. So there's no real way to win the scenario once it happens. -- Given that, making it a crime to interact with people and events in a time travel paradox is not necessary justifiable. I mean, for some things, sure, it should be a crime For others, probably unavoidable and so not a crime. Or else events don't merit it being a crime. -- I don't know exactly, but if you think it through, there's no way, practically, that just arriving and being there, or doing the minimal amount, avoids some interaction and so alters things some or a lot. But the whole issue of time travel has possibilities worth considering for the implications of what can be possible and how to deal with things. Both the moral/ethical human issues and the practical problems of new items introduced.
Even if you killed yourself the body being discovered would change things.
if you assume a deterministic universe (fated) then any time travelling Shenanigans are also built into it making the idea of paradox's moot... though it also means existence as we know it is running on rails where every choice is predetermined and free will is nothing but an illusion.
@@johntowers1213 predetermination doesn't appear to be what the writers are going for in the Orville universe, though (as evidenced through the whole Kelly debacle).
@Ben W I believe the laws are there to limit the damage - but acknowledge that their existence in the past is potentially harmful. Hence, the rule that says they need to live outside of society and to minimize contact as much as possible. The crime part comes in when a union officer knowingly and flagrantly disobeys that law, citing Gordon's case as an extreme example. A minimal infraction would have been to just live amongst the people of that timeline, where anything you tell someone could cause a butterfly effect that could have disastrous results further down the timeline. The chance of that happening is much more slim than having two children who should have never existed. Every breath they take is as dangerous as the time traveler themselves to the stability of the known future.
The part that I personally don't understand is Ed's reasoning for not allowing Gordon to take his family into the future with him. At least in the future, their effect on it is moot since it is not a predetermined universe they live in. Would their own futures beyond that day change due to the kid's existence on the Orville? Sure. But that wouldn't be an issue because no one knows exactly how.
@@laneswerve It's complicated. Taking his whole family also means taking Laura, who would've had a certain life, interacted with many others, singing, inspiring someone to become a musician, etc. Taking only the kids would leave Laura heartbroken because she would've just lost all her family. Her life would become far from what it would've been without meeting Gordon.
In 2025 Johnny Knoxville is going to come out with this new series.
How can I get alerted or notified when talking the Orville will have another live video?
How the hell did they give "Isaac" a face and a mouth? What kind of crazy plot device justified that?
I wish someone would explain to Charlie that Isaac played no active part or betrayal in the war with Kaylon, and in fact did heroically set off an EMP burst in the ship, releasing the crew and giving the Orville a fighting chance.
My sentiments too. I mean I feel like he broke his own programming in order to save the crew of the Orville. Everyone seems to be blaming him for the disaster, but at end of Episode Identity part 2 when Ed, Kelly and the admiral are discussing Issac’s faith, Kelly said: If not Issac, it would’ve been another keylon. Because of Issac they’re are still alive and have a good chance of being able to fight and win future invasions.
Not even seen it yet, here in the UK, but from the clips I’ve seen I’d really like her to be replaced
@@enkisdaughter4795 I'm not a huge fan of her either. Especially how she tells Gordon to basically live in his hate. Like - ok negative nancy, let's all just turn into specist (or is it racist? considering the human "race"), intolerant asshats and blame everyone else for your inability to tell your friend NO and force them to get onto the emergency shuttle.
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The writers seem to like her. And shes not a bad actress. They have plans and it most likely involves some kind of forgiving arc.
I get the impression Charlie was in a stage of grief where no one was going to be able to rationally discuss this.
The Aranoff Device... aka the banana ray... was destroyed when the Krill took it by force and the crew put a seed on it and it grew a redwood in the Krill ship destroying it. I wonder if the Orville salvaged it or built a new one altogether.
The Aranoff device returned in the last 2 episodes of series 2
They said it'd be possible to rebuild it if they took the time, so I can't imagine it being gone forever.
Bring back your old school "gimme all your money" theme at the end! Why did you ditch it?
Season 4: The Orville: Adventures in the sandwich universe.
When are you going live JP?
Trying to arrange that with my family. We have some family matters to take care of this afternoon but then I'm wanting to go live once we get back home today. I'm hoping for 2 or 3pm pst. But I don't want to schedule it until I get back home just in case we don't get back in time. But I'm wanting to go live today. :)
Didn’t kelly technically break the rules when an alternate time line was made because kelly did not go on a second date with Ed. I know it was fixed but i still happened.
2:26 No, Charly had plenty of chances to her friend how she felt, she just never took the opportunity to do it. Thats not Isaacs fault.
Her missing the opportunity to tell someone she loved is indeed on her, but cutting a person's life short was not hers either... because of Isaac, whether under the influence or not, caused not just her...but many many people's lives to be lost. I get we like Isaac here and wanna defend him over a newcomer, but it's not just about her lost love... it's all of it and you know it.
@@MedalionDS9 I do agree with you for most part. However I personally do not blame Issac as he’s an artificial life form programmed and sent by his beings to hatter info on the humans. In order to save the crew of The Orville he broke his programming. At end of “ Identity “part 2 episode when the Admiral, Ed and Kelly were discussing Issac’s faith Kelly herself said: If not Issac, it would’ve been another keylon. In this case the Union and The Orville got saved by Issac. He was not in charge and tried numerous times to stop the Primary from killing the crew. I can understand Charlie’s anger, but I do hope they’ll have an episode where she comes to understand what Issac did and as a result he’s truly alone too.
@@BassDuchess If you break down the argument to its core components, logically yes... it's not Isaac's fault directly... but we humans are emotional creatures when it comes to people we care about... if they are harmed... we don't rationalize it... we go by our gut reaction... and that is not always logical. ANd yes, I think Charly and Isaac will get some progress... potentially even in the next episode I hear.
Im more wondering is did that kaylon say he wants to coexist
Did they ever give Ed's reasoning for not allowing Gordon to bring his family to the future with them? I can see why they couldn't be left to live in the past, but the future is yet to be written so I would imagine their existence would have some sort of effect but it wouldn't be discernable
I had to rewatch the scene when he shoots the device. He splits into into about 5 people. I wonder if anything will come of that 🤔
Yeah me too 😂😂😂👏👏👏
Maybe there is a really angry Gordon out there who is pissed he is never rescued from wherever he ended up, and we will get an Evil Gordon in a future season. 😆
@@suburbanpreppermom
Riker vibes lol
@@DmanDice I thought of Riker too!
@@suburbanpreppermom
Well lets hope Seth keeps this show up long enough for that possibility.
going to a star 200 Light Years away in a few minutes at the speed of Light is off by 200 years
no they still went faster than the speed of light just without the shielding causing rapid time dilation
4:42 Is this the game or real actual video of the sets?
If time travel was real any interaction with the past would divert the timeline into a new path. Thus, it should be that the Orville drops back in time to "10 years later" Gordon, then goes back to 'a month later' Gordon, but this leaves the Orville in a subtly-different timeline from the one it had been on (and '10 year later' Gordon living happily ever after). Then when the Orville STLs their way back to the 24th century they find that they are in a timeline in which the details of history are subtly different from the one they have been in, no one they knew from their previous lives actually exists in this new timeline, but everything is mostly familiar....and the 'nearly-the-same-Union' has not yet been attacked by the Kaylon.... (Eventually, after several adventures, the super-duper-advanced folks from that world with the weird time speeding-up sends the Orville back to its original timeline - and deal with the Kaylon.)
Of course, if they were in the same timeline, and depending on how long the Kaylons were around, The Orville could have gone to Kaylon 1 and perhaps done something to prevent the existing war.. although..that would have potentially caused Isaac to never join the team.. Man, I hate temporal mechanics..
I wonder when and why Issac killed Amanda. I guess I missed that episode.
i was kind of hoping that that full scene existed, as some kind of two and a half men parody....
watched the first season on sky tv but WE! all can't afford to PAY FOR HULU OR AMAZON PRIME...IT'S SHAMEFUL PUTTING IT ON A BLOODY PAY CHANNEL....DONT YOU HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN YOUR POCKETS ????
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Fox, who originally picked the show up for production on their network, has a history of cancelling TV shows prematurely. It happened to Firefly, Lie to Me, Lucifer and a whole host of other TV shows that deserved to continue. The Orville was not immune to this. Fox cancelled it, and when Seth put out feelers looking for another network to pick the show up, Hulu offered a deal and Seth took it. If it weren't for Hulu we wouldn't even have this season, or we would have had to wait longer for it to release as Seth would have been in more talks with other networks to hash out a deal.
Besides, although I'm not a fan of the current landscape of fragmented streaming services I'm far less a fan of old cable channel bundling that leaves the customer paying for 60+ channels in a basic package, for which only 3ish are of any interest to them and they still need to be on the couch at a specific time, on a specific day/night to catch their favourite show and STILL have to watch commercials. The fragmentation of streaming services might suck, but it's still a much better experience than what old cable is offering.
FOX, please make the Jack McBrayer/Johnny Knoxville show a reality!
This is my favorite Orville episode but I really disliked the ending. Gordon had already been in love with Laura before he even went back in time. To be told that he'd built a life with her and had children, and all that was just wiped away...he just brushed that off much too cavalierly I thought. I'm not saying he should have hated Ed and Kelly for it but Ed was more upset about it than he was and that didn't seem right.
This season is just not doing it for me. It's well-written and well-acted. But I liked The Orville because it was fun and funny. This season, every episode has been a downer, this one in particular. I mean, they could have at least thrown us a bone and said that two timelines were created and Gordon also got to stay with his family while another Gordon was rescued. So far, the only episode that didn't end on a down note was the one where the crew were put in mortal danger so the immortal people could see what fear of death was like.
Someone check on Seth and see if he's ok.
This one felt like cruelty for cruelty sake. They could have just gone back to 2015 without terrorizing Gordon and his family like that. It kind of ruined Ed, Kelly, and Talla for me.
We are probably not going to have any funny Orville episodes this season. Jonathan Franks, who directed the funny episodes in season 1 and 2, did not direct any episodes this season.
@@megalodon6789 Yes! That's what I was thinking. By the episode, I didn't like any of them. The characters have now become unlikeable. Gordon was still down to earth and relatable, but Ed and Kelly just seemed like selfish bullies.
@@ridealongwithme They need to bring him back. Because the way things are going, I don't even know if I'll finish this season. And I have been looking forward to this season for over a year.
@@megalodon6789 Yes. Why come to his house and threaten him in front of his family and even tell his wife in her face that her baby will soon no longer exist. That's sadistic.
I don't like this episode. Everyone was willing to bend the rules for Topa but not for Gordon. He's basically just Doc Brown from Back to the Future 3. But instead they treated him like Tuvix from Voyager who didn't want to die to become Nelix and Tuvak. The episode could have had a better "feel good" way of resolution. Instead, Ed was all temporal prime directive or what ever and was jarring because he wasn't like that with the Topa episode.
In the Topa episode, there was no jeopardy that the entire timeline/universe could be destroyed...just relations with Moclus, bad enough but not catastrophic. However, toying with timeline could destroy everything and everyone. No Union, no Orville, no history, no future, no nothing, maybe. Much greater and unknown repercussions.
@@foxmyx62 I distinctly remember the admiral stating millions of people could die if relations with the mocklans deteriorated because of the threats from krills and kaylons.
There's no threat of any kind of paradox in episode 6. Remember in Start Trek V when Scotty asked "How do we know he didn't invent transparent aluminum?" How was Ed so sure that Gordon wasn't meant to live his life in the past? He never went there willingly.
My point is it could've been delivered in a much better way. They should've focused on stating that alternate time lines can run parallel to each other. This means that even if they fetch Gordon 10 years in the past, it doesn't mean his family with Laura gets erased. It just means another version of Gordon goes back to the Orville. But instead, they ended the episode drinking sadly saying two of Laura's kids would never be born. That isn't at all true because they went back farther into the past to fetch Gordon even before Gordon could send them a message. So alternate parallel timelines do work. They should've focused on that.
@@ixiahj I'm impressed with your argument. You may be right, and possibly that will figure into a future episode. I'd prefer they steered away from timeline stories, they give me a headache.
@@foxmyx62 I'd argue the risk for Topa was WAY worse. If the Moclans had left the Union it would have potentially meant the end of all organic life in the galaxy, considering the Krill alliance has recently burst. Also.. there wasn't an immediate time pressure for Topa. There was the option to wait for a diplomatic change, there was the option for finding a civilian doctor and perform the procedure in secret. There were so many options but they chose the one putting the entire galaxy at risk and disobeying an order coming directly from the Union Council.
Here they destroyed a man's family, threatened him in front of his family, his children, scared his pregnant wife... and for what? For making all that pointless a couple minutes later and without even searching for a different option or even figuring out how big his impact was on anything. And Gordon is supposedly his best friend. So far in the show I honestly haven't figured out yet why they're even friends. Gordon does everything for Ed and Ed constantly treats Gordon like crap. He didn't even try to understand him when he fell in love with Lara in the simulator and here he certainly didn't even try to understand his friend or find a solution for him. Ed is a crappy friend.
@@LeutnantJoker you may be right.
I was disappointed that Ed and Kelly chose to tell Gordon. That was the cruelest option. He was upbeat but the “What if…?” would knaw at anyone’s brain.
I think he deserved to know. It's a learning experience for everyone involved and honestly the rescued Gordon had no connection to them like the other one did so it's not traumatic for him to know.
@@TheRealAlpha2 I think it was cruel. It’s a real stretch to say that he had no connection to them. We’re not talking about a woman who randomly knocked on his cabin door when she got lost on a hike. This is the woman who he had a romance with when he recreated her in a holo-simulation and keeps a phone cloned from hers in his quarters to look back at photos of her. One day he’’s going to be looking at that phone and think “What if…?” and that’s going to eat at him.
Ed and Kelly were total hypocrites. If they were in Gordon’s position, they would have done the exact same thing. The writing was off. They were not supportive to Gordon and clearly aren’t his friends.
I'm a bit confused. What two children won't be born? I know one of them. But who's the other? Also I'm not so sure that reality with the family is even touched. I don't think they got the right Gordon from the future.
She was pregnant with the second. I'm wondering if him being a pilot changed anything, like if someone else flew the plane would that crash. That would have been more impactful on the timeline.
@@bryancampbell9622 Technically even the animals he said he killed could be considered as having an effect on the time line, You never know if those animals would have been meaningful to or even attacked someone.
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Oooohhh I forgot she was pregnant. Also that is interesting.
@@TheRealAlpha2
This is true anything of anyone he came into contact with would Potentially change something. And creating another timeline?
I hate the time travel depicted in this show. If you travel thru time, assuming you’re not entering another universe, it means you were meant to go back. But they always treat it like the timeline is one line that can be altered.
Like that season 2 finale where the future was changed. That should’ve been a new BRANCHED timeline. The original would always exist. Bad Future Grace wouldn’t just vanish like she did, she’d have to live in the past of that timeline forever. The Bad Future timeline would also still exist.
This episode specifically p!ssed me off. Gordon was sent back in time along their specific timeline. Evidenced by the fact his message made it to them across space. He even had a record of being a pilot that they pull up. It was obvious that his effect on the timeline wasn’t significant. Even by their own “rules” of time travel. In fact it almost seems like it was meant to happen.
They should’ve taken Gordon and his family to the future. He deserves that much. He belongs on the Orville but he also belongs with them.
this was a hard episode to watch
My least favorite episode of the season. By far.
There's no such thing as a timetravel paradox or a grandfather paradox. I know this is all make believe, anyway, but if they are gonna go there, at least make a halfassed attempt to either be consistent or be realistic.
Beyond the timetravel stuff, the Orville is obsessed with the 21st century, but when Ed & Co are finally in it - in the car driving to Gordon - they're dunking on the time, like Ed isn't the 21st century's version of a steampunk kid or one of those girls that dress up in 1950s clothes everyday & obsesses with old timey sh×t.
Disagree on the time travel part. You have to accept the time travel rules of whatever show youre watching. Its all fiction anyway.
But agree 100% on them dunking on the 21 century. They already know the mistakes and things humans needed to learn so why dwell on that when youre actually there when this was the perfect chance to experience it first hand. They come off as stuck up prudes here.
I don't dislike the Charly character, but as I feared she is taking up screen and story time from Claire and Bortis. And they are dragging out her story arc with Isaac way too long - it's simply not interesting enough to be eating up this many episodes. Was that "payoff" supposed to be she had romantic feelings for her friend who died? Really? That's it? This is sub-standared storytelling by Orville standards.
I feel like the point of her character is to boil down the feelings of many people in to a fine point. As long as she has a problem with Isaac you know plenty of other people do to for similar reasons.Being that the Kaylon war is a large part of this season/arc it's likely that her feelings will be part of whatever redemption Isaac achieves.
@@TheRealAlpha2 I think that's pretty obvious (so I agree with you). I just think the way they are executing it lacks creativity, and I don't like that we are seeing less of other characters because of it. I also get that other people will feel differently about it.
The Alphabet Mafia need to put "The Message," in some how.
@@balung It’s almost obligatory nowadays. The way I see it, if they lose viewers, it won’t get made anymore and people will be looking for work, whereas the viewers will just find something else to watch.
This episode made me hate captain Mercer I don’t care what reasoning he had what he did wasn’t right
This is my least favorite episode thus far.