Exploring Tim Drake - The Perfect Robin

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  • @captainfordo2938
    @captainfordo2938 4 роки тому +3345

    "Dick saw being Robin as a thrill. It's probably why he outgrew it. Jason saw being Robin as a game. It's probably what got him killed. But Tim, I have to hand it to the boy... he wants to be the world's greatest detective. And from what I've seen so far... he will be someday." -Batman

    • @kingchange2027
      @kingchange2027 3 роки тому +53

      Where did you find this quote

    • @darko6308
      @darko6308 3 роки тому +177

      It's from Batman #617. Variant Comics also mentioned this on their video on Tim Drake.

    • @user-MB17
      @user-MB17 3 роки тому +26

      @@kingchange2027 probably young justice...

    • @kingchange2027
      @kingchange2027 3 роки тому +13

      @@user-MB17 thanks

    • @FormalFilmsProductions
      @FormalFilmsProductions 3 роки тому +16

      @@kingchange2027 Batman Hush

  • @cjlewis9228
    @cjlewis9228 4 роки тому +3128

    Tim Drake’s motivation has always been his big heart and his caring nature. After losing Jason, Batman needed someone to keep him grounded and Tim was the one to do that.

    • @nabrydlovyhaduvaty
      @nabrydlovyhaduvaty 4 роки тому +65

      What Batman needed was therapy, and not to endanger another teen with a life of crime-fighting

    • @ThatsEman2
      @ThatsEman2 4 роки тому +8

      What ever every robin keeps him sane and that's what matters and Jason can beat him up and he did several times

    • @superstarultra28
      @superstarultra28 4 роки тому +19

      @@nabrydlovyhaduvaty True. He really should've stopped bringing in sidekicks after Jason died.

    • @aristyoryanza1557
      @aristyoryanza1557 4 роки тому +7

      @@superstarultra28 no, jason is the one offer to work with batman, batman was reluctant at first, and damian is, well you know😂

    • @egAMDG361
      @egAMDG361 4 роки тому +5

      the worst part about this is the fact that he died in the injustice universe

  • @EricGraham94
    @EricGraham94 4 роки тому +3772

    He’s the most underrated Robin. He doesn’t get the respect he deserves.

    • @michaelmurray8134
      @michaelmurray8134 4 роки тому +287

      I know right! Tim is my favorite Robin, he's the Robin I grew up with.
      He doesn't feel overshadowed by Batman like Dick was.
      He's not trying to be better than Batman like Jason was.
      And he wasn't trying to be Batman like Damian was.
      He just wants to be Batman's partner, the guy that he can rely on to have his back while being the guy that others can rely on. He just wants to help the best he can.

    • @MrRobot-0
      @MrRobot-0 4 роки тому +69

      The problem with tim is that is easyer o tell stoeyes with the other.
      He dont have the sheer amout of dedicated runs and wide reaching charisma that dick had.
      He cant pull of the edgelor drama card like jason
      He isnt as centred in the superhuman society net as daimian nor he have the that childsh personaly of daimian.
      Tim is a problem solver at heart ho made him a great asset on a superhero team but no so much to create drama.

    • @onenerdygremlin
      @onenerdygremlin 4 роки тому +41

      He's the Robin I want to use in my stories. Not enough love for him other than CoFfEe

    • @sevensevenseven9351
      @sevensevenseven9351 4 роки тому +25

      And worst characters like Damien are soooo overrated

    • @MrRobot-0
      @MrRobot-0 4 роки тому +27

      @@sevensevenseven9351 when he is wirthen well in comics he is ok, in the animated movies... *YES*

  • @teeemtee5739
    @teeemtee5739 4 роки тому +2489

    Dick is my favorite (not only Robin but superhero in general), but yeah Tim is THE Robin, y'know? Jason always struggled with his anger, abandonment, and trust issues. Dick always compared himself with Bruce in a very unhealthy way and grew resentful toward him. Tim was always just chillin...being himself. With the Batclan, Teen Titans, and Young Justice he's always struggling to best himself as a leader.
    He had no dark backstory like the others, he became Robin because he simply wanted to.
    Plus his brain is the most like Bruce, so...

    • @mbtisocialclub
      @mbtisocialclub 4 роки тому +30

      Dick is your favourite? Ok then

    • @JohnSmith-op3qj
      @JohnSmith-op3qj 4 роки тому +106

      Wouldn't be remiss to say that Red Robin is the kind of hero Batman would've been if Bruce didn't lose his parents.
      Then again, I dunno. Bruce's primary trigger for his sense of justice is vengeance, so maybe that evaluation was a bit too optimistic.

    • @teeemtee5739
      @teeemtee5739 4 роки тому +62

      @@mbtisocialclub Gonna make a gay joke subscribed to Shane Dawson, huh? Big Yikes.

    • @pgrnkslkr
      @pgrnkslkr 4 роки тому +9

      And then there's Damien

    • @NoHandlzz
      @NoHandlzz 4 роки тому

      Hometown Rapper 😂 someone had to say it

  • @trueblueedits4673
    @trueblueedits4673 4 роки тому +1574

    Tim is Batman if he never suffered so much tragedy.

    • @Shadowkiller-dq2ju
      @Shadowkiller-dq2ju 4 роки тому +10

      TrueBlue AoV
      Having his rich parents die

    • @animenokoijin2963
      @animenokoijin2963 4 роки тому +52

      So he is basically the shadow of batmans inner self

    • @HELLO_KORO
      @HELLO_KORO 4 роки тому +83

      He's Batman but if he had friends growing up

    • @SteveSmith-ty8ko
      @SteveSmith-ty8ko 4 роки тому +147

      ETHANDAALLMIGHTY Tim is Batman without the tragedy. Dick is Batman without the brooding. Jason is Batman without the restraint.

    • @DylweedWasTaken11
      @DylweedWasTaken11 4 роки тому +102

      @@SteveSmith-ty8ko I'd argue that Jason is Bruce with MORE restraint. In many adaptations Bruce says that if he starts killing he cannot stop. Jason, on the other hand, is capable of killing and not killing whoever he wants.

  • @Aeiko.
    @Aeiko. 3 роки тому +386

    The fact that Jason even wrote “the best of us” on Tim’s grave in DCeased, just...

  • @Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache
    @Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache 4 роки тому +1125

    *Tim:* "I figured out who Batman AND the original Robin are, by myself, had both of my parents die (not simultaneously, mind you), and then built up my own group of friends by myself. What did you do?"
    *Damian:* "I was born."

    • @spectacularlysentimental
      @spectacularlysentimental 4 роки тому +42

      Hahahaha! Good one.

    • @shinkinshin001119
      @shinkinshin001119 4 роки тому +31

      Why are you everywhere? I see you in so many comment sections, I'm starting to lose my mind.

    • @spectacularlysentimental
      @spectacularlysentimental 4 роки тому +9

      @@shinkinshin001119 Wait, the comments of this video or even at other videos? I watch a lot of comic book content. Hahaha!

    • @SteveSmith-ty8ko
      @SteveSmith-ty8ko 4 роки тому +57

      Damian: “My dad was date-raped by my mom.”
      Zuko: “That’s rough buddy.”

    • @mione12gft71
      @mione12gft71 4 роки тому +3

      See u everywere man

  • @praveenloganathan7495
    @praveenloganathan7495 3 роки тому +177

    Why Damien hated Tim is because everyone saw and acknowledged him as his father's one true successor. Damien knew that his own grandpa, Ra's himself called Tim Detective, the title of Batman. On the other hand, his mother revived and molded Jason into an unbeatable fighter. He then saw his father, with pride in his eyes everytime they met or worked with Dick. So in a way the mantle of Robin is far more important to Damien because each of them had been acknowledged by someone from his own family. That's how I see it

    • @chazarcola7639
      @chazarcola7639 7 місяців тому +4

      Tim can have the Robin mantle if he wants. DAMIAN will still inherit THE LEAGUE OF ASSASSINS, THE LEAGUE OF SHADOWS AND THE LEAGUE OF LAZARUS. The vast worldwide Al Ghul criminal empire is his real inheritance shown in Batman Beyond. Just like Octavian and The Roman Empire.

  • @comedytitan9947
    @comedytitan9947 4 роки тому +1286

    It sucks that Tim doesent get alot of apperances in the animated movies/shows. I mean he was in young justice but he barely gets anything to do. I really want a movie or show that shows Tims personality in the forefront. As always great video!

    • @RoronoaZoro-ur6hr
      @RoronoaZoro-ur6hr 4 роки тому +63

      ComedyTitan, I agree with you entirely that Tim should get either an animated movie/show because Dick and Jason had plenty of animated series they were in, but it seems like nowadays Tim is the most underrated Robin because you barley see him in Batman series because he’s barley recognized.

    • @teeemtee5739
      @teeemtee5739 4 роки тому +47

      He has the Arkham series...but they basically just made him Dick Grayson in those so...I get your point

    • @timothyjacksondrake4454
      @timothyjacksondrake4454 4 роки тому +4

      Have you read the first half of jeff Jhon's teen titans run? I just finished it on DCuniverse and really enjoyed tim in it.

    • @asmartphoneinquarantine3269
      @asmartphoneinquarantine3269 4 роки тому +5

      He was in the batman animated series and he was also in batman beyond return of the joker

    • @RoronoaZoro-ur6hr
      @RoronoaZoro-ur6hr 4 роки тому +12

      Free For All, in both of those he was a Jason Todd clone because The Animated series and Batman Beyond didn’t want to have a Jason Todd origin story that was tortured and killed by The Joker just to be brought back to life by Superboy Prime punching a whole in reality a feat that Goku has also been shown to have, but Superman fanboys wank off to Superman and claiming he’s the bestest DC superhero ever.

  • @zm9126
    @zm9126 4 роки тому +567

    So, essentially
    Dick Greyson is arguably the most similar out of the three first Robins (not including Damian, I don't actually know much about him other than his story). Dick had his family killed in a similar manner and Batman helped him take his revenge but ultimately thought him to use favour justice over it, much like him. However, the thing about Dick that separates him is that he got over revenge, and sought justice out of responsibility, which lead him a very different path than Bruce. Dick realized this and separated himself from the idea of Batman. Robin belonged by Batman's side; Nightwing didn't.
    Jason Todd is the polar opposite. He owed nothing to justice and was driven by not vengeance but injustice, unfairness, and locked away emotions. He was driven by the pleasure of being the thrill, playing Robin like a game, as Batman mentioned in Hush. Unlike Dick or Bruce, becoming a vigilante wasn't a reaction to tragedy but an expression. It was when he started expressing too much "getting his head in the game" so to speak, that he made the mistakes that Batman berated him for, causing it to spiral to his death. When he came back as Red Hood, in spite of becoming a killer, it was the closest thing to Batman he has ever been. It wasn't just an expression, he was now motivated by pain and revenge rather than it simply being an expression of the injustices that he felt.
    Tim Drake, however, did it out of responsibility. It wasn't motivated by vengeance, nor any wish to release something upon the world for pleasure. He did this out of nobility. He did it because it was right. He is arguably the most noble out of the Robins because of this. He simply wished to help and I think that speaks more than a lot about his character.

    • @narutouzumaki2005
      @narutouzumaki2005 4 роки тому +14

      So he's like the Superman of the robins?

    • @blue-lu1mw
      @blue-lu1mw 4 роки тому +19

      Your explanation of the Robin's is my favorite in this comment section.

    • @DSan-kl2yc
      @DSan-kl2yc 4 роки тому +11

      That's not accurate. Dick got picked up immediyat after and created Robin. He wanted to be Robin after catching his killer.
      The position had already been established. Drake also did it not out of nobility for justice but to help Batman.
      Anyway that's not how nobility works. And also Dick and Jason were both much younger. 9 and 12 respectively.
      And how Jason died wasnt because of some game. He died when his altruism and naivete made him trust his criminal mom(tho he didn't know that).

    • @zm9126
      @zm9126 4 роки тому +4

      @@DSan-kl2yc That is correct but simply out of order. You are just jumbling up the timeline when in the end, its the same difference to what I said.

    • @narutouzumaki2005
      @narutouzumaki2005 4 роки тому +13

      @@DSan-kl2yc You are correct but that doesn't mean your right.
      In addition to wanting to help Batman, as he grew in both the Young Justice and Teen Titans comics. It becomes more of a sense of nobility. He just a boy who wanted to do the right thing. Maybe at first, the right thing at the time was to help Batman. However, it grows to be so much.
      And if you read his "Robin" comic, we can tell early on that he was just like Clark, he simply wanted to do the right thing. And that why to me he's my favorite Robin.

  • @tss3393
    @tss3393 4 роки тому +178

    Dick Grayson: Some are born great.
    Jason Todd: Some achieve greatness.
    Tim Drake: Others have greatness thrust upon them.

    • @arunr4407
      @arunr4407 3 роки тому +1

      Damian : creator of greatness

    • @pines3326
      @pines3326 3 роки тому +17

      @@arunr4407 *Created from greatness

  • @toganium4175
    @toganium4175 4 роки тому +645

    Though I like Jason Todd and Dick Grayson more, I do feel like Tim Drake works best as a partner because of his skills and how he is different from the other Robins.
    In a way, Tim's motivations are similar to Carrie Kelley's in _The Dark Knight Returns._

    • @marcusmcneal7453
      @marcusmcneal7453 4 роки тому +37

      Agreed. IMO Tim was the best Robin. He was an asset on the field and in the cave. Bruce often had him do missions alone and trusted him to get things done. Even when Bruce was being a jerk to him, Tim never took it personal like Dick would. He would always stick with him. Tim and Bruce are much closer on an emotional level than anyone else, even Damian. They're most like father/son of all the Robins.

    • @gaiusx287
      @gaiusx287 4 роки тому +19

      @@marcusmcneal7453 Eh then it seems Tim was unrealistically mature. If he never took things personal with Bruce, then they definitely did not have a father/son relationship haha. A perfect professional relationship for sure, but the previous ones were truly family

    • @marcusmcneal7453
      @marcusmcneal7453 4 роки тому +20

      Gaiusx2 Haha It’s because Tim actually came from a nice family and didn’t have a bad upbringing. His family is rich and only lives a short distance from Bruce. He’s was a lot smarter and well adjusted than most people in the Batfamily. His issue is that he can be too sensitive and gets his feelings hurt easily. He internalizes everything.

    • @Arkhamman2023
      @Arkhamman2023 4 роки тому

      @@gaiusx287 because he never lost his parents.

    • @Junya01
      @Junya01 4 роки тому +7

      @@Arkhamman2023 he lost both of his parents later, because he decided to be Robin. Get your facts straight man

  • @ifeelempty6816
    @ifeelempty6816 4 роки тому +528

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  • @michaelnoga3737
    @michaelnoga3737 4 роки тому +237

    Tim is my favorite Robin for all the reasons you said. Mainly because he WAS Batman's parter. The other Robins were "partners" but really sidekicks. I always say that Tim is the true Robin. Dick was always under Bruce's shadow and compared himself too him that led him to be his own superhero. Jason's ego, abandedment issues, and impulsive behavior got him killed and turning on Bruce, the one person who he thought would never abandon him but did (In Jason's eyes). Damian is desend to take over the mantle of Batman when he is ready. But one thing they all have in common was that they didn't really chose to be crimefighters. Tim chosed to be because it was the right thing to do. That is what makes him the best.

    • @DSan-kl2yc
      @DSan-kl2yc 4 роки тому +9

      You're wrong on two counts. Tim is probably the most sidekick out of all the batman's. Dick is probably the most partner.
      They all also made the choice to be crime fighters..Bruce was against Dick doing it. Or to at least shelve him. Dick had to insist on keeping the position.
      Damian had to fight his way in.
      And even Jason made a choice repeatedly. He could have stopped and just enjoyed being at wayne manor.

    • @DSan-kl2yc
      @DSan-kl2yc 4 роки тому +7

      Tim didn't need Batman to fight crime, or to be Robin. He didn't choose to be a crimefighter. He chose to be batman's partner.
      And Batman decided for him to be trained by others. That wasn't Tim either.

    • @michaelnoga3737
      @michaelnoga3737 4 роки тому +4

      @@DSan-kl2yc You make some good points. That was just how I always viewed it in my head but really it all depends on the writer. Different writers have different stories they want to tell using these characters in new ways, so in a sense we both are right.

    • @joestriker8518
      @joestriker8518 4 роки тому +2

      @@DSan-kl2yc This. Dick is Bruce’s partner, and he understands Bruce better than the rest.
      Jason and Damian have strong personalities and don’t go along with every decision Batman makes.
      Tim is just a obedient child soldier

    • @limecable1278
      @limecable1278 3 роки тому +10

      @@joestriker8518 Tim understand what Batman needs so he disobeys him sometimes by LYING TO BATMAN (therefore, not that obedient) and also his brain is almost at par with Bruce’s so therefore he understands him the best out of all the Robins. (Just what I think)

  • @xanderg.1070
    @xanderg.1070 4 роки тому +450

    I really hate the fact that DC always seems to just ignore Tim, and I really don’t know why. His stories are just as great or even better than the stories for Dick, Jason, and especially Damian. We need to have Tim Drake series either as Robin or Red Robin, a reboot of Young Justice where the lineup is the original members:
    Robin(Tim Drake)
    Superboy(Conner Kent)
    Impulse(Bart Allen)
    Wondergirl(Cassie Sandsmark)
    To show how important he is to the bat family, young justice, and teen titans, cuz I really hate how DC just ignores like he doesn’t exist in favor of Damian(who I don’t hate).

    • @webtely
      @webtely 4 роки тому +5

      There's a book about that right now in DC it's written by bendis

    • @tayojones9460
      @tayojones9460 4 роки тому +21

      Anything written by Bendis is terrible.

    • @Junya01
      @Junya01 4 роки тому +15

      @@webtely followed that book all the way to its cancellation - it’s shit.
      A good Tim Drake team book would be pre-New 52 Teen Titans, he was such a good leader ;-;

    • @gregmatic2861
      @gregmatic2861 4 роки тому +3

      It's not just Tim most of those 90's sidekicks got replaced. Just look at the parallels between Tim Drake Robin and Connor Kent Superboy. After the 90's they didn't know what to do with them.

    • @xanderg.1070
      @xanderg.1070 4 роки тому +5

      @@gregmatic2861 I wouldn’t specifically say that they didn’t know what they wanted to do with Tim and Conner after the 90s since during the 2000s they actually had a lot of character growth and stories that they would be famous for such as Geoff Johns run on Teen Titans, where they revealed that Conner is a clone of Superman and Lex Luthor, and they it to their advantage to develop Conner, cuz even though he’s a clone of a hero and a villain, he learns that it’s the path he chooses that well define him who he is. And yes, when Damian Wayne came along and became Robin, it left Tim at a awkward spot since he was well known as Robin and embraced the mantle, but I honestly think him becoming Red Robin was a good choice.
      And I know people said that Tim can’t stand out of his own outside the robin mantle, but I don’t think that’s true bc the red robin series is the only series that shows that Tim can stand out on his own outside the robin mantle like Dick and Jason. And I know that Robin and Red Robin have the word “robin” but they’re actually separated identities. People forgot that the red robin mantle is supposed to symbolize ideology of Batman but just happened to have the word “Robin” in it. And when Tim took the identity of RR, even though it had the word “Robin” it was mostly a way to show Tim that is just like Bruce as a detective and at the same time it shows him that he can be more than just Batman’s partner.
      So honestly I don’t think they had no idea what to do with these characters after the 90s as both Conner and Tim went through a lot of growth from Tim’s journey from Robin to Red Robin and Conner’s identity crisis. I honestly think that after flashpoint they didn’t know what to do with these characters, but I mainly blame the writers. But this is all my opinion

  • @SplitCell202
    @SplitCell202 4 роки тому +197

    I always found myself more attracted to Tim's Robin. I loved the rest but I always loved how calculated he was. Thank you for this video Sage.

  • @joxerd
    @joxerd 4 роки тому +1290

    Dick Grayson - The First
    Jason Todd - The mistake
    Tim Drake - The Reasonable
    Stephanie Brown - The Forgotten One
    Damian Wayne - An Opportunity
    Terry Mcginnis - A Legacy

    • @dantu5377
      @dantu5377 4 роки тому +38

      Was there really this many Robin's in Bruce Wayne'slife?

    • @Greatworldofficial
      @Greatworldofficial 4 роки тому +9

      May I use your words to describe some of my characters? Pretty please

    • @camrolls3144
      @camrolls3144 4 роки тому +91

      @@dantu5377 Yup. There's also Duke Thomas, who wasn't really a Robin but lead the We Are Robin movement, Carrie Kelly, and Jarro!

    • @maxalain9948
      @maxalain9948 4 роки тому +103

      Damian Wayne - a second mistake

    • @Greatworldofficial
      @Greatworldofficial 4 роки тому +17

      Max Alain also the second greatest failure

  • @ThomasTheAlphaAndOmega8509
    @ThomasTheAlphaAndOmega8509 4 роки тому +31

    Tim is literally the only robin who stayed with the name Robin after growing up.

  • @Salemwaaa
    @Salemwaaa 4 роки тому +221

    Still don’t know much about Tim Drake but I imagine that he struggled with his own demons and that combined with his obsessive nature would destroy him, Tim is a product of Bruce’s teachings

    • @michaelmurray8134
      @michaelmurray8134 4 роки тому +29

      While he was training to become Robin his parents were kidnapped by the Opium man in the Caribbean and Batman had to save them. Bruce managed to save Tim's father but his mother was poisoned and died in the hospital. And much later during identity crisis Tim's father dies by the hand of Captain Boomerang making him an orphan and leading to Batman to once again adopt another child who lost their parents.

    • @HELLO_KORO
      @HELLO_KORO 4 роки тому +9

      Tim being Robin lead to his dad dying and his step mom becoming mentally broken also his best friend Sebastian Ives got cancer and his young justice pal Died

    • @kingzxlol
      @kingzxlol 4 роки тому +9

      his best friend (Kon), his girlfriend (Steph), and his father all died within the same year, you can see how that would break a person

    • @Arkhamman2023
      @Arkhamman2023 4 роки тому +1

      You litterly watched a video about Tim drake and you still don't know much about him.... bruh

    • @dravenocklost4253
      @dravenocklost4253 4 роки тому +5

      @@Arkhamman2023 it was more of a symbolic video not a detailed description of him

  • @Shan19918
    @Shan19918 Рік тому +10

    When the character is so perfect writers don’t know what to do after a while

  • @AvatarDesto
    @AvatarDesto 4 роки тому +98

    Tim is really underrated this really captured what makes him a great character loving these bat family videos really hope we can get one on Cassandra Cain soon

  • @BonesNeverLie
    @BonesNeverLie 4 роки тому +46

    Tim is so sick. I read the first volume of Detective Comics Rebirth and I love him. He’s definitely the smartest out of the Robins

  • @dominiquej.anderson4703
    @dominiquej.anderson4703 4 роки тому +46

    Tim’s detective skills are amazing.

  • @thehighground7926
    @thehighground7926 4 роки тому +17

    The fact that Tim Drake was able to figure out that Dick was Robin(former) and Bruce was Batman all from watching a Circus show is incredible. *Most underrated Robin ever*

  • @retrofilms1940
    @retrofilms1940 4 роки тому +41

    Finally, someone who acknowledges the best robin

  • @LibertyBridgeProductions
    @LibertyBridgeProductions 4 роки тому +54

    Tim’s story is kind of inspiring.
    He saved Batman’s soul.
    Tim has brains and works hard and it shows if u work hard u can do anything.
    I wanna see a lot of this guy in live action so bad.
    By far my favourite robin as robin simply because this guy is my robin.

  • @batmanfan6207
    @batmanfan6207 4 роки тому +24

    Tim will always be my favorite Robin and never gets enough love. You did an amazing tribute to him here.

  • @AHeru-zt5qd
    @AHeru-zt5qd 4 роки тому +63

    I really appreciate your basing this on the pre-New 52 Tim Drake and not the hot, thermonuclear mess he was after the reboot.

    • @rainbowdash9388
      @rainbowdash9388 3 роки тому +2

      What happened to him post-New 52?

    • @DylanGarcia1619
      @DylanGarcia1619 3 роки тому

      @@rainbowdash9388 Let’s just say before he became Robin, Tim Drake earned himself a place on Penguin’s hit list.

    • @rainbowdash9388
      @rainbowdash9388 3 роки тому

      @@DylanGarcia1619 please just tell me and don’t hint at it. I’m probably not going to read it so there’s no point in keeping anything back

    • @DylanGarcia1619
      @DylanGarcia1619 3 роки тому +9

      @@rainbowdash9388 Tim offered to become Robin, but Batman refused. To get Batman to take him in, Tim stole money from Penguin’s bank accounts and donated it to charity. Penguin found out, traced it back to Tim’s house, and had multiple of his goons attempt to kill Tim and his entire family. They were stopped, Tim’s family was placed in witness protection, and Bruce had to take Tim in to keep him safe. And that’s how Tim became Robin: by almost causing his family to be gunned down by gangsters.

    • @rainbowdash9388
      @rainbowdash9388 3 роки тому

      @@DylanGarcia1619 thanks man

  • @monitor-mindtheover-void6712
    @monitor-mindtheover-void6712 4 роки тому +30

    Tim Drake is the most underrated robin in my opinion.

  • @epsbandy
    @epsbandy 4 роки тому +81

    This is a wonderful poignant look at Tim as Robin!
    I see the comments here about him not having a dark past or needing to struggle before he became Robin though. And to those I say: He had a different situation. He had parents, but with how they often they left him to his own devices he might as well had none. He was a smart kid, taught to be the poster child and self-sufficient - convenient to show off and easy to manage. Neglected and manipulated by his own parents - of course, he'd get attached to Bruce who might have been harsh in the beginning, but also praised him and cared about him as a person.
    (I have too many feels and will shut up now.)

    • @SagesRain
      @SagesRain  4 роки тому +7

      Well said.

    • @timothyjacksondrake4454
      @timothyjacksondrake4454 4 роки тому +5

      That is how someone like him would turn out. I myself am a older middle child who was left to his own devices mostly by loving parents. That is the thing about Tim I love he reminds me of myself in some ways(not the brilliance part), but I can verify that when someone like that sees someone who will always show interest in you, even if they do it in a strange way, you will gravitate towards that person. Just like Tim you will also realize how much you love your parents when hard times strike or you are removed form them for an extended period. Like the wise Syu said I should shut up now.

    • @MsCassidy23
      @MsCassidy23 4 роки тому +8

      Didn't he also witness Dick's parents fall to their deaths when his dad took him to the circus to help him cope with his mother's death?
      That would mess with someone and I always saw that as the reasoning behind Tim's fixation with Nightwing (because, technically, he _was_ stalking him) and his inability to cope with personal loss without losing his famous objectivity. Of course, it could also do with the fact that, like Bruce, Tim came from a life of priviledge and opportunity, but unlike anyone in the batfamily he didn't suffer the same losses as them until he was well into his teens. A high IQ can only get an individual so far if they aren't fully aware of the consequences of their actions, and while Tim seemed to think he knew what he was getting into (with Batman's training and all), it wasn't until he really got in deep enough to lose everything that the reality of the situation became clear to him. Kind of like those stories about hackers who thinks that because they've been doing it for years and have the expensive technology that they can say, "I'm calling the police" in a deep web chatroom because they let their disgust get the better of them.

    • @epsbandy
      @epsbandy 4 роки тому +3

      @@MsCassidy23 Timelines are always tricky with comics, but I'm fairly sure his mother would die later. Seeing as there were several offhand mentions of his parents (not just his dad) going on long business trips.
      I agree that watching the Grayson's fall to their deaths would be jarring and could very well be a reason why he has a hard time dealing with loss. Although he was very young at the time, I dunno if he understood the situation.

    • @MsCassidy23
      @MsCassidy23 4 роки тому +2

      @@epsbandy I would have to look it up again (been awhile) but I think it stated that his mother had cancer during that time, but I have had trouble keeping track of which one went into the coma and which one died. Either way, dead or absent, it speaks volumes to Tim's attachment to Dick and Bruce. Both played the part of father and older brother Tim needed and wasn't getting. I will even go as far to say that, while Damian and Jason's interaction with Tim was almost always a bloody fight, it may have been a little good for him too, mostly as a life lesson of not always being the favorite in the family.
      Because, let's face it, Tim was the baby of the Batfamily before Damian showed up and needed everyone's attention, so it kind of gave him a taste of what it was to be Jason Todd.

  • @DarkKnightNation
    @DarkKnightNation 4 роки тому +26

    This was an excellent analysis of the character. He represents Bruce's intuition without being impacted by tragedy. Loved how you approached your thoughts and expressed them. Very well done.

  • @DigitalVanquish
    @DigitalVanquish 4 роки тому +56

    Tim is the epitome of Batman's hope: to inspire a better future for Gotham. He wants to fight injustice without having suffered great turmoil, simply because it is right. After the loss of Jason, Tim had it harder than any other Robin, and yet he still persisted. He is the best of Batman, and could therefore never be him. He can be better.

  • @Kusanagikaiser999
    @Kusanagikaiser999 4 роки тому +32

    Tim Drake is always been my favorite Robin, his intellect put him in the same league as Batman, his run as Red Robin is my favorite story arch with Tim and see Ra's calling him DETECTIVE was the most proud moment of that run....and that run kind proves that if DC have the balls one day to officially retire Bruce as Batman.....in my opinion Tim is the most qualify person to become BATMAN and his training supported this, yes he isnt the best fighter, but Batman have not become the world's most famous crime fighter because of his skills as a fighter, he is Batman because of his shard mind, and Tim match Bruce on that level perfectly and also have become an incredible fighter himself.

  • @markuhler2664
    @markuhler2664 4 роки тому +48

    All the Robins are fascinating (videos on all of them please!). Tim Drake, to me, was the one who healed & grounded Bruce. He, more than the others, gave to Bruce more (as much?) as he got.

  • @warpstar9421
    @warpstar9421 4 роки тому +20

    My favorite male superhero! That moment when he completely undid Ra’s Al Ghul’s plan by calling in his friends to help him out is one of my favorite moments in comics period.

  • @the_well-known_stranger2275
    @the_well-known_stranger2275 4 роки тому +20

    Tim Drake is my favourite character in fiction and I am so happy to see you doing a video on him! :)

  • @MsCassidy23
    @MsCassidy23 4 роки тому +33

    Tim always struck me as a mix of Sherlock Holmes and L from Death Note during his pre52 Red Robin days. Starting out almost too perfect in his first introduction, but the further his story went along, you start to see how flawed his actions and beliefs are when he's confronted with personal issues.

  • @Velocitist
    @Velocitist 4 роки тому +23

    Never realized that out of all the Robins he’s probably the one can most relate to.

    • @blakeimortal1084
      @blakeimortal1084 4 роки тому +8

      Yes because he already had a life before becoming Robin and it was fun to see him living his life but also having the responsibility of being Robin

    • @kenjinpiniteu
      @kenjinpiniteu 4 роки тому +11

      @@blakeimortal1084 More than that, he was a teenager. Not saying Dick or Jason or Damian aren't, but in their runs, their being a teenager was minimized in favor of them being vigilantes. With Tim's run, you see him acting like a teenager, having a tumultuous relationship with his dad, experience teenager things like high school social settings, teen pregnancies, school shootings, bullying. He also internalizes and goes through a lot of self-esteem issues, which is very rampant for people especially around that age. He's very relatable.

    • @blakeimortal1084
      @blakeimortal1084 4 роки тому +3

      @@kenjinpiniteu exactly that's why I love reading the chuck dixon run

    • @Awesome_Wow_
      @Awesome_Wow_ 4 роки тому +3

      @@kenjinpiniteu so true!!

    • @joestriker8518
      @joestriker8518 4 роки тому +2

      A genius prodigy and athlete from a wealthy background is more relatable than a street kid from a broken home?
      Interesting.

  • @jaredlasseter7364
    @jaredlasseter7364 4 роки тому +20

    Dick Grayson & Tim Drake will always be the Robin's for me

  • @urdilatedeyez
    @urdilatedeyez 4 роки тому +15

    Tim is my favorite robin due to the fact that I relate to him so much. I don’t have a tragic story I just want to do as much good as possible.

  • @Niner098
    @Niner098 4 роки тому +18

    Dude great Vid, Tim Drake is my favourite DC character and is extremely underrated.

  • @ArcTrooper269
    @ArcTrooper269 4 роки тому +17

    *_0:20_**_ NOW, HE IS THE BEST DETECTIVE, EVEN BRUCE & VIZ SAGE RECOGNIZED HIM BETTER THAN THEM, EVEN FOR HIS YOUNG AGE_*

  • @michaelmurray8134
    @michaelmurray8134 4 роки тому +57

    Once again Sage's Rain you proven that you truly know the hidden meaning behind characters and what makes them tick. And you're right all the Robins are definitely different especially Tim.
    Dick as Nightwing is a great team leader because he has better trust in people than Batman.
    Jason as Red Hood is a great Marksman and at times a better combatant then even Batman because he doesn't hold back and fights to win.
    Tim as Red Robin or even before then is a great strategist, Detective, and leader. He's the perfect mixture of Nightwing and Batman.
    And Damien in my eyes is the jack of all trades with leadership skills like Nightwing, brutality like Red Hood, and detective skills like Red Robin. And honestly he's more of a mixture of Batman and red hood considering Jason was also trained by the League of Assassins.

  • @Argos-xb8ek
    @Argos-xb8ek 4 роки тому +24

    My thing with Tim is he's the pragmatic Robin a more human batman in the making. Always looking at the bigger picture and greater good

  • @kyokuslaps2411
    @kyokuslaps2411 4 роки тому +12

    Bro Tim is my favorite Robin as Robin, and I hate that hes so underrated in the batman community, #JUSTICEFORTIM

  • @rhyswallace3590
    @rhyswallace3590 4 роки тому +127

    Tim Drake needs the big screen treatment I'm also not digging his current costume or name.

    • @MsCassidy23
      @MsCassidy23 4 роки тому +19

      As much as I hate that cowl, his first Red Robin suit was clean as hell.

    • @xanderg.1070
      @xanderg.1070 4 роки тому +15

      @MsCassidy23 I actually wouldn’t mind if they brought that costume back but make a few updates like replacing the cowl with the domino mask.

    • @mark1eyeball
      @mark1eyeball 3 роки тому +7

      I kinda like the cowl. He's the only Robin to wear one and I think Alex Ross created it

  • @taheahshahdaiah6422
    @taheahshahdaiah6422 4 роки тому +27

    Liked this video since Tim Drake was the first Robin I learned about in media even though they changed him a little in BTAS. Can't wait for a Damian Wayne video.

    • @Sun-cg6lv
      @Sun-cg6lv 4 роки тому +2

      The best Tim story that came out of the reboot was his detective comics run but that’s because he was literally treated like he was treated when he was Robin.

  • @Staypurple3
    @Staypurple3 4 роки тому +16

    Tim Drake is the best, hes been my childhood favorite and its awesome to see people want more of him! His red and black suit is my favorite for sure

  • @Apudurangdinya
    @Apudurangdinya 3 роки тому +5

    when you didn't have dead parents, whole planet blows up, tragic backstory, or super power with grand purpose
    the whole internet : that's illegal

  • @QuietVillain
    @QuietVillain 4 роки тому +8

    It’s like after return of the joker every writer is scared to write for Tim Drake

  • @itsaskullie
    @itsaskullie 3 роки тому +10

    Tim Drake, the hero everyone needed but doesn't deserve.

  • @vanceamania
    @vanceamania Рік тому +3

    Great review. Tim got me into comics as a kid and I agree with everything you had to say

    • @HELLO_KORO
      @HELLO_KORO Рік тому +3

      Red Robin and Teen Titans were my first comic's, Tim's depression in his late hero career helped me develop outta my emo phase

  • @cultist1762
    @cultist1762 3 роки тому +8

    Tim has always been my favorite Robin. He's always been to me the perfect son to Bruce a reflection of his best qualities.

  • @whatisthis771
    @whatisthis771 4 роки тому +11

    Tim has always been very underrated in my opinion

  • @artofcujo
    @artofcujo 4 роки тому +13

    You made me like Tim Drake more

  • @deekshabhalla9615
    @deekshabhalla9615 4 роки тому +20

    Please do one on Wally West. I believe he truly is the perfect Flash and a hero with a great arc and can you discuss the current problems with his character.

  • @lonemotheo1964
    @lonemotheo1964 4 роки тому +67

    Dick: the golden child the favorite
    Jason: the survivor
    Tim: the most like batman
    Damien: the youngest with the most to prove

  • @TStamp-lw4ku
    @TStamp-lw4ku 3 роки тому +5

    “Partner” has taken on a whole new meaning now

  • @thejuggernaut7744
    @thejuggernaut7744 3 роки тому +6

    Tim in my opinion will always be the robin because even when he went solo, even when no one saw batman to be alive, he didn't go away from the role of Robin, he was "red robin" he was and still a robin, just one the had a goal to find a person who he looked up too.

  • @deadaccount8054
    @deadaccount8054 4 роки тому +8

    Tim drake is definitely my favourite robin

  • @Evohunter7
    @Evohunter7 4 роки тому +6

    Tim Drake is the greatest Robin, and my favorite Batman partner.

  • @DarkEmoNinja
    @DarkEmoNinja 3 роки тому +4

    Tim was always my favorite idk why but ever since I was 11 I gravitated to him

  • @mav1884
    @mav1884 3 роки тому +7

    We need some spotlight on these underrated DC characters, Kyle Rayner, Tim Drake, there’s too many to list here

  • @OhNoTheFace
    @OhNoTheFace 2 роки тому +2

    Always love a kid who sees Batman and sees immediately through to the help he needs emotionally

  • @mudshrooze
    @mudshrooze 4 роки тому +6

    And yeah he is the only Robin that hasnt had a traumatic backstory that doesnt Make him any less engaging and it's nice he is like the new teen titans leaders in some comics

  • @jackhowe6
    @jackhowe6 Рік тому +5

    People heavily influenced by the video games and animated series over the books will find Tim generic - because those sources stripmined Tim Drake for elements to put into Greyson, Todd, etc.

  • @GrayGasana
    @GrayGasana 4 роки тому +6

    When you realise It's been raining for 3 years

  • @Frostynetwork
    @Frostynetwork 4 роки тому +6

    I genuinely wanna learn how to write and understand a character the same way you do

  • @jomeotrashgod1098
    @jomeotrashgod1098 3 роки тому +3

    This gave me a new appreciation for tim drake I see him as the greatest support

  • @Mailliwoediv
    @Mailliwoediv 3 роки тому +2

    Each of Sage's character dissections make me love the characters even more

  • @Glutmaniac
    @Glutmaniac 4 роки тому +4

    Honestly Tim Drake is my favorite Robin. His dynamics with the others from the Batfamily (except Damian - the two are fighting like there is no tomorrow) are so fun to watch. And as said in the video, he trust his friends and is a perfect partner. he acts out of conviction. He i basically THE Robin

  • @valeriavitale1290
    @valeriavitale1290 4 місяці тому +1

    It’s really sad what happened to him in recent years. The Red Robin run was amazing and helped me in a difficult moment in my life (during covid lockdown)

  • @jockeyfield1954
    @jockeyfield1954 3 роки тому +5

    "tim drake is different from the other robins"
    yeah, he's the only 1 that gets a stable relationship that lasts more than 2 issues

  • @meeknotweak3
    @meeknotweak3 4 роки тому +2

    My favorite robin of all time for precisely the reasons you touched upon. I read that amazing Red Robin run and felt like I was reading about Batman Jr and I loved it. Tim is a healthier, more emotionally well rounded Batman and probably just as smart if not smarter.

  • @LibertyBridgeProductions
    @LibertyBridgeProductions 4 роки тому +13

    IN LIVE ACTION I WANNA SEE.
    1.batman movie after the death of Jason where Tim saves his soul.
    2.Tim training and eventually getting the Robin mantle.
    3.A full on robin movie or series staring Tim based on his mini series or long comic runs cuz there’s some rlly good solo stories we need to see adapted.
    4.i wanna see Tim’s relationship with Stephanie Brown aka Spoiler.
    5.wanna see Tim feature in something with Jason Todd to show Todd dealing with him as his replacement.
    6.I wanna see Tim going down the red robin route and getting his own soul saved by his friends after finding it hard to except Bruce’s death.
    7.i wanna see Tim be the only one able to save Bruce’s soul one last time showing Tim’s belief to give up on Bruce wasn’t wrong like he did at the end of the return of Bruce Wayne story.
    8.I wanna see Tim surpass Bruce as the worlds greatest detective.

    • @treyarch8143
      @treyarch8143 3 роки тому +2

      Why don’t you make that live action yourself?

    • @LibertyBridgeProductions
      @LibertyBridgeProductions 3 роки тому +2

      @@treyarch8143 well I’d love to don’t have the qualifications yet and I doubt I’ll ever get the opportunity to do something like this

  • @yabbadabbindude
    @yabbadabbindude 4 роки тому +2

    I love each Robin in there own unique way. Tim Drake is definitely special and one of a kind

  • @kokujin8
    @kokujin8 4 роки тому +3

    This confirms it: obviously this man is a man with discerning tastes. Salute a real one when you see one!

  • @feliz2892
    @feliz2892 4 роки тому +99

    After Jason Todd the greatest failure, Tim Drake the perfect partner...Well Batman learns from his mistakes.

    • @johnnguyen5723
      @johnnguyen5723 4 роки тому +2

      Well his greatest failure was the Joker

    • @DylweedWasTaken11
      @DylweedWasTaken11 4 роки тому +1

      @@johnnguyen5723 How?

    • @leftcoaster67
      @leftcoaster67 4 роки тому +6

      Todd wasn't his failure. Todd was broken from the get go. Bruce did what he could to steer him to the right path. Sometimes despite all your good intentions, things still go bad. Tim Drake was the partner Batman needed. To keep him grounded.

    • @arunr4407
      @arunr4407 3 роки тому

      @@leftcoaster67 he is failure

  • @dantestubbs2407
    @dantestubbs2407 2 роки тому +4

    Tim is the Andrew Garfield of the Robin's

  • @WurvMan
    @WurvMan 4 роки тому +3

    This is why I’m glad it’s Tim as Robin and not Damian in Gotham Knights

  • @joeyperticone361
    @joeyperticone361 4 роки тому +3

    He was the robin I was first introduced to before I went full geek. I got introduced to Batman watching the new adventures of Batman and Robin.

  • @devinsdays1202
    @devinsdays1202 4 роки тому +4

    Tim went to batman when the night was darkest. THE BOY IS A MORMONT.

  • @CJan65
    @CJan65 4 роки тому +2

    The best youtuber on the whole platform. You're the only person I've got the bell on for every video. Thank you for the video, brother.

  • @themaccave08
    @themaccave08 4 роки тому +3

    Tim will always be my favorite Robin for his big heart (aside from Dick) that none of the other Robins could actually have and his detective skills are almost as good as Batman’s. He figured out Nightwing and Batman's identity by small clues. Tim plays are much larger role in the Batman Arkham games and a role in The New Batman Adventures. I love Tim Drake as Robin. Like Val Kilmer as Batman said: "I'm both Bruce Wayne and Batman, not because I have to be, but because I choose to be." That quote is as close as what Tim's reason of being Robin is.

  • @JoshMC2000
    @JoshMC2000 3 роки тому +3

    4:10 I present to you the best impression of batman ever pulled off by a robin

  • @alfieingrouille1528
    @alfieingrouille1528 4 роки тому +2

    my favourite vid you made was the jason todd one but i can tell this one might be even better keep up the good work

  • @jorgep19651
    @jorgep19651 4 роки тому +135

    Out of all the Robins he is the only one who balances Bruce. The rest just compete with him

    • @Awesome_Wow_
      @Awesome_Wow_ 4 роки тому +13

      I'm pretty sure Dick balanced him out too

    • @DSan-kl2yc
      @DSan-kl2yc 4 роки тому +3

      Bull. You never read Batman before him to think that.

    • @joestriker8518
      @joestriker8518 4 роки тому +5

      This is objectively wrong. From their opposite personalities to the fighting style, Dick balances Bruce the best.
      Dick and Damian are just as good if not better

    • @joestriker8518
      @joestriker8518 4 роки тому +1

      @Star battle 2099 no they do not. Just two smart detectives while Tim the sidekick listens to Batman

  • @whoareyou98
    @whoareyou98 4 роки тому +3

    Tim Drake is the robin I believe is worthy of the mantle of Batman.

  • @bclaude87
    @bclaude87 4 роки тому +3

    Tim Drake is my all time FAVORITE Robin

  • @chemsomnia
    @chemsomnia 3 роки тому +1

    Your videos are so good but your voice is so soothing I could fall asleep

  • @xanderg.1070
    @xanderg.1070 4 роки тому +3

    I really love his Red Robin series and that pre-New52 Red Robin costume and wish that brought that back in rebirth

  • @razeal1988
    @razeal1988 4 роки тому +1

    happy to see you back

  • @user-uo8mx3cv5k
    @user-uo8mx3cv5k 3 роки тому +3

    Behold, my favorite Robin

  • @tayojones9460
    @tayojones9460 4 роки тому +2

    Thank you for shining the spotlight on the best Robin. Tim does not get enough credit.

  • @dreww304
    @dreww304 4 роки тому +5

    Imagine a family sitcom with the Bat Family

    • @MsCassidy23
      @MsCassidy23 4 роки тому +4

      The kind that tries to stab each other with forks at the dinner table while Bruce mutters behind his paper, "Play nicely, boys"

  • @dawnfaulkner5815
    @dawnfaulkner5815 9 місяців тому +1

    Actually, Superboy was the only one who believed him; but Tim thought he was hallucinating, that Superboy was still dead.

  • @shaifs5072
    @shaifs5072 3 роки тому +5

    When I think of Robin, I think Tim. I think no one suited the role more than Tim. His transition into Red Robin was great. Dick has too much tension, mistrust, and rivalry towards Bruce. Jason had too much anger and hate, Tim was just pure Robin.

  • @ForJustice-bl6rs
    @ForJustice-bl6rs 4 роки тому +1

    Back in my childhood reading Batman comics, Tim Drake was the Robin I was introduced too and to this day he’s one of my favorite heroes along with Nightwing and Jason Todd.

  • @therunaway4258
    @therunaway4258 4 роки тому +4

    Bruce said with enough time and training he would surpass Him. His natural potential was insane

  • @r9kmori
    @r9kmori 4 роки тому +2

    I love your videos man ❤️