Exploring Jason Todd - Batman's Greatest Failure
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Which DC or Marvel character should I look at next?
Raven pllss
I was thinking of Loki or Tony. Maybe Steve
Talk about Static Shock, he's so underrated
Just put a bunch of them on a wall and throw a dart. I have faith whoever gets picked you'll make a good video out of it.
You gotta do Raven.
Dick has Batman’s heart
Jason has Batman’s anger
Tim has Batman’s mind
Damian has Batman’s arrogance
And Barbara has Batman’s miscarriage
Shit, too soon
"Dick has batman's heart"
I like that
@@SteveSmith-ty8ko It will always be too soon...
@@SteveSmith-ty8ko Holy dark humour, Batman!
When you have to deal with deep psychological trauma because the fandom didn’t like you at a time
Pain
You ever wonder what would have happened to Jason if the vote had gone the other way? I know I sometimes do. We see something like that in one storyline in the Death In The Family animated movie, where he takes on the appearance of Hush, but I wonder if that would have happened in the comics too?
@@supersonicheroes I guess there wud be less pain
@@supersonicheroes the entire dc universe would be different today but one thing im sure would happen is that tim drake and damian wayne wouldint exist and some other robin would peobaly been created to fill the place of demian in the future
@@supersonicheroes in my honest opinion, jason wouldn't be as appreciated as he is now if bruce actually saved him. what makes jason a compelling character to me, is how batman failed, causing jason to feel resentment towards batman's twisted moral code.
When jason told batman that if batman was the one killed by the joker and not him, he would have searched through hell just to avenge batman. I felt his pain
batman wanted to kill joker but was stopped by superman
@@BePatientSeeLove bruce also once begged clark not to kill the joker
this all sad
@@BePatientSeeLove
Yeah, Jason Todd doesn't care about authority or sparing criminal's.
@@l0sts0ul89 no he said he didn't mean harvy or clay face or any other villen he just wanted joker dead
I think it's sad that Jason was only killed because the readers wanted him to die, but I think it's amazing that they managed to twist his death into making a great anti-hero.
Yep. Judd Winick wrote the comeback story for Jason Todd.
He is the reason Jason was resurrected in DC and became the Red Hood.
At the same time though, his character allows for this deep view into toying with the idea of intense trauma (yknow the torture and then dying and back to life yadda yadda) and vengeance that can truly ONLY be explored through fiction. There are so many opinions birthed from this single character, and variations of his story, that I'm almost glad it happened (for the sake of debate and sparking more discussion). There's no way to get you more invested into the logistics and emotions of this scenario otherwise, so it's kind of a happy fucked up accident
Fun fact: The margin for whether he would live or die was super slim. Like, a couple of votes type slim. The writer for the "A Death in the Family" comic actually still attributes this to a guy in California he had heard about. Apparently, this random guy had his phone automatically at short intervals calling the number to vote for Jason to die. He said that this one dude probably amounted to a couple hundred votes, which means this random Californian is responsible for one of the most monumental moments in DC comics.
"all right fine, lets give the readers what they want"
"NOT!!!"
@@anonymousanonymous1338 wow! 😳
Jason was the dark side of the robin concept.
Jason is the dark side of Batman if you exclude the flashpoint paradox
Spencer Williams not like Jason’s though
Ryzer Dick actually killed the Joker though, but mostly you’re right.
I like to think after Jason’s death, Bruce became more protective of his Robins. Before the new fifty two and when time came along, he gave time bulletproof armor and made his own suit have a large yellow target for people to aim at
Jason Todd oh he definitely became more protective
“He is the middle child” nothing has ever been more truer
As a middle child, that statement cut deep for me
Same
Middle child’s are overrated as hell, they think they got stuff but aren’t
He's not the middle child anymore. Damien Wayne is Robin number 4
@@SethBrundleify - No but Damian is his actual son, so it's fairly different in comparison to Dick, Jason and Tim.
Dick was the first Robin and the young boy Bruce took in.
Tim was the only Robin who was actually sort of disciplined and the only Robin who was serious on becoming Robin.
Todd was the most undisciplined, angry and reckless Robin, a true source of anger and violence, completely different from Dick or Tim.
Damian is the true son of Bruce, so its very different to the previous three.
Dick, Tim, Barbara, and Damian are the fairy tail stories of success. Jason is the reality check
perfectly sums up Jason Todd. The others are what Batman tells himself they'll be. Jason Todd is the true outcome of what being a robin is. The sacrifices it asks for.
@@montoseblack2901 Sounds like a lot of excuses for being bad
@@OhNoTheFace What excuse? It's true.
So batman had 4 Robin's that were successful, but one failed making that the true outcome of robin. I'm not understanding how that makes sense.
More like Jason is the fairytale in its true form. Remeber, most fairytales are messed up.
Arguably Jason’s biggest success was realizing he didn’t need to be Batman. That he didn’t need to suppress who he is.
Didn't he try to become not just Batman but Nightwing? and didn't he literally promise to suppress who he is when he's in Gotham and since he started wearing the Bat symbol? That's the reason why he uses rubber bullets and why Bruce beat him in hospital in RHATO 25
He mite have but he eventually found himself
Or at least in the latest 3 jokers stroy he found himself and went off to discover himself further even
@@chinyereugwu9431 he tried but realized it wasn't for him!
❤
@@chinyereugwu9431
It’s because these people don’t read the comics…
Under the red hood is legitimately the best dc animated film.
Mask of the Phantasm??
Logan Murdock no
Yea under the red hood then mask of the phantasm is second.
Yep.
@@loganmurdock4679 lol, no.
At the end of the day, what is Jason Todd, but Bruce Wayne's truest reflection?
An angry young man, disappointed with his parents, with himself, left alone to realize just how human his larger than life father was.
How is Batman ever disappointed with his parents?
BibbyBoxx2219 He is disappointed in the outcome of their lives, or their possible criminal affairs
I’d say that being disappointed with what happened to them and literally being disappointed with them are two very different things.
Also, in canon they’ve had no criminal affairs and Bruce knows that.
@@bibbyboxx2219 not true in canon there were a few things that did cause bruce to be disappointed in his parents. I mean there i the return of bruce wayne arc where it turns out his mom and dad both hired someone to kill the other, the kanes have had many members in the court of owls. He has thought of his father as a coward before. Sure there are not a lot of stories delving into it, but he has some disappointment in his parents, but he has long since gotten past any of that and has said he will live up to the image he has of them, not who they really were since they were still human
@Marlon Davis because he's batman
There is actually a lot to Jason that notoriously goes unexplored, like the fact that he was the best student of any Robin, loves literature, has almost as much training as Bruce, and is loyal to a fault. I'd argue that he isn't about vengeance, rather protecting people who can't protect themselves. Jason has been the victim of a broken society his entire life. He knows what it is like to feel hopeless, abandoned, and desperate. He knows what it's like to constantly be looking over his shoulder, seeing the face of his murderer in every crowd. Jason is at his core a survivor who seeks to ease the pain of other victims and end the cycle by whatever means necessary. Which is backed up even more by the things people forget about him, like his empathy, protective instincts, loyalty, and determination. He sees the holes in Bruce's system, and he isn't willing to let people be collateral damage in the fight for Gotham's soul. He isn't just about anger, he's also about recovery, trauma, and survival.
This is so beautifully written and couldn't be more true, Batman justice system is so flawed but nobody see it , in the injustice game he tells Superman that he's wrong for taking the law in to his own hands but he does the same , trusting the corrupt and flawed Gotham justice system to keep murders and psychopaths alive and even bailing them , Jason is right the cat and mouse game between Batman and joker have consequences for real people who in turn become criminals or worse , but Batman is unable to see this because of his said morality. When he said why he didn't stop joker from doing to others what was done to him shows he's fighting not just for vengeance but to protect others from that fate . Red hood is far from a good hero but his point is valid
"So while the World's Finest fight each other, I fight for the people. The weak. The innocent. Anyone who can't protect themselves. When they cry out for a savior, I'll answer. As for the criminals who threaten them? They need to know that their actions have consequences. That the Red Hood is coming for them." - he said it himself, in his injustice 2 ending. In my opinion Jason has made the biggest sacrifice of all, he sacrificed himself, his own morals and image just to protect those who were once like him, weak and defenseless. He became a vessel, a tool that waged war on criminals, effectively. That's the main difference between Batman and him, Jason puts the safety of others before his "morals". (which we can see in this new storyline with the magistrate, too). He's willing to cross all the lines to do what's necessary, not caring that it's alienating him even more from his family and anyone he might care about. And I would argue that what he is doing is right, but not everyone is ready to admit that, let alone do what he does for the sake of others. Jason is literally the epitome of selflessness.
Jason is the most like Bruce in a way
I love everything that was said in this thread
I always feel like Jason and the punisher are similar. They are the product of the failed justice system. Batman was the last ditch effort of a good man trying to save it but for all the thing he tried, he is but one man and couldnt turn the tide. Even in batman beyond, Terry is still fighting the same symptom of the old problem and he still hasnt found the answer yet.
If Dick was everything Batman wishes he had become, Jason is everything Batman fears he will turn into.
Dick is Batman's heart and compassion, Jason is Batman's drive and vengeance.
and I'm the blood son 😎😎😎😎
Nice summary. But how would you describe Tim Drake?
@@supersonicheroes Nerdddd(Ab. Piccolo voice)
@@supersonicheroes the middle child
What about Terry McGinnis?
The rarest human you can find, is one that spreads joy and happiness, while going through hell, the ones that are hurt, but still spread love.
God damn that's epic, fantastic quote!
Vincero Alpha thank you😅 I’m only 13 so I got my ways to go
@@reaperhimself5625 as a 35 year old, it's an ideal that I'm striving for but continuously fail at but never give up on achieving and maintaining. You have to have a strong resolve to have this and maintain it throughout your life, but it's more than possible and even more than worth it!
Vincero Alpha yep there’s no greater thing
You have your youth
Enjoy it and be careful.
And when it matters be calculated and not emotional.
Bye 🐕
When you follow the road of revenge. Make sure to dig two tombs.
Confucius.
What the hell dose that mean?
Coswalker it’s a quote from Confucius. It means that if you go for revenge, you lose your morality and innocence as well. One grave for your enemy, and one for your former self
A lot more than two if Jason has his way.
@@Coswalker27 Bro you made me laugh so hard haha!
The most saddest thing is that when Nightwing found out that Joker killed Jason, he went to hunt for the Joker and actually killed him. However, when Batman found out, he resurrected the Joker because Nightwing "broke the code". You'd think he'd resurrect his own son.
Dick's overwhelming love and grief for Jason is something all its own, quite separate from Bruce's feelings and moral compunctions. There's a case to say that what Dick feels for Jason goes beyond brotherhood.
in which comic did this happen? i'd like to read it
@@berry.x9388 I’m pretty sure it’s (and correct me if I’m wrong) “Joker: Last Laugh” but in that one Nightwing hears that Tim drake dies and goes to kill joker and during that Joker mentions that “I’ve hit Jason harder than this, his name was Jason right?” Which I’m pretty sure ticked Jason off even more
@@pendafen7405 Not everything is gay
@@shadowyshadow6498 I don't think they meant that? I think they meant that Dick and Jason have a greater bond than any of the other family members do, to which it can be that they are *platonic* soulmates.
Jason forgiving Bruce not being able to save him in time but not being able to forgive him for leaving the Joker alive is something I relate so much and can't really explain it eloquently enough.
I think Jason knew that Bruce did everything in his power to save him. The fact that he couldn’t in the end was something entirely out of his control, so there was no use in blaming him.
In the same scene where Jason said he forgave Bruce, he thought Bruce would avenge him because Joker took Robin away from Batman. Out of everyone who Joker crippled and murdered, combined with all the years they spent together, Jason thought that at least he would be worth avenging. This was something Bruce could control unlike Jason’s death, and he chose not to. Which probably prompted Jason to ask himself if he was worth avenging to Bruce, and made him question how much Bruce cared about him.
Separately, there was a video game that depicted a cut scene while Joker was torturing Jason. He told him that Batman had replaced him with a new Robin, and didn’t care to look for him anymore. I can’t imagine the despair and pain from hearing that.
@@whacet4387 Video game was worse. Comic Batman buried Jason but Arkham Batman stopped looking for his body before replacing him.
@@grega3611 yeah a pretty dick move from Batman
Fuck Batman, he's an enabler of death and misery. IDC if I get shit for this, the man let his "son" fucking die and still had the audacity to tell him how to be or fight crime when bats failed so miserably in preventing one of the worst crimes to ever happen in DC Comics.
@@whacet4387 im sorry but Im calling BS on that. If batman felt any kind of pain for the losses joker inflicts, he would have made sure they never happen again. All he does are half measures isntead. Batman has 0 room to complain about something he himself had the power to prevent but did not
Jason was always my favorite DC character. Some people see the Joker and Batman's dynamic as a fucked up "love story", if so Jason is basically their lovechild. They both created him in a way and he also wears the Joker's first identity with a bat symbol. Although he's more good than bad now, he represents the middle ground whereas Batman and the Joker both represent the opposite extremes of justice and chaos.
this both jokers success and batman failure
He is a Anti hero he ain't the hero nor the villain
TALK ANY THING YOU WANT REALLY he should be a villain
"Why do you wear My old identity?" Joker the criminal (three jokers)
"Is every one of your freaks going to ask me the same question? It's a joke" - Jason Todd (three Jokers)
@@talkanythingyouwantreally3634 He was an Anti-villain when he first reappeared. He was endorsing crime and drug trade, Teamed up with villains like Hush, Clayface, brick and Talia, Ruthlessly murdered many people and nearly killed Batman with a bomb. All of this was written by Winick, who also wrote UTRH.
This is without mentioning the stories where he was written in a badly inconsistent Manner and was very out of character.
He only became more of an anti-hero after the reboot in 2011.
Dick represents what Batman cant be. A better Batman.
Jason represents what Batman cant do.
Tim represents a better detective.
All together they are a better Batman.
Jacob Tamez and damien just sucks
Daimian represents all that they WON’T do Damian’s future is even more brutal than Jason’s- but this is not a bad thing I really don’t understand how people hate Daimian but LOVE Bruce when they are literally the same person- just a stubborn, angry, so right that he doesn’t see when he’s wrong, always thinks he’s doing the right thing when he realistically is NOT. Daimian shows up the flaws the Bruce has Daimian is Bruce Wayne the difference is he’s better at seeing the world- Bruce’s moral code over the years.. it’s not good anymore I’m sorry but Criminals don’t FEAR Batman anymore.. each day they get bolder.. because he doesn’t kill so nothing is on the line.
Batman must never kill- but don’t be a dumbass and a hypocrite because WE DO what you WON’T
GamerThief XP but Batman has a reason it’s cause his parents died wtf is Damian’s excuse
Jason Todd there’s no such thing as an excuse in this world just “crutches” you cannot blame someone for what happened to your family especially those who aren’t even responsible. Daimian lost his grandfather the only man that was a father to him.. but you don’t see him brutally beating the shit out of those he deems “family” just because of that.
Bruce is always gonna use his parents “Death” to cover up the fact that it’s actually him who has “Died”.
Daimian finds life in his grandfathers death, he grows, changes.
Bruce is frozen.. and that’s why he’s a hypocrite
and Damian lol...
During the scene where jason kills joker in a diner he says “I know I failed Batman..” and I’m just sitting there like, Batman failed you my guy
The saddest truth that not many fans has the willpower to accept.
#Facts
Sad and very true
Or they both failed each other.
frrr
“I’m not talking about killing Penguin or Scarecrow or Dent. I’m talking about HIM. JUST HIM! And doing it because... because he took me away from you”
Fuck, that breaks my heart every time.
Jason’s the only Robin Batman couldn’t save. Trying to suppress his pain and vengeance like Batman does was counterproductive for Jason. He realized he couldn’t be like Batman
Tim?
Damien has also died
@@Acemancello But Batman got him back
Stephanie and Bruce also fucked their relationship after being almost killed by Black Mask.
@@somniato7759 Jason came back too
I want to see a dark movie like the joker but with jason todd and his story.
Batman Under The Red Hood...
Basically take stuff from lost days and exspsnd on it
Um... Under the red hood? Or read "Lost days".
AssassinsCAT well gess who just called me asking for a move
Watch it on Netflix it's amazing movie
What I find most interesting is; after Jason's death, Bruce basically turns him into this perfect, idealized martyr. He keeps Jason's uniform on display to remind himself of his failure every single day, and mourns him with the same reverence as he does for his own parents. Jason's ghost looms over the bat-family for years and years.
But then, when Jason claws his way out of his own grave and returns, it's like Bruce no longer has any love for him. You'd think he'd be happy and embrace his son. That he would do anything in his power to give Jason peace. But NOPE! Instead Bruce severely injures him over and over (worse than Batman hurts most villains), and shuns him for being a broken man.
Like what must that be like? To know that your family made a saint in your image, but want nothing to do with the real you. To know that you will never be as deeply loved in life as you were in death.
Different writters who forget or outright ignore previous character relationships and dynamics to fit into they're stories
Everything you said was true and I agree, that’s a great fear and it’s upsetting how many people are loved more after death than in life. Really shows you a dark side to reality and the truth that every human being is gonna have to accept. Love isn’t absolute
Ya may have misinterpreted that movie :/
Yea...
In the comics Batman straight up cut Jason's neck to save the Joker
The thing that's really tragic about Jason:
People have always cared more about the things he's done than the things done to him.
its understandable but two wrongs don't make a right
@@jamesonrichards5105 Well good thing that saving countless lives is a good thing
@@jamesonrichards5105 I mean is it really wrong to kill someone who has raped women and set off a nuclear bomb that killed a whole town 😪
@@jamesonrichards5105 he also doesn’t kill ur everyday criminals, bc for one he understands the life of stealing bc u need food or stealing because you dirt poor or only doing drugs bc that’s ur only way of income. But he doesn’t tolerate doing it to hurt anyone else and this is seen when he talks to drug dealers abt selling stuff to kids. He tells them that if he sees them near kid schools or playgrounds he is going to make them wish they were never born.
@@emilyhu7463 you knows it's not real right?
I really wish the CW would have done a Red Hood show instead of Batwoman. Could have been amazing
Dylan Sanders I was suppose to get a show but they called it off
Why tho?
Some guy With a name
Because they saw a gay character as being more profitable. Which is ironic because the the ratings are terrible
nah cw will plaguerise the show man
@@GigaChadh976 You also got people defending the show saying it's because of the homophobes. Far from it even. Poor CGI, with scenes meant to "own the straights" each time they get. Nobody hates Batwoman, in fact, she's a great character that anyone can be willing to dwell into if the plot around her is great along with her development. Yeah, maybe there's homophobes against her existence as a character, but the majority just want to watch something interesting.
Why is it so hard to make a good LGBT+ character shine out?
Jason the one who was torture the one was forgotten the one who will be remembered as a failure always as long as he lives .... THATS WHY WE LOVE HIM
Kamden Payne you're missing some commas in that sentence
The one every fan once hated.
Commas please.
Same here
I think red hood is one of the most underated comic book characters ever and I'm loving his latest comics
"Job gone wrong"
That's putting the whole "was looking for his birth mother only to find out she was a criminal working for the Joker, but he still threw himself in front of the bomb to save her after she allowed Joker to beat him to a pulp" thing lightly.
Jason Todd is by far my all-time favorite Robin. Dick and Batman may be the most classic and famous dynamic duo, but the father-son relationship between Jason and Batman is the most interesting of the entire batfamily and yields the best stories. Every time a writer puts them together on a comic book page it's pure gold. Jason is Bruce's prodigal son, the son who most morally challenges Batman and pulls him out of his comfort zone. Jason is rebellious, disobedient, fumbling and deeply insecure. In many stories it is notorious that he always felt in Dick's shadow, as he was never as skillful and perfect a Robin as Dick, and made many mistakes due to his fumbling nature and his impulsiveness temper.
Since Jason came back to life and became Red Hood, he has sought to walk his own path, doing everything contrary to what his father thinks is right. But Jason walks his way in the best of intentions. On the outside, he acts like he doesn't give a shit about Batman's heavy criticism of the fact that he uses guns and kills. But deep inside Jason craves Bruce's approval. Jason knows he let Batman down and didn't become the son Batman dreamed of having. This increases his insecurity. In some stories, he stops killing the enemies for a while, not just to go back to working as an ally of Batman, but to try to regain his father's trust and try to repair his relationship with him. But he always ends up killing again, and he and Batman fight and drift apart again. Jason always break Batman rules not because he hate him, but why in the end of day, does he need to step out of his father's shadow and make his own choices. Even though he has to pay a dear price for it: to be the black sheep of the batfamily.
And I didn't even comment on the guilt that each carries over the other: Batman feels guilty about being responsible for Jason's death, and Jason feels guilty about being Bruce's disappointment.
Although Jason and Batman love each other, the answer to the problem between them is not how much they love each other, but is all about acceptance. Jason should accepts that his old man never will kill for any motive, and Batman should accepts that his son is a killer and there is nothing they can do to change each other.
Great analysis 🥺!
One other relationship that I really like is between Jason and Dick.
The loved older brother and the second one living in his shadow, yet, Dick might be the one who cares the most about Jason of them all, there even is a comic run where after Jason's death, Nightwing personally goes after the Joker and kills him in revenge for what he has done because he too wanted to protect Jason and felt distraught at what happened to him. And even after he became the Red Hood, he still is probably the most supportive and understanding of Jason, you rarely see him reprimand him for his actions. This is not nearly as explored as it ought to be, because the two definitely have the potential to make for a great duo (and add in Barbara as she would probably fit really well and her own struggles echo very well with these two and you have a banger trio with the potential for great interactions and storylines. Honestly, if they ever do a run where these three form a team to try to find and catch the Joker behind Batman's back as they all have a personal beef with him and are dissatisfied with Batman's incessant game with him but also all somewhat disagree on what to do with him once they get their hands on him, I would be down with it, just came up with the idea and that sounds actually dope)
@@sephikong8323 Really ? I liked the other take better when Dick was a asshole to Jason in every way. Not becaue he hated him but Bruce fired him and replaced him with Jason and he took his resentment out on him. Dick took all of his frustrations out on him because he feelt betrayed. Instead of a brother he saw an rival. Somebody that was witty, talented and could replace him as Bruce partner and son.
That was also the reason why Jason was never much outside of Gotham active. All the kids were Dick's friends and Dick was against him. Dick was their leader so they sided with him.
Well and then, then he died. The guilt and shame crushed him. Consumed him and almost broke him. Bruce has made Jason's home life hell and Dick made sure he would never find one outside, or more specific in the JLA /Titans .
The Red Hood allowed not only Dick to mend their relationship but also to finally relieve himself of his guilt and shame towards Jason.
That is also the reason whyJason does not like Dick and rejects his advancements towards him. In his eyes Dick's main motivation is to save himself and nothing else and he may be right.
@@PSYMEDIC I also like this approach don't get me wrong and I know it makes a lot of sense, I just prefer the other version because it's a bit more optimistic and gives Jason at least something and a chance to get better instead of kicking him whilst he is down because Dick is a salty prick (which also makes Dick look like, well, a dick). I prefer a version where after Jason's death Dick became regretful of how he viewed him and tries to amend and considers him like a sort of little brother once he find him again
Jason Todd/Red Hood is a character in the Batman Mythos that I find to be almost Shakespearean levels of tragic for so many reasons, and this video explains them all quite well. Vengeance is a very powerful thing, and while Batman represents a type of it that is restrained by the equal desire of doing justice, Red Hood represents Vengeance in its purest, most untamed form. It's honestly quite similar as to how Batman represents order and Joker represents Chaos: two ideologies constantly clashing. It makes it even more compelling than it already is imo! :)
Your comment is even more poetic when you realise joker is just as much of a father to Jason as Bruce is even in taking the red hood moniker
He is literally the result of both men’s beliefs.....
Shakepearean? I would say more like Greek Mythology.
I think Jason's tale always hits hard you could easily see him living the most average citizen life.
@@msk-qp6fn he could have been anyone. But due to the actions of others he became the red hood.
@James Vivian and that makes it a whole lot sadder but I am also glad Jason is not Bruce Dick or Tim
U missed him being adopted, his first kill and his mother’s betrayal of him.
What comic is that from?
Huh his first kill was of a child molestor or soemthing when he was robin but it was left ambiguous if he chucked him off the roof or not but we know that he did now cuz he’s red hood.
His adoption was revealed in a death in the family and the thing that actually lead to his death was his biological mother selling him out to the joker. Which is soemthing that’s often overlooked as those details make a death in the family a genuinely compelling story
@@NightmareproductionsOFFICIAL wow can help to be 10× more Empathetic for that character
I believe he’s also now the only adopted Robin. Tim’s dad is still alive and Dick was officially made a ward again
@@welch_inc6532 oh cool
I love how Jason is one of the only people who see the flaw in Batman's work. He points it out even if he doesn't understand.
he wont kill the joker when his adopted son dies but he will kill the joker to save superman's unborn child
literally
Theres multiple reasons to why this could’ve happened, one of them being, super man would have taken it worse, batman didn’t want superman going through the same pain, then again jason came back to life
Also the option of comic books
Yes to SAVE not avenge
He wouldn’t do that either , him killing joker to save Superman’s unborn child was just Superman dreaming
let us just say his grievances cumulatively added for him to do that one
Batman's PTSD must be through the roof but that is why he is so admired, he's a lot like Kakashi in that regard
Hamza Orakzai The greatest example in film form is Ben Affleck’s version of Batman. His PTSD is real, his failures haunt him, Jason haunts him. It creates a version of himself that isn’t Batman, a darkness looms over him over the years and the very man he fought to not be.
Section GamingPlus it is sad that people don’t get it and they only complain that this isn’t Batman and shit. The Batman in BVS is the Batman all hardcore fans been dying to see. I have always wanted to see what happen when Batman snap and let go of his ideology of justice I always wanted to see what happen when it got too much for him and I got to see it in BVS and I love it
@@Beastzz77 if that's so then why are we always so displeased with the homicidal maniacs in bat costumes that riddle the live action? Sounds like you mistake Batman fans for Punisher fans. His no kill philosophy is part of what makes his stories so compelling. Killing the bad guys like Batflec is too easy, he doesn't have to deal with his own trauma and rage every time he stops a crime as he just gives in. Batflec straight up murders more thugs in bvs than all prior versions combined like they are nothing, because to him they are nothing. The real Batman views even the thugs of Gotham as people that although badly flawed are still deserving of a chance at redemption and compassion. Sure they WILL get an unholy ass-kicking, but one the will typically make a full recovery from and a chance to reform. In Batflec there is no possiblity of reform, no mercy and no sanity
Nicholas Hodges u clearly don’t read well I said every hardcore fans have always wanted to see what (FUCKING IF) he let go of his ideology. The Thomas Wayne version of Bruce Wayne and if u don’t follow the reviews like sheep then u might get to see the best Batman on screen till this day
@Christian Tompkins that not real life tho
I always thought that Bruce considered jason the closest thing to a son because jason considered him his real father. To me it always seemed dick grayson only really saw him as a mentor and not a real father. While jason saw him as his only real family.
They both saw him as a father. I mean he raised Dick from age 8 to his 20's so Dick is his 1st found family. Only Jason's writer ruined it by recently bringing back Willis Jason's dad and retconing his adoption to foster child
@@chinyereugwu9431 I think Dicks parents died a lot later now. Since Damian was the youngest Robin at 10. Jason being in foster care at first was always around, they’ve just increased the time and included that Bruce visited him before deciding to adopt Jason
@@welch_inc6532 Dick Grayson is the youngest robin.They changed his age to make him older in New 52 but reverted this in Rebirth
Dick does also consider Bruce as his father.
Things to note that the true actual reason Jason died before all the call and vote, is because he wanted to meet his birth mother. Only to get betrayed by her and despite of that still used his body to shield her from the bomb.
I haven't seen any writer actually brought that up even once somehow and only focused on how Jason as Robin defied Batman's order.
Jason is relatable to our generation because he represents the failure to recover from long-standing issues. He realized all on his own that it's because of Bruce's parenting style and had to develop his own moral code because the one Bruce taught failed him when he needed it most. Different characters better represent the common issues of different times, but Jason is the most meaningful to our time
The issue is both Bruce and Jason make valid points. Yes it would be easy to kill off the joker and there by justify killing all the mad men of Gotham. But Jason makes the point that Joker might not be as crazy as he comes off to be and if was killed, how many lives would that save.
In the end you cant pick one without considering the what if of the other.
Vicent Casaña I think you’re sort of proving Batman’s point that it is easy to justify killing criminals for the sake of the future crimes they MAY commit. I know we’re talking about joker, but Batman’s point is it ultimately wouldn’t end with joker. Eventually another villain would come along that needs putting down. And then another. And then another. And then another.
Of course you can pick. The Joker is arguably one of the most dangerous, callous, uncaring criminals in the DC universe. To kill him saves thousands and avenges thousands more. To have him simply eliminated is as simple as it is clear; he is a tumor that needs to be excised and removed.
@@Supahdave1000 fr
Jason is right
And that is the meaning of life, seeing both sides that differ completely but are both fully valid in their own way. yin and yang.
“Ignoring what he’s done in the past blindly stupidly disregarding the entire graveyards he’s filled the thousands who have suffered the friends he crippled”
This quote is so powerful to me cause even though Jason when through what he went through he still has the heart to call Barbara a friend and still remembers what happened and knows how much pain it causes Bruce and no matter how far Jason fell he know he still has friends
*2:17** THAT SCENE WHERE A STARVING JASON EATS A BURGER & SAYS "THIS IS THE NICEST MEAL THAT NONEONE NEVER DID TO ME*
I love how Jason Todd’s whole character arc was built off the fact that fans originally hated him All it took was a good writer and know he’s a fan favourite it’s inspiring really it shows that there’s no bad characters only bad writers
Always found Jason to be an interesting thanks to Under the Red hood. He's my favorite anti hero and you did an amazing video essay. You should do the punisher and Daredevil.
I agree bro
Hector Rojas I never really saw him as an anti hero, more as just a hero with no qualms about killing people(which imo doesn’t make someone an anti hero), Jason truly wants to do good id say Deadpool is more of the Anti Hero type
Jason is my favorite anti hero
OutlawStar Joseph yeah but that's one of the official criteria points for being an anti-hero, it's why both The Punisher and even Wolverine are considered antiheroes
Ace of Games Wolverine is considered a hero, at least I’ve never seen anyone call him an anti hero, I didn’t know people saw him that way
I always wondered why they never put Joker or any of the other villains to death. You can really only use the insanity plea so many times, and not all of Batman's villains are nuts. And yes it is just a comic, blah, blah. But hypothetically, even if whatever state Gotham is supposed to be in outlawed the death penalty prior to Joker's appearance you'd think someone would have lobbied for it to be restored after all these mass murdering super villains like him started showing up. I'm not even a big supporter of the death penalty in real life but there are just some people who are beyond redemption and are too dangerous to let live even behind bars.
Joseph McHugh I thought Gotham outlawed the death penalty right after the night Thomas and Martha Wayne were murdered? Is their a comic story that shows that Gotham outlawed the death penalty? I mean that was one of my ideas I still wish I could use it
@@LegendariumMythos Its the only logical explanation
Lord Solar Matthius thank you mate
Forget state laws, by any country constitution I'm pretty sure that the Joker would be considered a terrorist in the country and judge by federal law. Pretty sure he would get a death penalty in this way.
readers love them thats why 😂
I love Dick Grayson, he’s a great character, and being essentially Bruce’s “first born” he can speak to Bruce in a way the others can’t (see the Hush story for an example). And yet, Jason (as the latest incarnation of Red Hood) is my favorite Robin. His demeanor is so appealing to me.
Jason is truly DC’s biggest mess up.
The way that DC wanted to portray Batman is as a man who’s moralistic ideology is justified.
But once Jason Todd was killed, his own ideology backfired unto him and on DC.
In a way, Jason was right.
Batman has always used fear to deter petty street criminals from committing crimes.
But what to you do with the once that aren’t afraid? What do you do with the once that are willing to put up with a 6ft bat-suit wearing vigilante running around beating criminals with his bear hands?
The problem is that in an attempt to get comic book readers attention, DC decided to unintentionally challenge batman’s own morals and codes down to its core.
Batman fights criminals that refuse to get better and only get worse and worse and worse throughout the years.
Let’s take Two-Face.
A once proud lawyer/District attorney, turned violent sociopath who bets on chance for his killings.
Harvey never gets better.
Arkham Asylum doesn’t cure him.
in the Dark Knight returns he gets plastic surgery to fix his disfigured face and what does he do?
he goes back to being Two-Face.
These criminals don’t learn, they don’t grow, and since they keep escaping federal penitentiary’s, what other choice does Jason really have?
At this point, Jason’s brutal ideology makes more sense then that of Batman’s.
Because yeah, crime cannot be controlled by fear forever.
Eventually, someone is going to look fear in the eyes and laugh.
Not to mention that once it's known that Batman doesn't kill most criminals would stop fearing him. Everyone can take a beating so nobody should be particularly afraid of Batman. The fear of death is the only thing that can truly stop someone (unless they are insane.).
I agree. If containing the most dangerous criminals isn’t working, then they must be put to death. Like Joker. He isn’t contained easily like everyone else in Arkham and Blackgate. He breaks out easily, and possibly shortly after being locked up, and kills more innocents. The humongous amount of lives he’s taken have proven that he’s beyond repair and too dangerous to be kept alive. Batman’s code has gone too far. Not all criminals deserve rehabilitation. Some do, but some deserve to be sent to hell. It depends on how dangerous they really are. So Arkham Asylum isn’t really working for Joker.
That’s all well and good but.
Jason will never EVER actually kill a major villain IM CANON (that “chose out own adventure” movie doesn’t count).
Jason can’t kill any major villains, specially the Joker, because they are popular reoccurring characters.
Jason just comes off as a bigger hypocrite. He acts big and kills all these low level henchmen’s, but will NEVER actually kill someone that matters.
@@Indigo_1001 That seems more of a deliberate choice by the company in order to justify having Jason around. As a general rule no character can truly die. Barry Allen Flash was dead for 23 years before they brought him back in 2008. So for me, Jason not killing any major characters is DC trying to backpedal Jason’s role in Batman’s life. Their essentially playing politics as Jason not killing any major villain is a rule DC forced unto Jason. If writers truly were allowed to kill characters off, then Jason would kill Joker right away. If he truly was a man of his word, he would do that in other to proof Batman’s flaws as a vigilante.
@@Indigo_1001 but ultimately i believe their both wrong. I believe Jason is thinking more logically about crime since his solution was simply to control it. But crime is a symptom of a broken state. In Gotham their are many millionaires and billions living in Gotham. Why would multi- millionaires live in Gotham? Property taxes.
Gotham is a place we’re the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
So in order to tackle crime and get rid of it, we need to address the elephant in the room, political corruption.
So while Batman brings hope through his actions, his actions alone isn’t enough. Gotham needs more then a vigilante. The Dark Knight (2008) and The Dark Knight Returns (1986) both tackled batman’s role in Gotham is significant ways but firstly inspiring hope and change. In the Dark Knight, Batman inspired the Harvey Dent Act that eliminated organized crime overnight and helped improve the city.
In the Dark Knight Returns, it shows that despite batman bringing fear into criminals, he also inspires hope to people. Showing us that batman can be turned into a symbol of hope, not just a symbol of fear. But he still had to get rid of The Joker in order to do it.
That speech batman gives Jaon about not killing is a defining moment in any medium. It's my 3rd favorite Batman moment of all time.
Great video again.
What are #1 and 2
Yeah same I wanna know
Eren Ja3ger yeah same, I wanna know
It's a fun moral point of view. But Batman needs to kill the Joker. The longer he allows him to live the more people die. The more boys lose their parents "because of some punk with a gun" or an acid flower, or a deadly neurotoxin gas, or a crowbar, or lots of explosives. Keeping the Joker alive is antithetical to his mission.
erm4gundr the thing is if he does he will never come back as the Batman we know like what if he does kill joker and then let say someone like bane does something much worse or big that can kill a lot of people then Batman will probably just kill him to end it all and then after that what if penguin does the same then it go on and on
Jason Todd is what made me fall in love with DC. He's by far my favorite character out of their roster and the most identifiable. Also, the guy has become something of hero in his own terms.
Taylor Curtis he’s a combo of Winter Soldier and Punisher
It's fascinating how, from a certain point of view, Jason surpasses Bruce as well. When looking at Batman's unwillingness to kill as a weakness, as many do, Jason crossing that threshold by killing people he sees as iredeemable he has, in a sense, outgrown Batman.
This being said, it opens up a whole new can of worms by deciding who gets to live and who does not.
Exactly! I love this perspective, most people see it so black and white to just kill all villains, but then it goes into by who's standards?
Yeah but the only problem is.
Jason doesn’t kill any meaningful villain, because this is a comic book story and popular character can’t die.
Jason talks big in killing countless low level henchmen, but he will NEVER kill a meaningful villain IN CANON. Doesn’t that make him a bigger hypocrite than Batman?
@@Indigo_1001No that just means the writers can't afford to have Jason fulfill his justice. They made an awesome character who will finally scratch the itch Batman would never dare to, and they refuse to let him actually do it because it would "create a spinoff" and wouldn't be considered canon.
I love how batman is willing, and has planned the deaths of all his friends incase they go rogue, but he wont kill the germicidal clown
Sage video: 😁
Sage video about Batman: 😍
Sage video deconstructing the inner turmoil of being Robin specifically how warped it can become through the eyes of Jason Todd: 🤯
Jason is a better Batman, he brought crime in Gotham way down by controlling it, you can't stop crime, but you can control it.
Red Hood has been largely unremarkable in the grand scheme of things in Gotham compared to Batman.
But if Batman let Jason bring true justice to Gotham city. There really will be no problems Gotham city could actually prosper..
@@stickskywalker7365 no those criminals still have families, how many families are going to mourn thier fathers, sons daughters grandchildren etc. Maybe they need to make a living and those family members have to turn to crime to feed themselves. Just killing all of the criminals wouldnt solve anything it would just add to the problem. Batman needs to do more things as Bruce Wayne to truly make Gotham prosper. Pay for children's education, rehabilitation centres for juveniles who turn to crime, set up a foundation to help those criminals feed their families and find actually jobs. Spread the wealth more.
The Flash 2019 Bruce Wayne does all those things you mentioned.
SIKKEM MODE killing the criminals dont change annything, so does imprisinating them. What criminals need is rehabilitation
Jason Todd is my favorite out of the bat family and I feel like sometimes people don't give him enough credit. This man was tortured to death waiting for his only friend to come save him. Comes back to life just to find out the man that did it is still alive, and his place as Robin has been replaced.
When Jason fires his AK, his safety is on.
Underrated
When your father is a guilt stricken war vet too clouded by demons from his past, and Sage brings in the most relatable Robin of all time.
“Batman’s greatest failure.”
No. That’s the movie Batman and Robin
True
It’s amazing that at one time fans hated this character enough to vote him to death, and they have now managed to make him one of the most interesting characters with depth and extreme relatability
“Extreme relatability”
In what universe is he “extremely relatable”. You aren’t him dude, grow up
Jason is a genius yet people act like he’s the “dumb one.” You think just any kid could do what he’s able to physically and mentally do? He can do as 19 year old more than most people twice his age are capable of. Yet DC keeps shoving a narrative of Jason being incompetent to boost up the “good” Robins. Only recently has DC come to realize how popular Jason Todd is, but they still don’t realize why he’s so beloved by fans so inevitably they just put him in more stuff but keep giving him bad writers.
"Justice must be tempered with mercy. Else it becomes naught but vengeance"
I find it odd how everyone says Jason Todd is a “failure” I mean I don’t think what he does is technically wrong. The ppl he kills aren’t restricted by the law system so bringing them to court won’t help, they’ll just be back out and killin ppl within a week, plus I’d hate Batman too if i thought he cared about me like a son and then constantly let’s the guy that killed me live to kill more ppl. Like at a certain point u gotta stop blaming Jason and start lookin at what Batman is doin wrong. Think about it, is he even stopping crime in Gotham. He might catch small fry like the henchman and put them away for good but the big shots like joker, penguin and the riddler just keep gettin out of jail because the justice system doesn’t work and if that’s the case why keep using something that doesn’t work? I mean Batman beats on the red hood like he’s just some random criminal but forgets the fact that he made Jason into what he is and instead of accepting Jason’s logic in his actions and the fact that what he’s doin might actually be more affective he just rejects him and everything he stands for even tho Jason forgave him for not being able to save him, I mean come on u put a fuckin kid in a suit and told him to fight crime and now u mad cause he doin what u taught him? Sounds like denial to me
You really didn't watch the last bit of the video, cause rain explained that if batman took the road of nothing but violence he becomes the thing he's morally against. Just because those who did bad defy the law doesn't mean batman should too.
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Strike Phoenix are you saying that the villains should not be killed for all the stuff they did or that Jason shouldn’t be the one to execute them?
Lamar Lewis I’m not sayin either one of those 😂 I’m sayin maybe Jason Todd is doin the right thing by killing off these criminals who kill and abuse innocent ppl then get away wit it cause they either pay law enforcement off or they repeatedly escape prison
okay and But u see that logic is flawed, because by letting ppl like the joker live he’s already indirectly killed several ppl. Batman is one of the greatest superhero’s of all time no doubt but his inability to kill ppl like the joker ,who is basically the purest of evil, is wat makes his logic flawed because he most definitely knows joker is gonna escape prison and kill other innocent civilians. He even says multiple times that he knows joker will escape and harm others but he refuses to do wat is necessary to stop it all
For me personally jason has always been the more relatable one of the Family the robin in the middle. He’s not a athletic as the first or a master detective like drake He’s the Robin who was left behind and abandoned (depending on which version). When he returned there was only regret and rage but after all he tries to change and do better . Even if he tries to push his adoptive family away☯️
Jason is actually said to have a greater willpower than Batman, because he knows how to control his anger better than Batman because while Jason does kill criminals, he knows how to keep himself from just killing every criminal he comes across, where as if Batman kills the joker he’ll go on a killing spree, there’s actually a universe where this happened.
EXACTLY.
@@-RedHood- you have more self control than Bruce.
If you watch Batman: Death in the Family, you'll see that Bruce goes crazy from the Lazarus Pit resurrection and struggles to recover while I went crazy but eventually managed to recover seemingly easier.
Bro what?
In Under the Red Hood Jason kills countless low level henchmen’s just doing their job. In the beginning when Batman apprehended three criminals and is interrogating them. Jason just… Murders them in cold blood.
He has gone crazy, how can you say that “he is better then Batman”
@@Indigo_1001in combat jason will kill if met with lethal force but he just won’t go to Arkham and kill every criminal there Bruce would kill everybody it’s kind of like doing hard drugs if he started
See, this is why I liked Jason when he was a bit more unhinged. His emotion just felt so raw.
In the New 52 reboot, he suddenly just became a big ol' softie.
He even lost to Batwoman :/
Edward Gil I like the new 52 Todd because I feel like over time his unhingedness would get boring, to me it’s just the natural progression of his character
He might have been a softie, but he is still a lot more brutal than batman. And even then, the red hood and the outlaws rebirth comic was fantastic, especially it's climax
Yeah but, I love the newer representations of Jason. I don’t mind him being soft. When it comes down do it, he’s really just a scared, confused kid. And seeing Jason show his true feelings, the few moments where Jason and Batman have heartwarming moments, I really enjoy those. And Jason dealing with Bizarro, it alway makes me smile.
@@gentrybruette1837
I see your point but that's kinda it. "When it comes down to it". I get that it likely would've been the eventual progression of his character. But I didn't like how most of his worst moments were just kinda retconned away to make it easier for the readers to forgive him. But I would've liked it better if we actually got to watch him go from crazy anti-villain to a more grounded anti-hero. Rather than him suddenly just being that grounded anti-hero and that transformation mostly happened between reboots. I will say his case isn't as bad as others in the New 52. He still has a character arc. I just personally felt disappointed.
This is why i liked about jason. He has the story that we can related to. I truly loved the changes jason has become in comic redhood and the outlaw rebirth when he gets bizzaro and artemis. It is the only chance jason has to have a family and he really happy about it
That middle child comment is really true. We need more Red Hood content for mainline batman stuff. I want to see him doing his killing thing and gunning thing.
Red Hood is my favorite of the Robins and likely my favorite character in DC as a whole, especially as someone who doesn't even like comics that much.
Sane bro really hope we get a second batman under the red hood
If you ask me, Batman refusing to kill the Joker is his greatest failure. And I know his fans and himself will forever defend it-but at the end of the day, leaving Joker alive is like leaving Osama Bin Ladin alive. At some point you have to acknowledge that either you’re going to kill him, or he’s going to escape and kill 10 more people. Saying that killing somebody makes you the same as a murderous maniac is an indictment on your fragile mental stability-not killing in of itself.
Couldn't have been said better, the logic is stupid
@@IIIISai
It’s never made any sort of sense to me
I mean if gotham got the death penalty?
Jersey made the death penalty illegal, but they should just allow Gotham with that under extreme circumstances so Joker would've have a kill count of like 100,000. Might as well, Jokers probably bullshitting the insane thing, but even if that's true, that guy is too dangerous to be kept alive
@@altalia07tbh a cop would’ve shot joker while he had him in custody
Jason Todds always been my favorite Robin because of how deep his story and reasoning goes, everything he does is because of years of pain and suffering and why it makes his decision making so different to everyone else.
I cried during the movie Red Hood, it was so emotional and dove deep into the fear Bruce had of his failures. Also it didn’t hurt to that the man who voiced Joker in that movie, also voiced Jake the Dog from Adventure Time
John was terrific as Joker, and Jensen was a great Jason Todd. His final scene with Bruce was heart Breaking.
Dick Grayson : idealism
Jason Todd : determination , grim , not moving on from the past and vengeance
Tim drake : the detective
Damian Wayne : a choice break or make the number 1 RULE and skill
All the parts that builds up batman everyday
He's one of the most tragic characters in the Batman mythos. I was disappointed when I learned Todd had returned because it seemed like this was seriously diminishing Batman of one aspect of his growth as a character that came as a result of Jason's death. But it was handled pretty well in the comics. I was too young to remember Todd's original run as Robin in the comics, but I liked his mentality when he returned to Gotham.
"...The Middle Child..."
*"J. Cole - Middle Child" intensifies*
One thing I noticed about red hood(at least in the movie) he fights a lot like a military soldier with knives and guns which I would say kinda shows how close Batman is to being someone like the Punisher.
In the early issues, batman was basically the punisher but more skilled and better equipped
Who could have imagined that taking an orphan off the streets, teaching him martial arts and directing his anger at criminals would have negative repercussions?
You would think therapy would atleast be considered
Among all Robins, Jason is the most street. I really love his arc.
Jensen ackles was a perfect fit for that voice acting role as red hood. it fits the whole immoral badass with a non stop internal torture and unforgiving hatred for the world as well as a hunger for a vengeance that will never be sated . Idk
Jensen Ackles isn't the best voice actor for Jason Todd
He IS Jason Todd
Just like how Mark Hamill is Joker and Kevin Conroy is Batman
And George Clooney will be batman yeah
Honestly, I know the quote "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." was meant to be a thematic purpose for Two-Face in The Dark Knight. But to me, Red Hood exemplifies that quote much more.
He deserved so much better than what the life had given him. I love him. ❤️
edit: i totally understand the "greatest failure" term being used for jason but i think batman's greatest failure was harvey.
Wasn't it just in the animated movie that Jason was resurrected from the Lazarus Pit? I distinctly remember from the comic that he woke up in his coffin because of Superboy Prime punching his way out of that alternate reality in Infinite Crisis which caused some aspects of different realities to warp over into other ones, including the reality where Jason survived the explosion, hence why he wakes up in the coffin, except he was essentially brain-dead in terms of personality (operating on instinct) and the Lazarus Pit gives him back his mind and memories. good video though
Pretty sure new 52 retconned that.
@@Gearhead2675 and I'm pretty sure Rebirth retconned the retcon.
The movie would be to long If they explained what happened with superboy prime also the movie was before the new 52
I would have liked the movie to include some of red hood lost days
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Let’s be real here, i can’t imagine anyone else shouldering the burdens that Batman has without breaking, that’s just insane
Batman is balanced amalgamation of 4 qualities - passion, rage , intellect and swagger. And each of the Robin i.e. Dick, Jason, Tim and Damian separately are extremes of those qualities.
I'm in the minority, but I always thought the "It would be too easy" argument on Batman's part was baloney.
If you've spent a lifetime mastering every fighting discipline known to man, earned a dozen master's degrees and done everything in your power to reach peak human physiological perfection and become the world's greatest detective, and it still only takes ONE kill to send you over the edge, maybe you're not cut out for the job after all.
Besides, theoretically, if Batman killed the Joker, every other criminal in Gotham, including the worst of the worst like Penguin, Scarecrow and so on, would second guess themselves from then on out. They would always ask themselves, "Is this crime really worth committing now that I know beyond a doubt that Batman is willing to kill me rather than send me Arkham or Blackgate so I can escape and do it again?"
TheLukeMonster Batman not killing Villians imo creates more Batman villains, I’d much rather go up against Batman than Jason Todd and such because I’d know that no matter what Batman wont kill me, it’s not as if Batman is dealing with Spider-Man Villains who care about having an army of thugs and being gangster, most of Batman’s Villians do not give two fucks about the money they care about the power and chaos, modeling the world into their will, and what being sent to the most escaped mental asylum in history is my punishment, I’d take that then break out and keep running my empire(I’m you’re someone like Falcone or Penguin) or keep causing chaos, hell joker was still causing chaos from within his cell, so I completely argue with you
If batman killed there wouldn't be animated films suchvas under the red hood or even alot of movies.
@SirJeff They can always bring new villains, idk about you but joker is overated. Same villains/heroes, different au's and what if's. Unlike hero comic books, manga (I'm talking about the good ones) have few heroes, some villains, they kill one and go to the next, one storyline and that's it.
DC and Marvel have too many characters and rebbots. Why can't they have at least one character who stay true to their original personality and storyline, finish it and just let it go after? From all those supermans rebbots and au's, who do you think is the real one? The original one wasan't even a hero, it was a jerk.
The only good "what if's" stories I like are the ones who don't affect the original concept, usually paralel universes are used for this or time travels but I expect everything to go back to normal afterwards.
@@blackcat80yearsago96 yes but bring new villains if u just said that DC has too many characters? And also a comic book without joker to me is just boring, he is my all time fav super villian and also to other people too and not making a story with batman and joker would just be boring
The reason Batman said that is that he knows, on some level, that he is not sane. He's deeply disturbed and is doing what he does out of personal issues, not principles. His one rule is not a moral rule. It's his lifeline, his last line of mental defense that keeps him from completely losing it. He can't break his coping mechanism without completely flipping out.
I think for me Jason represents the hard times that we have had in our lives and how sometimes not to handle them
Damn, this one really made me sad. Jason Todd has to be my favorite Robin. I can relate to him. Keep making videos like this bro 💪🏽🔥🔥
I dont know, Jason Todd to me simply appears more realistic than any of the other characters, maybe more sane as well, in a sense.
With the things the different members of the bat-family have experienced, giving in to rage and vengenance to me sounds like a perfectly normal and relatable thing to do. Clinging unto due process and justice in a corrupt city where villains escape their punishment by bribing judges, breaking free or getting bailed out, I daresay the average reader celebrates anti-heroes like the Red Hood, Azrael or Anarky, who do not play by the rules of a guy dressed as a bat who is indirectly responsible for the death of millions, due to lenient execution of vigilantism.
Batman plays by rules, but it is rules he has set, and technically he is still a vigilante, and therefor a criminal. Expecting other vigilantes to play by his rules, is, in a way, pretty hypocritical.
Jason Todd raised some valid points in the Red Hood story, such as crime not being beatable, ultimately. Joker wormed himself into Jason's mind suggesting Jason is like him, but that is not true. Jason clung unto keeping innocents out of danger, and he didn't kill for fun, as far as I could see. While his methods might've overlapped with the Joker, his motivs didn't.
Yo Jason is my favorite DC character thank you so much for making a video on him 😊😊
Jason is my favourite Robin and one of my favourite comic characters. My fav stories with him is lost days and RHATO #0.
If you think the Red Hood’s origin story is tragic here, wait ‘til you find out how they did Jason in the Arkhamverse…
I think another thing Jason is better at than Bruce is having self control. Bruce always says his reason for not killing the joker is because it could set him into a path of killing every other enemy he faces where as with Jason he can control him self. There's been plenty of cases where Jason could kill someone but he hasn't but there's been cases where he has. Jason has a line where if they cross it he will kill them but if the don't he won't.
Red hood is my favorite DC character
God Usopp thank you
Captions for these videos would be nice for people who hearing impairment/deaf.
I never really been into any of Batman series, in fact I didnt know that there are several Robins. But after came across this, I found that the character of Jason Todd and how he was tortured is very sad to me. Really good explanation. Thank you.
You should play Arkham Knight or at least watch it’s full walkthrough.
I’m pretty sure you will like to see what happens there. (Not spoiling anything)
Sometimes I really do symapthize with Jasons line at the end, "not talking about killing Penguin, or Scarecrow, or Dent, just HIM."
This isn't marvel or DC but can you please do a video about Shikamarus loyalty to Naruto. I feel like this is an underappreciated aspect of the naruto and even boruto series.
Wtf are you talking about the whole leaf village is loyal to Naruto 😂🤣😂
@@uliloolilu780 I think he means the way Shikamaru was loyal to naruto even before the village accepted him
@@TheUnderratedOrange ohhh and choji was loyal too remember
@@uliloolilu780 yup and even kiba too i think
@@TheUnderratedOrange damn almost everyone was loyal too him except the parents and some kids.
I'm glad you appreciate this enough to make a video about it. One of the best stories out there.
YOOOO this was absolutely epic! I love your videos on these kind of more "philosophical" topics. Great work!
It would be awesome if they implemented a theme where the robins represent different facets of Batman. Dick represents Batman’s physical and martial skill, Tim represents his whole Worlds Greatest Detective aspect, and I think Jason could represent his planner, “Batman can beat anything with prep time” aspect.
Another great video Sage-sama. I look forward to your essays the most! My favourite commentator!
Such a beautiful analysis on Jason's character when a lot of fans think hes just evil for killing people... He has a special place in my heart so thanks for this
Really wish more stories would have Red Hood as an antagonist for Batman. It’s what makes him so much more compelling.
Just found u 2 days ago. Not huge into anime, but absolutely love these batman clips... keep making them :-)